If not man-made global warming, who causes the melting of glaciers?

>>134407378
Time.

>>134407378
(((Them)))
Jews aren't human.
Checkmate liberals

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>>134407378
you already know that

>>134407378
>If not man-made global warming, who causes the melting of glaciers?

Fucking Summer....

It's ALWAYS summer.

>>134407378
Cameras zooming out.

>>134407378
>zooming out on 2011 to make the ice level look lower

>>134407378
Jean-Claude Junker's hangover farts

>>134407470
Those are permaglaciers, mate, they do not melt in the summer. You are thinking of... snow.

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>>134407378
>>134407461

based neill blomkamp is redpilling us about lizard people, all you have to do is listen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjQ2t_yNHQs

>>134407378
We're still living in the end of the last ice age
In xxx years everything will be back at normal until the next ice age will come

>>134407474
this nigga gets it

>>134407378
niggers

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>>134407378
AYY LMAOS

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We're still in an ice age, you mong.

The peak of the last glacial stage was 23-24,000 years ago. The climate has mostly been warming since.

The last dip into glacial temperatures ended roughly 11,500 years ago with the Younger Dryas. There have been peaks and valleys since, but none that drastic.

We exist in what's called an interstadial; a warm period in between glaciations during an ice age.

If you really want to learn about the Holocene epoch, go read a bit about the following:
Bolling oscillation interstadial
Older Dryas stadial
Allerod oscillation
Younger Dryas
8.2 kiloyear event
Holocene climatic optimum
Older Peron transgression
Piora Oscillation
5.9 kiloyear event
4.2 kiloyear event
Roman warm period
Medieval warm period
Little Ice Age

>>134407378
If not man-made global cooling, who causes the increasing antarctic ice mass?

>>134407378
You do realise that before 1924...(if you go further , decades , centuries in the past).... You'd see even less ice than in 2011 right ?

Also , ever heard of the Medieval Warm Period ?

>>134407378
Hardly no change between 1985 and 2011 once you crop it down to the same field of view.

>>134407378
the sun

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>>134407756
ok, mate. You can make arguments, but don't just misrepresent facts.

>>134407378
I wonder if there were any precious gems or minerals hidden below.

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>>134407378
>(((science)))
>muh always showing just the last 100 years of data to scare the brainwashed zombies

global warming/climate change is an industry unto itself and they want worldwide "carbon taxes" on top of that. it is an insidious thing far beyond that even.

you won't understand wtf i'm talking about unless you look into these things for yourself. so, you can do that (takes effort)... or blindly continue to go along with their agenda. whatever.

did you know having ice cap is an anomaly? did you know that the earth has been ice cap free for ~90% of its existence? did you know by definition ice caps only exist during ice ages? did you know we are at the tail end of a CURRENT ice age now? did you know the caps extended as far down as missouri/kentucky just 20,000 years ago and have been receding ever since that peak? did you know the caps are going bye-bye even if every person on the planet disappeared 20,000 years ago?

THE OCEAN'S RELEASE *ALL ON ITS OWN* IS FAR LARGER AND MORE IMPORTANTLY *OUT ACCELERATING* MANS CONTRIBUTION

THE OCEAN IS RELEASING MORE DUE TO WARMER TEMPS (WARMER WATER = IT'S A FAR LESS EFFECTIVE C02 SINK)

IF HUMANS NEVER AROSE CO2 WOULD BE INCREASING AT ALMOST THE EXACT SAME RATE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW

THIS HAPPENS AT THE END OF EVERY ICE AGE

STOP BEING SO FUCKING GULLIBLE AND LAZY

LOOK INTO THINGS FOR YOURSELF AND STOP TAKING WHAT THE MSM, EPA.GOV AND NASA.GOV ETC. TELL YOU AT FACE VALUE, YOU LAZY SHITS. IT IS ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL.

ICE AGES AND PERMANENT ICE *ARE AN ANOMALY*

BY DEFINITION AN "ICE AGE" IS WHEN THE EARTH HAS PERMANENT ICE SHELVES

WE HAD ICE A MILE THINK IN CINCINNATI JUST 20,000 YEARS AGO

THE PLANET IS WARMING AND THE CAPS ARE METLING

THAT MEANS = MORE CO2, SEA RISE AND WEATHER PATTERN CHANGES

WE CAN'T STOP OR ALTER IT, WE WILL ADAPT JUST FINE

STOP BEING SCARED INTO TAX SCHEMES AND GLOBALIST POWER PLAYS YOU DUMBED DOWN ZOMBIES

>>134407378
Are you under the assumption that we were still in the Ice Age?

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>>134407756
>>134407884
Down, down it goes.

>>134407378
It is simply weather, the Earth is in constant change


Human made you say? Tell the chinks and poos to be cleaner

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>>134407770
>Hardly no change between 1985 and 2011 once you crop it down to the same field of view.

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>>134407549
>Those are permaglaciers, mate, they do not melt in the summer. You are thinking of... snow.

>>134407378

Reptilian-made global warming.

>>134408020
>eu flag
>not being retarded

oh it's self-explanatory

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>>134407770

>>134408025
Once again, those are permaglaciers, mate, you are thinking of snow. Permaglaciers do not necessarily show up as bright white on a satellite picture... many are typically grayish in the summer.

>>134407964
>>134407884
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

?????

>>134407378
God giveth and taketh
Science is the devil
When he took eden from us it was not because of Adam farting too much ruining the atmosphere of paradise
God does these things

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>>134407378
uhm natural global warming....just as in the roman optimum...so what does one find under the melting glaciers ? Yes remains of ancient forests from the roman period and beyond that.Was that also man made global warming ?

>>134407756
There's this thing called the sun. Also.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

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>>134408230
>https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
You may wish to actually read the articles you link to. They are talking about East Antarctic ice increases.

Overall, there is a net loss going on.

>>134408259
Adam was/is a jewish genesis fable you twat. We cant go back even if we tried. The exit hole is egypt not eden. Ffs, this is why we cant have nice things. Too addicted to fiction to see reality. Science is good. Jews mastr science because they master the concept of time which is ingrained in the sciences. Double edged sword. Unholy Music is where the devil dwells in selfish egotistical men who parade as gods and molest children like an ancient greek pagan. Shut up and STUDY!!

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Me

>mfw i have a candle burning 24/7

Did humans caused the end of the ice age too?

>>134408530
So what do you want to tell us.That the amount of ice is constant for eternity ? For as long as you live ? And every climate change is man made.And that there has never been a climate change in the past ? There is nothing unnatural with melting glaciers.There is nothing unnatural or bad about a melting north pole ice cap.That happens over and over and over again in climate history.

>>134407751
rekt

>>134408530
>Overall, there is a net loss going on.
But the Nasa article I linked literally asserts the contrary.

>>134407378
You've got to be some French faggot who saw this topic on the national news yesterday, pathetic

>>134408725
>So what do you want to tell us.That the amount of ice is constant for eternity ? For as long as you live ?
Man-made climate change has been happening for 70yrs.

>>134408847
Hey idiot, respond to this >>134407751

>>134408770
>But the Nasa article I linked literally asserts the contrary.
No, it doesn't. If you read it, you would know it says that the "net gain" overall from the 1980s until 2008 was 80 billion, while the "net gain" overall until early 200s was 110 billion, meaning we have had a net loss of 30 billion since the end of the 1990s... and falling as per the data I showed.

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>>134408847
>Man-made climate change has been happening for 70yrs.
>since 1947

You know what else happened in 1947?
Israel was acknowledged as a nation.
Coincidence? I think not.
>TFW finally drank the global warming kool-aid and it tasted like matzo balls.

>>134408908
I'll agree we've had a net loss in the yearly gain rate.
But surely you don't think the rate of gain should be a constant function of time? If that were the case, the world would be covered in ice.

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Global warming doesnt exist.
Climate change exists, because the climate of this planet already changed like 6 gorrillion fucking times before the human race even existed.
Sending half of my paycheck to the jews to save the climate wont change jack shit, besides reducing my wage.

Whoever believes in global warming or muh climate change zomfg needs to get shot in the face.

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>>134409398
>Sending half of my paycheck to the jews to save the climate wont change jack shit, besides reducing my wage.

Bingo.
Changes in the climate are governed by hundreds of variables, and the belief that we can control these changes predictably by taxing and manipulating the margins of one politically selected factor (CO2) is bullshit.

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A Little Ice Age that ended around 1850 which just happens to be around the time humanity started to scientific temperature measurement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

>have friend threated to stop talking to me for even suggesting that anthropogenic climate change may not be to blame for warming trends
>absolutely refused to let me wven make a point

Why are people so passionately brainwashed on this of all issues

>>134407378
So what if water rises by a meter and temperature rises by 2 or 3 degrees? We can just adapt

>>134407378
Hillary Clinton

>>134407378
Even the right needs some science to deny , just like the left

Wouldnt be politics without it

>>134409703

you have stupid friends.

its easy to shit such idiots up.

>muh climate change consensus
>muh % of scientists believe in this

Science isnt a democracy or religion, there cant be a "consensus".
In science something either is, or isnt.

If there is a "consensus", it basically means "WE HAVE EXACTLY ZERO EVIDENCE ON GLOBAL WARMING, BUT LISTEN TO THE ONES WHO THINK ITS REAL".

it worked on a couple of retarded people i know, now they just avoid the subject when talking to me.

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>>134409703
>Why are people so passionately brainwashed on this of all issues
Because Climate Change is a modern religion, like Scientology or Mormonism.

Doomsday cults are a relic of evolution. We live in an uncontrollable world, yet desperately feel a need to control it and everything else; so, we assign human culpability to natural processes in order to have an enemy we feel capable of fighting. No different really than ancient peoples who invented gods to explain things like thunder and rain.

Climate Change prophets have been predicting an apocalypse for at least the past 50 years; first it was Global Cooling—we were supposed to be entering a new ice age 20 years ago, caused by particles from industrial processes blocking out sunlight. Then it was Global Warming—the ice caps and Himalayan glaciers would be melted by 2012, and there would be no more snowfall.
Now It’s Climate Change™, a wonderfully vague term that covers anything that could possibly happen.

Science is a process, not a belief.
Anyone who claims otherwise is trying to sell you something.

>>134407378
Nothing changes from 1985-2011, the pic just zooms out. Nice try though. And nobody here denies global warming, we deny man-made global warming.

don't glaciers slowly slide down hill?

>>134407378
The picture gets further and further away.
Difference between 85 and 11 is not that much.
Also it would matter if in one it's taken during summer and in other during spring, late autumn.

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>>134409952
>Science isnt a democracy or religion, there cant be a "consensus".
>In science something either is, or isnt.
Bingo, again. Polan is on the ball tonight.

The work of science has nothing whatsoever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results.

Climate Change hasn’t been around as long as Christianity, but it’s had as many failed prophecies.

Where has the nugget gone, did she run out of points she could cherry pick to argue against whilst ignoring those that didn't fit her bubble

>>134409738
>So what if water rises by a meter and temperature rises by 2 or 3 degrees? We can just adapt
Sure we can. Still, I want to see Saudis btfo with their oil not be worth much.

>>134410199
>And nobody here denies global warming, we deny man-made global warming.

Denying global warming makes sense if you have valid arguments to doubt the data.

But once you agree global warming is happening, denying that mankind causes it, is just beyond retardation given that the sun's activity has been going down in the last decades.

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>>134410542
>Where has the nugget gone, did she run out of points she could cherry pick to argue against whilst ignoring those that didn't fit her bubble

Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear that the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had.

I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E = mc2. Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way.

Finally, a quote to make you think a bit:
>The United Nations has publicly stated its goal is not to ‘solve’ climate change, but to seek to redistribute wealth and expand its authority through more central planning. UN official Ottmar Edenhofer, co-chair of the IPCC Working Group III, admitted what’s behind the climate issue: “One must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy … One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore.”

Do with this what you will.

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>>134410969
>Denying global warming

You talk of believers and deniers; your language betrays Climate Change™ for the religion it is.

>>134410289
>Climate Change hasn’t been around as long as Christianity, but it’s had as many failed prophecies.

pretty uncalled for but ok burger

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>>134409700
Indeed, the "global warming" itself began in 1850, well before there were any substantial amounts of "man-made" CO2 emissions.
Pic related: the Milankovich cycles are perfectly sufficient to explain climate change *so far*. It is still true that man-made contributions exist, and quite likely are exacerbating what would already be bad news (just because it isn't man made doesn't mean we aren't fucked).
The consolation is that in 10000 years the glaciers will be back in force, and our remote descendants will be glad for every bit of additional greenhouse effect we caused.

The great lakes were formed by a massive ice sheet that once covered the entire north of the continent. That was the last ice age. The glaciers have been melting since. They continue to recede even today. At some point in the future, things will go in the other direction again. Certainly no need to artificially disable our economy and send money to China.

>>134407378
>man made

Idiot. The Earth has regular repeating warming and cooling cycles. Billions of years worth of these cycles.

Do you honestly fucking believe in your cretin brain that humans, in 100 years of industrialization COULD POSSIBLY effect any kind of significant change to our planet?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

FUCKING IDIOT.

>>134407378
Its an eregore
Literally the beleif that the ice is melting is melting the ice

>>134411115
Nothing wrong with religion.

Although it isn't a religion, it's just obvious to anyone who goes outside and doesn't live in a nigger climate with air conditioning.

>Humans can't affect the climate
>rushes from air conditioned house to air conditioned car to air conditioned burger joint

>>134411470
>Do you honestly fucking believe in your cretin brain that humans, in 100 years of industrialization COULD POSSIBLY effect any kind of significant change to our planet?

Yes, because I am not a science denying die-hard radical "oh Lordy save me" Christian.

Man made global warming is causing that

>>134411711

Where did you read religion into any of that, fucking moron. I just proclaimed the Earth to be BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD.

You summer shills need to be re-educated.

>>134411470
Yes
You should take some physics classes

>>134411115
I talk about scientists... not belivers.

I talk about deniers... not scientists.

>>134409549
do you realise that this chart ends in 1950
climate scientists use 1950 as the present benchmark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present
this does not show current rapid warming

>>134410289
this image is full of strawman predictions made by the media not the scientists.

>>134409700
This is an image of the LOCAL temperature in the Sargasso Sea
https://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/keigwin_sargasso.pdf
The paper is from 1996. The original chart only went to 'present' which as explained above, is 1950 in Scientific terms. The version you posted has been shifted forwards by about 50 years.

>>134407751
All of those things you posted can be explained by things that do not explain current warming
>Bolling oscillation interstadial
>Older Dryas stadial
>Allerod oscillation
These are all localised events
>Younger Dryas
This was caused by a slowdown of the thermohaline circulation, doesn't explain current warming
>Holocene climatic optimum
Caused by Milankovitch cycles, doesn't explain current warming
>Older Peron transgression
Sea levels were not higher than today
>Piora Oscillation
Nowhere near as severe as todays changes
>5.9 kiloyear event
>4.2 kiloyear event
>8.2 kiloyear event
All have causes that don't explain current warming (ie 8.2 caused by meltwater pulse) They should concern you though as they both caused collapses of civilization.
>Roman warm period
Localised, cooler than today
>Medieval warm period
Globally the warming is higher and faster now. Also, Medivel warm period not caused by anything that explains current warming (likely it was high solar activity and low volcanic activity, solar activity is steady at the moment)
>Little Ice Age
Caused by a Maunder Minimum. We are currently due for another maunder minimum but this is irrelevant because our current carbon forcing will overwhelm the minor cooling effect (which obviously wouldn't have happened then)

>>134411793
>I just proclaimed the Earth to be BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD.
Just because your interpretation of the bible includes the "shrinking time concept" after the big flood, doesn't mean you aren't a religious nutcase.

>>134411550
>be a volcano
>release CO2 equal to half of what man has produced in his existance
>release it all at once
>spew ash too
>Earth filters it all out in a matter of days
>by years end ita like I never errupted
>lol at man for thinking he has had an impact on the planet

>>134411711
I'm pretty sure Christians don't believe the Earth is billions of years old you retarded faggot.

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>>134407378
pic related

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This is what North America used to look like

>>134411909
A volcano eruption is about 10% of what mankind is producing each year

>>134407378
>Sun
>Space weather
Also 23.09.17

Nibiru is coming.

>>134411909
>I can't provide sources or and antidotal evidence of my claims.

>>134411940
They use their "shrinking time concept" to not appear that stupid to the public... but they still are. They believe what is in the bible.

>>134407378
global warming that is not man made

>>134407378

I'm not gonna lie, it's kinda too hot in Europe right now.

>>134411794

There's no physics class that will denounce the Earth's natural warming and cooling cycles, fucktard.

>>134411899
>muh bible

There you are making some fucking whacktard religious reference. No one but you is even suggesting religion is thought is involved here at all.

You make yourself incredibly obvious trying to force some sky wizard bullshit into the narrative, so you can claim anyone who disagrees with you must be one.

Seriously, unironically kill yourself, immediately.

>>134411470
You didn't look at the evidence at all, did you.
>billions of years worth of these cycles
Nobody reconstructed "billions of years". A few million years is more than enough (even if we had the data, the climate of the Proterozoic isn't really relevant to the discussion).

Industrialisation did in fact have significant influence on atmosphere composition. CO2 doubled from 200 ppm to 400 ppm. Man made contribution to radiative forcing are probably in the range of 1% of incoming solar power.
The question isn't if this is real, but how bad it is. In the best case, this is just a blip lost in other, naturally occurring variations. In the worst case, it is just what is needed to push over the equilibrium.
You are the cretin for dismissing this out of hand.

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>>134407378
>If not man-made global warming, who causes the melting of glaciers?
The Sun faggot, it's pretty elementary, but judging by your flag your hard of thinking anyway. Just trying to do you a solid.

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>>134411116
>uncalled for
TOPKEK

The world has been (((ending))) in one form or another as long as I've been alive.

>Global Cooling
>Global Warming
>The War on Drugs
>The War on Terrorism
>Y2K
>The Housing Crisis
>The Tranny Armageddon
>The Nigpocalypse
>Sasha Grey doesn't suck dick for money anymore
>There are more genders than stars in the universe

Still here.
There are still FOB Czech whores at my local titty bar every week.
Jameson still makes devil water.
16 year old broads are God's viagra.

>The world's gonna end. Any day now!!
Sure.

Call me when that actually happens.
I'm sitting on 25,000 rounds of ammo.

It doesn't go bad like milk, rignt?

>>134411857

>heh i saw your arguments but i will just say it doesn't explain "current" warming. checkmate science deniers!

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Why do climate change deniers point to past climate change events like it disproves AGW?

Do you think that fucking geologists, climatologists, oceanographers etc don't realise these things happened?

In fact they should concern you MORE because they prove how sensitive the earth climate system is.

A small change in the earths tilt can take us out of an ice age.

The position of the continents can contribute to the death of 90% of life on earth (end permian)

And you think CO2 rising from 280ppm to 410ppm in 200 years causes no problems?

CO2 has correlated to mass extinctions before, and will do so again.

>>134408103
So what you're saying is the more co2 we pump out the less ice will decline?

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I'll just leave this here

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

>>134412499
>And you think CO2 rising from 280ppm to 410ppm in 200 years causes no problems?
lel, greenhouses maintain CO2 levels at 1500ppm, plants grow 5 times faster.

More plants means more animals, greater biodiversity all around.

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>>134411550
>Nothing wrong with religion.

Sure.
But, religion isn't science.
No matter how much you wish it to be.

>But, Muh fossil fuels

All the iron used to make swords must have thrown our orbit off balance as well.

>I'm being super cereal right now
I know you are.

One day while Chicken Little is walking in the woods an acorn falls from a tree, and hits the top of her little head.

“My oh my, the sky is falling. I must run and tell the lion about it”, says Chicken Little and begins to run. She runs and runs. By and by she meets the hen.

“Where are you going?” asks the hen.
“Oh, Henny Penny, the sky is falling and I am going to the lion to tell him about it.”
“How do you know this?” asks Henny Penny.
“It hit me on the head, so I know it must be so”, says Chicken Little.
“Let me go with you!” says Henny Penny.

So the two run and run until they meet Ducky Lucky.
“The sky is falling”, says Henny Penny. “We are going to the lion to tell him about it.”
“How do you know that?” asks Ducky Lucky.
“It hit Chicken Little on the head”, says Henny Penny.
“May I come with you?” asks Ducky Lucky.
“Come”, says Henny Penny.

So all three of them run on and on until they meet Foxey Loxey.
“Where are you going?” asks Foxey Loxey.
“The sky is falling and we are going to the lion to tell him about it”, says Ducky Lucky.
“Do you know where he lives?” asks Foxey Loxey.
“I don’t”, says Chicken Little.
“I don’t”, says Henny Penny.
“I don’t”, says Ducky Lucky.

“I do”, says Foxey Loxey. “Come with me and I can show you the way.”
He walks on and on until he comes to his den.
“Come right in”, says Foxey Loxey.

They all go in, but only Foxey Loxey comes out again.

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>>134412413
How is this hard to understand you fucking retard? There is no understood cause of past climate change explaining modern day rapid scale warming. I'm not writing a fucking essay on every single past climate change for your benefit.

>Volcanic activity
No
>Solar activity
No
>Milankovitch cycles
No
>Meltwater Pulses
No
>Asteroid impact
No
>Chemical Weathering
No
>Ocean current changes
No
>Sudden ice sheet collapse
No
>Increased CO2/Methane/Nitrous Oxide
Yes

It is a fact that earth is warming
It is a fact that this is being driven by CO2 and other greenhouse gases
It is a fact that human activity is throwing off the carbon balance, and causing this.

>>134411857
So basically you agree that we have to stop feeding Africa and spend that money on militarilly protecting the rain forests and the coral reefs?

>>134412499
>And you think CO2 rising from 280ppm to 410ppm in 200 years causes no problems?
Problems? Sure

Question is whether or not it doesn't cause a variety of boons that we might benefit in greater proportion to the problems.

>>134412274

You're less the blink of the eye in terms of the Earth's existence.

Seriously KILL YOURSELF FOR BEING SO ARROGANT AND STUPID TO THINK YOU COULD, IN YOUR LIFETIME, OR IN 100000 LIFETIMES EVER IMPACT THE EARTH IN ANY WAY.

>>134412737
>human activity is throwing off the carbon balance
You think that there is some kind of "delicate balance" going on here? You realize that most of the carbon we are burning used to be in the atmosphere right? Oil is biomass

>>134412737
Nice story bro.

>>134412499

The ocean releases in just a single year, more co2 and methane than the human race has produced by industry, since man has even existed.

Let that sink in, faggot.

HUMANS HAVE RELEASED LESS CO2 AND METHANE, IN THEIR ENTIRE EXISTENCE, THAN THE OCEAN FLOOR RELEASES IN ONE SINGLE YEAR.

Where the fuck do you idiots get trained to bullshit at?

>>134412737
why does your graph end at year 2000

>>134412737

literally fake news

>muh facts
>all of it literally bullshit

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>>134411804
>I talk about deniers

Belief and Denial are religious terms.

A remark from Maurice Strong, who organized the first U.N. Earth Climate Summit (1992) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil revealed the real goal: “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrialized civilization to collapse.”

Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)

Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”

In 1988, a former Canadian Minister of the Environment told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”

Speaking at the 2000 U.N. Conference on Climate Change in the Hague, former President Jacques Chirac of France said: “For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France would like to see established.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/#1a566c5076fb

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>>134412737
>It is a fact that this is being driven by CO2
No it isn't. It's a fact your lying about it.
Co2 refraction has never been proven to have an effect on global or even local temps. In fact,
It can't even be proven to be a prime driver of weather of any kind.

>>134412758
I see, you are an idiot.
The claim isn't that we are blowing up Earth like a Death Star. The claim is merely that we are causing problems FOR OURSELVES.

The universe doesn't care if we have enough arable land for the eight billion humans we insisted on allowing to loiter on this planet. It is primarily a problem FOR HUMANS. It is secondarily a problem for planetary ecology as a whole, beucase starving humans do not tend to go into that good night quietly.

The edgy teenager's observation that humans are irrelevant sub specie aeternitatis is neither here nor there.

>>134413019
It has been proven over and over again

>>134413053
how is doubling crop yields bad for humans?

>>134413097
>droughts, floods and storms will double crop yields

Hi anon. Yes, you.

You are now aware that this thread and the bullshitters trying to convince you that humans are responsible for a "sudden" spike in global warming, are trying to coax you into a submissive mindset in which you will accept a world wide carbon tax placed upon you.

This is their goal. A slow but persistent fear tactic, meant to instill within you a permanent guilt complex, leaving you compliant and easy to cough up for a carbon tax that YOU will be made to pay for.

>>134412804
Don't forget it was million of years trapped under the earth. Theres still no real "balance, though.

>>134413164
lel, none of that will happen. And certainly not on a global scale

What will actually happen is extra CO2 will cause plant growth to accellerate, doubling crop yields worldwide

>>134412804
>You realize that most of the carbon we are burning used to be in the atmosphere right?
True and temperatures have changed massively
Fast changes in CO2 levels usually cause a mass extinction

>>134407934
We are actually still in an ice age. What we're going through now is called an interglacial period, ie a pause inside an ice age.
>In the present interglacial, the Holocene, the climatic optimum occurred during the Subboreal (5 to 2.5 ka BP, which corresponds to 3000 BC-500 BC) and Atlanticum (9 to 5 ka, which corresponds to roughly 7000 BC-3000 BC). Our current climatic phase following this climatic optimum is still within the same interglacial (the Holocene). This warm period was followed by a gradual decline until about 2,000 years ago, with another warm period until the Little Ice Age (1250-1850).

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>>134407474
>>134407495
>>134407604
>>134410199
>>134410266
Yes, blatant dishonesty.
This gif shows how much they zoomed

>>134413274
>usually cause

Oh? Where were your climate scientists to prove all these mass extinctions?

The variables involved in climate are incalculable (by humans or our computing power). We can approximate, badly, and have continued to create pretty shit models which have been unable to predict anything.

Yet these arrogant midwits who cling to "science" for lack of another religion and lecture everyone on things they cannot comprehend - based on opinions of others who similarly understand little but have fancy titles.

Climate science is just less embarrassing than Scientology.

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>>134413205
You could even say that the earth is pretty carbon starved right now. Compared to the megafauna of the past, the earth today is like a barren desert

These creatures used to walk the earth, imagine how thick the forest must have been to support these creatures. It would have made the Amazon look like your mother's flower garden.

>>134407378
Look down to the right you can see a nigger with a blow torch.

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>>134413081
>It has been proven over and over again
LOL ok, cause some anonymous climate fag on 4chinz says so.....riiighhhhtttttt.

>>134413164
>(((Communist)))
>doesn't understand basic facts of life

Checks out.

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>>134413343
How rich was the ecosystem back then? Lot more carbon around. Most of it was trapped under ground over the years unfortunately

>>134413274
>Fast changes in CO2 levels usually cause a mass extinction
>[citation needed]

>>134413343
>the dinosaur meme
wew

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>>134413440
Imagine this thing flying

>>134407378
It could be that fucking great big star we're rotating about.

>>134407378
NATURAL global warming

climatefags BTFO yet again

take your shill shit over to /b/, there are too many oldfags around here to get suckered into your (((carbon tax)))

>>134412660
>CO2 IS PLANT FOOD MUH GREENHOUSES
You are an idiot.

CO2 is not the limiting factor for plants that have developed in our current climate

Decade-long soil nitrogen constraint on the CO2 fertilization of plant biomass (Nature, 2013)

Here is a paper showing that other limiting factors, primarily absorption of nitrogen limit plants ability to take up carbon dioxide

Crop yield response to climate change varies with crop spatial distribution pattern (Scientific Reports, 2017)
Nonlinear temperature effects indicate severe damages to U.S. crop yields under climate change (PNAS)

Here are two of many papers discussing how climate change will harm crop yields, because increased drought, flooding, pest range expansion easily outweighs increased CO2

>>134412599
Can't read your own source?
>The beneficial impacts of carbon dioxide on plants may also be limited, said co-author Dr. Philippe Ciais, associate director of the Laboratory of Climate and Environmental Sciences, Gif-suv-Yvette, France. “Studies have shown that plants acclimatize, or adjust, to rising carbon dioxide concentration and the fertilization effect diminishes over time.”

Also, humans are not plants. We can't eat the majority of plants. And it doesn't matter. If greening is so great why has CO2 continued to increase in the atmosphere?
More CO2 still means greater warming, which means a much less stable planet.

>>134412739
I am not a fucking leftist, I wish we would stop providing aid to africa. population boom is the primary driver of high emissions.

>>134413514
>CO2 is not the limiting factor for plants that have developed in our current climate
Lol are you an idiot? If CO2 is not the limiting factor, why is it in such low concentration? The limiting factor in any solution will always be in negligible concentration in comparison to the other ingredients.

By the way, most of the earth's carbon cycle takes place in the ocean. Up to 80%

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>>134413343
That's the reason greenhouses exist.

>>134413081
How was it proven? The earth was at 6,000 + ppm CO2 for millions of years yet there was no feedback loop that made the earth become warmer and warmer.
Earth's history completely disproves what they predict for the future.

>>134409970
>Science is a process, not a belief.
This.

In real science there is no such thing as the science being settled. And "scientific consensus" is just a vague bullshit (((media))) term as are the 98 or whatever percent scientists or climate scientists.

>>134409703
Gotta meme harder and counter-brainwash them into more useful thinking, like accepting that all (((media))) lies all of the time about everything. And that globalisation, internationalism is the real doomsday.

>>134413514

Look, moronic fuck. 100 years, fuck 1000 years, even 10,000 years is too small a time scale for any human to predict any kind of long term global weather predictions.

The planet suffers from WILDLY varied temperature ranges, and does it quite often. When Europe suffered a mini ice-age, who was to blame for that? Fucking blacksmiths making weapons?

Just drop the pretense that you know what you're talking about. You don't. Humans cannot at this state effect large scale climate change.

MOVE ON

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I cant wait for china to push "Global Cooling".

>>134413577
Literally every fucking study shows that higher atmospheric CO2 will stunt crop yields. In some places it won't happen straight away but globally there is going to be a collapse in agriculture due to increased CO2. I provided you with a scientific article discussing the fact that Nitrogen is the limiting factor for most planet growth so read it please

>>134413676
>MUH HUMANS CANT CAUSE ANY CHANGES!!!!!!!!!!!
OK, so you don't have an argument?
The Mini ice Age, as explained above, was caused by a maunder minimum. The sun is currently in a steady state of irradiance and temperatures are still increasing so it doesn't explain todays climate shifts.

>Humans cannot at this state effect large scale climate change.
Yes we can.
Carbon Dioxide is the primary driver of climate in the last 500 million years
https://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/14/3/pdf/i1052-5173-14-3-4.pdf
Humans can emitt CO2 via the burning of fossil fuels

We can also do other things such as polluting the oceans with plastic, changing land use and destroying carbons inks and ecosystems, polluting rivers with nitrogen runoff etc.

Do you remember the Ozone hole?
The one caused by human CFC emissions?
Does that not prove we can effect large scale climate change?
We have even been able to start to fix that with collective action.

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>>134411857
>do you realise that this chart ends in 1950

Yeah. Fuck the past 4.5 Billion years.
Only the last 67 years count.

>B-But SUVs and whores are pure EVIL
>It's gonna stop snowing any winter now!!

You poor, dumb bastard.
Climate Change Cultists are just people who like to whine.
When you start crying to reduce overpopulation caused by bleeding heart faggots like yourself sending unlimited food to places like Africa, I might hate you a little less.

>We Needz Moar Noble Savages!!1!
>Gibs Moneys Plox!!!

Are you raciss, anon?

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>>134409398
>already changed like 6 gorrillion fucking times
The problem is that it changes faster than human life can adapt/evolve you dung.

>Sending half of my paycheck to the jews to save the climate
Actually you need to do exactly the opposite. You need to stop consuming. And that starves the jew.


Most of /pol/ will unironically deny this:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-hot-for-humans.html

>>134412660
Look at history. The vast majority of landmass has been a giant desert in the past when we had 1500ppm CO2 and above. There is a reason why oil is so abundant in only certain areas and not everywhere in the world.

>>134412107
>what is green house gas

We can slow warming down with deforestation of Estonia and other snowNigger countries.

>>134412964
Yes and because deniers are religiously motivated rather than by science, I talk about deniers.

>>134413981
>The vast majority of landmass has been a giant desert in the past
lol what? If by "desert" you mean "crushed under a massive fucking ice sheet", maybe I'd agree with you

You can't just say the vast majority of the earth was desert for all of history, this is ridiculous.

>>134413937
>Nitrogen is the limiting factor for most planet growth
But as I explained, most of the carbon cycle takes place in the ocean. So even if Nitrogen is the limiting factor on land (it isn't), it wouldn't be the limiting factor in the ocean.

Nitrogen is incredibly abundant on planet Earth. Literally 70% of the atmosphere. Carbon was so scarce, plants had to evolve special leaves to extract it directly from the air. Whereas they could just passively absorb nitrogen from the soil (it's so abundant)

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>>134413958
The chart you posted was of the last 11,000 years.
How are the last 4.5 billion years changing the argument?
We have detailed records of Climate going back the entire history of the planet and we know that the two main drivers of climate are solar energy and CO2. Pic related is a graph showing the combined forcing of sun and CO2 against global temperatures. As you can see there is a clear correlation. And solar activity has been steady recently so there is one thing to clearly blame - CO2

>B-But SUVs and whores are pure EVIL
I never said this. I understand how importance fossil fuels have been but we have a responsability to the future generations to stop burning them and find alternatives.

>It's gonna stop snowing any winter now!!
Actually certain areas are predicted to see more snow as warmer air holds more water vapour

>When you start crying to reduce overpopulation caused by bleeding heart faggots like yourself sending unlimited food to places like Africa, I might hate you a little less.
No, I agree with you completely on this. I am merely pointing how stupid it is, and dangerous and irresponsible, to attack climate science for no reason.

>We Needz Moar Noble Savages!!1!
>Gibs Moneys Plox!!!
AGAIN, I don't see where I have posted anything like this. I am trying to post Scientific evidence for the claim that man made CO2 emissions are driving current climate change.

>>134408901
Hey faggot, respond to this >>134411857

>>134413964
"Climate science" is basically the latest doomsday cult.

You need to figure out how to crack the prepper market, that's where the doomsday, when SHTF, monies are at.

It's difficult since preppers don't like your globalist agenda - but it may be possible.

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>>134414051
>deniers are religiously motivated
So are True Believers.

>Hottest month EVAR!!!!!!!
Really?

>Well, Hottest Month in Human History!!!!!!
Really?

>Well, Hottest Month in 160 years.
Really?

>Well, Hottest Month since standards were established in 1965.
We are in the middle of an Interstadial, after all.

>RACISS!!

>>134407378
The same thing that caused it in the last 4.5 billion years.

>>134407378
>using 3 data points to show a 90 year trend
>these data points have any significance when the earth is billions of years old

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_oscillation

>>134407474
This. So deceptive.

>>134414066
read up on historic climates. Ice cover periods have been very few and very short. Over 95 percent of the time in the past 550 million years (relevant period after the Cambrian biological explosion) the poles were not covered in ice and most of that time, the land masses close to the equator were all giant hot deserts.

>>134414273
>your globalist agenda
Say what?

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Rather than asking is global warming real, and if its man made, ask why its being politicised.

We are switching our consumption of fuel to electric energy produced domestically using solar, wave, wind and bio and away from fuels that are purchased from developing nations outside the West.

This is the main reason for everything. Fuel security and economic empire. Its probably a good thing for us.

>>134414306
>So are True Believers.
Sure, but I do not care about the Al Gores, I care about the scientists and they are not believers.

The moment a denier can show a single coherent peer reviewed article which actually challenges the IPCC conclusions, is the moment deniers morph into skeptics. The problem is, Lord Monkton isn't a scientist and everyone knows it.

>>134414483
Climate change is to favorite tale globalists tell to get people to agree to establishing global governance structures.

There are at least two options for climate doomsday cultists to make money. Push it in prepper/conspiracy/cult circles to get money from people who will buy supplies, fancy equipment, build underground shelters and indoor farms or whatever the cult pushes.

Unfortunately this doomsday cult is more despicable and chooses to subvert the free market and reach directly into the pockets of everyone through taxation.

Climate scientists are nigger tier scientists, if gender studies could be called a science it would be equivalent. So they leech off government gibs.

It's disgusting desu.

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If climate change is man made then why is Mars experiencing it too?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/31/mars-also-undergoing-climate-change-ice-age-retrea/


Either it's not man made or you have to argue that there are people driving SUVs and burning fossil fuels on Mars. So which is it?

>>134414712

>stop consuming anything that is not essential for your survival
>globalist agenda
You're still not making sense.

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>>134414482
>read up on historic climates.
Suddenly, this nigger cares about shit that happened before 1965.

Are you here to share your Climate Change testimony as well, brother?

Clovis First" was a consensus as well.
Now, it’s a discredited hypothesis due to the evil Deniers and Heretics who continued the scientific process while ignoring bullshit consensus. Because of a few well funded bullies and blowhards, “Science” has become a politically correct religion.

For the past 60 years, any discoveries of settlements in the Americas have been ridiculed and discarded if they were dated earlier than the Clovis culture. Only now, as Clovis First proponents are finally dying off, are we acknowledging and studying obviously earlier settlements.

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>>134414162
https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/the-nitrogen-cycle-processes-players-and-human-15644632
>Nitrogen gas (N2) makes up nearly 80% of the Earth's atmosphere, yet nitrogen is often the nutrient that limits primary production in many ecosystems. Why is this so? Because plants and animals are not able to use nitrogen gas in that form
Most plants can't use the abundant nitrogen in the atmosphere. Humans are disrupting the nitrogen cycle with agriculture and causing major problems.

As for the claim that Nitrogen isn't a limiting factor to life in the oceans, that simply isn't true.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130224142723.htm

Also, as earth warms up, the oceans warm
Warm oceans hold less Oxygen, causing ocean anoxia.
Anoxic oceans have no nitrogen.
Anoxic oceans support no life.
So even if increased CO2 leads to greener planet, it still leads to warmer oceans via basic greenhouse effect, which leads to higher chance of oceanic dead zones.

I don't disagree that certain areas are greening but I don't think this matters.
Yes, a gradually greener planet would be good but we are currently causing changes so rapid that the extinction of species is accelerating rapidly, which far outweighs any benefits to biodiversity

>>134413937
Chemical composition of wood:
>chemical composition of wood varies from species to species, but is approximately 50% carbon, 42% oxygen, 6% hydrogen, 1% nitrogen, and 1% other elements (mainly calcium, potassium, sodium, magnesium, iron, and manganese) by weight.

Chemical composition of Chlorophyll:
> C55H72O5N4Mg
>14 to 1 ratio of Carbon to Nitrogen

Wew lad, I sure am worried about these plants being starved of Nitrogen. It seems way more important than Carbon. It's not like there are plants which actually add Nitrogen to the soil

>>134407378
>If not man-made global warming, who causes the melting of glaciers?
Not-man-made global warming.

>>134407378
WHO IS CAUSING GLOBAL WARMING?
Is it..?
http://www.strawpoll.me/13495024

>>134407378
>Buy ice cream from store, it starts to melt from heat
>Put ice cream in freezer to be cold and icy
>Take ice cream out to eat it, it defrosts and is good
>Put ice cream back in freezer

Whitey kills planet mofucka' gibs nigga bitch ass nigga white people are evil fuck trump global warming buy over priced solar panels china is the cleanest country in the universe

>>134414854
There is no emphasis in the climate cult for reduced consumption. It is predominantly focused on setting up global power structures and extracting wealth from nations (like the Paris Agreement).

You may have been influenced to reduce your personal consumption which is nice but it doesn't change what talk of climate change is being used to bring about.

>>134407378
the interglacial period that started thousands of years ago

>>134413308
Thank you anon. This will be useful. These fucks play us for imbeciles and unfortunately a major portion are. The emperor truly wears no clothes.

>>134414409
Who semen this demon?

>>134415229

You like hogs, anon?

>>134415020
>There is no emphasis in the climate cult for reduced consumption. It is predominantly focused on setting up global power structures and extracting wealth from nations (like the Paris Agreement).
That part I agree with. Global power structures are the cause not the solution and shit like the paris agreement are utter failures. I'm not part of the climate cult, but just because they have no solution doesn't mean it won't happen.

I'm not personally worried, as I'm a bitter old man and time will prove me right. Although I will probably not live long enough to witness it, would be nice to know that humans won't go extinct along with myself.

I don't even think it can be stopped anymore. The planet is like a body that already died and we're still arguing if it's still alive or not just because the decaying process is barely starting.

https://youtu.be/eZ0Skis_Pc4

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>>134407378
I guess you believe in (((science)))

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Do you idiots actually think glaciers aren't retreating when all data and observable evidence says otherwise? OP pic is obviously stupid as fuck, as it isn't necessary to use trickery like this to show the fact

https://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v10/n2/full/ngeo2863.html

>Using only meteorological and glacier observations, and the characteristic decadal response time of glaciers, we demonstrate that observed retreats of individual glaciers represent some of the highest signal-to-noise ratios of climate change yet documented. Therefore, in many places, the centennial-scale retreat of the local glaciers does indeed constitute categorical evidence of climate change.

Obviously not all glaciers are retreating (http://ruby.fgcu.edu/courses/twimberley/EnviroPhilo/debriscover.pdf explains some more)

But this should still concern you, especially considering many of the worlds breadbasket areas rely on glacier fed rivers.

>>134415020
Why do you think it is a conspiracy?
You realise that fossil fuel companies fund climate science denial right?

>>134407378
they aren't melting retard. polar ice has been increasing the past few years.

>>134415380
Dude, do you know what glaciers are? Yes? No?

>>134415410
fake news

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>>134415439
yeah look at it grow

inb4 more ice than 2012 proves growth.

>>134415439
Glaciers usually "melt" from ablation. This is a natural process where the material of the glacier evaporates into the air. This is why glaciers recede even though the air around them never goes above 0 Centigrade. For example, this is why the glacier on the top of Mt. Kilimanjaro has receded, despite the temperature at the top of the mountain never rising high enough to melt water

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>>134413239
The problem isn't CO2 nor even carbomonoxide its methane and other greenhouse gasses.

Even then I don't get it. Methane even if its locked at the bottom of the sea is still a viable source of fuel. When it begins to unfreeze there is a brief moment when it very easy to just gather up and store for burning in controlled environments.

Global warming even if it is caused by man is controllable and avoidable with technology. Only thing keeping us from going to alternative sources of energy is the petrojew.

Also the positive aspect of ridding our selves of the dependency from oil would decrease Saudi and Iranian influence over us which means we can finally do something about them or at the very least decrease our business dealings with them so they can't use our petrodollars to fund Islamic terror and Islamic conquest world wide.

>>134415567
reminder that this is an el nino year

>>134415562
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/fight-misinformation/exxonmobil-report-smoke.html#.VQI7Xo7F-WU
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/21/climate-change-denier-willie-soon-funded-energy-industry

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>>134407378
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_period

>>134415658
El Nino ended in 2016. The ice is never coming back, we're locked in to losing summer sea ice unless we Geoengineer the arctic with aerosols.

>>134415667
>the guardian
>UNION of concerned scientists
Literally communism

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>>134415714
>The ice is never coming back
see you next year

>>134407378
>man-made

Your proof?

>>134407378
The completely normal cycles of Earth.

>>134415747
I don't mean 'it has all vanished'. I mean that the multi-year ice that has melted is being replaced with younger and younger ice. The trend is sharply and clearly downwards. We almost certainly get a September blue ocean event by 2030. Dark oceans absorb more water, which warms the arctic more, which prevents ice regaining quickly and causes more loss each year. It is simple feedback.

>>134415741
>ad hominem

>>134414933
>I don't disagree that certain areas are greening but I don't think this matters.
By "certain areas" you mean "everything", am I correct? >>134412599

>>134415848
Yes, it's all positive feedbacks. No negative feedbacks. We're totally doomed, runaway trends forever

>>134407378
>glaciers melting
>Antarctida is falling apart
>Russia is still cold as fuck
Not so global huh. Fuking hoax.

>>134415924
>from quarter to a half of vegetative lands is everything

As you are willing to accept NASA's conclusion that earth is greening are you also willing to accept their conclusions that humans are causing climate change, and that this is bad?

If not, why?

>>134414933
>Anoxic oceans have no nitrogen.
Wew lad, if the oceans temperature rises 1 degree suddenly the ocean holds 0 nitrogen and we all die

Remember it takes centuries for the oceans to warm significantly. Remember it has been much warmer in the past, somehow the temperature came down again (looks like there are negative feedbacks after all, really makes you think)

>>134407378
The last shot was also taken from farther away, making it look like the glacier had receded more than it.had. Plus, the yhird.pic.looks like summer, when glaciers naturally recede, before gaining again in the winter.

>>134415963
Name the negative feedback that will prevent sea ice melting.
Then explain why it isn't already happening whereas the positive feedbacks (reduced albedo, loss of permafrost etc) are.
I don't want this to happen. I wish there were enough negative feedbacks to prevent this but there aren't. We can see from earths history that rapid CO2 rise can cause rapid change in climate (see the end permian) so we know these feedbacks happen and are very bad for the arctic.

>>134411857

Replying to more than one post at a time should be bannable I'm sick of assholes like this thinking I'm going to read all THAT

>>134416109
Cloud formation

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>>134413490
loved this book.

wonder how long it will take that hollywood will ruin this child memory with sjw cuckholdry, like they recently did with the dark tower.

>>134416109
>We can see from earths history that rapid CO2 rise can cause rapid change in climate (see the end permian)
We can see that in the billion year history of the Earth, two trends coincided coincidentally for unknown reasons. No way to prove causation without resorting to wild speculation.

The idea that CO2 is the primary forcing agent in temperature is patently ridiculous. CO2 is a trace gas that is barely even measurable in the atmosphere. It's not even a strong greenhouse gas, methane and water vapor are much much stronger

The only way you get a runaway warming trend is if you only consider positive feedbacks and ignore all negative feedbacks

>>134415559
>(((glaciers)))
yea, I know, kike
take your manmade climate change hoax back to kikeland
no one with IQ above 83 will believe in it, it's 2017 ffs

>>134407378

Green > White

fuck whities

>>134416099
The last time anoxic oceans happened on a large scale was during the end permian.

>http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/32815525/wignallTwit1996.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1500639167&Signature=cwZxUSSJm0qQRE8X%2ByHrFdPIjcU%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DOcean_anoxia_and_the_end-Permian_mass_ex.pdf

This would have been somewhere between 6 and 10 degrees warmer average temperature than today

If we keep burning fossil fuels this range would probably be reached between 2100 and 2200 (based on a huge number of studies). Maybe you don't care about the oceans poisoning the future of our species but I do.

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>>134416353
moorish cocksucker get fucked

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>>134415113
No problem, here is a better one though.
Made the first frame too short on original

>>134407378
melting ice takes a long time.

it took almost 100 years to melt that particular block of ice.

it started melting before humans mass produced co2

>>134416394
>This would have been somewhere between 6 and 10 degrees warmer average temperature than today
I'm assuming this is Centigrade? You realize how fucking massive this is?

First of all, ocean temperature lags atmospheric temparature by hundreds of years. Because it takes a long ass time for the ocean to absorb all the heat to actually raise it's temperature significantly. Second of all, even the most extreme predictions would never assert that we'll raise the average global temperature by anywhere near 10 degrees. The most I've seen is 1 degree, maybe 2 degrees.

Finally, technology 200 years from now is going to be totally different. But we have to get over the hump first, and part of that is building a modern economy, which means you need to burn gasoline

>>134407378
>glaciers have literally never melted at any point before the industrial revolution
of course.

>>134407378
It's not difficult, yet libcult tards can't see what's right in front of them. The ice age has been receding for many millennia now, but somehow it's all whitey's fault because self-hating mentally ill self-genociders have successfully run a con on people. Worst part, since it's really about leveraging self-hating white cucks to dominate whites, now that the self-hating white cucks have imported savages into white countries and made them "scientists", the white blaming only strengthens.

It's degenerate to realize that compounding feedback loops exist, but not even be able to see that's precisely what's going on as you destroy your own culture and society to benefit others who don't give a shit about you or your delusional and mentally sick fantasy of "diversity"

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>>134416237
Cloud formation works both ways though. Also we have no evidence to demonstrate that this would be sufficient to prevent warming

>http://science.sciencemag.org/content/330/6010/1523
>A small negative feedback is possible, but one large enough to cancel the climate’s positive feedbacks is not supported by these observations

>>134416314
CO2 being a trace gas is not relevant. You wouldn't drink water that was 0.03% arsenic.

>Methane
Methane in the atmosphere is increasing. Warming is also melting permafrost, which is another feedback, which releases methane. It could also disestablish sub sea methane hydrates which would release even more methane

>Water Vapour
Warm air holds more water so yes, this will be happening

>Runaway warming
I don't know what you mean by this.
It is perfectly feasible for a medium term warming of 4-8 degrees centigrade, which is more than enough to cause huge devastation to humanity. I don't see the earth becoming like Venus if that is what you think.

I am not ignoring negative feedbacks, there is just no reason to believe that they can overwhelm the positive feedback. The only negative feedback that might help is human induced, spraying aerosols to reduce solar irradiance, or removing CO2 from the air rapidly.

>>134416614
>humans mass produced co2


forest fire and volcano "mass produced co2" not humans

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>>134416545
try again kike, looks like you melted solid rock

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>>134407549
>those are permaglaciers
>*looks 150,000 years ago*
>hmm no glaciers

Gee, humans must have been going crazy with that wacky new technology "fire"

>*looks 3,500 years ago*

WHOA they're even smaller than today! WOW

Now that I'm done making fun of you for being a brainlet. The answer is "natural climate cycles the Earth has been going through since it cooled a billion years ago." Now please KYS

>>134407549
why would something made out of ice not melt when present in an area where the temperature during summer exceeds the freezing point?

>>134416621
I have a very hard time thinking we can just rely on future technology to save us. It makes no sense. We didn't do that with the Ozone layer, we took action on it and fixed the issue. If we have said 'in 30 years they'll invent a magic ozone fixing device' we'd be fucked right now. Relying on future magic tech is leftist tier stupidity. The fact is, we need to remove CO2 from the air and quickly, as it is already at 410ppm which is very unstable for us and provides a net energy imbalance. No technology exists to do this on a large enough scale so we should be doing everything with the available technology to try and stop emitting more CO2 at least.

>>134417000
The point of no return was decades ago. The future technology we need to save us are flood defenses and machine guns at the borders.

Not that high tech.

>>134416767
>I am not ignoring negative feedbacks, there is just no reason to believe that they can overwhelm the positive feedback.
There's no reason to believe positive feedbacks will overrun negative feedbacks. Because the truth is, you don't know jack shit. Nobody does. It's why climate predictions have been so hilariously wrong.

You're asserting that we should cripple the global economy and kill hundreds of millions of people because of your foaming-at-the-mouth theories that have no relevance to reality. This is completely insane.

CO2 being a trace gas is very relevant. Because it doesn't have much of an effect on warming. However, it does have a massive effect on plant growth and the carbon cycle.

By the way, I notice you didn't respond to this: >>134414942

>>134416836
it doesnt matter, the reason they are melting is not because of volcanoes or forest fires or human co2. we have had cycles of ice ages and warmer climate. the ice started melting before humans released co2, it takes a long time to melt a glacier, we are seeing the continuation of a process that has been going on for thousands of years

in addition all of the co2 we use has at one point been part of the atmosphere when life thrived more then ever before in our history. carbon based life consume carbon at a rapid pace as it dies and gets buried. mass extinctions buries billions of tons of carbon trapped in dead life all at once. without humans digging up the carbon and returning it to the atmosphere the planet would eventually have gone extinct

>>134417118
CO2 isn't even an effective greenhouse gas past 200ppm.

>>134416767
the methane clathrate gun has been shown to be a non issue

>>134416901
Kike? What?
I just put the 1985 pic over the 2011 and tried to match it.

>>134417140
>without humans digging up the carbon and returning it to the atmosphere the planet would eventually have gone extinct
Facepalm.png

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>>134417423
We sure do have a much lower level of biomass than in times past

The amount of biomass that can exist is directly corellated to the amount of carbon above the surface

>>134417423
>Sweden

Don't take notice, his brain melted after first wave of sandnigggers flooding his land

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>>134407378
Oh Shit!
>How many us tax dollars will it take to make the scary feeling go away? A Billion ? A quadrillion? A specially invented numerical number know as Q+? How much Anon? I just want Global climate warming change to go away.

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>>134407378
busted

This blatant ignorance of fact is why /pol/ is the joke board

>>134417560
this.

so basically, in the upcoming milleniums, this planet will see bigger and bigger life froms again.

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>>134417963
oh fug

>>134417963
Can you not see that ice is receeding towards the point of perspective, not left-right?

>>134407378
before dinosaurs. giant marshmallows roamed the earth. As they have no skeletons, there is no fossil record of them or proof they existed.

>>134418053
Nice blatant ignorance of fact.

>>134407378
WHO CAN I GIVE MY MONEY TO SO THAT THE CLIMATE NEVER CHANGES???!?1one??!1? (even though the climate has changed dramatically throughout earth's history)

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>>134418153
You know NOTHING

anti climate change = pro globalism
supporting more international travel = globalism = enviromental change. also using fossil fuel only makes them richer but peanut minded americans will always listen to their overlords

>>134418053
I'm not sure looking at an image and realizing what the image is showing is ignorance. Look how the water started further forward and in smaller stride

>>134417963
confirmed, OP really IS a faggot.

>>134407378
Did man cause the Ice Age?

>>134412737

This is an observational study. It is not possible to determine causation from an observational study, you need a control.

Learn basic statistics.

>>134417976
>scientific truth is based on consensus not actual empirical observation
>t. brainlet with no proofs only whinging about "MUH 999999% of scientists agree" despite that study misrepresenting a lot of people's position and scientists complaining about it after it was published

Sorry if I don't value people's opinion when they demonstrate a lack of nuance and intellect.

>>134418250
The word "pussy" comes from the legendary reptile known as Pussasauraus Rex, notorious for surviving by biting off and eating other dinosaur's penises.

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>>134418546
>kekistan flag
I have the weirdest feeling that when the rate of CO2 output and average temp increase are so closely tied, that perhaps maybe 99999999% ARE right

>>134418722
They're not though. Temperature increases and decreases have been shown to trail CO2 levels by thousands of years. There's no explanation, not even an attempt, because climate change is a religion. And in addition, as I said, CO2's scaling as a greenhouse gas past 200pm is abysmal

All these people talking about how it's normal and natural and just a cycle.
Fuck all of you. As a species, we can't survive outside of an ice age. We can't LET this ice age end. We need to be doing everything in our power to cool the earth. We have the tech, we just need to force the earth to bend to us instead of letting it do it's own, natural thing.

Fucking planet is already 10 degrees to warm as it is. We need to drop yearly temperate by about 20f and then it'll be nice and comfy again.

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>>134418931
>ignoring data
I'd expect nothing less from r/the_donald

>>134419073

> he thinks correlation implies causation

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>>134419073
Shut the fuck up you stupid nigger lover. I use the flag ironically (and to falseflag RTD lol), but you're a reddit refugee that doesn't understand board culture so what did I expect? Go back to /r/socialism

>>134416963 Go ahead and explain this champ

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>>134411979
things were better back then

>>134407378
The sun.

>>134419071
I look forward to Canada becoming a giant glacier again in the near future

>>134420179
So do I. Like I said. Humans can't live outside an ice age, we need to cool this fucking place back down again.

>>134419258
Oh, so is some giant robot producing CO2 at the exact same rate as heat?

>>134419383
>uses it ironically
Yeah why do you think I called you the_donald, faggot. Yeah natural cycles love to spiral upwards in a feedback loop that's literally never been seen before. The fact is the "natural cycle" myth has been propagated by the GOP for longer than you claim to have been "red-pilled" by it, it's just their propaganda machine taking another victim

>>134413981
Yeah 250 million years ago !