a star trek style society is humanity's only salvation

>>134247458
>ideology works perfectly and creates utopia in a tv show therefore it'll work just as well in real life
wew lad.

>>134247646
star trek is far from a utopia but it is light years ahead of what we have. the closest thing i've seen to a society trying to achieve this is your grand capital city.

Reminder that Vulcans are literally westerners who reject post modernism and make meditation part of their culture.Everything is happening as predicted, but Khan Noonien Singh's father knows who he is and knows who not to pursue, so no eugenics war.

>and no, we don't need ww3 to kick start it
i don't know about you but a war economy sounds fucking great to me. let's metal gear solid the shit out of this.

>>134247458
But first we need to unite the world under one (((world government))).

>>134248330
You're wrong. Vulcans are autists + eugenics.

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>>134248861
why not? is nation state tribalism really doing us any good? i'm an advocate of a united earth. i think justin trudeau would be the right person to lead us to the stars

>>134247458
>perpetual energy and machines that materialize all of our needs

How do you treat people, in this society, who don't want this society? Are you just assuming that everyone wants to live this way? Shame on you. That's awfully islamaphobic

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>>134249197
replicators are not perpetual. we will have them soon as they are essentially 3d printers

>>134249195
someone should shoot him into space alright

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>>134249305
the muslims will come around soon enough and shed the burden of religion when the magnitude of creation becomes more apparent.

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>>134249564
I kekd, thanks anon.

>>134249420
>they are essentially 3d printers
wut

Daily reminder that only TOS and DS9 are patrician

>>134247646
Does Star Trek actually present future human society as an implementation of a coherent ideology? I seem to remember it being more like a random collection of often vague thematic elements that changed from time to time, one of which happened to be "they don't use money anymore" at some points (much of TNG, I guess, but I don't recall the subject coming up all that often).

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>>134250109
there was some inconsistencies in it's messaging but the sentiment is clear and solid. without money, countless problems caused by it will disappear. money is the root of all evil

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>>134247458
Wrong
The Federation is xenophilic
All Xenos must be exterminated so that we might secure the existence and survival of the human species.

>>134247458
>further proof leftist are mentally ill
>think old reruns of spaceships and a universe of aliens that all speak english is obtainable
wew.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Michel

The reason so much of sci-fi is utopian multicultural insanity. Evident in plenty of major series from books to movies. Pure Jewish communist propaganda.

>>134249056
This. Vulcans are a species who deliberately selected their mates for autism and I.Q. I wonder what proportion of Vulcans are on the extreme end of the autism spectrum and bang their heads into walls and throw temper tantrums. They probably euthanize those people.

>>134250465
>countless problems caused by it will disappear
Endless energy and free shit
But there will never be that magical fantasy land

>>134250109
Its pretty much a post scarcity socialist society

>>134247458
The federations was only possible because they wiped out the Eugenicists in the Eugenics war and they discovered the replicator technology which was given to them by an alien species.

>>134250888
>They probably euthanize those people
hahahhahahahahahahhahaa

>>134250465
I thought they described it more as case of money (and perhaps private property in general) having fallen out of use at some point as a side effect of other societal changes. I only remeber it coming up during the TNG episode where they thawed out some twenty or twenty-first century cryostasis patients and had to explain things. Their explanation was vague, but reminded me a lot of Bellamy's ideas in Looking Backward. I also seem to recall that episode introducing some uncertainty about whether or not that change was really positive.

>>134247646
We just need a replicator brah, then no one would be poor and our magic leftist utopia would finally work

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>>134250820
how far off until all these smart phones can translate every language in real time?

As long as there are races that have most of their people wanting to rob/kill/leech other more prosperous races (because they cant compete economically due to low iq and uncontrolled impulses), there will be racism and lies and accusations and war based on lies. The only way to eliminate all those problems is by isolating off non-European descendant people into their third world countries, so white people in Europe and NA can live in peace among themselves. The racist blacks want to rob whites, so accuse them of being racist oppressors, to scam their money out of them.

>>134247458
> we will for sure encounter countless alien cultures
See that's where you're wrong.

You will literally never get rid of religion.

As long as people are tribal and base themselves around a leader of some sort, there will be either humans who claim to be gods or gods designed after humans who reflect ideal traits.

In fact, in an absence of organized religion, people just worship Bill Nye or celebrities who fill the same need.

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>>134251392
again, this is a direct result of money. remove it and those problems would not exist

>>134251553
Watch Ozzyman's review of Vidcon

>>134251553
...or they just lay down to die. (without religion)

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>>134249564
>>134249195

Trudeau is just a puppet, he's supposed to make you feel good

>you can't get cancer when you already have it

>>134251343
that's actually probably not too far off. Google translate can already do an impressive amount.

Federation is close to communism.

>>134251157
I've heard people describe it that way. I'm just not convinced the writer who came up with the "no money" thing had a clear rationale for how that situation came about or how it functioned. It looks more like an arbitrary choice to make the futuristic setting look different from the present (or possibly a simplification to avoid dealing with economics-related background material in a show that focuses on members of a quasi-military organization anyway).

>>134247458
Are we so close to warp?
Is this based on something cientific anon?
I would like this to be true, i just want to explore the unknown

>>134251678
It's not possible for this to happen anymore. Even if 100% of all governments agree to abolish all money people would still have gold and bitcoin. If you own a computer you can own bitcoin.

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>>134251322
i don't believe they ever elaborated in detail about it but it's clear that a meritocracy took hold as basic needs were easily met. i suppose one could stay at home all day and play video games or they could become star ship captains

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>>134247458
let me guess your suggestion is socialism or communism to build that utopia?
cuz it'll work this time right?!
fucking kys you retarded faggot marxist

>>134247458
Because we have made soo many scientific discoveries without the catalyst of conflict.

>>134247458
no racism in star trek?

ferengi are all greedy jews
cardassians are basically nazis
klingons are brute savages
romulans are sneaky backstabbers

star trek full of homosuperority

>>134247458
Like it or not it's not going to happen anytime soon
Spending too much time indulging in fantasies and escapism isn't healthy for you

>>134247458

Such BS

Humanity is all perfect, yet the rest of the universe isn't
So racism just exists between species. Currencies exist between different species and trade unions
different species have different religions
only that shit is free on earth, while they travel out into the unknown exploiting weaker alien races.

They can also form matter out of nothing, which kinda drops the costs of a lot of things.

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>>134252425
that's xenophobia in the truest sense. i mean amongst humans

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>>134250693
>not going full synth

>>134250465
>money is the root of all evil

Human beings create their own evil. Money enables human beings to coordinate together. Money enables human beings to metamorph from dark lows to bright highs and vice versa.

Without money, you have human pride. Unchecked and untested. Think back to your upbringing in school. Do you want those administrators and those office lackeys trying to imagine what you deserve? What you actually need?

okay if aliens were realistically violent or hostile humanity would not want to do that

>>134250888
Or if you have ever met any of those people, you would know that they're incapable of mating.

Life doesn't find a way like Jurassic Park

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>no fiat currency

10 bars of gold pressed latinum says that OP is a fag and doesn't know the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.

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>>134252962
other civilizations will probably still have money. we can still trade with them though. they will no doubt be interested in things like bologna and helicopters

>>134252283
That's consistent with what people claim when they talk about "post scarcity". It just seems more like a fuzzy part of the background material that fans (or people pushing an idea) filled in for themselves than something the show promoted.

>or they could become star ship captains

Some things people want obviously remain scarce. That, combined with the fact that we've basically already reached "post scarcity" where the most basic needs are concerned with triggering such changes makes me think it's a silly concept.

>>134247458
Anon, a world government will never be accepted by humanity; if we come across another sentient race, one nation will be represented at a time, starting with the nation that initiated the first contact, not the whole planet at once.

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>>134247646
Star Trek is the logical conclusion of modern society. The question is whether we can survive long enough to reach it.

>industry evolves to the point that most labor and retail is automated and requires minimal working staff, putting billions out of work and creating a demand for universal income to keep the economy healthy
>3d printer technology will continue to advance, making most good cost only the basic materials and cultured meat will bottom out meat prices
>perfecting fusion energy production and desalination techniques will drastically raise the living standard of the entire world
>multi-country unions similar to the EU will grow more common as many countries reach first world living standards, creating a global government granting global basic rights and privileges while also putting an end to most warfare
>these technologies will also facilitate the creation of exo-colonies as humanity pushes into space in order to secure raw materials and avoid extinction scenarios

We won't see it in our lifetime, but humanity absolutely must become Star Trek if we are to survive as a species for any significant amount of time.

>>134252962
>Exchanging bulky precious substances
>Fiat currency

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>>134247458
>yfw star trek society is only possible after bioengineered humans and eugenics war

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>>134253931
i completely agree, i'm just more optimistic when it comes to the time frame

>>134251343
In a star trek sense, far off. Dragon has real time translators but they're built off a predetermined set of languages.
Star trek translators literally determine unknown word translations on the fly.

>>134248290
kek

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Fuck off with your xenos loving space communist shit!

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>>134247458
If only there were some uniting force between the earth governments. Somebody needs to make that happen.

>>134247458
>a warp capable society
So sad it is that the laws of physics that would otherwise fill our skies with alien spaceships instead leaves us effectively utterly alone in the universe.

There's no doubt that intelligent life should exist in vast numbers, it's just a goddamn shame that we can't reach each other.

>>134253931
>putting billions out of work
The number of potential jobs in an economy is not fixed. People always want things they don't have yet. Automation removes opportunities in old nuches and while making new ones more viable. Luddism was always fundamentally wrong-headed.

>creating a demand for universal income to keep the economy healthy
Paying people to not work is not actually good for the economy. Claiming transfer payments help the people taxed to fund them makes as much sense as claiming robbery of a store improves the owner's business ("now the robber will have more money to spend at your store!").

>>134247458
>no racism
i dont know about that. seems like no matter what some one has a problem with the borg or romulans. like every 3 episodes or so regardless of which star trek series some one has to throw their 2 cents in about how (insert name of species) is pretty shady

and the end of the argument tends to be something to the effect of shut the fuck up you got a fucked up forehead or pointy ears im the human i call the shots nigger

>>134252124
Everyone activates communist sensors on this subject but i agree with you that it's pretty vuage. They never really go into much detail of life/politics/ economics outside of starfleet. I think it's more of a top-down utopia. People and society are so advanced that our previous structures have fallen away. They never get into the economics of it all.

Both socialists and commie haters like myself seize on the socialist elements displayed, but big fucking deal I say. The whole point of killing every commie is that communism will never work unless we can magically provide every person with everything they need and pretty much want without having to maintain the material or human resources to obtain those goods and services.

I will gladly sign up for communism when it doesn't mean stealing from other people (or more to the point, other people stealing from me).

>>134252941
Maybe they can't mate. But two high functioning autists can have a child who has the more extreme and debilitating form of autism.

>>134251553
Not only that, even if you don't call it religion, people are going to have shit that they're willing to die for. Attempting to systematically remove all meaning to life separate from the state/federation/whatever is the surest way to create an oppressive society where wrongthink is grounds for punishment.

>>134247458
Zephrane Cochrane didn't develop warp drive until the 2060s. Also, in Star Trek there is a huge eugenics war on Earth before the Trek age.

OP is just another reddit/Facebook fag who doesn't actually like scifi unless it justifies communism.

K Y S

>>134256680
See multiculturalism and other left wing ideologies. They just replaced Jesus, Satan, and Original Sin with people of color, white devils, and "white privilege."

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>>134256680
>Catalog
exploration of space would fill that void. that's what all those star ships were doing. searching the galaxy for meaning. they knew their ancient desert religions were trivial and pointless, so they sought a greater understanding of existence through observing the galaxy

>>134247458
There is no racism because garbage cultures have been eradicated.

>>134247458
>we are 10-15 years from being a warp capable society

You have no idea how physics works do you?

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Vulcan

>>134257209
Not everyone gets to be on a starship, and those who don't still have goals and desires that they want enacted on the home-front. Internal conflict will always arise, and there's no single way out of it. You either have to actively stymie it or have a society that is willing to accept planets that have fundamental moral disagreements with everyone else.

>>134257694
He's referencing the Star Trek timeline.

>>134258129
2067

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>>134257979
no doubt. humanity will never be perfect or free from strife. i'm only advocating a better course

>>134247458
Smart people have known this for centuries.

Humans just aren't ready*

>*dark-skinned humans

>>134247458
>No religion
Did you even watch Star trek?

>>134258509
i have indeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTaj4nNH5ko

>>134256582
>I will gladly sign up for communism when it doesn't mean stealing from other people (or more to the point, other people stealing from me).

Communism (and really all socialism) is fundamentally a denial of property rights snd individual agency over a certain arbitray threshold. The issue isn't just one of scarcity of energy or material commodities. It posits that certain kinds of things ("means of production" - things used to produce other things) should only be controlled by a collective - institutions, or ad-hoc mobs of ideologues, depending on the version. Acquire such property, even by building it yourself, and you've crossed the line. The fact that it covers means of making things beyond your own body has serious implications. You'll always be stuck with what others (bureaucrats or the mob) decide you should be allowed to have and do. This doesn't change with lessening scarcity of anything.

Communism may nominally stop stealing property after it has stolen all the means of production (assuming no one finds or makes more - unlikely). It may even allow ownership, in some petty sense, of consumer goods. It keeps stealing opportunities and agency from those under it forever.

>>134247458
>no war on earth
No war if everyone follows the same ideology - national socialism
>No fiat currency system
The state gives you everything you need for free, a currency system is still present for anything you might want to buy in addition
>no poverty
All aryans get gibs from the state, everyone else is gassed
>no racism
Everyone is the same race - aryan. Everyone else was gassed
>free education
Without niggers there's now billions upon billions of $ of gibs
>free healthcare
Without niggers there's now billions upon billions of $ of gibs
>no religion
Atheism doesn't make sense. Every culture has a religion. Everyone's nordic pagan.

There. We could've had a perfect society 70 years ago. Btw society will never be free from suffering as long as there are jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax_u-WrP2Gg

>>134247458
The Star Trek utopian society was only possible because Khan annihilated something like half the human population in the Eugenics Wars of the 1990s, producing a superior species.

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>>134247458
>no religion
So you'd damn everybody to hell to have a temporary paradise on Earth?

>>134247458
I mean, I'm all for railing Vulcan qts, but as long as nigger culture, white trash culture, Islam, and the mainland Chinese exist, we won't be doing much beyond our solar system. It would take too much to send people past the kuiper belt.

>>134259064
Very well put. "Communism" might work if we can develop Replicators like in Star Trek so everybody can have whatever they want though.

>>134259064
Someone on /pol/ who has actually read and reasoned. Please don't let the shitposters and paid shills scare you away.

>>134247458

You've never watched Star Trek if you think any of that is the case.

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>>134247458

daily reminder star trek utopia would have never been possible without this man wiping out the muslims first

>>134259689
The problem comes when I want my own replicator (and whatever they use for fuel or input mass) to use as I see fit, without restrictions on what I can make and without getting any authority's permission. If replicators were really all-purpose construction and fabrication equipment (I think TNG replicators were more limited), I could pretty much ignore the rest of human society and do what I want at that point. A communist society can't allow this - people might stop being communist and develop social stratification again.

Similar reasoning would likely apply to things like starships, which apparently do remain scarce. You can't have one without climbing the Federation's hierarchy, and even then you have to use it as you are ordered.

>>134259399
TOS is full of subtle Christian symbolism, the people who make these threads have never even seen the series outside of TNG.

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>>134260727

they also forget about this

>>134247458
>no war on earth
only achieved after global total war, violence, and poverty like never before
>no fiat currency system
There is money, they are seen spending it repeatedly in all shows
>no poverty
you can't be serious. Every single star trek show deals with poverty. The poor still eat, and they still have places to live, and they still get medical care. That's what we have today in the US.
>no racism
Of course not, it's not like those fuckin spoonhead cardies are even sentient, am I right?
>free education
education is completely voluntary. They repeatedly show that even low level schooling, grade school, etc is completely optional. Because everyone can learn stuff via the internet (I mean, computer)
>free healthcare
only within the federation, and even then they decide what health care you do, and do not get. There was a huge issue in TNG about this, as a woman wanted to offer an experimental surgery to worf, and Crusher was vetoing it. It may not cost anything, but you are definitely not in charge of your own healthcare.
>no religion
They clearly meant no doctrinal societies, as nearly all star trek characters believe in something beyond the mortal realm

>10-15 years from being warp capable
Try 35-50
>for sure encounter countless alien cultures
Or we won't encounter any. You make a lot of assumptions
A) you're assuming we are not the first to advance this far. As far as we know, other species may not have any sort of drive for exploration. Other species may not even have societies as we define it. Dolphins, chimps, and pigs are pretty smart. Considering only 0.0001% of life on earth approaches even that level of intellect, why are you assuming there will be multiple human level intellects out there?
B) You're assuming aliens exist at all. While probable, it's still an assumption
C)You're assuming those civilizations are anywhere near close enough for us to interact with, even at warp (all signs point to no)

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>>134247458
>we are 10-15 years from being a warp capable society

>>134260645
Damn, you're right.

What about Holodecks or other full dive VR similar to Ready Player One (in b4 Reddit)? Like, could people be satisfied living in much smaller houses or commie blocks if the government provided for access to a simulation where you could have anything you wanted, including a bigger house? I know it sounds ridiculous, but I feel like I could get down with it if it worked the right way.

>>134247458
(((Gen of the red bary)))

>>134247458
The only reason Star Trek works is because Kahn Noonien Singh holocausted most of earth's population during the eugenics war.

>>134260645
>>134261665
>According to an academic thesis: "The so-called 'replicators' can reconstitute matter and produce everything that is needed out of pure energy, no matter whether food, medicaments, or spare parts are required." A replicator can create any inanimate matter, as long as the desired molecular structure is on file, but it cannot create antimatter, dilithium, latinum, or a living organism of any kind; in the case of living organisms, non-canon works such as the Star Trek: the Next Generation Technical Manual state that, though the replicators use a form of transporter technology, it's at such a low resolution that creating living tissue is a physical impossibility.

>>134247458
I'd live long and prosper long time dat ass

>>134252124
star trek still has a currency or more like a credit system. that means a fixed currency and no more fiat. The govt could (((print))) more credits along the axis of production. It seems in the star trek universe it took the creation of money(credits) out of the hands of the speculators and into the hands of the productive. If all the sudden a society enters a non-scarcity production line it would make the most sense that currency would be based off of the production capability. With high levels of automation a basic income would not only be possible but manditory and those that chose to work and innovate would reap some sort of reward in comparison to their productive capabilities. You could still have wealth class and nobility without the (((nepotism))) we see today. just a scifi analysis nothing to take for real so don't ass blast me you fucking savages

>>134262481
Replicator don't make things out of pure energy
they use teleporter technology to separate the various molocules of items, store them in giant vats, then recombine them according to the teleporting data.
Which is why you can run out of food even with a replicator. The idea is that it takes awhile because anything you load INTO the replicator, it can disassemble.
Including waste.

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>>134247458
>a star trek style society is humanity's only salvation
Wrong, as that would be pic/link related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hLXOVCZr-8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THX_1138

>In the 25th century, sexual intercourse and reproduction are prohibited, whereas use of mind-altering drugs is mandatory to enforce compliance among the citizens and to ensure their ability to conduct dangerous and demanding tasks. Emotions, coitus, and the concept of family are a taboo. Everyone is clad in identical uniforms and has shaven heads to emphasize equality, except the police androids (who wear black) and robed monks. Instead of names, people have designations – reminiscent of licence plates – with three arbitrary letters (referred to as the "prefix") and four digits; shown on an identity badge worn at all times.

>>134250862
>The reason so much of sci-fi is utopian multicultural insanity.
Hmm, just like the nu-males who watched it religiously.

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>>134261246
again, my points are confined just to humans and their well being. also "poor" is subjective because it's measured against an arbitrarily decided number based off of currency. as far healthcare goes, there are many procedures and medicines that get suppressed because they are simply too dangerous. this is true now and well into the future i'm sure. for religion, sure, people will always believe in something but wouldn't it be nice if it had no major role in anything whatsoever?

at the current rate we are discovering planets around stars, it's looking like there may be as many as a trillion planets in our galaxy. i would bet my life that the galaxy is teaming with intelligent life

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>>134247458
Too bad the majority of the left want open borders, which will lead to everything becoming Detroit. (think: that movie Elysium).

If we truly want to reach Star Trek-tier technology, we'll have to wall-off the West, Japan, and maybe South Korea, and focus on eugenics programs and right-leaning technocracy. Leftists are too egalitarian, and there are many leftists today who think NASA is a "waste" and "white privilige", and would rather spend the money giving more gibs to Numbungo and his 14 kids in Kenya.

>>134253931
>industry evolves to the point that most labor and retail is automated and requires minimal working staff, putting billions out of work and creating a demand for universal income to keep the economy healthy
This sentence makes no sense
if most labor and retail have become automated and require minimal staff, then those various services become much, much cheaper, meaning we have to work less to afford the same things.
You go on to bring up those points.

You're saying "we'll need basic income because living will be so cheap no one will have a job"
The truth is, living will become so cheap, everyone will have part time jobs, and those jobs will be creative or intellectual based.

I'd love to say we'll advance to a society of cultured artists and scientists, but no, we'll become a society of youtubers and patreons.

This is your brain on leftism.

>if only someone else did everything, everything would be done
>if only someone else made time travel, we'd have time travel
>if only someone else gave everyone money, everyone would have money
>if only someone else gave free shit, we'd have free shit

A leftist never started a farm, or a hospital. If a leftist ever started a business, even a business of helping other people directly like farm or hospital, he would quickly realize that he needs responsible spending, racism, wars, and everything else he doesnt like.

This is why there are no 30 year old leftists. Gotta pay taxes and support a family. Cant do that with leftist "free shit!!" thinking.

>>134261665
Again, the issue is one of agency - of power and control. The agency of the individual is severely limited and thwarted. In the simulation scenario, you are being given a limited illusion of great power and agency so long it remains an illusion and your actions have no real effect on the wider world beyond what is permitted. Your simulation has all the normal VR escapism problems - you cease being able to affect the outside world, but the outside world can still affect you and your simulation. You can't do anything about it (or possibly even know) if your virtual life is theatened by outside forces - perhaps the authorities who maintain it for you, or perhaps something beyond their control (say, a Borg invasion). You probably can't even choose to put your holosuite on a remote world to avoid notice. After all, it isn't really yours.

The whole point of the arangement is to render you predictable and controllable, to take away any and all significant power individuals have over their own fates or the fates of others. Such a life is not merely morally empty, but continually at risk. You must at least appease those who provide it. The authorities who gave it to you can, at any time, take away any part of it ("you can't simulate that, it's bad!"), or demand anything from you as a condition of continuing to provide for you, or simply dispose of you. Your existence, even if cheap to sustain, has no clear value to those with power over you unless you're occasionally doing something like voting. If you are, then they will be making demands of you, holding your escapist realm hostage on condition of compliance. This sort of thing will necessarily break the illusion of power you get from your escapism.

>>134247458

It's all a lie.

Gene was a commie horndog, and even hated ST: TnG, arguably the best one, because it didn't have enough sex colonies for his old man lust. The whole show is based off commie ideologies influenced both by Jewish money and occult possessions they had in the 60's with some sort of entity they professed to talk with.

I admit I'd love for it to work, but it won't. Mankind is too arrogant and greedy to work together beyond short term goals, and the whole show was literally based upon one man's insatiable lust and international financed subversion mixed with the occult under belly.

That being said, it turned into a great legacy of a show by and large. It's just a show, though...

>>134247458
>we are 10-15 years from being a warp capable society
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P40_kd-mS8

>>134263022
>again, my points are confined just to humans and their well being
the only issue I brought up that could not be confined to that is racism.
But considering earth has plenty of aliens living on it, human life still deals with the ramifications of racism.
As for your "poor" statement, how is that a counter argument? If you use that point, why even bring it up?
The issue with healthcare is an issue now particularly because of socialized healthcare. It's the biggest problem with it, and the reason it's unethical.
>wouldn't it be nice if it had no major role in anything whatsoever?
No. All signs point to religion as being a major factor in human development, and lasting peace among peoples. The big bang theory? Religion. The renaissance? Religion. Opposing despotic regimes like nazi germany or stalin's russia? Religion.

Statistically speaking, we have very little reason to believe nearby planets have technologically advanced life. Possibly cave man level, or even iron age, but extremely unlikely to be industrial revolution level.

>>134264210
Oh man, I watched that documentary about the chaos during TNG production.
The writers were very concerned when they introduced Risa, the pleasure planet, because they didn't think the idea of such a hedonistic society fit in with Gene's vision
Gene fucking loved it
If I recall, he wanted the women making out with each other in the background.

>>134264560

They practically had to kick him off the set.

>MOAR nude womenz

lol

Hell, the Borg came from a writer's strike.

>>134264770
>Hell, the Borg came from a writer's strike.
Not exactly
If you remember, they had this really weird plotline where aliens had taken over the federation.
Originally it was just going to be insurgents, with no aliens
Then gene vetoed it, and made it aliens.
The next idea was that the aliens would eventually get to picard, but they ended up giving much of that story to the borg.
So while the borg as a concept may have been a product, a lot of the story points were old.
Also, Stewart wasn't sure the show was gonna take off, and was slated to die. Riker was actually going to kill him, which is why they had Riker grow a beard that season, so make him look more like a captain.
But season 2 really took off, and stewart really liked what they were doing with the characters, so they decided the could keep him as captain.

Which is why all that season 1 and 2 stuff about Riker being offered captain positions ended up not having any real pay off, and then later seasons addressing it as a sort of "He's changed" issue.

>>134249420
if you think our processed foods today are bad imagine printed fucking goy food given to us by the overlords?

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>>134247458
>Muh Star Trek
Start Trek, aside from not being real, bases it's utopia on a post scarcity society. However even in the show there are resources that are scarce. Currency still exists. War still exists. Poverty still exists. No amount of globalist idealistic faggotry will change that.

Stop wasting your time on ideal solutions and look for more practical ones.

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>>134252425

It's because its from the human perspective. The Vulcans, Klingons and romulans all regard humanity as inferior to themselves in one way or another, but the humans have the opposite perspective.

Even the Ferengi have their own outside perspective on humans that is poignant and well informed:
https://youtu.be/-D2SHNqkjbY
https://youtu.be/W5J_qn93Nkc

The thing that throws all the other races off about humans is their unpredictability. You can always count on a Ferengi to chase profit, a cardassian to love authority and hate nonconformity, a klingon to lust for battle, a romulan to scheme and spy.

While you might expect the opposite, when the situation calls for it Humans can be as ruthless as any ferengi, as deceitful as any romulan, as bloodthirsty as any Klingon and as efficient as the Borg; but their flexibility makes them more unpredictable than any - and thus perhaps more dangerous.

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>>134265851
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QexUDaMLPbo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8MeAN_0Iow

>>134247458
playing stellaris has made me realise that star federations are absolute trash, especially since the star trek society is a hellish military socialist state

>>134252962

Except the ferengi are too smart to be jew'd like that. The gold-pressed latnum is the exact opposite of a fiat currency: They use latnum as currency *specifically* because it CANNOT be replicated. Latnum has intrinsic value and cannot be replaced or counterfeited.

>>134258730

Yeah well we knew that star trek are materialist commies with no respect for tradition or heritage.
They meddle and interfere with foreign cultures whenever they feel they clash with their 'evolved' values.

>>134247458

Section 31 renders that a moot. Everything seems fine until you realize that it can only work where there's a secret "society" that stops it all from going to shit.

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>>134250056

>TNG not patrician

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>>134247458
The answer to 2161 is the Terran Empire. A world of 200+ IQ superhumans are assuming direct control over the galaxy. Even niggers can be fixed with genetic engineering.