Having a discussion with my programmer friend, need your input:

>>134270298
I definitely think they're being accustomed to losing their privacy. But I don't think they're losing it in their minds; I think culture is just shifting in a direction where people don't want privacy. Look at twitter; someone takes a shit in a Taco Bell and they tweet it out to 100k followers with the exact GPS coordinates as well as tagging everybody in a 5 mile radius. Younger generations will undoubtedly follow this trend because it's happening already.
As far as being spied on, related to point above the average person doesn't even need to be spied on because they willingly give out their information.

>>134270298
>What percent of the population do you think values anonymity on the web?
Low.

Whether it's good speech or bad speech collectivist normies want to know who's behind it. They want to treat the anonymous good posters like something special and they want to name and shame the anonymous bad posters.

Free speech is like any other right, you want it for yourself and no one else.

>Are our posts on 4chan even private? Are the NSA/FBI/CIA spying on us?
Not from LEA, but they only have IPs to posts and only because of Google captchas. To get a name from those IPs they have to get a warrant and talk to your ISP.

Private organisations have no idea, they just create similarity indexes between posts here and posts made not anonymously. Dumb cunts identified me because I'm literally the only libertarian questioning Jordan Peterson's veracity and I seem to have become a relatively famous (in some circles) YouTube commentor.

I give no fucks, my HR has already implied so long as I don't go 1488 publicly or don't go full Marxist I can keep my job. I'm still not happy my privacy was invaded.

>>134270298

>My friend thinks the public is getting accustomed to losing their privacy. I dont agree.

You're right.

But the public at large is getting used to it. Offering yourself publicly has become rather normalized.

>>134270981

>To get a name from those IPs they have to get a warrant and talk to your ISP.

There's lots of ways to do it. Depending how much you post (how much you switch up your linguistics), it's not hard to find a unique pattern of identifiers for most people. From there it's just tracking instances of that specific language.

>>134270298
As a programmer, security engineer, privacy advocate, and hacker, I say that people are getting used to a lack of anonymity. I see it everywhere. It's horrifying.

Posting anywhere on the Internet is not private no matter what. Not even 4chinz.

We use google captchas for fucks sake. You think google isn't getting data on how many times you fucked up that captcha? You better believe that shit is associated with and ID based on your IP range and logged.

>>134271301
Being identified as the Australian libertarian on /pol/ is flattering, being told I'm plagiarizing my own YouTube comments creeps me out. I don't mind if you recognise my style, I do mind if you're remembering my real name.

It's not a good idea you know it's me, you'll fuck things up for me.

>>134272016
Still, only LEA and the reptilians can place names to posts, everyone else would be lucky with IPs.

It's when my chan activity attracts attention in real life that I know it was one of you who just assumed it was me because the grammar is similar to my YouTube comments.

>>134271301
There was a deep learning project on github that was so good at identifying people by style that the author had a crisis of conscience and pulled it.

Not a rumor, I have the link to the empty github on another computer.

>>134272482

>It's not a good idea you know it's me, you'll fuck things up for me.

Oh it's less fun for me to find the patterns, I try to treat every thread like a unique situation. Just saying, there's other ways of finding identity than going through the chain.

>>134270298
If you want privacy, you must be intelligent about it. Privacy belongs to only those who know its reaches. But no i dont think unwarranted spying from the government shoul be allowed.

privacy is something most people don't even consider and if you disagree you must not know what facebook and google are

>>134272482
Don't be so sure of yourself. MITM attacks, DHCP spoofing, DNS poisoning, and more will put yous name with your posts. Highly unlikely some random dude on the net would be targeted, but still. There are more ways than asking some organization for a name.

I think people are getting accustomed to it, but that doesn't mean they'd agree with losing it entirely.

Small step here, small step there, suddenly you're no longer anonymous -- that's how it works.

>>134272906
So they can see HTTPS packets? So what? They then need to time it and my identity isn't even in those packets encrypted.

The average normie is "lol i don't care I have nothing to hide exdee :DDD". The best way to stop that is to ask them the last porn site they visited.
Seriously most people are fucking retarded when it comes to net security. They'll give out important personal information just for the asking, you don't even need a scam.

>>134273173
You really don't know how this shit works, do you? Do you know how IP ranges work? It's not hard to cross-reference data.

I said it before. If someone wants your identity, they will get it. It takes time, planning, and much cunning, but it can be done.

>>134270953
Basically This. Granted, yes we are being spied on, everything we do is data mined or collected in some way or form.

>>134274173
And is wrong half the time..

My issue is I'm influential so people copy my style, as is acceptable, but then some other Australian comes on goes "full 1488" in my style and then I have literal antifa following me to work. Thanks guys.

>IP ranges
Cool, you know the suburb I'm in.

>>134274572
>Implying one would use only your IP range to trace you.

I-D-I-O-T.

>>134274719
Worse, they're using the "this post is kind of similar to this post" method which means I have a bunch of well typed racist shit stapled onto my name which the local antifa are collecting as evidence.

You think they'll just believe me that I didn't post it? You think they'll just admit they're wrong? They never do, they can't even admit they're being childish when they kick me on public transport and quickly run out the door.