The Perfect System?

How to convert yards of fabric into ounces of gold mined.

>>134157467
Get rid of the Negroids maybe it will have a slim chance of being functional, but currency of some form will always be a thing so long as humanity walks this earth. The root of the problem lies with central banks held by international interests.

>>134157467
And what we do about the entertainment industry? That's almost communism btw.

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>socialism is immune to corruption and can easily predict and adapt to the chaos of reality

Socialists are fags and are only one step removed from being non-humans (communists).

>>134157467
What stops anyone ( or ones) from finding ways to keep resources to themselves? And then implementing authoritarian ways to stop people from retaking them?

Get rid of Muslims, Niggers, Communists and Jews and pretty much majority of the systems will work perfectly fine.

>>134157467
so if I work by making paper planes all day I should earn the same as a emergency surgeon that's works all day?

Sounds great!

>>134157834
Get rid of [insert person whose views I disagree with] will make things better

>>134157467
>gets rid of money
>livestock now can be underfed to meet headcount

>>134157834
Says the Indian...

>>134157467
Replace elected officials with computer systems

>>134157467
>as advised by elected officials
those psychopaths that crave power will use this as a means to get it

>>134158107
Yeah the matrix was a great movie. They didn't earn money either!

>>134157834
I'd get rid of the pajeets, as well, at least until your ilk learns to use the toilet.

>>134157948
No... that's stupid.
Obviously humanity will choose to give emergency surgeons more resources than someone who make paper planes.

>>134157965
>Implying none of the groups I mentioned have caused destruction and collapse of any specific system

>>134158025
I'm not wrong though. There's geniuses amongst us but all of then flee the country because its overpopulated and corrupted to the core.

>>134158196
Sure.

>>134157467
>government
you're going to have problems no matter what

>>134158248
>We'll have a central system distribute resources based on how much work you do.

Yes OP is a stupid communist as he said its based on how much work you do not what type of work.

>>134157467
>We'll have a central system distribute resources based on how much work you do

How would you do this?
By quantifying work into some type of measurement system, a currency perhaps? Maybe you could distribute these currency points to people in exchange for working?

>>134157467

Utopian systems are flawed by their very nature because they think man is perfectable

>>134158164
They won't be able to.
These people can't make do anything on their own, they just advise humanity as a whole, everyone makes the decisions.

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>>134157467
I dare you to find a flaw in this.

>Money is an essential neurotransmitter.

>>134157467
OP this is the dumbest thing I've read ever on /pol/. I implore you to please consider ending your life

>>134157467
So.... communism... that doesnt work.

>>134158248
>>134158460
Sincerely surprised there is more than one post by this ID.

>>134158385
It's not a government, just a board of advisors.
>>134158422
>how much of what work you did
That's what I said.
The type of work is important too.
Stop twisting my words.

>>134158460
a president, a senator, and a supreme court justice cannot get elected on their own either.

are you suggesting it would be popular vote?

>>134158771
The advisors themselves will be elected by popular vote in every existing country.
The decisions themselves are made by all of humanity discussing and coming to unanimous agreement.

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No. Make government local. Allow any form of autistic communism or fascism you want as long as there is quorum in that district. Keep state lines, reform the fed into a smaller gov for protection. Basically free market ideology localized. And let the strongest survive.

>>134158724
Ok I see yes I skipped over that.

But that pretty much is communism bro.

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>>134157467
I wonder how you'll divide the resources among people. They can't carry them all with them, you know. There must be some sort of token system that will allow you to exchange labor for resources.
OH WAIT THATS MONEY. YOU FUCKING MORON.

>>134158956
>The advisors themselves will be elected by popular vote in every existing country.
what would the method of removing an advisor should they fall out of favor? are there term limits?

>>134158724
>It's not a government, just a board of advisors
aka government

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>>134158984
Has he brought up work vouchers yet?

>>134158587
>>134158979
It's not communism it's different.

As long as people continue to eat cooked food and animals, we will continue to decay and none of this will work. We will never be able to come together

There is no (bright) future.

>>134157467
What if I want to buy something without giving up my resources?

>>134157467
so make human beings into livestock?

>>134159141
No, humanity governs itself.
The advisors don't make decisions, humanity as a whole does. They simply help us make the right ones.
It's in our hands.

>>134159213
it's pretty much exactly Nordic socialism, which works if people have shared values, aka a shared evolved subconscious. it requires ethnic homogeneity, and for those values to not include pathological altruism. those seem to be fundamentally incompatible. QED

>>134159363
government

>>134159419
I should clarify: a set of values that would allow for functioning socialism would require too high of levels of altruism to not be extremely susceptible to subversion of ethnic homogeneity by propaganda. It's not a stable equilibrium

>>134159363
You're going to have to go into a lot more detail and stop using synonyms for government, communism, and planned economy to describe your idea or people are just going to keep pointing out that you are describing a communist government with a planned economy.

>>134157467
Dude this is just price fixing and a welfare state. It's exactly what Venezuela is trying to do

>>134157467
Do i ever get a pension?

>>134159688
No, you'll get a bullet in your head when you reach 30. Blame Logan's Run.

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>>134157467
>spend time to get educated
>get """""""""""paid"""""""""""""' less than a miner
gee great system

what you need to realize is our system rewards smart and clever people

>>134157467
>can't work
letting politicians use the definition of this as a puck for all eternity would be a flaw

>>134159425
In a government the people in charge make the rules.
In this, everyone makes the rules.

>"All of humanity" decides that everything should be given to the lowest common denominator
>There are insufficient resources to support this
>As it turns out, the vast majority of people are fucking retarded and government by group consensus is an exercise in self destruction by means of unchecked self interest

>>134157810
socialism is corrupt to the core.
trust me.

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All these faggots in this thread and only 1 or 2 recognised OPs words

He simply laid out the communist manifesto in /pol/ speak and you fucking retards took him seriously. You all claim to be intelligent but almost none of you have read what your enemy believes, you dont understand their goals and worse yet theyre able to trick you with ease.

I know this place went down the shitter after the election but this is just fucking embarrassing. Youre all embarrassing.

>>134157467
you just described a retard version of socialism, you retard.

>>134157467
>"Money causes greed"

I stopped reading right there. Good work op.

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>>134158956
>all of humanity
>unanimous agreement

>>134160103
You're preaching to the choir, hombre.

>>134157467
Nigger you're high. Go to bed.

>>134160111
Just because something is an obvious thought exercise doesn't mean you need to announce that you "saw through OPs cunning plot" or what the fuck ever.

Some people prefer to just roll with it rather than start crowing about how clever they are you smug ass.

>i have a new idea
>it's called communism, and it's never been tried before
Hide and report all leaf threads

>>134160585
Anything is possible

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>>134160111
>Thinks he's the only one that gets the joke
>Makes himself a punchline

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>>134157467
Advocating for communism? Fucking kill yourself.

>>134157467
>We'll get rid of money. Money causes greed.
Can't we just get rid of libtards? Money does not CAUSE greed. Inherently greedy people seek out money.
>We'll have a central system distribute resources based on how much work you do.
If you can't work, you're supported by said system.
What if you WON'T work? What if you are defrauding the system? What if a doctor starts giving people medical excuses not to work in exchange for some sort of payment or else favors (like sex)? What if someone fucks themselves up with drug use until they cannot work, but they would be fine if they hadn't made such bad choices?

What if people choose to do the bare minimum to get their pay as ALWAYS HAPPENS EVERY TIME YOUR STUPID FUCKING COMMUNISM IS TRIED?

Protip: Your system CANNOT work.

>>134159634
>>134160111
>>134160748
>>134161042
IT'S NOT COMMUNISM IT'S DIFFERENT
PAY ATTENTION

>>134161163
Yeah no it isn't different.
Fuck off commie.

>Everyone will discuss it until humanity comes to a unanimous agreement, then it will be implemented.

Oh look, found the flaw. Kill yourself with dicks.

>>134157467
We need to live in male warrior bands. The chief is the most genetically superior of the group. Every man gets one wife but the chief gets as many as he wants (captured from raiding other tribes.)
All men are required to have children.
No beta uprising, fulfilling natural instincts, eugenic effect each generation.

>>134161282
Communism means no private property at all. OP didn't say that you stupid strawmanning nigger

>>134157467
Oh, so your system is communism. The problem with this has been pointed out by a thousand economists and is really quite simple. The needed allocation of resources can always be more efficiently determined by the people who need them than any central authority. It's much easier for a grocer to determine how much bread he'll need then a bureaucrat in DC.

This truth is so obvious that it's hardly believable that people still fall for communism, especially after we've already had Stalin, Mao, pol pot, Chavez, etc...

>>134161430
If a central authority had sole jurisdiction over who gets what, with no system of trade, in what meaningful sense can you say people still have property? Communism is the collective control of the means and product of production. That is exactly what op described.

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>>134157467
the "perfect" (i.e. the least shitty) system is only gonna be possible when we figure out how to balance the relationship between the authority and the individual.
spoiler: it's never gonna happen.

>>134161430
>central system distribute resources based on how much work you do
Yeah, he did.

>>134161697
The perfect system is only possible with perfect people. You can't make a perfect structure with broken pieces. This is why all utopian projects are doomed from the start. The best, and ultimately only method by which a society can be pulled up is convincing, enabling, and encouraging it's members to lift themselves up.

>>134161990
this

>>134161990
>Perfect people
You mean Aryans?

>>134157467
This is so far beyond retarded that my not be in our same universe of basic logic reason and intelligence

>>134157467
>Everyone will discuss it until humanity comes to a unanimous agreement

So it will never happen. Cool.
Anarchy == Natural Order

>>134161990
you're thinking too far ahead here. first, we need to determine what type of authority is gonna be tasked with "encouraging it's members to lift themselves up". how to make people do what you want without you forcing them to do it? if you remove all authority people become degenerates, if you're too rigid and oppressive people become miserable and civilization can't flourish.
how will that hypothetical perfect society deal with the feminist problem, for example? how to compel people into having kids without forcing them? is that even possible? at this point i'm not even sure that maternal instinct (and instincts as a whole) is a real thing, how else could you explain the fact that women literally don't give a shit about having kids?. they don't have kids and they don't feel any obligation to the tribe. so i'm supposed to believe that there was this instinct for billions of years and suddenly, after life got a little bit better, everyone just forgot instincts. and men are no better, but in this particular example i'm talking about feminism and females.

>>134157467
>I dare you to find a flaw in this.
>If you can't work, you're supported by said system.

Any system that offers support for the weak is guaranteed to be exploited and abused. It's impossible with current technology to assess whether someone can or cannot work if you include psychological disabilities in the possible criteria.

So you create this beautiful system where it supports the disabled, but then one lazy man gets the idea to fake being disabled so he can collect from the system without contributing, and then another joins, and another, soon you have massive strain by the exploiters and you're powerless to stop this.

If you had outlined your plan but included this line:
>if you can't work you are summarily executed

I would agree that it's a flawless plan worthy of the Nobel Prize.

>>134157467
Now you have to waste extra resources to check who can and can't work, someone to check how much work you did to allicate resources, you will need someone to audit the people doing that stuff to make sure no ones cheating etc

You waste half your resources assigning resources and dealing with corruption.

>>134162858
>Communism
>Nobel Prize
PICK ONE RETARD.

fuck off communist

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>>134158956
>all of humanity discussing and coming to unanimous agreement.

You need help

>>134157467
>Money causes greed.
Are you retarded? Greed is a natural human instinct, like fucking. Money is merely a medium at which people can exchange goods and services for their productivity. Are you saying greed didn't exist before money? Holy crap you communiggers need to be rounded up and gassed.

Ah yes, get rid of money! So easy! Why didnt anyone think of this before?

Kys commies

>>134157467

Work for resources?

Such as I work 160 hours a month and I am then given a predetermined amount of food and water?

So we work only to survive?

Sounds like a shit system, m8.

Get a job.

>>134157467
money doesn't cause greed, greed is an inherent part of human nature.
once again, commies fail to provide an argument against human nature.

>>134162752
i'm perfectly aware that people didn't just forget about those things and that systematic brainwashing by our rulers was involved. BUT, if instincts are real how come there weren't any alarms that went inside of us when we heard people talking about those things that lead to death of a society? how come, when the attacks on family and religion started happening all those decades ago, people didn't organize in order to kill those that are promoting those false values? where are the instincts? how is it possible that government brainwash is capable of destroying them so easily? was it brainwash that put them there in the first place?

>zeitgeist movement
>venus project

top kek, i remember when i thought that shit was clever

>>134157467
We currently do not posses the capacity to calculate efficient resource allocation of a command economy. Information is too decentralised and complex for it.

>>134157467
>We'll get rid of money
Hitler did that, satanic people did not like it

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And how do you measure the amount of work done?

>inb4 wen ppl think tis gud

give a precise and complete solution, not a slogan

Why is faggot OP being taken seriously? This is the nth time some fucker thinks he had some sort of epiphany by listening to Jacques Fresco.
All that is being said is basically communism with a different coating. Sage goes in options field.

>>134162752
>first, we need to determine what type of authority is gonna be tasked with "encouraging it's members to lift themselves up"
Who needs to determine it? If broken people are determining it, it will be inherently flawed due to their flawed relationship to other people, community, society, and authority.

To your other points about procreation, human society has never and will never be organized around maternal, or any other human "instincts". Humans are rational creatures who relate to and understand each other principally on the basis of our reasons for doing so. Even primitive tribes give complex reasoning for nearly all of their customs and relationships.

It was Freud who convinced us that reasoning is but an illusion, a sublimation of our sex instinct, and other instincts. This is a fatal error, and ironic given that he came to this conclusion based on his reasoning.

We must once again understand ourselves as living, not for the mere satisfaction of our impulses, but for a real purpose. We must model our behavior not on the machination of cultural engineers but on a real Discovery and understanding of the ends of our nature.

This calls for a real conservatism where the patriarch and elder is honored and respected, for it is he was produced and sustains the family. He creates the stability and productivity on which a family must rest. In any society where the father is denigrated, family and therefore procreation will collapse, because only he can bear the burdens necessary.

Taken to it's logical conclusion, this leads to a reverence for God, as the father of all. Therefore it is the first principle of a well ordered society that God be honored, and His will sought out and obeyed.

>>134163729
The instincts aren't real. Humans are not led by instincts, but by reason and will. The reason depends on how it perceives itself and it's world. If you can set the worldview, you can define the alternatives which the reason presents to the will. The reason can only present to the will those things which it knows.

We let the socialists take our children into government run schools for five days a week and thought our customs, values, and relationships would survive.

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>>134157467

>Everyone will discuss it until humanity comes to a unanimous agreement

>>134157467
>hehe communism is best :^)
Sage

>>134164425
>>134164782
what you're suggesting has already been tried but it led to people rebelling against it. why did they do it? and why did we allow them to not only rebel but wreck the whole society and leave it in ruins? so, if we apply what you're suggesting we would be just repeating the cycle and the outcome is known (for the results just look the last decades of the 20th century and the current situation in the 21st century).

>>134157467
>everyone discusses until humanity comes to a unanimous agreement
jesus fucking christ anon do you know how long it takes us just to get a majority agreement on ONE fucking issue
if you're looking for unanimous agreement on everything you'll never solve anything
democracies are good-ish for representing the will of the people but constantly having to ask permission slows things down a lot
dictatorships get this shit done but don't tend to look too much into the opinion of the people, with mixed results
can't have it all anon

>>134165843
you're mentioning "father" and "god". people that are gonna be making arguments against those authority figures, and the atheists and the rationalists will also say that your thinking is flawed because you can't claim to be rational and believe in god at the same time. so your society is doom from the start.
that's why i said that there needs to be a balance between the authority and the individual. and no one has figured that out yet.

>>134166489
doomed*

>>134166489
in order for your society to work everyone needs to have their memory erased and history totally destroyed as a discipline. we are in the 21st century and not in medieval times, in medieval times it was easier because no one back then was making arguments against your way of thinking. enlightenment happened in the meantime and wrecked everything.
how are you gonna defend your ideal society against atheistst, rationalists, liberals and people that agree with enlightenment ideas in general?

>>134157467
Fucking commie

>>134166795
and don't get me wrong, i agree what you said about god, father and the elders (because that's the only way to have a healthy society). i'm just saying that the vast majority of people will not agree with you. how the fuck will you change their minds?

>>134157467
>We'll have a central system distribute resources based on how much work you do.

More mindless busy work, like now?

>>134157467
>Money causes greed

Found your problem already. Shit, how naive can you be?

So work makes you free?

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>>134157467
>We'll get rid of money. Money causes greed.
Money is a representation of material wealth. Ergo, the material world causes greed.

>We'll have a central system distribute resources based on how much work you do. If you can't work, you're supported by said system.
Welp, looks like both my legs are broken and I suffer from sever (insert mental disease). I won't be able to work for a long time.

>Everyone will discuss it until humanity comes to a unanimous agreement, then it will be implemented.
There are 7 billion humans dumbass, and it only takes one to say no for a decision to not be implemented.

>>134157467
>Money causes greed.
No.
>We'll have a central system distribute resources
That's communism you fat fuck. And it doesn't work.
>Exactly how much of what resources you get based on how much of what work you did...
That's communism you fat fuck. And it doesn't work.
>Everyone will discuss it until humanity comes to a unanimous agreement
That's communism you fat fuck. And it doesn't work.
>I dare you to find a flaw in this.
It's communism you fat fuck. And it doesn't work.

>>134168442
see>>134161163 >>134159213

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>>134168442
Based Romanon

>>134168584
I told you once.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl9zYS3_dc

>>134157467
>I dare you to find a flaw in this.
How is the central system going to deremine how much the different kinds of labour is worth, you must understand that different labour is valued differently according to how needed the product/service is. So how is this centralised system going to redistribute this societal credit fairly according to how much someone has contributed if there is not a free market to decide how much something is worth.

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>>134157467
>So I've figured out exactly how things should be ran.
>We'll get rid of money. Money causes greed.

>>134157722
>The root of the problem lies with central banks held by international interests
It is a small rootless international clique that is turning people against eachother!

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>>134157965
>Get rid of [insert person whose views I disagree with] will make things better
You'd think a Chillean would understand the case for physical removalTM

>>134157467
You just described a totalitarian dictatorship

>>134157467
You've just literally described the capitalist ideal. Humans collectively decide how much everyone is paid through supplysupply and demand.

>>134157834
This. You can do with your Jews whatever you want, they cause more harm than good anyways.

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OP Human nature causes greed. If you take away money we will be greedy for other things. Only way to understand that greed is to be honest about it. How can we be reliably honest when we are so afraid. Look at all the structures we build in our minds to allow us to parse the paradox of our morality to the degree we can work a 9-5! Its no wonder we are greedy. Shed the ideology, accept your mortality. Push your bloodline as far away from the event horizon of death and keep the experiment going via either technology, philosophy or having kids and a family.

Try this, 4 A's. Awareness, acceptance, action, accumulation of information, rinse and repeat. We cannot alter our nature directly but like many of the ancient tales in folklore (Medusa for example) we are both the coder and the code. We are most effective when we see reflections of ourselves. Those reflections are the environment (every building that exists in reality first existed in the mind etc). We all know environment plus DNA equals us individually. We can alter the environment and therefore ourselves. This is the lesson of the Medusa story.

If you want to get rid of greed then stop being greedy. Become successful and others will emulate.

OP is greedy.

>>134157467
Sounds like communism

>>134157673
it would be whatever you need. you don't need gold dipshit.
they're taxing the shit out of every thing
this is where we are headed anyways
a bunch of fucks living of soy in luxiry apartments
driving slow hybrid subcompact cars

>>134168584
See >>134161881

>>134170068
>Communism is the capitalist ideal
Wut?

this system is horrible and would quickly become corrupt. Ancap is only pure system

>>134173095
Ancap would fall over because corporations don't care about the individual. The individual would be crushed because of the greed of the CEO's.

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>>134170068
>literally writes out a paraphrasing of the communist manifesto
>"wow, you just described perfect capitalism"

so this is the power of brit posters.......whoa

>>134173395
yes because its the individual that can grant a corporation different liabilities, and not the state........

>>134158976
This

>>134173554
The individual has nothing to protect him in an ancap-country. There is no state, therefore no police, no courts.. You're basically a slave to the corporation.

Who is going to make sure the system runs well and lead?

What prevents him/them from becoming corrupt, useless fucks who screw everything up for personal gain, since they absolutely can?

Wouldnt the mediocrity and equality said system promotes naturally make mediocre, below average people take up the leading places and fuck it all up?

Otherwise nice system OP, true utopia, hope nobody is ever stupid enough to actually try it out, since everybody knows utopia is something you can't achieve.

>>134173859
Yes, ancap and slavery would go hand in hand. Undeniable. But who's to say you'd have a worse life if you're slave of a corporation? It's in their interest to keep you healthy and fit and productive.

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>>134157467
>The Perfect system?
The Sybil System

>People have freedom.
>People aren't wasted
>99% garunteed to enjoy the job assigned to you
>Crime is almost non-existent.
>No niggers

>>134174029
>implying

>We'll get rid of money. Money causes greed.

Right off the bat, wrong as fuck. Good thing you aren't in charge of anything eh?

Greed isn't caused by money. Objectively.

>>134174029
I'd rather be a slave to money than be a slave to a corporation. In the 1st I work 8 hours a day, in the second I work 10-15 hours a day.

>>134174029
Also you're forgetting there are 7 BILLION fucking people on this planet.

>>134174171
New to the ancap thing?

>>134174217
Why would a corporation make you work 15 hours a day? That's just stupid, you wouldn't be productive at all. If a corporation has you long-term and you can't quit, you'll likely be working 4 days a week for about 9 hours. That's usually the maximum productivity for long-term work, along with big paid vacations.

Slavery doesn't mean wasting resources.

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>>134157467
Nice utopia. Keep dreaming commie.

>>134174330
Again, there are 7 BILLION people. The corporation doesn't care if a few of them die.

>>134157467
So what illness do I need to fake to be considered "can't work" and have the system work for me?

>>134174529
Ancap doesn't mean THEY can enslave you, it means you have to give yourself to a corporation as basically a slave. Nobody would want to work for a corporation that kills its employees.

Also who says killing your employees is better than sustainably using them up? That'd only be even possible for things like mining/farming and even then, isn't it better to get an engineer and use him up over the years to manage automated equipment?

>>134174651
>Implying #notallcorporations
Kys. Corporations only care about making money.

>>134157467
>so we get rid of money and implement imaginary money?
nigga whut?

>>134174970
No, not imaginary money, communism.
You know, breadlines & shit.

You described communism, retard.

>>134174856
I'm posting legit questions and points and you just respond with buzzwords. One doesn't get smarter by dismissing ideas.

Tell me again, why would a corporation that, let's say, does office work, be interested in exploiting it's workers to death, rather than using them up sustianbaly to ensure maximum productivity and quality?

>>134175125
>>134175154
wait, did i finaly understood it? is communism just capitalism that doesnt work?

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>>134157467
>the perfect system
A majority white nation that isn't socialist/communist. (scandinavia is neither before you start on that, socialists love scandinavia for some reason eventhough scandinavia hates socialists).
Keep niggers out of your society and let them ooga around in africa and stop giving them a damn thing so they start acting responsibly.

>>134175224
Because a corporation wouldn't do office work. Those companies are bought by megacorporations.

>>134175332
The megacorportation isn't interested in the individual worker in its sub-corporation. It's interested in, as you said, profit. The way the worker reaches his productivity depends on his overseer.

>>134157467
>find a flaw
Jews.

>>134175272
No.. Capitalism is based on supply & demand.

>>134175397
Exactly. Those overseers will always turn out to be tyrants (because that keeps productivity high). If a worker dies, he is replaced with a bum off the street (until that one dies).

>>134157467
So there's no money, but there kinda is, but you don't call it money, and there's no government, but there actually is, you just don't call it a government?

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>>134175272
>wait, did i finaly understood it? is communism just capitalism that doesnt work?
Bingo tell him what he has won! Communism just confiscates and outlaws private business creating a monster of a tyrannical totalitarian state that controls everything, meanwhile it also runs everything incompetently, because everyone who is good at something is declared burgoise and shipped off to the gulag for creating inequality. and there's no incentive to run it competently since everyone gets paid exactly the same no matter if you're a genius or a complete slob.

So when it runs out of things to ruin, the whole thing collapses, the workers are now 100x worse off and the communist directorate becomes completely draconian to even keep a semblance of a society going.

>>134157467
>We'll have a central system distribute resources based on how much work you do.
>If you can't work, you're supported by said system.

ya lets just keep giving lazy niggers free shit. it works out great

>>134175397
>>134175478
It's not like this shit has never been theorised:
https://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2010/06/five-sci-fi-megacorporations-i-dont-want-to-work-for.html

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>>134175509
>So there's no money, but there kinda is, but you don't call it money, and there's no government, but there actually is, you just don't call it a government?

He's a post scarcity larper forgetting we're a long long long way away from there especially because of non western countries being extremely shit at maintaining themselves even feeding themselves in many cases. And as an extra insult/obstacle they keep adding what.. 5-12 kids per family making their nations even shittier and the problems with even just feeding them even worse, increasing the demand for all kinds of things to a completely unacceptable level.

He dreams a dream of a perfect world but fails to realize what's fucking it up the most. And free enterprise and the motivation/incentives/progress in all kinds of areas of life it brings certainly isn't it.

I remember when i was that naive, fortunately it was many years ago.

Socialism in groups larger than 5.
Not even once.

>>134157467
>we'll have a central system distribute resources
Well there's a gigantic potential for corruption or specific interest/tribal groups taking over.

>we'll discuss it until humanity comes to a unanimous agreement
How is that different than the current state of affairs?

>>134157467
>until humanity comes to a unanimous agreement
>I dare you to find a flaw in this

Are you fucking high my dude?

>>134175478
>>134175665
These ideas are valid for SOME corporation. That's why ancap is still not viable and only will be once robots replace humans in most manual labour and such.

Also ancap is a thought experiment, nobody (nobody clever) thinks it's a real system to implement.

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>>134157467
>We'll have a central system distribute resources based on how much work you do.
>as advised by elected officials.
Sounds like a kikes wet dream

>>134157467
Get rid of jews and niggers first

>>134157467
>We'll get rid of money.
Ok.

>Money causes greed.
Actually money is just a tool to control the masses, but Ok.

>central system
No. You need local systems that deal with local communities. This is where we're going anyway with all the secession and exits.

>based on how much work you do
Debatable, as with automation work should be replaced with self-improvement, but I see where you're going.

>If you can't work, you're supported by said system.
Or local community. Ok.

>determined by all of humanity
Determined by the community you work in, as they are the ones who are affected by your work directly.

>humanity comes to a unanimous agreement
Never gonna happen. We hare just humans after all.

> elected officials
Meritocracy is better.

>Everyone will discuss
There's a lot of retards on the planet. Only people educated (and I don't mean school) enough should participate in the leadership.

But that's just liek my opinion, man.