Is the "Trump colluded with Russia" rhetoric finally dead?

>>134161471
Only sexless virgins think its dead.

>>134161471
it's transformed so much from its start that it's obv in its death throes.
It's like when global warming became climate change. Now "russia hacked the election" has become "Don Jr. met with a Russian."

>>134161471
only if you get your news from /pol/

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>>134161814
Think again cuck

>>134161750
it's almost like new evidence comes out every week of collusion. This shit's an embarrassment to our country and our party

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>>134161901
what evidence?

>>134161891

1. MSNBC's visitors are almost all Americans, whereas 4chan's are not. People from foreign countries do not matter when it comes to U.S. politics.

2. That's visiting 4chan, not /pol/ specifically. Don't believe anyone is getting real political news on /a/, /b/, /v/, etc.

>>134162129
Stop being a faggot

>>134161901
> our party
> concern trolling
fucking weak

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>>134161901
>it's almost like baseless claims of new evidence comes out every week of collusion.

FTFY, sirrah.

>>134162903
how is trump junior's emails not proof that there was some attempt at russian involvement. He literally tweeted them out himself like an idiot. I'm not saying there was a crime committed but it seems like this administration is covering shit up.

>>134161901
Evidence such as?

>>134163017
>I'm not saying there was a crime committed
stop typing kid

>>134163080
>Kushner undisclosed meeting with kislyak to set up a back channel
>kushner later meets with a sanctioned russian bank
>trump jr tweets out emails admitting to wanting to get damaging information on the clintons.

>>134163017
She won the popular vote. If there was Russian involvement, it literally means all of Trump's votes weren't counted.

Jr tweeting the emails shows transparency and that he gleaned nothing of use regarding Hillary from the meeting. If he had, we would have heard about it literally a year ago.

>>134163017
>There are allegations of potential collusion
>Don Jr releases emails showing no unlawful doing
>"There must be unlawful collusion!"

Whatever Trump is hiding, I dont think it's any worse than the shit Hillary, Podesta, Cheney, Bush, Obama and all the fucking swamp creatures have been doing for decades.

Trump was right, he could shoot someone in the street and I still want him in office. Better than the alternative.

>>134163179
We get to watch the legal process play out. Stop being a brainwashed faggot.

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>>134163017
>Russian involvement
How was Russia involved? The Russian at the meeting was not with the government, was anti-Trump, worked for FusionGPS (the firm behind the piss dossier), and had an expired Visa yet was still let into the country by Loretta Lynch's DOJ.

Also, DNC fundraisers were sending around pictures of her house the day she met with Don Jr. Very strange.

>>134163393
You are incredibly dumb. Loyal abc news watcher i bet

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>>134162129
>people from foreign countries do not matter in US politics

>muh russia

LMAO

>>134163287
>kushner later meets with a sanctioned russian bank
Kushner's a faggot who received $250,000,000 from George fucking Soros, you can hang him for all I care. It doesn't show any collusion between Trump and Russia unless any unreported dealings Kushner made were used to aid the Trump campaign, which they were not.

>trump jr tweets out emails admitting to wanting to get damaging information on the clintons.
Nothing about that is wrong or collusion, it had no connection to the Russian government. Ukrainian government, on the other hand, confessed to aiding Hillary.

>Kushner undisclosed meeting with kislyak to set up a back channel
Ah yes, Kislyak, the man who sat only with DNC members during Trump's first Address to Congress. The one Russian Ambassador that Obama didn't kick out when he sent 35 home.

All there is to this story is the DNC mafia trying to plant info and failing hard. The law is against you.

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>>134163017
>it's almost like new evidence comes out every week of collusion
>I'm not saying there was a crime committed

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It will never die because it's an easy story that needs little backup to sell

>TRUMP AND RUSSIA COLLUDED
>we don't have hard evidence cuz dey turbo spys n sheet, Don lemon up next

>>134163668
Random foreigners' opinions on US politics, Russian or not, has nothing to do with colluding with the a foreign government. The whole story is bullshit, but don't conflate them as if they are similar at all.

Especially since everyone's opinion on this site is practically worthless in reality.

>>134164111
Talk for yourself nigger, you don't know what I do.

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>>134164111
depends which "reality" you choose.

>>134161471
It's not going away. Every time it even calms down a little, we learn something new and it comes right back into the public consciousness. Maybe if Trump and his family would actually stop digging themselves deeper, there would be a chance it could be put to bed.

>>134161750
"Russia hacked the election" was never the story. That's what Trumpists claimed everybody was saying because we all know it's false. "Russia hacked the DNC to help Trump, and we're trying to figure out if Trump was complicit" is the less-sexy, but actually true story. And now, it's also "did members of the Trump campaign break the law by accepting help from a foreign government during the campaign?"

Whatever the new question/accusation is, it doesn't mean the old one went away. It's because we learned some other, new, ridiculous thing a Trump or Trump surrogate did. And they won't stop doing them, in spite of themselves.

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>>134164341
>Russia hacked the DNC

>>134164341
>It's not going away. Every time it even calms down a little, we learn something new and it comes right back into the public consciousness. Maybe if Trump and his family would actually stop digging themselves deeper, there would be a chance it could be put to bed.

What about this new meeting with Putin?Trump says everyone was invited and the press knew.

>>134163325
It's not whether he got any info in the meeting. It's a crime if he attended a meeting on the pretense that he would get info on Clinton from a Russian government-associated source.

>>134162129

>that's visiting 4chan, not /pol/ specifically

/pol/ is more active than /b/ and has been for over a year. The site traffic more than doubled during the election and has not gone down

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>>134164341
>we learned
you mean CNN told you that only they were allowed to have access to this info

>>134164341
>>134164499
And what is this fake news that MSM talks about? Did it only affect retards on Facebook?

Holy shit guys! Actual evidence of the president colluding with the Russians! Literally from the president's mouth!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

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>>134161901

>>134164560
So why isn't Jr arrested and charged?

>>134163681
Attending the meeting because he thought he could get info on dad's opponent from a source known to be associated with the Russian government is actually against the law, dude.

>>134163287
>Kushner meets a russian AFTER THE ELECTION IS OVER

Which he wouldnt need to do if they had been colluding all year dumbfuck we moved past that story when dems figured out it disproved muh russia all by itself

>>134164750
So he should be arrested?

itt /pol/ proves it's one person

>>134162129
4chan users are like 75% American, and /pol/ is one of the fastest boards. In the meantime we leak out into all the other boards, and indeed the rest of the internet. :^)

>>134163365
>Whatever Trump is hiding, I dont think it's any worse than the shit Hillary, Podesta, Cheney, Bush, Obama and all the fucking swamp creatures have been doing for decades.

Doesn't come anywhere near their level of depravity. Some backroom deal over an expedited building permit in exchange for some sanction relief or preferential trade status is the worst you can expect. No trafficked kids, no assassinations, no violent regime changes or CIA-backed militias masquerading as a new terrorist group.

At worst, Boeing and Raytheon don't get that next big order for fighter jets and missiles because we're not bombing the some shitty country into dust and spending time and military resources propping it up with a puppet government. And then siccing the next ISIS on them whenever they disobey or cozy up to another foreign power we don't like, flooding the region with more rapefugees. Also, a new hotel or casino might go up in Moscow or Shanghai and eats American tourist dollars. That's literally as worst as it can get.

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>>134164750
Congrats you are faker than CNN

>>134164556
IMO, usually, there's nothing wrong with meeting with Putin.

However... If you try to hide it, don't be surprised when people flip their shit when they find out about it. It looks pretty bad and makes people question your motives. Trump has the common sense of a box of hammers.

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>>134164750

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>>134164499
>Because it was simple and it worked, it didn't happen

Are you retarded?

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Reminder for everyone how far we have come today

>TRUMP GOT RUSSIA TO HACK THE ELECTION
17 agencies going to 3. All based off crowdstrike paid by DNC. Nope

>russians hacked voting machines
Nope. The leak from the independant shows this was an 'analysts guess' and it is confirmed multiple times that no votes changed

>FLYNN!
cleared

>sessions
They got destroyed

>roger stone DM'd guccifer on twitter
After the 'hack' that has been debunked alledgedly took place

>trump server logs
Proven fake

>r-russian t-troll-s working for breitbart?
Nope

>"w-willingness to col c-collude"
Getting oppo research from anyone is not a crime this is just normal campaign shit. This was suppised to be world war three going down remember

>the democrat friendly russian actually did have proof of clinton crimes
And it never got used in the campaign? Sounds like it was nothing if thats the case

Here we are. From grand election hacking scheme all the way down to a manila folder with nothing useful in it handed over by a democrat friendly lawyer.

>>134164731
Because we just have a bunch of circumstantial evidence about it at this point. That's why there's an *investigation* trying to figure all this stuff out, and there is a LOT to sift through. If there is something there, it's a Big Deal and can't be rushed.

>>134164499
>That feel when it was fucking /pol/ who got into his accounts just to shit-post on his twitter and disable his devices.
>Other people probably stole the e-mails.
Why isn't /pol/ being blamed for this?

>>134161471

He just got caught talking to Putin despite it being a National Security breach.

World leaders were laughing at how stupid and brazen Trump is.

>>134161891
Reminder a literal kike runs that account for shekels.

Reminder kikes would sell their own mother for shekels.

Reminder that you couldn't give a kike away never mind sell it so they're stuck with them.

>>134163390
These larpers would be a lot cooler if they weren't so goddamn fat.

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>>134165219
the MSM literally thinks /pol/ is full of Russian hackers

>>134164979
I miss watching news all day, I can't see how their narrative changes by the day or even hour. Don't know what CNN was trying to do, but they showed the clip of Trump saying the Russian lawyer was denied access to the US then given a visa by Lynch.

I've noticed no one is talking about the lawyer, just like every other so called controversy.

>>134161901
Fuck off, McCain

>>134165127
[citation needed]

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>>134165219
lel, i was posting that day. Fuck the lection was fun.

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>>134165367

The Trump Jr. stuff fucked up the "collusion is bullshit" narrative even if there was no collusion.

>we had no contact and no collusion with Russia
>NYT finds out that Trump Jr. met with Russians who say they have damaging info on Clinton from the Russian government
>um well yea we met with them but trust me no info was shared

>>134165546
So if we connect everything, shouldn't we know what info was on Clinton they had or was released?

>>134165546
the US colluded with Russia for Russian elections. Why does anyone give a flying fuck?

>>134165323
24 news is on where I work. "The story" doesn't change. The information evolves, but it all goes back to the same story: Trump thinks business tactics work in government, they don't, some things might actually be illegal, and so he has no idea how to be president.

That's the story as long as you're watching news and not editorial content like Hannity or Carlson, which are just ass-tonguing Trump circlejerks..

>>134165546
I have a feeling trump wants the media to keep going on with this russia shit non stop. It distracts them while he gets shit done. He's dealt with the media all his life and knows how to play them.

>>134165546

> Fucked up the collusion is bullshit narrative

Only if you're a sub-90 IQ retard.

> DRUMPF IS PRACTICALLY OWNED BY PUTIN! CONSTANT COLLUSION! PUTIN OVERTHROW AMERICA FOR DRUMPFFF

> SEE? DON JR MET WITH A NOBODY WHO CLAIMED UH... Hillary.. colluded... with the Russian government... uh... this proves our point go-I mean guys!

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>>134161891
most people who get news from msnbc get it from television?

>>134165725
It proved there was a link, which the Trump camp denied. So not only was there a link but dishonestly about the existence of a link. It looks bad even if there is nothing behind it.

>>134165923

Why the hell would someone who has colluded with the Russian government need to meet a honeypot Dem-friendly Russian lawyer in order to get nothing based on a rumor?

There's no link for exactly that reason.

>>134161471
>two wrongs make a russia

>>134165923
>It looks bad even if there is nothing behind it.
well, we are 7 months in to trumps presidency. You better get cracking on that impeachment only 7.3 years left

>>134165974
It only matters that they DID attend the meeting because they thought they could get some dirt on Clinton.

Don Jr's excuse is basically, "It's not cheating, baby! I met her at the bar, bought her a drink, I went up to her room, got naked, then realized she was only like, a 6 at best, so I left."

>>134166136
You don't have to convince me, I'm just letting you know how it looks to people outside of the_donald

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>>134158692

Which ever side Julian Assange is on, that's where I'll be, and if he says Russia didn't hack the DNC I believe him.

Your are has anonymous sources, no verifiable evidence, and at the end of the day your side wants more globalism and shit like TPP and Paris treaty.

If it turns out Russia had a hand in rigging the election I still wouldn't care because you regressive neolibs lost.

>>134161996

Shit, kill the bard first.

>>134161471
as dead as trump's prospects for re-election

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>>134166202
You mean people that only watch TV news

>>134165902
SHHH don't let them know, next thing you know they'll try to pretend that /pol/ is an hyperactive board that gets 90% of 4chans traffic!

>>134166184

So now we've agreed that there's no real collusion between Trump's campaign and the Russian government, such that the only link is a nothing meeting where oppo research was dangled in front of Don Jr, we can move from the narrative right?

>>134166365
No, we haven't agreed on that at all. That meeting is just one piece of a much bigger problem that winds it's way through the whole Trump clan.

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>>134166202
>I'm just letting you know how it looks to people outside of the_donald
I'm in San Francisco, all we are talking about is how great moonbeam jerry brown is for saving the world with Cap and Trade. Ive been raised amngst the far leftists of berkeley and oakland since birth and let me tell you there isn't much confidence in the russian hacking narrative these days.

>>134166329
or read google news or WaPo or NYT or Buzzfeed or reddit etc etc

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>>134161471
Deader than population of Dresden in February 1945

https://archive.fo/hRd2u

>Hillary Clinton sided with Russia on sanctions as Bill made $500G on Moscow speech

https://archive.fo/BI4PA

>Germany’s Merkel Defends Russian Gas Pipeline Plan

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>>134166487
It must be tired from carrying this narrative so far... You must be sleepy anon, get some rest... So tired time to sleep.... Yes sleep

>>134164499
There's also no proof a Russian (government or not) even did that phishing scam

>>134165974

Look, the point is that it's illegal under the constitution for american citizens to have any dealings with russians. End of story. What Don Jr. did was treason.

>>134166487
Hillary lost because she was a shitty fucken criminal that the people didn't want. Why is that so hard to admit to yourself? It's been like 8 months already and you're still sore about it.

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>>134166748
>>134166487

>>134166763
Fuck, it's good we didn't elect the candidate who was under investigation and constantly embroiled in scandal. That would be a NIGHTMARE.

>>134166942
What investigation would that be?

>>134166942
Yea its too bad Hillary gets a pass by the MSM for all her scandals and shady dealings. Wonder why.,..

>>134166942
nice try DUMBFUCK MSM Brainwashed shill. Hillary IS STILL under investigation by the FBI and should be in jail. The election WAS stolen by from Bernie. There IS NO EVIDENCE trump or anyone in his team ever even met with Russians before during the campaign or sought damaging information about his opponent from a foreign country.

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>>134161891
To all of you retards who actually think you are changing the world by shitposting on /pol/

These are the average post numbers per hour on 4chan /pol/
There are about 5000 new replies per hour
Now lets say that the average user posts 5 new replies per hour (quite a low and plausible number)
It means that at any moment there are only about 1000 - 1200 retards in this echo chamber shitposting. If any major TV news channel has this woeful amount of numbers they would kill themselves and shut their operations down at once.

Yes you are at any moment simply shouting at about 1000 people per hour.
Page visits are fucking misleading because this website is swarming with fucking bots.

>>134166987
FBI, Robert Mueller...

>>134167023
Thousands of competing media outlets all decided to conspire to go easy on one candidate at the same time, but oversold the email story despite it actually turning out to be pretty much nothing? Hillary is a dead meme.

>>134167168
>no evidence
Dead meme, but you know it's still good because it's pushed by Hannity. Nice.

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>>134167260
>Thousands of competing media outlets all decided to conspire to go easy on one candidate at the same time
We reported on it, it was just the Six major networks run owned by Jews that ignored Hillary's crimes.

>>134165546
He met with a lobbyist that suggested they had dirt on Hillary, who wouldn't check that out?

>>134167422
But you're okay with Trump, his son-in-law and daughter, and all his Goldman-Sachs Wall St. cronies?

>>134167220
nice try shill i saw a thing where there's over 124 million hits on pol vs only 24 million on msnbc
>>134167361
there is no evidence u are probably paid by soros

>>134166487

It takes some serious doublethink to both believe that there's widespread collusion between Trump and Russia, and that Don Jr took a meeting with a nobody on a flimsy claim of having evidence of collusion between Hillary and Russia.

>>134167432
The appropriate response to "hey we've got dirt on Hillary," is "then release it to the press." You get the same result, but you don't have to break the law to do it.

>>134167497
>I saw a thing
This is information collected real time by a bot on 4chan counting the number of post replies.
>124 million hits on pol
this is a message board that refreshes every 10 seconds automatically for every page that's open and the regular 4chan user has about 20 tabs open on different threads at any moment and that counts as a new pageview or 'hit'

Please use proper metrics if you want to trick children with at least 2 brain cells.

>>134167497
Goddamn... how much money do you think Soros has to pay people to post on the internet and maintain a choke hold on an global conspiracy to point out the stupid things Trump and his cronies do on their own?

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>>134167490
>But you're okay with Trump, his son-in-law and daughter, and all his Goldman-Sachs Wall St. cronies?
The election was between Trump and Hillary. I'm euphoric with my choice. Bannon is my favorite staff member, and hes a goldman sachs product go figure.

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>>134167754
youd be surprised...

>>134167663
Lol my image really made you this buttmad huh? My fucking sides

>>134167592
I'm certain Russia meddled in the election. The question is whether Trump was complicit or not (he might not have known, he might have known and just let it happen, or he might have actively helped--that's what Mueller is trying to figure out).

Don Jr, on the other hand, is just a fucking dumbass rich boy with no common sense, but an inflated sense of ego from his dad's constant bravado. His involvement might very well have been accidental, but it would be pretty funny if his ineptitude caused the first domino to fall.

>Don Jr meets with lawyer who is a citizen of the Russian Federation and an ex-Soviet intel agent who is now a Washington lobbyist (that last part conveniently unmentioned)
>Actual event: Don Jr meets with lobbyist
>Reported story: Drumpflestiltskin the Second meets with Putin's lawyer and an evil ex-soviet, probably trades sensitive US info in exchange for a professional Russian hacking squadron's help in hacking the election. Anonymous sources from 128 US agencies agree, Drumpf BTFO.

Because they keep doing stuff like this, they'll continue until they've eroded literally all the track they could possibly spin on and are left with the nothing that there is

>>134161996
>how it feels to play as a bard.jpg

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>>134168201
>I'm certain Russia meddled in the election.
What did russia do?

>>134168172
>buttmad
Yes pointing out your retardation for all the world to see is being 'buttmad'.

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>>134168201
Is this you?

>>134168201
It's going to be a painful 8 years for you, hope you don't end up in an assylum.

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>>134168354
>prove the sky is blue

>>134168626
Nice reflection braindead idiot. Answer the question

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>>134168626
You're the one talking about Russian conspiracy theories, and I like watching you type out your hopeless screeds. What did russia do and what would you like to do about it?

>>134168201
>I'm certain Russia meddled in the election
>>134168354
>What did russia do?
>>134168626
>hurfdurf

No, faggot. Answer the question.

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>>134161471
They are surprisingly still running it; hard. Now theyre trying to say something about his son meeting some lawyer who was russian before when that lawyer enticed his son to come listen saying they had bad shit on shillary. The people who baited with "proof" didnt have any and just wanted it to look like the russian thing was still real. They are literally fake news.

>>134161901
I doubt you're even America. Reveal yourself, leaf.

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>>134161901
>it's almost like new evidence comes out every week of collusion.
What evidence?

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>>134169006
get em boss

>>134164560

It literally isn't a criminal offense (I know drumpfsters are moving the goalposts and the Trump team was lying about not taking meetings with Russians, and liberals are calling them out on it, but intention for a private citizen not by the government to gain information about a citizen no longer employed by the government from a foreign agent still isn't a crime)

And for those keeping score, name one .1%er who has gone to prison for something like this.

>>134168726
>>134168750
>>134168891
Hacked the DNC and the RNC, only released the DNC info. This is all common knowledge, but hey, you're playing the game right.

>Demand proof of things everybody knows, and if they provide it, demand more. In the absence of infinite proof, you don't have to be wrong

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>>134169213
>Hacked the DNC and the RNC, only released the DNC info. This is all common knowledge,
Show me where this is said? Send one link backing up your butthurt claims. I dare you.

>>134169204
>name one .1%er who has gone to prison for something like this.
That's the part that makes the most sense, unfortunately.

It does become a much bigger deal if he did it on behalf of dad, and dad knew about it, though. That part has yet to be determined, though.

>>134165206
You know what there's a lot of solid evidence of? Destruction of evidence by Clinton and Co.

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>>134169213
>>Demand proof of things everybody knows
Where is your proof m8. One link is all it takes

>>134165307
>quick rundown
>fucking leaf

fucking kek did not one cheese eating surrender monkey check what was on the screenshot before running this?

>>134164979
is there a tl;dr version of whatever was going on with Trump Jr last week? this shit was so vague and cringy, i couldn't unde5rstand anything that CNN tried to pull off this time.

>>134169213
>Hacked the DNC
According to which government agency?
>and the RNC
Source?
>This is all common knowledge
Great, post sources of government agencies determining who hacked which servers and how.

>>134169295
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-republicans-hacked-russia/index.html

But you can always deny it because CNN.

>>134169395
Why didn't you archive? https://archive.is/Mgmy7

>>134169345
Good thing she's not president, then.

>>134168626
Listen I really believe that you really believe what you're saying. The thing is you're being asked a very straightforward question and you can't answer it I'm a way that meshes with reality in any way that makes any bit of sense.

What did Russia do?

Now you will answer:

>They hacked the DNC emails!

Except, as it turned out, the servers were never even turned over to any intelligence agency for inspection. They were examined by Crowdstrike, which is a DNC infosec firm on their payroll, who released a report stating "we believe it was Russians because P0desta got phished by an IP originating near Russia." Which doesn't even make any sense in the first place, because there exists such a thing as a VPN. Almost any IP can source from anywhere on earth. That was the initial basis for the claim.

But the entire "colluded with Russia" narrative doesn't even make sense in the first place. Someone posted this on the board a few weeks back. Ask yourself this:

If you were Russia, why would you even actively conspire directly with Trump? It makes no sense. You would simply act unilaterally in his interest without interaction. Do you see the logic?

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>>134169345
>This just in, Trump seen colluding with Foreign Tyrant Napoleon Bonaparte! Impeachment Inevitable!

>>134167971
>$600 a month for healthcare

id be on the gibs if i lived in the US, jesus christ.

>>134161471
That's pretty funny really

>>134169422
Will you be my ai gf?

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>>134169006
2SCOOPS??????

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>>134166329
This dumb cunt should be required to have abortions.

>Many bely holsters are ergonomically designed to release the firearm under certain conditions.

>hes probably ready for someone to grab that pistol. Dumb bitch will be crying about stupid fingers.

>she claims she wants to steal a gun and fire it multiple times then tells America they have a problem.

>>134169395
>old domains of the RNC, meaning old emails they weren't using. None of that was released."

>Comey said there was no sign "that the Trump campaign or the current RNC was successfully hacked."
Did you even read the article? Your own "source" proves you wrong. Strike one.

Now, for your next lie, show me the government report demonstrating who "hacked" the DNC servers and how they did it.

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>>134169395
>crowdstrike
>Jan 10th 2017
wew lad, you are reaching deep.

So how many of the 17 intelligence agencies are sticking with that story?

>>134169657

(And by 17, he of course means 4, I mean 3. ANd one actually said "I don't know, maybe?")

>>134165704
I'm sure you're not paying attention, but in many respects he has been doing a fantastic job. The ACA repeal was a bomb, but that was the brainchild of Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel, and was not really of major importance to him.

>>134169455
see >>134169395

>If you were Russia, why would you even actively conspire directly with Trump? It makes no sense.
Because for Russia, there is literally no downside. More sanctions? Boo hoo, we've already got 'em. The US isn't going to war with Russia. We'd send them a strongly worded letter at best. Trump doesn't even have to be an active participant.

But if you can get a flamboyantly inept patsy elected who will weaken the US at home and on the world stage? Fuck yeah you do that. Even better if (and this is speculation) you have something on him to make sure he doesn't hurt you if he somehow figures out how to do the job.

Mostly, Putin's content to have released a bull in our china shop.

>>134169770
>Campaign promise to repeal and replace the ACA
>Ryan and McConnell's fault, no importance to him anyway
The mental gymnastics on that one...

>>134169618
>>134169657
>>134169730
Or...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/russian-hackers-targeted-21-states-presidential-election-says/

Not the RNC, but it's interference. Russia isn't a nonfactor here, as much as /pol/ and Trump want to make it one.

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>>134169791
you're not even making coherent arguments anymore, its time for sleep anon. So Sleepy, so tired

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>>134161471
lets face it any one on the radical left is literally full of shit cause I swear after filling them full of commie shit. The cucktards graphed their mouths into a second anus.

>>134170070
>no evidence that any actual votes were manipulated.
Second paragraph.

This is the second source you've posted that completely disagrees with you. Why aren't you reading these articles before you post them?

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>>134170124
Good counter argument. Lots of facts, examples, and analysis. You even addressed the central point.

>>134165206
Uranium one?

The bit I find especially enraging is the repetition of the deliberately vague and handwavy "Russian interference" wording (see also "they attacked our democratic process", which is similarly insubstantial and intended only to add hysteria to the accusation). It makes it tough for me to believe the guy is arguing in good faith.

If I say "The DNC and multiple MSM outlets provably collaborated with the Hillary campaign in a variety of ways to try to ensure she won the Democratic nomination", that's a fairly specific allegation that I can happily back up with even more specific, well-sourced details, including e-mails sent by the actual parties concerned. When some s**tlib says "Russia interfered in our election" it could mean any one of a million things. They could mean that Russian officials and media commented on the election in a way that preferred one candidate to the other (as did pretty much every country in the world). They could mean that Russian agents literally hacked voting machines to change vote totals. Yet they never seem to want to clarify what they DO mean, in fact they go far out of their way to avoid doing so. They just disingenuously repeat "Russian interference, Russian interference, why can't you admit there was Russian interference" over and over like the guy above. If you try to pin them down on specifics and demand proof they fall back on "muh 17 intelligence agencies" or similar, which is both untrue and in any case boils down to "faceless anti-Trump Deep State bureaucrats said it was true, therefore it's true".

>>134170107
>when the scooter trash bites it

keked at that one

-No one has produced a shred of evidence of real material malfeasance having shifted anyone's vote. Claiming Russian sockpuppets on social media left fake news comments falls waaaaaaay short of that standard.
- Obama himself came out after the election and said it was properly conducted and legitimate
- Insider accounts of Hillary's campaign describe how they consciously decided to push the Russia narrative to shift the blame for their loss
- The "assessment" documents that have been released are embarrassingly light on details, specifically say "probably" instead of "they did it and we can prove it", and have been roundly criticized by cybersecurity experts for failing to adequately make their case.
- These are the same spy agencies who assured us there were WMD's in Iraq; they have a long history of altering or inventing intelligence reports for political ends (it's also clear they hate Trump, hence all the illegal leaking)
- The NSA (which is by far the best-equipped of the 3 agencies to opine on hacking accusations) was not even willing to use the word "probably" in their assessment. They merely said it was "possible", which is frankly pathetic.
- The FBI never got to examine the "hacked" servers despite asking to (very bizarre if you think about it). The private firm that did was a paid vendor of the DNC and there is no reason Americans should trust their claims.
- Even if all the wildest accusations were true it would merely prove that the FBI/NSA/CIA were totally incompetent under Obama, or maybe they were just too distracted spying on the Trump campaign to do their jobs.
- Finally, the most important one: whoever released the DNC/Podesta emails did US voters a favor by exposing elite corruption and collusion. If Hillary and her lackeys hadn't been so astonishingly corrupt, the "interference" attempt would have been DOA. They're clearly not at all sorry for all the s**t they did that got exposed, they're just mad they got caught.

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>>134163978
TRUE AS FUCK! MEH MAN! they get treated worse then cattle and libtards wonder why they don't talk an then You have double faced Brutus bitches like Linda who say they care for women but always put their savage religious law first!

>>134170374
Oh, for fuck's sake.

https://www.justsecurity.org/41199/connecting-dots-political-microtargeting-russia-investigation-cambridge-analytica/

These are all things that are BEING INVESTIGATED. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. It means we have reason to believe it did.

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>>134170427
you'll impeach that mean old drumpf but you just need one more post! We can all do it if we work together!

>>134169791

Couple things. First, I'm not clicking a CNN link. You can archive it if you want. Second, yes, Russia would have plenty to lose by actively making quid pro quo deals with a foreign nation and then having those deals exposed to the world. Russia and the USA are not the only two countries on Earth. Every country has neighbors and relationships with others. They have plenty to lose by having such matters exposed.

>Trump doesn't even have to be an active participant.
By it's definition, Trump would need to personally know about any deal that involved two parties benefiting from mutual action in exchange for a promised reward. That's literally the meaning of collusion. Which brings us back to the original point.

Even in the hypothetical scenario of Russia actually actively intervening in the US election, why would they bother to even tell Trump about it? Acting unilaterally is not the same thing as making backroom deals. The former is simply a smarter move in every way. The whole concept makes no sense.

Furthermore, if the whole idea of Russian meddling is really so important to you, then how do you justify the Uranium One deal?

>>134166738
Later emails show logins from Ukraine.

>>134170822
>That's literally the meaning of collusion.
I'm aware. My point is that the collusion question is the part that's debatable. Russia did interfere in the election, and tried several ways to do it. If Trump knew and let it happen, that's one problem. If he knew and participated, that's a different, bigger problem.

If several members of his staff met with someone with ties to the Russian government because they thought that person had intel, that's malice aforethought, irrespective of what actually happened at the meeting. It's also hard to imagine Trump wasn't at least aware that it happened.

>>134170427
faggot

>>134170822
>Uranium One deal
Different circumstances so I don't think it applies, but for what it's worth, I don't love it for a few reasons.

>>134170581
>It means we have reason to believe it did.
>we
We? What evidence do you have to give you a "reason?"

>These are all things that are BEING INVESTIGATED
Nah, leftypol, that's not what you were saying back here:
>>134168201
>I'm certain Russia meddled in the election.
>I'm certain
isn't
> “Nobody can prove it yet,” the source says.
There's not a single scrap of evidence of interference or meddling in this article. Just a bunch of "this is being investigated."

>That doesn't mean it didn't happen
And it certainly doesn't mean it did happen. And yet you're certain that it did, so you must have some other evidence lying around that no one else has, so show it.

This is the third article you've posted to demonstrate Russian "meddling" and all three have proven you wrong. Once again, if you're "certain" Russia meddled, then you should be able to produce proof, so do so.

>>134165285
yeah, i haven't seen the show but aren't the handmaidens supposed to be the hot ones?

>>134170070

If the article is saying "Russian IPs port scanned our server" (if you want me to read you still need to archive) as I understand that story to have been-- again, VPNs are a thing. An IP originating in Russia doesn't mean that the person doing the port scanning was actually Russian, or even a human behind the keyboard. A majority of all cyber attacks originate in the USA. It doesn't mean that it's US citizens making the attack, it just means the server that actually launches the attack resides in the USA.

>>134163017
>how is trump junior's emails not proof that there was some attempt at russian involvement

Because she didn't work for the Russian government. She worked for Fusion GPS, a Democrat NGO. Her archived Facebook page is also flush with anti-Trump crap and pussy hats.

You idiots will believe just about anything at this point so I'm not surprised you didn't know.

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>>134171392
I love seeing dems powerless, g'night everyone

>>134163390
"We don't know how to express ourselves in an intelligent manner so we'll just copy stuff from pop-culture television and pretend it's a profound statement."

>>134171175
The same Ukraine that admitted to colluding with the DNC to get dirt on Trump?

>>134164750
>is actually against the law, dude.
Which law?

This should be fun.

>>134167629
Exactly what law was broken?

>>134171775
treason

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>134168201
>being this painfully stupid.
Does it need to be written in crayon?

>>134171457
>demand proof
>deny the validity of proof when given proof
>demand more proof
>demand other proof

Do you know how deductive reasoning works? Maybe "certain" was the wrong word, but "very good reason to believe it is the case" works just fine. And don't pull something from an article out of context and pretend it voids the entire thing.

>It was interesting that those states seem to be targeted where the bots — where they could could create a lot of these fake Twitter and Facebook accounts, could in fact overwhelm the targeted search engines that would end up saying on your news feed, you suddenly got stuff that “Hillary Clinton’s sick” or “Hillary Clinton’s stealing money from the State Department.”

Your whole perspective is, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, there is no evidence that it's a duck."

>>134169602
That's a level 3 (or even 4) holster. You ain't getting that gun out unless you've trained with that particular holster or various level 3 and 4 holsters to understand their usual mechanical functions. There however is unsecured baton next to it which you can use to whack the guy in the head and take the gun then. This is why officers always work in pairs. Unless both are taken out simultaneously you're dead.

>>134161471
Lol where are those signs from?

>>134172129
LOL are you serious here? Your "proof" is literally shit /pol/ and the_donald does on their free time

>>134171287
If Russia acted (even hypothetically) unilaterally, which would objectively be smarter, Trump by definition wouldn't know about it.

>>134171392
Clinton Foundation received millions of dollars in donations in response to a deal that gave Russia 20% of US uranium. That's about as direct as it gets, and yet somehow this is different circumstances? If you actually gave this issue parity you would be calling for Clinton to be prosecuted right now for the exact thing you're claiming Trump did, and the Uranium One deal isn't a hypothetical.

>>134169914
Repealing and replacing was a portion of his campaign, but it doesn't necessarily need to take the form of Ryancare. The AHA was Ryan's bill. Trump has been plenty busy working on fixing our immigration issues, which is a much larger priority than healthcare desu.

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>>134163390
Deep.

>>134172129
>>demand proof
>not get any proof whatsoever
>ask again for proof
>not get any proof whatsoever
>ask again for proof
>not get any proof whatsoever
>ask again for proof
>get this reply instead
leftypol_tries_it.jpg

>"certain" was the wrong word, but "very good reason to believe it is the case" works
How? If there's zero proof, thus you can't be certain of any Russian meddling, how do you have "very good reasons" instead? What are these reasons?

>could in fact overwhelm the targeted search engines that would end up saying on your news feed
Is this it? Is this the dreaded Russian meddling? The one you still have no proof that it occurred, that Russia was involved, or that Trump colluded/coordinated/or was even aware of? This is your "very good reason" to believe Russia "interfered" with the election?

Let's go back to the beginning once more. What are you accusing Russia of doing and what is your proof?

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>30 posts by this ID
"the party of progress and intellectuals"

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>>134172129
>Deductive reasoning is not proof, and does not stand up as such in a court of law.
Please provide physical evidence of your claims
or go back to plebbit nigger

>>134171648
>Implying that they would even know what the book was or what it was about if it didn't have a new tv show attached to it

Goes to show how shallow they are. Can't wait for them to start going on about Trump belonging in the last circle or hell when the Divine Comedy movie comes out or talk about hunting the "white" whale when Moby Dick becomes a show on HBO

>>134169602
>Go to restaurant with some liberal from England
>"OH GOD, THAT MAN IS CUTTING VEGETABLES WITH A K-KNIFE!"
>Uh, ok. It's his job
>"I BET I COULD STEAL THAT AND STAB AT LEAST 5 PEOPLE TO DEATH BEFORE THE POLICE SHOW UP AND I'M GUNNED DOWN!"
>"What? No! I'm normal it's everyone else in America that's fucked up."

>>134173006
You want proof? Check his Twitter account, you Russian defecting pos.

>>134173632
Nice proof faggot. Don lemon give it to you?

With all due respect to /pol/, Trump has always said he wanted to bring this country together. Calling Dems names isn't going to win anybody over, it's just going to piss them off. If you care about the truth (which I know you do) then just explain it to them directly without emotion. They really believe that Trump betrayed the us, but only because they don't know any better. You do, so teach them. You're autistic enough to have the facts at your disposal. One of those Roman emperors said something to the effect of "truth is like a lion, you don't need to defend it, just let it out and it'll defend itself."

Reminder that Obama did gather info of Trump via Susan Rice.

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>>134173632
>ask for proof
>dont get it
>reeeeeeetwatter.jpg
why am i surprised, lel plebbit fags btfo

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>>134173632

>>134170807
REEEEEEEEE get out of Manchester you cunts!

>>134174166
Fuck off tripfag

filtered

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>>134161691

>>134174440
What the hell?

>>134171175
So Ukraine are Russia now?

>>134174619
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>134161691
Dump your bait-pics here!

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>>134174619
newfag cunt

>>134161891
>4chan
>media
>in competition with MSNBC

Anyone who would unironically get their "news" from 4chan should be put down

>>134169345
And obstruction of justice. I seem to remember someone getting impeached for that.

>>134172239
These are the ads by RT in Moscow airport.

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>Democratic Party this whole year

http://www.bestgore.com/sexual-disaster/self-castration-man-remove-own-testicle-at-home/

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4-chan days late AGAIN.
I read this thread on the_doanld TWO days ago.... And the posters were a lot funnier and smarter than 4-chan-ers.
Sad when you seem to think you're the smartest and fastest guys on the internet.

>>134171648
Fucking plebery

>>134161691
>sexless virgins
As opposed to?

>>134167220
>Quite a low and plausible number

No. People lurk far more than you believe them to do. I rarely post more than twice a day.

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>>134169583

>>134181086
Same
This is my first post this week

There was never collusion. What does collusion mean? How did they collude?

Anyway, any news report about Russia is exclusively about character assassination. Remember--the far left was LIVID after the election. They kept insisting that Trump wouldn't have won had it not been for Russian hackers, implying that Trump couldn't have won on his own.

>>134180961
sex virgins

>>134163390
Why the fuck did these land whales dressed up like postmodernist night lamps?

>>134166231
Assange is fucking dead m8

>>134175069
Just had my first long session of this yesterday, was reluctant to start but now im.....


....hooked

>>134168533
jesus they are making an entire class of brainwashed conspiracy theorists

>>134163978
why is a group that is largely atheist promoting
religious freedom instead of "waking" all followers
of religions up?

>>134169357
the anon called for the french media to share it
and they did. it's not a run down either it's about
him meeting a french exchange student

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>>134187808
what are you talking about here is a video of him alive and well

>>134167971
lol no juan bought a SS number from someone for
10-30k so he could have a cover identity in us
for work. the person on that SS account will receive
payment for all of the work at retirement.
LEO's watch work sites like hawks

>>134161471
>Is the "Trump colluded with Russia" rhetoric finally dead?

The Trump-cuck says, nervously. Buddy, Trump Jr and Manafort are going to be dragged into the Senate to testify under oath about the meeting at Trump Tower.

And that doesn't even touch on the several other avenues of investigation that remain ongoing.

>>134172987
>1 Post by this ID
>1

>>134165229
>talking to Putin
so what if he talked with the queen of england or sucked on Merkles fat clit? Would that be ok?

Leaders of the world talk with one another, never has that ever been a crime. UN, EU, Nato, G20, G7 are all big groups which nations "collaborate" together.

Liberals,commies, and lefties are all fliping their shit trying to make this a big deal when in truth, it is absolutely nothing.

>>134163287
During the transition you faggot. Jesus Christ, you'd probably be complaining when Kennedy set up the hotline after the Cuban missile crisis

>>134189806
Wow really de-activates my almonds, anon. I'm getting pretty drowsy

>>134164341
>digging themselves deeper

You mean doing his fucking job?

>>134161471

its only getting started

https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r32CxeWTs1c

>>134163390
>The Ham Maidens Tale

>>134167220
All it takes is one good post or one good meme

>>134164985

It didn't look like he was trying to hide shit at all.

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>>134161471
Considering that it was stillbirth to begin with.

I think Trump himself stirs up that narrative on purpose. It makes Dems look insane and out of touch to the average American, and it acts as a media smokescreen that hides what Trump is doing.

It is dead simply because it is taking far to long. The court of public opinion only lasts if you can provide proof, not just 'he said she said' bullshit, also a lot of what can be proven is what the American people expect ALL of our government officials to do ("TRUMP CAUGHT TALKING TO SOMEONE FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY, HATE HIM PLS!!!")

but Democrats/libreals think they can turn it into a Benghazi, which they wont

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>>134168626
>Literally you.

>>134164341
>Maybe if Trump and his family would actually stop digging themselves deeper, there would be a chance it could be put to bed.

this. they should just be transparent as well as stop bringing it up all the time. Bill Clinton kept getting shit passed during his scandal.

>>134161471
https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

Trump made his first trip to Russia in 1987, only a few years before the collapse of the Soviet Union. Invited by Soviet Ambassador Yuri Dubinin, Trump was flown to Moscow and Leningrad—all expenses paid—to talk business with high-ups in the Soviet command. In The Art of the Deal, Trump recounted the lunch meeting with Dubinin that led to the trip. “One thing led to another,” he wrote, “and now I’m talking about building a large luxury hotel, across the street from the Kremlin, in partnership with the Soviet government.”

Over the years, Trump and his sons would try and fail five times to build a new Trump Tower in Moscow. But for Trump, what mattered most were the lucrative connections he had begun to make with the Kremlin—and with the wealthy Russians who would buy so many of his properties in the years to come. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets,” Donald Trump Jr. boasted at a real estate conference in 2008. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

>>134190455

it was just him, putin and a russian translator

why didnt he have an american one

>>134172129
You haven't shown any proof.

I fucking love how woke /pol/ thinks they are on Trump. You're just a bad a the sore loser Democrats and SJW's. Trump's a fucking colluder and a dumbass.

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>>134164896
>one of the fastest boards
And one of the worst, what's your point?

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>>134167220
>Page visits are fucking misleading because this website is swarming with fucking bots.

yep, where are the bot metrics?

>>134165721
>. It distracts them while he gets shit done.

he isn't getting anything done. Healthcare failed and his approval numbers are tanking.
in b4 >muh fake polls

He needs to get tax reform and infrastructure through or he's fucked

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>>134165746
PAY ATTENTION TO THIS YOU FAGGOTS!

>>134165974
>>134166487

We need to know if the Agalarovs were a conduit for the Kremlin. As in, did Putin use them as a vehicle to deliver info to Trump?

>>134188205
>largely atheist
that's not how you spell edgy anti-christian

>>134162129
>Only US citizens matter
Nah mate, you don't realise how much influence matters in matters of democracy. Doesn't matter what country someone is in, if they hold any influence over someone who IS involved directly, they can indirectly guide that persons view on matters.
I'm not saying they tell someone what way to vote directly, but they can slowly convince someone to see the world through their eyes, and thus make that person more likely to vote as they would.

>>134167260
>but oversold the email story despite it actually turning out to be pretty much nothing?

they did this to avoid talking about the Clinton Foundation

>>134163390
>that fatty whose too big for her bedsheet

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>>134165229
>US President talking to President of Russia
>National Security breach
>SOS maintains private server to conduct public business
>private server FOIA
>files wiped from server
>She did nothing wrong and should be President
you need to get back on your meds anon

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>>134165307
>The first post in that thread

I'm fucking dying, this has to be shopped

>>134161814
Thank god I only get my news from /pol/

>>134161996
Is he trying to boost their stats?

>>134191652
highest traffic among other boards, whether you hate it or not.
>one of the worst
objectively wrong
here's your (you)

liberal desperate move

>>134175638
>What is a link

>>134165543
fukken saved

>>134165902
/pol/ news network is retarded. Tons also get their news from youtube because the site is cleaner and faster.

>>134165050
What the fuck are you on about? When did he say it didn't happen? How could if have not happened we all read his fucking emails we all know his password was phished
Now tell me why it was a Russian agent carrying out Putin's orders

>>134161471
No, MSNBC was blowing a fuse after Trump sat next to Putin at a table of over 30 people for a private non-disclosed meeting.

>>134161471
hysteria, delusion and insanity doesnt go away overnight

>>134188205
because not everyone went to school on the short bus

>>134181086

I post maybe three times a week.

Maybe.

>>134167663
>this is a message board that refreshes every 10 seconds automatically for every page that's open and the regular 4chan user has about 20 tabs open on different threads at any moment and that counts as a new pageview or 'hit'

>what are cookies

>>134164584
God damnit don't remind me. Fucking /r/ the donald flooding in.

>>134163287
>to set up a back channel
why do they need a back channel if they're colluding?

>>134167220
>Now lets say that the average user posts 5 new replies per hour (quite a low and plausible number)
Everything you said rests on this number that is plucked from the fucking aether. Though I suppose it's plausible if only counting Aussies.

>>134161471

it will never be dead. you'll be seeing it in your grandkids homework.

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>>134175638
Oh I bet you get your "news" from really "great" sources like ABC news or CNN

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>>134180456
The Russia thing has been on going for months now, who gives a fuck you faggot redditor

>>134163017
Fucking end your life, but take your family with you before

>>134161691
Only sexless virgins believed it in the first place

>>134161901
It's almost like the media pushes a new unsubstantiated conspiracy every week for ratings*

Ftfy

Why won't they talk about the CONTENTS of the emails? Not one MSM org who is covering and pushing muh Russia will talk about the DNC emails, they just go straight to declaring the release of the emails swayed the election because ... ????

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>>134189233
why dont you elaborate? You sound pretty faggoty to me with your smug tone yet you're speaking nothing but garbage out of your fat faggot leaf mouth

>>134164750
Jesus christ, lol

>>134190295
Well then spout more CNN-tier bullshit for us to laugh at you pussy

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>>134190397
Try again fag

>>134191367
>it was just him, putin and a russian translator

This is how you succumb to propaganda
Please, for your own sake, read up on the topic you're trying to post about

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>>134191260
>Bill Clinton kept getting shit passed during his scandal.
Bill Clinton is a rapist.

>>134191312
This link again? fuck off (also posted here= >>134190397)

.. you people post the same fucking bullshit over and over again expecting it to prove you right when its been debunked long ago

>>134208023
Dems can't into logical progression
They think he's colluding with Putin, yet also believe he's meeting with low-level Russian "authorities" for intel

If he had the head man on speed dial, why would he bother with Russian underlings?

>>134191452
More smug bullshit. I think you're just feeling good because you think you're so enlightened when you're a colossal retard. The fact you didn't even say anything worth shit above something a 6 year old would say says a lot

>>134192025
>Kremlin
As soon as someone brings that word up I know that they deserve to be executed right away

>>134210690
The whole thing is a fucking joke.. People believe the deep state and think what they say has merit.. Its both sickening and funny

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Why are leftists and neoconservatives so damn adamant to make Russia an enemy of the West?

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>>134212368
to distract from Islam im guessing

>>134191858
This

>>134171648

It's really ironic because there are key parts to the novel where Atwood uses the main character's mother as a mouthpiece for second wave feminism, then openly criticizes the movement through that character. Even alluding to feminism being one of the root causes to the dystopian society. In the novel a zealot twisted it for her and her husbands own means to place control over the underclass

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Why should I believe anyone who thinks its a good idea to import these Africans to get news from

>>134214683
I hate when they change source material to fit their agenda

>>134161901
You're a Republican like I'm a limp-wristed faggot who reads HuffPo.

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>>134190448

>>134169481
That's ART over there.