WHAT IS LEFTISM ACTUALLY CORRECT ABOUT?

>>134333066
Honestly? Ecology. Not the climate change bullshit, but the will of protecting the environment. Being anti immigration is also part of this

>>134333066
>white "immigrants"
And they thought you had it bad with black immigrants

>>134333066
a lot of left things are good in the right environment.
gay rights are a great example; in a society that encourages them to marry it is a wonderful anachronism that prevents poz and hook up culture.

without good marriage laws though its meaningless.

socialism is great
but when you give socialist welfare for children you essentially ensure the propegation of the poor and increased wellfare spending

women having rights and the vote and jobs is also good. as long as those jobs can be done with most of the time spent in the home.

>>134333236
>climate change bullshit

this isn't left, its just the truth nigger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo&list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP&index=1

That our political system is corrupt and all kinds of fucked up. But everyone knows that. So no points for them for identifying that problem.

>>134333066
The definition of "white" changed since the early 20th century.

>>134333066
stop indulging these gaslighting commy kikes

Anthropomorphic Climate Change*
*I would fully believe it if the scientists were actual scientists and had obvious integrity. I am not convinced that the data are selected and reported honestly. Far too many groups and individuals handling this matter are politically motivated and intellectually compromised.

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>>134333066
That we are slaves to the elites.

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>>134333644
We know the climate changes, it changes all the time, are we the ones causing it? And if we are causing it, are we causing a major shift that could be harmful to us, or are we just making a tiny bump in a giant pendulum?

>>134333236
This. Ecology should be a conservative movement. Being wary of social progress while not being wary of scientific progress (or vice versa) is hipocrisy.

Plus ecology is an argument against immigration

>>134333066
Anti-Israel sentiment, environmental awareness, some aspects of socialism such as welfare consciousness (though it shouldn't be given to parasites/ migrants).

New Deal minus the excesses of the New Deal like wage controls were necessary.

Financial regulation stopped frequent and unpredictable shocks to the economy.

>>134333989
>durr
listen dumbass, instead of repeating stupid media talking points, watch the series.
If you cant be asked to spend an hour and a half of your time or so catching you up on how much the media has shilled your ass, then you don't get to have a salient opinion on the topic

>>134333679
The official fucking immigration law for the first hundred years of America was the only "whites of upstanding character" could come in. Don't try to pretend like white meant arab or mexican.

>>134333644
Well, it is part of Leftist ideology, unfortunately. That's what makes it unclear that it's actually true. Leftists are so bad about lying and twisting reality to suit them, and so many of its proponents are Leftists, that it's not obvious what is actually correct about it.

>>134333644
Ahhhhh yes, potholer54.
Redpilled me on the subject i was so skeptical about.
Definitely watch this series bros, he presents convincing evidence and explanations.

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>>134333066
Even if climate change was proven to be hoax, we still should pollute less.

Weed should be legal everywhere.

There is no god.

That's about it

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>>134334335
if you get most of your knowledge on science from public media instead of subscription science journals you aren't going to get fed anything but lies no matter what color of cock you suck;red or blue.

if you want the """"redpill"""" watch the fucking series, I couldn't point to a better one that dismantles the retarded soundbyte talking points most people have made this about.

>>134333066
I hate you actual shills come on here and say "hey guys, lets talk about how these groups/people you are completely and morally opposed to are correct!" or "Show you arent a blind follower and insult [insert right-wing person here]!"
It's social programming and anyone who participates in these threads in earnest is a fucking retard.

>>134334101
Actually, I will just say the left isn't necessarily wrong about most of their social observations. It's just that they are incapable of having a further nuanced view and apply them to a system of ethics. For example, I would agree that "toxic masculinity" in the sense that you repress yourself from having an sort of childish vice and feel an appropriate response to a women denying your advancements on her is rape/ assault is bad, but the left does not want to acknowledge that there is a problem with brown migrants committing a disproportionate amount of rape/ sexual assault for these thing.

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Cannabis legalization and the war on drugs. Yes, stoner culture is degenerate, but weed should be legal. This is one of the only things I feel the left is more correct about vs the right.

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>>134334271
Hey man, how bout you suck a dick?
>LGBT
Oh right.

I honestly don't care if you're right or wrong, because you've just been a giant dick to me for no reason. No, my feelings aren't hurt, but you've immediately attacked me and at this point I'm going to immediately assume you're full of shit and have nothing but bile and feelings to spew, because if you had facts you'd be able to use them.

So you're either lazy and don't care, or you're wrong, neither of which makes me want to side with you. I actively want to call you a cum guzzling fagatard mcnigger and to tell you to go stuck a dragon dildo up your ass.

Top down cultural control is superior to bottom up cultural change. Public works is an ok way of stimulating the economy, funding innovation/science is pretty much always good. Subsidies can be good.

Education spending is good if it isn't wasted in things like no child left behind.

That's about it.

Austrian economics plus subsidization of emerging tech/industries/innovation with some public work spending and education spending would probably be the most optimal economic environment.

>>134334321
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark
Blacks could also become citizens since 1870. What's more, there were millions of Italian, Hungarian, Slavic, and Jewish immigrants coming in between the 1880s and 1920s, and they weren't considered white.

>>134333066
Capitalism being a problem. Socialism, however, is not the solution.

Climate change is real but many prefer shock therapy to our energy industry rather than weaning off dirty energy.

>>134334605
>I honestly don't care if you're right or wrong, because you've just been a giant dick to me for no reason. No, my feelings aren't hurt, but you've immediately attacked me and at this point I'm going to immediately assume you're full of shit and have nothing but bile and feelings to spew, because if you had facts you'd be able to use them.
I've given you facts, the fact that you are asking questions the video answers and are refusing to watch it is enough to show that you are being purposely ignorant and arguementative.

this is kindergarten tier.
write your questions down
ask them at the end.

>>134334025
>not being wary of scientific progress (or vice versa) is hipocrisy.
This is a good way to put it. When somebody says the environment ought to be protected a typical conservative response is 'I don't give a fuck I like to drive a truck!'

There is a lot more to it outside of combustible fuel usage. Humans are so numerous and technologically powerful that we can OBVIOUSLY affect the environment. China is a clear example. Environmental CONSERVation should be a conservative value. And yes, it would be wise to roll 3rd world immigration/population control in with it. These people produce kids like mad and if/when they fully industrialize it's going to be disastrous for the planet if Western countries haven't developed nanomachine synthesizers or something.

>>134335200
should point to >>134334826

>>134333066
abortion
climate change
LGBT rights
raising taxes on smoking/taxes on sugar
easier access to health care


all things the left is right about

>>134335367
>taxes on sugar
Howabout stop subsidizing corn. It's high fructose corn syrup that's the big issue.

>>134333066
Climate change is real, but they want to virtue signal and be alarmists and don't know how to solve the problem.
They're right about Israel, for the wrong pussy humanitarian reasons.

That's all the ground I can really cede.

>>134335522
I also agree that should be stopped
ethanol is fucking retarded, isn't that a big reason why corn subsidies are given out?

>>134335201
>3rd world immigration/population control with it
it would be wise to include all world population and immigration control with it. america already uses too much just for our own ends in terms of resources left over, let alone the environmental damage in the future.

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>>134333066
Leftist like you said does not mean liberal and is basically another word for communism and the like. That being said there is nothing to be redeemed from that ideology. How many people have to die for the useful idiots to understand is beyond me

>>134335715
subsidies are always given out to sway voters or powerful influential people who can sway voters. it has nothing to do with technological development or even food.

>>134333525
You know gays hook up like there is no tomorrow?

>>134335715
Subsidies were given out to protect our agricultural business. It's gotten out of hand and now soda can be cheaper than bottled water in some instances.

>>134335687
everyone knows how to solve the problem. no one is willing to bite the bullet
>less humanity
less climate change

>>134334477
He doesn't ever reference the data of the climate of the entire earth's lifespan which shows we are nowhere even close to the highest CO2 peak 15 times less in fact

>>134335687
Oh, and abortion. Though it has nothing to do with the "her body her choice" bullshit. That's irrelevant to the argument since those who oppose abortion believe the child to be "living" before those who support abortion do. If the clump of cells qualified as a living baby, they'd have no right to abort it just by the merit of the baby being "in her body". Abortion is acceptable just because a baby isn't a baby at the point conservatives believe it is. It's not a women's rights issue. To claim it is is the height of intellectual dishonesty and manipulation.

>>134334605
Actually I created the thread because I expect there to be embarrassingly few things to list. I want to be able to bring this point up with Leftists and count the things on one hand and say "there, that's all you have."

Their ideology relies on distorted perceptions and false base claims. The things that should be getting discussed in this thread should be the things that aren't that. So I don't know what you're on about. Sun Tzu would be disappointed if you weren't interested in knowing your enemy. We know ourselves here... relatively. /pol/ is pretty well-aligned but it's not an echo chamber. If /pol/ agrees on one thing it's that Leftism is the enemy.

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>>134333525
>gay rights
No. fucking kill yourself.

>>134335200
>>134335310
Don't be a fucking faggot. I'm open to ideas, more than open, I love hearing different viewpoints and having my views challenged,.

I do not appreciate mild skepticism and a factual graph being responded to by someone starting off with
>durr
That makes me think you're either an ingrate or someone too busy sniffing their own farts to actually care about helping the planet.

I love my planet, I don't want to see it destroyed. And if you care about that too, act like it you fucknugget. Don't attack people who disagree with you, yes this is the internet, you don't have to be nice. But this isn't /v/, act like a goddamn rational adult or fuck off.

>>134336156
Temperature increase is spiking alongside CO2 levels in the atmosphere. Who cares about peak CO2 when there's obviously a problem with our CO2 production affecting the global temperature.

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>>134333066
>Abortion
>It helps control the population of inferior ethnic groups which would destroy society with unfettered growth.
If this is what democrats actually said I might just support that stance, however this narrative of womans rights being measured by how easily one can receive an abortion is the thin veil of deception meant to appeal to the lowest common demonimator of society and bribe them with promises of a consequence free life courtesy of john taxpayer.

>>134335904
#NotAllGays

>>134335919
the way some people drink soda like it's water is so disgusting
I bet the obesity numbers would drop significantly just by banning carbonated sugary drinks or taxing the shit out of them

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>>134335904
no shit. even white nationalists dont marry if they can avoid it. marriage is now a joke. it needs to be fixed, and gays need to be encouraged to seek slow and long commitment relationships. I'd even be okay with a law like no gay sex out of wedlock if marriage wasnt in shambles.

The current state of gay affaris is affected by two things; the lack of rights being around long enough to change culture
the good bits of western culture are being lumped in with the bad bits because many conservatively dressed and behaved people are associated with the ones who want to burn us at the stake.

the poz parade both the parade and the poz is what you get when only a few decades ago being gay was illegal, and only a few years ago, was there a way for commitment to flourish. but even then. this is a little stream and seedlings in a desert of retarded violent right wing spergs and their reactionary complete dildohelmet faggots.

The silent majority needs to rise up and say its okay to be gay but not okay to be a faggot in a dildo suit.

>>134336365
see?

>>134333525
>women having rights
The same political force that pushed the 18th amendment also pushed the 19th, first wave feminists. We both know how horrible those ideas were. They weren't implemented based on reason but on feels.

>>134336509
Emphasizing diet soda as a "healthy" alternative would be a start alongside seltzer water. I think people are addicted to the fizz more than anything.

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>>134336459
Exactly.
What are some examples of the right (as far as /pol/ goes at least) having the right stance for the wrong reasons? It seems like everything I can give credit to leftists for I have to walk back with a big fat asterisk because of the stupid nature of how they came to believe it and argue it.

>>134333066
saving the animals and plants, seriously can we meme the right wing as the nature loving side? I mean, we're less afraid of natures recoils than them.

that being said
>being scared of bugs
>thinking humans are the only reason the climate is changing

>>134333525
>socialism is great
dumb poz'ed shiteater

>>134336387
if you love hearing different viewpoints you don't need my permission. I already gave my view point. you are straight up trying to corner me and get me to repeat myself for your benefit.

OP is leaving the thread (for an hour). I don't expect too many things put forth to survive the discussion, but I know that it's difficult to determine what qualifies as "True in a testable, intellectually honest sense." So the number of replies so far isn't surprising.

>>134336864
I'm telling you to change your tactics because they're inflammatory and counterproductive to actually getting people to agree with you you.

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>>134336597
>we know how horrible those ideas were
oh I dont disagree that at its inception it was a terrible idea. even now sjws make the overal success in doubt even in my mind. But the overall impact was surprisingly positive for many decades. meanwhile the down sides of not letting women vote is half a country embroiled in slavery and arranged marriages.

>>134336979
then I may as well not try at all, because I unfortunately don;t have time to type word for word everything that guy says on every issue to someone who wont just click a link and listen. It's just a video man. It's not going to bite you.

>>134337277
Literally all you have to do is not be a dick.

Is that so goddamn hard? Are you not capable of going "okay but the video proves you wrong please watch it?"
Because if you'd said that I might have watched it, because as far as I am aware that infographic is quite factual. Instead you insulted and belittled me.
So nah, fuck you, learn how to be an adult first then get back to me.

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>>134337530
>you made fun of me so i'm not going to learn anything
these are the people that are supposed to be my superior?
I should have saved this photo from this post>>134337152

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>>134336701
>What are some examples of the right (as far as /pol/ goes at least) having the right stance for the wrong reasons?
Libertarians. They have the right idea for the most part, definitely on the right path but the crucial flaw with the ideology is the failure to identify the eternal jew and how he would use freedom to destroy freedom. Fascism is the way.

>>134337676
You called me names so I don't care what you have to say because clearly you're immature and arguing from emotions and not facts, yes.

>>134338191
>mhmm, okay. nevermind the evidence i will respond to tone
read the sticky.

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>>134338408
>hey you colossal dimwit, if you just read my evidence you'd realize you're a huge buffoon and fool, if only you knew how dumb you really were, and good news idiot, now you can! Just watch the video I can't even be bothered to paraphrase because I'm too busy calling you names and shitting on you like the pathetic waste of space you are. Hahahaha wow you're retarded!

>wow man what, you're calling ME immature? Just watch the video and stop being such a baby.

>>134334477
Climate Change is leftist horseshit. Please don't believe in lies.

>>134333066
>WHAT IS LEFTISM ACTUALLY CORRECT ABOUT?
>Please drop Leftist ideas here that are actually true.
>I'm talking about democrats, socialists, communists, liberals, social justice warriors, etc..
Well, I would say one thing they are correct about but apparently don't realize it's something that they are correct about b/c they don't seem to talk about it and it's something that conservatives also rarely talk about is: the government's ability to cut a check and to move money around. For example, safety net social programs are much more efficient, do more for less money, and are better at filling the needs of those they are trying to serve when they are private and religious based (ie: not what liberals typically want) BUT they are not so good at "passing the hat around" in regards to getting their funding when compared to using the power of government funding. Moving funds isn't just limited to safety nets tho. And is basically the ideas behind Hamilton's Federalism vision of using government's money power to make a country powerful within (stable) so that it can be powerful on the outside among other nations geopolitically.

>>134337530
Offense is never given, retard.

>>134338763
Go fuck your mom some more.

>>134333525
>socialism is great
Uh huh

>>134338820
And like I said, my feelings were not hurt. However he clearly has a chip on his shoulder to argue like that, one that immediately turns me off from any hope of in depth discussion.

You cannot make people agree with you, they have to agree with you of their own accord. Calling people names is not only childish, but actively makes people want to disagree with you even if it's just to spite you.
Call that stupid or childish all you want, it's human nature, and both moronic and a double standard to act childish then get confused when people react defensively in what can be considered a childish manner.

they're right that trump is about to be ass blasted by the fbi.

Everything leftists believe is a lie:
Climate change = scientific fraud
Homosexuality = mental illness
Racial equality = Lies
Gender equality = more lies
Heroic refugees = Welfare seeking parasites

Basically their entire world view is based on a network of lies. But they do it all for that smug feeling of being morally superior.

>>134339184
>And like I said, my feelings were not hurt. However he clearly has a chip on his shoulder to argue like that, one that immediately turns me off from any hope of in depth discussion.
What a convenient excuse to never learn anything.

>You cannot make people agree with you, they have to agree with you of their own accord.
Hah tell that to Carthage, faggot.

You don't know human nature you've only been around mannequins your whole life.

>>134339375
Don't forget space colonization. That's their ultimate blue pill.

>>134339404
Yes because burning a city to the ground enslaving the survivors and salting the earth is a good equivalency to make here.
The fuck are you on about actually?

>>134333644
Why did climate change before humans, or before carbon emission? Why would the dynamical nature of earth change. whatever the effort to do so? What makes you think in such a megalomaniac way to unironically believe that we have the power to alter climate in such a proportion that it would become more of a problem than natural factors?

>>134339573
>Yes because burning a city to the ground enslaving the survivors and salting the earth is a good equivalency to make here.
Their minds were changed. Go ahead and moan about it but if you can't debate someone you go to war with them, which is why it's very dangerous that you leftists set infinite conditions to speak with you.

Do you expect to just ignore half the population forever, as carthage did in its own way?

>The fuck are you on about actually?
You're a worthless piece of shit who hides in a blanket of excuses to never change.

>>134333066
i dont think that the left has done much good, only problems and degeneracy.

>>134333066
>duh big bad ebil corporations...
...actually don't give a fuck about you, and exist solely for profit. People are just people, they will exploit you and anyone else to make a profit. They're right about this, to a degree. Of course, they turn it into "DUH WUN PUHCENT PAY MUH COLLEGE DURRRRRRRRR" mental retardation.

>>134339938
I have changed from a radical conservative christian to a liberal to a nationalist "fuck off we're full and stop telling people who they can and can't marry" in the last 6 years so I'd say you're quite wrong.

>>134340374
So why demand concessions for yourself? Nobody has to be nice to you. Morals only apply when the other person has something to benefit from being nice to you or to lose from not being nice to you.

You can go far more places with thick skin, don't you think?

>>134333066
A public option for healthcare is more efficient and morally justifiable.

>>134340639
Because I wanted to tell him to fuck off for being retarded and arguing like a child.

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Economics

>abortion
>atheism
>treating people of different races equally
>gay marriage
>global warming

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>>134333066

Leftists want Death. Which makes them very good "expendable idiots/pawns" for Globalist interests that want to implode Western Countries & why the Left allies with Islam(That will kill and/or convert them all in the end).

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Leftists/Feminists also have Frontal Lobe Damage/Disorder due to Birth Control. They've been Social Engineered into Jihadists creating Chaos to bring down The West.

>>134334025
The reason there is a resistance to Ecology in the right is because it's anti-capitalist. It requires regulation because it's based on a set of rules that point out what a business shouldn't do because it's practices may damage the environment.

Nature can't be a consumer so it's disregarded in the system unless the market has the morale judgement to not support products that harm the environment, which ignorance basically solves.

>>134333066
Anti-globalist, anti-interventionist used to be a big thing within the left at least. Social democrats also used to be anti immigration because they knew it basically makes their ambitions impossible.

>>134333644

Climate change is the biggest fucking scam of all time. If you believe there's even a shred of truth to any of it, you know dick all about the actual science behind anything.

>>134335018
I'm a Liberal and I agree with this

>>134340751
Sounds like you have some double standards to sort out before you try to fix something besides yourself.

>>134336459

Unwanted children cost society a lot more than abortion.

If the children aren't wanted, I don't want them born. Last thing we need is dindu nuffins with abandonment/neglect issues of *any* fucking race, they never accomplish shit.

single payer works
however it doesn't work when there is diversity splitting the pops and generating anger at other pop groups

>>134335201
>>134334025
That was Teddy Roosevelt's stance. We've forgotten our roots. Good or bad, the EPA was by Nixon (maybe the right motivation at least)

Those are the only pro environment R's I can think of.

>>134341498
My standards are unchanged. I don't argue like a child when I'm trying to convince someone of something I believe in, he shouldn't either.

He's gonna call me names, I'm just not gonna listen, or call him names too. I see no double standards there, I'm just treating him on the same maturity level he's been so kind to treat me.

>>134333066
Environmentalism and animal rights.

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>>134333066
God isn't real

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>>134335018
t. spencerite

>>134341840
ban estrogen and testosterone in foods, it fucks with the bodies and minds
of young men and women

>>134341832
>I don't argue like a child when I'm trying to convince someone of something I believe in, he shouldn't either.
That right there is "arguing like a child". A man can make his points without having to attack the character of the person he's debating.

If you had any integrity you would not lower yourself to that level when they do. Be the bigger man.

>>134336510
this guy is right

>>134336365
There is no reason gay's should get married. Give them civil partnerships but don't try to make equal what isn't. Marriage is the nexus for families which are the bedrock of civilization. What part do they play in that?

>>134342057
I'm not trying to be the bigger man at all. I'm telling him to fuck off and if he really cares, try again without being a dick for no reason.

>>134341974
libya was making massive progress till they offed ghadaffi
lets try his system

>>134333066
Certain economic intervention strategies. Eg. employment insurance scraped from every paycheque to prevent depression of the 30's from repeating during inevitable economic recessions.

>>134339889
simple

with human industrial innovation, the amount of carbon in the atmosphere has artificially inflated. since carbon is absorbed and diffused in the atmosphere at prolonged rate (it accumulates, and the effects are only noticeable across long stretches of time) it is only certain that an enormous amount of carbon is in our atmosphere due to our industrial revolutions. the amount is so large that the anticipated change is hard to predict, and that is where the danger lines, in our inability to properly and adequately react to possible disruptive changes. mixed in with the eastern industrial revolutions and we are essentially forging an ecological future at which we have no means to adequately adjust to hard-to-detect changes.

for a bunch of of ideologues concerned with future generations, why this isn't more of a concern is beyond me.

>>134342269
some parts of keynesian economics makes sense to me.

>>134336353
>Their ideology relies on distorted perceptions and false base claims
The same can be said about the right. Most Democrats (like most republicans) are moderate, yet all I see on /pol/ is parroting the most retarded sentiments coming from the left.
Here are some things the left is "more" right on:
>Economics
in a time of rising income inequality and deficit spending, increasing taxes on the most successful people is the solution
>Military spending
Our military is over-inflated for the type of wars we will be fighting in the future. I was in the Navy. We waste tons of fucking money for no reason. The rest of the world (allies) needs to contribute more.
>Socialized healthcare
Having lived in Japan, Australia, Hong Kong, we have an objectively worse healthcare system and it costs us twice as much. We need a government funded base healthcare plan with premium policies for the rich like Australia has
>Minimum wage
Raising the minimum wage isn't always a good idea, but in a time of extremely high corporate profits, it's the only way to get money into the economy. See the walk Mart welfare loop to see how fucked it is now.
>Global warming
I would say this is a leftist ideology but outside of America, this isn't a politicized issue. Everyone on both sides agrees.

>>134335018
The true redpill is that there isn't a simple as socialism = bad, capitalism = good. It's all connected to culture, demographics and a bunch of other things. Capitalism has a tendency to destroy itself, with the winners using their economic might to destroy competition. Like it or not, people also see it as immoral in places like healthcare, even if it might objectivly be better. Socialism can for this reason have a place in a society that is homogenous and has a culture of high trust and strong work morals. A sacrifice of efficiency in order to keep people together and make the society seem more morally just to its citizens.

As soon as we bring multiculturalism and shitskins into the equation, capitalism is the only thing that works. Otherwise they'll parasite on the system on the backs of the whites until it collapses.

>>134333957
would you go so far as to say part of this enslavement of us by the elites is their ability to control and distribute material resources?

>>134342210
If you get your feelings hurt, you probably shouldn't come here. Everyone argues like an asshole

>>134342531
>some parts of keynesian e
SOME....

It's folly to think the unadultered market is flawless, but once you start monkeying with it, you need to have valid, testable and measurable reasons for doing so.

>>134333066
> OP-pic
Is it political compass?

>>134341748
How does diversity affect healthcare?

>>134342210
>I'm not trying to be the bigger man at all
That is where you fail. You must always be the bigger man.

>>134342792
This man is correct

Their inability to grasp or accept this is whats holding them back from being a contender. I may even find myself on their side on a slew of issues once cultural/race realism inserts itself into their policy crafting.

>>134341375
>Said no scientist ever

>>134342554
can we just first agree that the parties are neither representative of the right or left, and are merely the establishments fix to an electoral college, by platforming as a means of funneling the "passions" of the uninformed masses the Founding Father originally accused the public of being?

because that is what the parties are

>>134342976
I don't want my money preventing shitskins from dying.

>>134342924
of course. And I think its proven itself in some capacity to use the booms to take the edge off the busts. But to make it what they want to cure all society ills is a lodestone during the booms.

>>134342976
it increases tribalism and makes succesful groups of people pissed that they are just funding lazy minorties
it creates social issues which tear down any socialized laws

>>134343052
thats why its a scam :^)

>>134342879
Not really.

>>134342987
No I don't, fuck off with that horseshit. I'm not going to show respect to those who have no respect for me. I don't even care if they don't respect me, because chances are I don't respect them, but faking at least ambivalence is less effort than slinging bile.

>>134343052
You've taken randomly selected opinions from every climate scientist on earth, then?

Please share your data.

>>134343071
We can absolutely agree to that. 95% of Americans are useful idiots for their affiliated party. They do no research on anything and get their news from Facebook or 4Chan or Infowars. They seek entertainment rather than news

The left/right dichotomy has never been real in the first place, no one and no political party fits perfectly onto it.

>>134343230
>I'm not going to show respect to those who have no respect for me

You EARN respect.

You do NOT get it automatically.

If you still hold that broken axiom you are still a giant crybaby liberal, no matter how you see yourself.

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>>134342439

>Commie trying to lecture anyone on being an ideologue

>>134334600
Wtf is wrong with you? You honestly believe scientific journals, which are having a massive problem with having to retract faulty studies or studies with peer reviews by friends and family, who are also known to raise prices for publishing beyond what the competition can raise, are honest?

You are delusional, simple as that. Like honestly you need to be medicated

>>134343051
the US lacks the cultural cohesion because one particular demographic with admittedly more social and material capital, whose disproportionate accumulation can easily be identified through a survey of american socio-political economic development through time goes either unacknowledged entirely, or is wrongly assumed to be an accusation leveled at the individual

you literally can't have cultural cohesion if the foundations of the culture were based on division. and while it's no one's fault who is alive today that the past developed as so, it is certainly ppl's fault today, of all kinds, for not recognizing this and working to reconcile it. then steps towards social cohesion, and over -throwing an establishment that thrives on antagonisms can become possible.

>>134333236
Conservatives mean conserve, they want the countryside protected for their fox hunting grounds retard
Oh wait France has no culture you don't understand this

>>134343393
That's what I just said dude.

>>134343123
So you'd rather have a more expensive and verifiably worse healthcare system? That makes no sense.

>>134342554
>economics
No, because if you raise taxes on the richest, they flee - this is proven time and again. Richard Branson literally bought himself an island to live on 6 months of the year just to avoid taxes. Bermuda is populated by wealthy tax avoiders. It's mostly wealth that could be better used domestically too.

Consumption taxes are therefore better, like GST (in Canada - dunno what yank's have, if any). basically any goods and services are subject to it, and someone making $50,000 per year spends the same tax as a rich person buying a $50,000 car outright.

>military
Every gov't department is guilty of poor spending habits - I worked for our tax collectors for a while. They pay people to take staples out of used manilla envelopes. That's not an exageration, this actually happens and I witnessed it. In Toronto, a guy just built a staircase at a public park for $550 and the city quoted $65,000+

>healthcare
America, I feel you here, and I have no solution. You're too free market to have a single payer system.

>minimum wage
Raising minimum wage is one of the shittiest, most retarded ideas ever, and it just keeps driving inflation and lowering the standard of living for the rest of the middle-lower class. Also, school kids don't need $15/hour

>global warming
Actually climate change, shouldn't even be an issue. I don't see how getting rid of smog is bad if it can be. Why is shifting to renewables bad? Only if it's done too fast and forceably. Otherwise, I don't see the harm in reducing pollution and can't understand why that's an issue for some.

>>134343362

yup. this is my issue with both the media and politics in the modern era -- they have turned each other into spectacles. they are no longer abstract spaces that we the ppl can occupy and populate with ideas. they are merely spaces to watch and react, never participate and contribute.

>>134343176
>makes succesful groups of people pissed that they are just funding lazy minorties
Isn't that already happening? Are you saying we shouldn't do something that is economically beneficial because it leads to issues that already exist?

>>134333474
It's pretty reductive to call the US a nation founded by white immigrants. It's somewhat true, but those white immigrants were importing black slaves and encroaching on Native territories. The Spanish had much of the West Coast, Gulf Coast, and West. France also had chunks of the North East down the Mississippi River to Louisiana.

The 13 colonies that became the first states of the USA were English colonies, but looking at where the borders are drawn there were other people living there, who were folded into America.

Identitarian movements in the USA don't really make sense, since so many ethnic groups are part of what makes up America. That being said, it is not America's place to push multiculturalism on other countries.

>>134343165
no such thing as curing all society's ills, i think that's their trouble is they keep looking for it. Need to accept that there's no such thing as total consistency

>>134336390

We care because it's not the fucking end of days. The earth and life has survived CO2 levels we can't possibly touch by producing it ourselves. If we can limit our impact without crippling the economy and subsidising shit that can't stand on its own, great I'm all for it.

It's so obvious that it's become like a religion in itself. All climate change zealots speak exactly alike, they parrot the same points without ever referencing very relevant context. Reminds me of 2009 atheists, 'everyone is wrong but I! You're a bumbling retard if you don't agree that this is the most pressing issue ever and we need muh gubmint to save us'.

>>134343421
i'm not lecturing anyone being an ideologue. hardly anyone can escape ideology, so long as one remains critical internally/externally, and grows.

i was commenting on how such an important topic (anthropogenic climate change) is out of circulation in the discourse of those whose idealisms partly concern the future.

>>134343655
I'd rather have none if I can't get one where I get to select the kind of people I support with paying insurance.

>>134343584

>leaf shitposting about culture

Muh Irony

>>134340808
haha
funny joke
notice how blue is higher than red

>>134343272
Even scientists who are skeptical of man made climate change would never say what that dude said. And also, there's mountains of data that analyze the viewpoints of scholarly articles and 97% of scientists agree with man-made climate change

>>134343600
Then why don't you practice what you preach?

>>134344193
Not being a dick to people who aren't a dick to me first? Yeah, I do that.

>>134344077
We have more culture than you Italian-Irish-German-American mixed species mongrel mutts

>>134343751
>if you raise taxes on the richest, they flee
This is a meme. Why haven't the ultra rich left Germany, England, Australia, etc?
Also, that guy you referenced just used a tax Loophole that should be closed

>>134333066
I think at the heart of the left/right meme is a difference between cosmopolitanism and individualism.

Leftists attempt to create a society that follows the golden rule, knowing that they themselves will probably break said rule and are aware that all other humans are fallible as well; hence the authoritarian leanings towards "prevention".

Rightists attempt to practice the golden rule as individuals and recognize some people will not, but use "punishment" as a deterrent.

It's a Superman V. Batman sort of thing.

>>134333066
SJW's are correct in their assessment that some races have an inherent advantage over others.

Feminists are correct in being anti-bra. Also, I've never seen the big deal with a chick having hairy armpits. It can be kinda hot.

Democrats and liberals are correct about the US health care system being a pathetic joke.

>>134333236
see: paleoconservatvism. Recent conservative movements have been corrupted by neo-conservativism, economic libertarianism and corporatism, but I would argue that environmental protection is far more aligned with conservative values than liberal.

>>134344301
>about culture
and you're fucked enough to say france has no culture? Please, retard, don't make our people worse than you already are.

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>>134344099
>Even scientists who are skeptical of man made climate change would never say what that dude said

Not too publicly, no. They know it would ruin their careers to do so.

>97% of scientists agree with man-made climate change
How was that determined exactly? Taking a census of every single person who works with climate's opinion would be a costly and time consuming undertaking. What questions were they asked, exactly? Were the responses anonymous or could people have withheld their opinions for fear of losing their careers?

It's just not sufficient evidence. I'd much rather get an anonymous and random sampling of all climate scientists opinion on the matter.

I dunno maybe it's just that recent events have made "THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED" unpalatable to me.

>>134343546
Its the left at fault for this. People of Color is literally an anti-white banner. The right wants to protect their assets so thats exclusionary of poor browns who want gibs, but its not on the basis of race like the left uses. That's why race realism is the much needed shock to race relations if anyone cares to foster cohesion. If not, Im not worried so long as they dont take my stuff.

>>134344273
Recognize that being treated like a dick is the first step to being not treated like a dick in the real world outside of drug-controlled libspheres.

>>134343948
agreed, thus giving them the self-righteous task and moral indignation that i cant stand.

>>134343751
>Raising minimum wage is one of the shittiest, most retarded ideas ever, and it just keeps driving inflation and lowering the standard of living for the rest of the middle-lower class
It does drive inflation (which is too low right now) but the standard of living thing is just not true. Because most jobs are already not minimum wage, inflation will not increase in parity with wage growth from a minimum wage increase, i.e. the standard of living will not be lowered. There's some great econ classes that teach this stuff. It's unfortunate that most Americans don't take a serious econ class in high school

>>134344617
Where the fuck do you live New York? Get the fuck outta here there's a difference between respecting someone and just not being antagonistic for no good reason.

>>134344434
I agree - the conservatives I know in the country are huge conservationists for protecting animal and fish populations from overharvest, land development and pollution

>>134344466
They have no monarchy
They have no sports (all sports played in Europe and by whites are invented in Britain or by British in Canada)
They have no fashion (all modern clothing is invented by British)
They have no movies (it's all American)
They have no TV (all good TV is British)
They have no music (all good music is British)
They have no food (all good food is British)
They have no colonies (Canada, Australia and New Zealand are the best countries in the world behind Britain and also British Dominions)
They have a lot of women laying with niggers and atheists that's about it

>>134344695
i hear that. It's like they want all obstacles removed without realizing that overcoming them is part of human development.

>>134343752
I blame the internet for exposing the ideas of exciting people who have no knowledge of a subject over subject matter experts

>>134333786

Sierra club failed to testify under oath that they would re-evaluate their stance on AGW if conflicting evidence arose.

They were asked at least 4 times in plain language and refused answer.

Nope'd out forever.

>>134344056
That doesn't make good economic sense

psychedelics

the pacifism of the 1960s Hippies was untenable
But they were right about a lot. Before they were infiltrated and corralled into the apolitical degeneracy of modern music festivals and framed for Manson murders

Any group the CIA hates that much I consider an ally

>>134344756
>Get the fuck outta here there's a difference between respecting someone and just not being antagonistic for no good reason.

Yeah. This is the internet. You can't be punched here, so morality is a bit different.

Deal with it or go find a hugbox. You're boring me.

>>134344530
You can look it up. They compiled a list of all scholarly articles related to climate change. They didn't "ask them their opinion". They analyzed their conclusions based on the data they collected. There's tons of information in the public sphere that explain the phenomenon very well. You should read some scholarly articles on it

>>134333236
Wise frenchman

>>134344434
>environmental protection is far more aligned with conservative values than liberal.
I would put this into the liberal "prevention" column. The leftist demands for increased regulation are born out of a concern of deforestation, polluted waterways, air quality.

I think there would be more agreement between the two mindsets if groups like Ducks Unlimited were more visible in (((The Media))) and focused on what they have in common with the Sierra Club. Instead some Neo-Con shows up on Fox News and complains about "muh reguhlayshuns" and the narrative keeps getting spun.

>>134345211
Look man, I'm more referring to real life since you brought up real life.
On the internet, as I've said before, I don't really give a shit. You're just an idiot if you think I'm going to agree with you after you resort to name calling.

It's not complicated or hard to get, yet you still seem confused about my position the fifth time I've stated it.

>>134333066
Are all red panel comics also political compasses?

>>134343546
Stop being a pussy and name the Jew.

>>134344751
Inflation is not too low. Canadians all have econ in high school, I minored in university, myself.

I said it lowers the standard of living for the middle-lower class. When middle wage raises, it will cause inflation mostly steeply in industries and businesses that rely on minimum wage labour, like fast food chains. Those in the middle-lower class who make only incrementally more than a raised minimum wage now suffer the extra cost of inflation on those products. This means they can buy fewer of them, demonstrating a lower purchasing power parity and therefore a lower standard of living.

>>134333066
Staying among ourselves indefinitely is not healthy.

But they're taking it to a ridiculous extreme.

Also, being rich and sharing your wealth is a good thing.

But it needs to come as an initiative from rich and powerful individuals who push society forward as a whole and are regarded as role models, wealth redistribution by an all-powerful state is retarded.

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>>134344937
yup, spectalism. or sensationalizing.

one of the faults, ironically, of our public sphere culture. having more than one person talk to no end on a topic with very narrow range of ideas.

>>134345564
Shut the hell up Francois we should deport all you French niggers you can't even assimilate

>>134343751
The biggest tax we pay is an income tax, which is fucking retarded. After that property tax and if you're really lucky and live in a city there is often a city tax to pay for services like parks, sidewalks, etc. Not opposed to the latter, but I wouldn't mind auditing some of the contracts just to see who is getting paid what.

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>>134345324
>You can look it up.
If you had ever read it you'd be able to tell me. You just accepted it without looking into it? How lazy!

>They analyzed their conclusions based on the data they collected.
What do you mean they "analyzed it" what does that mean there's no magic UNIVAC machine that you "analyze opinions" with.

>You should read some scholarly articles on it
Coming from the person too lazy to actually look into the contentions he is offering? Don't make me laugh.

>>134345415
>You're just an idiot if you think I'm going to agree with you after you resort to name calling.
Hahahahahahahahhaha you're so compartmentalized and sanctimonious.

>>134345761
you're telling me:

http://globalnews.ca/news/3610696/tom-riley-park-stairs-toronto/?utm_source=GlobalNews&utm_medium=Facebook

>>134342830
In his defense, there's a reason it's called "National Socialism."

>>134345178
The "global citizen" revival of the hippies helped stage peace movements since.

While complete disarming of nations is foolish imo, pointless interventionism to feed tax dollars to the military industrial complex is also dumb.

>>134345056
Not everything's about the economy.

>>134345427
it's not the jew. it's anyone whose sense of righteousness, power, and betterment are determined by the trends set by those in power, who wrongly appear as the benefactors of such tenets. if they seem to be benefitting from being righteous, powerful, and better, then they must be right?

but that is obviously not the case. if for you, those only in power in jews, then so be it. i understand that the authority of power does not discriminate, but the power of authority does. and so in order to effectively tackle this issue, i'll leave my definition of whose in power to a more nuanced understanding.

>>134345852
Yeah man whatever helps you feel better I guess.
Sanctimonious, never been described like that before. I've got a bit more of a "fuck off faggot" attitude if you ask me, but hey, the last 6 times you judged me out of context didn't sway you, so why should this one.

>>134346144
>you judged me

Wait, are you a woman?

>>134345459
>Inflation is not too low
Yes it is. This is a very big issue in the world of finance right now. Yellin and the FED talk about it constantly
I'm not disagreeing with anything else you said. However, you're sensationalizing the negative affects. Even people who earn wages barely above minimum wage will see wage growth, albeit slower. So there is a reduction in purchasing power for sure. As in all economics, this policy has some positive and negative consequences. However, in the US, many minimum wage earners simply do not earn enough to live on. When you combine that with record corporate profits, minimum wage increase is a good idea

Jeff Sessions is strengthening Civil Asset Forfeiture across United States

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/sessions-forfeiture-justice-department-civil/534168/

Crazy leftist SJWs are against this. Conservatives are against this. Just like term limiting the House and the Senate, this is something we can all agree is wrong.

>>134345907
of course. socialism can only generate nationally, but if one does not recognize the international aspect of their shared struggle, then the socialism is short sighted and they leave their state vulnerable to being an agitator of anti-socialist sentiments elsewhere. this has been the mainstay of US foreign policy which has had disastrous effects at a macro level for the international working-class community, and thus the domestic working-class community of the US and other western nations.

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>>134346229
>Wait, are you a woman?

>>134346229
What else do you want me to call it? Identifying? Lumping? Profiling? Describing me and my personality in a specific way?
The other methods seem a bit inaccurate or wordy.

>>134333236
only ameritards consider that a leftist tenet

>>134345999
I disagree. The government should aim to make people wealthy healthy. The best indicator of crime and homelessness is poverty, not race. You've found a useful scapegoat but, as Kennedy said, a rising tide lifts all boats

>>134334579
>Weed should be legal everywhere
lmao sure so that kids smoke thqat shit and get hindered brain growth, faget

>>134345852
>I don't want to hand-feed you data you can get from Google
>I'm the lazy one

>>134346620
>I disagree.
Do you support slavery?
>The best indicator of crime and homelessness is poverty, not race.
That is a lie, anon.

>>134346273
Right, the US has different issues like companies being subsidized by food stamps - I was thinking more in general terms.

Another part of the issue is that the labour supply of unskilled labour is way too high and that drives wages down too. If they could find a way to let the poor people die quickly, en masse, that would really help a lot of them (sarcasm.... economics is ruthless though)

I don't know what the inflation rate is there, but up here it's was too high for years and only just recently did our central bank raise interest rates, first time in almost a decade.

I also think that, given the large labour supply, wages for those just above minimum wage can expect to remain static. I know too many people in fields with no wage mobility - only the ones with programming/hard science backgrounds are finding mobility.

Further, I agree that corporate profits can be overwhelmingly unbalanced, but I don't have any solutions that I'm content with for just means of redistribution.

>>134346861
>Do you support slavery?
This isn't a useful scapegoat argument.
>That is a lie, anon
No it isn't. Socioeconomic status is the number one indicator or crime

>>134346676

>kids
there's your problem

ending prohibition of alcohol hardly implies feeding your 8-year-old shots of tequila. there should still be restrictions

>>134344538
people of color was actually a classist term popularized by black elites in chicago who wanted to have a term that differentiated them from working and lower class black people when interacting with white people of similar social standing. it has recently be appropriated by non-white leftists as useful term to refer to anyone generally non-white

and i understand the want to protect assets. this is much the same logic of reparations, or even more simply black liberation -- much of black ppl in the past, especially during the times of slavery and shortly after, have been explicitly blocked from attaining and protecting their own assets. arguments of inheritance rights have no standing if the person advocating for them does not believe and advocate for reparations as well.

the black/brown ppl who actually want "gibs" are those who have a direct heritage to US slaves, and who quite literally have had a history of their assets and fruit of their productive labors denied them. this is a useful wedge to use on either side for establishment Dem/GOP. as a first generation black person of immigrants, i do not feel entitled to reparations. but i will advocate on behalf of my black and brown friends who it is owed to.

>>134346814
>i believe something because of this very strong evidence i have seen

>no i cannot give you even the most basic account of this evidence i have seen for i have no long term memory.

Just admit you haven't verified your evidence. Be a man.

>>134347276
>This isn't a useful scapegoat argument.
You're right, it's a simple yes/no question designed to prove your claim that economy is everything wrong.
>No it isn't. Socioeconomic status is the number one indicator or crime.
Feel free to provide a source correlating crime to socioeconomic status and race then, in your case preferrably from the FBI, thank you.

>>134347001
>If they could find a way to let the poor people die quickly, en masse, that would really help a lot of them
Or at least kick the fucking illegals out. But the only people pushing for higher minimum wage can't politically stomach it. This is why I hate the two party system. You're in a party of morons no matter what you do.

>>134343584
a fucking leaf

>>134343840
>Spain and France not white
Fuck off stupid shitskin

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>>134346620
>The best indicator of crime and homelessness is poverty, not race.
kek

>>134346273
Another difficulty that I can't find a contentable solution for is the size of the company - there ought to be some difference drawn for large companies with record profits that can absorb wage increases but are just greedy, and small "mom and pop" businesses that can't. Even outside minimum wage raises, this is an issue, like for regulation changes that require mass investment to appease (eg ontario's abbatoir changes following the listeriosis crisis).

I think in the US, the cutoff is 500 employees to be considered a large company - but that doesn't mean anything about profit and there is certainly a difference between companies with 500, 1000, 5000, 10000+ employees and the revenues/profits they generate.

I'm not content with any solutions, becasue as soon as any penalties come to one bracket, companies will work to restructure to avoid paying it. ,

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>>134347413
>people read it if you include a pic
>so here's a guy that did NOTHING wrong


Most of you ITT are looking at narrow, specific issues that happen to be adopted by the left right now. I don't see a lot of talk getting at what the fundamental of leftism is. What links it all together. Because really, environmentalism and gay marriage (for examples) and all that can be arrived at from rightist or leftist perspectives, affecting what you really intend to achieve with them. We need a unified theory, a theme, that really defines what leftism is in its psychological drives, underlying all the specific issues that come and go. And I think I found it. I figured out what it is. It really crystallized for me during all this suicidal migrant-love, but I think it drives any kind of leftism in any society, in any time and place because any flavor of leftism is relative to the society it grew up in. There is no permanent, fixed, leftist truth; leftist dogma is relative to its cultural environment. So what is the unifying theme?
>here it comes~~~~~~~~~~
It is a rejection, a destruction, of anything associated with the self-identity. This applies both to individual self-identities and social/collective group self-identities.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Think about every kind of leftist movement ever. They've always been the "anti" faction, the one that seeks to degrade and destroy what is within, or seeks to help and save what is without. It's a kind of self-destructiveness, only at a social scale.

>>134347512
>>134347512
Coming from Canada, multiple party systems are not much better. But you can always join and take part. Run for office. Some jurisdictions in the US run unchallenged even.

>>134347986
nevermind, I misread the title

>WHAT IS LEFTISM ACTUALLY CORRECT ABOUT?
versus
>WHAT IS LEFTISM ACTUALLY ABOUT?

>>134333663
But they are that problem

>>134347286
I've never heard a good argument against this

>>134333066
absolutely nothing. there is always some fuckface who is unhappy with monotony and tries to fucking ruin it for everyone. and you know what? they are never "for the best for everyone" because that fuckface or group ends up taking the lions share of everything for themselves.
its just another avenue for taking from the masses for an individuals gain

>>134347986
sorry, it's not an absolute scale. What is Left today might not have been Left yesterday, the same as what is Right today was not Right yesterday. There are philosophical absolutes, but in terms of policies or themes that drive them today, there is no such underlying value.

Eg. Government supported healthcare was left in the US a decade ago. Currently, the Right is trying to do it better, and it's not a Right position as well.

>>134348164
gotcha

>>134333066
fag marriage desu

>>134333066
i love abortion. i can let chad cum his hot steamy load deep up in my cunt then call doctor shekelstein to vacuum it out so i don't have to raise the little brat. teehee!

>>134342830
If you latch on to the commodity supply chain as the end all be all of human interaction, you've missed the point of life. (((Religion))), or quasi-religious totalitarian ideologies like (((Marxism))) or (((Socialism))), control the way you approach such questions, and hence is much more fundamental than the means of production.

>>134333066
reforming the corporate-prison complex and prisons in general.

>>134333236
The benefits of proecting the environment is minimal unless done on a global scale. To do on a global scale would require > 100 avg. IQ in al countries worldwide ie not happening. Because of that, environmentalism within only first world countries is basically shooting yourself in the foot.

>>134348479
>What is Left today might not have been Left yesterday, the same as what is Right today was not Right yesterday.
You didn't read the post. I already covered this and went much further

>>134349198
it's not the end all, be all

but you're gonna sounds quite silly if you don't take into account ppl's material situation in their social interactions.

people need food and shelter. these things are created through the private ownership of productive means. therefore, although commodities aren't the end all be all, they certainly are important as the things ppl need happen to be commodities, and the only way to attain them is through labor or already having the necessary capital to acquire them

unless you were suggesting something else totally unrelated?

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>>134347276
>No it isn't. Socioeconomic status is the number one indicator or crime
>mfw there are goys who actually believe this

>>134333066
Leftism is only "correct" about abortion to the extent the harm to inferior ethnic groups is bigger than the harm to superior ethnic groups.

In a society where a superior ethnic group is the only one, or almost the only one, abortion would be unmitigated harm.

Leftists don't accept that, they want to push abortion on all societies, including white ones, including white neighborhoods. They are not "correct" in this, they are at best partially useful for a limited time in some particular circumstances. Even their ideological reasons for abortion are wrong, even if the outcome in a society with significant number of shitskins happens to be a net positive.

ITT people unironically attempting to shill for leftist ideology.

>>134334675
This. It is a cash crop of huge potential and legalization would clear out prisons so the rapists, thieves abd murderers might actually serve more than 2 years at a time.

>>134351664
But I'd also see every single repeat violent offender get the needle with every death sentence only being allowed 1 appeal. So my prisons would be pretty empty regardless. Too bad the right loves criminal cock barely less than the left.

>>134343840
>Spain and France not white
Oh when will this stupid meme die

Also
>encroaching on native territories
GO BACK TO PLEBBIT YOU FUCKING LOW IQ LEFTIST SHILL CUNTSTAIN NO ONE LOVES YOU

GET JOHN MCCAIN SYNDROME AND DIE FAGGOT

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>>134343207
>I'm smarter than scientists

>>134333066
nothing comes to mind...

>>134342976

I dont want my taxes supporting niggers who will rape my kids

>>134333236
then how come it's always leftists that leave a huge mess after "Save the Earth Day"?

>>134350364
>went much further
no you didn't

>really defines what leftism is in its psychological drives, underlying all the specific issues that come and go
>issue that comes and goes (anti-self-identity)
demonstrably false since early Left created the idea of individualism in the first place.

>recognizing relative right-left scale and believing there is objective drive behind Left
durrrrrr

>>134333066
Stop us being slaves and working in a factory for 14 hours a day like Victorian Britain.

Infact, take away liberalism and thats what we have, we'd all be working class victorians basically, where kids work and die in factories, no time off, no medical care unless you're rich, no food except basics, unless you're rich etc etc.

>>134351968
Scientists say there's more than two genders and race doesn't exist
Do you believe that too?

>>134351159
There has actually been a monumental, academics-wide statistical fraud going on in all of the western world for the past half century.

Time for an important redpill.

Basically, when measuring outcomes for shitskins/migrants, they "correct for" one or more of a set of factory: INCOME, EDUCATION LEVEL, and/or EMPLOYMENT STATUS.

For example: How criminal are second-generation aslum seekers? When we CORRECT FOR income/education/jobs, they are not so criminal after all.

What "correcting for" means in this instance is complex, but basically comparing them with the native population that has these particular markers (compare unemployed shitskins with unemployed whites, etc). Or, find the negative effect for a white person of being poor and jobless, and subtract this effect from the immigrant.

This is all well and god IF AND ONLY IF THE NEGATIVE STATUS BEING CORRECTED FOR IS ONE THEY ARE UNABLE TO INFLUENCE THEMSELVES.

But this is usually not the case. Usually there would be a common factor behind e.g. both unemployment and crime, or behind low education and crime, or behind low income and crime. E.g. simply low IQ, being inbred or aggressiveness in the genes.

In this case, "correcting for" the former erases the negative effect on the latter.

I will present a practical example.

>>134352870
Can you give me any citations or papers from actual scientists which say that?
Or are you just gonna post a meme of Bill Nye the bachelors in engineering guy saying gender's a spectrum?

>>134353185
I'm not gonna google for you dumb nigger
God is the best scientist on earth and he made man and woman

>>134333066
That capitalism is unfair

>>134333066

*crickets*

>>134353074
cont.

Let's say you're measuring life expectancy of smokers vs nonsmokers. However, all the smokers happened to also be exposed to life-shortening radiation, taking exactly 5 years off their life.

In that case we can validly "correct for" the life-shortening radiation, by adding 5 years to their age at death. This creates comparable groups, and lets you compare the expected age of death for smokers vs nonsmokers, corrected for radiation exposure.

Let's instead say the native population has a wide spectrum of people, from the top quality ones who have good incomes, good jobs and good educations, to a few bottom-quality ones. The bottom-quality ones have no jobs, poor education and commit much crime.

Then, a bunch of ape-like Somalis immigrate. Because they are all ape-like, they cannot get jobs or make very little money, cannot fulfil education, and are very criminal.

When you "correct for" their low education and income, you are basically comparing them to the bottom of the native population. What will be the result? THEY ARE NO MORE CRIMINAL THAN THE NATIVE POPULATION!

So you will have a massive number of shitskin immigrants in your country who are incapable of functioning - but because you also had a few natives like this, we can "correct for" the full range of self-caused socioeconomic factor, and reach the result that the immigrants are no different whatsoever from the natives.

This is quite complex and hard to grasp. But it's an academic fraud that exists in the entire Western world for decades.

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>>134353323
God may very well have created man and woman but I doubt he got a degree and became a scientist. Also, nice one resorting to ad hominem.

>>134353591
Thanks Norway, that was interesting.

>>134353348
Life isn't fair. Deal with it.

>>134353650
God invented science

>>134333066
Literally nothing. Even their conclusions that might be "right" were found by faulty rational given to them by imploding ideologies. Leftism in the current year is an umbrella term for dead ideologies that haven't had an original thought in many decades. The far fringes of the right wing are where actual original political theory is being developed. The right is on the verge of a renaissance of ideas that is going to crush leftism once and for all and catipult society to the next level. Anything good the left ever thought of will be retooled, reformed and innovated by the right. The left is dead and useless. Its best for everyone, including them, if they are treated that way so that we can all move on

They are correct on identifying most problems, but fail at identifying what are their true causes and providing a satisfactory solution.

>>134354095
So how did God create science? God can create life, not science.

>>134353912
Let me just find a few examples of this in practice:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime
> By controlling for socioeconomic and demographic factors, the gap between immigrants and natives is reduced but not fully.

"The index is standardized by both age and socioeconomic status. "

"Those with immigrant background are overrepresented in Swedish crime statistics, but research shows that socioeconomic factors, such as unemployment, poverty, exclusion language, and other skills explain most of difference in crime rates between immigrants and natives"

"By taking account of socioeconomic factors (gender, age, education and income), the crime rate gap between immigrants and natives decreases.[118]"

"A 2013 study done by Stockholm University showed that the 2005 study's difference was due to the socioeconomic differences (e.g. family income, growing up in a poor neighborhood) between people born in Sweden and those born abroad"

"Both the 1996 and 2005 reports have been criticized for using insufficient controls for socioeconomic factors."

"The authors find that "legal status... explains one-half to two-thirds of the observed differences in crime rates between legal and illegal immigrants""

"A 2009 study found "that the share of immigrants in the population has no significant impact on crime rates once immigrants’ economic circumstances are controlled for"

The notion that you must "CORRECT FOR" something the immigrant themselves causes, (income, education, legal status) is everywhere in academia.

>>134333066
left
>all men are created equal
I agree, however I also agree how and where you are raised directly results in the type of person you become

>>134354333
God created everything scientists research

>>134354333
to make an apple pie from scratch one must first create the universe

>>134355828
And that makes him a scientist how exactly? A being that is omnipotent and omniscient could easily create a universe.

>>134356220
Because he invented science retard

>>134356485
>A scientist is a person engaging in a systematic activity to acquire knowledge that describes and predicts the natural world

>>134342145
what negative impact does gay marriage have on straight marriages? absolutely zero. the only respectable argument against gay marriage is on religious grounds but it's stupid to expect everyone else to conform to your own religious beliefs.

You say there's no reason gay's should be allowed to marry, i say there's no reason why they SHOULDN'T be allowed.

>>134334675
Psychedelics too.

>>134333066
trump. Literally trump. also climate change.

Being skeptical and critical of corporations.

Anyone who spouts 'don't trust the government' just to bend over to the whim of a corporation may as well just spread their ass too.

That's a whole lot of nothing guys. So far I have

>abortion
but it's only a net benefit when otherwise-out-of-control minority populations need to be controlled, and would be a negative force in homogeneous white societies

>socialized systems
can possibly be good in homogeneous white societies with high levels of moral cohesion (Nazi Germany)

>anthropomorphic climate change
is possibly correct and conservatives should probably be more vocal about ecological/natural preservation (parks, rural land, rivers, etc.)

>being gay or getting gay married is alright
but don't be a dildo helmet faggot because it just makes moral conservatives hate you

>capitalism can result in abuses of power
because it can result in the coalescence of power to the point that competition is suppressed or absorbed by those who already hold capital
I would probably argue that government enables this to happen. But I like the points that >>134342792 made and I think capitalism is our best option in the West. This post goes towards supporting the 2nd point.

So these are only five things, and they all have caveats or require clarification. I wouldn't call them pure truths. I was expecting statements like "genetic intelligence differences exist between races" but lefty versions. I don't think Leftist ideology has anything comparable. It doesn't have any bombs and doesn't have anything that aligns with natural truth.

>>134358388
Also more spending to education, there is literally zero reason to not have intelligent workers and consumers.

Minimum wage and other labor laws are good for society up to a certain point.
Wage and employment negotiation is not a free market of exchange as the employee needs employment more than the corporation needs the employee, this is especially true for low skilled or entry level work. The employee has essentially no bargaining power in such a scenario.

>>134358524
>atheism
I missed this one but immediately remembered it. It's something which is technically correct (or very much seems to be), but it's not wielded correctly. I think Jordan Peterson has made a great case for why traditional Christian/Western values are important, and how atheism, even if it's true, doesn't do anything to replace those extremely important structures which are ancient (pre-Christian). I used to be quite an edge fedora tipper and now I'm pretty relaxed about it. I value the existence of Christians and think they're on average much better for society than Leftist atheists. I'm convinced that atheism is correct about the metaphysics, but needs to provide something satisfying in the way of culture before I consider it a wholly beneficial force.

That said, I don't think Leftism even deserves to claim atheism. I think it's just a matter that a majority of proclaimed atheists are also Leftists. This is true because atheism kind of "cleans out the house" of moral and beneficial structures and allows the Leftist ideologues to put their own in place. So I wouldn't actually put it on the list.

>>134341641
Apart from two of them becoming president?

Otherwise you're correct. However, rightfags would rather circlejerk about how they ~*~feel~*~ about muh abortions and muh ebul wimminz and sekshumul liberashun without regard for real costs and consequences.