Holohoax?

>>134327071
1. Slave labor.
2. Why? They were war memoirs, and the Holocaust is not relevant to their stories.
3. Auschwitz was a large camp complex. Most Jews performed slave labor, only some were sent to the death camps.
4. Do you think people might have taken it the wrong way if the Nazis just started indiscriminately murdering people? And again, slave labor.
5. Many things happened in the Reich without a direct written order. Hitler often times communicated things to his executives and generals, who then followed through. No need to write anything.

>>134327071
6. One Holocaust denier saying this doesn't matter. Almost every serious scholar of the Holocaust says 6 million Jews and 4 million others.
7. Why would the Nazis be sending blatant messages about genocide to the camps? Also the Japanese did the same thing, referring to humans as "logs." It dehumanizes the victims and helps mentally justify the actions. Human behavior doesn't always make sense.
8. Depends on where you are at Auschwitz, which was a large compound.
9. I don't know many people who have suggested anyone was murdered in the Western camps. It makes sense the death camps would be in the East, in Poland, where the Nazis planned on colonizing Poland and Russia.
10. What is it with Holocaust deniers claiming Zyklon B is harmless while also claiming it's super lethal and explosive? It's almost like these people don't actually understand chemistry, and are just trying to deny the Holocaust! To answer your "question" it depends on the concentration of Zyklon B, doesn't it?

>>134327071
11. Yes, actual Holocaut deniers have proven this not to be true. Most pop history is bullshit. By the way, it wasn't denier who proved that, but actual scholars.
12. See above.
13. Why? He never saw the gas chambers, and if he did, he presumably would have died, now wouldn't he?
14. Just realized you don't even have a 13th point. Sad!
15. Really? Virtually every single one? Are you perhaps exaggerating a little bit? Also, why do you think he was infamous?

>>134327071
16. Treblinka was proven to have been a Communist massacre, not a Nazi one. I bet you believe it happened now?
17. Eye-witness testimony is generally quite reliable. We can also look at Nazi records and make certain inferences.
18. I think it should be legal, but Jews are very rich.
19. Because it is? Those "first-rate scholars" tend to be self-described? Why do Holocaust deniers apply such piss-poor understanding of how History is studied if they are such good scholars?
20. What the fuck are you even on about?
21. Unreliable testimony, colored by harsh memories?

No response?

>>134330687
imgur.com/a/UNhwa
Get out JIDF.

>>134330687

OP was probably expecting pepes and positive confirmation.

>>134330943
Newfags get out. I'm not JIDF, I think Jews should all go to Israel, but I'm also not a retarded Holocaust denier.

>>134327071

It's impossible to have ano intelligent conversation about this because the (((state)))) had made it illegal to talk about

>>134331146
wow you must be retarded
the evidence is all there

>>134331445
let's have an intelligent conversation now then- can you actually refute any of my counterpoints?

>>134330687
shoo shoo eternal jew

>>134331931
It's mostly more stupid lies of the exact same sort OP posted. I'll sum it up by just saying:
Auschwitz was a labor camp primarily. The part of the complex where people were killed was separate from the rest. Why does it even matter, who cares if the Holocaust happened or not?

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>>134328345
>>134328968
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>>134329814
>When you can smell the shekels through the floor

Eyewitness testimony must be corroborated by physical and scientific evidence to properly accepted.

Testifying to scientifically impossible things discredits so called eyewitness evidence.

>>134327071
Oh boy, this thread again. Has the leaf who stalks /pol/ for these made his appearance yet?

>muh holohoax
>b-b-but we should totally do it a second time
>all evidence is fake
>(((they))) are here in the thread!!!!

K we can 404 now

>>134332351
>(You) disagree with my ill-informed opinion so you must be a lying Jew

>>134332310
(((them)))

>>134332612
Save yourself the time bro. It's the same ~10 guys in every one of these threads shilling their anti-Semitic books and YouTube channels and shit. They'll just REEE at you any time you point out a blatant lie they make.

>>134332716
Some of these are baseless assertions, and the others just stupidity. Do you really think Auschwitz having a pool for model inmates at one end of the camp means the entire camp was some kind of wonderland?

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>>134332791
Ok Goldberg

>>134333177
>>134332791
See, like this cute little guy here.

>>134331146
>>134330687
>>134329814
>>134329300
>>134328968
>>134328345
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>>134332310
>>134332612
>>134332967
>I'm not JIDF
>makes 10 posts of 23 defending holocaust

>>134333898
I'm a historian, so I don't appreciate denialism, regardless of the source.

>>134334061
>denialism
it's called revisionism, and any historian knows that. neck yourself JIDF.

>>134334061
make it 11

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>>134333258
>100% sweetie

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>>134334447
No, it isn't. Revision is when you study something to uncover new details about it. Holocaust deniers enter with the mindset, "I'm going to prove that the Holocaust didn't happen!" and then do so. By the way, all major revisions to the Holocaust were the result of scholars, not deniers.

>>134334521
Shhh shhh. It's ok shnookums. Just go back to posting the flawed "redpills" so this one can 404 with y'all baiting the Spaniard a bit more.

>>134334844
>snookums?
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>>134335015
Never seen that one before. 8/10. This thread is now worth. You have my blessing

>>134334609
Plenty of scholars debate whether the Nazis planned to genocide Jews or not. I tend to think not. That is not denial. Some Jews were murdered systematically and denying that is absurd. A real historian who doubted the narrative would look for solid evidence, and not discount all existing evidence as a lie. Same with the gas chambers. The death toll is a number that can be questioned, but requires evidence and reasoned debate- which most deniers are not interested in due to their ideological conviction.

>>134335171
>denying that is absurd
Is that how we're supposed to think? Thank you for telling me how to think, steinberg.

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>>134327071

>posting the wrong image

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(((holocaust survivor)))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5swsAY67KlY
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5swsAY67KlY

>>134335398
The Nazis had motive and opportunity, and they had no ideological compunction with genocide. Why is it so hard to believe they killed people?

>Le Silence de Heidegger

Daily reminder that Jewish Dr. Roger Dommergue Polacco de Menasce mercilessly and completely debunked the "holocaust" in his book "Le Silence de Heidegger", which hasn't seen a rebuttal to this day.

His 10 main points are:

1- The evidence gathered by the Zundel trials, especially the Leuchter report.
2- The fact that only about 3.5 million Jews lived in Europe during that period according to the American Jewish Year Book.
3- The evidence presented by professor Robert Faurisson, which the Jews refused to debate in public.
4- Paul Rassinier's testimony affirming that he had never heard of gassings during his imprisonment in German concentration camps, only after the war.
5- Henri Roques' debunking of the Gerstein Report.
6- The forgery of photos of the last three months of the war with fake captions.
7- The blatant psychological, arithmetical and technical imposture of the "6 million Jews gassed" figure.
8- How the Human Rights Movement never expresses opposition to the crimes of Marxism (Jewish-Bolshevism), yet keeps bringing up the "6 million holocausted Jews".
9- Why does the modern political paranoia judges the 60 million genocided by the Marxist Jew Lazar Kaganovich and his comrades, among who was Joseph Stalin, to be somehow inferior to the alleged 6 million exterminated by Adolf Hitler.
10- The work of revisionist historians is perfectly valid, for they will help demystify the incredible hysteria and bad faith that is the "six million in the gas chambers" theme provokes.

He also mentions the opinions of Jews opposed to the "holocaust" ruse like G.J. Burg, Miss Grossmann, Benedict Kautsky, Jacob Timermam and Leon Jick.

Seriously, the holocaust is not up to debate anymore. It's been exhaustively proven to be a fraud. We've falled into a spiral of silence though, for speaking against this deception is forbidden by law.

>>134332716
>zyclon b
>dissinfectant

zyclon b has prussic acid in it (hydrogen cynide) using this as dissifectant is as effective as using musterd gas as moutrefresher.
you know why the b is in zyclon?
Hydrogen cyanide, a poisonous gas that interferes with cellular respiration, was first used as a pesticide in California in the 1880s. Research at Degesch of Germany led to the development of Zyklon (later known as Zyklon A), a pesticide which released hydrogen cyanide upon exposure to water and heat. It was banned after a similar product was used by Germany as a chemical weapon in World War I. In 1922, Degesch was purchased by Degussa, where a team of chemists that included Walter Heerdt (de) and Bruno Tesch developed a method of packaging hydrogen cyanide in sealed canisters along with a cautionary eye irritant and adsorbent stabilizers. The new product was also named Zyklon, but it became known as Zyklon B to distinguish it from the earlier version. Uses included delousing clothing and disinfesting ships, warehouses, and trains.
Nuremburg Document #NI-9912: The Degesch Manual
As mentioned above in the technical data section, hydrogen cyanide is often used as a fumigant for ships, warehouses, and dwellings. Cyanide can be used to kill vermin and insects, but it will not kill bacteria. It is therefore useless for disinfecting anything, but it will eliminate vermin that harbor pathogens.

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>>134335745
>Why is it so hard to believe they killed people?
see
>>134334609

>>134335745
>The Nazis had motive and opportunity, and they had no ideological compunction with genocide. Why is it so hard to believe they killed people?

how do you disprove that the nurmburg trails where fake and the natsoc leaders where tortured to confes to skewed numbers?

How Britain tortured Nazi PoWs: The horrifying interrogation methods that belie our proud boast that we fought a clean war
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223831/How-Britain-tortured-Nazi-PoWs-The-horrifying-interrogation-methods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html
How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

>>134335916
>implying a holoxoaxer would know salmonella typhi is a bacterium

>>134336002
Hitler planned to colonize Eastern Europe. How do you think that was going to happen? Mass murder and sterilization. See Generalplan Ost. They we're going to kill a lot more than 10 million people.

>>134336297
>pure conjecture

>>134329814
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>>134328345
>LE YOU ARE LE JIDF XDDDDD
I remember when we could debate in this shithole. So far people have given you no arguments. It's the same when i tell them i study economics and i critizice capitalism. I get like 3 ancaps telling me i am a communist without giving me any arguments.

>>134336212
>they were beaten, deprived of sleep and forced to assume stress positions for days at a time.
sounds like standard american procedure in modern time :)

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>>134336297
>Mass murder and sterilization. See Generalplan Ost

bullshit.

the had an entire ukrianian division
>hungarian
>finish
>czekaslovak troops
>latvian
>and some other countries these where called the foreing legions.


>>134336546
how about you anser my qeustions? we can have a nice debate mate.

>>134336212

>>134336638
You forgot your kekistani flag magepede! XDDDDD

>>134336649
Why are you even wasting your time responding to conjecture?

>>134336649
check IDs

>>134336464
>Core components of Nazi ideology is just conjecture
>An actual plan laid out is just conjecture
Do you know the term "Lebensraum?" Did you know Hitler wanted to find this Lebensraum in the East? How do you think this was going to happen, if not through genocide? Why does it matter anyway? Who cares how many people they killed or planned on killing?

>>134336610
>sounds like standard american procedure in modern time :)

alot of the torture tactics where developed years back nothing will beat waterboarding.
Why are you even wasting your time responding to conjecture?

i responded to the wrong id.

>>134336546
>>134332791

>>134335916

The key point here, is that zyklon-b is not a bactericide, it does not kill bacteria. Hence, it is pointless to clean morgue rooms with it. Yet, we find traces of it (Leuchter, Rudolf, Krakow reports) in the morgue rooms that were used as homicidal gas chambers.

Considering the majority of those gassed at Auschwitz weren't from the camp but the fresh train arrivals considered useless to the labor force and therefore denied entry to the camp, these people never received disinfected prison clothing. Their bodies in the morgue, even if clothed, could not have left behind cyanide traces UNLESS they were killed by homicidal gassing. And if they werent, where did they go? There are no records of large quantities of trains full of children, infants, elderly etc. leaving Auschwitz but there are plenty records of entire city/ghetto populations being taken there.

>>134336649
Yes, because using foreign soldiers in wartime means they were just going to throw all ideology out the window. Also, they weren't going to literally kill every single one. Look up Generalplan Ost.
Also, the Ukrainians hated the Nazis almost as bad as the Soviets because of the horrendous treatment by the Reichkomissar there.

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>>134336843
They needed to contain the Jews, not exterminate them. We put the Japanese in concentration camps to contain them, not exterminate.

>>134337104
>Yes, because using foreign soldiers in wartime means they were just going to throw all ideology out the window.


he doesnt mention colonization anywhere in mein kampf he mainly mentiones getting back the former german colony's in africa and restoring some of the lost german land from ww1.

>>134337420
>doesn't mention colonization
>German colonies in Africa

Bruh

>>134337161
They were put in the camps for labor. At some point the Nazis also began the process of exterminating them. The Americans did not have an ideology centered around (((Japanese))) people being subversive parasites destroying the world, so that's not really a relevant fact.

>>134337104
>Yes, because using foreign soldiers in wartime means they were just going to throw all ideology out the window.


many jewish soldiers that served in ww1 got honarary aranship and where not subjeted to the nurmburg laws.

>>134337556
"restoring "former colony's in east africa like namibia.

>>134337594
>At some point the Nazis also began the process of exterminating them.
Simply not true. When the allies bombed the supply lines they starved.

>>134337420
Lebensraum. Also, have you read The Myth of the 20th Century? What about what Hitler said about Siberia being the new frontier, like the old Wild West? Farmer-pioneer-soldiers were going to colonize the conquered lands. That's why the Nazis created programs to send German settlers to Poland and the Baltic States, and eventually Russia up to the Urals.

>>134337594
>They were put in the camps for labor. At some point the Nazis also began the process of exterminating them.
the final solution is called the final solution for a reason.

as they gave quite alot of opportunities for the jewish population to leave such as the haavara agreement. and they later considered the madagaskar plan but that was stopped by the naval blockade.

>>134337888
This is true.

>>134337826

>When the allies bombed the supply lines they starved.

[citation needed]

inb4 "duuuuuuude look at the aerial pictures of german cities in 1945 and like...duhh"

>>134337675
Bruh. The colonies in Africa. Those are from colonization.

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>>134338035
>[citation needed]
Kek, that's an established fact. Stop feeling so guilty.

>>134337840
>Siberia being the new frontier


siberia is a very very lone and sparsly populated. if been there before mate.

im not giong to deny that during operation barbrossa they comited atrocities tho i dont have many citations for that.

>>134338041
and deu the treaty of versiales they lost them and hitler wanted them back.

>>134338035
>[citation needed]

many of the trains and supply lines where bombed when the allies gained air superiority over france.

>The Americans did not have an ideology centered around (((Japanese))) people being subversive parasites destroying the world

have you ever seen some of the propaganda posters of the japanese during ww2?

or the fact that the americans literaly firbombed entire cities into the ground.

>>134338210

>kek established fact lel
>posts no source again
>instead posts unrelated pic with more errors (Eichmann was born in Solingen, Germany)

>>134338844
dambusters where one thing.
but i almost forgt to menion the stratigic and the terror bombing that happened in the german cities.

and industries.

>>134338525

>many of the trains and supply lines were bombed when the allies gained air superiority over france

can you name a single concentration camp whose train lines and/or supply lines were destroyed/badly damaged by allied bombing so that any historian can affirm this worsened the supply situation of the camp and therefore led to increased disease/starvation?

Thought so.

>>134338995
>"fuck he's destroying me...."
>wut about THIS non-sequitor!!!!

>>134329814
>17. Eye-witness testimony is generally quite reliable. We can also look at Nazi records and make certain inferences.

Wrong. Eye witness testimony is proven to be almost worthless.

>>134339014
are you the austrian white knight that always appears in holocuast treads?

the one that mentioned nizkor?

>>134332310
>Why does it even matter, who cares if the Holocaust happened or not?

Apparently you

>>134339014
i enjoy watching you btfo of retards tbqh. it just never seems to get old.

>>134339134

>Wrong. Eye witness testimony is proven to be almost worthless.

t. goy who has never stepped into a courtroom in his life. ever.

>>134334061
I thought you were an economist?

>>134339014
To be fair, so far as I know this is a true statement. The Alllied bombing campaign is pretty well-documented and was quite successful. Of course, it's hard to gauge how many Jews died from starvation or disease, and how many died due to extermination. In fact, the two are probably related- as the Nazis ran out of food to feed the Jews, they presumably started killing the surplus that couldn't work and therefore was a waste of precious resources to feed.

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>>134328345

>Low tier bait and switch

>Low tier strawman arguments

>Oh mur gawd point 13 is missing OP is fucking retarded

> Uses "Sad!" Hey goys look I'm just like you

> Spanish ip to mix things up

Who cares if you have a valid argument, your strategy is fake and gay

>>134335171
You just agreed with OP clown
/thread

>>134328968
>Japanese did the same thing, referring to humans as "logs."
The Japanese also kept logs of what they did and after WW2 traded their freedom for their logs.
Many a Nazi scientist migrated to US after WW2 so there should have been a lot of proof of both their human experiments as well as the challenges and solutions to actually make the holocaust a reality. So what gives?

>>134339359
>>134339207

anwser my qeustion are you the faggot who said that he was nizkor 2.0?

>>134339475
starvation and disaise woud become alot more comon in the late war. as they ran out of resources and the allies started their bombing campians.

>>134339527
How exactly did I "bait and switch?" Also:
>Who cares if you have a valid argument
You can't be serious.

>>134327071

HAHAHA they're down to 21 questions now? First it was 121, then 66, then 30, pretty soon it'll be 0.

>>134339623
How?

>>134339657
namely operation paperclip for the natsoc scientists.


and unit 731 experimentation.[ American occupation authorities monitored the activities of former unit members, including reading and censoring their mail.[ The U.S. believed that the research data were valuable. The U.S. did not want other nations, particularly the Soviet Union, to acquire data on biological weapons.

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>>134327071
holohoaxers btfo 1

>>134339814
Technically just 20, since there is no question 13.

>>134339692
>anwser my qeustion are you the faggot who said that he was nizkor 2.0?
answer his. he asked first and its not off-topic like yours. i'm curious too.

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>>134339927
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>>134339692
>gotta try dismiss his person now because I can't beat his arguments

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>>134339977
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>>134340010
4

>>134339979
>>gotta try dismiss his person now because I can't beat his arguments


i saw his posts before in the other holocoast treads same austrian flag too.

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holocaust denial website caught faking a picture

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Here are four previous threads where holocaust deniers got absolutely BTFO and shut down
holocaust denial is a gateway drug to full autism
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/83556838/
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/75540958
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/90236707
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/85063081

>>134328345
1) Why use average people as slave labor? Why not make the most physically fit? Many holocaust survivors were quite old at the time
2) So across 8 books about WWII, the Holocaust is not needed? I could understand the memoirs of de Gaulle and Eisenhower, but Churchill's history?
3) Why give your slaves a brothel?
4) This doesn't explain why not just kill the unfit ones in secret instead of in public. This also contradicts your next point.
5) So the resources it takes to gas, cremate, and dispose of 6 million people (more people than in Chicago) requires little record keeping? Everyone can just keep track of the fuel it takes to run 20th century cremation ovens by verbal communication? They just decided who was good for slavery and good for gassing without any written test, examination, or advice from the higher-ups?
5)

>>134340277
>holocaust denial


>"everybody" whos skeptical of the holocuast is a complete denier XDXDXDXD.


i dont believe every thing about the holocuast nor do i deny it i take it with a grain of salt.

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>>134339014
(((historian))) You mean the history that was written by the victors?

The evidence is there with aerial photographs. The Birkenau camp was photographed a number times by reconnaissance planes that were intelligence gathering for a bombing mission on the IG Farben fuel and rubber manufacturing plant that was only 4km from the main camp. It was common practice for recon planes to start the camera rolling before the target, and stop filming some after. These photos were archived, until they were uncovered in 1978 by two photo analysts working for the CIA. They were re-annalised using the current information on Birkenau.

>>134340579
Stfu everyone knows what holocaust denial means. You're being reduced to semantics arguments because you have no refutation. Nobody thinks holocaust denial means absolute denial of anything happening

>>134340277
>holocaust denial
See
>>134334609

Fucking kike

>>134340499
>Why give your slaves a brothel?
the where used for the guards and the officers.

>>134340801
See>>134340796
Fucking brainlet
I will await your response to everything I posted
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>>134340051
>>134340010
>>134339977
>>134339927
>>134340277

>>134340499
1.You're right. Throughout history slaves have only been physically fit superhumans. Only the mightiest people on Earth can assemble things, or mine, etc.
2. No it wasn't. Eisenhower talked about the Holocaust elsewhere, as did Churchill and De Gaulle.
3. For model prisoners and guards. Why not?
4. They did kill the unfit ones in secret- at the camps.
5. There are records of mass movement of people and resources to the camps- there just is no physical document saying "start killing Jews."

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>>134340796
>Stfu

get of youre high horse faggot.

You're being reduced to semantics arguments because you have no refutation

here have some qeustions.


Irma Grese.
homosexuality was punisheble by exicution in the reich.
and miscegenation was illigal by the nuremburg laws she could not have slept with the prisoners
.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws


>How to Use a MOH's Hardness Pick Set on Concrete - WerkMaster.mov - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d7lSC-_4vok [Embed]

>Hardness Test - Before the Polish - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zn0C6-afHQw [Embed]

Thus fingernails can’t leave marks in concrete when scratching it. If concrete is scratched by fingernails, only a fingernail powder will be left on the scratched concrete surface (but no furrow) because fingernails are softer than concrete those scrathes where made by tourists like pic related.

fucking dog.

No refutation of the fact that it's almost impossible to cremate 6 million bodies in that time frame. No refutation of the Jewish population post ww2. Sorry schlomo, we are not onto your tricks.

>>134341247
They weren't all cremated. Population numbers could be wrong, particularly since the example I saw on this thread had specifically Ashenazi Jews in the first, and religious Jews of all sorts in the second.

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>>134339359
>Eye witness
>OY VEY GOYIM NEVER FORGET THE MASTURBATION MACHINES I SAW THEM!

>>134340051
If Hitler was aware of it you should show your proof to David Irving so you can collect a £1,000.00 reward

>>134341247
You realize they obviously didn't use crematorium to burn all the bodies right? And that when they did, they obviously didnt follow civilian regulations when doing so? Here have a read on pyres and fertilizer :
https://theswamp.media/the-holocaust-where-are-the-bodies

>>134341509
When there is a lot of corresponding accounts and evidence that can be verified, they are important and useful. In this case, this claim cannot be verified by physical evidence or eyewitness accounts from anyone else, presumably.

>>134335910
How has no one responded to this?

Could it be because there is no successfully arguing against it?

>>134328968
6) The David Irving part was not the meat of the question. The question, which you deliberately ignore, is how the Auschwitz toll went down by millions but the total remained almost the exact same.
7) See my rebuttal to number 5- hydrogen cyanide and oven fuel requires record keeping and messages. You can't send them by hand because allied bombers could kill your courier without you knowing.
8) True, but the water table doesn't drastically change over a facility that is less than a few square miles.
9) Since this is more of an opinion, it cannot be wrong. I'd like to know your reasoning on why this makes sense if it's in a war-torn occupied area and you want to efficiently kill over 10 million people. You are right on the western camps thing.
10) Zyklom B is harmless in certain doses, but enough to kill hundreds of humans at once (as is claimed) exceeds safe levels. You also act like all holocaust revisionists are one unanimous body, which is false.

>>134341503
>They weren't all cremated. Population numbers could be wrong, particularly since the example I saw on this thread had specifically Ashenazi Jews in the first, and religious Jews of all sorts in the second.
>>134341580


they ovens where probably for the typhus victems as the would need to burn those.

the rest would be trown into mass graves.

>>134341704
>When there is a lot of corresponding accounts and evidence that can be verified, they are important and useful. In this case, this claim cannot be verified by physical evidence or eyewitness accounts from anyone else, presumably.

some of the eye witnesses are bullshit fantasy stories some are treu.

>>134341728
I would have to actually research what he was claiming to be able to consider it. You've listed his ten points but I'm not too clear on what he's trying to say.

>>134341930
>but I'm not too clear on what he's trying to say.
Specifically what?

>>134329300
11) -12)
>Proving parts wrong about the holocaust is from scholars, not deniers!
Ignoring when parts are proven false, the deniers become scholars again. See 19.
13) Realistically there would be rumors circulating about how thousands disappeared weekly, and guard's conversation could be eavesdropped, but you are correct mostly as there is no objective way to prove my point.
14) Sounds like some superstitious bs to me.
15) This is not a rebuttal, but I will have to look into it. He would be considered infamous if he examined the majority of prisoners as the camp.

>>134335498

1) Probably to shoot partisans, over a space the size of North America, over 18 months, who can't possibly have killed and hidden ALL EVIDENCE OF 4 million people. kikelies.jpg
2) Because they were legally prohibited from making any other defense. Read the transcripts, kike.
3) Because it was a literal crime to do so.
4) Because kikes don't believe in free speech and forced them together.
5) Because of the prophecy of the founding of Israel requiring 6 million to die.
6) Extra soap for cleaning the Jew-funk off dirty kikes.
7) It was all from one hairy bear Jew, uncovered by lying Communists.
8) Omaha steaks. And/or prison transport.
9) Because they were prisoners. In America, you are given a minimal calorie diet. Are our prisoners "starving" even though a McDonalds is 2 miles away from the prison?
10) Burning 80k corpses a month would require at least 80k hours worth of burning. There are 744 hours in a month. There weren't 107.52 crematoriums. NiceTryKike.jpg
11) They became Soviet partisans and citizens. They fell behind the Iron Curtain. Many probably changed their names to sound Russian.
12) Because it's a felony anywhere to aid a prisoner.
13) To clean the typhus from the clothes.
14) Bad record-keeping, or outright forgeries from jewish teams of forgers, the same ones that were forging currency throughout the war.
15) Eastern front was rough. Nobody says it was pleasant. Doesn't make it a holocaust.
16) Yet it has been discovered over and over and over again, hence why we're arguing about it. Government policies rarely change. The Soviet Government said 15million were killed at one camp.
17) Forced population relocation is a crime.
18) Was Germany trolling when they let emigrant Jews repeatedly leave freely? niggaplease.jpg
19) no lie is too unbelievable when it comes to nazis.
20) Show me 6,000 bodies and you're 1% of the way there. Next stop: Babi Yar's missing 250k in a pit that just disappeared.
21) You can't take pictures in any US prison.

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>>134342032
how about you provide some number for the jewish population at the time and we count up?
pic related is best what i could find.

the offical claim was 6 million but it has now reached 11 million.

the natsocs annexed.
>belguim
>france
>denemarken
>slovakia
others.
and ofcoarse we include the toll at barbrossa.

>>134339459
check ID

>>134339769

>1 post from op

>highly subjective op content

>subjective responses

Facts over feels brother this is pretty transparent.

>Sad!

>>134340277
It's irrelevant because at the end of the day, it's still a crime in many countries to question (the single most essential part of learning) the story.
That alone is what's responsible for 99% of holocaust deniers and rightfully so.
If it was true, why wouldn't I be able to talk about it however I want because there is no questioning the facts?
Same shit as with climate change. The only obstacle between it's complete acceptance is that you aren't allowed to say it's bs. Still you are allowed (legally) to say it's absolute watery shit.

Now compare those 2 to science vs flat earthers. FEs are gonna get called morons and motherfucking mongoloids, but at the end of the day there really isn't any opposition towards people who believe in FE and most of all, no legal ramifications. You're a FE? You're a moron.
You're a holocaust denier? You're in jail.
You're a climate change denier? Here's a green tax of 20% of your annual income anyway.

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>>134342332

>>134335745

because there's no evidence and no bodies.

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>>134336800
>>134342339

>>134339359
http://www.apa.org/monitor/apr06/eyewitness.aspx

Stfu

>>134342443
do you have some llinks and more citations? if been tring to count up the numbers of the jews specifically but i cant find a good source every citation claims another number for the dead jews.

>>134341730
6. The original death toll for the Holocaust was considerably higher. When they reduced the Auschwitz count, they also lowered the overall count.
7. There are records! There is no document saying "start the Holocaust" but there is plenty of documentation of resources, etc.
8. Possibly, I might look into that more later. I'm not sure exactly how big Auschwitz is or the general topography there.
9. It makes sense to keep the most brutal camps away from your own people (out of sight, out of mind) and close to where they will be needed in the future.
10. I know I lumped holocaust deniers together there, but I have seen some who do this (A Wyatt Mann for one). Obviously the dose was sufficient to be lethal but not enough to require guards to wear protective clothing after waiting a bit. This would be a question better suited for chemists.

>>134339877
>ame with the gas chambers. The death toll is a number that can be questioned, but requires evidence and reasoned debate

This is OPs point. Read OP image again.

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>>134342699
I thought that was a quite thorough citation. Here's citation of the death tolls.

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>>134342426
>moving the goalposts
IMAGINE
MY
SHOCK

Have you ever heard of pic related? Or the countless hours of tape that was recorded of his conversations in Argentina before capture? Where he spoke freely of being the architect of the holocaust and the extermination of jews, gypsies, etc.?
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann#Argentina_Audiotapes_.281957.29
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann#Argentina_Audiotapes_.281957.29
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann#Argentina_Audiotapes_.281957.29

>>134342759
>6. The original death toll for the Holocaust was considerably higher. When they reduced the Auschwitz count, they also lowered the overall count.

wasnt the original count much higher?
and the lowered it later as they got more clair results.

>9. It makes sense to keep the most brutal camps away from your own people (out of sight, out of mind) and close to where they will be needed in the future.

didnt most die from either typhus infection or slave labour and malnourishment?

>>134342426
>compare holocaust deniers to flat earthers
Clever girl

>>134342226
11-12. The people who proved that weren't trying to prove that the Holocaust was just a big lie. They believed in the facts and they were searching to uncover the truth, while most Holocaust deniers are biased and already have a pre-conception of what they want to prove. Cognitive dissonance does the rest.
13. Not necessarily, when people are already dying. Besides, as far as they knew, those prisoners were just being relocated, not killed.
15. I don't know if he examined most of them or not, but the claim that almost all of them were examined is also a little weak. I doubt most prisoners at Auschwitz claimed to have been examined by Dr. Mengele. Many were, which lead to some lying about it, and deniers latching onto the fact.

>>134343041
alright faggot lets count up those numbers.

the claim is 6 million witch includes the murders at barbossa.
do you have any citations for the jewish population,

i have one in my post here.>>134342332


11-12. The people who proved that weren't trying to prove that the Holocaust was just a big lie. They believed in the facts and they were searching to uncover the truth, while most Holocaust deniers are biased and already have a pre-conception of what they want to prove. Cognitive dissonance does the rest.

>>134327071
>20

because the American Civil War wasn't a planned genocide

Why did the Germans go out of their way to destroy the evidence? I'm really tired of these Iranian proxies on /pol/.

>>134342888
But that is the opposite of what a denier does, which is come into an argument with a preconceived idea. They want to prove nobody was really gassed or killed, and then "prove" it.

>>134343455
>But that is the opposite of what a denier does, which is come into an argument with a preconceived idea. They want to prove nobody was really gassed or killed, and then "prove" it.


theres a diffrance between sombody who denies the holocuat and sombody whos skeptical about it.

I am real tired of people calling people who merely question some events of the holocaust a denier.
this term is a orwelian claptrap term to instantly shut down any opposition its comparible to saying racist.

>>134343455
No one is arguing that 'no one was gassed' just not 6 million+

>>134343041
Was replying to another person regarding a different subject and pointing out how fucked the laws are and why it occurs so freely.
I.e., my grandfather was imprisoned by Nazis when he was 16, but nowadays I get to read from Jews that it didn't happen. He didn't get shot in the back (he had massive scars of both entry and exit wounds) and didn't narrowly escape with his life only to be sent to gulags for the next 20 years of his life, which also according to some Jews didn't happen.
I guess he should've been a Jew.

As for your links, thanks, I'll go through them and gain 1 IQ point in history.

Only gas around here is the gaslighting

>>134335290
THIS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TOO MANY TIMES.

YOU'RE A LAZY FUCK.

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One question that I think we have all overlooked while following the money is:

"How does the Holocaust benefit Israel?"

It's a racket. No brainwash cycle - no Holocaust. No Holocaust - no Reparations or Guilt money. No money - chances are, no Israel. Add to that the reparations already paid by Germany - more than $120 billion Deutsche Mark, and no end yet in sight. You can see how valuable a tool the Holocaust has become to Israel.

Fucking Jews. Swear to God.

>>134342579
yeah it's because yours was the second fuckup of that type ITT

>>134343672
Skepticism is fine, and that is what I encourage. But it isn't rational to deny something there is plenty of evidence for. Actual historians who study the Holocaust are skeptics and rationalists. They want to do exactly what you are doing. When I say "denier" I am referring to people who literally deny established facts to fit their ideology, which is irrational and not skeptical.

>>134337161
You realize the first three posts there are all by the same person?

>>134343746
That isn't true, plenty of people do. And I think we all agree that 6 million weren't gassed, 6 million refers to the overall death toll.

>>134343929
What?

>>134337073
>lice
>a bacteria
Ok then. Alright. No point in even pretending you're not a moron for the sake of having a conversation

>>134343916
wtf are these kikes doing?

>>134344203
There is very little evidence that the Nazis killed 6+ million Jews. Believe what you want.

>>134344025
>Skepticism is fine, and that is what I encourage. But it isn't rational to deny something there is plenty of evidence for. Actual historians who study the Holocaust are skeptics and rationalists. They want to do exactly what you are doing. When I say "denier" I am referring to people who literally deny established facts to fit their ideology, which is irrational and not skeptical.


i im only skeptical about things that are actualy not fact or are subject to a healthy dose of skeptisism like.

irma grese raping the prisoners witch was illigal by the nuremburg laws.

the fingernail scratchings on the gas chambers.

and the lamps made of flesh witch has been debunked.
also the nuremburg trails are and need to be taken with a grain of salt as the officers and officials where tortured.

>>134344036
After having Bertie in all those years we know when we smell bulshit

>>134327071
Anon, I....

>>134337073
lice arent bacteria you fucking retard.

>>134344361
That bullshit you're smelling might just be schizophrenia.

if all the nazis came over in operation paper clip, why do the jews run america?????

>>134343808
interesting take. i feel you anon

>>134328345
>>134328968
>>134329300
>>134329814
Well,
that's also an answer

>>134344492
ITT: A small angry man posts furiously after realising after switching ip he can't get back to the op ip

>>134344264
Jews are the only known natural metal detector.

>>134344208
oh fugg... i responded to the wrong person. ironically, i thought i was responding to the anon i told to check ID

>>134344760
I'm a 6'4 chef at Wendy's with a 9 inch dick making 6 gorillion a year, actually.I bet you're actually OP, and this is all an elaborate troll.

>>134342332
Hitler did some good after all

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>>134344967
>yfw

>>134345332
>Hitler did some good after all

what is the context of youre post?

>>134327071
>crematoriums do not produce smoke
wat?

>>134345528
>wat
the pic that op posted has been debunked.

>>134345107
Awesome!

>There's no Wendy's in Spain

>Spanish IP

>muh 6 gorillion vpns

Hi op ;)

https://www.wendys.com/en-us/about-wendys/restaurants-around-the-world

>>134345714
Are you autistic, retarded, or both?

>>134327071
> Why use average people as slave labor?
Gulags weren't real, either?

btw, solving this legacy captcha took me 3 seconds. Opt out of the slowcaptcha garbage

>>134345714
>being this new
please stop. it hurts.

>>134345450
Being Edgy

>>134344760
you're an embarrasment to paddies everywhere

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>>134327071

>>134346335
He killed the thread with his autism. I still think he was actually OP, just trying to derail the thread he got BTFO in.

>>134346888
the holocuast was ju..

you cant say the polish didnt deserve it for what the deid to the germans.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Genocide_against_the_German_people


>>134347085
was op that much of a faggot that he tried to derail his own thread?

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>>134347085
Oh no he pressed his custom made BTFO key!

>Shit get down!
Notice your ID has HH in caps that's also awesome. I do want to derail this, I call bollox to your gaslighting.

>>134337073
>The key point here, is that zyklon-b is not a bactericide, it does not kill bacteria. Hence, it is pointless to clean morgue rooms with it. Yet, we find traces of it (Leuchter, Rudolf, Krakow reports) in the morgue rooms that were used as homicidal gas chambers.

The morgue (as well as barracks and other buildings) was fumigated with Zyklon B occasionally in order to kill the fucking LICE because it is a DELOUSING AGENT. How is killing the lice causing a typhus epidemic pointless?

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>>134347554

>>134347735
i think the austrian faggot is tring to argeu that it could be used for extermination and mass gassings.

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>>134347735
REQUIRED READING:
>>134343041
>>134340277
>>134340119
>>134340051
>>134340010
>>134339977
>>134339927
>>134341580

>millions upon millions were shot to death across Europe; even though the Nazis attempted to cover up their crimes, they could not cover it completely, leaving many dead in mass graves
[citation needed]
Sad pictures aren't arguments if you can't cite a report excavating the graves to even prove they were Jews to begin with. It's just an automatic, and fallacious, assumption. Should be easy, given how 'well-documented' the event is.

>>134343041
If the speech is legitimate, then the mountains of bodies can be exhumed and ID'd. Or are you dismissing Nazi assertions as "propaganda" when it is convenient? "Oh, he says Nazis are 'x'? Well, that's obviously a lie, those Nazis."
>those dumb nazis, they reference 'x' in a speech, obviously propaganda I need some physical evidence
>oh, a nazi affirmed my worldview? No need for any physical evidence, enough to make a statistically significant claim on behalf of a death toll, it's true because 'insert anecdotes here'

>>134339475
who do you work for buddy?

Interesting usage of the Spanish proxy.

5/10

>>134343041
Was a good read, but desu just resulted in more questions than answers.
In fact, I'd dare to say Eichmannwas just an narcissistic aspie blowing his contributions way out of proportions.
While there was plenty of references to herding the jews in many ways, there was also what was said in this part: "During cross-examination, prosecutor Hausner asked Eichmann if he considered himself....".
Given those are just translated excerpts of his replies, there is plenty of room for mistakes and lost words, but if I understood it correctly then is he not saying that the 0/0/5m kda didn't compose of jews?
(guilt about the murder of jews) "Legally not, but in the human sense … yes, for I am guilty of having deported them", strictly referring to jews, countered by "I will leap into my grave laughing because the feeling that I have five million human beings on my conscience is for me a source of extraordinary satisfaction" to which Eichmann replied with "that he was referring only to 'enemies of the Reich'".
Which not only means he didn't consider Jews as the enemies of reich (goes against some other Nazi documents), but that the 5m who's death he orchestrated wasn't Jewish to a significant degree?

Then there is other stuff suggesting similar things and also the opposite. Not too sure if what he said is a credible source.

>>134332612
>haha those dumb nazis, it's obviously just propaganda we can't trust them
>hey they just confirmed my worldview, this is now objective evidence because the source determines truth, as opposed to the evidence

>>134348843
This wasn't a speech you moron, this was a private conversation
and the question of the bodies is answered here:
https://theswamp.media/the-holocaust-where-are-the-bodies

>>134337073
>And if they werent, where did they go?
>well, obviously in the absence of a proper explanation, the default position is to substantiate my unfalsifiable assertion lacking in physical evidence to corroborate the death toll
From 'best documented' to 'well, if you can't show me where they went, they all 'insert explanation with no evidence', obviously. Now prove to me that didn't happen!'
Still not an argument.

>>134338844
Let's extend your own standard of evidence for the gassed victims. Oh wait...

>>134339014
Can you name a single mass grave that has been properly excavated, proving thousands and thousands died and that they were Jewish?
Thought so.

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Want to hear something worse than the holocaust? Something stormcucks will never admit?

Hitler killed tens of millions of actual Europeans. He destroyed every military and economy in Europe, including his own.

>>134349578
>This wasn't a speech you moron, this was a private conversation
and the question of the bodies is answered here:
Still an assertion not backed by physical evidence corroborating the death tolls. Oh wait, I forgot that you default to "this source confirms my claim, therefore the source determines truth". Still not an argument.
"Most Holocaust victims were not cremated in the ovens. There were only so many ovens built. Most of the dead were actually burned in funeral pyres where the Sonderkommando, the Jewish cremation work teams, would just pile on the corpses and burn them all outdoors. Ashes were buried, scattered, or used for fertilizer. Think of a huge wildfire… the ashes from that wildfire won’t stay there for more than a few days or weeks before seeping into the ground or blowing away."
At least you admit to making an unfalsifiable assertion.
Even your own camp agrees that they didn't destroy all the evidence; I've heard a two-third toll put forth. So even assuming 2/3 of the bodies are left over, that means there are still millions of bodies scattered across Europe. Even assuming 90%, that leaves about one million.
You are basically making the age-old "well, I have no physical evidence left over because it's all gone, but here lmao let me make a positive claim and dismiss a skeptic's neutral position because I just realized I actually do have the physical evidence required to make a claim on behalf of a death toll".

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>>134350049

>>134349794
They found graves at every major death camp. Are you stupid?

>>134340119
Isn't that the same ovens they said they used to put 8 bodies at a time in with? I've literally seen bigger pizza ovens.

>The rest are literally just (((translations))) made in mspaint

Wew. You know ever since the Holocaust™ it's been explained time and time and time again that there isn't a single recording or document that even comes close to mentioning any kind of extermination program. If there were it would be in every single school book. Fear not, some (((American))) with his (((wikipedia))) leaks and Microsoft Word type ups has solved the mystery.

>>134350398
>maybe if I spam ((())) I won't need to actually make arguments!

>>134350323
How many were within? Using the same standard of evidence asking for physical evidence, I'll ask that you cite a report excavating the bodies and examining the cause of death, attempting to ID them, and to prove if they were even Jews/Soviets/etc. to begin with.
Fallacy of composition to assume that what is true in part is true in whole. Just because you walk upon a few thousand bodies at a camp doesn't mean they were executed in your specific claim or that it had been going on for years if you lack the physical evidence.

>>134350588
>sad pictures of dead people=Jews
Now, I wouldn't be so quick to attack other people's arguments when you make fallacious leaps of logic with no supporting evidence.

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>>134350398
>recording or document that even comes close to mentioning any kind of extermination program
yes, there has, actually.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann#Argentina_Audiotapes_.281957.29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference#Proceedings
Himmler's telegrams, nurnburg trials (muh coercion)

Do you really think the Nazi's and the SS didn't actively purge documentation of their crimes against humanity once the tide of the war had changed and Germany was being invaded? Or do you think they wanted to freely let those out in the open to be prosecuted easily?

Virtually all historian who actually delves into the archival files agree. Yet somehow I'M the conspiracy theorist and not being 'neutral' in spite of mounds of evidence

look:
>>134339927
>>134339977
>>134340010
>>134340051

People find you guys insufferable cunts annoying because when presented with evidence, you use circular reasoning and bat it off as 'obvious jewish conspiratorial product'

>>134351364
>assertions that agree with my worldview don't require physical evidence anymore
Woah... so this is the power of historical accuracy...
>Virtually all historian
Who is "all historian"? In your appeal to majority, you couldn't even spell it out correctly.
>muh coercion
Woah... so this is the power of unbiased justice...
Keep on skipping any citation to that report I asked excavating the graves, btw.

>>134351364
Was hoping you'd care to comment on that one regarding Eichmann
>>134349375

>>134351689
>I demand the name, age, blood type, favorite food, full autopsy, and more for every single body found at extermination camps during a war or it's all a big lie by ((()))
>doesn't feel (more likely won't admit) this is absurd

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the Holocaust is a silly religion

>>134353017
When did I say that I asked for the favourite food? When did I ask that I wanted every single body exhumed? When did I say I asked for the blood type? Keep making shit up.
Really simple request: excavate the mass graves you allege exist to examine the nature of the execution, to prove if they were even Jews/Soviets/etc., and to provide physical evidence for the death toll. You don't need to go forth with a full autopsy... if you can't even cite the mass graves that are supposedly littered across Europe, beyond anecdotes. There is no physical evidence of them ever existing. The name and age would be useful if records exist. Again, you are only highlighting the difficulty in proving your death toll because there is a lot of information you are admitting you don't have. It's a massive allegation not backed by any evidence you're willing to cite, beyond making obvious strawmen.
Here's a little challenge, since we have IDs and all: please find me the point where I make such a claim asking for the favourite food. I am asking for an exhumation of the deceased to examine the nature of the execution and for you to submit any evidence relevant which proves they were Jews. It is fallacious to state 'look at these dead people, they are Jews now because I said so'. Or to extend the few thousand bodies found in mass graves and claim it exists on a ten-fold scale without sufficient evidence.
Oh, and you still haven't explained away how the Nazis never actually destroyed all the evidence for the bodies.

>>134335171
who gives a fuck, jews murdered 10s of millions of russians

stop wasting time believing the holocaust religion it is just stopping us investigating the russian holocaust

>>134328345
>We evil Nazis just want to kill all Jews!
>Eh, actually let's just kill a few of them and keep most of them alive
Makes sense

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>>134343855
At least we can agree on that.

>>134332310
Because the state of Israel is founded on the holocaust and if it is false then we know how easy we are manipulated and lied to

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>>134353571
How far do the goalposts have to be moved until you're convinced?

>>134354272
>asking for physical evidence of the mass graves
>this is moving the goalpost from asking for physical evidence of the mass graves
Again, really simple request that is directly related to your own assertions that they were Jews, etc.
I am asking for an exhumation of the deceased to examine the nature of the execution and for you to submit any evidence relevant which proves they were Jews.

>>134354272
Oh, and remember how upset you get when people use ad homs or just insult needlessly because it is counter-productive?

>>134354272
His request wasn't exactly outlandish.
Just asked for a report of an excavation where there was at least an attempt to ID (regardless of whether successful or not).

>>134344025

please name as many reputable scholars who have examined the holocaust with an open mind and gone into the "archives", who aren't jewish. I'd like to see your list.

>>134350049
Didn't France and Britain declare war on Germany and not the other way around?

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>>134343890
convincing argument you have there my friend

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The jews fear the Samurai.

>>134353810
They wanted them out of germany.