Holy shit. Old guy BTFO Toronto. Is there ANY government that

>>134372393
free labor + cost difference between concrete and wood
what a shitty thread

>>134372393
Enjoy being sued if anyone even gets a splinter.

>>134372393
national socialism

also 550 is alot for what he even made, the materials are maybe 150 for those stringers and timber

>>134372393
the city will probably tear them down, can't have citizens showing them up and stopping the bribe train

>>134372710
even if they had to replace the steps every year it'd be 100 years before they came close to spending 65k dollars.

>>134372710
I do construction work for the state, You have no idea how awful they are at spending, I've seen an easy job that is easily worth $10,000 dollars escalated and blow up to be about $100,000 final cost and still the product was only worth $10,000 dollars.

The state is god awful with money i witness it on a daily basis

>>134372710
free labor + cost difference = 164450 dollars? fuck just build it with wood then, and if the labor really is that expensive no wonder your jobs are being taken by illegals ffs.

>>134372393
It's pretty funny. He hired a homeless guy and they did it together in a day.

Assblasted city workers are saying it's an unsafe structure and want to rip it down.

>Be Old dude
>Wait 80 years for city to build some god damn stairs t your local park
>Finally they start looking for contractors
>$65,000
>OHFUCKNO.jpg
>Higher a homeless man to build your stairs instead
>$550
>Problem solved
>City catches wind of this
>They're mad because you proved government is an expensive useless mess
>Fine you for building on city property without a permit
>Rip out the steps you built
>Force you to pay for the work it took to rip out the steps you built
>Still no stairs to your local park

>>134373126
>mexican tries math

>>134373227
Bureaucracy 101

>>134373227
>>They're mad because you proved government is full to the brim with graft & corruption

Union corruption
plain and simple.

>>134372393
our governments are all useless, they no longer serve their purpose and in most cases actually work against the people.
They need to be removed.

>>134372393
>$550
Holy shit, i'd probably do them for $50 or so

>>134373227
>someone falls down Steps
>they sue city for millions because steps dont meet regulation
Nice reddit opinion though

>>134372710
Lol no. 6500 for concrete, labor, rails and all the benefits that 4 days of labor should cost.

>>134372393
The colonial governments were extremely efficient in some instances. An apartheid like state is lucrative for obvious reasons, and has been the norm in many countries. From what I understand Russia actually functioned this way for quite some time, with Nordic leaders ruling over the Slavic population. My history is a bit fuzzy though.

In general a government will expand indefinitely because an institution, once created, will not allow it's own destruction. So your best case scenario is a newly formed government, which is created by men from a developed civilization, and is ruling over a people that are wholly dominated. They don't have to be ethnically distinct but that obviously makes it simpler.

This might not be the best for the actual people but it will be very efficient

>>134373540
Perhaps material costs are uber cheap in Russia. 550 seems spot on with the number of steps and labor, if he hired a homeless guy. Granted i dont believe those steps are built to code, they'd need a second rail, but it would be like another 100 or so to add that on after the fact.

>>134373667

>city puts a sign on the stairs that says "privately built steps, you at own risk".

wow so hard.

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>>134373667
>Make steps riser 7in by tread of 11in
>Place guard rails at 42 inches
Regulations met
>Be democrat
>Spend 4million dollars on an electrical contract for a local school
>Electrical contract laughs because state fucked up so badly on the cost they spend 3million more dollars then they needed because they weren't careful with the free money they get through taxation

Img is me laughing every time I do contract work for the state and they load me up with money because they cant do anything right.

>>134373667
There are steps all over placed where people aren't sued. Obviously there are no current ways to get to said parks so we're not even taking handicap accessibility into it. Even with handicap accessibility and a huge ramp to go with it, mad of concrete, you're looking at maybe 13k cost total, markup adding another 2 maybe 3k.

Permitting is probably a bitch, but given its for a public resource it probably wouldn't be too bad.

>>134373943
>>cost of sign $64,450+ citys tip

>>134373667
>implying modding the steps to meet regulations costs an additional 65k

While I agree regulations need to met so the city/builder can cover their ass, its still a disgusting waste of money.

>>134374142
>>134373943
>well if he didnt do what he did, he could have done it right!
Are you ironically redditposting?

>>134373913
I can go chop some god tier trees here in Manchuria for free, indeed. It's certainly cheaper.

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>>134372710
>>134373068
That's because they buy insurance on even the fucking screws in case some fucker gets hurt and decides that the city or one of the treasury drones is liable. Then they insurance the final product on top of everything else.

Plus, the people are retard desk jockeys that don't haggle, get fucked 5 ways from Sunday by alpha business people, and only buy from trendy and "reputable" service providers like Geek Squad that charge 5x the market price.

>>134374489
geek squad do make the best staircases

>>134374599
I'm serious. Instead of calling an electrical/alarm company to wire the ethernet and coax in the walls, they called over fucking Geek Squad.

I was floored.

>>134374815
>Letting Geek Squad near anything, ever.
Lel you are lucky to have a building still.

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>>134374319
Please dude, I sit in the meetings with the town representatives (clerks) twice a week because they want to throw more shekels at me for shit THEY fucked up! I fucking love it!

>School I'm working on is 3 weeks out from completion
>Everything they want done is done
>Building is Completely built and ready to be occupied
>Town representatives come in THREE FUCKING WEEKS FROM OPENING
>Tell me they want the place rebuilt to add in a few bullshit things they just decided they want
>BE ME
>RIP DOWN WHOLE BUILDING LAUGHING MY ASS OFF
>State throws shekels at me constantly
>I warn them its going to cost a fuck load
>I warn them ahead of time
>They still dont care or listen
>State double the project cost because they are so incompetent
>Be me anon
>Laugh my ass off
>Collect fuck loads of money
>Be you
>Defend this ridiculous shit
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAH

>>134375079
They paid $5,000 to hang a consumer 30" television on the wall because they wanted evidence of "professional installation" in case it ever fell on anybody.

>$5,000
>for an install

>>134372710
>free labor + cost difference between concrete and wood
and? the point is government sucks at what it does and private citizens can do it better, this story illustrates that perfectly.

>>134375099
well in one way i respect you. you've taken the money all of us pay in taxes, including yourself, and when the government wastes it, you've positioned yourself so that you get all your money back, plus shitloads more. very smart.

>>134372393
The price was 65,000 to 150,000.

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>>134372393
You realize the 65,000 Canadia pesos represented 64,450 pesos of graft.

>>134373667
somebody falls down hill, sues city because no steps

>>134372393
Governments time is up. They know it we know it. All we have to do it put more info in the public eye. Like film documentaries. 2020 the start of no government

>>134374815
>Geek Squad
somebody's scratching somebody else's back, that's why

government never hires the best; they always hire their friends

>>134375269
So this is the highly skilled labor I can't do because I didn't go to college.

I'm just going to neck myself because I've literally had to take down and put back up a tv a shop I used to work at before and I was like 10 cents above minimum wage.

>>134374489
>all that mental gymnastics for a clear cut case of corruption

In my country, an A4 AMD PC worth $200 pesos was bloated to $1000 in the budget while a desk worth $100 was bloated to $500 in the budget. You just have no idea the amount of corruption is in the government. This was a city budget for my department too to boot.

>>134375402
I know, But 100% of the time i try to warn them ahead of schedule about future problems they are going to have and i warn them that if they procrastinate on them its going to cost them double in the future to fix.

What do they do
>IGNORE IT
Thats why i laugh my balls off when retards defend them and say "the state is good with money"

>>134375483
people had already fallen down that hill multiple times & already requested/complained/whatever for city to do something. city just said "lol we'll get to it sometime" and effectively went back to playing candy crush on their phones

>>134375672
Not saying that 80% of budget "deficits" isn't caused by corrupt people who don't give a fuck.

Saying that a lot of people here a fucking retarded and won't go beyond what the assigned role printed on the piece of paper that their college gave to them.

>>134375269
>$5k to set up a fucking TV

Haah waaw. I thought it was laughable when Best Buy offered to install my wifi router for $300. They must go all out when it comes to business transactions.

>>134375705
>the state is good with money
only the cultural marxist infiltrators and other paid shills say those kinds of things; average citizens all know that government just wastes money.

>>134376015
when it comes to "professional services", especially the technical kind that Joe DumbConsumer thinks must be a lot of geek mumbo-jumbo, i think that paying more money gives Joe DumbConsumer this weird magical aura of "having done the right thing" by "letting the professionals take care of it"....and the more money paid, the better, generally speaking.

>>134375269
>that much for a sub 3' tv

The laughter stops here.

a home theater system? fine, $5k. A fucking Vizio and some cheap wallmount plus installation is $500, tops. Probably with a cheap Bluray player thrown in.

>>134375992
Most people in government don't even try to haggle because THEY ARE IN on it. They get a cut of the pie hence they purposely bloat the budget. They do this with legal hocus pocus of course by explaining that since this is loaned from an institution, they have to factor in "interest" into the budget. Oftentimes, the institution loaning to the government are govt employees themselves or those in positions of power like your local councilor.

Like I said, corruption. You just have no idea how the game is played. Governments stopped being for the people a long time ago when democracies replaced monarchies. At least with monarchies, if the govt was corrupt, the ruling class didnt have to pretend that the money they took to the coffers was for the king/ruler. Now they bloat the budget and pocket the massive extras and people just eat it up when your local government claims it's for the people.

>>134376951
Nope, not 100% of the time. Sometimes they are just fucking stupid.

>>134372393

a mexican would have done it for $50

>>134377082
>Sometimes they are just fucking stupid
maybe 2% or 3% of the time. the rest of the time it's all about the corruption/nepotism/backscratching baby

>>134377082
>corrupt people doing hocus pocus is stupid

Keep telling yourself that. If Island People with an average IQ of 87 can come up with intricate details that complex in order to steal money, just think of the intricate plans these corrupt white bois can come up. You're just not thinking outside the box and being street smart about it. A small portion of stupid people not knowing what they're doing is miniscule in government. Most of time, bloated budgets are simply due to corruption. No other explanation needed to be honest.

>>134372789

> civil suits
> in canada

lmao my aunt was just murdered by a rich guy like 2 weeks ago and it's not even worthwhile to sue the guy or any of the people who fucked up along the way to make it possible.

civil suits pay pretty much nothing in Canada unless you can prove lost wages

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>>134372710
>the State is spending wisely when it pays half the price of a fucking HOUSE for eight steps
>mfw statist logic

>>134377728
>most people do X
>that means that every single dude also does X
Nice to know that this new hire in some backwards nook of some government department is making deals with random people a Best Buy and shitty California based firms that he's actually never met before. This lowly hire must know fucking everybody in the state.

No faggot, believe it or not, some people actually buy the Apple iCare.

>>134372393
http://archive.is/qmlHh

>>134378030
>government is corrupt
>no, it's just faggot nobody at desk A that gets to call all the shots

Here is how I know you have no clue how government works. The fag nobody on desk A that only encodes and got his job due to political appointments and favors don't call the shots, the city council and mayor does. Desk jockeys do jack shit in the government. Even department heads can't do anything without city bigwigs' approval (mayors, councilors, business partners of mayors, etc.).

You must be a government shill if you vehemently deny corruption doesn't exist on the level I described. The fact that you just ascribe the majority of these bloated budgets due to stupidity of Mr. Nobody at Desk Jockey A is laughable.

I do commercial work in construction.
It's 10-15k to do those stairs with concrete and metal rails anchored to the concrete.
3k for excavation with a dump truck and mini excavator
3-6k for the concrete
3-5k for the rails
Job is small enough that an engineer is not needed.
excavation and concrete poured in 1 day.
let it set for a week, drill anchors install rails.

>>134378825
>t. Govt shill

>>134378706
its terrible when their big whig shows up.
spend a couple hours the day before tidying up the jobsite just for them to walk around in dress shoes and say shit they know nothing about.

>>134378921
start up/show up cost is a bitch.
now if they wanted to do a fuckton of stairs in the park, the cost per step would be a shitload lower.

>>134378706
>phillapino can only think in absolutes
Learn English you subhuman piece of trash. I was talking about one dude and you bring this shit up about how every single fucker behaves. I'm not talking about the status quo, I'm talking about the less common phenomena of retards who pay Geek Squad's public ticket asking price of $5,000 dollars to hand a fucking television and the guy legitimately has no ties at all to Best Buy or any other trendy company he hires because he's a fucking idoit mouth-breathing poor nobody who probably get's cucked by his wife.

Just like you.

>>134373943

yeah because that looks good, signs everywhere saying "this might kill you and its not our fault btw don't violate the NAP or we will cruise missile your house"

>>134379275
>autistic white boi cant think outside the box

It doesn't surprise me why many of you fall for Nigerian Prince scams. Many of you might have high IQs but damn are you socially ineptand autistic.

>>134372393

No ramp for wheelchairs or mobility scooters?

Um, sorry sweety. But you fucked up.

>>134373667
It's a fucking set of stairs you retarded faggot. If you can't walk down a fucking flight of stairs without killing yourself then you shouldn't be allowed to live

>>134379047
That's the thing about department heads, they are only there to justify why their department deserves to exist and justify their budgets to the bigwigs. Seen this many times in my stint as a govt employee in city hall.

>>134372393
>each step not painted different color of the rainbow
>not a side just for people of color to create a safespace
>able-boddied-ism

it doesnt meet canadian building codes, it will be decommission shortly after the protest tomorrow

>>134378825
>concrete
>metal rails
>$$$$$
legit; toronto probably wanted to put in concrete with fancy curved rails painted in pretty child-friendly colors, no-slip grips on every stair that are weatherproof and designed to last 5,000 years (also in child-friendly colors), a sideramp for those on wheelchairs (even if nobody on wheelchairs ever used this route through the park before), and signposts or plaques to "celebrate" the pillars of the community who supposedly donated to the damn thing....complete with braille translation for the visually impaired (even if they can't find the fucking braille text with their fingers in the first place).

see, the reason why this whole shitshow is a poster child for government inefficiency is because toronto wants to implement a $65,000 solution for what is truly just a $550 problem.

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>>134377912
What the fuck are you trying to say? I'm calling bullshit because your "lmao my aunt was just murdered" haha, so funny she is dead! What a monstrous cunt you must be if this isn't a troll post.

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>>134372710
>falling for the construction jew

>>134380720
both stairs AND ramps are ableist; maybe they should just put in a fucking conveyor belt like in the jetsons

For some degree of fairness, the city can't just build stairs.

They have to put it up for bidding to the construction industry. They need to complete 5 or 6 studies on the suggested designs. Conduct meetings and hearings.

All at the demand of special interest groups like the construction industry and environmental groups.

>>134381197
>They need to complete 5 or 6 studies on the suggested designs

It's fucking stairs man. What do you need 6 studies for it?

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>>134374237
>tfw another $60,000 to pay for jiyza
YAMERO

>>134380828
I heard its a shortcut so I would assume ADA(Canadian equivalent laws) exist on the paths in the park.
Usually as slope cannot exceed 2% except in special situations in US laws I am used to.

>>134372393
>Hillary says speech will cost $100.000, man gives it for $50.
It's called corruption, kiddo.

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>>134379838
This is my sentiment entirely. At a certain point there are basic life skills you need to have merit in society otherwise we are carrying the retard far beyond what is natural. I propose the gom jabbar.

>it only kills what isn't human

>>134374815
>>134375079
>>134375269
>>134376015
Have you guys bought anything on Amazon recently? Look up a listing for RAM, a graphics card or even a video game, and look at the listing.

>DO YOU WANT TO BUY THIS WITH THE "EXPERT" INSTALLATION?

>THATLL BE ANOTHER $135.67

>PLUS TIP

I was floored when I started to notice that on every fucking listing. No, AmaCuck, I dont want to pay some Paco to come in and stick my graphics card into the slot on my computer for an extra hundo plus.

>>134381197
what said is the city likely employs construction maintenance workers who could do the job or public-private companies. These companies/departments are moronic in their inefficiencies.
Talked to a supervisor from hometown that does watermain. We also do watermain. He says in their 40 week they work about 20 hours.
When shit actually needs to get done or its too hard they call us.

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>>134372393
The fuck do they mean not up to safety standards?! Like, what, they want to take 2 months to dig and put in cement? Like literally fucking what.

>>134381526
>why do you need 6 studies for it

The same reason the US government spent $60,000 on a hammer and $40,000 on a toilet seat, its money laundering.

Want to hear something better? My dad works at the EPA lab here in Michigan, they bought a brand new ferrari one year for ONE DOLLAR.

So they could smash it into a wall.

>>134381946
>"b-b-but y-you sh-sh-should let the p-professionals install it! W-What if s-s-something goes wrong??"

>>134382217
no, 3 months

>>134372393
Wtf? Sounds like Russia. Thiefs in government always stole most of budget and then build cheap shit or ask for more till build cheap shit.

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>>134372805
Check this asshole's new clothes.

>>134373667
That's why America never won a war.

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>>134382600
why hwere are those stairs at?
im gonna go slide down them and sue

>>134382487
russian build strong steps not flimsy step

>>134382230
can he get me a job?

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>>134372393
>Is there ANY government that had demonstrated that it is capable of handling its finances?
This is a really good question.

Anyone know if there are any current cities/states/countries that actually handle their finances well?

>>134373667
ahahaha, bait too obvious but at least you hooked a few people

>>134380868

> he doesnt deal with tragedy with humor
it's not funny that she's dead, it's comical that there is literally no recourse towards the guy in terms of financial penalties. Doesn't even have to cover funeral costs for his victim. That followed by someone implying that in Canada you can file a heavy lawsuit for someone getting a minor injury on stairs when even violently murdering someone doesn't set you up to be sued is the funny part. Not that someone was killed.

If you aren't aware of the thin line between tragedy and comedy, I think you're the one with the problem, not me. That or you have problems with reading comprehension, but regardless it's still a you problem.

>>134379591
Want a ramp? Roll down the fucking hill.

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>>134383154
when kept within meems niggers

>>134382933
Nah, hes been there for like 45 years and they wont even let him get a desk job even though he not that long ago had a triple bypass surgery and recently got diagnosed with congestive heart failure. Also they are trying to screw him out of his medical retirement. And he has been blown up, ran over, got electrocuted and lost partial hearing during their "experiments". He has bled for that place, and they just want to brush him away like they did with all of the old guard there, hes one of the last holdouts who even knows what hes doing there (which isnt much. Shit, they had a car engine that ran on water 20 years ago, but it was never meant to get out to the general public for obvious reasons.)

And he has said that for SURE EPA is on its way out, the writings been on the wall from way before Trump even got elected, EPA is some of the "fat" that needs to get cut off from the bloat that is our current government.

>>134383154
hong kong

>>134383746
well i wish him luck in not getting screwed then

>>134372393

The power of practical knowledge.

>>134383965
Yeh, for as much of a dick as he was for a lot of my life, he definitely doesnt deserve the bullshit they have thrown at him all of these years. EPA is definitely a fucking scam money sink of a government "sector".

One cool thing was they got a delorean back in the day that had bags of coke hidden in the back seat cushions. It was apparently one of the cars that the original owner of the company used to try and smuggle drugs and launder money with. When I asked him what they did with it he just smiled and got a far away look in his eyes.

>>134384199
coke party and he wasn't invited i guess?

>>134384519
More likely KING of the coke party, heh.

>>134372710

Concrete is cheap as fuck you dumb ass.

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>>134372393
>>134373068
>tried to open a web-development company
>our small team could design/code circles around entire agencies in huge cities
>govt would post bids at https://www.fbo.gov
>spent days preparing meticulous, god-tier, proposals, and underbid everyone
>you win these bids based on points, not merit

If you are a disabled veteran business-owner you get points:
https://www.sba.gov/contracting/government-contracting-programs/service-disabled-veteran-owned-businesses

If you are a minority business-owner you get points:
https://www.sba.gov/starting-business/how-start-business/business-types/minority-owned-businesses

If you are a woman business-owner you get points:
https://www.sba.gov/contracting/government-contracting-programs/women-owned-small-businesses

If you grease hands or are a combination of the above "points", you auto-win.

>mfw i didn't win a single contract
>mfw some local company working with disabled people opened a web-development department specifically so they could win these local contracts
>mfw it worked

>mfw every single group came before merit
>mfw govt was paying 10-50 times what these projects were worth. bureaucracy is one hell of a drug

>mfw i had to close my business
>mfw roastie wife left me because i was poor
>mfw roastie remarries and some cuck is fucking her brains out and raising my kid to be a liberal

>mfw healthcare.gov was a disaster
>mfw every_single_god_damn.gov looks/functions like some old .NET fag drew it with crayons glued to his dick

>mfw i'm literally leaving this country (don't care where) within the next couple years specifically to open a thriving business, work remotely for USA, and extract the last few dollars from this shithole of a country

Trump can't bring this place back unless he literally declares himself a dictator and turns this place into a meritocracy... which (((he))) won't do.

>>134385445
i feel your pain

>>134374371
You don't know shit about construction, so, please, shut up.
Considering you'll need to anchor stairs to the ground and paint it with good stain i'd say 200 - 300$ in materials.

If the stringers were spread out more then they wouldn't piss me off so much.

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>>134373943
>>134374142
>>134374194
>>134374269
>>134375099
>>134375483
>>134379838
>>134382748
>>134383294
t. plebbitors

Rules work if everyone lives by them. Whether you're reddit brains can understand this or not is irrelevant. If someone fell down the steps and hurt themselves, the city would lose money and then so would all its residents. Regulations exist to keep people safe, and because this geriatric fuck couldnt follow very simple rules, everyone stands to lose. >>>/s4s/ is more suitable for you.

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>>134373068
>>134372710
government retard spending has always been a thing since it's not really their money

Trump got some publicity for taking over the ice rink reconstruction in NY that had been "worked on" for 6 years and finishing it in a few months. All because it was a sore sight from his office in Trump Tower.

>Trump had Wollman Rink up and running by November 1, two months ahead of schedule and $775,000 under budget. Skating stars like Dorothy Hamill, Scott Hamilton, Dick Button, and Aja Zanova-Steindler glided across the ice at the ribbon cutting, with Button declaring the new rink to be like skating on velvet.

>>134385794
It is what it is. Life is brutal.

Rather swallow a thousand red-pills all at once and still have time to do something about it, than finish the last one on my death bed.

This country is cucked so hard it isn't even funny though.

>tax fuck out of working class
>give ton of money to the stupid/weak
>put degeneracy everywhere so we have more roasties than ever

Why? Why do (((they))) do it? This country was good to (((them)))...

>>134385445
>trying to work for the government
well there's your problem

>work remotely for USA
please don't repeat your mistake, and i mean that sincerely

>>134386028
>>134372393

>government retard spending has always been a thing since it's not really their money

As someone that has worked for the federal government, I could not agree with this statement more. The funding given to your program is quite literally determined by your ability to max it out. That is to say, if in a fiscal year you spend far less than what you're slated to spend, you will likely see your budget reduced the following year. To prevent that, agencies spend a shit ton of money August-September on things they don't need so their program doesn't get reduced. I mean literal bullshit stuff, just so they don't lose money the following fiscal year. As such, every year the agency gets more and more bloated without any real need for it.

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>>134386422
>US govt gives jobs to useless retards
>when those useless retards can't do it and are almost out of money, they outsource
>i want to be the one they outsource to and siphon the last fucking drop out of this shithole
money like that in a country like China or India puts you in a mansion with 50 virgins sucking your dick all day.

>please don't repeat your mistake, and i mean that sincerely
That's exactly my point. I'll never believe in this shit government or "muh white race" ever again. :^)

Off to chindia to get my dick sucked in a hot tub while playing vidya.

DM me when America fully collapses and I might help rebuild to be a meritocracy.

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>>134382889
Modern Russia build quality. Remove soviet made mildly beat up borde stoner, install shitty already collapsing modern border stone.

>>134373227
Kinda like what happened here a while back.
>small countryside community with a dirt road access
>road falling into decline due to no maintenance
>govt doesn't do anything despite requests
>locals get together and repair the road by themselves
>govt threatens to sue them because the road is public and none of the people involved in the work had road work safety cards
I have a level II road work safety card, it can be obtained by two courses which a monkey could pass, it's literally just reciting no-brainer safety advice 90% of the time.

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I'd love to support the little guy over the Toronto government but those are really, really shitty stairs. Even if they weren't finished they're just awful.

Just FYI

These stairs are not technically safe... or that good.

https://twitter.com/zchamu/status/888076067168301056

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>>134385806
This. Definitely on the stain, can't tell if it's properly anchored

>>134387727
Bunch of communities here in the US have done that as well, with the same results. Government doesnt like cheaper competition when they can just pocket 90 percent of the cash, spend five percent on the actual project and spend the last five percent on a bonus for whichever local politician set it all up.

>>134388166
yeah. they look total shit and not up to code. I bet he didn't even draw any plans for them or take measurements. that bit of extra effort wouldn't even cost that much more

>>134372393
The stairs quoted for $65000 is from previous projects and parks unrelated just to get a quick quote for possible estimate of cost and budgetting. The stairs made by the stupid fucking old man is horrible. They are not to code, large incline/slope, rails are mounted to the steps and not the ground, narrow stairs, only one rail, no lighting, landings are boxed ground and will be hazards with snow/ice and mud/rain. THe top of the stairs lead to a guardrail for parking lot. Money allocated might be related to remaking the parking lot into a walkway and adding longer walkways.

Nothing relates to the actual costs of labour - the old man worked for free and hired a fucking bum to work under the table. If you use proper, treated wood, this project alone would be several thousand. Add concrete base and it doubles or triples in cost. Add wheel chair accessible ramps and its 5-6 times the cost.

Theres so much missing from this that it is just bad journalism and an easy facebook headline post so people can get made at government.

>>134388166
>>134388337
>>134388781
invasion of the leafs

>>134388781
don't tell me you would fall for that shit of "special sauce"
it would cost less then 5k to do all of that.

>>134373068
>People are bad at spending other people's money
Really? I had no idea

>>134389051
Wow weird, Canadians commenting on an article about a place in Canada. Or did you just not know where Toronto was?

>>134383312
So Trudeau will pay Omar Khadr 10 million for funsies but your family can't get anything for your murdered aunt?

I feel like there's more to the story here.

>>134383647
nixon's move to take us off the gold standard was probably the greatest foreign policy decision america has ever made

>>134389051
>Americans are this fucking obsessed at this point
Wew

>>134388166
I'm alright with that. While I'm not saying to go full kowloon and improvise whatever we need I feel that building codes have become oppressive to a degree unimaginable a decade ago. For a stairway in the park this would be fine and is the most economically efficient solution. The only reason the city didn't fix it before and will tear it down now is because the liability regime is out of control. Not as bad as my country but still too fucked to allow something like this.

Hate to say it but I worked in a major government organisation at the project management level and the amount of waste I saw was mind blowing. Not just the projects, 20-30 people doing the job of a single person. They all know too, they just don't care. I feel like I was probably the hardest worker in the office and I took 2 hour lunch/gym breaks and came in late and left early. I spaced out for half of my 4 hour work day. Still outworked everyone around me.

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>>134383647
>>134389655

>>134389821
My friend works in a government office and she made the mistake of being the only hard worker there. People don't show up or leave early constantly because they know she can just do their entire workload

>>134372393
>Old man who built steps sued for $10m by city of Toronto after woman falls down

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>>134383647
>>134389655
hmm..

>>134372393
Can those stairs handle your average American?

>>134389190
>>134389740
true that.

you guys are still massive cucks tho. how's that C-16 workin' out for ya?

speaking of which, are those just CYA posts so you don't get sent to the human rights gulag?

>>134372710
Hey retard, read the article next time. He paid off a homeless guy to do it

>>134387628
They do the same thing in my area (outside of Pittsburgh). Pave over old shit without tearing out and leveling with doing proper drainage. Shit falls apart quick.

>>134390038
Have you been droned yet?

>>134390106
don't worry i won't report you for thinking independent thoughts

>>134390026
>americans
>taking walks in a park for anything other than shooting up heroin
nah

>>134390038
Fuck niggers

Uh oh it looks like I am going to jail for 10000 years because that's what /pol/ said, so it MUST be true

>>134390209
>>134390337
i see. so this is where the "fucking leaf" memes come from.

>>134390337
Have the balls to post your info when you do it, so someone can actually report you to the diversity police.

>>134372393
Why the fuck are those stringers 10" apart? Thesestairs are going to be a teeter totter after one or two rainfalls. I know that burgers can't into metric, So just set that shit 1050mm apart or 41 3/8" on center and you'll never run into problems. Anything over 1100mm add another stringer in the center and another guard rail. It's code not fucking rocket surgery.

>>134390566
Butthurt, poorly educated Americans? Thats about the size of it, yeah

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>>134389844
>real median income
>not using the real median sales price
This is what any graph looks like when only one number is adjusted for inflation.

>>134372393
>>134372710
>134372710
>>134373068
its not that the gov is awful at being effective, its corruption. these jobs are being done by insiders who get the contracts because of preferential treatment and give a kickback to the city officials who granted them the contract

corruption, its the government. you shouldnt be surprised

>>134385884
>>134375483
Why did you respond with a point that one of the posts you responded to directly contradicted? Are you a bit challenged in cognition?

>>134389306

It was a matter of the government getting sued for allegedly not protecting his guaranteed rights as a Canadian.

Much different than suing some guy for building a set of stairs or even a guy who physically harmed someone.

So lets say your father who is still employed gets murdered by someone, and you can prove that you're a dependent. Then you would be able to bring forward a civil suit to sue for the money he would have made in his life.

However, since my aunt didn't have any dependents, that path isn't available. I mean, I could sue the guy, but the damages would be insignificant and it may not even cover the legal fees.

Omar Khadr can sue for 10 million because he was involved. However, if Omar died, I'm not sure if his nephew would be entitled to a major lawsuit. There would be no way to prove any actual damages.

If some guy fell down and broke his neck/died on those stairs, then maybe the builder could get sued. I am curious though if they would have to prove it's because of poor construction rather than just an accident.

It's not that civil suits don't exist in Canada, it's that they don't really include punitive payments like they do in the US. So the years it takes in court often isn't worth what you'll actually be paid. My family also had a bad experience with a doctor here, and we wanted to file a class action suit against him along with some others of his victims/patients. However, the law firms we took it to told us that while we likely win the case, it would be tied up in courts for years and in the end it probably wouldn't be worth their time.

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>>134373667
same democrat poster in all these threads
mfw

>>134372393

Shit stairs.
You would think the old fucker would have a shelf of This Old House books showing how to make stairs and shit that he could follow but it looks like he went to the store and just threw some shit together.

Is this a sign that I should work in a construction trade?

>>134385445
I know your pain
>start business
>do everything by the book
>all the business goes to illegals first that cut corners and do shit illegally
>then they come to me to fix the shit job the mexicans did after they already paid the mexicants all the money they set aside for their project.

this is why I get people deported and laugh my ass off in every deportation thread. I can't get enough sobbing and tears from these fucking parasites. my entire livelihood was stolen by these faggots so I will do the same. my future is gone for some liberal bullshit dream. FUCKING GET THESE ILLEGAL CUNTS OUT OF MY FUCKING COUNTRY. ICE better step shit up down here.

>>134393310
no, it's fucking shit until all the illegals are either deported or killed.

also, these stairs meet no code on earth, they're not properly anchored in any way, shape, or form, and while spending 65k is definitely not the answer, neither is this. you could definitely do this for under 65k but the city is planning for longevity and higher foot traffic than these stairs could handle. you're probably looking at excavation of that slope with heavy (read, expensive) equipment, installation of a reinforced concrete retaining wall and steps, regulation hand rails, all the shit to keep people from slipping, skaters from skating, and homeless people from homelessing all over the steps, then you have to insure the whole damn thing and do some kind of beautification cause liberals and I can almost guarantee thats a reg in toronto that all new public construction must have a beautification aspect to it; so you'll be looking at installation of planters and trees likely, maybe a sign saying welcome to the park.

still don't think that's 65k worthy but it depends how fast the city wants it done. construction is expensive, the only thing that makes it cheaper is faggot illegals that will work for shit and then only hire other faggot illegals so then no one else can make any money and all the work done is shit.

>>134390785
go to the site, make the new graph then, save the image and upload it. prove me i'm wrong. please.

>>134395063
all that said, I'm all for right wing construction squads going and showing up the city and their overpriced bullshit, but this ain't it. you could use a concrete pier system to anchor it and widen the steps by about 10 ft and still only be looking at a budget of maybe 10-15k even with a sign and maybe some flowers either side. no retaining wall needed either. it'd still be wood and require either annual coating or replacement way before concrete though.

>>134378008
>65,000
>half the price of a house
The average price of a house in Toronto is 1.3mill.

>>134381799
This guy knows what's up.

>>134395063
>>134395380
I forgot about handicapped people. how bigoted of me
>>134396212
yep, you can't just put in stairs, you need to put in a 2% grade ramp for wheelchairs too. that means for a hill like that it's gotta snake around alongside the stairs. don't forget the no slip shit for the grannies that use that instead of stairs as well. you're also gonna need the metal hand rails along the ramp too.

yeah honestly, 65k is a steal. for all the bullshit with permitting and inspectors, and explaining how shit has to be done because of permitting and inspectors to the workers over and over, I wouldn't do it for less tbqhfam. actually I'd charge more cause I don't have the patience for all that shit anymore. I'd be at the higher end of those estimates, like 100k, also cause when I was doing this type of shit I carried a million dollar umbrella insurance policy or more so everyone's ass is covered. most people didn't understand how important that was until they wanted me to come in to fix rot to their home's structure because an uninsured roofer fucked up and directed water into their walls rotting them out.

I forgot how much of a pain in the ass all the regulations make everything. something simple becomes some massive clusterfuck and it's just... it's not worth it and then also having to compete with illegals operating with no overhead that will work for like nothing. margins are so low in the construction industry unless you're huge right now. ugh. stop making me remember. I had way more money then but it was never enough for the effort it took to get it.