ESCALATING: Ukrainian separatists declare a new state

That's what happens when George Soros and Hillary Clinton arrange a coup of a democratically elected political system. Ukraine got Soros, lost its identity. Serves them right.

Some more links; looks like Western media is starting to pick it up:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/07/19/ukrainian-separatists-claim-to-have-created-a-new-country-malorossiya-or-little-russia/?utm_term=.28870a288fa3

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/ukraine-separatists-declare-state/2017/07/18/id/802290/

>>134172612
Not saying anything on the Soros aspect, which may be correct, but in general this whole Ukrainian situation is like standard operating procedure for Russia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_invasion_of_Georgia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Democratic_Republic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saur_Revolution

>>134172687
Alternatively

>https://washingtonpost com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/07/19/ukrainian-separatists-claim-to-have-created-a-new-country-malorossiya-or-little-russia/?utm_term=.28870a288fa3
https://archive.is/XoNBr

>>134173812
Thanks based Norwegian archive bot!

I promise to stop self-bumping after this.

>>134173812
>.is
nice israeli honeypot you posted there

Fuck off

>>134174208
dont click on the .is links, its israeli websites to collect your ip

Nobody cares about your faggot thread, stop shilling it everywhere

>>134175489
>nobody cares about Political threads
this is the state of /nu/-pol

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>>134172134
>Malorossiya
Don't tell me it means "Bad Russia".

>>134175660
malo = little/small

>>134175046
.is is iceland you dumb cunt.

>>134175751
fuck off bogan

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>>134172134
Nothing will come out of this. Some retards here will talk about some based russians bullshit but don't understand how the do does. The area is unsustainable. The mines don't work because water needs to be pumped their and you need electricity which they don't have. Also all the people left and only old pensioners remain. No one supported that retarded thing in the first place. Putin and his vacationers ruined 2 perfectly normal cities.

>>134175744
Isn't that what Ukraine means

>>134175786
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.is
Read the references Dumbass it is Iceland

>>134175603
>>134175744
>>134175786
t. le edgy summerfag

>>134175937
Nah putin just failed to save the east regions before hohols started shelling them.
He succeeded in saving crimea (prohint: its peaceful there)
his only error was not to send in the russian army to donbass right after maidan

>>134176003
Thanks for the bumb. Now go back to your e-celeb xDD thread
Adulds talking here about geopolitics. Not for you.

>>134175963
Donbass is in eastern ukraine, you fookin bogan cunt xD

>>134175960
Ukraine doesnt even exist in the first place

Political bumpage
>also a reminder that using meme flags is a subversive and fag-like thing to do

>>134175960
AFAIK "u krajna" = "border land"

That's what's it's role has been through the centuries: a buffer zone to burn&pillage through when invading or retreating. Not an enviable position to be in.

>>134176068
I am talking about >>134175046
Which is what >>134175751
is also talking about.
We are not talking about Ukraine you stupid EuroFag

>>134176291
And this is a ukraine thread, fuck off bogan cunt

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>>134176007
>t. Bezmenov brand useful idiot
Putin doesn't give a shit about the region. He just wants another frozen conflict to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO or the EU

>>134176318
>hurr durr i was only pretending
inb4 damage control

>>134176318
NO, I will do whatever I want.
Australia is not in the EU so we are not forced to do what other countries tell us to do.
Enjoy your Nazi2.0 lands

>>134175960
ukraine literaly means "border"

>>134175046
Kek. Wew lad

>>134176518
Exactly. Ukraine means "the boderland"
bonuspoints if you call it "the ukraine" to trigger hohols

>>134172134

>people who don't have the means to control Ukraine want to control Ukraine

Not exactly newsworthy.

>>134176642
Novorussians forces are on moscows leash
If they wouldnt be, they wouldd march right into kiev without problems

>>134176732

Then it would be Russia, not Malorussia.

>>134176732
Just a question: why aren't you using your own flag? We can clearly see your position on this, so why not come out properly?

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Russia is training and arming European ANTIFA!

Even a nigger ANTIFA from Spain is fighting for the Russian side in Occupied Ukraine.

https://life.ru/t/нoвocти/142853

http://rusvesna.su/news/1415184899

Archived:

https://archive.is/3alFs

https://archive.is/f9f8R

Fuck off Malorussia.
Western Ukraine is to be carved up between Hungary & Poland.

>>134175937
you right except there is electricity - mines just not profitable

>>134176993
I just chose some random flag, don't care desu

>>134176003
>id:FeG
>1 post
Die in a cave shitskin.

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>>134176732
>Novorussians forces are on moscows leash
>If they wouldnt be, they wouldd march right into kiev without problems

They have the full backing off Russia yet they have slightly higher fatalities.

Putinboos get out!

>>134175046
Why are you shitposting so hard in so many threads may i ask?
It's amusing to watch considering they're all falling for it.
Keep up the good work.

>>134173812
P
B
U
H

>>134177174
I'm trying to clean up /pol/ from all the horrible e-celeb and reddit fags
this place needs to become like it was in 2014 during the ukraine happening

>>134175937
I would really like the elevator urinators to stop, though.

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>>134172134
It has always been clear that the rebels intended to liberate cities such as Kharkov and Kiev. The Malorossiya confederation project is certainly interesting, but I don't know if such a project could be feasible if the Novorossiya confederation which was considerably smaller could not be held together.

good luck to presidents Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky regardless. their cause is genuinely righteous.

>>134177157
I don't recall any battle where their causalities where that significant
Also
What is the dobeltvso cauldron

>>134175937
>Lugansk
>Donetsk
>2 perfectly normal cities
Yeah, right.

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their new flag

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>another landlocked country
Should landlocked countries even be allowed to exist in the first place?

>>134177656
wtf I love Islam now

>>134177737
are you retarded? At least half of the oblast that would be included in this country are coastal.

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>>134172612

Russia didn't fund the Euromaidan.

Russia didn't convince the college liberals to riot because Yukanovich turned down the EU.

Russia didn't tell The new Ukrop got to indiscriminately shell and population centers in the Donbass region.

Legacy media has lied about this war since day fucking -10

Russia didn't encourage banderas Ukrainians and Right Sector to burn People Alive.

Pic related, Ukraine's Azov battalion.

>>134177977
>not supporting the nazis on our side
What fucking board do you think this is

>>134177444
>righteous

Come on now. At least tone it down a bit. Realpolitik is all fine and good, but no need to do that vk rhetoric here. We have seen this shit too many times already.

>>134178360
not an argument.

>>134177977
Finally, /ourguys/

Who cares ?

Donbass is a shithole. They could have called it "Russia n°2", would not make any difference.

They even do not have a port, lol.

>>134177977
Russia did have a russian puppet in Ukraine

Russia did fund the rebels in Ukraine and send troops into it

Russia didn't do anything to stop the rebels from shelling with guns inside residential areas

Nothing wrong with nationalism

>>134178176
>not realizing that the only real difference between DPR and Azov is their choice of aesthetics

>>134178421
Donbass is the industrial part of ukraine where the wealth came from before the war started

if they rebuild it, it can be valuable

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>>134173812

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>>134178421
they do have sea access. furthermore, it's not shithole, at least compared to rest of Ukraine. Donetsk, Kharkov, and Crimea were only financially solvent regions of pre-war Ukraine.

>>134178463
there is not an evidence for any of these claims.

>>134178176
>>134177977
These "nazis" and "/ourguys/" are controlled by (((them))), to make ukraine into an EU state and to get cultural enriched afterwards. (((They))) only want to turn ukraine into a foothold of degeneracy and globalism, to slowly corrupt the slavic lands.

>>134178527
But can they repopulate it. No one is left there. Industry can and has been moved. The only thing going for it are the mines but they will never be run again.

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>>134178736

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>>134178840
>>134178736

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>>134178866
>>134178840
>>134178736

>>134178773
this is wildly incorrect. new factories are opened all the time and the mines are also operating at peak efficiency. you can see all this on youtube. Ukrainian army shells the city daily but that doesn't mean people suddenly stop going to work.

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>>134178736
>>134178840
>>134178866
>>134178899

>>134178899
>>134178866
nice bellingcat-low-tier ((evidence))
whats next? shopped smoke trail pics?

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>>134178736
>>134178840
>>134178866
>>134178899
>>134178931

>>134178527
Not really anymore. Much of the donbass' value was in the fact that most of the Ukrainian side of Russian arms production was sited there; foundries for forging the specific rolled homogenised armour used in their tanks and the recent Armata, tank engines, jet engines and turbines, arms refurbishment tools and facilities etc.
Most of that was packed up and shipped over the border a long time ago, so its sort of a moot point.

An industrial revival could happen anywhere in the country, but corruption is too ingrained in the national culture, all over.

Ukranians already killed most hungarian men living there, so I don't give a shit anymore

Hope they all die

>>134175960
Ukraine = Borderlands

This name was created centuries ago. Ukraine was the buffer between Poland-Lithuania and Tsardom of Russia

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>>134178944
This >>134178866 is a picture of a tunguska from the 20th independent moter rifle division

>>134178463

Well, yes. Like I said, standard operating procedure, see:

>>134173785

It's what various flavors of Russia has been doing for nearly a century now.

1. Invade and conquer a city on day d
2. Organize a "spontaneous" rebellion
3. "Rebels" ask for help from Russia, dated on day d-1
4. Russia sends "help" to the "Rebel government"

>>134179058
200th*

>>134172134
This entire thing is a fucking joke. Although some fucked in a head larpers from Russia still go die there, and Ukrainian (((government))) wants this war to continue because they sent there nationalist they jewed to die.

>>134172134
It is fun, also it triggered a lot of people

Everybody knows that curren ukrainian statehood will be changed very soon.

>>134179058
well I don't get it
we know russia shipped them with some old tanks and weapons
its a proxy war

what are you trying to say?
That regular Rusarmy troops were there? No they weren't

>>134179164
>Everybody knows that curren ukrainian statehood will be changed very soon.
elaborate
whats happening in kiev?

>>134178983
also inb4 NO RUSSIANS DIDN'T TAKE THE INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT PROOF PLS

Think of this
Why would a modern state that is not involved or interested in being an open supporter of separatists want to keep vital pieces of their arms industry in unpredictable hands?
I'd put Russian "volunteers" in trucks with enough tool boxes to dismantle the golden gate bridge, if I were Putin.

So what? Another south Ossetia

It's a region full of drunk factory workers.

>>134179198
Yes, that is equipment from the 200th motor rifle division. Not old surplus. http://sled-vzayt.livejournal.com/4458.html

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>>134179241
>whats happening in kiev?

>>134179198
>No they weren't
You have to be either a troll or ignorant.
There is strong and decisive evidence of that.

>>134179241
1)debts
2)trade balance deficit
3)reduction of profits, nobody invests etc
4)collapse of real estate market
5)high inflation, high taxes
6)hordes of stupid people that cant understand how capitalism works
7)mass emigration of youth and drop of fertility rate
8)JEWS and their pig-goys

people are just finishing unfinished business before collapse

>>134179198
What is this? >>134179058

>>134179444
aint clicking on that link nigga

>>134179525
What are you doing in Norway, Bellincat?

>>134177014
There are a few interviews of them, they were like 5-10 fags in ukraine. Others went to Rojava in Syria with the kurds.
Here the commies have this romantic idea of helping in foreign wars, like in our civil war a lot of foreigners did here.
In Syria there are a few spanish ultra-nationalist catholic right wing death squads, former soldiers most of them. The most famous is know as Simon de Montfort (funny if you know something about France in the middle ages).

>>134178360
Shut up you stupid mobgoloid chink. /pol/ was all for Donbass rebels in 2015 because porky porishenko & his cabinet are all kikes that just want to harvest Ukraines resources while leaving the people in austerity.

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>>134179198
>No they weren't
>Putin admits they were

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>>134179613
No idea

>>134179749
proofs ivan

>>134172134
Can't blame em. Poroshenko doesn't want to follow Minsk agreements. Im pretty sure he just waiting until Trump is impeached or the new democratic shill is elected so he can get more weapons and mercs to kill all separatists. If they want to survive, they need to do something while Trump is still POTUS.

>>134178899
>ethnic tatars dont exist in ukraine

Holy shit. What an inbred burgertard.

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Howdy Amerikan puppets;

>US promotes radical extremism check
>US turns on EU allies check
>UK leaves EU check
>Ukraine annexed check
>Rise of right-wing nationalism check
>Anti-Americanism check

your fortune:
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=EC606906EFB2A0D363C508B8ADB60CAC
your new home:
http://www.radixjournal.com/

>>134178736
Since when they control Mariupol ?

Port : access to the sea.
Beaches : even Congo has plenty of them.

>>134179719
/pol is not a single entity. And I won't disagree about globalist backing behind Maidanists or Poroshenko being scum. What I'm saying is that there are no good guys in this conflict. None worth cheerleading for here in /pol.

>>134179614
Live journal is a popular virus free site. Unless of course you won't click on it because it's the proofs you've been waiting for.
>>134179719
Lel no. There was memeing but only /sg/ retards made it seem like all of pol supported it. It was like 60-40 Rebels-UAF.
>>134179967
0.5% of the population and mostly in Crimea. Also those are obviously Mongolians not tartars.

>>134180077
you can see towns in the rebel controlled coast in the map that I posted, mate.

>>134179967
That's not tatars, thats mongols from Tuva or Sakha.
Mercenaries from PMCs or some shit.

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>>134180051

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>>134179890
Well, let me help you.

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>>134180224

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>>134180287

>>134176732
>If they wouldnt be, they wouldd march right into kiev without problems

Kek. Rebels would have lasted maybe month or so without Russian support.

>>134180224
>every claim has the same (((source)))
meh

>>134172134
"""""""""""""Separatists"""""""""""""

>>134177014
Russia has no 'ideology', right or left or any. However, old KGB rats are very good at taming western useful idiots.

>>134180354
source
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=EC606906EFB2A0D363C508B8ADB60CAC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

I don't think rebels there are angels but it's absolutely mind-boggling someone even attempts to shill for present-day Ukraine.
They are literally Africans of Europe, lately they banned Russian cartoons, imagine how fucking insane those people are. It's like a nation of schizophrenics. Everything you can dislike about Russians is amplified in Ukrainians.

>>134180287
>>134180308
good plans desu

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>>134180487
>every persons opinion is represented by retarded politicians taking advantage of nationalism
Fucking nigger mountain I always find you on this thread.

>>134180561
those plans are already implemented

>>134180224
Dugin must be gassed for promoting internationalism and mongrelization with asians. But still he's doing God's work by contributing into collapse of JewSA and kike globalism even through he dont seem to understand JQ himself.

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>>134180431
His own book is a source of the fact that his book has "large influence in military, police and foreign policy elites" or that its used as a textbook?
That some fucking burger logic.

>>134180308
That guy sounds like a loony, but I'm still going to hunt down that book and read it. Sounds interesting.

>>134180169
Novoazovsk is nowhere near a port.

Sorry, Donbass is just a joke of "state". It can't even get supply directly.

>>134180601
Did I ever say EVERY Ukrainian is like that you fucking moron?
But we are talking about groups and it's clear shitload of them are like this.

>>134180601
have you ever met them IRL? I have
damnn nigga, they are the most shizos i've ever seen

>>134180760
idk man, i only pick shit over the net and place it in this cesspit. you decide.
>>134180790
i posted the link, there's nothing to "hunt down"

>>134180806
The definition of port is "town with a harbour".

>>134180872
Ah yes, didn't notice that; thanks.

>>134180872
is dugin some sort of intellectual mastermind behind putin? Because if yes, hes doing gods work

Gas the Finns.

>>134179582
>yfw the next global economic crisis starts in Ukraine

>>134181015
maybe. he looks a bit fucked up in the head to me desu senpai. but who knows. putin's rasputin lol

>>134181015
Putin's mastermind is nothing but his and his kike oligarch friends' wallets. But Dugin is responsible for many of those poor indoctrinated larpers who went to Donbass to die for fuck knows what.

>>134179909

>Trump impeached

Kys vodkanigger

Finn flag posters are NATO propaganda homos. Look at these Finnish faggots running this dog and pony show.

Fuck you Finn. Kys

>>134179890
rundown:
>several times in a row Putin says there is no russian troops in Donbass
>"It's all locals"
>Suddenly cpt. Erofeev and sgt. Alexandrov are caught by hohols
>"They've resigned a week before" says nervous Defense Ministry staffer 154th time that month
>Erofeev says his mission was to observe situation in Donbass
>Alexandrov outright admits he is a military officer acting on order
>Putin holds press-conference
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfPRlqMkQmc
>asked about these guys
>says "On exchange of prisoners: we've never said that there are no men in Donbass who solve certain issues, including military ones. But that doesn't mean that regular russian troops are there. Feel the difference."
>implying there is

man why the fuck is russia not rolling in armored regiments over there? why are they not claiming that shit? why arent russian ground forces expelling civilian population to the west, and populating the place with ethnic russians????

moscow-st.petes region is 99.999% of russian industrial capacity, population, military, and european part of the whole country
its protected by nothing, no serious woods, no mountains, no rivers, no lakes, N O T H I N G
if NATO wanted to move in and launch a siege of all Russia, they could, and they would only have mud and bad weather as obstacles, no mountains or anything in their way, piss easy to invade

Russians must seize all the buffer zones till Romania or NATO will go from Atlantic to the Urals which is like a total absolute irreversible checkmate and Russia as a political entity will cease to exist

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move to germany retards.. durrr.
even niggers can figure this out

>>134181284
thanks for the rundown

he is basically saying that russians went there as mercenaries or something

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>>134181298
this

who does still work in such places when you can get free gibbs in germoney

>>134181295
this
wtf is russia waiting?

>>134181295
>why arent russian ground forces expelling civilian population to the west, and populating the place with ethnic russians?
Putin's government does all they can to deny any living space and birthrate growth to ethnic Russians.

>>134181295
They know it's coming back to them in time and they don't want to fuck up the infrastructure. The place is bad enough as is.

Lvov will probably go back to Poland.

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>>134180858
Yes they are just like every other slav but they hate Putin more.
>damnn nigga, they are the most shizos i've ever seen
>damnn nigga
Take of your flag vatnik

>>134181284
There is. US/Israel and tons of other governments have "military advisers" in every hot spot on the planet, including Syrian "rebels" for example. Its doesn't violate international law.

>>134181095
rather next war, ukraine is irrelevant in economic scale

ukraine simply showed how pathetic is european colonial expansion.

IMF loans will not be returned etc. there is no collateral etc. there is no people to pay etc.

so you can sit, watch and laughs how it will burn. but you need to secure yourself.

>>134172134
those separatists were obviously hacked by russian hackers

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>>134181603
Makes sense
although they need to get it back before ukr enters NATO or the EU

>>134175660
I means
Bad Golden Chair
I guess

>>134181553
Kek. Putin also fucked your sister?

>>134181553
thats not true. birthrate of your country is going up and highest of all europe

>>134172134
>Ukraine
>>>/x/

>>134181797
Go take 50yr loan form Sberbank to buy shitty flat in commieblock.

>>134181625
Well it actually becomes Europes problem. Russia can't afford it, and without Crimea, its of no interest to America.

Porky will flee soon and the government will collapse. I advise all Ukies to GTFO and move to Finland. The Finns love Ukies and want them to come en mass.

>>134181603
>they don't want to fuck up the infrastructure
>already fucked up the infrastructure of the most industrial region
seems legit

>>134172134
>Malorossiya
>Little Russia

I am sure this will be allowed and nobody will be against it.

>>134181298
They're moving to Russia instead

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>>134181435
Ok, as you wish. If, say, Academy sends their men to countryname to fight against the government recognised by everyone including USA – that's ok and you have no questions to ask USA govt. Is that correct?

>>134181843
>birthrate of your country is going up and highest of all europe
picrelated
>first 11 positions are -stans

>>134182119
Native white russians birthrate is higher than of muslims

source: http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-demographics-are-now-reasonably-healthy-birth-rate-highest-europe/ri2354

>>134182119
Behold the upcoming Eurasian Empire!

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>>134177014

This is Boris (((Spiegel))) the russian jewish oligarch who is funding european antifa.

Hillary Clinton congratulated his work against nazism in open letter few years ago, btw.

>>134172134

1) Rebel held areas are not held under a single authority, but are loosely held by what are essentially warlords. Just because this guy says something does not mean it represents the goals/intentions of the rest of the separatists.

2) Russia's support for various commanders vary wildly, and they have no issue of discarding sep leaders whenever they feel like.

3) This is clearly a request for russia to invade donbas properly and annex it, ending the war. This man clearly doesn't understand that Russia doesn't want to annex it, and would rather donbas reintegrate with Ukraine under special conditions favorable/exploitable by Russia.

does moscow even have any plan to purge the muslims from the army? what about muslim general population?
>hurrrr they have been in russia for 1000 years
come on, nobody fucking likes muslims, dont tell me you dont want to kill them all, dont tell me that russia will function identically when the orthodox russians become a minority

is there any indication of any effort to put the muslims on the trains for novaya zemlya or some god forsaken siberian shithole?
muslims are muslims and they will always be muslim
they must be dealth with or russia as a geopolitical thing wont survive

>>134176349
>Putin doesn't care about the only port where he can put his black sea navy

Protip: Russia was renting a port from the Ukraine, that they built during USSR days.
If Ukraine joins NATO, the rent deal is cancelled, and the ships have nowhere to go.
So Ukraine got invaded, to preserve the port, and you can bet your ass Putin wants that fucking port. Thats why he annexed it.

He needs the rest of the world to make this annexation official now. If need be, he will sacrifice other "gains" to keep it.

>>134180423
this.

just watch 1 hour of RT. their politics seem to be all over the place. however they will always shill whatever weakens america.

they will push alt-right views and then turn around and run a documentary that is pro-BLM. typical D&C not that i disagree with it.

>>134182578

http://akarlin.com/2013/07/from-russia-to-russabia/

>>134181876
eastern ukraine and central part are self-sufficient. crisis was caused artificiailly. people there will stay because they accumulated MUH wealth and have good infrastructure and resources.

in other parts of the country austerity and shit will cause popular uprising and combat between elite. in 2014 pro-western elite chimped out because they were uncompetitive, they were 100x poorer than russians and their business was in retail and low-quality services.

ukrainians gdp doesnt allow to sustain such big number of elite. they take money from west and promise that common people will return them by their work lol. ukraininas elite cant force people to work for them lol , they are printing money non-stop.

so problem will be solved like it was solved many times before. peole know this and they preprare their real estate and business for upcomming events.

ukrainian financial stability was based on trade with russia and gas transit. deficits were covered by debts and vere included into markups in trade between EU and russia.

>>134181936
Niggerchenko, leader of the rogue Donetsk People's Republic is backed fully by Russian Armed Forces. But eventually, he will end up like his wardogs MofoFucko (one eyed manlet) and Givi (le gypsy mut)

>>134182578
>does moscow even have any plan to purge the muslims from the army?
Only to have more of them. Putin sends insane stacks of money to muslim republics to make sure they breed well.

>>134182726
based givi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1CwBMvuTFo&t=109s

>>134182753
the russian birthrate is higher than of muslims
repeating your meme won't make it true

>>134182119
>>134182307
White Russians have a shitty demography because they're africa-tier. They all die early from alcohol poisoning, but they have enough kids that in the long term their demographic situation is improving.

>>134182859
You see the map >>134182119. Greenest areas is where muslim apemen reside, reddest is historic Rus lands.

>>134182859
>the russian birthrate is higher than of muslims

Nonsense. Highest birthrate is with asian/turkish nomads and muslimsin russian federation.

Russian people have below replacement level birthrates like all over europe. They also do more suicides and abortions than average european.

>>134182708
were included into markups in trade between EU and russia custom union.

sorry typed very fast. at work.

in 2014 germans and french faggots decided that they can take part of russian proficit and shit started. but they are weak faggots, so they failed.

bubbles collapse sooner or later.

>>134183008
wait i thought moscow is muslim central
now they are suddenly white

so which one of your memes is it
you make no sense

>>134183008
>moskwa
>moskwa oblast

>>134183083
see >>134182307
they have 2.1 right now, which is not perfect but still higher than all of europe
they need at least 3.0 but it's looking good

>>134183008
>Greenest areas is where muslim apemen reside,
Wrong. You're either a retarded proxy or a shitskin. Most of the green areas are majority white Russians

>>134183128
Full of mongols and roaches. And green, as you see.

>>134183202
Exactly this
that poster makes no sense at all.
The greenest areas are where most white russians are
moscow is where there are most immigrants
so his map is fake

>>134183234
>moscow oblast full of shitskins
What the fuck are you smoking?

>>134183234
I meant to comment on your statement that...
> reddest is historic Rus lands
When Moscow, the city that began Russia (as Muscovy), is in green and famously the city with most muslims in Europe.

Also as >>134183202 says, a lot of Siberia is mostly 2-3 big towns in an area, and they are mostly ethnic russians.

>>134172134
>Malorossiya
>unironically calling your self little russia
lapdogs

>>134183395
White Russia is a state that currently exists.

>>134172612
The Ukraine is not a real nation.

>>134183395
I'm surprised this post wasn't made by American flag. Such American way of thinking.

>>134183359
Depends on your definition of "shitskin", I suppose. Its full of muslims, though they may be "white".

>>134183502
It used to be, before Stalin destroyed it. Cossacks were very distinct culturally than every other group around them.
Nowadays its russian separatists, really.

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>>134182307
>Russia Insider
>a good source
>supposed to talk about "native white russians"
>never mentions either "native" or "ethnic"
>doesn't show stats by ethnicity or region
>talks about """expected""" birthrate instead of natural increase
>which is still twice as high in -stans
>http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b11_13/isswww.exe/stg/d1/04-06.htm
>Chechnya: 30 and steadily growing
>Ingushetia: 27,3 and growing
>Russian avg.: 12,5 and mostly stable
>which comes with 4 times lower death rate on top of that

Thank you. I'm sure i'll be completely screwed without random EU anon proving to me that everything is fine.

>>134183676
well duh, comparing by region is stupid as russia conquered regions full of muslims but it doesn't mean that muslims are taking over
Overall russian white birthrate 2.1 in all regions which is enough

>>134173785
Crimea and the rebels in the east are russian.

the police shooting protestors in the maidan and all the hotsile takeover of government buildings was 'western coup'.

also anyone have any info on the right sector leader who stormed parliment?
There was videos of him talking to politicians. he was found dead in a ditch from hat i remember but i cannot remember names or find anything on it.

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>>134181224
Tsk tsk. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Such language.

Here's a thought: not everyone on /pol is a shill. Some of us are genuinely interested in political matters and want to hear other nationalities' opinions on things. Of course each of us will be opinionated on issues, based on our background and history, but that's the wonderful part of it.

Let's talk about politics, /pol.

Good.Subhumans fighting each other for a third party to laugh, business as usual.

>>134174208
terä finn huvitav oled...
:D

>>134172134
>what's /pol/'s thoughts

None of my business, stay out of it. Probably Soros/Western gov funded op though.

>>134176091
>ukraine doesnt exist, its just part of Russia
>USA doesn't exist, it's just prairie nigger land

Saying Ukraine isn't a country or that Ukrainians are not a distinct ethnic group is retarted

>>134184756
It's just a meme

>>134184756
it's a meme, dip

never hear of the meme that the polish anon makes?
>Ukraine
>country
>>>>/x/

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>>134183814
>as russia conquered regions full of muslims but it doesn't mean that muslims are taking over
Here i have to remind you that under Soviet regime before 1970-something Chechnya republic was half as big in terms of area. But soviets decided to redraw its borders to include Grozny (its current capital, historical russian city) and neighbouring area which were part of predominantly russian Stavropol Region. Why? Because population growth as well as return of those deported by Stalin pushed ethnic chechens to settle on russian lands. And now look at the numbers i've provided.
>2010
>Chechnya – nat. incr. 24,4
>Stavropol region – nat. incr. -0,5
Now guess where chechen youth goes to live considering alarming levels of unemployment in their home republic.

>>134185036
>Now guess where chechen youth goes to live considering alarming levels of unemployment in their home republic.
germany

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>>134177977
>NATO flag and Nazi flag side by side

>>134184904
>>134185010
Its not just a meme, Putin's clowns in the western media have made that claim and people actually fell for it

>>134185264
yeah but we startet it here first

>>134177213
baltic nigger detected

>>134185089
to Stavropol

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meжэтничecкий_кoнфликт_в_Cтaвpoпoлe

>>134172134
>malorossiya
>mal is latin prefix for bad or evil

This guy is, I can only assume, a super-villain.

>>134183375
>When Moscow, the city that began Russia (as Muscovy), is in green and famously the city with most muslims in Europe.
Kinda thought it almost was Holmgard(/Novogrod?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus'

>>134181876
Once the land value is driven into the ground the big companies will buy everything and enslave the population just like it was in ex-yu countries. First it needs to be balkanized tho

>>134177239
When you come from the cold into that inclosed heat it make you wanna piss senpai

>>134185493
Kievan Rus isn't the organization (how the fuck would you call such a group of small kingdoms working together?) that started Russia, Muscovy is.

>>134185499
everything is already bought by big companies, that is the problem lol

fiat money in ukraine cant buy any other profitable assets, this fact creates inflation.

ukrainian state and central bank is a property of jews, jews do not want to sell remaining shit and IMF helps them to increase state presence. they nationalized biggest bank not long ago.

>>134185644
We called it all Garðariki then, empire of farms
It interconnects a lot with our own history here

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>>134172134
>Jewkraine

>>134177656
It's a fucking smiley face

>>134186040
I'm wondering if scandinavians see early Russia as a "nordic state", since it was some of your guys in charge, no?
Founding cities down the river, eventually starting kingdoms, fighting over the big crown, and then one guy beats his only son to death over his wife wearing a skimpy dress.

>>134175660
It's like Little Britain but Russia.

>>134186040
We consider it as part of the northerlands yes, all the way into modern times. Commie shit kinda split us for a while. Not many knows this, but I have my own flag to thank Russia for.

Not only due to the liberation in WW2, but to begin with in 1814 when we was liberated and ressed again by Russia after the 400+ year old night as we call it. Sort of like in civilization, punishing Denmark after the Napoleon wars

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>>134186118

http://www.jta.org/2014/05/05/news-opinion/world/russia-makes-holocaust-denial-illegal

>>134186246
Duh this was for you
>>134186675
We consider it as part of family is what I'm trying to say

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>>134183184

That 2.1 is national average. Compare the fertility map to ethnicity map of Russia and you notice all the high fertility rate exist in non-white areas. There is not a single 90% russian area that has it at 2.1

>>134172134
Good.

Ukraine is a non-country, anyway.

It's also a Soros hub.

>a state called Malorossiya
That is actually the historical name for the territory.

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>>134186758
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#Hungary
>The Parliament of Hungary declared the denial or trivialization of the Holocaust a crime punishable by up to three years' imprisonment on February 23, 2010.
Pot calling the kettle black.

Everybody knows that it's buddhists who have Putin in their pocket, not jews. Jews fear the samurai.

>>134186836
Noice. Good to see you lot making peace over that oil in the North Sea.

>>134186675
You have UK to thank you retard.

Russia only chased the Germans away from Kirkenes, when they were weak at the end of WW2. They wanted the land, nothing else, but Franklin D. Roosevelt told them to fuck off, so they did.

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>>134187172
Fisk shit, on our end believe it or not
Yeah we're strange.
It was finally settled in 2012

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>>134187237
Ofc we do, their royals come from us even.
That is if the linage is don't know the linage in modern times. Comes from Gange Rolf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB8iGXyLoNY

We're kind of the bridge here lol.

>>134187237
>They wanted the land

They wanted communists in power, not to annex land.
They also wanted the same in Finland, but since laws were changed to prevent it, shit got ugly.

I am not excusing USSR aggression though, just to clarify.

>>134187015
>>134183184

btw, i checked and Russia does not have fertilty rate of 2.1 as national average.

Basically every oblast with over fertility rate over 2.1 have russians as minority or majority minority.

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>>134181858

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>>134188331
mongrelian bydło.

>>134177863
>are you retarded? At least half of the oblast that would be included in this country are coastal.

But coast isn't under their control. Russian infiltrators control only half of the two oblasts.

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>>134188514
agree, he lived like mongrel and died like mongrel

>>134188977
Thanks based GRU

>>134188756
notice how I used future tenses in my statement.

>>134187989
>majority minority
It's called a "plurality"

>>134172134
I just wish that americans would exterminate eternal russians with nuclear fire.

>>134188977
>Milchakov meme
>in this list

>>134179007
>Ukranians already killed most hungarian men living there,
Now? How? I have heard that Hungarian residents of ukraine were conscripted at a very high rate compared to other citizens. Seems like they send the people that are statisticly more likely to be disloyal.

>>134189351
the whole novorossia is the meme

>>134181625
fuckfuckfuck

Should I also emigrate? I'm only 2nd year med student.
And what region are you from?

fuckfuckfuck

>>134181625
Also he's telling truth about mass emigration.

All school friends of mine would like to leave this country and I know about a significant number who already did. To Russia, to Europe, to US...

>>134182660
>>134182708
>>134182641
Have the "novorossyians" had any succes in bettering the military, education and demography?

>>134189983
If you can why wouldn't you? Unless you're living a good like in ukraine right now

>>134187520
>Ofc we do, their royals come from us even.
our king Harald Hardrada was married to a russian

>>134189983
I hope emmigration won't be needed for you. Just move to Lwów, and, I hope, you will live in another country (Poland) in a few years.

I'm torn between facepalming at how stupid the hohols were to believe the lies that Soros fed them and wanting to bail them out just so the turkic and chechen filth infesting Russia doesn't spread to Ukraine.

>>134181295
Ok Charles

>>134181295
Serb autism at its peak.

You should deal with your lesbian Prime Minister first before talking grand strategy.

There is a hope for Ukraine? Redpill me on Sadowy Samopomicz, are they not completly corrupt and moderate nationalist?

Or any party or clique with goal of making Ukraine decent for once?

>>134189983
i am from kiev.

if you have real estate then do not emigrate. just prepare your (family) property to collapse.

as for you you will have shitloads of money if you work in private medical clinic. young people move out, most of them they will be poorfags in europe, you will get shitloads of money from old people at home without competion using PPP, you will get all their shit. profit. there will be no people to make productive work!

when old poorfags will return from collapsed eu they wil be your clients lol

i (personally) am not going to emigrate, i will finish everything that makes my property vulnerable untill collapse then i will sit, eat good food, drink wine and laughs. from time to time buying assets of other people for free

then ukraine will join russian trade union and i will sell all with 4x price.

My prognosys - west Russia will be a part of the Giant Poland.

I even speak Polish yet

>>134191194
Już pisałem to wczoraj i napiszę znów - """Polacy""" stojący na stronie pseudoukrainy to prawdziwi podludzi.

I wrote this yet, and will write again: """Poles""" who are standing together with pseudoukraine are non-ironical cucks.

>>134172134
>separatists
>how I know OP is a fag.

Should have called it Novorossiya...

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>>134177477
I dunno. We could ask the Russian Army about it

>>134191194
The only hope for Ukraine is for Europe to uncuck itself and negotiate for Ukraine to be a non-aligned and neutral country and a buffer state between Russia and Europe.

Its a longshot but thats basically it, America isn't going to bail them out and despite Trump's efforts to de-escalate tension with Russia, the cuckservatives and the CIA keep going around him in order to keep the pointless U.S.-Russia conflict alive.

>>134191542
>Trump's efforts to de-escalate tension with Russia
Wow

>>134177014
There are a bunch of spanish mercenaries fighting for the govt of Kiev too, unemployment will force you into stupid shit.

>>134191392
Why are you pretending to be Russian, Pshek? Is this the new subversive shilling meme?

>>134191392
>podludzie*
fix'd

I'm not particulary pro-Ukraine, i'm no against them either. Poland is getting stronger rapidly, we don't need any extra territories to see that happend. And Russia or failed state close to our border isn't comfy. So I wish them good luck, as to all Ruskie.

>>134191281
what % jewish are you?

>>134191706
If you pay attention, every last "toughguy" threat or jesture Trump has made towards Russia and by extension Syria has been preceeded by the media and the cuckservatives twisting his arm and doing everything they can to force the move. If he actually was for all out conflict with Russia he would have done what fucks like John McCain want and landed a full scale U.S. invasion in Syria.

>>134172134

FOR GIVI!

>>134172134
Putin wants to take over Ukraine just to make Nationalism illegal and flood them with "central asians" just to please his jewish and muslim overlords and /pol/ defends him, because muh based rooskies.

>>134192789
fuck off Zheleznov

>ukraine is not a real country!
>but this little russia is a real historical place!

>>134188756
They do control part of the coast faggot. Look at the maps.

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>>134191281

>then ukraine will join russian trade union and i will sell all with 4x price.

How high do you think the probability of that happening is?

https://www.voanews.com/a/eu-trade-pact-with-ukraine-to-take-full-effect-in-september/3938008.html

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>>134183083

> thinking that birth rate is superior to genocide in some way
> thinking that populations cant simply be wiped out and their culture extinguished before they get the chance to replace you
> implying being shot with sperm is more dangerous than being shot with steel