(((Mgtow)))

>>134163371
Traditionalism causes MGTOW as well, faggot.

>>134163371

MGTOW and feminists should marry each other, it's the perfect match

>>134163371
It's a really understandable, almost unavoidable counter-reaction to modern feminism (and its side-effects) though.
Yeah it just worsens society's problems. Yeah it's just what those who want to destroy the family unit had hoped for. MGTOWs are not fighters.
But MGTOW is not a root problem.

>>134163592
>Feminist and Tradcucks
They're both gynocenctric pieces of shit.

>>134163371
I'd say it's a necessity at this point. Feminism is one giant shittest that you people have been failing for generations. MGTOW niggers are finally saying "nah we're not dealing with your bullshit" and that's the only way to deal with shittests.

>>134164235
But it's an emotional reaction that doesnt solve the root problem.

>>134164529
The general phenomenon is understandable, but MGTOWs are personally unconditional about it. They treat women only as a group instead of on an individual basis.
Why is that?

>>134164235
Hey are you the same leaf from the personalities thread that got deleted?

>>134165023
Feminism has been enshrined into the legal system. An individual woman not being a feminist is still a danger in the context of a feminist society.

>get married
>lose more control over your life
>goverment has more ways to fuck you over(divorce,childsupport,wife can claim you rape/abused her)

why would anyone get into a relationship or get married?

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>>134164512
>gynocentric

>>134164512
/thread
Until trads stop putting women on a pedestal no redpilled man will ever care about them.

>>134163371
Feminism is inciting hate between men and women.
MGTOW is just the answer.Does it incite hate too?Probably,but not as much as feminism.
If someone starts hitting you do you fight back or do you stand still and take his beating?

>>134165023
Because AWALT

>>134165008
>But it's an emotional reaction
Yeah when someone "is" MGTOW, it's an emotional reaction. It's unrational because it's overly generalizing. You can tell anyway how butthurt they are. I mean geeze.
But as a general phenomenon it's not really avoidable.
There's just less and less women both willing to marry your average beta and able to be in a stable marriage.
Lots of guys can't get married because women's standards are through the roof (both in looks and status). Lots of guys can't get married because of economics. Lots of guys just don't care about it very much. Lots of guys never had a very positive image of marriage after seeing it fail so much all around them. Some guys don't think they could make it work. Lots of guys just won't find someone they like enough and will trust. Alphas might not want to commit for obvious reason.
But most of those guys don't fucking hate women the way that MGTOWs tend to. They'll be able to blame themselves or society to some extent. MGTOWs want to organize a systematic boycott.
>that doesnt solve the root problem.
Definitively not.

>>134165008
>mgtow
>an emotional reaction

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way

(...) members of the MGTOW community believe that legal and romantic entanglements with women fail a cost–benefit analysis and risk–benefit analysis. (...)

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>>134163371
Women won't be needed anymore after artificial wombs are built.

Feminists are women who have horrible taste in men and bend to their male partners whims before getting upset afterwards.
MGTOW are men who have horrible taste in women and bend to their female partners whims before getting upset afterwards.

Both are retarded

>>134165092
No.
>>134165125
>individual woman
Well it depends doesn't it? Individuals are all different.
Plenty of people manage to make it work. They love each others and they love being married.
Yeah the laws are fucked up but even if they were fixed, a woman could still turn out to be batshit insane and murder you and your kids. There's always a risk.
And yeah the risks are way too high and it's a huge problem. But the generalization is still wrong.

>>134165848
I love you artificial womb! *MWAH*
Kids this is where you come from.
Kids your condition is called "autism".

>>134165385
But who is (((hitting you))). All Mgtow is doing is teaching men to give up. it's not fighting back if you give up. Feminism teaches women to hate men and Mgtow teaches men to give up on women.(((rubbing hands))).

>>134165848
This is copypasta or you've never had sex.

>>134163371
Absolutely correct. Keep falling for the Jew tricks white bois

>>134163371
The comparaison between MGTOW and Feminism is a god damn cancer that needs to stop, for fuck sake.
You can hate both, but they have little in common. Feminism is a political movement with an agenda. MGTOW is a word to describe a personnal choice made by people who don't give a shit anymore. Damn it, there are a lot of men who are technically MGTOW but don't even know what it is.

>>134163371
Enmity between your seed and that of the woman? That kind of hatred? Do some reading

>>134165919
You're dancing around, trying to acknowledge the feminist legal system while hand waving it away. Just because risks always exist doesn't justify accepting a huge increase in risk.

>>134166150
People who don't give a shit yet dedicate large amounts of time to talking about their 'personal choice' on message boards'.

>>134166304
>hand waving it away
No, I'm not. Less guys will get married and it's unavoidable. It's not safe with most women.
The problem is deciding in advance to not get married before even ever having a specific individual to consider.
As an individual you get married to another individual. This is what you base your decision on.
And yeah you better be smart about it because the group statistics don't look so great.
But if someone thinks it's always gonna be too risky for him, no matter who with, then the problem is not that all women are shit, the problem is that he's shit.
Or he has too much autism to judge people's characters and make emotional connections with them. Which sucks. There's definitively a huge autism problem among MGTOWs. Many such cases! Which is why they resort to thinking in such absolute, generalizing terms.

>>134166485
There is always people like that in any "group". When you study what is MGTOW, you just get that no one has a plan beside "not committing". Except for a few special snowflakes who want to brag about it, the vast majority just keep doing their business as they always did.

>>134165804
That is only the believe. The reaction, however, is to give up, to avoid women completely, and, therefore, emotional.

MGTOW is not about hate towards women, the issue MGTOW has is how one-sided the marriage agreement has become. Families should be encouraged to stay together, children need harmony between male and female mentors.

>>134163371
Most everything about women on /pol/ is a ((psyop)) to dissuade young men

>>134167235
Are women hate general threads not justified tho? I mean Im wary of finding love again. Although I did, I was very selective, as I just cant totally let my guard down since all this bullshit women are getting away with nowadays. Hell the first time my ex came over I secretly left my phone on record in case she tried some shit.

>>134166826
People who feel that way need to either start a secular version of the FRC or shut up, buy a trainset and stop polluting the new right with their kissless angry virgin stereotype.

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MGTOWs are no different than rad fems, just like this board is no different than tumblr discourse bloggers. Two sides of the same shitty coin. Two groups of hateful negative idiots.

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Find a girl, get engaged, get married, have children
What's so hard about that

>>134167121
>The reaction, however, is to give up, to avoid women completely, and, therefore, emotional.

The reaction is to give up on legal and social relations with women. You can still pump and dump or use escorts to satisfy your biological needs. How is this emotional?

>>134167684
I disagree. Feminism is a hateful group. Their revendication is about opposing males. MGTOW is a "group" who don't play the game anymore. Some are hateful, some not.
>>134167701
Loosing half of your assets in a divorce procedure, wich is more or less a 50% chance.

I don't see how you can equate MGTOW to feminism. Latter is simply men saying 'fuck that shit' and going their own way. Opting out.

>>134167511
read them with a grain of salt and leave if you get mad
notice when something has a 4chan filename or if OP posts once

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>>134163371
MGTOW's are just bachelors

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>>134168009
>loosing

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>>134163371
Absolutely.
Just like Dresden was engineered to incite hate between non-Anglos and the people who actually matter.

https://archive.fo/hRd2u

>Hillary Clinton sided with Russia on sanctions as Bill made $500G on Moscow speech

https://archive.fo/BI4PA

>Germany’s Merkel Defends Russian Gas Pipeline Plan

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>>134168009
Every MGTOW I've encountered has been a super negative nerd. The reason these guys are in this group is because they feel women have wronged them, leading to a negative outlook on them, which makes their group essentially a woman hate circle jerk. They hate women because they're either nerds who can't get laid or are old dumb ass men who got cucked because they didn't think before they married the first rat they found. If you really look at these guys and how they talk you really can't defend them.

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>>134167121
I live in a country where a woman's word is enough to get me jailed at a police station for 1-3 days. And if she fills a lawsuit, I better have proofs that she is full of bullshit because I'm being considered guilty until I can prove otherwise.

That's enough reason for me to get away from women.

>>134168303
>le jew xD xD argument disproved xD

>>134164235
MGTOW is a symptom, not the cause.
Most of the guys who actively participate in that community have already been burned and don't want to repeat that mistake or never stood a chance anyway.
It's not like them withdrawing from marriage has any effect on it at all

>>134168469
I don't exactly see an argument in there, only shaming language.

>>134168469
The only argument they ever have is "lol enjoy losing half your shit" too. Like, ok, let's pretend they're right and I get married and end up losing half my shit, if I hadn't taken the risk in the first place I'd have twice as much useless shit as I have now but no purpose in life and might as well just kill myself anyway.

>>134167988
Then why is it a problem for you if women are feminist, why do you concern yourself with what they do, why did you even bother to respond in this thread and protect mgtow if you can pump and dump or use escorts from the beginning. Where is the cost–benefit analysis and risk–benefit analysis here?

>>134167121
>The reaction, however, is to give up, to avoid women completely, and, therefore, emotional.

Not really, it can still be a logical consequence (though for a good bunch of them it is emotional, since a good bunch of them are just salty people who never stood a chance anyway).

When a deal is shit, it's shit. It's not just sometimes shit, it is always shit, and should therefor always be refused.

>>134163371
We know, the problem is that until the government cracks down on extreme feminism it's not going to change.

>>134168572
then fight the system.

>>134168816
They deserve to be shamed, they're embarrassing to look at. MGTOW is nothing but negativity that naive young men get caught up in and does nothing but make their life more unhappy. Nothing good comes of it.

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MGTOW are losers and cowards. I will keep breeding my white English wife (from the far North) and keeping defending Europe, while MGTOW bitches moan about their feelings online. Keep expending your energies online MGTOW cucks, leave the real world for real men, who can maintain their dignity, morality and pride while having a family, a business and skill based hobbies. Oh no I am unable to find a decent women because I cant compete with the real traditional white man. Keep on blaming everyone else for your weakness.

Claim to be new age philosophers but you cant even understand the basic evolutionary nature of humanity to the degree you can master it. Muh hypergamy, raise your game fucktard. Life is struggle, nothing is easy, accept the burden of decency, honestly, virtue and allow the right woman the chance to appeal to their better selves in an environment you create to facilitate this. Basically MGTOW are lazy, inept and shortsighted.

>>134169125
agreed

>>134166785
>And yeah you better be smart about it because the group statistics don't look so great.
>he has too much autism to judge people's characters and make emotional connections with them

Dude, every single guy ever thought he was being smart when he said "I do". No one steps in front of the altar thinking that his soon-to-be wife is a fucking whore who'll divorce him in a couple years, they all thought they made a smart decision.
And for a lot of them they probably did in that very moment, but people can change. And the current state of the law is very strongly encouraging women to do change whenever they aren't 100% happy with the situation anymore. There's no real incentive to stay with your partner even in hard times, because you can just ditch them and still retain most of your standard of living via alimony.

>>134168108
>I don't see how you can equate MGTOW to feminism.

You can't. People just do it because feminism is hated on /pol/ so trying to create an association between that and MGTOW would be an easier way to discredit it than to construct an actual argument against it.

Most of the anti-MGTOW people are just guys who are currently emotionally invested in a woman anyway. Your brain switches to autopilot and blots out all risks and downsides, and you get unreasonably mad when anyway challenges that state of mind. It's normal.

>>134168934
>Then why is it a problem for you if women are feminist

Because I don't really want to be convinced of rape which I didn't commit, among other things. Wouldn't give a shit about feminism if it wasn't aggresive in modern times.

>why did you even bother to respond in this thread

Same reason I respond to other threads to correct other people.

>>134169125
Playing video games and counting my money? Nothing good will ever come of it

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>>134163371
Mgtow is garbage which contributes to nothing except selfish interesses and self pity of being afraid to get a gf.
I don't understand can one be Mgtow and a nationalist of any kind when he doesn't contribute anything like having kids or a stable happy family which is foundation of a nation.

Only argument mgtow have is "your gonna get divorced" "half of your shit is gonna get taken" "you will have to pay the alimony" "muh feeling".
And when they are pitiful argument is countered they use their ebin meme"LE ROASTIE XDDDD" "LOOK MY FELLOW REDDITORS, IT'S A ROASTIE XDDD"

I believe a lot of liberty should be taken away from women so they wouldn't be able to corrupt our society and government, but simply ditching women and becoming a hermit because you are socially coward is no way to progress the existence of a nation or furthermore... our civilization.

>>134163371
Anyone else think that men and women are not meant to get along?

Giving women the freedom to peruse high paying careers has made many of them forgo real relationships with men and they seem happy that way. A lot of them also seem happy choosing life without children.

Men seem to only marry women for a flow of steady sex and to have someone raise his kids, not because they actually like being married. Women used to resent this type of lifestyle but put up with this because there was no other way for them to financially support themselves.

So acknowledging these things, what is the point for men and women to stick together if they cannot get along normally?

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>>134163371
I can't wait till the pathetic humans build a FTL drive and a working ship so I can finally get off this rock of retards! I'm sick and tired of white bitches & black bitches fem bitches & male bitches bitching about sexism this! equality that! racist this! blah blah blah bitch bitch bitch!

I want to leave this planet an find some intelligent life worth mating with or get a time machine go back to ancient Rome cause all they gave a fuck about was "are you a Roman or a slave?" they didn't care about race gender or other stupid shit!
Owwwww! ok.... I-I think its out of My systems now....

>>134169049
I see that argument every time but what the guys posting it always ignore is that in a way, these people are fighting the system.

You will never change it through activism in a democratic system, because half of the voters are female. And they will not agree with stripping away some of their privileges. You'd need a monolithic male voting block to change anything, and that is not something that will ever happen.
The only way these people could change something is if enough others follow their example and they just collapse the system by making it unsustainable. Which is a valid political strategy when you do not have the required political support to change it in any other way, just look at the current health care reforms where they just wait for Obamacare to collapse. (Not like MGTOW will achieve that any time soon, but it's the only option they have).

Meanwhile, the "then fight the system!" argument always seem to boil down to
>play along with the system but also advocate against it
which is entirely pointless because why should the system care about your complaints in that case? Clearly your opposition to it is not strong enough for you to actually stop participating in it, so they can just discard your complaints.

>>134169577
Yes, videogames are boring and money really doesn't buy happiness. Nothing can replace the love of a woman. You fuckin nerd.

>>134169815
One day I'll have counted my money so much I'll be at the top of the hypergamic ladder, I'm just playing them at there own game

>>134169642
>Anyone else think that men and women are not meant to get along?

That's not the problem. Men and women fill different, complementary roles in society. That obviously means that their interests aren't always in line, but that's normally not that much of a problem. It only becomes a problem when you completely strip one side of the legal rights to push their own interests, because then the other has zero motivation to agree to a compromise.

>>134169867
Stop this roleplaying.

>>134169909
>It only becomes a problem when you completely strip one side of the legal rights to push their own interests

can you give me an example of this? I am not aware of legal rights being stripped by either side.

>>134169642
Typical mgtow generalisation of what women and men think, want, feel, and motivates them.

>>134170026
I'm not mgtow. I have just generally seen in my life that women and men do not get along very well when they live under the same roof and they resent eachother for different reasons. Good marriages between men and women seem very rare.

>>134168303
that's not an argument. you may be 100% correct in saying that the mgtow idea is pushed by (((them))). But it doesnt change the fact that the court/legal system is stacked in the woman's favor, ergo men don't want to get divorced raped

>>134163371
No shit newfag.

>>134169758
Because all women are feminist? How many women did vote for Trump?(not that i'd approve of that)

>>134170025
>no fault divorce
>guaranteed alimony
>almost guaranteed custody

Women have been handed a nuclear option to just destroy your life if you ever push any disagreement too far. Technically you might not have been stripped of your rights, but you also can't exercise them without risk of losing everything.
It's like some tiny country going into negotiations with the US. From a legal perspective they might be negotiating on equal ground, but in practice the US is so economically and military superior that it will always get what it wants.

>>134170156
Indeed no shit.

>>134163371

1488% agreed OP

Im absolutely convinced it was dreamnt up in the same sociology departments as feminism

Think it through faggots, it serves the exact same goals

>>134170175
>Because all women are feminist?

They don't need to be feminists to agree with the way alimony is currently awarded. Ask some random woman on the street if she agrees with you that the woman should have no right to alimony if it was a no-fault divorce where the husband didn't do anything wrong.
Good luck finding a relevant amount of women who'll answer that with "yes".

>>134170245
>>almost guaranteed custody

I was reading something that stated that many men do not even try to get shared custody for their kids, as in they give up so this sways the statistics. How true do you think this is? I am skeptical to believe that the majority of fathers out there want 50/50 custody of their children due to some life experience I have. I would love to be wrong about that because I was under the assumption that fathers typically nothing to do with their children after a divorce.

also I agree with no fault divorce and alimony making 0 sense. Have no idea why those things are even an option.

>>134164235
Pretty much. And overall it's even a good thing.
Just wish that real national socialists who want many children will swallow their pride, take one for the team and marry anyway.

>>134169604
>>134168914
It could be the only argument they have, but that s one hell of an argument, especially when the divorce rate is more than 50%. You need to have one special kind of autism if that don't make you think about it and so far, you don't actually adress it.

It s as stupid as saying police shouldn't invistigate Dexter because their only argument against him is he kills people.

>>134169604
They're children, it's actually sad to see how many young guys have been dragged into this movement (16-25) becuase they want to stand out
They'll only come to regret it, having missed out on so much in life but by the time they realise this, they are 30 and it's too late to repair

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>>134165848
Women are already obsolete (as partners). I'm strongly considering this. It would even allow me to get my kids better genes than what I could attract while also allowing me to skip having to deal with a roastie. 150k$ aren't that much compared to what a wife will cost youand if you do it in a smart way it'll cost much less, more like 50k, perhaps less.

wtf I'm ready to commit financial suicide now

>>134170555
The rate is ~50% yeah but that is an overall number and doesn't take into account that many of the contributing divorcees are the types of people you wouldn't consider marrying in the first place. Divorce rate by your type would be far more useful but probably impossible to obtain as a statistic.

>>134170503
>How true do you think this is?

From personal experience, not at all. I had two divorce cases in the extended family and in both cases, the ex wife got custody even though they pulled all kinds of crazy shit.

One of them was caught lying to the police about her ex supposedly raping their daughter (her story kept changing so that's how they figured out she was lying), she simply abducted the child at one point and tried to leave the country, the daughter has suffered severe psychological damage as a consequence of her constantly manipulating her to get the upper hand over her ex husband (confirmed by multiple therapists) and so on and so forth.
She still ended up getting full custody in the end, you basically have to be a total drug addict just half a step away from the overdose to get your kid taken away.

And this case wasn't just handled by one court, so it's not just that he got unlucky once with the judge. They moved through pretty much all instances and it was the same absolutely everywhere. The mother will simply not lose custody because despite all the "men and women are equal!" thing being pushed, the general mindset is still that the child belongs with the mother.

>>134170350
So we agree that the system is the problem.
Did you go on the street asking women that?
Or is it your impression of how the majority of women think about that.

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>>134170555
Then fucking address the problem and try to fix the court system on divorced and don't just say "fuck it... if system is against my, i'm just gonna bell out and rebel like a fucking hippie faggot and contribute to nothing but to spread apathy among rest of people"

It as stupid as saying police should abandon their case because dexter doesn't want to be arrested.

>>134170981
People like you won't let him.

>>134170877
>So we agree that the system is the problem.

Of course the problem lies with the system. Marriage worked just fine for centuries.

>Did you go on the street asking women that?

I did bring up the fact that I think no fault divorce and alimony should be mutually exclusive in a couple of discussions and the women that were present always very strongly disagreed.

If you have better data, i.e. a study showing that women support a change of these laws, feel free to post them and I'll be happy to be proven wrong. I don't actually enjoy feeling like society has turned to shit, so it's not like I'll insist on it when it turns out I was incorrect.

>>134170981
>Then fucking address the problem and try to fix the court system

That's what they are trying to do though, at least the ones that aren't just in it because of sour grapes.
Fastest way to achieve anything in a democracy is to organize a strike and get it to critical mass.

>>134170869
That's really messed up..

In my experience my father didn't even fight for custody even though my mother was an unfit parent. Many of my friends have had the same fate where their fathers did not even show up to court and just gave up.

This is why I have trouble believing that men want to stick around for the kids after a divorce. I just haven't seen it happen in the lives of my peers and family. Also, no I am not black these are all white families I am mentioning.

Maybe the best way to avoid men skipping out and women fucking over dads who do care is to enforce 50/50 custody by default? As in the only way to get out of it would be to have hard evidence on child abuse from either side.

>MGTOW: The political philosophy that, as a man, you're going to be blamed for all the problems so you figure you might as well do what you want.
I always chuckle at how many insecure faggots and whores there are on /pol/ who do nothing else but try and shit on men they claim not to care about.

>>134165848
So a family with an absent father is not ok, but a family with an absent mother is ok? With your comment you are trying to degrade women like feminist try to degrade men, which makes you a hypocrite.

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>>134171063
>Im not letting him because i say rebelling in a stupid fashion similar to hippies in 60's and 70's is unironically stupid and unproductive.
holly shiet, man. If i don't marry and post on taiwanese fishing forum my opinions they will surely notice my and start trying to appease me.

Fuck these assholes im getting tired im sick and tired of hearing these dickheads attacking innocent people online why isn't the police throwing all of these punks in jail they been wreaking havoc for a years now and i have had enough and i am a victim of these evil kids i am sick and tired of them hating on people who like interracial dating and blacks who like Edm music and i also hate them for hating on innocent black people that highly intelligent and educated and im one of them and i was really mad

>>134171395
>Just do what I want, goy!
You can't change a system if you volunteer to be its slave.

>>134171136
But you said all women, which means also the ones that aren't divorcing.

>unfair divorce outcomes for men has only resulted in higher murder rates for women and children.

>>134171355
Agreed. Men getting children via artificial wombs would just lead to fucked up children too, only in a different way.
Mother and father are complimentary, the child learns different things from them.

What needs to be fixed are marriage/divorce laws so the relationship between wife and husband can normalize again.

>>134171525
>But you said all women

I specifically said "any relevant amount" to avoid these kind of
>Ha, but this unicorn says different!
arguments.

>>134170555
Ho yeah, "change it". Why didn t I thought about that? Well, maybe because it s actually a fairy tale for naive poor fucks, like, I don't know, changing anything with your vote? So far, it does not seem to work that much but feel free to try and play the game, no one is actually saying you can't.

But on another hand, people are adressing the problem, but not how you would love to though. Porn industrie, Robot and the artificial reproduction are exactly a response to adress this but something is telling me this is not what you would approve.

>>134163371
MGTOW is good for society.

>>134171697
>no one is actually saying you can't.

Which is why I don't understand the vehement anti-stance on it.
You can certainly think it's stupid and these people are wasting their lives, but why get angry at them for doing it when it has no impact on your life at all?
Well, unless you are a woman and are worried that they might ever achieve something I guess.

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>>134171449
No, you find a better way to fuck over the system or just destroy it.

How the fuck does mgtow trying to fix the court system exactly?
Do they march in a massive protest? Do they address problem in the congress and demand change?

No... mgtow do their shitty solidarity movement until kikes in coart will notice them, but in reality they don't give a shit because mgtow are more useful to them not breeding.

Mgtow logic is that not marrying is some kindof new form of hunger strike... autism

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>>134163371
96.7% of marriages end in divorce:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/marriage-statistics/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X7opWEfcOE

>>134171938
Of course I want to destroy the system. It's much easier to tear down the rat down the rat nest of Jewish and female bullshit and put in a new one than try and tolerate it.

Frankly though your entire argument will boil down to vagaries and insults. Which is typical of insecurity.

Before any system can be changed the first step is to protect the individual so they can change it. And for that to happen the only winning move her is, literally, not playing. Ignoring this fact only allows the system to perpetuate.

>>134171935
Ha, you might have been mistaken. I was answering to him >>134170981

>>134171603
as in men murdering their families?

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>>134168469
If men are going against their biological programming to breed something is seriously fucking wrong with society.
Stop shaming men, and fix the problems of society (Spoiler: Women shouldn't vote.)

>>134172061
>Ha, you might have been mistaken.

Oh, no. I was agreeing with you. Probably should drop this habit of using "you can certainly" instead of "one can certainly" to keep my statements more general and avoid confusion.

not mgtow, but divorce laws fuck guys over hard and I dont see the point of marriage when it's such a big risk.

>>134172025
73.6% Of All Statistics Are Made Up
http://www.businessinsider.com/736-of-all-statistics-are-made-up-2010-2

>>134172413
Archived that for you
https://archive.is/A5sXZ

>>134172413

are we going to pretend that divorce doesnt fuck over men badly, in addition to bias with respect to custody (if you have kids)?

>>134172474
They're just going to blame you for it.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

>>134172439
Thanks

>>134172524

I have no idea why a "prenup" isnt the default in all marriages.

why should you lose what you brought into a relationship, if it fails? a divorce shouldn't be a fucking lottery, for a woman.

So, overall it could be summed up by saying that marriage and dating women in general has a cost attached to it for men. If that cost is acceptable to you then good for you, have fun. Simply an increasing amount of men find that cost unacceptable, hence MGTOW. For those men the whole situation failed the cost benefit analysis.

>>134172649
Just scroll this thread. It's literally men in marriage trying to drag down other men. They even go so far as to adopt feminist shaming tactics, and argue like literal women, to try and drag others down with them.

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>>134166035
The whole reason you have all these anti-Feminist women popping up on YouTube and on the Right is since of MGTOW. These women are getting desperate for attention and men's resources.

A vast majority of these anti-Feminists aren't actually anti-Feminists either, they just want the 3rd Wave Feminism to be toned down to 2nd Wave Feminism.

Ask an anti-Feminist if they think women shouldn't vote. They almost all believe women should vote.

>>134172649
>I have no idea why a "prenup" isnt the default in all marriages.

Generally seen as an awkward thing to ask for because it implies that you expect the relationship to go awry at some point, which is not the best way to start your marriage.

That's pretty much it.

>>134172474
No the System clearly doesn't work, it's clearly biased gainst men and all mgtow has to say is 'give up'.

>>134163371
Women are a cancer and artificial wombs are the cure

>>134172708
That is pretty much the core of it, yes. Then you obviously also get a bunch of undateable sore grapes fags, which make a good target for an attack so that's what everyone focuses on.

>>134172992
Regardless if they are un-date-able or not is irrelevant. They shouldn't be attacked either way if they're volunteering to remove themselves from people who don't want them anyway.

But the reality is women want to string these types of men along for selfish reasons. There is money in scamming these types of desperate men and a lot of them have figured it out. That's the reason MGTOW is attacked.

>>134172921
It's less "give up" and more "don't participate in it".

You can't expect to change a system when you are still feeding it resources that keep it alive. The only way to really change it is by making it unsustainable and thus ensuring that change is without alternative.

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>>134172878
Just tell them that you have history of schizophrenia in your family and that you may become mentally unstable suddenly in life like one of your relatives did recently. If that were to happen, you will need to divorce for everyone's safety and will need your assets/funds to pay for your medical bills for the rest of your life.

>>134173130
Yeah, I'm not saying it's okay to attack these people. I was just pointing out that they are better targets for shaming strategies and that's why most anti-MGTOW "arguments" focus on them rather than on the actual idea behind it.

>>134173195
I get what you mean. It's just the go-to argument these days. It's popular to ignore men and pretty much insult them in public, whether they are right or not.

>>134172147
You're a fucking moron. Meet more girls besides the ones you masturbate to on facebook you fucking Nerd. Get fit, dress better, eat better, clean yourself and fucking talk to girls like you would a man, be open as fuck don't lie about what you do and don't like, if they don't like you or vice versa then don't fucking cry about it go find another girl. Keeping your feelings bundled in is stupid if the girl you like sexually is a Trump hating, feminist preaching femdom then move on you fucking cuck. Kekistanis always say the stupidest shit. If you're ugly beyond saving then don't drag younger kids into your self pity party. You're destroying the youth. God, MGTOW pisses me more off than coal burners!

>>134163371
Yes, good goy, keep marrying these used up whores who will divorce you and enrich the Marriage & Divorce Industry with your shekels.

>>134172804
Some women are like that others aren't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeoISOpIxrM

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>>134164378
This.

>>134163371
what kind of social engineering doesn't get any funding lol.

Where are the cianiggers? Feminism had shitloads of those.

Where is the media support? Feminism had shitloads of that.

>>134173195
It fucking hurts the youth, you sub human retard. Some fucking pasty acne ridden fuck who can't get laid by Stacey goes on a rant about how marriages fail, so you shouldn't get married or find a girl. Its called a risk something these cucks are scared of. You'd rather be cowards and not have your precious wittle hearts broken and anime action figures lost than creating a family who gives you undying love. Fuck you pathetic fucks, no wonder girls don't want you!

mgtow is an overreaction of blue pilled men who believed in marriage, wage slavism etc.
you have to learn to trust your guts and be judgemental and undo the brainwashing of "unconditional loving".

>>134173866
Thanks for proving exactly what was said earlier in the thread.

According to your argument, these people were never of any relevance to the dating/marriage market anyway, so why get so unreasonably angry at them?

>>134173665
>anime
Good thing no girl likes you

>>134173427
>don't drag younger kids into your self pity party. You're destroying the youth.

Would only work if people have the feeling that there is any merit to their argument at all.

>Nazi flag
>constant raging
>only insults
You are the Klinefelter guy, aren't you?

>>134174006
You dip shit. They teach other people, mostly teens to avoid women! The idea behind it is that it hurts mostly whites and society! I wouldn't expect you to know that since you're probably a knuckle dragging cave dweller!

Jews are professionals at dividing their enemy. The masses keep falling for it.

>>134173527
Did that happen to you? Did you marry a used up whore?

>>134163371
Women often do anti-mgtow shilling by first claiming to not be feminists and that feminism is bad.

This is objectively true. So you rationally agree

What they do next is to say that Mgtow is the male version of feminism. They do not quantify this because they are hoping you will agree with them on principle as they have just demonstrated virtue.

Essentially they hope you just keep nodding your head.

Throughout history, 2 women have genetic legacy for every 1 man that does. So if 80% of women succesfully managed to have offspring only 40% of men did.

MGTOW is a fantastic option for men of all stripes. It reduces your competition. It saves your from women's emotional manipulations. It protects your wallet and reproductive rights (as best as can be done in the current environment) and is also the most powerful way to combat social marxism and female supremacy.

You could go Mgtow until feminism fails, then swoop in to scoop up the rewards. Going your own way is not necessarily a permanent choice.

The only people who should be worried are governments and women who both really need to be taken down by a lot of notches.

They need you more than you need them.

>>134165848
>Women won't be needed anymore after artificial wombs are built.
I was reading about that not too long ago. Apparently it's a real thing. What will they think of next?

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>>134164512
>gynocentric

>>134173545
Thus let's not paint the world only in one color.

>>134174138
Most men ask girls out not vice versa, some kid who doesn't get asked out by girls gets told by a YouTube or some fucking MGTOW faggot that its because women are all evil and that marriage is a sham will think it's true. I understand its hard to eat a well balanced meal, lift, shower, sleep, and brush your teeth when you got far more important things to do like polish your anime figures, microwave hot pockets, masturbate and cry about girls on the internet!

>>134174467
>nothing but ad hominem
>>134174173
>muh white race
Yeah, you are the XXY abomination.

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Some may point to Trump and say it's time for american men at least to pitch in.

These people likely do not understand that america will very likely witness a recession within the next 12 months. Many indicators of growth are slowing down and some of them such as the Auto-Loan bubble will go negative later this year at their current trajectory.

It's too late to save the system. Get out and protect yourself.

>>134163371
MGTOW is reactionary to the affects of feminism and more specifically the growth of the state and the interference in the family unit.

The thing is even if you think the j00s are responsible for feminism, it doesn't change the fact that men are making rational choices by going their own way.

If you want to ask men to do something against their best interest, like take on the legal and financial burden of women and a family, you'd have to give them a damn good reason. And the problem is that there isn't one, this natsoc paranoia bullshit, no one cares about it.

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>>134172921
MGTOW is basically going Galt.

>>134174525
Stop responding to bait.

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>>134168009
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

>>134163438
>women being mothers and practicing fidelity causes men to not want to involve themselves with them
Lolwut

>>134167121
The reaction isn't emotional at all, it's completely rational, in fact to reject women on a broader level goes against your biology and emotion. It means giving up that which you're programmed to seek instinctively.

To say this is emotional is backwards, it could not be more calculated.

>>134173545
She's infertile.

Most young women have resources showered on them. None of them are raised by parents who mandate that they overcome challanges through logic and rational reasoning.

Instead girls rely on their cuteness appeal, later their sexual appeal to overcome challenges. Less than a percent of women in their fertile youth have been raised even slightly properly.

If she won't give you her best years of fertility and sexual appeal, don't give her your best years of financial strength and security.

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>>134174572
FINALLY

>>134173866
Those pasty nerds reduce competition for your women. This is a good thing you fucking moron.

Also if men pull out of the system it will fail and fascism will have it's chance.

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>>134173427
>Man up
>Everything's fucked, but just Man up since that will solve the problem

>Hey Anon, Man up and play Russian Roulette. Everyone's doing it! MAN UP!!!

ProTip: Shaming language doesn't work on MGTOWs. You need to start fixing society and taking away women's rights if you want MGTOW to go away.

You're more afraid of saying "No" to women than letting civilization be destroyed by Shitskin invaders.

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>>134174738
>genetic suicide
>rational

>>134166079
Sounds like you havent had sex enough

I'm sick of MGTOW betas. At least feminists are segregated on tumblr and hack channels like FemFreq. There's so fucking many of these genetic dead-ends that now you have channels like Molyneux, Lauren southern, Sargon of Cuckad, Laci Green and many many others just making shit about how women are all whores and le exquisite nice guy MGTOW is the provider they truly need. More channels every day because it's easy money. These chicks are guaranteed bucks if you say MGTOW are great guys and women are all sluts.

I've never encountered a MGTOW who wasn't a completely oblivious fanny with zero self awareness and/or ugly/short

>>134174326
I agree that SOME women pretend to be anti-mgtow to get attention.
>So if 80% of women succesfully managed to have offspring only 40% of men did.
So you are concerned for the propagation of your genes but mgtow says you shouldnt propagate your genes becaouse men have always, throughout the history of menkind, gotten the shorter end of the stick compared to women.

>>134174956
What the fuck are you talking about. Shooting yourself and dating a girl are far different things! Even if we took women's rights away you'd still have no girlfriend. You're sad and pathetic. Ad hominems are good because its like fat shaming! Man up! Be a fucking man! Women are inferior and can be manipulated! Stop being lazy and a wimp! The only one you have to blame is yourself not women!

>>134175044
Then why are you worried?

less competition for you.

>>134174956
You can basically give up on trying to talk to that guy. He's a genetic abomination, which clearly also left some mark on his psyche. All you'll get as reply to your posts are further ad hominem

>>134168469
Love it when people assert the motivations of other people, it always tells us more about the inner workings of that persons mind, than the group their commenting on. Massive amounts of projection.

End of the day, there's no rational argument here, there's just shaming language. MGTOW are men who made a conscious choice to live based on their own rules and standards, and part of that choice is to ignore the pressure society puts on men to behave in ways which are against our best interest.

So this whole "hurrrr MGTOW are just pussies, they're nerds, they're just angry, it's just a circle jerk" etc, it's not going to work.

It's like trying to put out a fire with a flamethrower, it's just not going to work, if you have a rational argument then make it, otherwise you're just wasting your breath.

>>134174540
I am saying that instead of giving up men should fight against the system, men going their own way is the path of least resistance, that is way they are choosing mgtow.

>>134175515
You fags demoralise other men that might actually be useful and reproduce. It'd be nice if you helped yourself but most of you are lost causes.

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fucking damn, why is /po/l full of whiteknights

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>>134163371
In a world full of eggheads....... we need more Elliot Rodgers

>>134174746
She is infertile, which means that there is no reason for her to fight against feminism, and still she does.

>>134175771
>I am saying that instead of giving up men should fight against the system

It has been mentioned multiple times in this thread that striking against a system is the fastest way to change it, assuming you reach a sufficient amount of participants.

Meanwhile you have never mentioned even once what you mean when you say "fight the system". Please tell me how you would, for example, get the system to make no fault divorces and claims to alimony mutually exclusive. That would already be a massive step forward.

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>>134175044
>just making shit about how women are all whores
All women ARE whores. Hypergamy is built into their DNA. It's part of evolution. It's why we need strict controls on women's rights and sexuality for society to function.

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>>134173427
U mad roastie?

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>>134172804
How dare you insult the living deity among slaves.

>>134174572
yes cause those are the reasons why feminism is being teached at schools and universities and why the government is on the side of the feminist, It's not like the elite owns universities, the government and the media.

>>134171355
>implying that the average roastie would make a good mother

>>134171355
Robots might eventually be able to take care of children. We could also have the gay effeminate men take care of the children, in a hypothetical male-only society.

>>134163371
MGTOW realizes womens hypergamous nature, looks at how feminists have increased womens financial requirements of men while simultaneously making women bring less to the table (not a domestic housewife, not a babysitter, probably slept with several guys).

MGTOW says this is bullshit, either women stop expecting men to have more assets if they so badly want (((equality))) or women go back to being traditionalist. MGTOW is actually not our enemy.

The alt light and the alt right despise it as they both worry that it will decrease birth rates further, letting globalists justify more third world immigration, but MGTOW is probably the greatest weapon against feminism and modern female whores, it simply highlights how women demand more and more from men while playing the victim, while providing nothing in return.

>>134170676
It's banned in Germany, though.

>>134174688
madonna/whore complex. it's very real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqx2rHldDbM

Much of this thread in video.

>>134175461
mgtow does not actually say that you shouldn't propogate your genes. It says that the system is rigged and that you shouldn't play a rigged game.

If the game weren't rigged I guarantee Mgtow would vanish very quickly. Because Mgtow is a reaction to injustice.

>>134175771
Mgtow is actually one of the most potent ways to fight the system. Avoiding giving women your money means starving the system.

Producing only enough wealth for your own comfort starves the system.

Ironically the path of least resistance is one of the most potent ways to fight the system short of armed revolt. That's how you know feminists really dun goofed.

>>134176677
Too bad...
But when people get their dick chopped off in Taiwanese hospitals, surely I can get some eggs implanted to a surrogate mom as well.

We'll see what the future brings, I'm still young.

>>134176054
The point is that no one even tries to come up with a plan instead they demonize women, they say women are less intelligent than men, women are easily indoctrinated, so i must conclude that men are responsible for this mess.

>>134163371
MGTOW is the only way to fly in the modern world. You can rationalize it away all you want, but I'll be living a happy life, while you are still a miserable slave to women.

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>>134173427
sure niger. I saw my father fucked, paying child support for a child that turned out not to be his after 20 years. I am MGTOW and your gabage sahming tacticks do not work. same as calling me racist sexit or what ever the fuck. we don't care any more. fuck off worthless cunt

>>134177036
>The point is that no one even tries to come up with a plan

They did, the plan is to collapse the system by withholding the resources that keep it alive. If they'll succeed is another question.

Meanwhile, you are completely dodging my point and against just going "there approach won't work!" without proposing any alternative.

>>134176607
This. Many Mgtow could probably be converted if we demonstrated that the system were more fair under new management.

All you have to do is say that until the free market creates artificial wombs, a civilisation MUST be either a soft patriarchy (1950s), a hard patriarchy (Islam) or a feminist shithole (today) and that there are no other viable models until we succesfully automate women.

>>134176363
>implying that he would make a good father

>>134176607
>MGTOW realizes womens hypergamous nature

Not even sure if it goes that far.

The main point is rather that modern marriage is nothing but a contract - women sell their reproductive capabilities to a man in exchange for financial security. And the state throws in some incentives like tax breaks because every women that's married is a women the state doesn't have to take care of.

And then the state gave them the option to unilaterally break the contract at any point in time for no reason at all while the other side has to continue to fulfill their obligations.

>>134173427
What a flamboyant stormcuck.
Now tell me this. Right now there are FEW FUCKING TIMES LESS worthy females than there are men who want these females. "Find a good woman" is not an answer because there isnt enough of them for everyone no matter how hard they try, isnt even enough of them for half of men. What are men for whom no such female left supposed to do, chase used up whore hags, raise wife's son and pay alimony? No stormcuck ever gave a definite answer to that question, perhaps you'll be first.

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>>134163371
Has anyone seen an a MGTOW that is not a hideous autistic omega male loser?

>>134176557
Male-only society where did i hear that agian? ah yes from the hardcore feminist who want a female-only society.

>>134163371
When resources were scarce, humans were polygamous, women would compete with other females to manipulate a man using sex into giving her his resources.

Then resources became easier to acquire, the beta uprising happened. Monogamy was created as more men could acquire resources and they didn't like the alphas hoarding all the pussy. This meant however that the whores (women) had less competition, meaning less reason to please their husbands.

As resources became even easier to acquire, women began thinking they no longer needed to please their men in order to acquire them, they instead thought "hey I can work just like a man does!". With economic freedom, women had even less reason to please their men, and stated they would no longer be domestic housewives, and babysitters; "we can live just like men!".

Bit by bit, women had began throwing away their value as wives, but unfortunately, they still desired men who had more resources than they did. When women entered the workforce however, they still liked men who had more than money and assets than they did (due to their hypergamous nature). Women had actually simultaneously increased their requirements in a husband, while throwing away their qualities as a wife.

MGTOW says this is bullshit. This is just the tip of the iceberg, without getting into how the system favors women.

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>>134177387
2/10

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>>134177451
That's not an answer go back to r/mgtow

>>134177122
Don't be a dumbass like your father, and get to actually know what you're dumping cum into before your friendship/relationship turns sexual. If your father's situation is truly the most relevant foundation upon which you build your idea of women as a whole, then you probably need to get out and start living your own life and stop living in his shadow like a worthless fucking retard. Man up or an hero.

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Why does /pol/ want to demonize the one thing men can do to not get scammed and cucked by (((feminists)))?

Most MGTOW are fully red pilled and fully awake it is pure insanity to get married in these current times. Surely you can understand this?

>>134177513
that's not an argument go back to neogaf

>>134177387
Like most political activism, people involved are not going to be the top of the heap

Most MGTOW are just quietly living better lives than the rest of you suckers

>>134163371
Cause: Feminism
Action: MGTOW

Know the difference, it might save your life.

>>134177396
Mostly correct.

Monogamy was a method of plugging beta men into the matrix.

The alpha male could produce x amount of wealth.

Women can only produce 0.1x wealth and have to constantly stop to have kids

betas and providers can still produce 0.7-0.9x wealth.

Those resources were the result of sexual restraint. Sexual restraint didn't come about because of abundance. Abundance breeds rabbit like mating patters. Quantity over quality and no parental investment.

>>134177545
Guys who are against MGTOW are often virgins with no experience with women, so they have no idea how bad it really is

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>>134177569
I don't think normal people join some cringy gay virginity cult on reddit to pretend they are celibate by choice

>>134177263
It does go that far, we are at a point in human history, where there is an abundance of resources. The sad reality is that women no longer need men for resources. Women at this point in history will always demand economic freedom, while demanding that men still earn more. MGTOW says either you be traditionalist and give us a deal worthwhile like what men used to get, or we have this true (((equality))) you whores have been moaning about for the past 60 years and you stop demanding more from men. MGTOW does oppose how the state has fucked marriage at mens expense, but that is why they are trying to make women accept guys who earn more than themselves. By doing so, women will actually be forced to experience the pain of alimony that men have been experiencing for decades, simultaneously highlighting how modern women, not just feminists, are hypocritical whores.

>>134177545
it's a way to divide white men and women
(((MGTOW))) are failures and losers wanting an excuse not to engage with women
video games, sports cars etc will not fulfill you like providing for a family
that's what a man does: PROVIDE for others
if you don't like it, tough shit

>>134177709
MGTOW is not a cult, it's a choice you make of how to live your life

You don't go to MGTOW meetings, you don't get a membership card, you just do it

>>134177520
Pffff i was in Long term reationships. Not worth it.

Man up be a hero. fuck off. women are childrent and are incapable of real love. It's a fact. I rtaher have robo waifu

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>>134177036
The men who allowed women the right to vote are the ones who fucked things up.
Now that women vote you have a majority of women (50%), and all the manginas who go along with the women (25%.)

Because of this politicians, media, and society all cater to women, and this makes fixing the society impossible, with exceptions.

The exceptions are through violent revolution (unrealistic,) societal collapse (MGTOW,) or being conquered by a patriarchy (Islam.)

At the end of the day women will lose their rights, but are we going to allow Islam and Shitskins to do it, or will we do it on our own terms so there's a society and people left we can salvage to rebuild a bigger and better society/future.

We can also fix things with robot waifus, and artificial wombs, but it's unknown how that will impact society since it's never been done before.

>>134177744
>that's what a man does: PROVIDE for others

Said like a great obedient slave

>>134177545
I dont understand why MGTOW feel the need to convince others.
GET MARRIED! If you want to become MGTOW the hard way just get married and see for yourself. I can only ask that when you get divorced and kill yourself you pull a punisher.

>>134177820
but it's true
women provide a home and children
men provide income and security
it's our duties as members of our societies
don't be a selfish cunt

>>134177545
a lot of them are emotionally invested into a woman and don't want to hear anything that could lessen their opinion of them. which is totally normal.
there's still a good chance it will end with "told you so" though

>>134177799
I'll take the drinker if I have to pick one.
She's not the hottest but she's the one with the most fixable issue.

>>134177868
>women provide a home and children
the entire point of mgtow is that a significant portion of them don't.
if they actually did that no one would complain

>>134177744
Thats what a man does. Toil his whole life. and go into 96% divorce rate marrige where woman take more than half of yor shit and your kids. Great fagot. If the system was not fucked up there would be no MGTOW, Simple. So intead of shitting on MGTOW you could try to help the system

>>134177868
>women provide a home and children

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>134174242
That's all that's out there, virgin.

>>134177545
If they were fully red pilled they'd realise they have no purpose and no future.

>>134177178
I honestly don't know what the future holds, the thing is, relationships do have a practical purpose, procreation (both genders), sex (predominately men) and security and resources (women). When these things can be artificially created, which they inevitably will, the reason for men and women to get in relationships themselves may actually disappear. It will either be utopic, or dystopic. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it yet. For example the upcoming sexbot revolution will destroy womens value by a huge degree. Guys go to huge lengths for sex, giving away all of their assets and making concessions. When guys don't need women for it anymore will guys begin to treat women more coldly?

>>134177744
>it's a way to divide white men and women
Implying that has not already happened thanks to decades of (((feminsm)))?

>PROVIDE for others
Provide doesn't mean getting scammed and raped by the (((legal system))) when the marriage goes tits up.

>if you don't like it, tough shit
You might be happy being a cuck but most men have pride.

>>134177868
>women provide a home and children
You mean women buy a home?

>>134170676
Two parent household is absolutely crucial to developing a person of at least mediocre quality. I can't take this shit seriously, in the back of my mind I know that the only men who make decisions to do this are either pedo freaks or contrarian degenerates who solely want to make a point that women are obsolete, while ignoring the impact that single parenthood is going to have on their child's life. Total narcissism and delusion. If your genes aren't quality enough to attract a woman in reality, then you definitely need to keep those genes to yourself, genius.

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Friendly reminder that a lot of the (((MGTOW))) shilling is done by /lgbt/ sodomite shills and other sexual deviants who want to sabotage relations between men and women

>>134177868
But the point is that all that can be taken from you in an instant when your woman has a bad period and there is nothing you can legally do to stop her.

>>134177643
>Monogamy was a method of plugging beta men into the matrix.
Not exactly like that. You can maybe be weak, but you are not supposed to be "beta" in modern definition. By natural order of things, you are supposed to kill rival males (or be killed if you arent good) and beat females into submission. Monogamy was implemented to stop this infighting and basically resulted in creation of human civilization. Now that it has been discarded, it's gonna be fun. Just look at muslim world that accepts polygamy, they literally cant stop being fucked by western psyops because of how easy society full of frustrated males explodes.

>>134178107
Yes good goy, keep giving all your time, money and energy to women, be a good slave

ignoring women isn't hatred of women

>>134178047
>a home is a house

>>134176968
>Avoiding giving women your money means starving the system.
How does that starve the system? How is Goldman sachs for example going to suffer because of that. That money will simply be relocated somwhere else, in one way or the other.
>Producing only enough wealth for your own comfort starves the system.
In this system you don't decide how much wealth you produce, it's the company you work for and the economy that decides. Unless you stop working.

>>134177787
I didn't say be a hero. I said become an hero.

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>>134178195
Found the sodomite abomination. Of course it has the (((lolbertarian))) flag.

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>>134163371
This thread stinks of beef curtains straight out of RB's

>>134178072
>attracting a woman
>keeping a woman
Two very different things, every idiot can attract a woman, either by looks, by playing a monkey or having money. Divorce comes 10 years after that. It amuses me how every young couple think they going to last forever, but then they get bored with time licking each other and it breaks apart with all that child/property tragedy.

>>134178287
Are you mad that you keep supporting women while I fuck them?

Your life must be pure pain, the life of a slave.

>>134177744
show me a woman orth breeding tha twill actually take good care of my fucking house.
Been dating this girl for 3 years now and she wonders why I haven't popped the question. One day I will counter with, why don't you ever clean the god damned house?

>>134178230
Not always, in many /pol/ cases it's a trailer or basement or shitty tiny apartment.

>>134177643
>Sexual restraint didn't come about because of abundance.

How were women willing to get with guys on an individual basis if their weren't more resources? My thought was that the betas began to acquire resources enough to support their own families and this in return resulted in them uprising for monogamy as a way to ensure they could get laid.

>>134178359
If your woman doesn't even cleans then you seriously are in hopeless relationship.

>>134177103
Then why are you here if you are happy, that doesn't seem the behaviour of a happy men.

>>134178429
Keep posting memes, I'm sure it will make your miserable life better.

>>134178160
pretty sure that was more or less anon's argument, too. if you want a stable society, you need to give most men in it a good reason to care about the state of society. the best way to do that is to give them a good chance to have a family (and keep it)

>>134178247
women make like 30% of the money. BUT SPEND 70%! If you don't have a wife you spend way less money thus starving the system. coz you don't provide money for a woman to spend.

>>134178460
>Then why are you here if you are happy

Is everyone on 4chan supposed to be miserable? I take great joy out of shitposting.

>>134177820
>>134178195
I love how you're trying to frame doing a man's job as a bad/embarrassing thing. Nice try but it doesn't really have the effect you want on trads.

>>134178543
>doing a man's job

So apparently a modern man's job is to be a slave to a woman and get nothing of value in return.

>>134178297
Gross oversimplification of human relationships. Relationships can be sustained if there are deeply held values intact, namely traditional values. The mentality inside of the echo chamber you subscribe to isn't indicative of reality, it's just a hole where bitter men who were wronged by their own dumbass choices bitch about divorce and omega males patiently gobble it up in order to justify their own utter ineptitude at playing the game of life.

>>134177148
So they are going stop the import/extraction of oil and other minerals? I didn't know they where that powerfull.

>>134178543
>trads
what the fuck is a trad? is that another term from the reddit transplants liek their incel shit?

>>134178247
It only hurts the system if people as a whole spent less, less spending less tax, less businesses earn money, more layoffs etc. The most it results in is a depression. I don't see how not spending as a whole though does much either. The only way you can truly destroy the system is to replace it entirely with something more efficient. Which isn't happening.

>>134178591
>modern
The time has nothing to do with it, we haven't evolved in thousands of years.

>>134178591
this

>>134178535
because /pol/ is interesting, you sad sack

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>>134163371

>>134178641
>haha, look at me, if I just grossly misinterpret your argument it surely becomes meaningless

Good luck keeping the welfare system alive when people don't overproduce wealth anymore, simply because they don't need to.

>>134164529
>his dick can't snap women out of feminism
top kek

>>134178613
Relationship is basically you going on vacation with your woman and do stuff with your woman while she cleans and cooks. That's the most basic model of relationship. Once you stop driving her around or she stops doing her duty, then it's over.

>>134178643
I was too lazy to type traditional men. I do agree it sounds fucking gay to write trads though, I'll never do it again.

>>134178739
ah, okay.

>>134178453
Tell me about it.

>>134165023
>Puts all MGTOW in one groups while accusing them of doing the exact same thing

Found the roastie

>>134178483
Oh you mean starve WOMEN of our money. Yes this is why you should go MGTOW. More and more women talk of not being able to find a wealthy man to marry and how it's such an injustice to these "independent" women. A successful independent man who doesn't white knight or act like women are equal is a womens worst enemy.

>>134178695
1. We have evolved, although not much.

2. What has changed is the culture and laws.

The modern culture and laws make it so modern relationships are parasitic. The woman takes from the man and gives nothing of value in return and this is applauded by culture and enforced by law.

>>134178613
Only an idiot nosedives into a rigged game. Life doesn't have to be about becoming an eternal cuck.

>>134178858
So what, the times are shit but what you're suggesting offers me no reason to exist.

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>>134178858
https://nkilsdonkgervais.wordpress.com/2017/05/04/when-men-pay-taxes-women-become-promiscuous/

>>134178916
Wait you live solely to serve (((feminist))) indoctrinated women?

>>134178916
Life is what you make of it.

You can find purpose in anything, if you want to be a slave to women, go for it, but don't tell us we didn't warn you.

Personally I'm more of a hedonist, but I also think of myself as pushing society in the right direction with my actions. The more men that drop out, the more women are left without resources, and they will slowly be forced to conform or never get what they want out of the deal.

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>>134178916
dude no wonder your country is going to shit with the feminist bullshit nany state.

Where are the bogans ...

>>134178695
We have, in a relationship sense evolved, in a technological sense too we have evolved. Monogamy came about with an abundance of resources, now you have women getting jobs as they no longer need to rely on men for resources. Soon sexbots will be so high tech men will no longer need to please real women in order to get laid. Traditional relationships are simpler, but trying to enforce something like that in this day and age with such an abundance of resources is very difficult. It is asking women to continue to rely on men. You are always going to have women who say no, meaning a percentage of women will always be demanding more and more from men.

what if you hate women because you've never had gf and only fucked women below your league?

>>134176059
It's the same guy in that picture.

>>134178734
A relationship is two people [preferably man and woman] coming together to deal with living in this world together as a single unit. What ever goals that are set within that are to be tackled together. Meaning one earns the resources to survive and the other manages the home. Alone both tasks require too much time. As one both can be achieved with spare time to spend raising a family.

Faggots these days only think it's about getting laid or going and doing spontaneous shit. Driving her around. That will never last forever. It's impossible to keep a woman entertained 24/7 for the rest of your life. Especially when you have kids. This is usually the time she gets bored and starts getting blacked if it didn't already happen, then she gets to be a single mom instead.

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>>134179179
what if you are used up bitter roastie cunt?

>>134179004
This. If women can say my body, my choice, men should say my money my choice. If women want to be parasitic whores who leach off men at mens expense, then men should have a legal say over what happens in that relationship and that woman, in the same way a woman has the legal power to kill another human body because the birth is at her expense.

>>134179175
>You are always going to have women who say no
Incoming sharia laws gonna fix that for you.

>>134179366
how can I be a roastie? There's no stigma against men who sleep around

>>134179388
Root cause for the dislike of MGTOW. Money. When you're not spending it on women or state, it's bad.

>>134179388
>If women can say my body, my choice, men should say my money my choice.

Yup. Once men realize that it is actually women who want what they have, not the other way around, things will start changing.

>>134179290
>Meaning one earns the resources to survive and the other manages the home.
No, both have to pay, but if one doesn't has money, the other should pay. If both have money they should definitely both pay.
>Faggots these days only think it's about getting laid or going and doing spontaneous shit.
Of course you not going to stay with a woman who parties alone, that's never going to work out, which is why i said that you should be taking her out on vacation and do stuff with her.
>It's impossible to keep a woman entertained 24/7 for the rest of your life.
That all depends what entertains her, you could be entertained by grass or birds, some women are never happy. You know you made a bad pick when your woman doesn't enjoys her native country, native town and home.

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>>134179495
>Incoming sharia laws gonna fix that for you.
Islam will be taken over by Feminism in the next 10-30 years. It's already starting to happen in pockets. Islam will be as cucked as Christianity is today by then.

>>134179290
It isn't just hedonistic fags however. There is actually less of a need for women to rely on men, yet they continue to aswell as raising their standards. Women expect men to earn more, go to work get a job, that expectation still remains. Find some simp, get married, she ends up outperforming in the workplace and becomes the breadwinner, she no longer finds him attractive, divorces him and takes his assets. Women are parasitic whores and we men allow it purely because we want sex. There is nothing a woman can give you a fellow man can't other than sex and a kid and bankruptcy.

>>134177799
>The men who allowed women the right to vote are the ones who fucked things up.
Now that women vote you have a majority of women (50%).
Again ~40% of women voted for Trump.
>Because of this politicians, media, and society all cater to women, and this makes fixing the society impossible.
That's not how it is, politicians, the media, universities are owned by the elite, first came the indoctrination through these institutions then the followers.

>>134179575
We really need to get the "My Money My Choice" slogan going.

>>134179638
Then places where it had happened will be subdued by people from where it hadnt. Feminism makes society laughably weak, to the point where it can be conquered by 85IQ apemen from middle east whose only power is still having some balls.

>>134179570
Exactly. Calling out women for being overpriced whores and deciding not to spend shitloads of money and time simply for sex makes us bad. I understand the demographic problem with birth rates and the nuclear family. But the nuclear family died with women entering the workforce.

>>134178000
Did she become a whore before or after having a relationship with you? That makes a big difference.

>>134175006
What is rational about propagating your own genetics?

>>134175771
Because fighting incurs a cost, you're right in some ways MGTOW is the path of least resistance, although let's not discount that going against your own sexual biology is no trivial thing.

Most MGTOW are OK with this, the fight simply isn't worth it, that's just a rational trade off you have to make, as another anon pointed out, it's a risk/benefit and cost/benefit analysis, and for some men that analysis fails.

>>134165857
Feminists are women who can't stay put in home and always need to go out somewhere to try new things. It's hard to keep up with this mentality as a man, since why should a woman go out more than once per week? Then you feel like a dog if you have to walk behind your woman constantly. MGTOW are on other hand men who don't want to go anywhere at all where women go, not even once.

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>>134179860
It's happening to low IQ areas already. India is already the most Feminist country on the planet right now. Actually exporting Feminism to the 3rd World would be a good thing so we can reduce fertility in those countries.

Watch these Indians White Knight after a guy defends himself from being slapped by a woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4akMaeZ0-k

>>134180121
All women are whores. You cannot be hypergamous (sleep with someone for their assets) and not be a whore.

>>134180121
Wow, how novel. Shaming tactics rather than reasoning at play.

You're either a woman, or an effeminate male who thinks himself a "real man".

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>>134180216
Indians are completely retarded cucks, no wonder they dive in sewers.

>>134178535
In other words, we shouldn't take you seriously.

>>134165857
Many people turn MGTOW after a bad experience with women, many turn MGTOW through finding the movement. MGTOW men do not bend to females whims, quite the opposite. MGTOW dislikes that women demand equality yet are still hypergamous whores who expect men to earn more and believe that they are entitled to a mans assets. They see the system and courts help women sustain this mentality, so they say I'm not settling down with some whore. MGTOW aren't necessarily against sex, or relationships, but only if they are getting a good deal. There is nothing retarded about this.

>>134177868
How is Jamals cock Sven?

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>>134178072
The dude in the article never claimed otherwise. Having kids this way ensures that will not get raped in family court and will get custody of the kids. He's a successful guy it would seem. If he got a vasectomy after having the two kids he could surely find them a great woman with no real power in the household to cause drama.

>>134178715
I didn't mean to annoy you. But you can always leave this thread.

>>134168469
woman writing in a nutshell

>>134177036
It should be made clear that MGTOW isn't here to fix the problems of the world, it's men putting themselves first and looking after number one and letting wider society fend for itself.

MGTOW men are generally OK with the state of the world to continue as long as they are free to opt out of marriage and fatherhood without any measures too punitive. Men throughout history have been just fine being alone.

Maybe in future we'll see extreme bachelor taxes and possibly then we'll need to fight back, but right now men who have gone their own way seem to be generally happy letting this mess fall down around them, as long as they're protected from punitive measures.

That ever happens I'll uproots and go live in another country, no skin off my nose.

>>134178717
The day you don't overproduce wealth you are simply going to have to pay more for the same stuff. The welfare system will be alive even if you don't marry a woman (which isn't even the argument of this thread)

>>134177036
Women have been demonizing men for years painting us as useless bumbling fools while they suck our wallets dry. And for the record men do have higher IQ than women and women actually are more conformist than men. They are facts. Stating that men are responsible for the mess that is feminism, a movement that was started by jewish women, simply because men state these facts is retarded beyond belief.

>>134180414
in every analysis of a given event one has to determine the factors that could interfere/interact with said event thus changing its nature through space and time. So how is a logical question to determine the state of said event after a interference with the event a shaming tactic?

>>134181174
Then the existence of mgtow is obsolete. There is no reason for a person to listen to sometimes houres long videos if all they wanted is to go their own way.