Redpill me on religion

there is no evidence against god
only edgy teenagers are athishits

>>134323694
God will be scientifically proven in a few decades.

>>134323694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDKGvg6HeyY&list=PLQ0PXV3djGQuAAShHwDI_2MWz9l6rsUBi&index=2

>>134323798

Ok, so then can I have some concrete evidence that will prove to me that he exists?

>>134323887

Being this retarded

>>134323694
the fact that we debate god as a concept and take this debate seriously proves that he exists at the very least as a concept capable of profoundly affecting the human mind.

>>134323887

They said the same shit a few decades ago. Not working.

>>134323997
You will see.
This reality is a simulation.

>>134323694
Most religion, especially theistic religion, is a massive bluepill, getting redpilled on religion means getting away from it and realizing how wrong/pathetic it is and finding a better, more realistic spirituality and understanding of reality outside of it.

>>134324069
This time it's different. We're approaching the tech. singularity. It's coming somewhere between 2025 and 2050

When AGI starts rewriting its own code. My guess is 2039

>>134324118

Drop more acid cia nigger cattle

>>134323973
Can you provide me with concrete proof the Mozambique exists?

>>134323887
>>134323997
he's right though. Theology, god and religion are to the behaviour of qualia what science is to the behaviour of matter.

>>134324151
Okay but I need evidence as to why that's true. Give me factual reasoning.

>>134323694
if there was a skydaddy, humanity is at an age where intervention via miracles is no longer age-appropriate and it should stand on its own two feet unless imminent danger of us all moving back home at the same time

there's enough seemingly intelligent design elements in ourselves and our immediate universe that ruling out a superintelligence responsible for it would be foolish. Such a progenitor would not necessarily need or want our attention or worship, and would likely try to hide itself as we do working with lower life forms as well.

>>134324232

Read Kierkegaard

>>134324205
>cia nigger cattle
You realize you're using terminology from someone who is extremely religious?

>>134324232
That's not entirely true. People try to piece together science and God, though it never works. If we can't interpret Genesis literally, how can we interpret God as a whole?

>>134324432
Read Teilhard de Chardin

>>134324441

I am religious, Gods existence is not to be proven

>>134324456
>If we can't interpret Genesis literally
Why do you think it was meant to be interpreted literally?
Even the early church fathers didn't.

>>134324578
>Gods existence is not to be proven
Fideist cuck.

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>>134324207
Now give me evidence of God, or the lack of one.

>>134324659

Actualizing the self and understanding fate and freewill is cuckolding yeah sounds good

if there is a God, he's a devil
especially if we're talking about the Old Testament

God kills almost every living thing on Earth because a tiny part of his own creation offended him.

>>134324594
>Why do you think it was meant to be interpreted literally?

That wasn't my point. I meant to ask what the point of interpreting ANY of the Bible literally if we can't interpret its foundation literally. It's logically inconsistent to interpret one part of a holy book literally and another part not.

>>134324854
Noah's Ark was one of the things that generally turned me off about God. If he really is omniscient/omnipotent, then he can find a way to avoid drowning everyone while maintaining the same message, right?

Asking if God is real is like the Minecraft guy asking if Notch is real.

>>134324679
>or lack of one
Proving a negative isn't possible. It is the burden of the one asserting a positive (god exists) to demonstrate the truth of their claim.

>>134323694
Read mere christianity by cs lewis
>>134323973
You cannot prove the supernatural by means of the natural. There are things that point towards the likelihood of a God (the idea of beauty, the ridiculously fine tuned aspects of the universe, etc.) You will not find the architect of a house somewhere in the walls, but he can leave clues to let you know it was designed.

>>134325090
Actually kekked

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>>134323694

Reminder pol is a Christian board

>>134323694

"I need more evidence to prove to myself he's not real"

This is called proving a negative. It's also called the argument from ignorance.

It's like asking me to prove there aren't a race of five-assed aliens living in the Andromeda galaxy. I have no way to prove that there aren't five-assed aliens living in the Andromeda galaxy, but there is no evidence to suggest there are any, either. Maybe they're out there, but we have no reason to think they are.

Here's another example of what you're asking for. Let's say someone has cancer, and the treatment fails. The doctor gives the cancer patient 3 months to live. A month later, the patient returns to the doctor to find out that the cancer is in remission, and the doctor does not know why. What you want is proof that the cancer going into remission is not an "act of god". In this case, our inability to adequately explain something is taken as evidence of god. However, this is a fallacy called "God of the Gaps".

Ultimately, any claim made requires evidence. So if you claim "there is no god", you've made a claim that must be supported. Likewise if you claim "there is a god".

I'm a negative atheist (I grew up Christian as well), meaning I see no evidence that there is a god, but I don;t explicitly claim there is no god. I see no evidence to support the existence of a god and so I do not worship one. I acknowledge there COULD be a god, but again, I have no reason to think there is one.

>>134324835
>muh self-actualization
Religion is not for your self-actualization but for the glory of God.

>>134323997
>Quantum-shit, 11 dimensions, time defying sub-atomic physics, dark energy, end of time, possible infinite timelines.
God seems more rational compared to that.

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>>134325615
>Christians literally cannot stop being delusional
>more news at 11

>>134325563

For the glory of everyone for the glory of god. You want math and the state to perform miracles for weaklings that can't percieve their own inadequacies and lack respect of their own suffering, and therefore all suffering

>>134325563
Prove it then

>>134325047
and that's of course just a fictional story
the real world is in a sense even more brutal

when you take a look for example at what precisely happened at the end of the Cretaceous when the non-avian dinosaurs died out. It's so unbelievable, the absolutely pitiless level of extreme calamity, it completely beggars believe.

>>134324917
The Bible is a collection of many books - the early book reflect a very primitive understanding of God, the later reflect a fuller understanding

The Bible was not written by God. It's inspired.

The Quran claims to be written by God.

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proof for the lord thousands of videos

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheGroxt1/videos

>>134323694
>I'm slowly losing any real reason to believe in God, but I feel I need more evidence to prove to myself he's not real. I grew up Christian (no specific denomination although my family did teach me some Catholic ideas)

theres no proof for god but theres no proof agianst a "god" or higher power existing.
also im not talking about the abrahamic god jus tthe concept of "god".

Just become a deist, getting rid of all the semitic shit that comes with religion
>Manichean dualism
>servile, arse-lifting attitude to gods
>hatred of nature
>universality/wogs have souls that you should care about

>>134325615
>God seems more rational compared to shit that's actually researched

I mean all that shit came from actual scientific/mathematical research about how things actually behave in the Universe but I'll take God over it because it makes more sense to my lazy ass

>>134323694
Here you go:

1. Modern Christianity is utter bullshit. The Catholic Church cherry picked the texts it would refer to as "canon" -- then heavily edited them. Google: Nag Hammadi Library

2. Early Christianity recognized god as being an imperfect being. The recognized a force outside of our universe as being the <<architect>>. Google: Gnosticism

3. Ancient Judaism was polytheistic and heavily focused on magic and rituals. Even the Hebrew language speaks volumes about that. Google: Hebrew Gematria

4. Christianity is a mystic school and not a religion as some would tell you. The extreme changes to biblical texts hid the truth about what it really is. Give the masses the milk, and save the meat for the elites. Google: Christian mysticism, Google: Hermeticism, Google: Freemasonry

>>134323694
Our universe is supernatural in nature. In the beginning, if there were nothing, there would still be nothing. An eternal God would have to exist for anything to be here in the first place.

I will never give atheists any credibility until they can find a way around this. Pro tip, it's impossible.

>>134325745
No - it's all for God, his Son and his Elect.
>>134325804
I cannot prove it yet. But it's clear from 3 hypotheses:
1) we're headed towards a tech. singularity;
2) Einstein's "4D time" --- the flow of time is illusory, present, past and future all exist simultaneously;
3) "retrocausality" of quantum physics is possible.

1+2+3 = God

>>134323694
religions are corrupted by kikes and bs but god is real

you're welcome

>>134323694
Just do some research yourself. This is pretty compelling pile of evidence IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/user/AronRa

>>134325834

The Qur'an claims to be written by Muhammed, who transcribed the visions he received from the angel Jibril (Gabriel), who was relaying to Muhammed what Allah was saying. Essentially, the Qur'an was written by a guy who heard from another guy that Allah said something.

>>134326165
minimal effort response.

acceptable.

>>134326155

I hope you find yourself one day, friend.

>>134326049
>then heavily edited them

or the councel of nicea the old and the new testament have been heavly edited and skewed by the catolics.

thats partialy why the protestants rebeled in the first place.

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God is real

Spirituality is very important to life

Religion is just a manipulative belief system with some truth used to hold the manipulative lies together

Dig the truth(word of god) out of every religion (budhism is good) and try to find God on your own. You are on the Path Of Light brother, be patient and never give up.

>>134326258
"Finding yourself" is something for 2deep4u teenagers who first read Nietzsche.

A serious thinker only cares about finding the Absolute/God, not themselves.

>>134326049

Christianity is a belief system and this is the only definition that fits. If you are talking about denominations the be specific in which ones.

>>134326475
>Absolute/God,

an absolute god cannot exist.

for example can this god make a stone he cannot lift?

if not hes not an omnipotent god.
if yes he not a god as he cannot make it.

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>>134326394
>Religion is a manipulative belief system
>Buddhism is God
LMAO

>>134326109

Yeah try explaining it to atheists. For some reason they can't seem to fathom that exitence itself validates the creator. I've tried so many times in so many ways.

>>134326049
They got the book order wrong for sure, giving prominence to (((Paul))).

>>134326475

You are a mess.

>>134325615
There are formulas leading to quantum physics. And you can actually prove them yourself.

There is nothing leading to god except the simplicity of its concept.

>>134326681
God doesn't lift things like a human does, idiot.

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>>134326681

I find your lack of faith disconcerning.

>>134326728
Buddhism is a manipulative belief system just lile cuckstianity, it just has good parts to it you mongrel.

>>134326757
>existence itself validates the creator

Sounds like God of the Gaps to me. Don't understand it, slap God on it.

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the whole world is as a matrix showing the end times of the bible coming

there isnt a single commercial/movie that isnt showing you the end times of the bible over and over right in front of everyone

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheGroxt1/videos

>>134326984
This

Lifting only happens in this simulation just like i cant cast fireballs the way my mage does. It wouldnt make sense to cast fireballs in this dimension, only in the simulation

>>134327022

Yeah sure god of god gaps. Come back to me once something comes out of nothing and someone is there to document it.

>>134323999
No shit, Sherlock.

>>134327140
>the simulation
Assuming we're in one to begin with

>>134326984
>God doesn't lift things like a human does, idiot.

how do you know how god works?

>I find your lack of faith disconcerning.

so? it still doesnt anwser my qeustion youre baiting around the bush if he cant make a rock he cannot lift hes not omnipotent.

>>134323694
There no evidence for or against it. Its merely something we humans developed out of boredom and the need to find purpose. It was then adapted to be a tool to help early life on this plant live healthy and safely while building up good moral traits.
Then it turn into a weapon to control the masses in some cases but isn't much of an issue today except for extremist.
Just don't be a faggot if you believe or don't.

>>134327110
Thats just entry level meme magic you sub-autistic retard

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>>134323694
Religion= man made construction
What you need if personal faith in god
Don't let the words and actions of others direct your faith,brethren

>>134327192
There are already several theories in place of the Universe's beginning that have nothing to do with God. Maybe there is no beginning after all. Maybe there is one, and anything before that couldn't have been "before" it because time was nonexistent.

>>134327246
Call it reality, the matrix, pandora, whatever

We are all "consciousness" flowing through "avatars" and James Cameron needs to redpill the world in his next film

>>134327258

He made the comic I posted. He made you. He made rocks. What do you think god is exactly? It seems the only way for you to be able to believe is to be shown a paradox. Well go look in a mirror.

>>134327451
Sure junior.

>>134324244
>wanting facts to base faith
That's not how it works anon

>>134323694
You have to live by faith, but it's a rewarding existence.

>>134327110
"I think there's a god because of some random rocks that look like faces."

Humans will try to see patterns in everything. That is normal and it doesn't prove anything.

>>134327528
>He made the comic I posted. He made you. He made rocks.


are you tring to pull some 2 deep 4 you faggotry?

when im talking about god i mean a literal omnipotent god.

>>134327590
If faith is all we have to go off of, what's the point? That just makes Christianity as void as all the other religions.

>>134327662

Yeah so am I. I just don't pretend to be able to understand him cause we never fucking will so give up and have faith. That is the message and take it or leave it.

>>134327258
Anything in the position to make matter is obviously not going to be limited to his two burly arms to do the lifting. At least try to think, okay?

>>134323694
Religion is what society puts together trying to survive. It gives people something constructive to rally behind so they don't get lost to anything else.

>>134327852
>Anything in the position to make matter is obviously not going to be limited to his two burly arms to do the lifting. At least try to think, okay?
are you talking about the abrahamic god?
if so it literaly mentions in the bible that he made us in his image.

if otherwise could he move the rock that he made unmoveble?

>>134323694
I hope god is real but I've never experienced a closeness or a feeling of being in the presence of god like many christians describe. I've tried to pray many times also, sometimes for myself but mainly for the wellbeing of others and it seems ignored, I've asked to take burdens from others unto myself and again ignored. Why would god not punish me instead of another if I request it to spare them?

It all points to god not being real ultimately and simply a construct created by mankind like thousands before it.

>>134327801
>Yeah so am I. I just don't pretend to be able to understand him cause we never fucking will so give up and have faith. That is the message and take it or leave it.

well thats treu otherwise you go insane like nietze and spiral into hedonistic nihelism.

>>134327801
You know, if there's no proof of it, there's no reason to believe it.

I'm certain you can understand that, yes?

"Faith" is just an excuse to dissuade people from questioning whatever bullshit they're trying to push.

>>134328211
That clears that up.

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>>134323973
https://youtu.be/3_2T47PAIkM

>>134326252
yeah just make sure you don't believe in the same shit with normies and you'll be fine

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People couldn't explain plenty of natural phenomena, so they attributed it to beings greater than themselves, or Gods.

Greedy, educated men took this concept and used it to both control large swathes of uneducated people by scaring them into behaving morally and taking some of their money. Life was shit and if the afterlife was your only promise of bliss/horrible agony, and you didn't know any better, you believed in God.

Most who questioned the dogma were silenced or killed, and thus religion meme'd on for millennia.

Could there be an actual omnipotent God? Sure, but I highly doubt it.

>>134328211

No I don't agree. It seems to me that you are not sharing my definition of what god is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zMf_8hkCdc

>>134328211
>You know, if there's no proof of it, there's no reason to believe it.
>I'm certain you can understand that, yes?
>"Faith" is just an excuse to dissuade people from questioning whatever bullshit they're trying to push.

theres definitely some kindof creator or a supernatural "thing" beyond explination since our whole universe came out of nothin voilating the rules of thermodynamics namely the one that says you cant create something out of nothing.

>>134327645
>Humans will try to see patterns in everything. That is normal and it doesn't prove anything.
And, like paranoia, where according to (((authorities))), only suspicion but never trust can be pathological, the pathologists also ignore the opposite pole, where there's no pathological name for people who are oblivious to the patterns that are bloody well obvious.

>>134328074
Being made in God's image does not mean that we are identical. By that logic we should have the power to create matter like Him. You really need to think about this more.

>>134323694
Don't make your belief a gamble because you want to have a religion, there are hundreds of religions but only one truth, it is very easy to tell religions are manmade in spite of living prophets as prophets for many religions have lived, so the excuse that a certain prophet lived doesn't justify having a religion, you can simply believe in God without religion, OP.

I personally think the true religion has a lord of darkness and a lord of light and is gnostic because I had an experience where I reached gnosis and I've had experiences of a godlike power (with lesser power that the actual god) competing for power. The competitor (the evil one) wanted me to be a christian, while the actual God let me be as the gnosis was enough.

>>134328524

It doesn't violate any law of thermodynamics because no energy was created or lost. It simply existed in a different phase before the big bang, all energy was condensed to a single point. There's still the same net energy in the system after the big bang, spread out over an expanding space.

>>134328576
Then what DOES "in his image" mean? If we do not follow his same morals, actions, power, or physical image, then what?

>>134328392
>Greedy, educated men took this concept and used it to both control large swathes of uneducated people by scaring them into behaving morally and taking some of their money. Life was shit and if the afterlife was your only promise of bliss/horrible agony, and you didn't know any better, you believed in God.


you do know that people used to believe in pagan gods before le ebil christianity showed up?
religeon is a tool that can be used both for good and for bad.

>Being made in God's image does not mean that we are identical. By that logic we should have the power to create matter like Him. You really need to think about this more.

what do you think the forbiden fruit was forbiden?

also this argument is futile since god is omnipotent he could essentialy be whatever he wants to be.

>>134323694
But God IS real.
Excluding my personal reasoning and so on, it can also be shown to be more rational to believe in God than to not. The chances are that you don't *want* to believe in God because you don't want to be held accountable for your actions.

They're not perfect, but there are some decent apologists here-and-there. William Lane Craig is decent-enough entry stuff.

>>134324679
If we go by many atheist's criteria of proof, that's not proof Mozambique exists. Neither is a photo. Neither is a flag. Nothing is.

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>>134324594
>Even the early church fathers didn't.
Maybe because they're heretics.

>>134328765
>It doesn't violate any law of thermodynamics because no energy was created or lost. It simply existed in a different phase before the big bang, all energy was condensed to a single point. There's still the same net energy in the system after the big bang, spread out over an expanding space.

what created it?
nothing can be made of nothingness. unless you involve the suprnatural.

thats why most "scientist" simply believe time itself and space always existed since the very biggining.

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>>134328788

Of course I fucking know that you dimwit. I was detailing a concept that men have been using since long before Christianity came about.

Make up bullshit > scare uneducated people with it > exploit them for money and power.

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>>134323694

god is real, here is a picture of him

>>134328776
That's up to personal interpretation. Personally I believe that it refers to our mutual appreciation for metaphor.

The Church preaches the idea of giving up oneself for others. I'd rather not.

>>134323694
Brush up on all the other redpills, in some strange way many lead back to religion. Whether or not it's the same religion people practice today is up to you.

>>134329098
>Make up bullshit > scare uneducated people with it > exploit them for money and power.


you do know this can be applied to almost every idioligy's and religeons right?

altough i do agree namely con artist like muhhamed made theire own little moon cult.

https://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.com/2017/06/muhammads-inspiration-by-judaism-it-was.html
http://archive.is/VKsgh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagarism

also the abrahmic god in all likelyhood doesnt exist the concept of a god and the creation of the universe is a qeustion simply beyond human comprehention.

>>134328776
The word used is like the word used by a silversmith when he purifies silver. When the silver is purified, he can look into the silver and see himself. He can see his image, on the silver.

When God created Adam, He blew His Holy Spirit, the Breath of Life, into Adam's nostrils, and Adam became a living being. God could look at Adam and see Himself in Adam; He could see His Holy Spirit living within Adam.

When Adam and Eve fell, and lost the Holy Spirit, they could only make children in their dead and fallen image.

So while Man was the glory of God, and woman the glory of Man, both lost what was necessary to be in God's image.

Regaining what they lost is the entire point of Christianity; regaining the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit of God, Who transforms all believers into the likeness of Jesus Christ.

So that He can once again look at us, and see Himself.

>>134328553
Swedens flag looks like Reich's one, that must mean all swedes are nazis.
That's an obvious pattern btw.

>>134328861
>it can be more rational to believe
>therefore he exists
You missed some logical steps there.
>The chances are that you don't *want* to believe in God because you don't want to be held accountable for your actions
I dont pretend to talk to an invisible person and ask for forgiveness, if i do something wrong i man up and apologize then make it right.
>If we go by many atheist's criteria of proof, that's not proof Mozambique exists
Aside from you being able to go there. It doesnt rely solely on a book that has quite a large number of inconsistencies.

>>134323973
Do you believe Absolute, Objective Truth exists?
Yes?

Then the Truth exists independently of you, it is higher than you, it is a metaphysical concept which you cannot alter or affect.

Therefore, the Truth is God.

If you abandon God, you can only use Subjective Truth which is destructive and incoherent.

Check Mulla Sadra and St. Thomas Aquinas for more.

>>134329465
All your sins were against God, Whom you cannot see.

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üstad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oldj11NEsc0

>>134329424
>don't eat from this tree goys it kills (a lie)
>eat from the tree and you shall know good from evil
>*munch*
>*knows good from evil* (a truth)
>REEE what did you do! *Kicks them from heaven to avoid that they eat from the tree of life* (this was confessed from his mouth)

Not a trustworthy character.

>>134329465
>You missed some logical steps there.
I didn't give you logical steps, fool.

>>134329465
>if i do something wrong i man up and apologize then make it right.
HA, sure.

>>134329465
>Aside from you being able to go there
How would you know they're not fake, though? How do you know people aren't just lying? I mean, """Mozambique""", huh? Lol some nowhere in """Africa""". Do you really want to believe there's some island where there are weird animals and stuff? That's like, totally made up. Same as Australia. No such place.

>>134328524
*sight* And, pray tell, what's origin of such "creator" or "thing".

And what's to stop the origin of the origin have an origin?

And so on.

By the very same logic you applied we can go from an universe that started with Creator to an universe which goes so far back that it may aswell never have started.

However, due to the fact that we exist, we must admit that the universe began at some point.

And why should that point not be the Big Bang, which how scientists have been able to interpret the current line of evidence, although whether they're right this time is still highly uncertain (and statistically unlikely - a notion all respectable physicists admit to themselves), rather than an with an mystic creator-figure you think up as a way to rationalize you childhood indoctrination?

>>134329222

I dunno man seems pretty spot on to me. Jesus had two eyes, two ears, one nose, two nostrils, two arms etc.

We seem to be pretty similar in my opinion.

>>134323694
Consider the fact all isolated tribes of people have their own matching stories of floods and giants that match the bible's description of events, consider the fact there are pyramids on all continents that locals when "discovered" by western man all have claimed already was there when they arrived and that they were built by the giants.
Consider the fact there have been found giant skeletons with six fingers, six toes and red hair.
consider the fact that the building technique used on the pyramids in Egypt makes them earthquake proof and one of them is actually a 8 sided pyramid that marks the equinox and that we could only replicate that in modern times, with all our combined effort
consider the fact that the building techniques used all over the world of this kind is of a similar design and that it have become shittier over time as humans have "evolved and learned"

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Religion is needed to control the masses. Whether you believe in God or not, there is no denying a christian life style is the best lifestyle. Without western religion, the world will fall apart.

Contrary to popular belief, the western world became superior because of Christianity. Are you going to go around preaching how God doesn't exist because you just wanna seem smarter than everyone?

Or are you gonna save western civilization and preach the word of God so we can continue our path towards superiority?

>>134329621
Im not sure how to reply to your opinion.

>>134329679
also if god is omnipotent how could he not see the betrayal coming when he made the tree?

was it a set up scheme?


>>134329758
hats why i said in my post that its supernatural you cannot solve this qeustion with science as the laws of physics dont apply to the creation of the universe its beyond explination and as such supernatural.

>>134329679

That's where you should start thinking.

In what manner did Adam and Eve die the very same day they ate the fruit, as God said? We know they lived physically for centuries, and had dozens of children. Not exactly what dead people do.

So what is the death God was talking about?

It was separation from Him. He is Life. when the Holy Spirit fled Adam and Eve, the Life within them left and they died, spiritually. He who has the Spirit, has life. He who has not the Spirit, has not life.

You think death is the cessation of life, because you have been conned into thinking you're a finite being.

Your father, the father of lies, tricked Eve into thinking that the fruit was not poisonous; that it was delicious.

That lie killed humanity. God did not say the fruit was poisonous; God said the day you eat it, you will surely die.

And they did.

>>134329758
The Creator is an eternal spirit being without beginning or end.

>>134329960
>N-no, muh god is just
Nah, he's the lord of evil, he blamed humans for doing something that they couldn't know was wrong because the knowledge of what is right and wrong was given by that fruit.

He's a cunt.

>>134329708
>sure
Ok? Lol
>How would you know they're not fake, though?
Because going to mozambique under no odd circumstances is sufficient for me. It can be disproven if im not there.

>>134329809
If you go to a kingdom and kill one of the king's pages, does the king himself not put you to death?

Why? You didn't kill the king.

You killed something that was under the authority of the king, and the king has the right to punish you for it.

>>134329758
>And why should that point not be the Big Bang,

becuase the big bang is bullshit it still doesnt anwser the creation of it and it voilates the laws of physics as agian nothing can be created out of nothingness.

thats why most scientist simply believe the universe always existed .
the big bang is a proxy explination.

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>>134327192

>The chances are that you don't *want* to believe in God because you don't want to be held accountable for your actions.

There's no god, you just *want* to believe in him and have a simple explanation of the world around you.

>If we go by many atheist's criteria of proof, that's not proof Mozambique exists.

There's no proof that you exist then. It's just you applying wrong version of criteria.

>>134330008
>The Creator is an eternal spirit being without beginning or end.

alpha and omega beginning and end?
so youre assuming a god has always existed?

>>134329907
Yes, it was a set up. No two humans would have avoided the tree forever. It's not in our nature.

Which was revealed to us by God via the forbidden fruit.

If you go to a buffet and they say you can have anything you want, but not the shrimp, the first thing you're going to do is bitch about not being able to have the shrimp. And then nip some of the shrimp.

>>134330076
>they couldn't know was wrong

God told them it was wrong, they did it anyway. That's like telling your child not to run out in the street and he did it anyway, but it's OK because "he didn't know it was wrong", you just told him it was.

>>134329763
Jesus was just a form God took in order to dwell among us.

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>primitive people try to make sense of the world around them
>"hmmm, you know, I bet God/gods/spirits/ancestors/etc are the cause of this natural phenomenon."
>The people in power realize that this is a great way to keep people in line (this isn't necessarily a bad thing)
>Establish religious orders, churches, governments etc
>Religion helps establish culture or at the very least is a part of it
>Religion might also have some dogmatic elements such as rejection of conflicting ideology/facts

And there you have it, religion. You can believe or not.

>>134330076
Obey God v obey the serpent.

While Eve was deceived, Adam was not, and both of them knew they deserved their punishment. They joined the rebellion of the devil against God, and deserved death.

>>134330274
>Which was revealed to us by God via the forbidden fruit.

you do know god punished adam and eve for it ?right he knew the would fall for it.

now where according to christian mytholigy all suffring becuase of the dicision of our ancestors.

>>134330120
When you prove he exists then i will agree.

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BTW FYI contrary to what neckbeards say atheism is not a scientific stance but a philosphical stance. It’s also the most illogical stance out of all.

>>134330231
There is only one God, and He has always existed. He is Existence.

>>134330310

Not just some form... the form of man, gods own favorite creation created in his image. But yeah I agree.

>>134330348
Primitive. The people who built the great pyramid at Giza, that we still do not fully comprehend.

Primitive.

>>134330078
>Because going to mozambique under no odd circumstances is sufficient for me. It can be disproven if im not there.
But have you ever SEEN Mozambique? With your own two eyes? No, just deluded people who talk about going there on this big island with long-necked animals where brown people come from, and then there's this one magical place where they miraculously speak Portuguese even though there's no evidence to support it. Anyone who says Mozambique or Australia are real are Zambiqui shills trying to destroy the west's beaches.

>>134330484
>There is only one God, and He has always existed. He is Existence.

so he created himself?
if so he doesnt follow entropy and is in all deu reality a literal god.

>>134330439
Yup. They both suffered the natural consequences of being abandoned by the Holy Spirit, then they were exiled from the Garden of Eden, and then they were individually cursed. Their sin brought pain, disease, suffering and death into the world.

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>>134323694
Even if you maintain that God does not exist, its still a net positive to act as if God is real.

We have evidence of religious beliefs in humans for the last 100 000 years. In 100 years the concept of the divine has been dismantled systematically. Huge resources spent on promoting atheism and attacking religion, christianity in particular. Ask yourself why. Because atheism will lead to some "scientific" (read: ideological) utopia? We had that in the east bloc.

Belief immunizes you against subversion and (((social engineering))). Thats why our shadowy overlords want it gone.

>>134330287
Difference is God knew it would happen. It's a part of his "plan"

>>134330274
He gave Adam and Eve a choice. It was never a setup because God gave free will. God didn't lead Eve into temptation. This is a common misconception

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>>134323694
Christian Buddhism

Gautama Buddha came to the Hindus just as Jesus Christ came to the Jews. Both essentially advocate for the same thing, you must cut yourself off from the material world, even your friends and family, renounce worldly things and turn inwardly to find God, to find Heaven, to find Enlightenment. Sin is karma, Hell is samsara, entering Heaven is attaining nirvana, to pray is not to speak outwardly toward some spirit in the sky, but to look inwardly, to the Holy Spirit within you, to meditate, prayer is not some vain repetition to be performed ritualistically in some Synagogue, but something done in private, in silence, and rather than being some active worldly act is is the opposite, an inward-looking meditative state.

So let Jesus be your Buddha, the Buddha of the West, just as Gautama is the Buddha of the East.

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know you not, that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

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What is making you lose faith?

>>134330771
Sweden understands.

Humans NEED religion. societies do. No religion, society is easy to subvert. Look at what's happening in Sven's nation.

>>134330733
>Yup. They both suffered the natural consequences of being abandoned by the Holy Spirit, then they were exiled from the Garden of Eden, and then they were individually cursed. Their sin brought pain, disease, suffering and death into the world.


god knew this all the time he knew the tree would result in betrayal but he still created it and yo say god is merciful?

>>134330449
You do not have to know the king exists to sin against the king. Ignorance of the law, and ignorance of the king, is not a valid defense in any court of law.

The universe God created suffices to inform you that God exists, and He considers you "without excuse".

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>>134323694

God is real, but you will only maintain faith if you marry and have kids. To continue creation, to give on the gift of life is your only link to God and his divinity. If you refuse you will fall to the icy pit of Satan, between old cat ladies, fat lesbians and all the previously exploded goatfuckers of Allah. Oh and the sodomites.

Most of people are hopelessly dumb. It's reality. No scientific progress can fix it. The dominant part of science and technology is simply incomprehensible for the majority.

Just because someone hits the screen of a gayphone doesn't mean he is any cleverer as a cave man playing with stones.

There is absolutely no hope to get the majority more or less educated. And popular science renders a huge disservice -- it doesn't clarify anything, but only confuses. I can confirm this as a scientist myself. Science is simply unreachable for 99.9999999% of people. It's for elites.

So the majority will fill the gaps in their poor caveman minds with gods, astrology, aliens, virgin birth and other bullshit.

Christfags btw can't even fathom that their beliefs, although sound so exaltedly, are essentially not different to beliefs in trolls, goblins and Flying Spaghetti Monster.

And as a scientist, I can tell, that nothing can help the situation. It's simply the human nature. Laziness and stupidity.

>>134330614
I'm sure their religion existed BEFORE they constructed the pyramids. I mean, we know they have complex burial rites to prepare people for the afterlife, right? That's a religious/supernatural belief. Pyramids and the mummification process are part of someone's transition to the afterlife. I don't think they built the pyramids and developed their burial rites and THEN decided all the ceremony and construction had a religious purpose.

>>134330948

Yeah he makes it all worth it in the end for those that want the mercy. All you have to do is ask for it. Genuinly of course.

>>134330670
He has always existed.

He is not a created being.

>>134330961
This is a cliche but I'd go to heaven for the weather and hell for the company

>>134330614
>I don't understand some rocks in a desert, that must mean it was built by someone superior.

Maybe they actually were superior to you anon.

>>134323694
>Donald trump won
>John Mccain has brain cancer

where is your science now atheistfag

>>134330785
God is Alpha and Omega he knew both outcomes.

>>134330964
>IM ENLIGHTENED AND SMART AND
YOU GUYS ARE DUM DUM: the post

I feel bad for people who believe in God.

And I don't mean that in an insulting kind of way.

I genuinely feel a lot of empathy toward people who believe in God. It sounds horrible.

>>134330856
Then in your arrogance you believe you would not have fallen, as they did.

You presume you are better than Adam, better than Eve.

Your self-righteousness is nauseating.

>>134330964

>everyone is more dumb than me

Gee wiz Einstein tell me about your theories and we'll see lol.

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(((Abrahamic))) religions are blue pilled

>>134330948
Yup. God could let humanity breed into the trillions and all go to hell, and it would be holy, just and righteous.

In His mercy, He came down to earth and bore the punishment for all of our sins, so that whoever believes in Him may live in heaven forever, despite our entire race deserving to go to hell.

>>134331156
No arguments? As expected

>>134329907
He would only know it would happen if he actually makes the tree. If he doesn't make the tree then it wouldn't happen so he can't see it would happen.

Any bible fags here that are willing to answer some questions? Have a few that never made sense to me and would like to clear the air.

>>134331194

I have the same for atheists my friend.

>>134331047
>Yeah he makes it all worth it in the end for those that want the mercy.

>create a tree that is specifically disinged to bait curiostity
>know omnipotently the humans will eat it
>still let it happen
>frame them for it
>punish everybody even there grand grandchildren for a crime the did not commit.

give eternal punshment for those who dont believe in youre little scheme.
still be called merciful.
hows h not a tyrant?

>>134329907
Sweet Mother of Jesus, what ARE you ON about?

Sure, there are situations in the universe where our laws of physics don't work. Lay people know that, scientists know that, physicists know that. It's no secret to anyone.

Were we to divide knowledge in three categories, that of which we know, that of which we know we don't know, and that of which we don't even know we don't know, chances are the latter group is significantly larger than the first and second ones combined.

That's why everybody in the scientific community who works on these fields is currently hard at work theorizing, experimenting and discussing possible explanations to account for the model's failures.

There is no shame in admitting there are some things we don't yet know. Claiming to understand the mysteries of the universe is something religious folk do (and even then with infuriating vagueness).

People like you, who declare the not yet known as "unknownable", are the worst enemies of any evidence based endeavour to obtain a higher understanding.

What does it matter if the current laws of physics break down at certain points? They aren't supposed to be infallible.

And that's the key difference. If undeniable evidence appears that a God doesn't exist all the believers will be exposed for the utter fools they're. Now if a scientific model thought to be pretty robust were to be proven wrong, the scientists around the world would cheer excitedly and immediately throw themselves into research on the new fields opened up by the discovery.

I hope that cleared some things up.

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>>134331342
Shoot. But Captcha is being a bitch, so they had better be decent questions.

>>134331371
Why, though?

>>134330964
gooo away Dawkins

>>134331399

It's not him sentencing you to hell. It is yourself doing this. It is not a threat but a warning.

>>134331399
Why should the devil and his rebellious army not be confined in a lake of fire forever?

>>134330008
Says who?

>>134330964
>I smell my own asshole and pretend I'm a genius - the post.

>>134331194
I feel the same for atheists, tbqh. Especially knowing that on a societal level they always fail.

>>134331299
>genetic fallacy
Shoo shoo

>>134331452

Cause I've seen your lot and know where you go lol.

>>134331553
The Creator.

>>134323694
nearly all religions were created by men for political and spiritual power over people. Fighting over whose imaginary friends are better is ridiculous.

>>134331484
> t. brainlet

>>134331585
What is that supposed to mean?

>>134323694
God = Nature

>>134331573
> t. brainlet

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>>134331529
>Why should the devil and his rebellious army not be confined in a lake of fire forever?

why would satan punish his followers?
and the people who directly help him?

>It's not him sentencing you to hell. It is yourself doing this. It is not a threat but a warning.
give a being free will punish him to entirnity if he doesnt follow you.
and satan is sopposed to be the big bad boogieman?


> If undeniable evidence appears that a God doesn't exist

what the fuck are you talking about?
agian its inpossible to proof such a thing since the whole universe is supernatural in nature.

>>134331730
t. BRAAAAAAAAP-lover

>>134331674

It means the same thing it always does. People are doomed without religion, because our existence hinges on a covenant with god. Wether or not atheists believe, understand or want this
This is the truth.

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>>134331194
Oh enlighten me oh enlightened one

>>134331725

Leonardo de Vinci = The Mona Lisa

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>>134331664
*sigh* Don't lie, you either heard that from your parents, or a preacher.

>>134324151
This is exactly my view on things.

Why force yourself to be a part of some dogmatic organized religion when you can build your own faith and spirituality based on things you actually care about?

>>134331839
That's all you can do -- fart into air.

>>134331450
So before i ask the actual question that has been bugging me, I just nees clarification on this.
So what exactly is hell? More importantly, who runs/will run hell?

>>134331824
The devil and his followers are collectively being punished by God for their rebellion against Him.

Yes, if you use your free will to join the devil's rebellion, you will end up with the devil. How is that not just again?

The entire universe is not supernatural; it is the creation of the Creator, Who has made it for our existence. See, e.g., the Fine Tuning of the Universe for Life.

why would you need to prove yourself that he's not real?

>>134331299
>2 guys and 2 events = 2 billion people

Ephesians 5:22-33King James Version (KJV)

22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

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>>134331823
have a scientific framework that applies to almpost everthing one thing is unixplaineble lets take ftl travel

the whole framework comes down as everything needs to be rewriten and it means theres proof of the supernatural as it would allow time travel and infinite energy.

*sigh* Don't lie, you either heard that from your parents, or a preacher.

>t. nihelist

>>134332069
Only because you like it bb

>>134326109
>>134326757
This is a good, classic philosophical argument for there being a "first cause" that transcends nature, because natural phenomena always intuitively require an antecedent. The problem is this isn't an argument for capital G god, or even necessarily for an intelligent being, just for some force that's beyond cause and effect.

>>134331982
Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Exodus 3:14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

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>>134331674
What do you think atheism has to offer? Where does it lead? What happens when you take atheism to its logical conclusion?

Nihilism happens. You sever any contact with the metaphysical and you are so forced to live in the physical. Your new gods will be money and sex. Gadgets and perversions. A life with dignity becomes "irrational". A life of virtue becomes "irrational". As Dostojevskij wrote: "If God does not exist, everything is permitted".
Instead of filling your heart with the grace of God, you will fill your butthole with plastic dildos.

>>134332111
>Yes, if you use your free will to join the devil's rebellion, you will end up with the devil. How is that not just again?

do you know why the devil rebelled?
free will lucifer was essentialy the first libretarian.

Religion is pure cancer cast on man to divide it.
People cant tell the difference between faith and religion.

>>134331429
>Look guys I wrote a paper so I'm super smart

>>134332237

Watch the youtube vid I posted on what is and what is not god in christianity. For this thread this is as close I get to to a definition I am trying to argue exists and is god.

>>134332267
>What do you think atheism has to offer? Where does it lead? What happens when you take atheism to its logical conclusion?


theres a reason nietze went insane.

many atheist fedoras dont see the what he inplied by saying "god is dead"

Lets get some Vedic knowledge in here.
First you must ask your self who are you really. look at "your" body, analize every part, you will feel disconnected from you every part and its natural to think that your consciousness is your mind, But is that really. Every day people/living die around you,but you still fell like your gonna live forever(you must ass yourself deeply for a honest answer). Why is like that. I personaly feel like i am going to live forever on this world but i know every one dies. Its becouse we are souls and not this body. That is the 1. step of realization.

But then why do we exist. you can not find god around you. but then there are Vedas that explain that God is actually everywhere and that every thing is 1, BUT that is actualy a small portion of God, He in fact is a person and is out creator. He is in every atom of this univers and created all the fizikal laws we see, but at the same time hes separate from the materilistic world, because this isnt our natural state. Our Naturale state is to live with God in hes Kindom. We are
qualitatively same with him but quantitative not. Hes a divine being and can do everything. bit we can not.
Dis world exzist only to serve our selfish desires, but we are eternal souls that are only happy when we serve the Lord...

>>134332451
"In Christianity" implies that this idea is relevant to Christianity though, which I haven't seen an argument for

>>134332267
That's a pessimistic and scary way to look at it, lol. I don't believe in and I live a good life. My morals are fine and I live day to day a very happy man. At the end of the day, just happy to be alive and don't care how I got here.

>>134330376
Differentiation between what is good and what is evil is given by the fruit, no matter how much you repeat "satan satan" they didn't know it was wrong because their minds weren't able to.

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>>134332517

>>134323694

>I'm slowly losing any real reason to believe in God

Then don't, it's your choice.

>>134323973

Faith doesn't work like that, you know that.

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By the way,meet god.

>>134332089
Technically, hell is the eternal lake of fire in the outer darkness referred to as Gehenna, an ever burning trash dump outside of Jerusalem. Hell is empty right now.

The afterlife has compartments. Hades/Sheol has a good side and a bad side. The good side, Paradise aka the Bosom of Abraham was where the righteous went prior to the resurrection of Jesus Christ. When He rose from the dead, He led those captives free.

The other side of Hades/Sheol is Torment, and there people wait for their eternal condemnation following a trial in which they already stand condemned. It is a hot and terrible place, but still better than the lake of fire.

In the end of things, when everyone and everything is judged, death, and Hades itself will be cast into the lake of fire with the devil, his demons, and all human beings who died in the rebellion against God.

So Hell/Lake of Fire is empty;
Paradise is empty;
Heaven has those people who used to be in Paradise, plus those born again believers who died after the Day of Pentecost, 32 AD;
Hades/Sheol Torment side is populated, and is where unbelievers go to await trial and eventual eternal torment in the lake of fire.
There is also a pit in Hades/Sheol where demons and evil spirits are chained.

>>134332163
>have a scientific framework that applies to almpost everthing one thing is unixplaineble lets take ftl travel
*especially condescending sigh*
As I said, they don't work with dogmas in science. If there's a hole in the explanation, they'll just continue to experiment, theorize and discuss until they come up with a better model.

Instead of instantly defaulting to the terribly unimaginative response of "goddidit".

>t. nihelist

Strange, I always thought myself the opposite of a nihilist.

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>>134332267
Atheism doesn't have to lead to consumerism and nihlism. You should read some Sartre, Camus, Russell. There's great power and promise in the enterprise of being human and existing. That in of itself is a pleasure of some sorts

>>134332545

He went insane because he couldn't find anyone who truly understood him.

Many such cases!

>>134332545
Precisely.

I always cringe when i see nu-males with Nietzsche t-shirts. They conveniently forget that, although he declared that God was dead, he also predicted that it would be a cataclysmic disaster for humanity. He wasnt wrong.

So christians, what happens if you're wrong?
So like, God exists, but you're wrong.

>>134332415
You are a perfect example of a dumb piece of shit who probably can't even read anything except for posts on 4chan. You are an insult to the human knowledge. You'd better not open your filthy mouth at all, not to mention talking about philosophical questions.

>>134323694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wWBGo6a2w

Theists and atheists have a lot of learning to do.

>>134332237
But specifically a non-physical something beyond cause and effect, as nothing physical contains within itself the nature of its own creation.

>>134332650
But you're borrowing another set's morals and have no justification for them.

>>134332650
>just happy to be alive and don't care how I got here.
Happiness is good. Ignorance and apathy are not. If you consider yourself a smart person, and I'm sure you are, you should care about your origins and destination. You don't live purely for the moment in life, otherwise you would accomplish little-to-nothing.

>>134331670
Since you seem to be so familiar with the elites, you must know that they believe in something metaphysical. Whether this is just a unifying force, a means for communion, or a Luciferian appeasement you can't deny that the "elite" believe in something on the other side.

Materialism is dead, only living through new athiest wannabees like you.

>>134332860
Then we're wrong and the correct one is right.

>>134332337
Yes, the devil wanted to place his throne above God's throne and be worshiped as God.

His coup lasted one heartbeat.

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>>134332769
>*especially condescending sigh*

get youre head out of youre high horse faggot.

As I said, they don't work with dogmas in science. If there's a hole in the explanation, they'll just continue to experiment, theorize and discuss until they come up with a better model.

if infinite energy exist and time can be manipulated hows that not supernatural?
you would quite litraly be altering reality.

>>134331921
Just because somebody is correct about something doesn't mean they're enlightened.

>>134332988
And how wrong you can be, could you be worshipping the lord of darkness?

>>134332678
The knowledge of good and evil was imparted by the fruit.

Believing God or believing the devil was the choice they were faced with, and they failed.

And you would have failed too. I mean look at you trying to blame God for the failings of men and the devil. You have one rule too: believe Jesus is Who He says He is, and you're failing that miserably.

>>134331853
But that doesn't mean anything to somebody who doesn't believe in God. It sounds ridiculous.

People who don't believe in the easter bunny sure are gonna get fucked in easter bunny hell I'll tell you that much.

>>134332937
>Since you seem to be so familiar with the elites, you must know that they believe in something metaphysical.
Cool story, brainlet.

> Materialism is dead
In your little brain? Bhahahahaha.

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>>134332875
>Hey guys I wrote these papers but I'm going to censor out all information so you can't find them and you can't even tell if I wrote them and if you say it's a shitty arguement I'll call you a retard.

>>134332842
its always sad seeing edhy nihilists without a reason to live nihilism realy does take over and hedonism becomes the new god.

and the try and replace it with something else sprititualism is a part of human nature.

>>134333009

That wasn't even how it went down.

He believed himself to know a better path than God.

The real path of absolution is being able to forgive his transgressions, while God cannot.

>>134332650
I was an atheist all my life and used to think this as well. Only now am i starting to understand how empty i really was.

>>134332781
See "Ride the Tiger", chapter 3: The dead end of existenialism.

>>134333259
If you can't get access to scientific publications in 2017, then you are truly a hopeless retard. Go on living in your little dream world with gods and fairies.

>>134333259
>>134333232

>keep posting brainlet
>doesnt try and argeu.

hes probably giong to post the marine copypasta.

>>134332264
Only if you believe the Bible, especially the modern English translations, is the
definite word of God.

You don't need me to explain to you how preposterous a belief that is, yes?

From all the mistranslations, alternate versions, different interpretations, and even entire other religions based on the same manuscript, or other "holy" texts altogether, here you are, saying that your version of Christianity is the only one which accurately portrays what a mystical sky-man supposedly dictated to his followers over 2000 years ago, and the only correct religion in the whole wide world?

I heard arrogance was a sin.

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>>134333232
Shut up Aelewis

>>134323694
You're approaching the problem backwards.

When you study enough philosophy and history you eventually come full circle. Maybe God doesn't exist - but the idea is so powerful humans will meme it into existence anyway.

>>134332740
Where in the bible did you find all this?

>>134333437
>Go on living in your little dream world with gods and fairies.


but muh MUH big bang created everything out of nothing.

and you call others out for blind faith?

>>134333453
You make a claim, you support it, idiot. But just to demotivate you in advance: the vast majority of scientists do not believe in anything metaphysical. ESPECIALLY biologists

>>134333559
>Where in the bible did you find all this?

book of revelations and the old testament.
has alot of spooky stuf in it its a great read.

>>134332860
Then mankind has no hope.

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>>134333437
I also wrote 14 papers so where is my reward?

>>134333522
> t. i cannot into arguments, only mememememes

>>134333606

My question is: if you do not have faith, why tear down the ones that do?

Hope springs from faith; destroy one and you break down the other. They are mutually inclusive concepts.

>>134333606
>but muh MUH big bang created everything out of nothing
My sides. Better read what lambda CDM model claims in the first place. Joking. You can't even into common core math, not even mentioning differential geometry.

>>134323694
Study physics. The more you learn about how the universe works and the laws that exist, you began to develop a deeper appreciation of the beauty that was created and in turn become closer to God.

>>134332636

So you did not watch the video I posted and told you to watch? It's only 9min.

>>134333693
I just can't remember reading any definite conclusions like that

>>134333318
Stay away from fanfic.

Isaiah 14
“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.

>>134333703
retardation level: immense

>>134332920
I borrowed them from society I was born in, just like everyone else. Just because I don't believe in the bible doesn't mean I don't think it has good morals. Why should I care about my origin? It's so far back that I can't attach any emotions to it. Just seems like a waste of time. For example, I was very young when my grandpa died. I didn't feel sad over it because I never emotionally knew him. Finding out where I came from wouldn't make me any happier since it's so far in the past.

>>134330964
Read Whitehead and get back to me, you pathetic little shit.

>>134333649
>You make a claim, you support it, idiot. But just to demotivate you in advance: the vast majority of scientists do not believe in anything metaphysical. ESPECIALLY biologists


hans wie geht's? Bist du in Ordnung?
deine arse sieht rot.
>>134333924
did you read the book of revelations it has alot of it in it.

>>134333465
"My version" of Christianity is that Jesus is God, died for the sins of the world, and rose from the dead on the third day.

And yes, I will hold that to be true throughout eternity.

While you apparently eagerly wait for science to prove once again that it is wrong, and always has been wrong, and always will be wrong.

>>134333111

Does enlightened double trips mean something?

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>>134333979

>stay away from fanfic.
>says the man quoting doctrine edited by man

>>134334064
I did though. Prove I didn't. I just weote the same as you and censored all the information like you did.

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>>134333385
Only if you'd be willing to read "Existentialism is a Humanism" by Sartre and "A Free Man's Worship" by Russell. Both are short readings.

>>134334169
God's prophets writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God after hearing directly from God are not reliable.....

Maybe heaven isn't for everyone.

>>134334113
Also, gibste Argumente oder was?

>>134334123
>"My version" of Christianity is that Jesus is God, died for the sins of the world, and rose from the dead on the third day.

the brazilian monkey forgets that jesus and moseses andventures actualy did happen.

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>>134334378

>God's prophets writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God after hearing directly from God are not reliable.....

It's not them I have a problem with, it's the men who fought wars to maintain control of dissemination.

If you haven't inferred motive, you haven't been paying attention.

>>134334109
But you have no justification for your morals without it, that's my point.

>>134334109
>Why should I care about my origin?
Don't you want to know who you come from? Or why you are here? Curiosity has allowed our societies to grow.

>>134334440
>jesus and moseses andventures actualy did happen
>proofs needed

>>134333873
Because faith and religion are very fucking different,you know.

>>134334440
His faith is in the wisdom of mankind.

One day he will realize that the wisdom of mankind is foolishness to God.

>>134334204
I offer you 1 chapter and you demand 2 books?

>>134334396
>Also, gibste Argumente oder was?

"tipps hut"

>>134334532
jesus was crucified by the romans moses librated the tribe jews from the egyptians and brought them to the holy land israel.

ofcoarse these story's have a healthy dose of romantisism in them.

>>134333042
>if infinite energy exist and time can be manipulated hows that not supernatural?

You certainly don't know what those things precisely mean, and neither do I. With what authority do you draw conclusions based on hearsay of theories elaborated by people much more schooled than you?

Supernatural means "outside natural". Which is a frankly ridiculous notion since by the very definition of natural, if a supernatural phenomena such as ghosts, spirits, homeopathy or some other quackery were to be proven true, they would be quickly relegated to the realm of strange, but mundane. If a god was proven to exist it wouldn't be considered supernatural anymore, just plain old natural, and even become target of scientific inquiry on its nature.

As I have exhaustively reestated, just because something is not yet known, there's no excuse to declare it beyond understanding.

Infine energy and time dilation may be odd phenomena, but they fall squarely within the predictions of the Standard Model of Physics. There's nothing supernatural about them. While some aspects of the things may have scientists puzzled, nothing indicates that in due time, they will not come to be considered as elementary and matter of fact as the laws of movement and thermodynamics learned at school. Or be better explained in different terms by a new model.

>>134334396

Read 'Mere Christianity', it literally converted me from full on Dawkins quoting fedora to Christian.

>>134333222

I know. And people who don't believe are doomed. It's sad but it is.

I am not saying some guy without any context is doomed for no reason, buy you don't even see what satan does to your Nation when it loses faith, if you don't have faith. You will never see what is missing if you didn't have it in the first place yes. But can you honestly say god hasn't pleaded some kind of case for you specificly with this thread? No? Ok then don't even try faith. Stay on your path if you think it's the right one. In the end we will know. No one has ever lost anything by having faith there is nothing to fear. And I'm done rambling thanks for reading.

>>134334109

>morality without God

No. One of the problems atheists have is the unbelievers' assertion that it is possible to determine what is right and what is wrong without God. They have a fundamental inability to concede that to be effectively absolute a moral code needs to be beyond human power to alter.

On this misunderstanding is a supposed conundrum about whether there is any good deed that could be done only by a religious person, and not done by a Godless one. Like all such questions, this contains another question: what is good, and who is to decide what is good?

Left to himself, Man can in a matter of minutes justify the incineration of populated cities; the deportation, slaughter, disease and starvation of inconvenient people and the mass murder of the unborn.

I have heard people who believe themselves to be good, defend all these things, and convince themselves as well as others. Quite often the same people will condemn similar actions by different countries, often with great vigour.

For a moral code to be effective, it must be attributed to, and vested in, a non-human source. It must be beyond the power of humanity to change it to suit itself.

Its most powerful expression is summed up in the words 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends'.

The huge differences which can be observed between Christian societies and all others, even in the twilit afterglow of Christianity, originate in this specific injunction.

>>134334758
I always have to laugh at holy land israel.Sorry as moses wandered around in the desert for 40 years only to settle down on the one place without oil.

>>134334453
And by not knowing that there exist early church writings and tens of thousands of manuscripts from dozens of countries that all say the exact same thing, you reduce the inspired Word of God to, well, a game of telephone.

A scroll of Isaiah was found in Qumran; it was at least 2000 years old. It was 99.8% identical to what we have today in our bibles, and the differences were spelling variants and idioms.

99.8% intact over thousands of years.

Now, should you go reading some cult's bible, or the catholic bible, or the orthodox bible, or some gnostic bible? Absolutely not.

But to stay away from the ESB or the KJV or the NKJV because you believe they have been tampered with is paranoia that is not merited.

>>134334794
>people much more schooled than you

argument from authority its not fucking rocket science to know what infinite energy is mate nor is the theory of time dilation.

also im talking about the creation of the universe faggot something thats quite litraly beyond explination.

>>134335000

>And by not knowing that there exist early church writings and tens of thousands of manuscripts from dozens of countries that all say the exact same thing

You really aren't aware of the depth of the deception, are you?

>>134334113

I've read revelations yes.

>>134327800
You take a leap of faith and then you are rewarded with communication from god in some form

>>134334915
They were told it was the land of milk and honey, not the land of decaying corpses.

>>134323971
I was at that time living like many atheists; in a whirl of contradictions. I maintained that God did not exist. I was also very angry with God for not existing. I was equally angry with him for creating a world. Why should creatures have the burden of existence forced on them without their consent?

>>134335095
More like you are not aware of the depth of your paranoia.

>>134334915
>I always have to laugh at holy land israel.Sorry as moses wandered around in the desert for 40 years only to settle down on the one place without oil.

the kikes did make it quite nice if been to tel aviv before.

still 40 years to reach israel?

>I've read revelations yes.

you never read about the whore of babylon and the rapture that would happen in the end times the beast?

>>134334123
Is it faith again? Give me a break. How can you put so much stock in something which is explicitly defined as "believing in something without having a good reason to believe in it"?

Just let go already, you'll feel a lot better.

>>134334758
> Furzen in die Luft. Alles was ich kann

> jesus was crucified by the romans moses librated the tribe jews from the egyptians and brought them to the holy land israel.
Cool story, brainlet

>>134327011
Moar?

>>134335170
How did you (if you did) reconcile your belief that there was no God with your hatred towards God?

>>134335246

Guess i'm reading it again tonight, if you tell me what relevance it has to my argument of what is and what isn't god?

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>>134334816
Read pic related. It will help ease your retardation

>>134327800
You cannot observe the divine with your intellect. Its a completely inadequate tool for the task.

When i was an atheist i fell into this trap all the time.

>But i dont believe in God, so why go to church

But its the other way around. You go to church and then you start to believe. The rituals have purpose. They guide your mind towards the divine.