Should healthcare be a human right?

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>>134369841
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>>134369841
Should a doctor be forced at gunpoint to offer you a service he spent thousands of his own money to learn how to provide, using equipment that costs even more thousands to build?

No it is not a human right. The only human rights are negative rights, the right to be free from the tyranny of another party enacting something upon you.

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>>134369841
Should coca cola be a human right?

>>134369841
No, not at all

The people who dont want it as a human right change thier minds when its one of their loved ones who has an expensive medical condition.

>>134369841
>Leftists anus blazed that they can't just get health insurance when they're sick and likely just get rid of it when they aren't sick

Go ring up your home insurance provider and try to get fire insurance while your house is a smolder wreck

>>134372082
Cocaine should

>>134369841
Yes, however rights are things that aren't denied to you, not something that is owed to you. Big difference there.

Not when my countrymen are fat, smoke, and do drugs.

I would add drink but I drink so that would be hypocritical

>>134369841

No. Its a service that requires the labor and productivity of skilled and educated people.

Nobody has a right to someone else's labor for no fucking reason. Doctors are peoples personal slaves.

God I fucking hate leftists so much.

>>134372326
If there was a free market in the healthcare sector, said condition for said loved one wouldn't be nearly as expensive if there were many providers competing with each other to get my money.

Unfortunately we have bullshit govt handled healthcare and SHOCKER it sucks ass!

>>134371139
>Should a doctor be forced at gunpoint to offer you a service
yes

>>134372599

Are not*

>>134369841
but having health insurance isn't saving Mccain either

>>134369841
Nope plain and simple.

>>134369841
>>134371139
Yes it's a human right you dumb burgers. the doctors salary should come from the government so they give free health services to people like every country in the world.

Nope. Too many fatties and addicts that we'd have to pay for

>>134369841
Yep. It's your right to pay for it.

>>134372962 Nopety nope.

>>134369841

It is in the U.S.

No one can deny your right to purchase health care.

Unless we're talking about abortions or female circumcision in some places I guess?

>>134369841
No. /thread

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>>134369841
Reality doesn't care if you declare that you have a right to healthcare. Resources are still scarce. The laws of supply and demand still exist. The government can't save you from reality; but luckily the incentives of the free market through division of labor and voluntary contract creates an environment where other people are incentivized to find cures to diseases that you have and then sell them to you at a price you are willing to buy it at!! Amazing right?

>>134369841
I think we should disregard this old question, and ask a moar important one
Should innernets be a humane right///

>>134372744
No, the person didn't have to become a doctor. So you are taking that for granted.

>>134369841
>should you have a right to a service provided by somebody else?
how do you exercise that right?

>>134373259
exactly. you can't bcs its not one. People don't have to become doctors.

no lmao

>>134373390
Why not?

Yes. I also believe guncare should be a human right. Every US citizens should get a free gun and a monthly supply of ammo for said gun.

>>134372326
this

>>134372962
Where do you think the government gets that money, retarded cockmonger?

>>134373259
The gov't pays doctors to... you know, doctor. I don't understand where people get the idea doctors will somehow be forced to perform their services at gunpoint.

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>>134369841
No, you do not have the right to other people's services.

>>134369841
No, next topic.

>>134373522
It would imply that doctor's are a guaranteed resource, which they obviously aren't. The only way to guarantee them would be to force somebody to be a doctor and that infringes upon their rights.

If you declare it a human right then it has to be ALL THE WAY. Meaning if you so choose you can bypass university doctors. Have legal access to buy any and all drugs that you decide is right for your own body.

Having the right to allow doctors and legislation decide what health care you do and don't need is not a right to health care

>>134372326
can we just figure out how to undo women's suffrage so we don't have to worry about emotional arguments like OP ever getting taken seriously ever again?

femininity/estrogen in politics is the cancer that needs to be treated

>>134373468
Taxing the people a small percent of their income for everyone to have universal healthcare.

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>>134372962
Thanks George, I never thought of it that way. Those stem cells won't sustain you forever.

>>134374239
alt. return to a free market system and let me pay competitive prices for my own fucking healthcare and not boogie1488's fat ass.

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>>134372962
And if there are no doctors? Is the government to force you to become a doctor at gunpoint?

>>134369841
Human rights are a meme. There are two types of people:

1. Those able and willing to kill other people dumb enough to try giving them orders or taking their shit.

2. The slaves of type 1.

>>134374239
Yeah, your healthcare is so universal that your government decides to let babies die when the healthcare they need costs more than the government wants to pay like with Charlie Gard.

>>134374710
Increase salaries for doctors so the job will look more attractive. jesus people here are retarded!

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>>134376328
>Still nobody takes the job
>Government is infringing upon your rights by not guaranteeing somebody else is doing something for you

>>134369841
Is healthcare a human right? No. As others have stated here, it is no ones right to have people and resources given without merit and at others expense.

Is it a decent idea to put forward and decide upon whether as a nation state you wish to have a dedicated budget to ensure the nation is capable of treating all of its citizens? Yes definitely.

The concept that healthcare is a human right is part of the main problem to its decay. Its a lack of self awareness of maintaining their own health due to the perceived safety net and the underestimation of what it costs to educate and pay people for their skills and work plus the resources consumed.

>>134376827
then you should import h1b immigrants.exe

>>134371139
Yes, as should burger flippers.
>muh $15/hour
Keep flipping for $7.50 and do it right. As an American, I have a right to a quality burger at a fair price.

Healthcare is not a human right

Think of a situation where you would be truly free. Say, in a cabin in the woods after the apocalypse, or perhaps on a deserted island.

The things you would have living there that are rightfully yours:
>freedom to say whatever you like
>freedom to associate with your family or whoever else you like who happens to be there
>freedom to believe what you like
>freedom to keep the fruits of your labour

Things that you wouldn't have that you would have to work for (these are things that are not rights):
>food
>shelter
>medical care

>>134376075
The issue here is not of the funding but of the ethics. The point is is the child is 100% required to be hooked on life support. It will never have any cognitive quality or capability other than to be an eternal vegetable.

The government intervention in this scenario is simply that there are certain circumstances where Drs can determine the best method of care. The drs determined allowing the child to die was what was best and under certain laws this is legal. The court of law didnt decide to kill the child. It simply chose to recognize the powers bestowed upon the Drs in question and the Drs arent fighting to kill the child. Just simply allow the child to die as that is what has been deemed the most ethical decision.

The baby will never recover. There is no cure. Only the capability to continue the childs shit existence which consists and pissing and shitting itself as it has no thoughts and is fed and breaths through a tube.

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>>134369841
Stop allowing old people to live

>>134369841
yes "human right" as in you have no human right if you don't respect your body by being fat or skeletic because of muscular astrophy.... as in if YOU don't take care of your own health, you shouldn't have access to free healthcare. And you should understand why.

>>134369841
Should a house and a lambo be a human right also?

>>134369841
>implying healthcare would cure inoperable brain cancer

>>134369841
No its not a human right.
Socialized health care is a fucking scam.

>make healthcare a right
>force price controls so its cheaper
>top doctors, scientists don't care to go to school 12 years for pennies
>innovation halts
>people continue to flock to "alternative" medicine
>reenter dark age of medical technology
conservatives didn't invent cancer

>>134377978
its fine when everyone works and pays a fair share into it

>>134378085
This.
Its whats happening in Canada right now.
The wait times for specialists are fucking retarded because we dont have enough doctors. They're all fucking off to countries that dont have retarded regulations and taxes.

>>134377457

This is a good way to put this.

>>134378319
the worst is all the poo doctors we get because they still get paid more than in india

>>134378243
But that's not how it works and you know it is.
I pay about $40000 in taxes a year, while some faggot who works at McDonalds and lives with his parents probably pays $5000 a year, but we get the same level of care.
Why the fuck should I pay for somebody else to get health care?

>>134378444
We have very few doctors as it is and the ones that we do have are shitskins who are very poorly trained and fucking lazy.

>>134369841
Human's don't have a right to another human's labor, therefore healthcare is not a human right

>>134378598
>go to doctor
Jejaeleausegesh
>excuse me?
Jejaeleausegesh
>what?
JEJAELEAUSEGASH

errytime

Not for retards who refuse to have it (subhuman united shitstains).

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>>134376328
>increase salaries
>increase taxes
>taxationistheft.png
health care can have two of these three qualities:
universality, quality, and affordability. if you want to have quality universal health care, it's gonna be too expensive to operate

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>>134369841
No, but pharmaceuticals shouldn't cost nearly as much as they do. Big pharma is a major part of the problem and as communist as this sounds it should be nationalized or at least heavily economically regulated. Drug costs are getting to be absurd and it's definitely affecting insurance premiums.

>>134369841
YES. I want my fucking taxes to go something worthwhile. not lame ass roads and state employees. I also don't want businesses to be involved with my healthcare in any way.

>>134377319
>Come to our country so we can force you to provide medical services at gunpoint!

Seriously, how is legally enforcing medical professionals to work not outright slavery?

>>134379152
Insurance is the problem as a whole. The medical industry assumes everyone has insurance, so they know that they can charge 8x the cost for everything because insurance will pay for it. Government only makes it worse with all their subsidies. Pharmaceuticals are just a cog in that machine.

>>134379578

I was reading your reply and accidentally just deleted like 130 episodes of King of the Hill off my DVR. Apologize to me please.

The solution is simple and this will blow millennials minds.... employers do offer health insurance. Working for healthcare is crazy I know.

Obviously no healthcare existed before Obama

>>134369841
There are no rights. However we have the means to provide healthcare to all so it should be provided to all citizens

>>134369841
>state senator

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hmmmmm

>>134379503
South Africa declared healthcare a human right decades ago
Did that change anything?

>>134379887

This is truth, however I will still point out my argument about drug costs being insane, even with insurance. I have full health insurance through my job. It's pretty damn good insurance. Even so, my co-pay for Albuterol is $115.00 (generic). Same generic is available in Canada for about a 1/4 of that cost.

>>134369841
I don't get why burgers can't into a healthcare system that operates like their justice system.
A minimum degree of care is provided for people who cannot pay, like how if you are charged with a crime you can have a public defender assigned to give you the basic level of minimum legal care, but this doesn't prevent other prevent other lawyers who went to Harvard or whatever from going into private practice and making bank.
Just do that, John Hopkins graduates get to make a private practice and make bank, while if you went to medical school in Aruba or whatever you have to work for a government hospital. That's sorta what we have up here in Canadaland and honestly it's not that bad.
This also seems like a good compromise for all the libertarians on here because no one is being forced to do anything, if you want to charge top dollar prices become a top level doctor.

If you really, truly desire to maximize healthcare access, all you really, truly have to do is stop standing in the way. Deregulate it, take away all subsidies, supports, guarantees, and even licenses. Legalize all drugs and remove from doctors all special privileges or burdens. Remove all constrictions and make no effort whatsoever to shape the resulting market.
That is how you maximize healthcare access and quality.
Even poor people have big screen TVs! Unleash the invisible hand!

>>134369841
No because it is a service.
It's no more a right than shelter or food.

>>134380330

Ok, so my girlfriend is Canadian. I have an honest question for you. How good is your standard of care, really? I'm not trying to troll, genuinely curious? Is there really an issue with having to wait weeks to get a simple checkup? She makes it sound like it's totally awesome but then she'll make comments like "oh I can't get an appointment to see my physician until May" (in the month of March).

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>>134369841
No, we should rather make it illegal for hospitals to charge people so much money, and make it illegal for colleges to charge so much money, as colleges make future men and women of medicine have heavy debt, which they charge so much money for their services, so they can pay off their debt. I'm not arguing for free college or healthcare, I want price control.

>>134380788
The standard of care seems quite good generally. I'm a healthy young male so I don't have to engage with it very often, but I never have to wait very long for an appointment. Couple days at most.
It also varies by province. I'm in Ontario.
Bear in mind Canadians will also, like your girlfriend seems to, talk up our Healthcare as if everything is paid for and glorious. That's not true. Tons of shit like dentistry, ortho, and other things aren't covered by Ontario's health insurance plan. I've (or my parents) actually had to pay out of pocket for the majority of my healthcare costs.
But it my experience it's good. Never had anyone in my family have a horror story of having to wait ages for care. I understand that it does happen but I think it is quite rare. And ultimately most of that can be avoided if you just schedule checkups regularly so you can mitigate any "out of the blue" serious health concern (which is free)

>>134369841
Absolutely not. Denying millions healthcare is the only way we can clear up population and denigger the world

I would not call health care a human right, but there are some.... more open, situations I feel would need addressed.


Most obvious is Immediate need. Person walks through the ER doors with a stab wound. A doctor should do what they can to save that person. Same with a heart attack, there's no time for payment options, they need nitro right now.

I (and most people) know the very basics of controlling a wound, keeping the person with enough blood to make it to a hospital. It's our duty to do so for another person. The doctor holds the same duty to stabilize. Not save, stabilize and minimize damage. Get fatty stabilized, then talk about the triple bypass (and how it's being paid for).

Health care gets stupid expensive for life extending procedures. You get cancer at 30? Here's a morphine drip or an option for a controlled overdose. Unless you or your insurance is paying for it, tough luck friend.
This is just human decency, I hate black people, always have. But if I see a dog bleeding out, I'm going to try to help it. I'd do the same for a nigger, as much as I'd like to say I would not.

A friends wife found an abandoned baby bird laying in the sun, obviously had a damaged wing. She was aghast when I calmly walked and got a shovel, and smashed it. It was the humane thing to do. It will never learn to fly, it will only suffer until it starves, ending its' life was the right thing to do.


The other BIG issue is what is considered "healthcare". Basic medical needs? Prescriptions? Emergency organ transplant? Keeping a vegetable alive indefinitely? Rehabilitation post surgery? What is healthcare, defines how we decide what role the individual, government, and private industry should pay.

FWIW: I'm a "let insurance companies compete across state lines" otherwise keep the pre-ACA system, kinda guy.

>>134371139
Can Americans think of anything without guns?

>>134378319
Also the "dude it's free lmao" mentality causes people to go to the doctor for fucking everything. Especially old ass people. I busted my lip when I was a kid and had to wait for over an hour holding gauze to my mouth before seeing a doctor to get stitches because of all the retards ahead of me who didn't need to be there. Your wrist hurts because you're 90, take your medicine and fuck off until you die.

>>134381405
Awesome, thanks for giving me that perspective. Every time she comes to visit me she's astounded by the concept of non-socialized medicine. Last time she was here we walked by a shop that was advertising for Obamacare enrollment and she stopped to take a picture because she found it so peculiar.

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>>134371139
Calm down mr shapiro

>>134369841
Yrs, after we kick out all of the illegals and actual moochers.

>>134381727
Racist cuck.

>>134381727
Taking your hypothetical to its logical conclusion you could walk into a McDonalds and demand a hamburger because you're hungry.

It's not a right if you have to force someone else [with threat of legal action] to do something.

>>134379578
>>134376827

Slippery-slope is not considered by most to be a very effective rhetorical tactic, fyi. Particularly in this case, because it leads to a completely unrealistic conclusion, and only by reaching this unrealistic conclusion can you claim to have any kind argument.

>>134378085
Conjecture.

>top doctors, scientists don't care to go to school 12 years
No. Keep their salaries high and they won't go anywhere.

No one said we were going to underpay doctors. It's the pharma companies making billions that need price controls.

>>134384068
>>134384300
t. /leftypol/ shill

>>134384550
I'm a Berniecrat

And yes, basic healthcare should be paid by taxes (not free you fuckfaces). I don't care if you want to tax obese people or niggers more. That's fine with me.

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>>134369841
There are no such things as human rights
Might makes right

>>134372519
Best post in this thread.

>>134369841
no
asserting that someone elses productive labor is your 'human right' not only undermines the notion of human rights but infringes on the economic liberties of others.

>>134385103
>Racist cuck.
Only a shill would unironically use "racist" as an insult here. Your subversion won't work.

Bernie's tax plan would have seen the average American's paycheck drop by 12%. The numbers don't add up.

>>134385196
Sure, might makes right. And in America, we've decided to socialize certain services for the good of the nation (i.e. being a patriot - not a russian cock sucker).

It's time to do the same for healthcare; because it will save money for everyone, not because I'm some SJW shill.

>>134372326
not an argument

>>134385353
>It's time to do the same for healthcare
no
> because it will save money for everyone
not me
>not because I'm some SJW shill.
yes you are

>>134369841
>Should healthcare be a human right?
Do you understand the difference between INSURANCE and HEALTHCARE?

Just thought I would ask.

You have the right to pursue happiness. No one is forcing you to be happy. It is your right to pursue healthcare/insurance. No one should be forcing via coersion to pay a fine for a product that you don't want or need......especially if you work a real job and have to pay for someone who insists fast food is the best job they can get.

Why don't employers offer health insurance? Mine does. If your boss don't give a fuck about your wellness, you need to find a new job.

>>134385311
How much are you paying for healthcare right now? I'd almost guarentee it's around 12% for the average household

As an example:
>~55k a year gross.
>According to the Kaiser survey, average family premium costs increased just 3% between 2015 and 2016, to $18,412.
>is ~32% of after tax pay - holy shit, math)

If we can get that to 12%, that would be amazing.

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>>134384245
It's not a slippery slope, it's a misunderstanding of what a "right" is. A right is something that the government has no justification for taking away, when we say we have the God given right to free speech and the right to bear arms it means that no matter what laws the government may pass you still have the right to have those things, its the kind of thing wars and revolutions start over.

What it is NOT, is resources provided at the cost of others. Just as I do not have free speech and the right to bear arms within other peoples private property, neither can I force other people to provide me with healthcare. That's why we're using the examples that we did, if healthcare truly is a right, then the government would be justified in forcing people, at gunpoint, to become doctors so that they can provide healthcare.

>>134385996
Before Obamacare I was paying $0 because I am not interested in healthcare

>>134369841
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KvxwrrPGwo

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>>134384245
>"What does it mean for people's rights when you can't provide them with a service provided by somebody else when nobody else is willing to provide the service?"
>Slippery slope
Thank christ you don't make or interpret the law in any meaningful way.

>>134386050
So healthcare isn't a "right" in that sense. But yes, the government should provide basic healthcare (or access to basic healthcare at low cost) to its citizens.

Having a police force isn't a "right" either, but we have police. We have roads. We have a military. All socialized services.

>>134386148
And? I'm not interested in providing military services to protect you. Nor funds to build roads to your home. Nor money for infrastructure to get food to your community.

But the government pays for it because it helps everyone and increases GDP.

So suck it up and pay your taxes and be a good patriot.

>>134369841
Health insurance is protection, healthcare is provision. You can't insure a car after it's been in an accident, so you shouldn't be able to insure a human after it's sick. We need to have either universal healthcare or a free market; middle-ground doesn't work.

>>134372962
That's called an entitlement

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>>134386206
>But yes, the government should provide basic healthcare
Yes, just don't call it a right. That's all I care about.

Also I'd prefer if it was done on a state by state basis instead of through the federal government (and I don't know why the Democrats haven't done this in one of the 13 states they control both chambers in)

>>134386382
>And? I'm not interested in providing military services to protect you. Nor funds to build roads to your home. Nor money for infrastructure to get food to your community.
OK then dont support funding for these things
> it helps everyone
I thought you just said you didnt support them
Make up your mind
>So suck it up and pay your taxes and be a good patriot.
This country can go fuck itself

>>134371139
>The only human rights are negative rights
This guy gets it. Any "right" a government gives you is a "right" they can take away. See: rationing.
>>134382432
If all of the doctors left Canada and your waiting list goes from 4 months to eternity, how would the government provide for your "right"?

>>134386206
the difference with police is that it's an extension of the government protecting its own citizens from domestic threats, an undisputed role of government on both sides. there is no adversarial threat that health care protects people from.

>>134385996
>How much are you paying for healthcare right now?
Oh, so it's the DSA shill.
Fuck off

>>134386818
X1000 times this.

>>134369841
>Should a doctor be forced at gunpoint to offer you a service

Denzel Washington did that.

>>134383761
Nice.

>>134372599
>Getting 200-400+k/year to be late to every appointment and have immunotherapy explained to them by their patients
>Can literally work wherever the fuck they want and whatever hours they feel like
>Slavery
Cry me a fucking river.

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>>134388698
>Can literally work wherever the fuck they want and whatever hours they feel like
So then healthcare is not a right.

>>134383592
Dont take advice from a guy whos never sick, or even making frequent use of the. Very system he's talking about.
>paid out of pocket
Yeah, same in burger land. You pay for speedy quality care, and going down the "im broke and stupid" route nets you a drop in that quality.

Id rather live in a system where failing to prepare means i get fucked, than a system where im raped the same amount of money each year in taxes for care that may fail me one day out of sheer happenstance, but continues to fail others regularly.

>>134379979
Those countries have populations used to high taxes as well as larger amount of government oversight/control. The sentiment of big government does not sit well with Americans. The people see it as the government reaching it's grubby hands into somewhere they shouldn't be.

>>134372962
Yeah but there are huge differences in medical education in the US than in the EU. Namely us medical students get charged out the ass for tuition by the time I graduate with my degree ill be 273k in debt from just student loans and that is with my parent's help.

If our pay got cut from 200k average to 100k and we had 40% taxes Id honestly just quit medical school and go become an investment banker or work in Biomed engineering. and im sure a good number of my classmates would follow me.

There is no point in working my dream job if im going to be relegated to becoming a govt paypig, underpaid and working 80-100 hrs per week (physician average in US) , and worked like a slave by the govt.

Sorry eurocucks, Im not going to medical school to get fucked by the government, have my salary slashed and have half of it taken in taxes to make sure all the niggers, muslims, and spics who dont work can have abortions and methadone.

>>134388698
>Most doctors work 80-100 hours per week
>We incur obscene amounts of debt paying to have the skills to cure you ungrateful fucks
>personally I will have almost 300k by graduation
>the first 3-7 years of our career we make less than 50k and are worked 100+ hours per week in residency
>This adds up to around $8.15/hr
>burger flippers and stockboys make more money than I will in my early career
>statistically a school teacher has more lifetime earning potential than I will as an Internist
and you liberal fucks want to slash my salary, tax me to death, and work me like a slave for the unwashed masses. fuck that.

>>134389170
His argument is entirely wrong, doctors cannot work whenever they want and are often forced to work insane hours early in their careers because of residency and to pay off insane amounts of student loan debt

Your rights are not my obligations

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>>134386050

>ruger 10/22
>exit wounds

>>134377599
Here in the US he can be hooked up 24/7 if desired if the parents will pay for it. Where in gover healthcare land a judge decides if your kid gets to live or die.

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>>134390100
>dream job
No offense, but I doubt the job itself is your dream anyway. You probably wanted the money but especially the prestige. Doctors still get pussies wet.

Not saying that's an invalid reason, but finagling pussy isn't really a higher calling.

>>134390604
so you don't see the debt or the wage as the problem? all you say is "muh handouts" and leave it at that?? god knows how you can graduate college without simple problem solving skills

>>134372703
muh
free
market

Free market doesn't prevent monopolies. Unrestricted free market will just result in one giant monopoly that controls all healthcare, pharmaceuticals etc and charges the max they can.

Canadian healthcare is shit. The VA's healthcare is shit. There are 34 million Canadians and 22 million veterans, only 9 million of which are actively enrolled. There are 370 million Americans.

Remember where it says in the constitution "Right to healthcare" It was under right to abortions, free college, and only muskets.

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>>134377021
This. A bong finally makes some sense

>>134391350
Christ, what a piece of work

>hyphenated last name
This enrages me more than it probably should. I wouldn't give the time of day to one of these people, even if it's not their fault.

>>134377457

Arguably, men have the "right to survival", meaning that they can take the steps necessary to ensure their continued existence. Health care is not a human right, but the pursuit of medical attention is.

>>134391350
wait a fucking minute...THAT'S BREE OLSON

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>134369841
Yes, but only post-scarcity.

>>134391350
Ha, she would probably dig me.
Almost sounds kind of like a /pol/ wife to me
Shitty movie, though

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>he thinks rights exist

>>134391375
The debt is certainly a problem, but its one that wont get fixed. The govt. loves these student loans and schools love making money off us.

And no, If anything I think doctors should be payed more than what we are for the vital aid we provide society. If anything you should be incentivizing us to work rather than taxing the fuck out of us and turning us into slaves.That will never happen because people are conditioned to hate doctors, so I'll just settle with the US never going to a single payer system and doctors getting fucked in the process.

>>134390100
DO students at third tier toilets aren't real doctors my friend.

>>134390100
>govt paypig
There are a lot of people who have working for the government as their dream job. Guaranteed benefits, excellent pay, can't ever be fired. Government offers this because it's not spending it's own money. Doctors on the government dole would make mad bank because politicians would pander to them for that sweet endorsement. The sheer amount of shit you would be able to get away with is staggering because patient satisfaction isn't important anymore because you'll be paid either way so long as you satisfy government mandates.

>>134389495
>tfw the French Revolution happened with an income tax of 5%

>>134391350
Anon, if i wanted to finagle pussy i wouldnt take on obscene amounts of medical school loan debt and I would just become an investment banker and jew people out of their money while trading stocks on the side and get pussy by being filthy rich

Im good with people, Im good at biology, and I want to have a comfortable life while making an impact on the world. Medicine is ideal for me.

>>134391546

Monopolies cannot form without coercion from the state.

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>>134369841
>human right
participating in this discussion means you have lost poltards

>>134379887
>employers
What are those?

I could care less whether healthcare is a right or not. It's just clear that UHC is the best system. It's the benchmark worldwide, it's cheaper(tax increases are offset by the removal of premiums) and it actually provides healthcare to virtually everyone(muh free market doesn't do that)
>muh niggers/fatasses
Niggers already get free healthcare in the form of medicaid and other gibs. UHC will help working whites primarily, the same group that makes up Trump's base.
>muh huge population
Russia and Japan have populations of 100 million+ and functioning UHC

>>134384300
>keep their salaries high
>give free healthcare to everyone

Yeah can we also solve world hunger and achieve world peace? Get real retard. The money has to come from somewhere.

>>134369841
>Tfw it's a human right in Sweden. You will get 100% free health and dental care, surgery, medicine - Whatever you need. If you aren't a citizen.
It's for the gypsies and """paperless""" illegal third worlders in hiding. They get free education for their kids too.
Send Boogie2988 here and say he's a 16yo Hazzara.

>>134374239
Did you know that most Canadians use more on healthcare than they pay in taxes in their entire lifetime (even though only a portion of that tax money is used for healthcare)? Cancer, knee and hip replacements, emergency room visits, medication, etc.
The only reason our system is still afloat is because the brunt of the baby boomers aren't yet in their 80s, and we're just pulling on the debt.

>>134395249
https://www.1177.se/Vastra-Gotaland/Other-languages/Engelska/Regler-och-rattigheter/Vard-i-Sverige-om-man-ar-asylsokande-gomd-eller-papperslos/?ar=True

Here's the info if you want some treatment and the plane ticket to North Cuckistania is cheaper than paying for health care yourself.

>>134395866
>Unsustainable system
>It runs out

Who would have fucking guessed. Like honestly, people are literally retarded. They can't see anything past their feet because they don't ever bother to look up.

It's actually terrifying being above retard tier intelligence.

>>134369841

It can't be a right because it requires a huge united effort by a civilization, a well planned and run infrastructure.

It's a privilege of a highly industrialized, civilized Eurasian/Chinaman/White Man civilization.

Universal healthcare would be undermined by globalists who want to fill the west with unproductive POCs... particularly black Africans.

There is a reason why only nearly 100% white countries developed it first.

>>134392504
You can get the meds all you want, but in the end someone's gonna be paying for it.

>>134372599

It would only be a "right" in a land where magic was used freely, faith healing was real, and curing someone of an illness required little to no effort.

>>134369841
No, anyone who believes this wants big government and wants to run your life. It's hard to be truly free when your continued existence depends on the government.

>>134369841
>Should healthcare be a human right?
No, I'm sorry, but it should not. The problem with "rights" is the RESPONSIBILITIES they impose upon others. Since it is impossible to make good healthcare free, somebody has to pay for it. And since fully half of Americans are total parasites on those of us who work, and the non-working half also tend to be the ones with the most health problems due to their drug habits, criminal activities, and poor life choices, it is an unfair imposition on us to make us pay for your stupidity.

DYING is a human right. It's guaranteed we all get to do it. Living, like being healthy, is a PRIVILEGE--one that is mostly earned through good choices and hard work.

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>>134370618
These two people are against Trump playing their own game. Trump's best assets are Bannon, Flynn (was), and his sons.

>>134369841
there alraedy is the right to have access to healthcare

your question is more in the realm "shoul i force ppl at gun point to work for free for my benefit"

>>134379979
They are all slowly going bankrupt. The only reason other nations can afford universal healthcare is because they do not pay for they defense budget, we do.

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>tfw just had my first professional kickboxing fight a few weeks and won by KO in the first round
>have my first pro boxing match next weekend and I will win by KO
>tfw will be making more money than idiots wasting the peak years of their body at school to be a doctor just so they can fuck up and get sued regardless

>>134402341
lucky you.

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>>134369841
Yes, as should food, shelter, electricity, and a living wage so long as you contribute to society somehow by having a job.

>>134369841
Is that the dude from the PBS youtube video series about science and stuff?

I can't remember the name for the life of me...

Anyways:

Tashi King and Kevin Pratt....

Pratt, as in pratfall

Tashi King is an anagram for "A Shit King", or in the common tounge, a LORD of shit... or perhapse even a shitLORD.

Anyways, tl;dr: Something tells me OP's story is fake as fuck.

>>134369841
I think any service from the state has to 1. be renewed and justified every decade 2. be affordable for the state,debt is not a option for services 3.Only be for national citizens 4. and finally a 60% people's vote is needed.

i am canadian so I like having access to healthcare when I need it.
broke my arm in grade 2. parents had 6 kids to deal with so money was tight.

>>134369841
It should be a human right if you live in a country with your own people. For example, if the US was 95% white, then yes, universal healthcare would be practical, because the entire population would be contributing, and there would be a greater sense of community. To US would also have no deficit of debt if they didn't have minorities.

In a country where only 60% of the population is white, then no, universal healthcare should not be a human right, because the other 40% are not pulling their weight or contributing in any way. The white population, which pays the vast majority of taxes, has no obligation to sustain 100 million violent leeches from refuse to integrate into society.

>>134402341
Wasting my peak years studying, improving myself both mentally and physically, engaging with intelligent people and having sex with beautiful young women.
>wasting

>>134379057
>vodka healthcare has none of this

>>134401597
Thx for funding our defences, burger OH WAI--

>>134408011
Fuck off commies. We got 200+ defense budgets and are the only country to ever deploy them on populations. Fucking try us.

Go bully someone you can actually scare like Ukraine.

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I think universal health care is inherently a good thing, but I don't understand how American left-wingers think the Scandinavian health care system could be realistically implemented into United States considering how much freeloaders and illegals US is full of.
It would also mean more taxes so that all the doctors would get paid for their 100 hour work weeks, IF there is even going to be enough doctors when everybody and their grandmas will need a doctor to get their splinters removed.