Someone from Poland who can give me a quick rundown on what's

Nazis are in government.

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Commies in the jewdicial system about to get BTFO.

just commies being commies

polexit when

>>134189002
We are kicking out old commie bongs from Supreme Court.

>>134189668

Why is the EU mad?

>>134189940
U tell me

>>134189002
Wrong think.

>>134189002
>Article 7
Military intervention?

>>134189940
Because EU is communist?

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>>134189002
so they are at it again? nice
dumb racist poland will fall

>>134190168

From what i have heard in the news over here it's the fact that the government now decides who the judges going to be. No more separation of government and justice system.

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>>134189940
Because the EU are commies and the judges are the only thing left to demand Poland divert resources from their families to Muslim families.

Your so out of touch are you the BBC by any chance.

>>134190243

>Article 7.1 would allow the Council to give a formal warning to any country accused of violating fundamental rights. If that doesn’t have the desired effect, Article 7.2 would impose sanctions and suspend voting rights.

>>134189002
you need to know a little of the historic background in order to realize why and what is happening right now

>1989, communism falls
>leaders of Solidarność (Solidarity) meet with commie leaders in Magdalenka to discuss changing country into democratic state
>they basically made the whole new system so the ex-communists can steal
>the worst thing is judiciary system
>it works like that: postcommunists have chosen their people to rule the Highest Court, ((judges))
>then anyone who wants to become a judge in the Highest Court, must be elected by the Highest Court, with zero control of the government or any other institution

basically it was a country in the country

ok, what's going on right now

>our ruling party, PiS, decided to go full fuck-off mode
>they are making the following changes:

-every judge is forcibly send on retirement
-unless the minister of justice says otherwise
-every judge that is >65 y.o. must retire, unless the minister of justice says otherwise
-the minister of justice chooses new judges

in other words, we have no longer separation of powers

but it seems that they made small changes, that instead of minister of justice choosing new judges, it is 3/5 of the parliament
but this changes almost nothing, in fact

tldr; we are getting rid off fucking commies that are pro-eu

>>134190465

Take it easy burger. I'm only asking questions. I don't have an opinion on this because i don't know all the facts. That's why i started this thread.

>>134190430
Dont buy bullshit. Parliament will choose judges' council and it in turn will choose new Supreme Court. No biggie. Also Supreme court in Poland is not the same as in USA

I would go to Europe and blow shit up over this. I'll kill women and children, don't even care. Timmermans should have his tongue torn out and castrated

>>134190472

So basically, the EU is going to kick Poland out?

I mean, the Polacks have been telling both the Russians and the Germans to go fuck themselves for centuries, knowing full well they're gonna get their shit pushed in.

I assume this is for "God and country and honor" or something along those lines.

So no more free movement of goods'n'sheet and the Polacks will tells Brussels to sodomize themselves with a rake?

I love based Polacks.

Get idiot Germans to build new Autobahns for them, and then peace-out when the gibs stop.

Why can't Germany be so based? :(

>>134190472
But commies are not human. So what's all the fuzz about? baka

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>>134189002
>>134189361
>>134190243
https://euobserver.com/justice/138568

>Commission vice-president Frans Timmermans said the laws recently adopted by the Polish parliament, and the proposed reform of the Supreme Court, put the judiciary under political control and are an attack on the rule of law.

>"These laws considerably increase the threat to the rule of law in Poland,” Timmermans told reporters after a meeting of commissioners on Wednesday (19 July).

>"Each law, if adopted, would seriously erode the independence of judiciary. Collectively they would abolish any remaining judicial independence and put the judiciary under full political control of the government, […] judges will serve at the pleasure of the political leaders,” he added.

>The European Commission will launch legal probes into the laws next week, once their text is published and translated.

>The EU executive is also preparing to trigger Article 7, a two-phased procedure that assesses the risk of a systematic threat to the rule of law and could eventually lead to sanctions, such as suspending a member state's voting rights.

>“We are coming very close to triggering Article 7. Our hand is still extended to the Polish authorities for dialogue, […] but dialogue will not stop the commission from taking any measures it deems necessary,” Timmermans said.

>>134190512
>in other words, we have no longer separation of powers
I mean I'm glad you're purging commies, but how is the above a good thing?

>>134190784
your judges are elected, our are beyond any control

>>134190512

Thanks for the summary. How else could they have fixed this commie problem without taking action like this? I don't see any.

>>134190838
No they aren't. Read a book

>>134190784
Democracy is a scam. At least that way no commies are in power.

>>134190763
Yeah, I'm sure sanctioning Poland over its democratically elected government would hurt that government and not make people rally behind them to fend off foreign aggressors.

>>134189940
kek are you memeing ore?

>>134190567
I apologize, I just wanted to post the ukip gilf and laugh about the "is that the bbc by any chance" press conference.

>>134190625
lol you should blockade all german goods from going to poland... watch the slav scum eat potato and wash clothes in the river.

>>134190838
Our federal and Supreme Court judges are not (directly) elected. The president nominates a candidate and congress confirms

>>134191123

They would just purchase Korean and Japanese goods instead. Not wise.

>>134189002
We are Nazis now according to Eu. They think that because current government is kicking out post-commie judges from the highest court.

>trump visits poland
>democratic features of the country get removed days later
>?????????????

will they fucking STOP MEDDLING IN OUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS FFS

The only thing keeping us in this gay union is the gibs, just end it now so we can leave sooner

>>134191139
that's bad desu. that's why the supreme court is now 1/3 jewish, 51% libshit. judges should be elected by the congress.

>>134191267
>Fire rises

>>134191267
>Democratic feature
Closer to aristocratic when only the judges vote for replacements.

>>134189002
Never gonna happen their whole economy is based on free eu money.

>>134190625
> Why can't Germany be so based?
you had your chance 80 years and you eternally fucked the white race back then
Germany cannot be allowed to have any political views. It always ends in the destruction of Europe.

>>134190784
>I mean I'm glad you're purging commies, but how is the above a good thing?
in your country the president chooses the judge, and then your deputies must allow him to be a judge (2/3rd of all votes, if I remember well)
And he is a judge till the end

in Poland, judges elected themselves, and it is only for 10 years

I am not saying that this is a good thing, but as long as our ruling power is somehow right-wing, this is certainly not a VERY bad thing
It is much better than it used to be, that's for sure. But they went too far, though.

>>134190885
>How else could they have fixed this commie problem without taking action like this? I don't see any.
There is no good solution to this problem. The best scenario would getting rid of every judge and then implementing for example American system, or even Dutch one. But first every judge must be proved that he has no connection to communists, in any form (family/business partners, etc)

>>134191399

Incorrect. They get double-digit billions every year, but that accounts for about 1% of GDP.

>>134191223
>Poland kick commies
>suddendly (((civil unrest)))
>civil war comes
>Poland get the full EU dick
jews always win kiddos

>>134189002
undemocratic opposition, EU shills try to crash legal voted government

>>134191399
Lel, most of the gibs are "infrastructure projects" that waste money doing nothing of use, like new sidewalk pavements besides roads, or art projects

The most they get out of it is the agricultural common subsidy - which everyone gets - and a couple free roads

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looks like we have to invade poland again

>>134191532

A Polish civil war between Poland A and Poland B would be interesting to watch.

I think Poland B would kick the shit out of Poland A, but that is just speculation.

>>134190624
We already know you don't care about killing women and children, CIA. You niggers do it ever day.

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>>134189002
>>134189940
>>134190763
>Frans Timmermans

Watch this (4.5 minutes):

>Diversity or War (Frans Timmermans, the MIX)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQC9AQpC-MA

>>134191611

How are we going to do that? Bundeswehr has been so neutered Denmark could take Hamburg and we could do absolutely dick about it.

>>134191634
hopefully.

i would switch sides and help Poland B in a scenario like that.

>>134191733
You build up an immune system but infesting yourself with the genetic trash of the whole world.
No one would even want to conquer you anymore.

>>134191611
Planning on warming up the broomstick Kampfgruppe are we? Your country would have trouble invading and holding the territory of fucking Luxemburg.

>>134191829
>You build up an immune system but
*built
*by
I should proof read before submitting.

>>134191857

proofread

>>134189002
well he sure is getting triggered :DDDDDDDDD

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>>134191611

>>134191590
Most funds are for infrastructure projects...which go back to Germany***

>>134189002
what is going on in Poland
1. Germans who created EU and funded PO want to use both opposition and EU to abolish goverment because they are cut from trough and can't force even more retarded policies than PIS does.
2. PIS is ruining country with retarded policies just like every other leftist party.

>>134191682

He's a dangerous man. Was a nobody in Dutch politics. Suddenly he gets this major function in the EU. Nobody likes him. The Dutch party he is a member of (Dutch Labour Party) has witnessed the biggest loss ever in the history of our democracy during the last elections.

>>134189002
Poland should threaten to (and maybe even actually) trigger article 50 before the EU has the chance to slap them with sanctions

Have been to events with some high up people from the commission and parliament, can confirm that they are all shit scared that Brexit will compel other countries to leave the EU. This is entirely logical because the EU only has authority so long as its member states remain part of the union.

They're also really upset with Macron bc some EU officials pulled some shady behind the scenes strings to get him elected and now he's going full 1488 and making France much more powerful than Germany is comfortable with.

If Poland leaves the EU it might be the last nail in their coffin, not because the EU would lose a ton of value in annual member state dues but because it adds momentum to Brexit and the potential for other nations to leave.

>>134191930
Well fuck me. Allah better smite me right the fuck now for being a retard.

>>134191844
No he wouldnt. Fuck off

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>>134191972
This is how our national TV is describing your country. How you gonna respond, Hans?

>>134189002
We are changing our judicial system to be more similiar to the one in Germany to kick out commie judges...

And leftists are mad about it.

>>134192040
>Timmermans is a Dutch version of the Jewish surname Zimmerman

— Rabbi Benzion Kaganoff

...really make u tink...

Is this part of the thing where the commies initiated like 7 judges right before they lost power and then the newly elected government threw those judges out?

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POLAND TAKE YOUR FUCKING JUNGLE YOU ASSHATS. EVERYONE ELSE AGREED TO DIVIDE UP THE ZOO, YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR SHARE

>>134191634
Young liberals don't have will to fight or die for their ideas. They care about Poland, but not that much.
Young conservatives are very much ready for that, and there are more of them. So it wouldn't be much of a war.

History repeats itself

>Poland allied with USA, France and Britain
>Germany and their empire pissed off at Poland
>Germany about to hurt Poland
>Russia just waiting

>>134192336
there's not many young to fight a war cuz ur birth rate is lower than germany's, kek.

>>134190512
aren't you just getting rid of judges that will inhibit PiS?
why would you get rid of judges that are pro-EU when Poland is the most pro-EU nation in the union?

>>134189002
Nooo Polen stop

>>134191844
actually only France and Britain have an operative military in Europe.

the polish military is in an even worse shape than the German one and the Germans could at least throw a shit ton of money at it if needed.

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>>134192440
what?

>>134192336

Basically this, I figure Poland B would kick the shit out of everyone, and then cut Warsaw, Danzig, Breslau and the Kattowitz area off from public utilities and food.

It would be similar to the Sitzkrieg in WWII.

>>134192440
??
Judges in Poland should adhere to the laws of the land in which they serve, not the laws of some superstate union with other laws

There's also a judiciary branch in the eu

>>134192440
Poland is pro-freegibs, no pro-EU. Every Pole I know despise multiculturalism and Political Correctness which pretty much become sinonimous with EU.

>>134189940
no really what's the EU's perspective on this?
are they more butthurt about this or the refusal to take "refugees"?

>>134192440
>aren't you just getting rid of judges that will inhibit PiS?
yes we are, but the problem is the whole system, changing people won't fix this

>why would you get rid of judges that are pro-EU when Poland is the most pro-EU nation in the union?
we are pro-schengen and pro-gibs
and that's all

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>>134192373
Have been saying this for a while. It's overtly disturbing and I don't understand why it is not a stronger narrative

What's article 7?
Isn't that the article that makes you leave the EU?

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>>134192440
>amerishit education

>>134192649
except the internet is full of retards that are paid for typing refugees welocme
the rest of lambs are attaching to them quickly

tl;dr

Currently, in Poland the judges are picked by the Supreme Court, and both the executive and the legislative can do nothing about. The first judges were communists, and ever since they've been picking more communists. Nobody can take them out since only themselves can pick more judges.

Government is changing it so that you need executive and parliamentary confirmation for any judge, and retiring judges older than 65 (all communists).

EU is melting down because they hate democracy.

>>134189002
Fucking Poland or any one of the Visegrad group should Trigger article 7 over Germany's deliberate attempt to flood Europe with hostile mass raping Muslim men.

>>134192763
no, you have article 50 on your mind
article 7 basically means that they can discuss about the punishment, for example financial one

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>>134192672
Poland is a de facto ethnic state for the Poles, and they like it that way. Naturally, this is unacceptable to the anti-white EU. Trump's high-profile visit has also emboldened the Poles in their ethno-nationalism.

>>134192587
Your multicultural reich is crumbling Angela

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>>134192763
Forceful suspension of a (EU) member state's voting rights because of "human rights violations".

>>134190625
they're gonna get their shit pushed in.
kek - never heard that phrase before- it be ouch
Hansi you make me laff

>>134192988
>dismantling a corrupt autocratic system inherited from a socialist dictatorship is a human right violation
kek

>>134192822

real democracies actually have a division of powers and
checks and balances.

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>>134192083

Meanwhile in Szwedsko

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>>134192772

>>134190168
Who who chose judges to supreme court in aquafresh land?

>>134193224
>muh German products are too competitive

>>134193240

so basically no country on earth can call itself a democracy

>>134193240
Judiciary Power is unchecked and unbalanced. Government (both executive and legislative) are balancing it. EU opposes the balance and supports keeping the remains of a communist dictatorship.

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>>134191481
>>134190512
Love boland

>>134192325
Fuck these parasites. Tolerated for too long.

>>134192876
>>134192988

Yeah, but the EU has a faggot voting system in place.
Where in order to do something, every single member must agree on it. So Poland can't be sanctioned, for instance, because the Baltic States and the other V4 stats all said they refuse it and that's 6 votes right there, on top of a few other countries that refused it.

>>134193317
every western country a division of powers in place otherwise they would have ended up as corrupt hell hole like Brazil did.

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>>134193211
But muh free pro-EU courts!

>>134193473
So if the executive leader nominates and the legislative vote on it, that's not separation?

>>134193277
please stop :D

>>134193398
is that a he/she? It is not very attractive.

>>134193398
Generation Z - Poland Edition.

>>134193473

>every western country a division of powers in place otherwise they would have ended up as corrupt hell hole like Brazil did

Which western countries are you talking about? The USA's last wars since Vietnam were all declared by some President's executive order without even going through congress.

>>134191857
You can also use the edit feature anon
>edit: see? Just like this

>>134193641
It's a leftist - a type of poisonous plant native to many european countries.

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>>134193600

And just over the border in Niemcy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSOkpb4XbCo

>>134192601
How can u invade anyone when ur under US occupation since 1945

Is there a foreign legion equivalent in Poland ? How do I sign in ?

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>>134193277
that's very progressive, shame that I can't say the same about my country

>>134193398
thanks, anon

>>134193452
article 7 says that 80% must agree on sanctions, I think

Quick rundown?

So Poland recently had some changes in government which is pursuing the purge of old EU commies in high places in order to keep control of their country to Poland, and EU is butthurt because they have less control on Poland now correct? Seem right?

Want to make sure I have it down before I start letting others know what's up.

>>134193993
Sorry, anon. We don't have foreign legion in Poland and if you want to join the Polish Army then you need to have Polish citizenship.

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>>134193874

PiS is basically conservative socialist - same as communists. A hearty KEK to idiots who think Poland is an ally against the socialist. If a new socialist power rises, Poles will be among the first to suck their dicks. After all, bourgie Germans are responsible for Poland's eternal 3rd world status while pierogi-niggers dindu nuffin.

problem is... Poland needs the EU.

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>>134192440

>>134189002
FUCK THE EU
LONG LIVE TRUE POLAND

>>134194060
I have a Polish name, my gramps were immigrants. Is this enough ?

>>134189002
Main ruling party wants to do a Russia-style power grab on courts, including the Supreme Court responsible for declaring the legality of elections. This completely breaks the Constitution, which btw they already violated multiple times since they first took office in 2015.

I hope they pull the trigger this time. I want to see my retarded countrymen suffer. If all goes well they will buy over Orban and put on real sanctions too.

>>134193678
that has nothing to do with separation of powers. the Us president can't just make laws neither can he tell judges how to use these laws.

>>134194099
>conservative socialist
try national socialist

>>134194102
Problem is EU needs us so they wont do shit

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>>134194000
Niema problemu kollego

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>>134194043
Yep, no cookies for marxist inflirtators no more.

>>134193678
Theoretically our system goes like this.
Congress has the power to make bills, which are proposed laws.
The president has the power to sign a bill, making it a law, or not, in which case it doesn't become a law. But a vote of 2/3 of Congress is as good as the President's signature, for this step.
The courts make specific rulings under the law.
Judges are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate ("half" of Congress). Judicial appointments are for life, but Congress can impeach a judge to remove him.

>>134194172

You said "western countries have checks and balances".A president declaring war by himself is the farthest you can get from having checks and balances.

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>>134194043
>pursuing the purge of old EU commies in high places
ex-soviet commies are the new eu-commies

> Seem right?
mostly yea, but the other butthurt is about the fact that there is no seperation of powers, in fact

>>134194099
>implying that NatSoc was bad for Germans before 1939

>>134194158
If you can prove that, then yea

>A person of Polish descent is considered to be a person declaring Polish nationality and meeting each of the following conditions:

>1) at least one parent or grandparent or two great grandparents are or were of Polish nationality or were Polish citizens,

http://www.migrant.info.pl/polish-descent-2440.html

>>134191347
No it shouldnt, it should be elected by both, as it is.

Giving either legislation or the executive branch complete control over the supreme court would be a disaster.

>>134194000
That's not happening.
I think the only ones that want sanctions are Germany, Sweden and Austria (both cucked el primo).
I remember this Polish guy I talk with on discord said that Juncker himself said that over 2/3rds of the EU disagree with sanctions on Poland.

In an unrelated question, if the US ever goes to war with Russia, chances are Poland is going to get Kaliningrad. What would be the Polish name for Konigsberg?

>>134194043
Yep that is exactly what is happening

>>134194175
If your goal is to become the first case of self-genocide, the burgerclaps beat you to it.

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>Poland leaves EU
>Millions of poles in the EU return to Poland
>demographic crisis averted without the need for shitskin migrants
sounds pretty good to me

>>134194249
Congress holds responsibility for impeaching and trying all judges, as an aside. There are a good few clips of Gowdy tearing down judges for ruling from the bench.

>>134194312
Well, Poland didn't legally exist when they moved, it was back in the 20's. My great great parents were probably "german" officially. That sucks.

>>134194358
Królewiec

>>134194425
Damn, that picture is actually epic as fuck. Poland vs the Teutonic Order.
Who drew it?

>>134192083
She is very attractive.
My benis...

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>>134194181
Hope you're right.

>tfw poland and Germany start another world war

>>134194512
Jakub Różalski

>>134194358
The Russians would rather nuke kalingrad.
You know nothing about the Russian mentality.
Russians won't lose a chicken race, because they'd rather drive off the cliff than let you win.
At least from my experience.

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>>134194222
What is written here?

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>>134194512
No idea, I got it in some other /pol/and thread. Also this one.

>>134194167
Fuck off

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>>134194077

What zis Intoleranß, Polen! Follow ze rules!!

>>134194307
the US president is called commander in chief and not supreme judge for a reason.

Also, i don't think you can do any wars without the congress backing you: I think they have to at least have to approve the budget and so on.

>>134194312
If an ideology related to socialism is the only way to save a nation, it shouldn't be saved.

>>134193473
>every western country a division of powers in place otherwise they would have ended up as corrupt hell hole like Brazil did.

Brazil also has all that crap on paper. But they are Mestizo subhumans, so naturally their democracy is just a cargo cult - a facsimile of the real thing. Democracy was invented by Aryan peoples - nobody else can replicate it.

>>134190512
>1 week ago Trump visits Poland
>then this happens
Do you think it's related?

>>134194222
Ultra rare police Pepe?

Rare as fuck!!!

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>>134194425
meanwhile in reality

>>134194181
>Problem is EU needs us so they wont do shit
They do?

>>134194816

>Also, i don't think you can do any wars without the congress backing you: I think they have to at least have to approve the budget and so on.


You theoretically can't but they did.That's not having checks and balances.

>>134194844
Brazil has fundamental problems, only thing that would straighten them up is a Pinochet type dictator.
Every south American nation preddy much needs one.

>>134194866
related? idk.
Trump gave USA's blessing. That's for sure.

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>>134194816
>>134193678
actually, the BR monkey is right and I wish Congress would do something about it.

The U.S. President only has a right to military action if it's an emergency and Congress can't meet quickly enough. They have been abusing their executive privileges unconstitutionally.

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>>134194770
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPa-Ol7kVpY

>>134190763

>thinking potato's look that ugly

>>134189076
I. Would feel less bad about northern Illinois being majority non white these days of this were true
I need to leave this shit state

>>134189002
Holy Shit a "Formal warning" !?

Works on Northe Korea when the UN does it.

>>134194866
It was supposed to happen earlier but was moved until after his visit.
Also the fact that Trump did not mention one word about the alleged destruction of democracy in Poland tells you a lot.

>>134194844
Democracy is the worst fucking thing to Grace modern civilization.

Thanks aryans!

>>134194985
What you are saying is that primitive people need a Khan, a Chief, a brutal warlord to rule over them. That is correct!

>>134189002

"However, to get that far, the process would require the approval of all other EU member countries — and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has stated that he would veto any attempt to sanction Poland."

Basically nothing is happening

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>>134193277
kek, though your heart is breaking

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>>134194946
Hans, sorry, Hassan. Meanwhile in Eurokalifat.

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>>134189002
tl;dr: Poland is becoming either Turkey or Venezuela or Best Korea
Using the 'commie judges' boogeyman and riding the nationalist hype-train, the government methodically gets rid of the separation of powers.

I'm a conservative but I don't trust the ruling party. They are a power-hungry bunch that wants to get complete control of the country. /pol/ is romanticizing fascism but living under a totalitarian system is much different than wehraboos would make you believe.

Also all of it is hilarious because both the ruling party and the opposition are accusing the other side of being commies.
In the long run this country is completely fucked because the entire political scene is corrupt one way or another.

>>134195061
Uma delííícia!!!

>>134192059
Do you really think Macron will go against EU interests? Ive seen him closer to Trump but in another thread an anon said he could be bait sent by Merkel to keep an eye on Trump. I wonder what other country besides poland will follow out of the EU, feels they are the last country with a conservative majority.

>>134194816
The President is allowed to deploy a certain number of troops (marines because they deploy first) before he needs Congress.
Also, the US hasn't declared war since WW2.

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>>134191532
>jews always win kiddos

>>134195061
>The U.S. President only has a right to military action if it's an emergency and Congress can't meet quickly enough. They have been abusing their executive privileges unconstitutionally
This. Both the executive and judicial branches have been overstepping and abusing their power since the 1930s

If only Poland would go full blown national capitalist, they'd be heaven in the middle of a European hellhole.

>>134195255
>/pol/ is romanticizing fascism but living under a totalitarian system is much different than wehraboos would make you believe
How many fascism did you live under to make you such an expert on the topic?

>>134194602
Poland is key part of German economical empire. We were importing all of their good for 25 years, we still do much and large part of german chain of production is in Poland. Without Poland Germany still would be rich but it would lose more than us in hard numbers. Proportionaly, for now, Poland would lose more.

So before PolEnd, we need at least diversify our production and export, more cooperation with USA and/or China.

>>134195359
fascisms*

>>134189002
ACCEPT ALLAHU ACKBAR TERRORISTS IN YOUR COUNTRY OR ELSE REEEEEEE

>>134195196
30 years and we have the Middle East in every direction around us.

>>134194958
>You theoretically can't but they did.That's not having checks and balances.
ah no?

you are missing the point. The powers should be separated to prevent one political party to rule every branch of the government and thus allowing them to oppress the opposition without anyone stopping them.

>>134195361
So more capitalism? Kick the socialists out of your right wing parties and you'll be good.

>>134189554
could you have posted a lower resolution image?
this is rhetorical question

>>134195181
Democracy would be perfect for a pure Aryan society. The problem starts when a hostile tribe of Asiatic bandits subverts everything and grabs power for themselves. That's how we got to Jew World Order. The correct solution is not to end democracy, but to remove the Jew.

>>134194946
Berlin is a rightfull polish clay.

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>>134195345
dont remind me

>>134190625
If I remember correctly, that article 7 is about suspending some rights of EU members, they tried to do the same thing against Austria when Heider and his Freedom Party won the election years ago, but I think that this procedure requires unanimity and Orban already declared that he won't vote against us in any case.

There is no procedure about kicking any country out of the EU, but even if there was something like that, it couldn't be iniciated since we are a large market for European companies, eg. Germany exports to Poland more products than to Russia and Japan combined (54,80 bln eur vs. 21,58+18,35 bln eur respectively in 2016), also German saldo is +8,28 bln eur with Poland, while with those two countries it's -4,87 and -3,60 bln eur respectively), ergo 38 mln Poles import more than almost 300 mln Russians and Japanese, we also import over 2/3 of what Germany sells to over 1,2 bln Chinese: 54,80 vs. 76,11 bln eur, with German saldo -17,65 bln eur with China):
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirtschaft_Deutschlands#Zahlen

France, Netherland, Italy etc. also sell here a lot of products, not even counting their services, banks, insurance or media companies etc.

tl;dr
the EU is too interconnected economically

>>134195345
>((((capitalist))))

>>134195481
No it wouldn't. It will eventually lead to faggots dependent on the state, which leads to your modern day type of thinking. Liberals, produced by democracy, will eventually keep importing shitskin socialists like themselves BECAUSE of democracy.

A strict, constitutional republic, with limited immigration is the way to go.

>>134191611
>implying tactical Merkel is useful

>>134195511
Imagine if that MEP Pewdiepie did a video on became your president?

>>134195572
Lowering taxes and gibsmedat gibsmedat is not jewish, ya nigger.

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>>134195342
Guess which new faces have been arriving in America since the 1930s.

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>>134194139

Need 99%, always be alert.

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>>134195625
>A strict, constitutional republic, with limited immigration is the way to go.
Yer goddamn right

>>134194746
I guess it's "Ultra rare police Pepe".

>>134195255
You are a faggot, not conservative. Conservatives know when it's a time to fall in line and march, not constantly nag and criticise their leaders. That, anarchistic, kind of thinking destroyed First Republic, and Second Republic. Let's not allow that it will destroy Forth.

>>134195793
If only ALL our founding fathers were more adamant about anti-mob rule ans limited immigration.

those two fuck ups led us to where we are today.

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>>134189002
Just some politicians throwing shit at each other second day in a row.

PiS right now is getting rid of anyone associated with Soros institutes from public positions. But they are also creating authoritharian state though. Wonder how it's going to turn out.

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>>134195687
Yes goy- ehm, I mean brave entrepreneur, lower those taxes even further, expecially the ones for corporations. Fuck poor white people, they don't need to breed, we got enough slave- ehm, I mean free labour from Africa and Middle East :^)

>>134195986
Short term effect will be amazing but long term could be disastrous.

You need to get a hold of your shit, before they go too far in the opposite direction.

>>134189002
Article 7 on the european union means to take away a member's voting rights, but in order to do that to poland they need the approval of all the member states, including Hungary. So basically, article 7 is not happening unless Hungary decides that sanctions on Poland are okay, which is extremely unlikely.

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>>134189076
No there aren't

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I feel like the opposition is already preparing for the "muh rigged elections", they'll blame their shit results on supreme court rigging them in favor of PiS, probably declare them void and ask EU/NATO for help.

Also based Jaro went nuclear yesterday on their "traitorous mugs"

>>134190512
You forgot to add that in reality the change gives all the power to an old delusional manlet.

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>>134196068
>most Jews are progressive faggots, who support welfare state
>implying Jews want white nations to be prosperous, independent people
You're a fucking idiot

I for one stand with my Polish brothers and sisters.

>>134194956
think of the damage all those clogged toilets would do

>>134196068
Read an economics book you commie fuck. And you have like 10k juden in your entire country

>>134196074
PiS seems kind of easier to replace than open society institue backed by EU desu... Even with full power.

>>134195456
Nope, free trade let it happen in the first place. Without protectionism polish backward industry was anihilated or buy out by Germans. We hadn't have any capital to compete with them.

That was the EU plan BTW. We abolished tariffs, western private and state corporations do what they want and after some time Western countries compesate that with gibs.

>>134192040
We must take care of our traitors. They get into high ranks

>>134196154
Jews support whatever gives power to them and stops NatSoc from coming into power. Kike rats like Murray Rothbard are not any less disgusting than kikes like Bernie Sanders.

>>134196272
Oh of course, don't take my words as opposition, just more like cautious words of wisdom.

I think what you're doing is great, just keep your eyes on it.

>>134196068
How is that Jewish?
Fucking idiot. Big goverment (i.e. MORE TAXES) is the work of Zion.

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>>134196115
Mfw

(btw, Hungarian vizsla)

>>134192824
UK could have done this but they ran instead of taking over power.

>>134196298
I didn't say free trade, I said national capitalist. As in free trade among your people, with little government expenditure and welfare as possible. I don't mind a but of protectionalism.

>>134196385
>>134196385
>every political structure is ran by jews save my own!

>>134196551
a bit*

>>134192020
Stop calling Ashkenazim Germans, they call themselves that specifically so that we become their scapegoat in translations. It's worked on you before and your whole country got partitioned. Then it worked again and got you sold to Russia by the Brits. Now that they rule us at the point of Yankee guns there is no realistic way to resist this bullshit, but if I end up having to kill Poles who want to kill me for the shit their sacred kikes did then I swear to God I'll lead a jihadi to every last pupil and nun in the East.

>>134196154
>Jews are progressive faggots, who support welfare state
Give me a break, every capitalist ideology or system is riddled with kikes from all walks of life.
>prosperous, independent people
Only socialism and strong national spirit can bring that.

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>>134189002
>>134193398
Good luck Poland!

>>134190784
There is no problem, in the USA the SC judges are nominated by democratically elected presidents then they are untouchable. Here the SC judges elect themselves by a kind of cooptation while the current government wants them to have at least some democratic legitimisation so they would be elected by the minister of justice and then, of course, they would be still untouchable. There is literary nothing wrong with this new proposition, but the EU uses it as a kind of pretext against us.

>>134196594
>ONLY socialism can bring that
>basement dwelling welfare leech detected

Jesus Christ, no wonder Poland is cucked beyond belief, when it comes to their economy.

(((judges))) are cancer.

>>134196718
I should have known not to discuss economics with americans, two hundread years of jewish poison seeping into your brains has done it's work.

>>134194453
Just try in the embassy.

>>134196842
Says the fag who is dependent on (((EU))) shekels.

>>134196551
I agree, that's the road to power. As a for general rule tho, little more or less walfare doesn't matter as long it's relatively small part of GDP/Goverment spending.

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>>134189554

>>134192822
The average age of a judge in Poland is 39.
Our Supreme Manlet just wants to replace Supreme Court with his buddies so no one from the Party will ever have to be judged again.
Half of his party is ex communists btw.

So generally it's a battle of pro EU communists with old pro Pro polish catholic church communists.

Whoever wins, we lose.

>>134196920
t. nigger who got outsourced to Vietnam because (((the profits))) need to get bigger and bigger.

>>134196842
>I should have known not to discuss economics with americans, who live in the wealthiest country in history

Democracy is not strong enough to kill Communism, these changes are necessary. We've got your back Poland.

>>134196718
That's misunderstating. Polish youth is so capitalist oriented, that they seem retared. Because of Korwin-Mikke of course.

>>134197156
>>134197156
>strawmannin this hard
Nah bro, I have a job.

Enjoy getting raped up the ass by the EU because you're all welfare leeches, who can't dare bite the kikes who feed you.

This is why you morons will never win.

So Poland will be invaded again?

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>>134196842
>Socialism is not the work of jews
Karl Marx was a kike, you god damn fucking retard.

>>134189002
> Takes away fundamental human rights, such as the ability to defend one self with weaponry, or a complete freedom of speech
> Complains about other nations infringing on human rights

Can these fuckers get more hypocritical.

>>134190376
this

>>134197297
Trump has their back, next american president will try to destroy Poland tho.
Hillary would have already done it if she won.

>>134197263
>wealthiest country in history
I wonder who holds all that wealth though.

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>>134189002
Left Wing authoritarian party PIS is doing all it can to have all the power in poland. They are fucking everhing up and voting during the night so common people can't see it on tv etc. Right now they are fucking the last bastion that is supreme court granting them 100% power in the country. because when they will lose next elections they will be able to just rule that elections were fake or some shit. They are old commies that are fucking the country beyond repair, creating setbacks for decades to come ...

>>134197468
>next president
Nah Mike Pence has their back.

>>134191651
Kek

>>134197468
Trump is going to be the last President. Democracy is dead. There is nowhere to go after Trump but down, therefore it will not happen.

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>>134191123
Nah, trump is already talking about investing in the east. This is the beginging of great times for Eastern Europe.

>>134195835
You are a faggot because no real man would want to live under a rule of a 70 year old virgin manlet

>>134196594
Socialism is a nest for parasites...

Jews need socialism so they can buy themselves regulations and monopoly
But capitalism empowers everyone that wants to improve, while socialism makes people belive "szlachta nie pracuje"

>>134190454
Notice pentagrams. They are abundant in heraldry of kike states for goyim for some reason.

>>134197473
Our niggers, of separated out and formed their own country, has the 9th largest GDP in the world. That's above Poland.

Our welfare niggers produce more, are more independent, and better off than you. All because you don't want to work and live off of EU gibsmedat.

Jesus Christ that's sad. What a joke.

Stand strong Poland.

Normally I would recommend to get out of EU, but it's obviously best if Poland should stay in EU.
That way you can protect other countries like Hungary, and they can protect you.

>>134197377
There is no welfare in Poland.
You may recive some rice from MOPS if you ask nice enough or something like foodstamps, which not cover foods need for two weeks.

If you work long enough you have unenployment insurance which is ca. 200 $ per month for six months, and significantly less for next six. You can not live with that kind of money.

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>>134192325
Stfu your making us look bad. Damn dude your like the retarded brother I wish I never had

>>134197604
this

>>134197881
>>134197881
>there is no welfare in poland
handing someone food stamps is not the only form of welfare. Any program that redustributes money and wealth, from one place to another, is welfare.

Socialism is the epitome of welfare and obtaining EU money is welfare.

>>134197673
Yes, but who holds all that wealth? You know the answer, you're just too scared to think about it because you might realise then how stupid you sound.
>Our welfare niggers produce more, are more independent
No you don't produce, and no you're not more independent. Your delusions are amusing though, please continue. Explain to me how independent are young americans who finish school already in debt with banks and who go all their lives being tied up to the degenerate financial system that profits a 1% of people while fucking over everybody else.

>>134194816
Well we certainly enter a lot of "conflicts" without consulting congress. I'm theory you are correct, but every president since FDR that used military force did so without declaring war.

I am ready for a new European war. This time, the Krautshits will get rekt.

I will smash German babies on rocks until their skull explodes.

I will rape German women and murder them afterwards.

I will execute German boys and men on site.

I will brutally torture and murder old Germans who were alive during WW2.

This is going to be great.

PiS is not a right wing party. They are socialists backed by church who want centralization of power.

Polish church is worse than communists. All they want is more monies, and to take away your freedom.

>>134197694
Poland might get EU mad enough they overplay themselves. EU needs fundamental structural change, too many literal unelected commie beaurocrat that control EU without any repurcusion.

>>134195359
>>134195403
Sure, give away your rights and personal freedoms for the good of the state.
Give the government complete control over law-making, judgments and enforcement.
I'm sure nothing bad will ever come of it and that the rulers will abstain from abusing their power for the gain of the elite.

>>134195835
And you are a lemming blindly following the power-hungry politicians you idolize.
Just because I'm not eating up everything the government's propaganda tube is shitting out doesn't make me an anarchist or antifa.
It's people like you that are only capable of thinking in extremes that are destroying nations.

For the record: I hate the opposition, I want the EU gone, I'm glad we're not taking in any migrants, I want the V4/Intermarium/TSI to be as strong as possible and I would enroll in the army if necessary to defend my country. Call me a faggot if you want, but it's insane to let the government get complete control over everything without any failsafes - if not the current ruling party will take advantage of it, the future ones will. You got mesmerized by what the politicians promise and are willing to fuck up the future and well-being of your children for what, for your wet fantasies of 'stronk and independent' Poland? Since you obviously know a bit of history look how this mindset always turned out for our nation in the end. B-b-but this time will be different, huh?

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>>134193398
>our entire population near unanimously likes dogs and has the same set of basic values
>but we should just let in this group that hates dogs and has a completely different set of basic values that runs completely antithetic to our own
It amazes me these people can spout this bullshit and actually believe it. It amazes me they haven't been strung up yet. It amazes me society has become nearly completely non-self regulating ie cucked.

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>>134192325
Literally zombie negros.

>>134198189
Bullshit, crazy Catholic socialists are 100x better than cultural marxists.
Polacks don't know what they have.

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>>134198189
This

A lot of retards thing PIS is right wing conservative, but they are not eaven close to that. It's crazy that polist NatSacs are supporting them, it's like thay are brain dead or something.

>>134198145
>just explained that even our niggers, the poorest group in our country, has a shitload of more wealth than Polish socialist
>still spins towards "THE JEWS!!!"

Stay in poverty, dumbass Also, like the leaf said, Marx was a jew, you fucking imbecile.

>>134197881
NFZ is welfare, ZUS is welfare, KRUS is welfare, kuroniówka also, L4... the list goes on and on...

>>134198474
Like always, polak jest zawsze madry po skodzie

>>134192059
Polexit when?

>>134193641
i thought it was a weed native to the americas

>>134197604
kek, he built a loyal party with hard base of voters, in situation where every political oponent and goverment agencies (Szafa Lesiaka, WSI) seek to destroy him. He destroyed them instead.
He had nothing, and 25 years later he controls financial empire without any forgein capital help. Half of the press worships him, and his opponents on the Right are silenced.

W-what a loser, right?

>>134194222
holy fuck that is one rare pepe

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>>134196212
Same. I have no kids or wife and would strongly consider going to Poland to protect white nations and die there. All jews and mudslimes need to die

>>134192269
That was about the Constitutional Tribunal, now it's about the Supreme Court (these are two different institutions here, actually there is another one - the Highest Administrative Tribunal, all three of them do, more or less, the same things as your Supreme Court)

>>134195768
based Bratanki

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>>134198495
You can lead a jackass to water....

>>134198661
>kek, he built a loyal party with hard base of voters

you mean old women, and retarded church goears that think PIS a right wing party coz they have IQ below 90? Yeash what a success to brain wash retarded people that when you take rights away from they they thinks it's great lamao But i guess you are right. Also he does not have a bank account and on paper have no money So this MONEY EMPIRE does not sound too legit

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>>134189002
And Hungary and Czech Republic vetoes it.

>>134196068
>lower those taxes even further, expecially the ones for corporations.

Oh fuck off you god damn know that's bullshit. Huge corporations survive and do well whether the taxes are higher or lower. It's the small business owners and entrepreneurs who get butt fucked by those higher taxes and regulations.

It's basic common sense

>>134198495
Lmao, still hasn't answered my question. The delusions are strong.
>our niggers, the poorest group in our country, has a shitload of more wealth than Polish socialist
Then why do your niggers live in shithole ghettos, why do poor white people in america live in fucking trailer parks, why do you have such high murder rates, drug addiction, prostitution, why is your mass culture so degenerate? What all that wealth has given you, except for the fact that you can brag about it on the internet to some random guy? Not to mention the fact that you are actually bragging about wealth you will never own, because in reality it belongs to banks and corporations, the true masters of USA.

>>134192601
What are you talking about? Our operational units are actually operational. Our air defense is fucked, but we're going to get the latest Patriots real soon. Our reserves are somewhat underwhelming, but we're working on fixing that. Our special forces are actually among the best in the world, and they're pretty fucking huge.

The only major vulnerability of our military is the lack of modern attack helicopters, other than that we've got plenty of decent equipment and well-motivated troops with some recent combat experience. I mean yeah, we could use a heavy tracked IFV, but then again it's not like the Rosomaks can't support our tanks.

The equipment you're probably referring to is either already phased out or will be phased out within the next few years. All the good modern shit is being well maintained - in some cases, the army is actually overdoing it, leading to snarky remarks pertaining to good money being wasted on the part of my friends who serve in the military.

The European Council, acting by unanimity on a proposal by one third of the Member States or by the European Commission and after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine the existence of a serious and persistent breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2 after inviting the Member State in question to submit its observations.

You have to have everyone on the European Council in agreement. V4 will veto the fuck out of it.

>>134198661
He is still 161cm virgin manlet (almost certainly a repressed homo).
In animal kingdom he would be an omega male. He would eat after females and pups.

But in the weird country like Poland religious crazies and people with double digit iq see him as a martyr who's going to make Poland the mightiest country in the world, while in reality he is an old sad catho-commie.

>>134194358
Królewiec (Kroolevietz, oo like in room)


king == Król
so this means "city of king", pretty much

>>134194453
> Poland didn't legally exist when they moved, it was back in the 20's.
it did, since 1918. If I remember well, there is also such case in Polish law - if you have, for example their birth certificate..

>>134190512
Wow really? The Dutch news is telling everyone that the ministers choose the sentices of the judges. And that that undermine the state etc etc. Propaganda at its best

>>134199157
but the jew capitalists oppose the exact system that would tax big business high and small business low

>>134198399
No, I'm a fascist. They are evidently dismanteling liberal democracy, and building better, less liberal state. Sure, I can think of things I don't like in them, but alternative is worse.
Men should follow, and when the direction of their respective organistion cease to apeal to them they should join and take a lead instead.
Everything else is nihilism and escapist bullshit for anime-watching onanist.

>>134199227
That permavirgin frustration is what leads him to be so good at dealing with neo-marxists like you.

>>134189002
article 7 bans an eu member country from having representation in the eu. as poland contributes resources to the eu this is the definition of taxation without representation. poland must leave the eu to preserve its dignity

>>134190908
are you dumb man? in some states your judges are elected

might wanna re think that whole read a book thing, idiot.

>>134199157
> Huge corporations survive and do well whether the taxes are higher or lower
I wonder why they keep lobbying for lower taxes then.

>>134199095
That's why it's necessary for these countries to band together.

It one of them leaves EU, it will hurt the other.

>>134189554
>>134189668

Yes but that is NOT the problem. The problem is that the new judges will be appointed by the ruling party, including judges of the Supreme Court which controls elections. It's pretty much rigging the future elections in progress.

>>134194956
some ones has to do the cleaning. its like how the price of landscaping has gone up since mexicans are afraid to work now.

>>134199202

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wulM9EFAu6k

>>134189649
Skipping western Europe for my Euro trip next summer, would love to be there during a Polexit. Excited to see Hungary, Poland and Russia.

>>134194167
>that one Polish leftard on /pol/

>>134199267
Konigsberg means King's Mountain.
City of king makes it sound so special, when Konigsberg isn't that great.

Donnie "the dumbfuck" jr. had a meeting with a Russian lawyer "with connections to the kremlin" (weasel wording 101) in exchange for damaging information on the Clinton campaign. Normally, this would have been forgotten by the end of the week because nobody gives a fuck about the latest something-trump-Russia-something bombshell story anymore, however tard jr. lied about the meeting and said he received no damaging info. Also as it turns out the meeting was attended by several others including a Russian-American interpreter (the broad doesn't speak English.)
It's important because the Russians are known to have "interfered with our electoral processes" in trumps favor. Despite the fact that former FBI director James Comey testified under oath that the Russians weren't trying to aid either side and were just trying to be a pain in the ass. It matter not though, because it's a universally accepted fact that the Russians tried to get Trump elected. Also considering how democrats and their startlingly deep media connections chose the Russia-treason angle immediately after clintons defeat. I'd say the whole situation is just one big clusterfuck.

>>134191267
>having non elected communist ppl as high rank judge is democratic

fuck off faggot

>>134199590
I've seen it. Achieving a stalemate against a richer, more populous nation ain't bad, don't you think? And like I've said, most of our weaknesses are going to disappear within the next few years.

>>134195768
wow lad, that's some pretty sick stats. Any source?

>>134199635
>Russia
Go to czechia, Slovakia instead.

Here is whats going on:

Poland wants to make judiciary dependent on the executive (Parliament, where the governing Party has absolute majority)

Eu is against it, bc thats against the treaties and values of the Union (also Maybe against the pol constitution)

Thats all there is

>>134199521
poland must leave the eu, article 7 is taxation without representation. America will remain an ally with poland as the preservation of dignity through civil liberties, including representation in gov't, is fundamental to american values

>>134199875
oh fuck I misread the tweet

>>134199969
That's a bit too naive.

America is a bipolar person who can cange personality every 4 years. It's not a good basis of partnership.
Just ask Saddam Hussein.

>>134195481
This meme needs to stop. Democracy is NOT mathematically consistent. It's a primitive ideology for barbarians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem

>>134197881
No, I can't agree. There is one form of welfare that is particularly susceptible to abuse - 500+. For those who don't know what it means in Poland you will get every month 500 PLN (120€ ) if you have at least 2 children.

>>134200117
Now that you mention it.
You're right.
America can literally do a full 360 degree turn every 4 years.
Doubleplus ungood.

>>134191682
that speech is the same kerry did
all globalism pawns get the same memos

>>134200184
It should only apply to white people.