What should I, a 21 year-old male living in the United States,

>>134233538
Trades. Or come to Alberta and come work on the rigs.

CNC machinists, electricians, plumbers are all noteworthy trades that aren't going anywhere.

t. Engineering student that worships his CNC guy

>>134233538
If you have a specific topic to study and get out, an associates is a pretty great way to "stay in school" for a bit and have something that will get you in the door for a lot of jobs.

Otherwise, there are plenty of technical programs, as well as places that will hire you as is. It all depends on what you're willing to do, and how much you want to make.

Trade school is a pretty great option, at least in the US, since you can get an apprenticeship and get paid while you study. Plus, you get immediate training on the job so you know whether you'll like it or not.

>>134233538
Apprenticeship. Lots of skilled tradesmen are retirement age and younger males don't want to chip their fingernails.

Finish college you fucking moron.

>>134233538

Are you a nigger?

>>134237307
fuck off jew

>how dare you stray from the path we meticulously set out for you goyim. we need you to be in debt so you can work for the rest of your life and be a slave to money

>>134233538
As is said before, Get a trade. Get paid to learn, after 3-4 be earning $100k+, never have to worry about looking for work, never have to worry about gender quotas.

The Electrical, Plumbing and HVAC trades at where its at.

>>134237307
college is a scam unless you do stem or programming. even stem is a scam.

>>134233538
TRADE. >>134237058
apprenticeship get into a trade they pay good money.

>>134234524
To do CNC machining you're going to have to go to school to learn computer drafting and programming the machines. Pretty soon they're going to replace the button-pushers that just sit at machines for 8 hours a day and occasionally brush out chips.

>>134233538

Avoid retail industry unless you are truck driving, forklift operating, warehousing, supply or receiving. Trades are the way to go these days, but you better be ready to work hard.

Also, ONLY GO TO COLLEGE IF YOU HAVE TO!

>>134238092
This is bullshit.
I bought myself a small 4-axis CNC mill. I learned CAD, learned CAM and now cut parts of my own design. I did not need any formal schooling or training. You can teach yourself if you have some free time and the desire to learn.

If you have any debt, get the best job you can currently get and put all the money towards the debt. Snowball/avalanche method. Take more than one job if you can/must. The goal is to be a free man.

Live with a relative if you can. Or live in the cheapest shared apartment you can. Eliminate unnecessary costs. Don't spend your money on anything other than basic food and bills.

Once you have no debt you are free to do what you want. If you don't have any long term goals yet, it would do you well to travel your country, learn from and about new and all kinds of people. Stay away from debt.

Do you guys have something similar to our 3 years apprenticeship program? Like you get in fresh from hs at 16/17 then after 3 years you are considered to know a certain trade, accompanied by domain specific schooling

>>134233538
Learn programming. It's cheap af and can make you rich or get you a well paid job.

Go to a short 1 year trade school and start working towards an actual hands on career. DO NOT DO FAGGOT AUTO

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Start your own business. Do you know anything about video games? Skateboards? Precious Moments figurines?

Get a McJob, save up $500, buy some inventory and sell it on ebay. Use your profits to buy and sell more inventory. Once you start making enough profit to "pay" yourself what you were making to sustain yourself, go full time.

>>134239707

That is what I am currently doing right now. I got my small trade job and now I am trying to leap frog into a better job from there. Once my loans are payed off I am moving to either Montana or Alaska and calling it a life.

>>134233538
go to church and make connections

Join the military and learn a trade while in.

Get in electrical field as a electrician.

saw numerous time on pol and fit that electricians are making bank and shit is way easier than spending 5 years at elec engineering uni.

How many guys here recommending trades are on a trade themselves?

>>134242249
lol you're an ebay reseller? thats not really a "business"
A good way to scam people and get some money tho.

tradefags are correct.

College graduate here, a 4 year education is a losing bet against a volatile economy. It's taking the next 4 years of your life, during which you will gain no meaningful experience, have limited ability to work during your studies, and accrue massive high interest debt that you can never discharge, and betting all of that against the hope that the field you get your degree in will still need new blood 4 years later.

I graduated in 2008 with a design degree in a competitive industry, but because it was a luxury goods field, it completely evaporated when consumers lost confidence. My major went from a 97% employment rate with scouts and headhunters crawling all over us to a graduating class of 19 with only 2 of my alumni brothers getting hired out of the gate.

I was in student loan debt for 9 years and finally paid it off completely just 2 months ago and now I am free.

There is a cancer in the modern American man and it was caused by the pussyifying collapse of masculinity as the nuclear family dissolved. I'm not one of these hard right Trump voters or alt-right redpillers, and I disagree completely with most of their shit, but on this issue, they are absolutely right. Being a bunch of manbun skinny jean pussies killed the dignity of trade careers.

Now there are a generation of young men that never knew they could take a hard pass on college and get real careers by rolling up their sleeves and working for a living. Their pussifying single mothers all encouraged them to go to school instead, hoping they'd become doctors or lawyers.

Not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer and not everyone should want to be, but your whiny short hair libtard single mother is convinced that if your work involves getting dirt under your fingernails, you've failed.

If was working in trades in 2004 when I started school, by 2008 when I graduated I would have a higher salary and more benefits than an entry level college graduate with a competitive 4 year degree.

>>134242390
the only connection you can make at church are with drugged up pedo priests

>>134233538
>join the Air Force for 4 years with a cushy desk job
>get CCAF while active duty without touching your gi bill
>get out, have vet's preference, an AF associate's, and four years of work experience under your belt
It's not hard, anon. It's literally easy mode.

>>134243424
Compare the degree against beuro of labor statistics and pick a field that has jobs. You cannot go to school for political science or philosophy and expect to get a developer job.

Trade jobs suck, this is a lot of work every day. I don't think you guys know what you're talking about. Everyone recommending trades hasn't fucking done one.

>>134242390
This, there is a lot of businessmen at churches. Good way to make connections. What most anons should understand is that churches are like fraternities/"secret societies" for common people

>>134243448
can I still join the airforce? Im 28. Also is IT a good job for traveling to japan? I want to join AF or Navy but I also dont want to get stuck in a shitty job I dont like.

>>134243650
having a lot of work is a good thing. plus trade jobs pay very well. It is physically demanding but you will get in shape. Dont join a shitty union with a lot of physical labor. Also most trade jobs are being taken by journeymen these days.

>>134243836
but there is just a bunch of old ladies at my church.

twitter memes + a patreon

>>134244409
how do you make money of memes? maybe if you are a good porn artist I guess.

>>134243650
no, i didn't get a cuck degree in liberal arts or philosophy or some shit like that. I got a specialized design degree in a field that was competitive until the economy destroyed it. I keep tabs on my alumni brothers through facebook and to this day I only know of 2 of them working in that industry.

And I currently work in a skilled labor job. That's how I paid off my college debt.

The truth is that modern college is adult daycare and there is an increasingly slimmer pool of employable degrees that will return on their investment. As more people go to school, tuition rises, and competition increases, employers can afford to ask for more and offer less. Your 4 year degree isn't really shit anymore. You get out of school and find out that you just need to go right back in again. to remain competitive enough to get a job that will actually pay off your investment in education.

I tell young men all the time- If you're not getting elbow deep in rockets or another human being's guts, higher education typically isn't the answer.

Meanwhile, if you were an electrician or a plumber's apprentice, by the time I got out of school, you'd be making $90 an hour.

Go learn to weld.

Then learn to scuba.

Then be an underwater welder.

Yes, the job is dangerous.

But do you collegefags know what's more dangerous than a dangerous job?

Getting debtcucked and spending your entire adult life wishing you did something interesting.

Start working in a trade in your twenties and by the time you get to your mid thirties and you're starting to worry about the hard work and the strain you've put on your body, you'll be experienced enough to move to management or run your own company, and then you won't have to worry about what you did to your back when you were 25.

That's a way better deal than sitting in some office with your degree that isn't even relevant to your work, rotting your eyes in front of a computer screen waiting to get diabetes from your sedentary job.

Apprintenceship

>>134233538
Electrician, plumber, carpenter, metal worker, custodian, mechanic ect. Shit deals some serious money. Start out apprenticeship NOW.

>>134233538
No matter what you do, do not attend college. Go find a job at a mom and pop grocery store and work your ass off. Eventually try to get into management, and then open your own store with that same family business in a different location in the same town, or around the same town, and run that store. That's what I did, anyway. No college experience neccesary. I don't make a ton of money, but I make enough (~$38k a year) and a little more with bonuses. But I get to run a store and treat my employees the way I always wanted to be treated. Everything is great and it doesn't feel like work, what more could you ask for?