>facts don't care about your feelings >believes in god

I just believe the opposite of whoever I'm talking to

>>134174836
This, truly patrician

>this will have max replies
boy i sure am glad reddit is here now

>>134174836
/thread

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>>134174836
Devilish

>>134174771
what fact do you have that there is no god? i asume that is what you are implying, yes?

>>134175129
Free will can't exist, therefore just divine retribution can't exist, therefore a just God can't exist, therefore your Abrahamic God or whatever doesn't exist.
There is a God, though; it is all things. Everything is perfect, exactly as it should be, and can be no other way.

>>134175428
it may be the painkillers, but did you just say there is no god but there is god?

>>134174771

That's different and you know it.

>>134175557
There is a God, but it's not like your conception of God. There's no magical old man in the sky who wants to be worshipped and will force you into eternal suffering if you don't pray to him or get circumsised.

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>>134174836
u cheeky cunt m8

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>>134174866
>newdditor don't know how IDs work

>>134176534
he's just agreeing with himself

>>134175129
God made scientific statements that are demonstrably false.
There is no reason to believe in God.
Evolution and modern science ended the necessity for god

>>134174771
>Keeps his beliefs separate from his rationale for (most) decisions.

I see no problem here

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>>134176606
samefag

>>134174771
His discussion on atheism with Denis Prager was absolutely embarrassing. All Cenk has to do to beat him the debate is point out that Ben's entire worldview is based on fairy tale bullshit.

>>134174771

Facts don'r care about your feelings... Unless it's about jews, antisemitism or the holocaust. everything is a another shoah everything is antisemetic and you have to point it all out.

>>134175129
Nothing supernatural ever occured, to me, you or anyone on this board.
It's all faggot LARPing.

>>134175129
What fact do you have that there is a God?

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>>134176534
kek

>>134176623
Bullshit. Almost all his positions are based on his religious beliefs. He even said that if you were to dig deeper into his convictions at some point he would have to say it's because god.
His rationale on free will, abortion, criminal justice is all based around metaphysical beliefs of some sort which he attributes to god. He's just good at wording things in a way that makes them sound like secular arguments.

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I believe in Allah and his prophet Mohammed (Pace be upon his name).

>>134177132
Alright yeah I see your point with it, but he does have reasons and therefore arguments that could be seen as secular. Like if a secular and non-secular line of reasoning come to the same conclusion then I don't really have a problem with it, you feel?

Like as long as he provides a decent justification and it isn't just "bc the Torah said so".

>>134174771

>facts are the same as belief

Do you even philosophy, son?

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>facts don't care about your feelings
>believes in the holocaust

>>134177555
Nice proxy Chenk

>>134174771

>OP believes believes the world around him is objectively real even though no facts prove it

>>134174836

How humiliating was it to realize how ID's work and that we all are laughing at you?

Reddit sure was easier wasn't it?

>>134177313
>bc the Torah said so
But that's what it all ultimately boils down to. In his ideal world I imagine he'd be free to follow rabbinic law to the text.

>>134178369
Nice spacing, friend

>>134179009
Holy shit, you btfo him

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>>134174771
top kek, OP

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>>134179009
Damn dude, that guy cucked you. You should just stop

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>>134179046
It doesn't work like that.
We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you.

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>>134174771
God is real, marxist shills. Deal with it.

>>134179181
No buddy, I'm laughing at you

>>134179181
Damn dude, how will you recover?

>>134179358
How do you know that?

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>>134179103
Please say this is bait, you can't be this retarded.

>>134174836
[wants to impress you]
I'm also jewish

>>134174771
Atheism is retarded and incoherent.

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>>134179103

Babbys first samefag

>>134180385
How can a lack of belief be incoherent? Is my lack of belief in astrology incoherent?

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>>134180385
>I don't believe in magic

>Incoherent and retarded

Really activates those little grey cells of mine

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>>134180906
He's albanian. Be amazed that he can read and write

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>>134181033
What would really amaze me is if he paid for whatever device he's using.

Alas, we can safely assume that our Albanian friend simply stole it.

>>134181205
Fucking dumbass racist. Leave this thread

>>134181433
Fucking dumbass reddit samefagger. Learn your place and remember where you are.

>>134174771
Ask Ben if he believes in everything the Talmud teaches.

>>134181433
Shut up kike.

>>134174771
>facts don't care about your feelings
>"because it has everything to do with culture and nothing to do with race"

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>>134174771

the problem with atheism is that it fails to answer perhaps the most important question of our existence - why we are conscious/ why can we experience? you have atoms that bond with other atoms to make molecules, molecules that bond with other molecules to form cells, etc., that eventually evolves further and leads to us. all we as humans are is one step in this evolutionary chain, so the question remains, why are we conscious? why does life exist? why does the universe exist? I'm not a christian or a religious person, but I'm tired of le edgy atheists thinking they can discredit all forms of spirituality with their simplistic "hur dur there's no evidence than god exists" argument. using the same logic you could say that consciousness doesn't exist. does that mean it doesn't? these questions are basically unanswerable, yet atheists think they have all the answers because muh scientific method.

>>134179358
God is real. Jesus is a lie.
Fuck middle eastern religions.

>>134181551
Fucking stay in your lane small baller. "What fact do you have that there is a God?" Are you fucking kidding me? What an unoriginal thought. Why don't lurk for a while and figure out what you're doing?

>>134181737
Can you elaborate unlike the rest of the God claims in this thread?

>>134181679
>hur dur there's no evidence than god exists" argument. using the same logic you could say that consciousness doesn't exist
No. That's not a logical conclusion.
Consciousness exists.

>these questions are basically unanswerable
Jesus did you migrate from America?

>>134181814
I don't have enough time to prove God to you. But modern religions are a joke and outlived their uselfulness 400 years ago.

>>134181803
Newfag, im actually here for discussion. Not being a samefagging redditor. Go back there, we dont want you regressive shitposters here.

>>134181679
>yet atheists think they have all the answers because muh scientific method.
No, that is not what atheists think. We accept that fact that we don't know or understand many things. Better than being a christcuck who simply says "god did it" whenever they don't understand something.

>>134174771
shapiro btfo

>>134181951
Fair. Im not saying god doesnt exist but determining things exist based on its usefulness is odd.

>>134181907

ill rephrase that: there's no evidence that consciousness exists outside of yourself.

>>134182118
Sure there is, like talking with other people in society. Just like the discussion we are having now, unless you want to say this isnt happening. We act upon reality for reasons.

>>134182118
>there's no evidence that consciousness exists outside of yourself
Yes there is. Me being able to talk to you is evidence that you're conscious albeit easily impressable and not highly critical

>>134182118
>what is Ockham's razor

What requires the smaller assumptions? We are all conscious and experiencing the same reality OR only you exist the rest of the world is fake

>>134182303
You could be dreaming all of this

>>134182278

you're missing the point. you cannot prove consciousness exists outside of yourself. you assume others are conscious because you are, but how can you know for sure? how can you prove it?

>>134182464
Literally same answer i previously provided. If you are willing to claim we arent then youd have to provide evidence to support your claim.

>>134182448
That would still prove my consciousness exists.
And given the mind brain connection I would have to live in a world pretty similar to this to dream this.
What the fuck are you even on about?
Didn't you say you agree just one post before?

>>134181803
what if there was a god, or pantheon of gods, but not the one you worship?

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>>134182867
That would prove your consciousness exist, not anyone else.

And yeah i do agree that the most likely scenario is that we all experience consciousness, but having pseudointellectual useless discussions is what it's all about innit?

>>134183181
>that would prove my consciousness exists
>there's no evidence that consciousness exists outside of yourself
Are you just being contrarian for the sake of it? My consciousness existing is already evidence that consciousness exists, the fact that I'm able to interact with seemingly conscious people is evidence consciousness exists, I have no reason to doubt consciousness exists, everything we know about the universe points to consciousness existing and requiring a brain set in a material world like ours.

Hyperscepticism doesn't work like that. Everything points to consciousness and the material world being correct. YOU introduce the new idea so you have to provide evidence for it.
Also saying there is no evidence if you don't accept the evidence as sufficient is still a lie.

>>134176703
Wait I though democrats love fairies and thier tails

>>134181951
Yes we must go back to glorious Communism reject all religion live in workers paradise

another question atheistfags can't answer: where does consciousness come from? at what point in our evolution did consciousness pop into existence? the brain? well the brain evolved gradually. the cell? also evolved gradually. the only logical conclusion is that everything is conscious to some degree. all matter and energy, the universe as a whole and all it's parts exhibit consciousness.

>>134174771
I'm not religious but atheists tend to be insufferable. Especially the ones that simply replace religion with pop science. They aren't demonstrating the ability to think and reason. They simply changed religions.

>>134184086
>the brain evolved gradually
>the only logical conclusion is that everything is conscious to some degree. all matter and energy
Stop using the word logical conclusion you literal retard.

>>134184405

you didn't answer the question.

>>134174771
prove God doesn't exist

>>134174771

>there's no evidence that consciousness exists outside of yourself

"Outside of yourself" is the important phrase here.

>My consciousness existing is already evidence that consciousness exists,

It's evidence that you are conscious, but only you can part take of the evidence.

>the fact that I'm able to interact with seemingly conscious people is evidence consciousness exists

Yes it's evidence that there is such a thing as consciousness BUT not that anyone but you are experiencing it.

>I have no reason to doubt consciousness exists, everything we know about the universe points to consciousness existing

Uhm... No?

>Hyperscepticism doesn't work like that. Everything points to consciousness and the material world being correct.

No, prove to me that this experience is real. You, my friend, are making the claim that this is "real" and doing so with no evidence.

>You introduce the new idea so you have to provide evidence for it.

Nope, I'm saying "it could be real, and it could all be an illusion". I'm not asserting anything, that would be what you are doing.

>Also saying there is no evidence if you don't accept the evidence as sufficient is still a lie.

" i have evidence you killed that man!"

"Oh yeah, what evidence?"

".... Well it makes sense dunnit?"

>>134184583
>where does consciousness come from? at what point in our evolution did consciousness pop into existence? the brain? well the brain evolved gradually
No but you did. You just don't like your answer

>>134183791
Bugger i posted my first reply to OP

>there's no evidence that consciousness exists outside of yourself

"Outside of yourself" is the important phrase here.

>My consciousness existing is already evidence that consciousness exists,

It's evidence that you are conscious, but only you can part take of the evidence.

>the fact that I'm able to interact with seemingly conscious people is evidence consciousness exists

Yes it's evidence that there is such a thing as consciousness BUT not that anyone but you are experiencing it.

>I have no reason to doubt consciousness exists, everything we know about the universe points to consciousness existing

Uhm... No?

>Hyperscepticism doesn't work like that. Everything points to consciousness and the material world being correct.

No, prove to me that this experience is real. You, my friend, are making the claim that this is "real" and doing so with no evidence.

>You introduce the new idea so you have to provide evidence for it.

Nope, I'm saying "it could be real, and it could all be an illusion". I'm not asserting anything, that would be what you are doing.

>Also saying there is no evidence if you don't accept the evidence as sufficient is still a lie.

" i have evidence you killed that man!"

"Oh yeah, what evidence?"

".... Well it makes sense dunnit?"

>>134180385
>albanian intellectuals

>>134184751

at what stage of the brain's evolution did consciousness come into existence then? you're still not answering the question.

>>134174836
that's how 4chen works

>>134184938
Yes I did. Gradually. Fuck why is thread full of literal retards.
Science not being 100% sure at what point consciousness came existance doesn't mean everything is conscious to some degree or that you can conclude consciousness doesn't exist.

This is getting retarded. Everybody just taking another step back to seem sophisticated.
Let's wrap it up:
You believe in consciousness
You are fully aware science can explain consciousness and estimate when and how it came into existance
You used this stupid example because it's the only one you got
You now a material universe can explain everything consistenly to the point where things we can't explain yet seem answerable in the future
You have no arguments for the necessity of god
You believe in science
You don't believe in god
You want to believe in god

To the swede: Pretending to be retarded doesn't make you win the argument

>>134183857
har har

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>>134174771
He's a Jew. They think they are "God" themselves.

>>134185541
>gradually

so at what point did it start? i believe that everything is conscious to some degree, you disagree. so where is the threshold?

>>134185869
At what point in do you actually give any reasoning for the existent of (your preferred) god?

>>134186355

who said i believed in god

>>134174771
Yes, God exists and that is a fact. Facts don't care about your angry atheist feelings.

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I believe in God but I hate life so much that I honestly wouldn't give a rats ass if there wasn't an afterlife.

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>>134174771
These two sentences aren't mutually exclusive you fucking moron

>>134176623
Correct

>>134174836
It's the only way to troll.

>>134181679
>the problem with atheism is that it fails to answer... blah blah blah

The thing about atheism is it doesn't claim to have an answer about ANYTHING until it has data and evidence about it. If making up bullshit out of thin air qualifies as an 'answer' to you, you are easily manipulated and controlled. Why do theists always understand less about atheism than atheists understand about theism?

>>134181679
yes a gay magic wizard gave you conscious so you could post about burning Jews in ovens even though they came up with the god you believe in now

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>>134174771
He never stated that god's existence is a fact, only that he believes it to be true. If you can't understand the difference then you are possibly retarded and should see a specialist.

>>134187495

not even religious. stop assuming things you dumb nig

>>134188729
I read your whole post you stupid nigger, I'm generalizing

>>134188801

stop generalizing things you dumb nig

>>134187867
Im curious. What exactly do you think is the difference between those two?

>>134188939
I believe there is a planet the size of King kai's somewhere out there in the universe with an atmosphere (albiet a very small one)
>As to whether it actually exists is a completely different story. That's the difference.

I believe science has a word for educated guesses they're called "hypothesis" The word for a series of hypothesis and facts intertangling is in fact a "theory" So allow me to throw a theory at you.

>Does the Bacteria know man as god?
>Up until recently man could never travel the full bounds of the earth it stayed in Eurasia
>Now expand outward
>Past the Solar System
>Past the Galaxy
>Past the Universe
>Past the omniverse.
>Now, picture a being of enlightenment so magnificent, and perfect
>He's holding a sign
>it says you're a faggot
>Such irreproachable wisdom.

>>134176669
Poorfag

>>134189436
Either you believe such a planet exists or you do not. If you believe it, yet also believe it may not exist then you have contradictory beliefs. If you believe it is not a fact it exists then you believe it may not exist. You suffer from severe confusion about terminology yet think it appropriate to lecture others.

He is the Asperger hero that /pol/ needs!

>>134190128
I believe it exists until proven otherwise.

is that contradictory? Just so happens the only way to prove god's existence is to die.

>>134190645
God is dead. Form your own will. Stop listening to some fucking loon you will never meet when you're still conscious.

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sad

>>134190128
Its about objectivity vs subjectivity. A fact can be objectively examined by independent observers and they will come to the same conclusion. A belief is subjective. He has stated that he 100% believes that god exists, but he understands this is a subjective position and therefore doesn't expect everyone else to observe the same "truth". You are acting as if he said "god is real and you can't prove otherwise", which he has not said.

>>134190645
I don't give a shit about god, im only here to debate semantics

>>134190866
That is not how the word fact is commonly used. A fact, by common definition is just a part of reality and a philosophically spurious concept. A somewhat tongue in cheek definition of it that is well known in philosophy is "a sentence shaped part of reality". Most people simply use it to denote beliefs that they are especially certain of. Hence, if your argument relies on the distinction between your beliefs and what you believe to be facts, its probably not a good argument.

>>134193080
>Hence, if your argument relies on the distinction between your beliefs and what you believe to be facts, its probably not a good argument.

Exactly why theres people who dont believe in God.

>intelligent jew hated by a bunch of people who adore national socialism and are too stupid to realise it's socialism

wew

>>134174771
personal feelings and beliefs are fine, just dont shove them down other people's throats you scum

>>134174771
Yeah but God is a fact, and it doesn't matter how you feel about it - He is still there and you're still going to be held accountable for everything you've said, done and fapped to.