Should /pol/ be concerned about the Democratic Socialists of America?

>>134224864
Please make this happen. If the leftie vote is split between the dems and socialists, who do you think is going to win the district?

>>134224864
If capitalism is so great you shouldn't be worried about competition.

>>134224864
No and yes.

No because they are only going to divide the Globalists among Socialists.

Yes because when they take power from the Globalists through the Democratic Party, they'll be Venezuela-tier in terms of their governance.

>>134224864
No, we can make an example out of them when /pol/ autists take power in Washington

They aren't really a threat. The main DSA critique of the democrats is basically

>Democrats, you know all those things that you do that cause people to vote for Trump, like excessive welfare, unlimited third-world immigration, huge taxes, etc?
>You aren't going nearly far enough.

a DSA-led Democratic party would import the entirety of Central America into the US so that they could feel better about themselves.

>>134225952
What's your gross yearly income?

>>134226186
80k or so, why?

>>134225142
kek

>>134226322
DSA doesn't want to raise your taxes. You're too poor.

>>134226322
>>134226698

I think you've just been persuaded

>>134226698
This is a minor issue compared to unlimited third world immigration. Social Democracy in One Country (read: not flooded with Mexilards) is actually good. You can change an economic policy easily enough, but you can't really get rid of Pacos once they cross the border and start breeding.

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In Spain there is an autonomous community (Andalucía) that is ruled by socialists over the las 35 years. Is the poorest and most unemployed of all. But they still vote for them, anyway.
So you are fucked if they grown in EEUU

>>134224864
Only good commie is a dead commie

>>134226698
DSA's tax plan would see average American's paycheck drop by 10%.

Nice try.

>>134227100
Persuaded of what? That the DSA wants households making over 200k a year to pay income taxes equivalent to what they paidd 50 years ago?
>>134227344
So what your telling me is you have no idea how big a threat scarcity actually is.

>>134227947
>So what your telling me is you have no idea how big a threat scarcity actually is.
Not really?

>>134227645
What's the average yearly income in the US?

>>134228059
Why are you scared then?

>>134227355
dont know if the andalusian problem comes from psoe or its maybe the opposite...

>>134227947
You silly Socialist, I was commenting on how your persuasive counter-argument.

Will you be a good boy and vote Kamala Harris for 2020 to stop Drumpf?

>>134227947
>“It is absolutely true that all taxes would have to go up”
t. National Director of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) Maria Svart, 2015

>>134224864
no
third party is pointless, they don't even win municipal or county elections. If the Bernouts want to surrender what little control they have in the Democratic Primaries that's their own issue

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>>134225142

>>134228157
Because I have been to majority-Hispanic and majority-black areas. They are not so good, and more should not be encouraged.

>>134228293
Paying taxes in and of itself is not bad, but it is bad to pay taxes in support of dysgenic fertility of people who resent you.

>>134228293
How much did you spend on healthcare last year?
>>134228282
Are you a business owner? Or do you work for someone else?

>>134228430
I was pointing out the fact that that other anon is claiming that the DSA doesn't want to raise everyone's taxes--which they, in fact, do.

>>134228569
Man. You shill really well.

Answer my question first, though. Are you prepared to get with the Neoliberal program and vote Harris? Drumpf must be stopped at all costs.

You scared :)?

>>134228705
Sure. I'm not really a conservative, so I could care less about nominally high taxes. If something like the DSA proposed a ban on third-world immigration and wanted to bring back old-style-Progressive eugenics I would probably vote for them. Just bringing back the welfare state enables all the idiots to breed and it's why the birth rates are so shit.

>>134224864

The only thing that /pol/ should be concerned about when it comes to the Democratic Socialists of America is having enough helicopters.

>>134228859
Not really, I just hate Socialism and Communism

>>134228908
DSA are Trotsykists aka international communists.
So no, they won't be banning thirld world immigration anytime soon.

>>134224864
No, they'll be squabbling among the democrats trying to see which can be the greatest cuck of the two effectively securing a Republican win in 2020.

>>134228859
I was under the impression that /leftypol/ hates DSA as much as /pol/ does

>>134228430
>Big cities scare me and I spend most of my time shuttling between work and home.
Ah, understood.

>>134228809
>Drumpf must be stopped at all costs
Donald Trump is a tool of the corporate establishment in DC. Replacing him with another corporate tool won't change the underlying problem. BTW, the growth in DSA membership that OP mentioned? Guess what election that correlates with.
>>134228705
How much did you pay for healthcare last year.

>>134229271
God bless you sir.

T. Former business owner.

>>134229396
Stop coming here, Scott.

>>134229271
>an actual dsa member shilling on /pol/
How much are they paying you? Or do you do it for free?

>>134224864
Nah, the second they remove the Constitution, they will be killed in the streets.

>>134229271
A healthy amount of unease around non-Asian minorities is perfectly justified.

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>>134224864
Socialists are a bunch of welfare queens and entitled twats that don't want to work for their money or can't because of a disability. On the off chance that they're not lazy, they're a pseudo-intellectual that thinks they have all the answers to life's problems but don't understand the first thing about government, human nature, or life.

Same can be said of communists, since they're nearly the same thing, but commies tend to be more filled with violent, zealous idiots than peaceful-yet-angry hippies.

>>134229534
Uh. I'm not Scott. I'm just trying to build rapport with the opposition so that I can understand him.

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>>134224864
The DemSocs destroyed my country in the '60s and they are still doing it today. They are cryptocommies and I wish them the worst.

>>134229642
They pay me $80,001 a year :^)

>>134229748
I'm imagining you muttering this as you close the blinds on a beautiful summer day outside.

>>134229996
We can just talk, man.

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>>134226698
This. Unless you make over 150k annually, your taxes won't go up.

Also, depending on how much over that mark you make, the tax % only gets higher. It's funny to watch formerly poor people struggle once they get a taste of success from hard work. They get frustrated with the government for taxing them harder, for being successful. It's probably one of the bigger red pills on the free market.

>>134230259
Your really good a political persuasion. Tell me, would you back a Democratic Socialist Candidate if they ran as a Democrat?

>>134230259
I'm actually outside right now, though. I can just drive about 20 minutes downtown to see the wonderful effects of diversity.

Not really.

Will have fun beating them up at white power rallies though.

I encourage you guys to get violent so we can crack down really hard.

No way it will happed in the american """democracy""

>>134230306
>This. Unless you make over 150k annually, your taxes won't go up.
Wrong. Read Sanders' actual tax plan and the analyses of it. Everyone, across the board, would be paying more taxes.

>>134230259
>Being aware of racial crime rates makes you a shut-in
Laughable. What an artistic way to employ simple dismissal and ad hominem. 9/10.

I'd have given you the full 10/10 but I was heavily taxed to pay for your black friend to get into that one college, despite their criminal backgrounds and the white boy having superior grades. Oh well, I'm sure he won't rape 1-in-5 women during his stay. Black people are apparently incapable of committing crimes in liberal cities! Thanks university diversity! Thanks socialism!

>>134230259
Go live in a majority nigger neighborhood then.

Oh wait all these DSA people are lily white with no minority support.

>>134230528
I'd have to see their platform.

>>134230634
Then do so and report back.

>>134231045
These people come here and always get BTFO and leave, and then another one of them comes here and gets BTFO.

They will never learn.

>>134230942
>american """democracy""
You'd be surprised.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont_Progressive_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kshama_Sawant

I will not support any party that isn't pro white.

Death to antiwhites, kill antiwhites, rape antiwhite women!

>>134231021
>Wrong
Excellent argument.
>Read his actual tax plan
I did, as that is what I am citing.
>Everyone would be paying more taxes
I didn't argue against this. I'm aware that everyone would be paying higher taxes. However, he would be taxing people making 150k+ annually much more than they already are.

>>134225037
That's right. As long as the right isn't divided, this thing would hurt the left a lot.

>>134224864
GAS THE KIKES!

RACE WAR NOW!!

>>134231142
>Vermont

LOLOLOL

As expected, a lily white as fuck high income backwoods shithole.

DSA will never make any gains in Democrat controlled nignog core areas. You'll always be the bottom bitches to neoliberals.

But be sure to vote for Kamala Harris in 2020 :^)

>>134231256
>Unless you make over 150k annually, your taxes won't go up.
>I'm aware that everyone would be paying higher taxes
Which is it, shill?

>>134225037
>dems
>lefty

>>134231045
You also should stop watching youtube videos.
>>134231226
>you have no minority support
What's republican minority support like these days?

I mean, it works great if you're on a small ~93% white, homogeneous island. Can't imagine it working in America though.

>>134231045
Also wait, so the 1-in-5 statistic isn't fake?

>>134231350
unsurprisingly, people support redistribution when it isn't obviously going towards subsidizing resentful minorities.

>>134231737
Paying less for healthcare wouldn't help you?

>>134231582
>What's republican minority support like these days?
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/trump-did-better-blacks-hispanics-romney-12-exit-polls-n681386
Better than it was in 2012.

>>134225142
its only great for productive people

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>>134224864
I support it. Will make things that much easier.

>>134232006
Why is healthcare your only selling point?
Nobody here wants to live in USSR 2.0: Trotsky Edition even if everyone received """free""" healthcare

>>134232141
Be careful what you wish for.

>>134232023
>http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/trump-did-better-blacks-hispanics-romney-12-exit-polls-n681386
Oh wow you're right. 8 is a higher number than 6 and 29 is a higher number than 27.

>>134232319
It's something that everyone pays for, and in case you hadn't noticed, it kinda costs a lot here. How much did you pay in premiums last year?

>>134232319
At this point, life in USSR was better.

>>134231468
Yeah. My mistake.
>>134231582
>Stop listening to people's opinions
Done.
>>134231722
The 1-in-5 is a total lie, yes, but I was playing a liberal argument against what I thought was a liberal argument.

>>134232589
Take off your meme flag so everyone can see where you're posting from.

And DSA denounces the USSR from Stalin to Gorbachev. They're internationalists and revisionists.

>>134232135
It's great for jews to control their livestock. Then we have cuckholds like you trying to defend them too.

>>134232364
Show me a DSA branch with higher minority numbers.

>>134232854
DSA also whines about actual socialists joining their ranks. I'm pretty sure they are some kind of honeypot.

>>134232528
Because giving something access to public money makes it more expensive.

I've been working in fire and ems for almost 15 years now and I'm in management, I can tell you that anything there's a grant for is expensive because the cash source is held at gunpoint.

Not to mention there are so many shitty doctors, an increasingly exclusive supply of unionized nurses (who artificially drive up costs with their wage and keep other professions, such as Paramedics, from doing large portions of their job for less money) and a dozen other reasons why our existing system of "healthcare" should be viewed with suspicion if not animosity by its customers.

Giving it a direct tap to the taxpayers pocketbook is the LAST thing we should be doing. The whole damn model needs to be gutted.

>>134232674
So what you're saying is black people aren't rapists?
>>134233068
If only there was some kind of economic system that didn't offer incentives for predatory business practices.

>>134233046
Redneck Revolt is a honeypot.
DSA isn't. They would only be whining about "actual socialists" joining their ranks because they know "Democratic Socialist" sounds more acceptable to the average American than straight-up "Socialism." Vast majority of their funds is going towards shilling and spreading their message right now, as evidenced by the paid operative ITT.

>>134233288
I'm saying, statistically, black people commit more violent crimes on average - which includes rape.

If liberals believe the 1-in-5 meme, they have to consider ALL people on campus. This includes female attackers, trans attackers, minority attackers etc. However, it's been made clear that they're only concerned with white male attackers. All other demographics are disregarded and ignored.

>>134233396
Well, then it's garden variety liberal co-option or COINTELPRO.

>muh intersectionality
>muh progressive stack

>>134233288
Yeah, like getting rid of insurance, abolishing their shit unions to open competition, and getting rid of all the patent protections on drugs so generics reduce prices of both medications and devices.

Insurance I could keep or abolish but if you get rid of the big cash mountain, I often wonder if they wouldn't have to become less expensive to survive. But my other two points are pretty solid.

>>134233288
Name a socialist country that didn't collapse (USSR, Eastern Bloc, Venezuela, African Marxist states), turn to outright state capitalism (China), abandon Marxism (DPRK), or become a dictatorship (Cuba).

Why is there a correlation between market freedom and standard of living?

>>134232948
I don't have any data on this, but just anecdotally DSA is pretty white. So yeah, you're right.
>>134233396
Nah I get my money direct from the jewish overlords that watch you masturbate.
>>134233644
Do you think with the current way that political campaigns raise money any of these things will actually happen?
>>134233740
Just imagine I did the thing where I named all the democratic socialist countries here.

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>>134233740
Because you literally invaded countries, toppled their governments and turned them into banana republics so they would give you their stuff for almost nothing.

>>134234213
>Just imagine I did the thing where I named all the democratic socialist countries here.
DSA are not (((""democratic socialists"""))). Democratic socialism is a meme. """Socialist""" parties in France, Scandinavia, Germany (SPD, not talking about Die Linke) are all center-left. DSA is strictly anti-capitalist and advocates seizing the means of production.
You can't compare your organization's platform to "Scandinavian Socialism," because you're to the left of them.

>>134234362
>usa invaded the ussr, prc, dprk, cuba, venezuela, and eastern europe and turned them into banana republics
wew lad
And if you're going to use the argument that everyone single one of those countries fell or strayed from socialism due to the CIA, then that just shows the weakness of that system and its inability to defend itself.

>>134234213
How does it feel to get btfo?

>>134234773
>Operation Condor
>the absolute state of amerishart education

Fuck I never get tired of you guys visiting and getting BTFO. I will support this movement on my normie book, in public etc, constantly pulling for you. The beautiful thing is just like the election this will siphon enough votes to destroy any chance you have. If not, well, accelerationist theory, I can't wait to watch your antifa militias suffer from the diversity you so badly want lol.

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Post ending in is which one you get to keep in your white sharia rape gang.

>>134234941
What does Operation Condor have to do with Deng Xiaoping and the collapse of the USSR?
Why are you unable to defend the collapse of the most powerful socialist state in history and the evolution of the second most powerful into a state capitalist behemoth?

What does Operation Condor have to do with Maduro and the failures of Chavism? What does Operation Condor have to do with DPRK? What does Operation Condor have to do with the 1989 Revolutions and the eradication of the far left in Eastern Europe?

>>134235316
Just reroll 6s because I fucked up the numbering.

>>134235417
>>134235316
GODDAMMIT

>>134235316

I don't want any of them, but I understand the need to take on the vandal name and spread our seed. It's my duty to the 14 words.

>>134235364
You asked
Why is there a correlation between market freedom and standard of living?

The correlation is your standard of living is high because you stole a lot of shit.

>>134235450
thats much better

OP do you have the dyke haired cutie's instagram? She'd make a good little skinhead breeding slut.

>>134235316
roll

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>>134235488
>vandal name
Now we're talking!

Being a commie is technically a felony here in America. We should meme someone in the government into acting on it.

>>134235623
You could have done worse with her, she'd be serviceable with a little slimming down.

>>134235549
We're just arguing past each other.
I say socialism always fails, and you say CIA actively prevented its taking root in South America. And then I say the most prominent examples of socialism, the nexuses from which worldwide revolution was supposed to spread, collapsed or abandoned socialism all on their own.

>>134235316
roll

>>134235938
Nobody wins in this game

>>134234213
HEY FAGGOT GIVE ME DYKE #0'S FUCKING CONTACT INFO NOW

>>134235705
Actually, California just passed a law allowing communists to serve in their state government!

>>134236016
>not wanting to rape and enslave your enemies' women


You only lose if you get a nonwhite or a really uggo chick.

>>134235668

Never served but I listen/support when I can. I'm a dallas goy so I would love to bump into them at a event.

>>134236093
California is doing a ton of super illegal shit and I sincerely wish for Trump to send in the National Guard and put them down.

Democratic socialism is a mirage because the changes, dislocations, and sufferings which could not be avoided during the first stage of a transition from individualism to socialism would inevitably cause defeat at the polls if democratic methods were maintained and would very probably plunge the country into civil war

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>>134235931
And most people regret it. Most people miss it. Every generation hates capitalism more and more. And they aren't just masturbating to the Communist Manifesto, like neonazis do to Mein Kampf.

But none of this matters, because you're a cuckold whose only defense is an appeal to strength, and nothing will convince you otherwise, because USA is here, and USSR isn't. Which means we need to have this argument again in... roughly 3 years from now.

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>>134224864
No, this is actually a good thing it will split the leftists vote and cause them to lose elections.

>>134235549
Well then maybe those poor socialist countries should get some economic freedom too, it is somewhat funny to think that communist nations have been subdued to be the bitch of capitalist nations.

>>134236684
>it is somewhat funny to think that communist nations have been subdued to be the bitch of capitalist nations
It's alright, next time we will just launch the nukes. Easy.

>>134236565
>Most people miss it
Enough with this meme. Russians don't miss the USSR because they hate capitalism, they hate the USSR because they used be tied for number 1 in a bipolar world. Take off that flag and stop talking about shit you know nothing about. I've been to Russia, I know Russians, I have family in Russia. Gennady's Communist Party is at an historic low in popularity. Stalin comes first in opinion polls of "most revered Russian" because of WWII. Guess who ALWAYS comes in second in those polls? Nicholas II.

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>>134236873
So you're plan is to be nuked into oblivion?

>>134224864
> socialists
Kill it with fire

>>134237080
He's a deranged Posadist who doesn't want to accept 1979, 1989, and 1991.

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>>134237080
>peaceful protest doesn't work
>peaceful organizing doesn't work
>peaceful co-existence doesn't work
Capitalists brought this upon themselves.

>>134237538
cringe

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>>134237040
They also used to have a much higher standard of living. And had children above replacement rate. And you can literally see East Germany when checking who votes for Die Linke. Makes you thinks, doesn't it?

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>>134237538
>commies return after all these years
>launch a few nukes at the USA
>nukes are shot down with missile defense systems, 0 casualties to the capitalists
>communist nation is turned into a radioactive hellhole in return

>>134237764
>0 casualties
That's wishful thinking.

>>134234362
I can't find any substantive source for that claim of colonial debt being paid in your image.

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>>134237935
The only countries that would turn communist in this day and age are 3rd world crapholes, which can't afford to set up a massive network of nuclear missile and missile defense systems.

>>134237964
>substantive source
You mean, you actually googled 'France colonial tax' and dismissed all the sources?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/declassified-emails-reveal-natos-true-motive-topple-gaddafi-stop-creation-gold-backed-african-currency/

>>134238175
>when shit hits the fan, surely people will turn to fascism!
???

>>134238253
Yeah, because they didn't list any evidence for such things, they just stated it (in suspiciously similar language in each place) and I had no reason to assume what they say is factual.

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>>134238360
I never said they would embrace fascism. When has a 1st world nation ever accepted communism? It's wishful thinking to say they ever would.

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>>134237707
Russia has been breeding above the replacement rate for several years now.

>Die Linke
Never has a majority and is only in the governments of Brandenburg, Thurinigia, and Berlin.

The far left is dead in every other Eastern Bloc country.

>>134234618
The DSA isn't a top-down organization. We all have different opinions. I'm not as far left as a lot of comrades and yeah, in other parts of the world I'd probably be more in line with the center left. But anything's better than the Dems, which are center right anyway.
>>134234782
Do you wanna keep talking?

>>134238495
Then why did France spearhead the toppling of Ghaddafi, citing the gold-backed currency as a threat in their influence in Francafrique?

>>134238873
>DSA isn't a top-down organization
>what is the National Policy Committee
>what is the National Office in NYC
>what is the Steering Committee

>We

>center-left
>using the word comrade

Why are you even here, if not to shill?

>>134239276
Because that's a threat to their own regional influence? Not anywhere near proof of some exorbitant colonial tax.

>>134239327
Let me explain what I mean by that: each chapter is largely autonomous. Some chapters are more left than others.
As for the center-left thing, do you think the Democratic party is left of center?

>>134239893
To expand on that, the national office doesn't unilaterally decide the platform and hand down marching orders. Each chapter sends delegates to a convention and then the platform is reworked and voted on by delegates. This is the Democratic part.

>>134239893
US Democratic Party has leftist factions (Warren), centrist factions (the vast majority of them, and they're all leftist on social policy), and conservative factions (Webb).

Now that I've answer your question, answer mine.
>Why are you even here, if not to shill?

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>>134224864
I hope this party grows to be significantly large. By splitting the leftist vote they'll keep the right-wing in charge for a long time.

>>134240400
Yeah I don't think Warren's a leftist. To the left of a lot of Dems, sure, but not left of center. And I just like talking about these things and appreciate some people on here's capacity to hear dissenting opinions.

>>134240983
What do you hope to accomplish with the DSA?
How do you define "democratic socialism"?
Why do you believe you can achieve socialism in the USA through democratic processes?
Do you see the DSA as a front for communists?
Would you "stop" at nationalization of all major industries, or would you like to see the state eventually wither away?

>>134239478
Goddamn, it's hard to find info on France's shadow colonial empire.

What we know is that
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7afrique is real
2. The constitution of the Fifth Republic changed the French colonies to be overseas territories and protectorates called French Community
3. All of the above was supposedly gotten rid of, except not really.
4. France is still active militarily in Africa
http://www.businessinsider.com/frances-military-is-all-over-africa-2015-1
5. http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2013/08/201387113131914906.html
6. Out of all the coups that happened in post-colonial Africa, a huge portion happened in former French Africa.

>>134241664
>unarchived shill
>http://businessinsider com/frances-military-is-all-over-africa-2015-1
https://archive.is/EtLZg
>http://aljazeera com/programmes/specialseries/2013/08/201387113131914906.html
https://archive.is/sHLNh

>>134241513
-Move the overton window to the left
-a democratically controlled economy
-Yes, the DSA is a front for dirty commie Jews who you're gonna throw from a helicopter etc.
-for the other questions, you're gonna have to define what you mean by socialist since I think we have different definitions of that term.

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>>134242754
>a democratically controlled economy
So you're just full out socialist? Not even social democracy like Sanders and the Nordic countries, but full leftist socialism?

>>134235668
What happened to those guys? Havent heard any new eps in over a month. What gives

>>134243137
DSA is generally to the left of Sanders, yes.

>>134242754
doesn't even know how to greentext.

>Yes, the DSA is a front for dirty commie Jews who you're gonna throw from a helicopter etc.
DSA rejects the USSR and doesn't call itself a communist organization, yet many of its purported members on twitter constantly post communist memes and follow accounts like "@maozedongthot." It's a legitimate question.

>for the other questions, you're gonna have to define what you mean by socialist since I think we have different definitions of that term.
DSA website says it wants to nationalize energy, steel, and other "national" industries.

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>>134243476
Well, good luck to you guys.

>>134243611
Thanks anime cat lady
>>134243503
Tell me why you think nationalizing those things are bad.
And yeah, like I said, lots of people in DSA are further left then I am, some even identify as communist. You have Twitter so you already know this.

>>134225142
This. I think an increasing portion of the right is turning against neoliberal economics as well. I have no problem with socialism just gibs to niggers.