Polish young fighting for free judiciary system in Poland

>>134440424
The oldest institution is from USA

>>134441592
Constitution*

>>134440424
in eastern poland pis gets over 50% support so silesian dumbasses can suck dick if they dont like it

I'm fucking pissed at those assholes trying to destroy democracy here.
I've been there yesterday and I'll be there today and I'll be there for as long as it's needed to jail the bastards.

I remember /pol/ when PiS won the election daying that Poland uncucked itself. Guess what, we may be uncucked but we're about to put on a chastity belt indefinitely by destroying the separation of power.

ROW ROW

>>134443563
Prawda, coraz większe gówno się dzieje w tym kraju

>>134440424
Explain

Basically what they are doing, is destroying constitution to have whole country in hand
Now it literally means as much as shit on india streets

>>134443563
>>134445039
you idiots really believe this shit? Look who is standing on the other side. Ask yourself, why? I dont like PiS, but ffs, in this case I trust them much more that this "democratic oposition". Fuck them. Those bastard want to start a fucking majdan in Poland.

>Poland gets cucked by EU time and time again
>/pol/ still worships them

topkek, like pottery.

>>134440424

the current situation in Poland. get in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFwUkH8Rpi8&t=2830s

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>>134446695
>/pol/ still worships them
We don't

>>134446508
1. what the fuck is a majdan?
2. I have no clue what who these people are

>>134440424
>oldest
nigger anyone above 20 is older than their constitution. Their legislation was beyond fucked when the USSR collapsed, they had to draft a new one up during the 90s.

>>134440424
>oldest constitution
That would be the American constitution, Poland has only existed since the end of WW2 when we forced the Russians to not annex them

>>134440424
>inb4 (((gubberment violent crackdowns and shooting innocent protesters))))

>>134440424
Can someone explain me what led to this mess?
This is the only thing I know about pol /pol/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TMKRbViufg

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>>134446873
>what the fuck is a majdan?

>>134440424
>oldest constitution in the world
Nice meme. You are like wewuzing khokhols, they claim the same bullshit.

>>134446508
Wells actualy i trust them more too so... yea

>>134440424
>2017
>not supporting PiS
go neck yourself

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>>134446873
>what the fuck is a majdan?
The absolute state of /pol/ today.

>>134440424
Sooo many w's in that sentence...I don't know how you guys do it. It's like an entire language made out of consonants.

>W przedwnyc bwd byc w wojcjawkcrz dzedy

In germany the highest court gets elected by the government
In France the highest court gets elected by the government
In the USA the highest court gets elected by the government

>>134446873
Maiden. Like in Ukraine.

>>134447497
this

>>134446873
Judiciary system is the last element of power that wasn't cleaned from communism. In normal countries like USA president elects high judges who are the best of the best. Currently in Poland judges elect themselves so it became some sort of cast because they elect their people. Current government changed it so the parlament chooses the judge. People who protest it are libcucks like 'Never Trump'. Those judges aren't even people with high morality so there is no reason to defend them. They served previous cuck-government.

PiS is not really my party but people who say we don't need reforms in judicary system are morons. Most of those people don't understand and can't explain against what they protest

>>134446508
>>134447288
It's a sad day when you can dismantle your constitution and get away with it because at least you're not trying to genocide your own people.

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JAROSŁAW AND BEATA TAKE MY ENERGY HHJNNNGGGHHHHHH

PiS are the good guys. Sage liberal disinfo shills

>>134447676
See now this guy is making some sense.

Never listen to the (((politically active youth)))

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>>134446873
>1. what the fuck is a majdan?
Bunch of bydlo sperging out.

>>134447497

This hipocrisy from germany

>>134447719
Constitution is not some infallible law given by the gods themselves. It's only as valuable as much it serves the country.

>>134448122
constituion serve country, just not our country

>>134446852
that image is stupid as shit
Soviet Union occupied Poland
EU money are recompensation for free access to our market

>>134446508
Because Kaczynski is sic person that send his brother for deaf in Smolensk 2010
Why they wherent in Smolnensk in 2009 and 2008 cos there was no election this years

>>134448501
drop the flag PO propagandist

>>134448501
>for deaf
co ty odjebałes xDD

>>134448600
I think that this is irony. Or at least I hope so. You never can be sure here.

>>134440424
>oldest constitution
It's bearly 20 years old and this country is in a dire need for a new one

>>134448501
Lech Kaczynski was responsible for his own death when the plane crashed in Smolensk. The pilots were too afraid of his temper and that they could lose their jobs if they redirected the plane against his will to a different airport due to the bad weather condition that day.

>>134448929
*barely

>>134440424
Love that swedish media is panicking about this while weve had the same system since 1789

>>134440424
Can't say I'm really upset that Poland is adopting the US system for judiciary appointments.

Pretty insulting that Tusk/Juncker/Merkel are insulting the US system by using Poland as a proxy. I guess they're pretty mad that Poland isn't trashing relations with the only ally who will actually defend them from Russia.

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>>134449237
>Tusk
he wanted to have a talk with Duda, but Duda refused
good for him!

>>134447184
Polish cunstitution is oldest in Europe, second oldest in the World. But I'd never expect ukrainian subhuman chochol to know history.

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>>134448374
Still poles are the niggers of Europe. Subhuman degenerates who don't do anything sitting around shitting and demanding gibsmedat like a petulant child.

>>134449544
But it's not the same one. The current constitution was adopted in 1997 and it's a post-communist one.

>>134447497
But when Poland does it (replacing the "judges choose judges" in the process) it's suddenly undemocratic.

>>134449544
Maybe it is, by some retarded polish metric. And I'm not a khokhol.
But keep wewuzing.

>>134449654
shh, 52% white

>>134449509
Duda seems pretty based. I can't stand Tusk. He's just a self-righteous rabblerouser. Reminds me of Cicero, if Cicero was a terrible public speaker.

>>134440424
>young

60% of Polish youth supports PiS

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>>134449971
>self-righteous rabblerouser
if only
he works for merkel, it is apparent

>>134449780
that dude is typical KOD member. Don't waste time on him

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>1791
>Oldest
No

>>134443563
>Uncuckd
>Woman holds second highest office in the nation
No

>>134441592
>>134441698
*oldest continuously in effect constitution
Still, Poland best ally

>>134450007

>60% of Polish youth supports PiS

Can you please state your sources Czech-porn republic

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>>134449654
>hates every ethnostate except Israel
gee I wonder who can be behind that post

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>>134446695
What's the matter Michael?
Upset that anglophilia doesn't exist anymore?

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>>134449939
Whiter than your pathetic coalburning country

POLSKA, JA

>>134450385
>Whiter than your pathetic coalburning country
now now, let be serious Bob.

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>>134450287
But Poland was basically Israel 200 years ago. Hosting so many Jews it was practically proto-Israel

>>134450385
Poland is a white ethnostate. You are the 52%.

>>134450590
they all left to USA
why do you think you have so many shekels?

So apparently they want to not only select the judges directly (as opposed to through some elaborate system that ensures no single government can replace the entire judicative) they also want to remove all the judges (which goes against the constitution). That's not exactly a dictatorship already, but it sure smells mighty fishy.

>>134449107
So... you have a great judiciary system, huh?

>>134451115
>they also want to remove all the judges (which goes against the constitution)
wrong and wrong

>>134451115
You haven't read much about this, have you?

FYI, "not exactly" means not quite the same. It doesn't mean the opposite of exact.

>>134451157
Well yeah. The supreme court usually does sane rulings. However things seldom go there as they primarily do rulings on rare cases where the lower courts arent sure what to do.

The judges only sit for one year at a time however which is retarded.

>>134451181
Well will you finally post a proper source explaining this thing? Also what's your explanation for the EU threatening disciplinary action (inb4 everyone hates poland).

>>134440424
You want that government owns court, you aren't fighting for court, you are fighting for government. Poland is a poor man's version of Communism pretending to be anti-Communism. Only difference is that people will have no saying what government does compare to real Socialism.

>there are people right now on /pol/ that believe all muh constitution shit when it comes from leftists and the news

>>134451459
>real Socialism
Haha.

>>134451438
>EU threatening disciplinary action (inb4 everyone hates poland).
but it is the truth, everybody except USA and Hungary hates Poland
in this case EU hates Poland because we not voted for their party

>>134450590
It's a pity they left or got holocausted, we'd be a superpower by now thanks to them.

>>134451578
We don't hate Poland. It is only a matter of time before we move towards Intermarium.

>>134451741
you say that now, but when I visited golden sands hooker stole my phone

>>134440424
Im with Korwin.

>>134451741
I am afraid this idea will fail. We can say that PiS is the most pro-intermarium party which has a chance to rule. If current Foreign Affairs minister Waszczykowski is the best they've got, I see dark clouds

>>134451557
Yeah real Socialism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defense_(Yugoslavia)

Poor man's version of Communism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defence_Force_(Poland)
>Founded January 1, 2017

What's the difference? Difference is that Yugoslavia payed me to protect the borders, had organization and segregated races. Poland has volunteers who don't segregate races and just watch for illegal migrants.

>>134451861
>Im with Korwin.
>Korwin wants to kill them all
>Russia is pro killing polish ruling class
who could've guessed

>>134451859
>hooker stole my phone
She wanted your number badly. She simply did not think that one through.

>>134452066
I keked a little
otherwise had a great time, except when I had to drive through Rumunia
very very dirty, trash everywhere, dillapitated huts in the mountains

>>134447676
This guy explained really accurately what this protests are all about. Those demonstrators are nothing more than pigs squealing, because finally someone tries to destroy this cliques of corrupted judges established during communism. The other portion of these scumbags are just useful idiots, that hate current government, and they need any reason (even most retarded and illogical) to protest. they scream about democracy dying and tyrrany being established now, while they can protest legally, and no actions are taken against them by police etc. It's the same situation, as in USA with Trump. The establishment is fighting for its corrupted system using idiots and traitors against legally elected government, that tries to destroy them. I do not support PiS, they are rather far from what i would like as ruling power, but they did 100 times for country in 2 years, than previous government full of criminals and shady types during 8 years of being in charge.

>>134440424
Sweden needs to invade and take over Poland again. That way Poland can become a new caliphate.

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>>134452230
you do that, and your kids will speak Polish

>>134440424
>young fighting for free judiciary system
literally payed shills, old commies and their families
They know once corrupted caste of judges is purged they are fucked cause Poland will closed to a normal country.

>>134451438
You haven't read anything past the headlines, but you're accusing Poland of turning into a dictatorship?

Thank god you don't read the Daily Stormer, Deutschbro.

>>134452224
You are lying again Christian.
Lets see the truth:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/18/polish-government-brings-forward-plans-to-assert-control-over-judges
>When Małgorzata Gersdorf, the president of the supreme court

http://www.heraldcourier.com/news/world/poland-s-top-politician-says-judiciary-needs-radical-steps/article_abc338ae-9f90-5321-8e7b-2a7f973867b8.html
>The head of the Supreme Court, Malgorzata Gersdorf, who was member of the anti-communist Solidarity movement in the 1980s

FINANCING FIRST FREE MARKET IN SOVIET UNION:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros
>From 1979, as an advocate of 'open societies', Soros financially supported dissidents including Poland's Solidarity movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_(Polish_trade_union)
>first trade union in a Warsaw Pact country that was not controlled by a communist party.
>anti-Soviet social movement ranging from people associated with the Catholic Church
>CIA covert support
>In Sollicitudo rei socialis, a major document of Catholic Social Teaching, Pope John Paul II identifies the concept of solidarity with the poor and marginalized as a constitutive element of the Gospel and human participation in the common good.

Soros founded the first anti-Communist movement, he supported your judges to destroy Communism and those same judges he today still supports, while you want to eliminate them to rule supreme.

>>134452661


>https://theguardian com/world/2017/jul/18/polish-government-brings-forward-plans-to-assert-control-over-judges
https://archive.is/vjdOg

>>134447676
>>134452224
Be careful though, because it's enough for one wrong party to get to power once.
We got fucked by that and now the judges in our highest court are all political appointees that are fucking us over and saying shit that are helping the ex-commies that were in power too many times.

>>134443563
>(((democracy)))

why do you want to go full sweden?

>>134452702
thank you archivist

>>134450282
http://m.telewizjarepublika.pl/najnowszy-sondaz-mlodzi-glosuja-na-pis,51167.html

>>134452523
Pls do explain if you know so much more. Western news articles are basically "muh independent courts" and then a whole bunch of people explaining how very bad it is.

>>134452967
To understand the actions of the Polak you have to get inside the skull of a polak. Poles worship americas so monkey see monkey do

>>134451899
>Poland has volunteers who don't segregate races
>segregate races
wtf are you talking about? 99% of Polish population are native Europeans. 97% are ethnic Poles. What fucking "races" do you want them to segregate?

>>134448501
>broken English
>Kaczyński killed Kaczyński
What is Wałęsa doing on /pol/?

>>134449544
Who cares m8, it's just a stupid piece of paper. It didn't help in any way.

>>134446508
>Those bastard want to start a fucking majdan in Poland.
Tread carefully, Polebros. this assessment is where the evidence is taking my mind as well.
Tread very carefully, try to determine their goals, and work to ensure the exact opposite outcome regardless of any _short_term_ losses you may incur (never give away the farm on a gambit like this, of course.)

>>134453186
Read your own law about the supreme court, it's a copy of it.

>>134453186
That is a strong weakness that we don't have our news site in English like Russia has Russia Today. Westerners literally translate german articles into English

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>>134453298
>Wałęsa
he told today that Duda is not needed
>Polska potrzebuje chłopa, a nie...
Polsat, around 18:00 or something, I was changing channels
>>134453211
>Poles worship americas
no we don't, we worship Jesus

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>>134440424
Fuck Poland I hope they suffer they are globalists

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>>134452364
You were easily defeated in the 16th century. It would be even easier today, even with our muslim and transexual army.

>>134443563
Slav Spring when? does McCain have a successor yet?

>>134449544
Dude are you fucking retarded? We have a new constitution, if we still had the old constitution we would be a monarchy now.

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>>134453777
>easily defeated
>swedes retreated in the end
heh, eat shit protestant scum
also, sweden, how are rapes going
>>134453512
they tried doing it already but people, as in humans inhabiting Poland do not give a shit about them and do not want them to rule again, and it pisses them and international jewry immensely

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>>134446852
your comic relies on a lie to makes it central point. how many of your other positions are based on lies?
(hint: you've been brainwashed. it's why your ideas aren't making sense, why the puzzle won't fit together for you--your "thoughts" are only loosely based on reality.)
They're not Syrians. Research the issue and you'll find the key to your own freedom again.

>>134453270
So what? We had a gypsy town of 200 people who were segregated, had own school and all, never mixed with other people.

>>134454082
that's because not even a nigger would marry a gypsy

>>134453901
So what are youth protesting exactly then? I dont understand it.

>>134454082
we have no need for that, since gypsies don't go to school.

>>134454368
it's not youth and they are protesting changes in Supreme Court and council that elects judges.

>>134454368
They are libcucks like 'Never Trump'. Also it is summer and uni bydlo came back. Most of them probably go there for fun to take part in mess

>>134453524
The german federal court judges are decided upon by an extra assembly formed half each by parliament electives and the state ministers of justice, also they're elected for life. How this is equivalent to direct election by the parliament (together with replacement of apparently not all, but a good chunk of the judges...)?

>>134453706
This. Fuck poo-land

>>134452400
>https://theguardian com/world/2017/jul/18/polish-government-brings-forward-plans-to-assert-control-over-judges
check one more time cos You are blind watching national media

>>134440424
>Polish young paid to protest against judges who have the interests of foreign parties at heart from being fired

Its not like you have to pay them much, lower costs of living etc

>>134454695
>the guardian
That's CNN level of Fake News. Bullshit made up narrative and speculation with no basis.

>>134454377
This is why we called it special school. If you are bad in school they would send you to that special school and you had to sit with gypsies.

>>134454535
What changes? Recent changes? If people are protesting it must mean your democracy is failing.

>>134443563
>democracy
doesn't exist. it's a terrible system of government anyways.

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>>134453777
>You were easily defeated in the 16th century
Cool story bro. What else? "Sweden is based" or something like that?

>>134440424
The current Constitution of Poland was adopted on 2 April 1997


But I know somePolish city people that think this is a big deal, and don't want to become a freedom less country.

>>134443563
Stfu you piece of shit polak and support anything that will make POLAND a superpower in your region

This changes in Poland happened in holidays cos many people is just chilling on the beach now. So they can't refused.

PiS wants parliament to choose supreme court judges.
How are the judges currently selected?

>>134454674
You need to chill. Just pop a few pills, wash it down with Pepsi, get a bite of your burger and relax.

>>134454646
Supreme Court will not be directly elected by parliament.
Early project assumed that it would be handpicked by minister of justice, but now it's ammended, so it will be elected by "extra assembly" formed by judges elected to this position by 3/5 majority in parliament.
>>134454997
It's really only a small group of people.

>>134455355
they elect themselves.

I think the government threw a dissemination at the protests saying "oh that's nice, healthy to have a walk"

Its almost encouraging kids to go USA bike lock violence retarded.

>>134454997
The new government weaseled itself into three more seats on the constitutional tribunal. This was after the previous government tried the same with two other seats. The court decided it wouldn't have it, the government told them to shut up and now nobody knows wether the tribunals ruling are legitimate or not.

>>134454368
They are #notMyGovernment morons

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>>134454082
>We had a gypsy town of 200 people
You see. There is your problem.

Who fucking cares? Poland is in the EU and therefore no important decisions are made in Poland. The same goes for the rest of that gay little union.

>>134455443
So parliament will vote into place councillors who will in turn pick the supreme court judges?

>>134441744
>muh dik

>>134455703
If you get a chance, can you tell those fuckers to move out to canada?

>>134455577
Oh, you mean that ruling that was unconstittutional since it broke article 197?

>>134455577
Sounds like a case of corrupt judges to me.

>>134454646
You are talking about the earlier proposition right now it is exactly what you wrote except being elected for life part.

>>134440424

(((free judiciary)))

Flush the commies and confirm new ones. Judicial activists will keep shitting on everything until they break the governments and then say see capitalism doesn't work go communism.

>>134455817
correct and other judges too.
Supreme Court picks must be aproved by minister of Justice.

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>>134440424
He's out there, somewhere, looking for law and order. Isn't he, /pol/en?

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>>134453777

>>134456157
*must also be aproved by minister of Justice.

>>134449971
Duda is everyone's bitch. He's laughing stock of Polish politics, no one takes him seriously and he has no power. He exist only to sign bills Kaczyński tells him to. He's the most cucked man in whole Poland.

>>134456305
Nope. It got changed and now president will be the one to approve judges.

>>134456481
He switched sides now. I think he will want to build his own party with soft people from PiS like Gowin

>>134456481
Oh fuck off KOD shill, you fuckers are so detached from reality that it hurts.

>>134456581
my bad.

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>>134452661
>Soros founded the first anti-Communist movement
hahaha so what, he did the same thing in Romania and what came after was the same fucking thing but with a dead dictator, all he people from the past administration turned on some of the others and the most corrupt shit eating ones passed on to form a new "democratic socialist party" that fucked up the country and destroyed all it's infrastructure and economy for 10 more years, and they're not even gone to this day, so congrats Poland.

>>134456481
>how the fuck people coming from one party agree on political issues?

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>>134446852
Fixed that for you

>>134456481
>Duda is everyone's bitch
Sounds like a proper representation of Poland KEK

>>134440424
from what I know of Poland judiciary system this is a good move, it needed reform for a long time. As I understand in Poland judges could be elected (?) only by other judges, parlament, goverment had no say in this, also alot of judges were old commies from communist times. The judiciary needs purging thats for sure

>>134457101
Poland needs to rid itself of its monarchy if they want to make progress. Lol at government electing government.

>>134455221
Fuck you, Sweden is based af. Inshallah I swear on my my mother and goat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9BjL7TELNM

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>>134440424
Meh. Same shit happened here in 2010, 2013 and this year too. Libshits in Judapest went out to protest, by taking selfies with the police. Nobody cared, so they went home crying, to ask help from their parents to blow their snotty nose.
In 2006, when the Right went out to the streets, they even stole a T-34 tank, and besieged the Hungarian Television's headquarters.

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>autistic commie screeching
your time has come to an end, day of the rope soon

>>134457243
what monarchy are you talking about?

>Lol at government electing government.
I guess its ok as long as its right wing government electing right wing government that protect and represent white Polish people and white culture.

>>134441592
fucking retard. Where do you think your constitution came from?
And the OP.
Fucking disgraceful ignorance.
Who the fuck do you think fought and died for fucking generations to protect the rights of the common man to be free from tyrannical rulers?
Our constitution (the inalienable rights and customs of the people) has been enshrined in law since alfred the great, and existed before history was recorded.
In 1649 we cut the kings head off after 500 years of rebellion because he thought he was god and we thought we were free men.
1649. Where do you think the american settlers got their ideas from?
Keep your phoney histories to yourself, we've been dying for your "modern" sense of freedom since before we could write.

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I need a rundown

A quick question for poles:
are the younger generations including millennials protesting this or are the older generations more butthurt about this? because by your guy's descriptions ot it being a purge of ex-commie judges i would expect the older folk to be madder and some progressive millennials included

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Don't you dumbfucks understand that it's MORE IMPORTANT to protect the racial and cultural integrity of Europe through these crucial times we are living in, than preserving some bullshit "democracy" right now????

When Western civilization is restored we can go back to more democratic and libertarian style. Right now I don't give a shit, we just need to stamp out degeneracy until we're out of the darkness again.

>>134457368
sad mate. Thats why Hungarian gov still promote our polish gov moves :(((

>>134457618
younger generation is increasingly right-wing. Currently young people attend demonstration because it is summer time and they have no uni/school. Mostly old people protest

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I unironically bought a Siewiernoye Igristroye today to celebrate.
Protests failed, (((oposition)) was unable to ignite violence and new law will pass easily at this point.
We won, Left may fuck themselfs.

>>134457787
some young people attend*

>>134457618
>i would expect the older folk to be madder and some progressive millennials included
That's mostly right.

>>134457474
As i understand it the parliament is drenched into nepotism, its basically a monarchy with a puppet president. Allowing the people to elect government that elects parliament is a much better system.

>>134449237
>Trump defendig Poland from Putin

Nigga wut

>>134457595
Millennial cucks bitching on the streets, because (((muh democracy))) is "threatened". Nothing to see here, they will be home by the time their mommy has finished dinner.

NOOOOOOOOO
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
YOU HAVE TO BE TOLERANT POLAND STOP THIS NOW!

>>134457911
Thank you o wise Hungarian.

>>134452661
Of course an EU beurocrat supported the fall of the US, he had a lot of money to make there. Dudes still liberal as fuck, stop pretending like he gives a shit about people.

>>134457791
>drinking that ruskie piss
What is wrong with you?

>>134457896
At this point in time its a minor issue, changing the constitution like that would take another 10 years of deliberations by various (((institutions))) and in the end it would come out worse than it was. As long as its right wing and protecting white Poles and white culture its ok.

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Vote for razem

wait, so poland is literally chimping out?
i want a live stream, lets see these riots

>>134458243
Slavic Pride or unenployment. One of two is true.

>>134457911
So true.

Real story:
> Anon, you've been protesting yesterday, are you going today?
> Nope, I've just opened a second beer, and it's cold today anyway. I will sit this one out.

>>134458400
Alright its understandable. You will have issues like we do when our supreme court has been infiltrated and gay rights or minority immigration can hit Poland. Democracy is not always a good system especially in a connected world so. Giving the people a further vote inside the system but not able to change the system is a great setup. Protesters want to make Poland another Marxist infiltrated state because people are stupid and they buy into that shit. Well id say let them stamp their feet poland belongs to the pols.

>get the same judge selection as half the world
>wtf antidemocratic bastards, destroy poland NOW

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>>134457791
I don't think polish people chimp out like other cultures, every time someone suggests in history it's bloodily and violently suppressed

I'm a polak living in the UK for the past 10 years and was considering moving back to Poland if the UK gets fucked by Brexit. With this shit happening I'm not so sure anymore

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>>134457510
>bill of rights is the same thing as a constitution
>MUH BRITAIN xdd

>>134460279
>fucked by Brexit
You are typical passive pollack. Instead of thinking how to make country better, you just want to vegetate.

You left from your homeland already and I believe no british patriot will care if you leave again. Eat shit

>>134446508
>I trust them
Zjebales sprawe debilu

>>134460261
Normal people chimp out when they see then can accomplish anything. Polish are different. If somebody stronger shits too long on their heads, they are just like "fuck it, lets chimp out and at least we will take down few of them with us."

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That's 3'rd day of protest in Lodz

>>134457510
Why so toxic man

>>134460279
I'm sorry but what's stopping you?

>>134457510
Whoa, with that logic you can make up examples from literally everything. So, with you style:
You piece of shit, in fact it was inspired by 1573 Warsaw Confederation. Oh who am I kidding, by 13thC Sandomierz constitution! jk, it was in fact >insert example out of your ass.

>>134460876
Who is protesting what?

>>134460876
Look at all these faggots with their phones out, taking pictures or whatever.

They're doing it only to brag on jewbook later on
>LOOK AT ME IM DEFENDING DEMOCRACY

>>134440424
Lol... "our" constitution is 20 years old.
OUR real constitution started with words "national religion of commonwealth is and will be roman catholic religion"
it also included king and rights for aristocracy.
Constitution we have now is a shity multicultural commie constitution.

>>134460556
It wasn't my choice to move to the UK, it was my parents choice. I'm not stereotypical janitor polak living off benefits, I have an actual job in IT and contribute to the country. However, some things are inevitable and it's natural for me to want to have a back up option in case things go wrong here.

>>134461150
What's stopping me from what? Moving back to Poland? Nothing, it's just a matter of making the choice of which country will be better to live in post-Brexit. I have dual citizenship so I can flexibly choose to live within the EU or not.

>>134461443
You act as if Poland is becoming North Korea or Venezuela with these changes

>>134461156
lol you dummmy. constitutions were inspired by Chamurappi code

>>134461619
look now krtek, obviously the first constitution was the WUZ constitution of the KANG nation.

>>134461554
No. As I said, it's just a matter of which country is better to live in compared to each other in a post-Brexit EU. Though I do admit I'm opposed to the things happening in Poland right now.

>>134460398
no dickhead. A constitution is a declaration of inalienable rights. Yours was directly lifted from the bill of rights, magna carta and several other documents.
ALL of those documents were merely legal acknowledgements of the rights that our men (and yours faggot) fought and died to ensure were never lost.
You fundamentally misunderstand the concept of law. You still seem to think it is things that your rulers gave to you. It's not. it comes from a time when our rulers only ruled over a few hundred men at a time and needed them to fight against their neighbouring tribes, so they HAD to respect their rights, they all had swords. The very reason laws existed was to keep the rights of men inviolable and to ensure justice and therefore peace amongst men.
Our rulers were our rulers because they were good at ruling, not because they were gods. They did not have the right to take rights from anyone else, they were just leaders.
That's where your constitution comes from, that sense of freedom.
We lost this in 1066 and regained it in 1642.
Your constitution was directly lifted from the ideas of those men in 1642. There is no argument to this, only your ignorance.
The jamestown settlers were 1609. Where do you think the notion that they were free men came from, despite the fact they were English?
So all the early settlers came from England, where they had just killed the king, and you think the idea of the sovereignty of the people rather than the king came from america?
You then wrote the french declaration of rights and it passed to the rest of europe in 1848.
But the only reason you ever had that sense of indivdualism is because your founders were english. Or british, as the welsh and the scots and the irish have ALSO fought to be free men since before history, only they were mainly fighting against us...

>>134457791

But its increasing, create videos to redpill those idiots

>>134446738
Thank you.

>>134446852

>justifying the EU migrant policy

You can bite the hand that feeds when it later tries to feed you garbage.

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>>134461397
Don't worry anon, the same shit happens here every year. Literally nothing, only (((democrats))) whining on the streets. You better get used to the libshit screeching.

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/r/Europe is butthurt it seems

>>134440424
This Constitution is form 97 and it's garbage. Full support for out government.

>>134440424
fake news

>>134445039
Kod and nowoczesna is gówno

>>134440424
>Polish Young

Of course it's the youth isn't? Every time it's the youth. The youth are the epitome of useful idiots. Like no offense, but when it comes down to it, the young are the most stupid and most easily manipulated of any group. Always so easily incited towards violence.

>>134463456
Youth govern with emotion not logic. The voting age really should be 25 and up so we wont have to deal with kids who learned their first lesson in college about sharing and want to introduce it to the government.

>>134440424
>start mass arrests
>wait for "I'm from another country" cries.
>open fire on them under pretense of invasion
>paint street red in commemoration

>>134460261
that guy on the left with the pistol looks like he knows he has forgotten something, but can't remember what it was

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>>134441592
Not to get too Autistic here, but if you extend the logic of a constitution being a document that states the supreme law of the land, which are upheld in courts and civic meetings. Then the true first constitution would be The Twelve Tables of Rome.

>defend Constitution
>constitution written by kikes in communist People Republic of Poland
>defend Democracy
>do every think to stop democratically elected government
>defended Judicial System separation of power
>judges are special privilege class of communists and leftists kikes
K

>>134465261
Youth. The most useful idiots.

>>134440424

next time vote you butthurt leftists cucks
PiS won elections and as long as they're in power we won't get enriched by syrian "refugees"
Jaro is based

>>134447450
best part about it is, that when you try to learn the darn thing, you realize that most of those a magically pronounced too.

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>>134440424
>Polish young fighting
I don't see a single young person in neither of those 2 photos

>>134464029
In polish case it is oposite of sorts. Right concentarted on reclaiming education and culture, so youth in Poland is generally uncucked and right-leaning. 70% of people younger than 30 voted Right, more than 60% are for total ban of abortion. In Poland people between 30 and 55 are most left-leaning and liberal.

>>134465261
So now we'll have commie (((PiS))) with gibs for everyone.

You're mentally ill and need to be medicated, sorry Anon.

>>134463370
True

>>134458504
>Literally marxist SJWs funded by Soros.

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HAHAHAHHAHAHA O KURWA

>>134468284

Tell me what this means

Who cares? Even your opposition is centre-right

>>134468186
They even refuse to elect their leader, it's literally nigger tier party. If you are white you create hierachy, some order not bamboo tribe council.

>>134447676
>Judiciary system is the last element of power that wasn't cleaned from communism. In normal countries like USA president elects high judges who are the best of the best. Currently in Poland judges elect themselves so it became some sort of cast because they elect their people. Current government changed it so the parlament chooses the judge. People who protest it are libcucks like 'Never Trump'. Those judges aren't even people with high morality so there is no reason to defend them. They served previous cuck-government.
/thread

>>134463456
Polish Young People
Not 60years old grandpas

>>134468284
Even National TV PiS hav 37%
Hahaha

>>134468284
God bless
Remember, antipis protesters are always paid protesters. There is nothing to worry about.

>>134468439
that PiS is winning

>>134457510
You're the only one spouting phony histories. You Anglo scum executed your king only to replace him with someone who was king in all but name and who was so terrible that when he died you begged the old king's son whose father you decapitated to come back but you spurged out so hard against his brother that you begged a couple of Dutch to cuck you and called it a revolution.

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>>134454695
>theguardian

>>134440424
It isn't just youth. Everybody is protesting.

>>134454997
Minister of justice is also attorney general or whatever it's called in English and now he will also decide who's in supreme court. He can also tell judges what should be the verdict on each case and if they don't agree he can remove them. Basically whole judiciary will be decided only by currently reigning party, effectively making us no longer be a democracy. They are also removing everybody in current supreme court and will elect a new one. They don't care about term of office, they just make a new resolution whenever they feel like it and remove people from their office, replacing them with their supporters. The reigning party (PiS) keeps ignoring the constitution and just make resolutions that directly contradict our constitution claiming "not really" or "we're doing it for the people, constitution was bad". This way they can illegally push whatever resolution they want. They just pretend no law was broken and when people quote various articles that were broken they simply ignore it.
It's honestly retarded but the person currently ruling the Poland is mentally ill. It's impossible to reason with him.

Don't listen to this retarded shill paid by PiS:
>>134455443
>It's really only a small group of people.
In reality there are hundreds of thousands of people. Every single city is full of protesting people of all ages. Big cities (>0.5m) have at least 50 000 gatherings, some probably over 100 000. Even smaller cities with like 50 000 people total had hundreds or thousands gathering in the streets.

>>134456305
>>134456581
Minister of justice is the one who selects them. President can only say yes or no. However he always agrees to anything by PiS so it's a moot point.

Our president is such a disgrace that all the professors who taught him in the university are ashamed of him because his actions have nothing to do with abiding law.

>>134468603
This.

>>134469236
It's the other way around.

>>134461397
That's not phones. That's candles you moron

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I'm with Duda, which side is he on?

>>134447719
people > constitution

>>134440424
HAHAHAH
fake news

>>134447497
Around krauts never relax

>>134447676
/thread

>>134440424
Why are there so many volksdeutsch traitors in this thread? Gee I wonder (((who))) is behind all this?

>>134449544
Petru, is that you?

>>134447676
>Those judges aren't even people with high morality so there is no reason to defend them.
You don't even know a single one of them. Everything you say are baseless accusations.

>Current government changed it so the parlament chooses the judge.
So now they will become a cast of current government. Awesome. In the past they were selected by judges so by people who actually know something about law.

>PiS is not really my party but people who say we don't need reforms in judicary system are morons.
Nobody is saying that you strawmanning retard.
Anyway, PiS' reforms won't fix a single one of judiciary problems. The only thing that will change is that they will replace educated judges with "their" people who will be 100% faithful to reigning party. You might complain about current judges but what is coming is 100% guaranteed to be infinitely worse. There will be absolutely no justice now. It will be "only PiS is right and anybody who disagrees goes to jail".

>Most of those people don't understand and can't explain against what they protest
They are protesting against PiS who's taking over every single piece of power in the country. We're on the path for whole country to be ruled by a single person, a dictatorship. That isn't good.


>>134452224
>Those demonstrators are nothing more than pigs squealing, because finally someone tries to destroy this cliques of corrupted judges established during communism.
You aren't making any fucking sense, cretin. What kind of business would they have in doing that? None. People are protesting because now all judges will be subordinates of PiS alone.

>>134452704
That's exactly what's happening right now. PiS is just calling everybody they dislike "communists" and braindead idiots like some of the guys in this thread somehow believe it. PiS never provides any arguments for their accusations but they keep slandering everybody around. In reality they just want more power.

Expected PiS shills. Wasn't disappointed.

>>134461262
All kinds of people are protesting against illegal takeover of judiciary system by ruling party. They are removing everybody from supreme court (who cares about terms of office, right?) and replace them with their people.

>(((free judiciary system)))
Euphemism for reinstating commies? Yeah, we have that here. Doesn't work for the last 72 years.

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>>134471539
Brussels are out in full force it seems

i wonder why...

>>134447497
The difference is, our government pays absolutely no mind to qualifications and only chooses based on who's faithful to them.
They don't allow any discussions/debates in parliament. They mention a resolution and immediately vote for it without allowing deputies to read what they'll vote on. Every single correction proposed by opposition gets rejected for the sake of it. The votings are always instantaneous and quite often late at night. Democracy in Poland is a fiction. There's one ruling party who does whatever. When they want to do something that contradicts constitution they simply go with it and don't care if specific type of resolution requires 66% of votes. And so on, and so on.

>>134472059
>The difference is, our government pays absolutely no mind to qualifications and only chooses based on who's faithful to them.
How would you know this? They aren't allowed to elect them yet.

>>134470175
cry harder faggot

>>134465782
We wouldn't get enriched by repfugeees anyway you retard because our social support sucks and they would never stay in our country. PiS has absolutely nothing to do with it.

>>134469311
you know nothing. In 1066 we were conquered in a sneak attack by the normans which annihilated the nobles of england. William the conqueror knew that he couldn't rule by force as he only had 12,000 men, so in his coronation oath he swore to abide by the laws of edward the confessor (the laws of alfred).
Gradually over the next 600 years his successors, being normans and unfamiliar with the english concept of all men being accountable to the law and even the poor having common law rights, gradually eroded the rights of the commoners, thinking they were Euro kings. This led to rebellions every few decades, 1215 magna carta, 1381 the peasants revolt, 1450 the kent rebellion, 1497 cornish rebellion, 1549 ketts rebellion and then 1642 the civil war.
We replaced the king with the only man who could be trusted to not imagine himself a god, who literally refused the title of king when it was offered to him. And again, you are confusing the european model of a king with the english one, where the king is not entitled to persecute his people, he is the accepted figurehead of the nation and accountable to their goodwill, exactly the same situation which exists today.
There is nothing subservient about having a king, it is a national figurehead that everyone can feel proud of, who embodies the spirit and honour of the nation. This permanence acts as a check on the passions and fashions of the day, and prevents men taking power and then using it to entrench themselves.
Exactly the problem that you have in america, where without any superior office your "representatives" imagine themselves king of the world and offer no deference to anyone or anything, only their own material gain.
And we imported the royal family from abroad because our royal family (the normans) at the time could not be trusted to not erode the rights of the people, and William of orange was sworn to do this at his coronation. His successors have kept their oath.

>>134472261
Nice arguments, PiS shill. Everything I said is true.

>>134461554
Well, it's ruled by one person effectively. But it will never be anywhere near as bad as in those countries. Kaczyński does want that extent of power though and he's doing everything to achieve it. 80% of shit PiS does is solely for securing power and it's stuff that was never mentioned during elections. The 20% is indeed fulfilling promises from elections time but at the very high cost (they introduced something way more retarded than obama care and now our budget is fucked, prices of everything are rising rapidly too).

>>134469963
>Everybody is protesting.
I didn't protest. So it's not everybody

>>134471391
Simple question: tell me which party would you vote for, and I'll know who you are

>>134473059
Not a single one of them.

>>134472350
Not a single thing you wrote is true, because if it's true, then tell me oh wiseman, what the fuck did we have so far?

And for me, you are SorosShill.

>>134473154
>Not a single thing you wrote is true
Go ahead and deny it then.

>what the fuck did we have so far
What do you mean?

>And for me, you are SorosShill.
Who the fuck is that?

>>134440424
>free judiciary system
they're brainwashed idiots. actually they're fighting for stay of the post communist judges. I'm worried for our future generations. They might be too stupid to keep that country intact.

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>>134472311
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-no-refugees-eu-legal-action-infringement-quotas-resettlement-beata-szydlo-commission-a7741236.html
sure thing faggot

>>134473147
>>134473334
Then what is your endgame? Obviously, we can whine that many things could be done better, I would personally prefer, if people elected judges, based on their achievements and experience, BUT you have to start somewhere

Consider the following: if anything that the current government is doing is causing such a ruckus from the other side, then maybe, just maybe, they are doing a good job. I don't trust anything that opposition says.

Your arguments are so fucking naive and simpleminded, that I don't even know where to begin. PO did whatever they could, without any regard to the law, nothing was stopping them. If PIS wanted to be like PO, they could do the same, but they aren't. Only a fool would equate opposition with the ruling party.

>Who the fuck is that?
Don't pretend that you don't know, otherwise, lurk moar newfag

>>134473657
They would run away from Poland anyway, retard. If not immediately, it would happen after a month, two or a year. They only wanted to stay in wealthy countries like Ger/Fra/UK. Also, other parties were against taking them too.

>>134443563
>>134446508
Can we get a quick rundown?

>>134472311
ahh.... you're one of them... I see now.

Useful idiot.

If you think that Germany didn't think of that, you only again are proving your idiocy and naivety.

When one side is dedicated to be a total annihilating opposition, you can't play nice (even if PIS was too nice for too long)

>>134443563
>>134445039
yeah, you idiots. let them undermine democratically chosen government just for changing judiciary election to exactly what there's currently in the west. Enjoy being raped by mohammads in the future, you naive sheep

>>134473906

>conservative party wins an election
>tries to clear out the other party's detritus from government
>REEEEEEEEEEEE THIS IS AN ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY

Globalists about to do to Poland what they did to Ukraine.

>>134474067
To be honest, they are doing what should have been done in early 90s

Better late than never.

>>134474117
Doubtful, now that US has army, and wants to make business with us, they will not let the others interfere.

>>134474204
*has army in Poland

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NARODOWY SOCJALIZM
JEDNA DROGA DLA KRAJU

>>134473718
I don't have any endgame. I just see that's what's happening now is very very bad. I'm just a guy who wanted to check out if /pol/ has a thread about it, read some posts and responded to them.

>Your arguments are so fucking naive and simpleminded
Which ones? And opposed to what? If anyone is naive and simpleminded it's people who believe PiS will save judiciary system by choosing their own supporters. Get real. It's been proven many times that PiS pays no attention to qualifications of people. Every party tends to choose their own people but previously they at least chose guys who were qualified for their jobs. In Kaczystan the only thing that matters is if you're obedient. Other parties were bad but PiS is the worst thing since PRL.

>>134474067
exactly the same tactics as your libtards use in the USA. But our opposition are total clowns fortunately. Not dangerous people, like yours.

>>134474067
They are also replacing them with purely their own supporters. So they are doing something similar but much worse.

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>>134474472
>I just see that's what's happening now is very very bad.
you think it's bad because you're an idiot without thinking skills

Communist faggots losing their minds that they've lost what small amount of power they still had in poland is glorious.

>>134474472
I'm not saying that they will save it, but they are going in the right way. So far, anything they do is beneficiary for our country, whether you want to admit, or not.

And re-read what I wrote: PO did whatever they wanted. They wanted to break and enter into a house of some troll, they did. Tusk was literally the first person to sign ACTA/SOPA. Now then, there were the biggest protest in Poland, because every city had over millions of youth protesting against it. Did you forget about it?

Or maybe, how every national company, including strategically important ones were being slowly bankrupted and sold off to foreign companies? Get real, PO did whatever they wanted, without giving a shit what people were thinking.

>>134474708
this
national socialism estabilished
niggers, commies and kikes eternally BTFO

>>134472059
Don't be a retard. You're obviously being manipulated if you're trying to justify this obvious double standard with a hallucination.

>>134474996
Not to mention that he actually described the previous government, who ruled with iron hand for 8 years, and nowadays, they are the opposition

Let them taste their own medicine.

>>134474780
And where did I state otherwise?

>>134475173
You are acting, like some great harm is going on.

I don't care about "fictional qualities". I care about the results. If the results are positive, I'm happy.

You also forget that PIS has inside fractions that mistrust each other, but it's another topic for another time.

The fact that you use the term "Kaczystan", which was invented by a person who was promoting self-sex marriages tells me everything I need to know about you.

>>134473797
why would the leave?
the "wealthy" countries like Ger/Fra/UK are slowly turning to shithole thanks to nignogs and goatfuckers. sure they'd stay and fuck this country over. but you don't really care. how could you, you brainwashed twat

>>134475346
*same-sex marriages
ehhh

>>134469963
>judiciary will be decided only by currently reigning party
>effectively making us no longer be a democracy
I didn't remember when last time was election for judges
>removing everybody in current supreme court and will elect a new one
judiciary was new lustrated/decommunized, how you do it without firing everyone
>constitution
constitution is just law, that can be, and sometimes should be, changed
>>134472059
>single correction proposed by opposition gets rejected for the sake of it
the opposition make 1300 correction just to slow/prevent , also when PO was in power they did the same to opposition at time

>>134475435
What he forgets is that these rapefugees would be registered, so if they moved to Germony, their municipal offices would know that they are from Poland, and would send them back. A minor detail that he forgot in his useful idiocy.

>>134440424
>protesting
BUAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

it never works, but every pussy political fag has to do it for the sake of virtue signaling

>>134474554

I mean this is literally SOP in most other countries. Getting to pack the courts is one of the top prizes of presidential elections here.

>>134475493
Let's not forget that we don't know what these corrections were. Nobody ever said a simple example of what such "correction" was.

When PO was in power, they kept saying to PIS "when you win the elections, you will be allowed to do whatever you want" in a mocking way.
Now that they did, they are angry.

>>134449654
Fuck off. Western Europe is done. It's only the Poles, Hungarians, Russians and a few others who have a chance to keep their nations and heritage. There are hundreds of thousands of mohammeds illegally in europe atm and all our western nations are bending over and getting fucked by them.

>>134475698
Now, imagine that in your country, the judges are elected among people who are loyal/obedient to enemy government who were trained by them, and who are basically against you, or american values, and who instead of being taken care of, had free reign to decide who goes to prison, and who goes free. Now you will have a picture of what is at the stake here.

>>134474996
Nice generalities.

>>134475131
No, I described current government. I can see however that you're quite skilled at changing the subject. It's all what PiS supporters do - never respond to anything that is inconvenient to them and constantly pull strawmen. "someone else was bad so we can do whatever we want and you have no right to complain or else it means you were supporting them". I stated multiple times I didn't like what PO did. It's totally irrelevant to what PiS is doing anyway. We're talking about PiS now.

>You are acting, like some great harm is going on.
because there is.

>You also forget that PIS has inside fractions that mistrust each other, but it's another topic for another time.
For someone who "cares about results" you sure don't care about the fact they always vote exactly like Kaczyński orders them to, even if they have no idea what they were voting on because resolution was published fifteen minutes before the vote. It was clear few days ago. Everything by opposition gets rejected in all votes but when Kaczyński raised a hand all those people voted for.

>The fact that you use the term (...) tells me everything I need to know about you.
Yeah. Because you have no intention of taking part in actual discussion and try to shame me because you didn't like one word. You're spewing logical fallacies like a machine gun.
I have no idea who invented the term and don't care about it. I used it because it's accurate.

>>134475435
Are you illiterate? i literally explained that in the post you replied to.

>>134475561
And they would run away again. Like many did that stopped by here. Anyway, you're focusing on very small number clearly in order to change the subject.

>>134475724
>Let's not forget that we don't know what these corrections were. Nobody ever said a simple example of what such "correction" was.
Okay, so you're outright lying now. They were explained many times.

>>134475724
>Let's not forget that we don't know what these corrections were
but we know what these correction were: bullshit to contradicts is self, some actually contradict constitution, like last 300(?) were just reject point by point of the act

>>134476124
>No, I described current government.
Because I don't have a current government
Actually, I am angry that they are very lenient.

>because there is.
What harm? Like, you are going to buy bread, and then Kaczyński attacks with "gorszy sort, bitch"?

>For someone who "cares about results" you sure don't care about the fact they always vote exactly like Kaczyński orders them to,
Good, politicians are human waste, at least they are useful. You don't actually think that politicians have any opinions of their own? Because again, that's super naive.

>And they would run away again.
Yeah, and go back again, until at some point got pissed off and go full allah ackbar. Get real, kid.

>They were explained many times.
Like what? Because all I've seen was Petru talking about microphone, or some bitch screaming and kicking.

George Soros and likely facebook twitter are doing you over like they did Ukraine.

Poor guys.

>>134449887
imo the protest is not against stoping judges from selecting judges but to prevent pis selecting their judges and gaining more power

>>134476556
Really? I was googling it, and the only thing I got from all media outlets were about the bitchfighing.

I'm not surprised that there wasn't a single sensible argument from them. Because you know, if opposition had brain, they could have used it as an opportunity to showcase their program, except they have none, other than "fuck pis, because they're evil"

Thankfully, they are braindead.

>>134476565
*I don't hate a current government

>>134454695
>>134454695
POLISH SHILLS
FML
WHY ARE WE CONSIDERED BASED AGAIN??
I won't even give Yous to the other faggot traitors, but when I saw the fucking guardian I couldn't resist

>>134475737
Not Poles. Poles are getting BLACKED by the millions. They are following the American way they love so much

>>134476728
I don't think that the judges will become suddenly pro-pis, just sayin'. And I don't think that it's the end of the battle, I fully expect even more hysteria, fake news, kicking and screaming, both from opposition, and the judges

>>134476565
If you think all judges being obedient to one person isn't bad, I don't know what else to tell you. Just because Kaczyński won't personally hit you doesn't mean there's no harm.

>at least they are useful
Except they aren't.

>You don't actually think that politicians have any opinions of their own?
Of course. And anyway, they can't even form their opinions if PiS doesn't allow them to actually read the resolutions, think and discuss them through.

>Yeah, and go back again, until at some point got pissed off and go full allah ackbar. Get real, kid.
Okay, so you will continue this back and forth until the end of time because you need to have the last word. The thing is, what does it matter? Go back to the beginning of the discussion. What you're saying right now is irrelevant.

They were saying what exactly they want to change in specific resolutions. Like "I don't agree with article x and I propose to change it in this way". I don't watch TV much but saw it dozens of times.
Oh, and I assume the corrections were numerous because PiS never allowed any debate so opposition had no time to turn them into one big correction. The "delay tactics" were only put into place after what PiS did with constitutional tribunal or whatever it's called in English. Because PiS was breaking every law imaginable and there was imply no other way to stop them without outright using physical force. It's a reaction to illegal ruling by PiS.

IT'S UNCLEAR WHO IS RIGHT HERE

The problem with our Judiciary is that they have written for themselves constitutional laws that make them independent AND TOTALLY CRIMINALLY UNTOUCHABLE AND IN CONTROL OF ENTRY TO THE JUDGE SYSTEM.

There are no checks and balances over them.

>>134477081
>I don't think that the judges will become suddenly pro-pis, just sayin'.
They won't. However if Ziobro doesn't like the verdict he can simply tell that judge to fuck off and move the case to other judge and so on until he gets the verdict he want. He doesn't have to argument it in any way. He decides which verdicts pass and which don't.

>>134477999
Of course PiS is in the right, and its only better they modified the ruling to a 3/5 majority vote

>>134477999

Checked

>>134477579
>If you think all judges being obedient
You are naive if you think that they will be instantly going to be obedient. I will repeat, it's only the beginning of the battle, and we might learn much more interesting things later this year, because I am certain that we only know like 0,1% of przewały that they were doing.

>Except they aren't.
Except they are, and we can go back and forth.

>And anyway, they can't even form their opinions if PiS doesn't allow them to actually read the resolutions, think and discuss them through.
Newsflash, the same goes to every other party, maybe except of Kukiz, but apparently, they have personal problems, and it's possible that this party will dissolve. Liroy already left.

>What you're saying right now is irrelevant.
And what you are saying is downright naive and stupid. Germany will just not allow for registered rapefugees to leave Poland. The thing is, we don't need them, and we have no moral obligation to take them. End of story.

>Oh, and I assume the corrections were numerous because PiS never allowed any debate so opposition had no time to turn them into one big correction.
I'd rather trust the other anon who says that they were trying to obstruct the reform, just like they tried to obstruct the budget last year. Sorry, but your opinion is not trustworthy for me.

I will later google, because going through news site is like touching a toxic cesspool. Sadly, there are no objective news.

>Because PiS was breaking every law imaginable
Are you a lawyer? Because that's a bold statement. Pis, for all the things they do, better or worse, are actually very literate in law. They know what they can do, and what they cannot do. If anything, that should show you the quality of the law in Poland.