2020

>>134353010
Lol I've actually met her. She's an even emptier suit than Hillary Clinton. She'll never be nominated.

>>134354341
Well I've never met her but I find her to be far more charismatic than Hillary. I'm saying this as a Hillary voter.

oh and she will be nominated.

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>>134354656
https://overpassesforamerica.com/?p=52884

The Establishment barely got away with stopping Sanders. They won't be so lucky next time.

>>134353010
>Get in here Dems of /pol/.
Why the fuck is that kind of garbage on here

>>134353010
I want Tulsi Gabbard.

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>>134353010
It's still Her turn, don't forget that.

>>134355259
But he's so old and he's still technically not a Democrat. I will vote for him if he wins the nomination but I am going to support someone else in the primary. Honestly I expected him to support Warren for from the sidelines but it's looking like he will run again. He kind of never stopped.

>>134355493
If only...

:,(

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>>134355605
But Anon. It won't be Sanders that the Dems will have to worry about. It'll be an even stronger Socialist candidate.

>>134355392
Because we exist and we will not be silenced.

>>134354656
She's a hyper-sensitive emotional cunt and has literally nothing going for her besides muh black vagina. She would get destroyed in debates with Trump or even Rubio for God's sake.

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>>134355787
Please leave, None likes you. The "Hilldawg" thing was/is purely a fucking meme if you took it seriously you need to commit suicide . It was ironic an ironic thing.

>Because we exist and we will not be silenced.
LOL Fag

>>134355787
Shut up LARPing niggerfaggot

Saged

>>134355775
Who? He's like the only one I know. That label was what concerned me so much last time.

I don't know who will be the eventual nominee but I think it's safe to say you can cross off every FUCKING WHITE MALE

It'll be another woman or nigger or maybe even a spic

>>134355787

You're gonna be voting republican is you stay on pol you dumb roastie bitch

>>134356017
>weeb
>>>8/pol/

>>134353010
She has no likability.

>>134355848
I'm a hyper-sensitive emotional cunt.

She will slay in the debates. Look at how flustered Sessions got.

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>>134356232
>weeb
You must be new here, You're posting on an Anime img board you retard lol

>TFW dumb asses wonder onto 4chan

>>134356284
Gtfo dumb roastie

>>134356070
Nobody in the establishment ever thought that the Republican Party was ripe for a hostile takeover. And yet Trump saw the opportunity not only to take over the Republican Party, but to steal the Northern Working Class voter under Clinton.

The Dems are ripe for a power coup by the Socialist Left. Hell. If was powerhungry, I'd be working as a Dem to take over the party as a Socialist. The person who will seize control will come out of nowhere, and destroy the Corportatist/Neoliberal/Globalist establishment. You can count on it.

>>134353010
Too many skeletons in her closet that will come into the light. No chance.

>>134356196
I'll never vote Republican. Especially not now.

I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. I voted for Hillary in 2016. I will vote for the Democratic Party nominee in 2020. I've been here since 2010. My views remain unchanged. If anything I've only gotten more progressive.

>>134356284
>Look at how flustered Sessions got
No, she sounded like she was exploding with 50 years of pent up passive aggressiveness and insecurity expecting every liberal in the room to cheer her on. I forget what it was she pressed him on, climate change or LGBT shit? Either way it sounded like she was throwing a tantrum like my overgrown child sister.

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>>134353010
Submarine for Maxine here. Kamala would make a good VP pick. Can't go wrong with two negresses.

>>134356487
I feel you. I'm already seeing it happening. The establishment just got btfo so hard by Drumpf. It makes me sad. I am willing to get behind a Democatic Socialist including Bernie if I feel like they can win.

>>134356669
I love Maxine but she would have no chance. Stop memeing her.

>>134356525
You have to go back
>>>/t/umblr

>>134356669
>Waters/Harris vs TrumPence
Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Colorado, Virginia, Maine, Oregon all go red

>>134356487
The cultural left went too far, the midwest is gone barring catastrophe.

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>>134356882
>>134357022

>>134355392
Scared of someone challenging your opinions?

>>134356496
Will be nothing compared to Trump's record by then.

>>134353010
How are a group of people who hate themselves, each other and everything around them ever going to agree on anything?

>>134356768
The establishment NEEDED to win in 2016. It was the last election where the Globalists could maintain firm control of the Democratic Party. Had Clinton won in 2016, the Globalists could then redouble their efforts and try and take back control of the Republican Party. Now it's too late to take over the Republican Party, while the Globalists must refight for control over the Democratic Party again. Which they will lose, because the Democratic Party isn't a machine.

>>134353010
Gavin Newsom or fuck off and I'm voting Peace & Freedom in 2020.

>>134356609
LGBTQ+ issues are extremely important to me as as a trans woman. Climate change is a key issue for me as well. Honestly someone neeed to throw a fit. This shit is whack.

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>>134353010
How many fucking times are you going to remake this thread?

Kamala is a low-IQ dindu who constantly chimps out while the media props her up, saying "YAS QUEEN SLAY! STRONK INDEPENDENT BLACK WOMYN"
I seriously hope they're retarded enough to double down on their bullshit and run a sheboon like Kamala.

>>134356866
I'm sorry, but Maxine beats Kamala on experience, temperament, and gravitas.

I'm unironically voting Green no matter what.

Dems have failed to draw any lessons from 2016 and are going to pursue the exact same suicidal policies that got Trump elected. Their party is over; the Greens represent a chance for a legitimate social-democratic party in the US.

>>134357328
I'd be cool with Gavin Newsom. Especially if he is governor by then.

>>134357383
Ehh, pretty good b8 but not great.

Kamala harris will likely be the pick, i doubt any of the celebs will win nomination

>>134357472
You'll only be helping Drumpf and the republicans. Just remember that. That's all I'm saying.

>>134357383
I get that you think those are good jokes, but climate change is the most pressing issue currently affecting anyone on planet Earth.

You wanna talk bout immigration? K. What do you think happens when half the planet's arable land stops being arable? Immigration by force, is what.

>>134357440
>How many fucking times are you going to remake this thread?

everyday until she is president

I'm glad the left is going full-throttle with the identity politics. Intersectional feminism did them wonders in the 2016 election.

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>>134355787
Shut up LARPING faggot

>>134357641
I think climate change is the number one issue. I was horrified by Trump leaving the Paris agreement and giving the green light to Keystone XL.

>>134357615
Incorrect. 3rd parties only ever act as spoilers when the side they spoil fails to pander well-enough to stop them. In which case our 3rd parties should throw the election. Because battle; war.

3rd parties exist to keep Dems in California from running to the right. Or Republicans in Kansas from running to the left. They're a check on our own parties. Fuck off too far from your base and we'll spoil your candidacy, so don't do it. That's what a vote for a third party is.

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The establishment will try to get us to settle for Joe Biden, but we need to move forward. Old white men are not the way to progress.

Maxine is our gal.

>>134353010

To be honest I just want someone that is a decent goddamn human being that is willing to be reasonable to all people in the US and work with both sides to accomplish a fair agenda for everybody.

>>134356186
nothing wrong with that.

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AHAHAHAHAHAGAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>134357870
Get this shit off of here. You are NOT welcome on this board FUCKING NORMIE

>>134357716
yeah they are a bit extreme, but i think people in general care about identity more than you realize

do we really want america to just be about walmart, burger king, and apple? or something more?

the GOP doesn't really offer much long term besides holding onto remnants of the past that will die off because of automation and population replacement. and the waves of immigration aren't going to stop, we're going to get legal migrants all the time, that's just how america is.

>>134357615
The Democrats are helping the Republicans by killing themselves politically.

I don't even know who they're trying to appeal to anymore. Young people (rightfully) hate them and older people vote for the GOP.

>>134357237
Aren't they already in control of the Republican Party? Trump said he is a nationalist but also a globalist lol. Kushner meets with Soros.

>>134357155
I'd like to see them even formulate an argument

>>134356525
>Corporate Democrat extraordinaire
You guys need to hit the road. Bernie-wing is taking over 2018

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>>134358198
from prison?

>>134358002
>people care more about identity than you realize
>that's why GOP drumflets will lose because muh capitalism
Literally not an argument

>>134353010
Is there anyone like Bernie but much younger? Centrist democrats just don't do it for me anymore.

the establishment dems will want to run a middle of the road candidate, that appeals to their base as well as R's who may not be too thrilled about Trump. With the economy chugging along like it is now, its going to be a tough sell. The fringes of the party are going to go further left and want a full blown socialist. Free healthcare, housing, college loan forgiveness, thing of a millenial buzzword and they are going to promise that. Sanders won the primary! Hillary and the MSM cheated their way in. It's going to be one hell of a ride!

>>134358065
But why do they hate them? I'm 26 and I'm starting to feel out of touch with the younger crowd politically. They were all for Bernie and I was for Hillary. Many of them don't like Trump but aren't willing to get behind the Democratic Party. Some of them are indifferent toward Trump and politics altogether. That concerns me even more.

>>134358391
Tulsi Gabbard

>>134353010
I voted for Clinton 3 times. Both primaries and the general and I have to tell you... I'm probably voting for Trump if things keep going the way they are.

>>134358520
Why? Are you kidding me? You're like traitor status.

>>134358147
God no. The Republican rank and file rules the party with an iron fist. People can claim to be a 'leader' all they want, but it's the constituency (and their donors) which give the marching orders, rather than the other away around. Individual members (like Kushner or McCain) may defect to the Globalists, but the people underneath them won't follow. Which is the real measure of leadership.

With the Democrats, the party apparatus is extremely weak, both outnumbered and outgunned by the Socialist base within their party. They only barely maintain control because the 2020 presidential primaries have yet to happen.

1000^% of Maxine Waters since she represents all liberal democrats now!!!!!

>>134353010
The Dems are going to elect another Hillary type candidate with the only difference being he or she won't have any major scandals or emails. They will be as bland as John Kerry and the Dems will lose.

If Bernie was 20 years younger there's no question he'd be the nominee.

>>134353010
formerly a democrat, im an independent now. hillary turned me into an independent.

id like to see elizabeth warren run. she seems most trustworthy. kind of afraid that michelle obama might want to try to run. or zuckerberg. either of those two might have enough power and money to win the nomination and if they became president it would be more of the same meritocracy bullshit along with shitting on middle america while they take money from wall street

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>>134358297
Nigger please. The in-fighting has already begun. He doesn't even have to be alive

>>134358491
One day. I'm going to write an essay on 4chan to explain how Opinion Leaders and Politics works, because early adopters are how candidates get elected, not mass media.

>>134353010
I voted for Kamala Harris. The thing is she has no real personality and is somehow less charismatic than Hillary believe it or not.

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>my fucking face when the DNC runs Pocahontas
>my fucking face when Trump stops not one but two of the """first female presidents"""
>my fucking face when Trump blocks a pair of shrill, America-hating harpies from the presidency
>my fucking face when libfags will be just as certain of victory in 2020 as they were in 2016
>my fucking face when we get eight (8) years of Trump

>>134358593
My party is dead. I wanted Clinton in so she could stock Washington for the next 20 years. Trump won and now it's time to work and get shit done. Republicans hate him too, I'm not a traitor.

>>134358491
>why do they hate democrats
>#ImWithHer
Dumb roastie confirmed. I honestly thought this was just a b8 thread

>>134358651
We are having problems in the Democratic Party. We don't have the White House. We don't have scotus. We don't have the senate or the house. We don't have governor's mansions or state legislatures. We need a savior.

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why do you want a Feinstein puppet in office? Also fuck California blanket primary I got to choose between 2 dems that were fucking exactly alike. Also, you expect me to trust a politician from Oakland. they are so incompetent that they cant even hold a police chief longer than a week. also no step on snek.
t. Commiefornian

>>134358916
Oh you'll get a Savior. You'll get a Red Savior.

>>134358833
We can rebuild the party from the bottom up. Trump is destroying our democracy from the inside out.

>>134358916
Your saviour will either be untreatable gonorhea or Tyrone's shoe lace, dumb roastie

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>>134358916

:)

>>134359028
I look to California for hope as a Texan.

>>134355259
sanders stopped sanders. his moment of truth passed him by. his moment of truth was when leaks revealed DNC was behind hillary. at that moment he should have cut ties with Dems and ran indepedent in the general election. not saying he would have won, but the independent movement for a viable third party would have been strengthened enormously and he probably would have taken enough voters from trump that trump wouldnt have won.

earth is flat-tesla e. dubay

>>134357102
Dude we lost in 2016. I'd be happy just getting the 270 in 2020.

I think the nominee is going to be a Spic because it's their time to shine. Look out for Xavier Becerra

>>134359289

Then why don't you fuck off to the most cancerous blue state in the nation instead of shitting up Texas?

earth is flat -tesla e. dubay

>>134358002
>yeah they are a bit extreme
They embrace retards like Linda Sarsour and Shaun King. If they lean to the center and appear "moderate" they have a chance at winning but they won't, so they won't. Republicans are cowards, but Democrats are idiots. The modern left, in general, is extreme.

> i think people in general care about identity more than you realize
The sort of people who care about identity politics are still sleeping on Mommy and Daddy's couch, and have no motivation to go out and vote, or at least no car. Don't confuse people who give into occasional virtue-signaling on social media with folks who have actual dedication.

>do we really want america to just be about walmart, burger king, and apple?
Innovation, growth and success?

>the GOP doesn't really offer much long term besides holding onto remnants of the past that will die off because of automation and population replacement
"We'll just out-demographic republicans" didn't work in 2016. It won't work in 2020. This is pretty telling on how Democrats view their fellow voters: means to an end, and the hivemind comes before all else.

>the waves of immigration aren't going to stop, we're going to get legal migrants all the time
Because we keep offering freebies to them. Stop them from getting free anything, or jobs, and they won't come back.

>that's just how america is.
To you, child.

>>134358704
Warren has said repeatedly she wasnt going to run and she would of been a better veep selection than Cain, god that guy was a dingus. I think she might have a few skeletons in her closet keeping her from such a high office
>>134359341
a FtM spic and a half black half asian gender fluid veep

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>I'm with her

Here we go again.

>>134353010
What's sad is that you're with them, not the other way around. Cucks

>>134359352
Believe me I'm trying to get out to the west coast. It's not safe for me in Texas.

>>134357328
Dude he's going to lose to John Chiang for the California Governorship next year. No one likes an adulter, even if he was the mayor of San Francisco who legalized Gay Marriage

Anybody but Hillary. She destroyed the left.

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>>134353010
Gtfo leftist faggots.

>>134359570
Cool then movie to chicago, Very blue state, you would love it there :^) lots of diversity.

>>134359570

Let me guess, the high costs of living and difficulty finding a job and affordable housing are keeping you from moving to the liberal paradise?

>>134359341
I'd be happy with 270 too but I expect a blue wave. Republicans lost in 76 but look what happened in 80.

>>134359860
hahahahahah he wont move because even he knows deep down inside the place is shit, "but thats not real liberalism!" ahahahhaha

>>134353010
Jamala would be a disaster. Gun grabbing Californian with no charisma.

>>134359570
>its not safe for me
wait till you learn about Richmond, Vallejo, all of East Oakland and tenderloin San Francisco.it will really make you think how safe California really is.

>>134359860
My lack of funds in general are what's stopping me and the things mentioned in your post do concern me. My plan is to go stay with family in Portland for a little while until I can find my own place.

>>134355259
Trump has proven that if you can fool some of the people all the time and you can win based on his voter base.

>>134360205
Funny how every state thats been indoctrinated with your poisonous ideology turns into a waste land. Please move to cali and stay there. Get a "gofundme" page going so you can exoduse to your "glourious" blue state. Ill donate

Rabid crazy people: The thread.

>>134360158
I know about Tenderloin. I'm sure there would be places I'd try to avoid but the Bay Area would be a much safer environment for me to transition in on average than east Texas.

>>134360207
That's an interesting statement. Are the people fooled because they don't know what they want, or are they fooled because they aren't going to get what they want? What's your take?

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>>134353010
Are there no more non-SJW, down to Earth mainstream moderate-liberals left?

>>134358651
I'm pretty sure donations to GOP are up significantly with Trump in office. He's prime time man, and I genuinely think he can turn that into policy.

>>134360570
Both

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>>134353010
You are basically a dead party walking.
Your future doesn't look very bright and you will either go full-blown socialist, which will push many of the moderates and centrist within your party right, or you will end up like the Whig party, making way for a 3rd party.

Also, demographics won't also help.
Studies show that while conservatives have >2.1 birth rates, liberals rarely have 2 kids.
3rd generation hispanics are also going right.

Maybe if you default your party and re-build it would be the most sane option right now.

Also, as a non-american, I can tell, you will get 8 years of Trump. There's even a slight chance a republican will also win in 2024, if you go more left.

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>>134358791
>I voted for Kamala Harris.
>The thing is she has no real personality and is somehow less charismatic than Hillary believe it or not.

>>134360598
He didn't do it for me. He got an A rating from the NRA. That is NOT cool. Also he kept bragging about killing people in Vietnam and it made me uncomfortable.

>>134353010
What the fuck is wrong with you? Tulsi Gabbard is the only hope for Dems in 2020, Kamala Harris is just another suit.

>>134360598
Sorry bud, it's all craven warmongering neoliberals hiding behind identity politics now.

>>134359114
>Trump is destroying our democracy from the inside out.
>being this dishonest
You rabid leftist have hollowed out and corrupted all our democratic institutions. Many of them are simply extensions of the Democratic party at this point. For example, you've destroyed the media and gravely harmed the independence of academia. FBI and the intelligence community are owned by your operatives. And it's us Republicans that are harming democracy in this country? Go fuck yourself.

>>134360746
I won't deny my party has major problems right now but I just do not see eight years of Trump. He has too many problems and is too unpopular already. Republicans may eventually impeach him and I don't know if Pence can win.

>>134360598

Liberals openly hate Vietnam vets, they only pretended to give a shit about them when they found out Trump wasn't drafted

>>134360814
They'd rather lose and cry Russian meddling again than win with Tulsi

>>134355259
Meh. Dems aren't gonna nominate an outsider. Look at bernie. Likely a hillary clone posing more as a social dem.

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>>134355848
>nothing going for her but black vag
That's all she needs with most blue teamers. Give her a handicap like retardation and she'd make a better Jesus than Obama did.

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Bernie Sanders is the most popular politican in the country. Elizabeth Warren is the second most popular.

Why aren't we going with one of these Progressives?

>>134359289
Can't wait until you push your violence too far. Given how rabid you are, it's only a matter of time. It'll be great to burn your cities and salt your fields.

>>134360949
Well you guys were the ones colluding with Russia and your president is the one who fired the FBI director. Now he thinks the attorney general should be loyal to him too.

>>134353010
Al "Mother Fucking I Got The Fucking Votes In The Fucking Trunk" Franken! He wasn't funny on SNL, but as a legislator - COMEDY GENIUS!!

>>134361194
We are a non-violent people.

Why do drumpfags get so triggered by the fact that libs post here? I thought this board was supposed to be a bastion of free speech

>>134356866
"West Korea". We dont need another dumbass establishment

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>>134353010
Why are you falling for it pol. Holy shit it's not even well crafted.

>>134361341
It hasn't been since Drumpf won.

>>134361185
>>134361185
Why do so many people put Warren in Sander's camp? She's a liberal but not a socialist. All of her public remarks and "brand" have been toward the middle class. While she's a liberal, her rhetoric has been very Clintonian.

>>134361403

Hey dumbass this isn't a Trump only board

>>134361047
Republicans will NEVER EVER impeach one of their own.
They know that will basically give the presidency and maybe even the senate to the Dems on a silver plate.

And there are still 3 years left, so it's very early to say anything.(Should I also say it's very hard to win against an incumbent prez.?)

Also, if Zuckerberg runs, will you vote for him, if he wins the nomination?

>>134361185
I'd be fine with either of them. I would prefer Elizabeth Warren but I am taking note of Sanders's popularity.

>>134361069
That's what I don't get in these threads.

I don't get how any true blooded Democrat can like Clinton, she is everything Democrats are not supposed to be. She's a full blown corporatist and that's why Trump won.

Corporatist with good jokes who doesn't lie > corporatist liar.

>>134360742
It's a very bad idea to underestimate people in politics because average is not dumb. Trump voters know very well what they want, and don't give a shit about their material position in order to get it. Assuming people are idiots is a great way to become an idiot yourself, and get taken advantage of.

Now. If Trump reneges on his promises, that's a different matter. He'll effectively be fucked because the people who fight for him will abandon him, leaving him effectively screwed without any options. Hell, he could probably get imprisoned if the base decides to abandon him. It would be a dumb move not to follow through with at least 2/3rds of his promises, to keep the Opinion Leaders under his control.

And no. He won't be able to 'trick' people into being a Globalist while giving lip service as a Nationalist. Look at how people took the Syria strikes as an example of how fast his base could turn on him. Trump is in a precarious position, but it's undefendable if he cuts his support.

>>134361072
The establishment won't nominate an outsider, but the activists will find a way to get an outsider in.

>>134361493

She's Bernie lite with a sprinkle of clinton. Still counts as a progressive

>>134361185
see
>>134361069
(same goes for any progressive dem)

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>>134353010

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>>134353010
>wanting to be governed by a dumb nigger bitch

>>134361185
The one is very old and could drop dead the next 2-3 years(c'mon he is nearly the same age as McCancer is) and the other is supported by only the Dem hard-left wing.

>>134361651
She's a bit full of herself, isn't she? She's also very very independent minded. The party leadership will never get behind her.

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>>134361291
You're on /pol/ now. Your cheap lies don't work here.

>>134361651
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

>>134361518
too many privacy concerns with Zuck. I don't want another businessman president. I might just sit that one out. I might consider voting for him if he wins the nomination just because I hate Trump that much but I would fight like hell against Zuck in the primary. I do not want him.

>>134361232
Trump vs. Franken debates would be lulzy

>>134361210
the president has the right to fire the fbi director. funny thing is, the left hated him, right after the election, but as soon as trump fired him you hailed comey again lol. I M B E C I LE

and believing the russia bullshit when fucking CNN themselves came out and said it was made up, for ratings. how stupid can you possibly be

>>134357857
wtf is going on in this thread what is this reddit shit

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Daily reminder that /pol/ is a safe space for

>National Socialism
>Fascism
>Libertarians
>An-Caps
>Normal GOP/conservatives
>Monarchists

All leftists get the gas

>>134361948
He had the right to do it but it looks bad because he was investigating him. Yeah we hated Comey but we never called for him to go.

>>134362008

FUCK keystone XL don't be a cuck to capitalist big oil as they stomp on the few Native Americans left.

>>134361818
>She's also very very independent minded. The party leadership will never get behind her.
That's why she's awesome. She doesn't want to continue regime change and wants to keep us out of other foreign BS for Jews.

>>134361210
>Well you guys were the ones colluding with Russia
Didn't you listen when Comey told you how silly you conspiracy theorists are?
>fired the FBI director
So? Everyone wanted him fired. Your loony side had been calling for it for months. You're only forgetting about this because you think your demagoguery is a useful narrative.
>Now he thinks the attorney general should be loyal to him too.
Your talking about a meaningless, off-hand comment by Trump?

>>134361818
The super PACs will never let a dem which supports Assad win the nomination.

>>134361888
Zucc is already campaigning, but I think he is very bad debater, can't energize the masses, conflict of interests, etc.
His wife is even chinese, c'mon.
Literally voting for a guy with a russian wife during the Cold war.

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>>134362049

I'm a democrat who voted for every democratic presidential candidate since Bill Clinton.

I know this is a bait thread, because there are very few real democrats on this site. However, I'm going to speak my mind anyway

The DNC is dead in America. It has embraced every form of perversion and deviance. There is literally nothing good about it now.

Any party that is so corrupt that it nominates someone like Hillary Clinton deserves to be destroyed.

>>134353010
Kid Rock and The Rock. Dream ticket

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>>134362049

>Loves National Socialism
>hates Democratic SociAlism

Will never understand this

>>134353010
Maxine Waters

>>134362178
surely as a nigger lover yourself you'd cheer the idea of a pipeline transporting kilotons of liquid nigger every day.

>>134362108
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/05/10/10-times-democrats-called-for-james-comeys-firing-n2324573

you called for it plenty of times, why do you lie?

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Daily reminder, faggots.

>>134362400
National socialism values

>Order/hierarchy/structure
>Conservative Family Values
>Homogenous racial makeup
>Patriotism/Militarism
>Not afraid to name the jew

Which is basically the exact opposite of Democratic Socialism

>>134362397
Comey said he did tell him that during his hearing. Either way he is under investigation for sure now and he is still talking about firing people.

>>134353010
i genuinely don't understand how someone can still vote democrat whilst visiting /pol/ on a regular basis. Well unless you're rich and want niggers to be kept slaves.

>>134362487

Why would I when I stand to make zero dollars from it and ruin the environment. Take this grey sky Nazi shit to page 10

>being a partisan supporter in 2015+2
With big parties you lose, they will never work for America's interest. Only ourselves as independant peoples can fight for our beliefs by organizing politically and working with our communities to better them ourselves.

>>134362573
Do you think MN and NH will go red in 2020?

>>134362541
Well I never called for it. But yeah I did hate him for awhile. I still kind of do.

>>134361596
Unbounded delegates are puppets of DNC. You gonna need to get rid of those first like gop in how they got trump. 2020 is gonna be interesting

>>134353010
ex-dem here, how about an actual moderate like jim webb? someone who's not batshit crazy and can actually draw me back into the party rather than driving me further away.

>>134356496
I've heard stories regarding Kamala and lots of cocaine.

>>134362645
Nuclear energy>coal/oil/solar>everything else

I'm a blue dog democrat and I'll tell you this. Fuck Kamala Harris, Fuck Elizabeth Warren, and Fuck Hillary Clinton. They are all fucking frigid bitches who should never be in office.

If I had to vote for a democratic candidate who was a woman, it would be Tulsi Gabbard. She isn't a neo-lib and is a veteran. Mad respect for that woman.

>>134353010
You only have one person who is not clinicly insane, and your party will can her like they did Bernie.. you're fucked. Anyone who is not an extremist will never succeed, because Democrats have gone fucking isane.

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>>134353010
>They're not sending their best
lol silly liberals, it hasn't even been a year yet since America had 8 years of a nigger president, already you tryna elect another one? And a niggress at that? What's next, a nigglet perhaps? LMAO
That was a once in a lifetime kinda deal, it's not gonna happen.
Just this once, try to send your best pls.
And remember: no women, no niggers.
And for the love of God, no woman nigger...

>>134362832
Trump used to host coke and sex parties.

>>134362858

Solar amd wind over oil

>>134362191
There's just something about her that seems "unsteady" to me. I can't put my finger on it.

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>>134356284

>she made Sessions flustered

nice lies

>>134353010
I know nothing about Harris? How did she rise to the top without any history.
Personally I think Harold Ford Jr. is the ideal candidate. What is he up to?

>>134362400
>implying democratic socialism hasn't been tearing itself apart for the last few decades.

It's just a matter of time before every single European social democracy is going to collapse due to corruption, debt, extremely bad decision making and dwindling tax base with the final nail being the billions of third world savages flooding in.

>>134362293
There are a lot of blackpilled ex-Dems on this site, though, and you are 100% correct.

>>134362178
There are already pipelines just like Keystone XL all over this country and no Native Americans get stomped on by them. It's a safer means of transporting oil than road or rail. Do you think people are going to stop transporting and using oil? You guys protesting Keystone XL are absolute mouthbreathing retards. This shit as as dumb as chemtrails. Really. seriously.

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Your evil ideology needs to be stopped before it does to the states what it has done to Europe. Honeslty, kill yourselves.

>>134362793
Super-Delegates will jump ship if they are presented with a more promising opportunity from the other side. You don't have to get rid of them to take power, just offer them power or money.

>>134353010
lol this bitch ain't shit. but I suppose the Dems will get the machine rolling and morons will go along with what they're told as usual.

Californian watching her meteoric rise and scratching my head. She was a DA a couple years ago.

But hey, don't let me stop you guys from lynching yourselves.

>>134355259
Did honest abe really say this?

>>134362951
Yeah, in the early 80s.
Everyone did coke then

>>134362959
Why not nuclear?

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>>134353010
My family and I left the party during the primary season and we haven't entertained so much as a notion of going back. You guys lost us when the DNC and its media lapdogs publicly shamed war hero Jim Webb out of the race for being 'too white' and 'too moderate' to represent the party. And I'm sure we're not the only ones.

I hope you burn and something better and more sensible and centrist can rise from the ashes.

>>134363057
You are not alone.

Oh look, this thread again

>>134356525
Holy shit, if I was Communist I would put your ass against a wall. You are the reason why the left is floundering in fucking identity politics.

>>134363136
It doesn't matter if he did, it's attributed to him.

>>134362951
You're just going to throw that out there without even a shred of evidence that Trump ever even drank a beer.
And no, I'm not surprised you would do that.

>>134363072
I love the EU. It made me happy when people used to say Obama was turning us into Europe. What I don't understand is the right's new Russia fetish. Russia is a shithole.

>>134363188
At this point, the Dems will just go more and more socialist and run only POC females.
Better vote Trump in 2020.

>>134363180

Where do you put nuclear waste?

>>134363249
He didn't drink or do coke. But he wanted to make sure everybody else was having a good time with the cocaine and prostitutes.

>>134362963
My opinion here, but I think she can get support from all the voters who voted for Obama twice and switched to Trump over Clinton. I think she can get the lion's share of Bernie Bros too.

>>134363411
Sauce?

>>134363180
true, true

I did it in 2016.

This is poor bait or about the arguments I would expect from an r/politics high schooler

>>134354656
>charismatic
that's not a cute fancy way of saying total cunt.... she's just a total cunt

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>>134353010
yfw The Cunt makes another run.

>>134362400
I get what you are saying desu dem soc are nat soc in purely and strictly economical terms. Stormers need to compromise most likely in getting conservative in social sector but also in economical terms. Or follow soc dem economics that is with liberal social values. Feels or money. Both important but which one is it gonna be?

>>134357706
I think it's fitting you chose the jackass instead of the American flag. Kys.

>>134362573
what was the 2004 map like?

>>134363553
I agree Hillary runs again or she's in jail, if runs from jail I might have to stop hating her.

>>134355259
NO REFUNDS

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>When you have presidential ambitions but your party passes you over because you're the wrong gender

Socialist antifa nazi skinny nu-male stay at home dad with my wife black son here. we need a strong sassy black woman who will stick it to white males like me.

i hope maxine waters runs

>>134363358
Wherever a group of unbiased and independant scientists say, not a TV personality with BA in Engineering.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-aide-harris-accused-rogue-police-force-20150505-story.html

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ITT: Liberal retards.

>>134363481
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-hosted-parties-cocaine-teen-models-report-article-1.2843615

>>134363358
Underground? Besides 4th generation reactors can reuse the nuclear waste and they leave behind very waste. There's one legitimate argument against nuclear power and that is the potential meltdown risk the plants pose in a nuclear war scenario.

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>>134362573
The divide really is getting bigger. I remember the '92 race when the whole map looked like a checkerboard and the pop vote went something like 40-40-20.

Now it's rapidly becoming "people in cities over 500K" and "everyone else". Democrats are losing touch with most of the country

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I'm a Caucasian male who currently makes quadruple the minimum wage, but I'm thinking about opening a small nerd culture business.

Why should I vote (D)?

>>134363358
Yucca - we've got a long-term storage facility big enough and safe enough to store all the waste in the country now plus whatever we're likely to produce in the next century. And yet it just sits there - finished and unused - because of greenpeace assholes

>>134358916
AYO HOL UP, YOU SAYIN OBAMA WASNT NO SAVER? DAS RACISS

>>134361341
>bastion of free speech
It is, but just because you're willing to suck a fart out of HRC like a hit on a bong doesn't mean we have to respect you for it. Go play in traffic.

>>134364022
Not an argument

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>>134362573
This is a damn shame for the Democrats. A lot of the people on whose behalf we CLAIM to advocate are in rural areas. I hate to use the term "culture" to describe the divide, but there's something in the liberal personality. They can't explain why they don't like rural people, but they just do.

>>134363104
Super-Delegates shouldn't even exist. You want to win the election by nominating the candidate who's actually the most popular with voters. The whole purpose of having Super-Delegates is to give selfish cunts with big egos the chance to override what the actual voters choose. It's a recipe for pissing off your base. Let your base feel like they have the ultimate say in things rather than dictating to them.

>2017
>not donating 2,500 USD for a sex offender in congress

https://act.myngp.com/Forms/-6376723313637979648

>>134364381
I cast a protest vote for Jill Stein because of HRC's corruption.

>>134364353
I LOVE former president Obama. I do believe he saved the country but he left our party in pretty rough shape. It's really not his fault though. He had a country to run. The DNC should have been on top of that shit.

This thread is full of demshits and r/the_donald's
Nuke it from orbit

>>134364433
To be fair Hillary had more votes than bernie. But yeah I get your point

>>134353010
how come this nigger bitch couldn't get brain cancer?

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>>134364416
I'll help you - it's because they're white.

>>134361341
free speech doesn't mean i can't call you names, buddy

>>134354341
>134354341
But shes a womyn of COLOR

>>134364153
NV, NM, NH, Vermont, and CO would have turned red if dead people didn't vote.

California would have turned red if illegals didn't vote.

>>134361185
we need to bring back old-school Progessivism with eugenics and immigration bans desu

>>134364534
I don't "LOVE" Obama but when you remember that it was him, Clinton or McCain... yeah he was the best choice. Hillary screwed up his administration pretty bad too.

>>134361403
There are about 4 of them that have a pre-planned conversation to carry out on the board. They want to make this place seem inviting to liberals, but they will fail.

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>leave Drumpf to me
I'm voting for Chelsea if Zuck doesn't run

>>134353010
Personality politics are toxic and we should be focusing on issues.

>>134364656
While my thoughts do go out to Senator McCain and his family, pls do not refer to your future president as a nigger bitch.

>>134363188
The DNC and their media lapdogs burned a lot of bridges in 2016.

>>134364534
obama wasn't responsible for what happened to the dems, if anything he did his damnedest to prevent it. he did some shit i didn't like but he was good at bringing people together and making the extremists look like the nutcases they are. plus he at least seemed to be doing his best to make shit better, even if i didn't always agree with it.

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>>134364671
Not nearly all of them. It's the narrative they've got in their minds though. It's such a liberal thing to accidentally look down on their precious pets.

>>134364811
what the fuck is wrong with her left eye?

>>134363188
same desu, jim webb was a solid candidate. the dnc should be fucking ashamed of how they handled the primaries.

>>134364844
Mmm yes, year of the marshmallow. Great times, and 2017 is shaping up rather well too.

>>134364901
He could have done more to stop Trump with everything he knew about Russia. I also feel like he could have stumped more for Hillary in Iowa, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Maine.

>>134364627
It does beg the question though - how differently would the race have turned out if she hadn't gotten to start off nearly 400 delegates in the lead before the first vote was ever cast? Would Webb, O'Malley, and Chaffee stayed in the race longer? Would the DNC have been forced to entertain the possibility of a less establishment platform (either going full-Sanders socialist or more moderate reformist)? We'll never know.

>>134355392
Because free speech and all that jazz. Just debate their ideas if you disagree, or look at a different thread.

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>>134354656
>oh and she will be nominated.

topkek..

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>>134364901
>obama wasn't responsible for what happened to the dems, if anything he did his damnedest to prevent it. he did some shit i didn't like but he was good at bringing people together and making the extremists look like the nutcases they are. plus he at least seemed to be doing his best to make shit better, even if i didn't always agree with it.

Try harder. Try MUCH harder....

Obama brought racism right back into
America's mainstream...

>>134363188
Jim Webb shamed himself by being a lapdog for the NRA.

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There is one thing the white man fears above all others.

Her name is Maxine.

>>134365386
howso

>>134365413
in what way

>>134355848
You are right. People will really cringe when Trump lays a zinger on her and she chimps out like every other black woman

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>>134355489
Democrats are unelectable, even the "good ones".
They didn't let Sanders run, why would they let Tulsi?

>>134365254
>He could have done more to stop Trump with everything he knew about Russia.
lol

>>134365492
He got an A rating from the NRA.

>>134356768
Can I have your definition of democratic socialism?

>>134364844
They did. hrc Democratic Party is dead. Something will rise from the ashes. It has to simply because there has to be a minimum of 2 parties. I am waiting to see what rises. If the dems don't change then I expect the Republican Party to split into two parties and because there is enough ideological differences to justify a split.

>>134360598
I like absolute free speech, I'm fine with abortions, and I think churches, synagogues, and mosques should pay property taxes like everyone else. I also think we need higher taxes on specific types of corporations and more anti-trust laws. I think the DoJ allows too many mergers and ignores even simple and inefficient measurements such as HHI that raise red flags because it gets paid off. I hate venture capitalists, and I consider government intervention in the environment and healthcare an unfortunate necessity. I think we spend too much on our military, though I do value it and don't want to see it pruned too much. I think it is important for everyone to be treated the same under the law regardless of skin color. I am okay with moderate immigration numbers. Am I a moderate liberal?

>>134365638
that doesn't really tell me much other than it sounds like he was strong on second amendment issues, which doesn't bother me because i'm pro second amendment, just not pro-nra. were there specific things he said about the nra or did he have ties to them or something?

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>>134365443

>>134364901
Fucking braindead retard. In half his speeches, he gratuitously insulted Republicans, and he ruled like a lawless king. He was rabid and partisan to his very core. It's telling that you lunatics liked him.

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>>134365717
>I hate venture capitalists

>>134365674
My definition is Bernie's definition. He is the most prominent one. Democratic Socialism is what they do in France and not Venezuela imo.

>>134365443

What do you mean by that?

>>134365386
I am all the way to obama brought racism but the Michael Brown false story and subsequent riots and police shooting did jar me and almost certainly made be against identity politics

>>134365801
They play with other people's money and never are hurt financially when they fuck up. Unfortunately, I don't know if it is possible to legally eradicate them, because if others want to give them money to throw away that's their choice.

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>>134353010
>voting for niggers

Couldn't it be possible, that with less government restriction and regulation. Markets would be able to find a way to research and develop a way to keep land arable despite the change in climate.

>>134365715
Man, I'd love it if we had a choice between at least two parties led by decent competent adults who run based on actual policy ideas. A man can dream...

>>134365769
Well it bothered me. So did the bragging about killing enemy combatants during Vietnam. I get that he is a blue dog though and we do need people like that in the party.

>>134365862
was asking why he thought that obama made race relations worse

>>134365777
do you have a quote of him blaming white people for this? i find it kind of hard to believe

>>134365800
i don't remember cases of that, certainly not while he was in office. one of the speeches i remember hearing was him calling out people for trying to shut conservatives out of universities and pointing out that universities were supposed to be places where people of different beliefs argued and maybe learned from each other. that's something that i agree with him on.

>>134353010
No one comes to mind. I'd want someone who has Bernie's rubber stamp.

>>134353010
Her positions are even more retarded than Hillary's.

>>134353010
I'm hoping a socialist with nationalist principles runs on the Dem ticket because that's the only way they'll beat Trump. Identity politics, gun control, and sheltering illegals are an anchor chained to the feet of the economic policies of the left. I honestly don't give a shit anymore about gays, blacks, Mexicans, trannys or any other kind of minority that is all too happy to let Republican economic policy steer more money to the rich while everyone else's wages stagnate and the middle class dries up because they want to bitch about their special issues that only they have. Also women do this but they're not exactly a minority.

>>134353010
I'd suck her big black tits...other than that...she can make me a sandwich.

>>134365982
Other people give them money for the purpose of having them invest it in things they know to be risky. That's the point. Nobody doesn't know what they're getting into. How do you think there is anything wrong with that?

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>>134365965

You do realize....

Niggers cause almost all of the gun crime...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HFNU6JjNwU

>>134366200
I think Elizabeth Warren would or Tulsi Gabbard if she does end up running.

Maxine Waters is the only choice.

>>134364023
>"The Daily News could not independently confirm the report, based on information from two eyewitnesses"
Some story you got there from last October, that never went anywhere. Damn Russians...

>>134356487
>Socialist Left
lol. no. dems have shit locked down with identity politics, global warming, etc. all divide and conquer tactics to suppress any kind of real political left.

they can tie down any real left candidate by forcing them into all of these ideological traps they have created.

no chance of legitimate candidates in the d party.

>>134364691
She's clearly white. You have to squint to see any blackness in her.

>>134366258
Yeah, that's good. Hillary wasn't far left enough for many in the party. We need a uniter.

>>134366394
I'd vote for either of them. More for Warren because she has a record of fighting banks and I think she would do some trust busting.

>>134366156
Bitterly cling to your leis somewhere else. In many speeches, I remember him calling Rs indifferent to the deaths of children, terrorists, racists, stupid, among many other insults.

>>134364901
>obama wasn't responsible for what happened to the dems

Except for stumping for Hillary and loading his cabinet with Neolibs (anti-worker policy) and Neocons (pro-drone strikes). He also pushed for Perez to lead DNC over Ellison...

Once the euphoria washes over, he won't be remember as fondly as he was. He was the last Clinton.

>>134356882
Says the racist, sexist white supremacist. Two strong black women will show this country that racism don't fly.

>>134357870
BASED

>>134366575
this is the specific speech i was referencing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi5da2AhDCY

>>134365427
Nazis BTFO.

Biden (old white male), Sanders (old white male), Warren (old white female), Booker (black male), Harris (black female)
<<identity politics bottom=======================================top>>
<<most popular======================================least popular>>
sauce: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2017/PPP_Release_National_71817.pdf

>>134366334
That's terrible leaf.

>>134366575
>>134366766
to be fair, you're right, i forgot he did make fun of trump in that, although it was kind of offhand

No matter how many candidates run, the winner will be the most establishment candidate. The DNC, their unbound delegates, and the paleomedia will make sure of it.

>>134366627
>obama wasn't responsible for what happened to the dems
obama promised universal health care and then passed a law to penalize people who didn't buy private health insurance.

i would say he is directly responsible for what happened to the dems.

>>134366500
Democrat party is defunct. Either split into the JFK types or Bernie types. The two will never unite.

>>134366375
People who fail and lose millions should not be given more millions to lose.

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>>134366153
He bragged about killing the enemy soldier whose grenade he threw himself on, the man who nearly killed him and a dozen of his men, young kids drafted into a war, just doing their best to make it through a shitty situation in one piece.

Surviving hell, saving the lives of dozens of soldiers under his command over the course of his tour. I'd brag a little too. Jim Webb is a god damn hero.

Corey booker

>>134366865
We have to unite or Trump will win again. We lost last time because we were divided.

>>134366651
You commies really think you'll be able to rob me of my right to call you a nigger, you stupid faggot? Never gonna happen.

>>134366942
He took money from Jared and Ivanka.

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>>134366651

The country wants policy. Not more identity politics.

>>134366968
>We have to unite
the only real unity is uniting real americans against wall street. since the d party is owned by wall street i don't see that happening.

>>134366627
I think he'll be remembered fine as it comes to American presidents, especially among neoliberal presidents.

The reason the Democrats lost in 2010 was more tied to congress not deciding to go all the way and use the power they had to put in a medicare for all situation instead of the bastard child of a heritage foundation bill.

Ironically enough, though, because ACA is fundamentally conservative legislation the GOP has been handed a policy defeat almost 8 years after the fact -- one that will lead to a moderate loss in the house in 2018 and a big loss in 2020.

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Of course, Obama also created ISIS....


June 14, 2013
U.S. Military Aid To Rebels In Syria To Include Automatic Weapons, Mortars, And Rocket-Propelled Grenades

WASHINGTON, June 14 (2013) (Reuters) - The United States is likely to send weaponry like rocket-propelled grenades and mortars to Syria's rebels after President Barack Obama approved arming the insurgents, sources said on Friday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/14/us-military-aid-to-syria-rebels_n_3444104.html


June 26, 2014
Obama asks for authorization to provide direct military training to Syrian rebels

The Obama administration asked Congress on Thursday to authorize $500 million in direct U.S. military training and equipment for Syrian opposition fighters, a move that could significantly escalate U.S. involvement in Syria’s civil war.
Money for the assistance, which would expand a CIA covert training program, is included in a $65.8billion request for the Pentagon’s Overseas Contingency Operations, or OCO.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-backs-us-military-training-for-syrian-rebels/2014/06/26/ead59104-fd62-11e3-932c-0a55b81f48ce_story.html

>>134366830
Reread what I wrote, you moron. I didn't talk about him insulting Trump.

>>134366968
Won't happen. I'm a JFK type who voted for Trump. Fuck the democrat party, sick of its shit and it's hypocritical stance on societal issues.

>>134367145
>ACA is fundamentally conservative legislation
the aca is welfare for wall street - that isn't conservative it is corruption

>>134366865
This. The dems used to consider nice folks like my retired fire chief neighbor to be their base. Now it's batshit professional victim / SJW types running that shitshow. The fringe has gained control, and the inmates are running the asylum. The party as a whole has absolutely no message, except to "resist". The divide on the right pales in comparison to the divide on the left.

>>134366968
Uniting under the banner of another neoliberal isn't gonna cut it. We need daring left wing action (even if it's 50 years behind.) Single payer and/or public option now.

>>134367215
ok, well i can't comment on the speeches you're referencing, i only heard a handful of obama speeches all the way through, just saying that the one i linked seemed pretty reasonable and conciliatory toward conservatives. maybe it's not representative, idk.

>>134366982
It should be illegal to call anyone the n-word and you know it.
>>134367117
You can't talk about policy until you talk about white supremacy and white privilege. Until then Black People will forever be oppressed by the white biased system.

>>134367299
JFK was a garbage president and that political dynasty is highly overrated. Especially the current backwash Kennedy's.

LOL MUH MAKE WEED ILLEGAL.

>>134367384
>The fringe has gained control
wrong. all politics is d&c. the dems used to be a rich vs poor party. that has been replaced with identity based divisions so that they can stop talking about economic inequality and focus on imaginary bullshit.

this is not something that happened on the fringe. it is 100% by design and centrally controlled.

>>134367299
You are cancer. I like their stances on societal issues. I think JFK would be with us on everything. Obama was very similar to JFK in many ways. He had their blessing and so did Hillary. Trump is nothing like JFK. He is rolling back civil rights. Not expanding them.

>>134366843
I agree. As much has he blamed blue dog democrats for the watered down ACA, he didn't want Universal HC or Single Payer to begin with; it goes against Neoliberal ideology of corporate > public interest.

Same goes for his stance on the Keystone Pipeline which he reluctantly dragged his feet on.

The end result is that insurance companies were never reined in and are still as profitable as ever.

>>134367405
What if a neoliberal promised single payer?

>>134367659
Rich vs. poor is itself an identity-based division. The worst thing to happen to the democrat party would be to have racial harmony, economic stability, and a lack of class envy. The party would have no reason to exist.

>>134366920
He's a definitely a hero but I kind of felt like he was still "over there". I wanted to hear more about what he would do to stop ISIS, Assad, North Korea, Iran, China, and Russia. Hillary was wonking it up.

>>134368077
>Rich vs. poor is itself an identity-based division
yes, I 100% agree. that's why i said "all politics is d&c"

as a politician/political party you are just choosing who your "enemies" are.

it can be mexicans, muslims, black people, white people, the rich, the poor, whatever you want.

that is the game.