I am a neoliberal, let's have a debate /pol/

>>134150229
Sage shill threads

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>>134150229

>>134150441
REMEMBER TO SAGE GOD DAMN IT

>>134150354
What's wrong snowflake, need your little safe space? Can't debate an intellectual, need to hide behind memes and catch phrases?

I'm probably the most well read, well studied man on this board, I'm a self described "policy wonk". I will destroy anyone that dares debate me.

>>134150510
>I'm probably the most well read, well studied man on this board
yikes. Smart people don't need to tell you their smart. And we don't need pointless bait threads shitting up the board

>>134150578
>the most well read, well studied man on this board
>yikes. Smart people don't need to tell you their smart. And we don't need pointless bait threads shitting

Not pointless at all my small brained friend! Debate is essential for a happy, healthy mind!

>>134150578
>their
>they're
because i know you'll sperg out about that

>>134150229
What is the best neoliberal war the US has ever fought, and who should we go to war with next?

>>134150666
well you're confirmed satan, so yea

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>>134150690
Well, I think you're confusing me with neoconservatives my friend! I don't support war, although I'll say the post WWII GI Bill was an example of well crafted public policy that improved this country! We need a 21st century GI Bill for the inner cities, so to speak.

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>>134150929
>We need a 21st century GI Bill for the inner cities, so to speak.

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>>134150929
My understanding of neo-liberalism is that they have the same basic foreign policy as neo-conservatives.Make democracy a religion in order to justify interventionism. Educate me about your foreign policy if I am wrong.

>>134150229
Why is the United States the best country in the world?

>>134150929
Eh, fuck it I'll bite, at least this is discussion. What topic specifically would you like to debate about?

so what does a neoliberal actually believe?
not some dribble about 'blah, blah, blah, I'm smart and stuff'

>>134150666
Okay, it's been about three minutes, I suppose I'll set the terms of debate in this case, what is your position on immigration?

>>134150229
You're fucking gay you faggot

>>134151416
My foreign policy is very basic, only act in the best interests of the United States. That's the underlying principle, so sometimes that may mean deposing of someone rotten in another nation if he poses some threat to our interest, sometimes it may mean being isolationist for decades. Neoconservatives seem to want to act in the interest of other nations.

>>134151592
Because it recognizes universal human rights, and given the current power disparity between nations (the US is militarily more powerful than the second best nation by a LARGE margin) I'd like to have someone that recognizes rights with that much power.

>>134151597
Whatever you like, I'm a policy wonk after all!

>>134151895
Immigration boosts GDP of the host nation, I say we have an open doors policy with immigrants having restricted access to the natives welfare state! Taco trucks everywhere, I say!

>>134151994
What's wrong with being gay? I think homophobes ought to be economically ostracized for to maintain national health.

>>134150229
(you)
But as embarrassing as it is, I used to be a neo-liberal in school.

>>134150229
This is what's wrong with you, you have segregated yourselves from the plain truth by retreating into statistics. Neoliberalism is just an insidious form of nihilism. You should be gutted and fed to the dogs.

>>134150229
Since you are so liberal and intelligent, how do you think Trump is doing on the environment? Better than Obama and Hillary?

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>>134150229
>I believe in evidence based policy

What do you think about racial differences in intelligence? How should we form society based on these scientifically proven differences?

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>>134152093

>boosts GDP of the host nation

yes multinational corporations make more money from mass immigration. no one here refutes this. the social cost to the health of a culture and people is not worth what net gains large companies make.

>>134150229
>Well, put simply, I believe in evidence based policy, following the facts wherever they may lead, and I believe that with the innovative power of capitalism and evidence based policy in our government, we can create safe, happy, healthy nations!

Can you be more specific that description encompases everything from social democrats to classical liberals

>>134151998
>That's the underlying principle, so sometimes that may mean deposing of someone rotten in another nation if he poses some threat to our interest, sometimes it may mean being isolationist for decades.

This is precious. You're a neocon with a pride lapel pin. Corporatist slave.

tard

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>>134150229
You're a nigger and I hate you. Post your rebuttal in no more than 5 minutes or you forfeit.

>>134152555
Do I believe in racism given an intellectual veneer? Lol, what will you ask next, do I believe in alchemy? Come on man, why are you guys so obsessed with 20th century eugenics nonsense?

>>134150229
Holy fuck. Been a while since i've seen a post this fucking gay.

>>134150229
>capitalism and government in the same sentence
hang ur self op

>>134152093
>>Taco trucks

Isn't that kind of stereotypical and racist?

Neoliberals don't build anything on evidence.

Sorry. They don't. If evidence based policy was a hallmark of liberalism, you wouldn't be following the same policies you have which have gutted middle america and destroyed inner cities, all while feeding them platitudes and creating a form of cannibalistic codependency that destroys communities while you and your well to do gated ivory tower elite reap the benefits.

You're alls prostitutes and gangsters hell bent on pimping and pandering the american people to your corporate masters.

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>>134150229 (Sage)
My friend, just a few tips:

* Ad-Hominem attacks look very bad for your argument from the get-go. If you're not a LARPer, and you're a genuine moderator, how can you not see that?

* Neoliberalism is a meme. You're just an overglorified Libertarian (capital L) with a bad case of identity crisis.

* We all believe in following the facts. That's why you have to come to 4ch to get the redpills.

Overall, disappointing thread. You're obviously not interested in discussion, but only a holier-than-thou mockery of what could've honestly been great dialectic. I've saged this, but I hope you've at least learned something.

[Obligatory] You fucking faggot.

>>134152880
>Come on man, why are you guys so obsessed with 20th century eugenics nonsense?

>I believe in evidence based policy
>I believe there are no differences between people of different races
Pick one or you're already contradicting yourself

>>134152537
Obama wasn't great on the environment. Given that I like facts, I'd say we needed to start beating down on climate change yesterday, so I'd love if Mr. Trump would do massive infrastructure spending on clean energy. Jobs + clean energy + a renewed optimism in science, seems like a no brainer to me. Mr. Trump seems to be pandering to coal miners whose jobs will never come back, sorry but that's just science.

>>134152919
Anarcho capitalism is an incoherent, fringe ideology. Private property can't exist without the state, and environmental regulations are necessary in the 21st century. Simply using some sort of tort system and property rights (which couldn't even be enforced in ancap world, but assuming they could) won't stop the greatest environmental threat of all time, climate change.

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Idealogical neoliberals don't exist. You just can't think your way into stupid. They're like Santa Clause or the Easter bunny or the FBI's dedication to Justice.

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>>134152880
I see you are not actually interested in evidence based policy as you say.

>>134153177
Middle america has taken a small hit, but the damage suffered by them has been more than made up by the increased happiness shared by the GLOBAL poor. China, India, and many African nations have seen severe poverty plummet. Sounds like the system is working, right?

>>134150229
How do you feel about NAFTA? Please address or at least consider the condition of maquilladoras and the Mexican interior in general, the state of American manufacturing, and the increasingly unequal distribution of wealth in all involved countries when you answer.

>>134153300 (Sage)
I can't even figure out where to begin, unpacking your non-factual arguments (especially about the relationship between government and the individual).

I'll spend a minute or two writing some things up, be right back.

>>134150229
I doubt you will uncuck on race realism, so I'll ask something else.

What are your thoughts on immigration and its effect on community cohesion. There have been several studies showing that the more diverse a area is the worse civic outcomes are. There is also some evidence to suggest that a countries diversity negatively correlates with empathy for fellow citizens and therefor leads to lower social spending(which I at least think is bad)

How do we resolve this issue?

>>134153422
I believe the poor education policy in this country is to blame for racial IQ discrepencies, not some eugenicist nonsense. Blacks need better SCHOOLS, not GENES. And schools can be changed with evidence based policy.

>>134153422
>Y axis with no scale
Nice chart, friend.

>>134152141
>Whats wrong with being gay?
You cant ask this question and be concerned about maintaining the national health. And if you need that explained any further your an idiot.

>>134153593
Michigan adoption study

>>134150229
Whats your opinion on Assad?

>>134152093
While I agree on cutting welfare access, the effect of migration to GDP is very small, for example, Australia allowed 180,000 permanent visas into the nation in 2010-2011 and overall they are projected to add about 700 million dollars into their economy over one year, that would be about 4000 AUD per capita, which I would say is the more important number to look at when looking at how the population generally does, and this is far below the average of 36000 AUD, when it comes to immigration, I typically prefer for there to be a meritocracy system which would boost the economy further. Another thing to look at is the cultural impact of immigration, where assimilation would be more important and having them in the middle class as opposed to an underclass which would eventually be replaced by automation anyways, leaving them below the poverty line. What's your response?

>>134153528
People tend to self segregate, problem solved. Cohesive communities will form naturally, whether it's along racial lines, religious lines, age lines, gender lines, sports team affiliation etc.

>>134153593
Intelligence is genetic and heritable.
Differences in intelligence between ethnic groups are due to genetics alone.
Better education will not change differences in group intelligence, they'll always remain.


Human intelligence up to 75% inheritible
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html

Human intelligence is highly heritable.
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.html

Scientific consensus is that IQ tests are not racially biased.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289608000305

Very poor Whites are comparably intelligent to very wealthy blacks.
http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

Black children raised in White households have similar IQs to black children in black households.
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1977-07996-001

The average African IQ is estimated at 79.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912003741

The average African-American IQ is 85, compared to the average White IQ of 100.
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf

The white-black gap in SAT scores, a proxy for IQ, is increasing.
http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

Genes for large brains, linked to high IQ, are common everywhere except Africa.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB115040765329081636

Intelligence has at least a 40-50% genetic basis.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/10/news/la-heb-genetic-study-intelligence-20110809

IQ scores are the best predictor of success in Western society.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160828135207/http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

IQ is 75% heritable among Whites.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160828135207/http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

France's IQ drops 4 points per decade because of African immigration
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615001221

Can you reconcile your post here
>>134153460
With the one here
>>134151998
>only act in the best interests of the United States

>>134153749
The reason Mexico is shit is because it is peopled by Mexicans. If we add millions of Mexicans to the US we will become more like Mexico. More crime, more corruption, more rape, etc.

Your position is transparently absurd and deeply immoral. I don't really believe you think this. I think you're just an edgy troll.

>>134153731
Bad, but probably better than any other alternative.

>>134153745
Only neoLuddites and commies believe that all work is going to be automated in the future, we're not going to see mass automation coupled with mass unemployment, ever.

>>134153749
We do not have freedom of association in this country since the civil rights act. separate but equal was actually a great policy, we just needed better enforcement on the equal part.

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>>134152770
Your a faggot and I hate you. Post your rebuttal in 5 minutes or your on the hang list basement dwelling scumbag. Then GTFO, and STFO

>>134153460
Come on man, gas yourself already

>>134153904
>we're not going to see mass automation coupled with mass unemployment, ever.

Except its already happened twice in the past?

>>134153904
>Bad, but probably better than any other alternative.
MOre reasonable than most in our current neo liberal regime, however Assad is not bad. He is leader in the middle east, thats why the Islamist Sunnnis hate him

>>134150229
>*let's Muslims into his country that put his family's safety at risk*
>*let's various other third world savages into his country to work for peanuts and destroy the job market for entry level workers so the elites can profit indefinitely*
>*votes to give his money to said savages so the elites can pay them even less while the taxpayers pick up the tab on the rest of their living expenses*
>*thinks men with breast implants are women*
>I'm so smart! Everybody look at how smart I am!

>>134153856
Well, the government exists to secure the safety of its citizens, not necessarily to ensure them an easy life. That much they need to do on their own. If they are getting cheaper goods because of people in other nations doing those jobs at a lower wage, so be it.

>>134153903
Even if it were true (it's not, humans are malleable to their environments) we could just keep first generation mexicans from accessing all the privileges that native citizens have, that way they can't vote politicians in that are corrupt or incompetent.

>>134150229
Even eveidence based policy is subject to bias.

As a side interest op what are your thoughts on the Republican healthcare reform? I think it is a decent start, but they need to add preloaded HSA accounts and preferably match poor peoples savings in this account in the same way employers match 401k matching. My preferred system would be to make catastrophic insurance affordable (40ish% actuarial value) for everyone and then use HSA subsidies to help people pay the out of pocket expenses.

Obamacare is awful because of the terrible incentive system it creates, and universal healthcare is even worse with pricing control creating shortages, and destroying innovation.

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>>134150354
FPBP

>>134153593
This faggot has to be fake.

>bumping a thread made by a lelditto
Sage this shit, cunts

>>134154180
You have yet to refute any of my studies. Is it safe to assume, (for the sake of the debate), that I am correct in this environment?

>>134154394
>401k matching
401k contributions*

>>134150229

>>134154180
Why do you ignore inconvenient questions? These aren't even stormfag bait.

>>134152595
>>134153091
>>134153480

>>134152141
Who decides the cutoff for 'homophobic'? Does not wanting a pre-op man transitioning into woman to pee next to my daughter in a bathroom make me homophobic?

>>134154464
Neo-liberals are generally right about a lot of things, but they deny race exists and because of that come up with all sorts of fucked up policy ideas. They can't actually argue against it logically though, they are use to just being able to claim antisemitism/racism and shutting the conversation down.

>>134153300
You realize that Obama supported a trade agreement called the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which would have outsourced more American jobs, right?

And you realize that the shipping industry is one of the greatest contributors to global carbon emissions?

The TPP also was heavily criticized due to its lack of environmental protections. The Paris Deal was also flawed due to the facts that it allowed polluters like China to keep polluting like they are to continue making cheap Chinese goods that fall apart easily and have to be remade and reshipped. We also have no way of actually enforcing it, so we have to take their word for it that they are actually upholding the deal. Hillary was for this deal and lied during the election; you know one of those public/private positions.

Trump wants more local manufacturing, which would decrease emissions from shipping. He also took the initial steps to bring back more steel manufacturing through executive order; the steel industry accounts for over 20% of current carbon emissions; the fact that we don't have to import it, means less emissions from shipping and higher environmental standards that can be enforced.

Also what do you mean by clean energy? Solar? How exactly do we get the rare earth metals required to make photovoltaic panels? Do they just magically pop out of the ground without any carbon being burned to acquire them? What about their 50 some year lifespan?

I'd like to know the answers to these questions, after all you are the brilliant liberal policy wonk and I'm just the dumb Trump supporter. However it is my humble opinion that if you want to "beat down" climate change, Trump is your guy.

P.S. Pandering to coal miners is not "science." And the Democrats strategy of calling a turd green, than flying in a private jet to a luxury resort to listen to actors talk about how the peasants should curtail their lifestyle isn't very environmentally friendly.

>>134153904
Well of course not all work obviously, I'm talking about the jobs that lower wage immigrants may typically get, such as in processing which is becoming more automated, besides that, the point I'm trying to make is that skilled entrepreneurial immigrants which would become self-employed and add to the economy more would be a larger priority than menial labor immigrants.

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>>134150229

>>134154255
>>134154180
This. OP, serious question. How will it ever be possible to be sure the facts you worship aren't being forged for you? If you were president, and I was a scientist with a dog in the race, I'd work my whole life to make sure you believed we have to stop global warming. How do you know the people giving you the facts aren't playing you for their own gain?

If it wasn't clear enough, (((((())))))

>>134154180
Sounds terrible, I can be safe and broke. I would trade security for wealth. I guess I am not a neo-lib.

>neoliberal
>believe in evidence based policy

sorry you can only choose one

>>134154180
>we could just keep first generation mexicans from accessing all the privileges that native citizens have
So you're arguing for slavery and you're pro segregation according to >>134153749. Why not take that a step further and say that certain classes of people should be in power (white people)? You claim to be believe in 'science based policy' so obviously you'd agree with >>134153819 in that regard. Am I missing anything here?

>>134150229
Neoliberalism is obsolete, you guys had a good 20 year run with a string of measly mouthed faggots and bull dikes preaching the multiculti Utopia, like Tony Blair and Merkel. The future is race war or Islamic domination. In either case you spineless faggots will quickly forget everything you believed in - because neoliberalism is a fair weather ideology. You're nothing people.

>>134153819
Holy shit OP, what's it like to get blown out this hard?

OP once again proving Reddit is full of faggots

>>134154180
>Even if it were true (it's not, humans are malleable to their environments)
It's obviously true. You think something about Mexican geography makes Mexicans the way they are? Anglo colonies, like USA, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand are all doing amazing. Mexico, also a colony, is doing quite poorly. I wonder if it could have to do with the fact that their people are half native, have demonstrably lower IQ, and different political ideas.

Have you noticed how hispanics in the US tend to vote Democrat whereas whites tend to vote conservative. What kind of integration or adaptation do you think is happening here?

>we could just keep first generation mexicans from accessing all the privileges that native citizens have, that way they can't vote politicians in that are corrupt or incompetent

You obviously have zero grasp of history or politics. Why you would try to discuss politics is a mystery. Look at the electoral history of California. It used to be a conservative state, and has recently shifted far left - not coincidentally, it has admitted millions of hispanics. Hispanics that disproportionately vote Democrat. California has a state income tax, sales tax, insane housing markets in the major cities, crime problems, water problems, and is deeply in debt. Hmmm, who do we know who is demonstrably shit at running governments who has recently taken over California?

>>134150229
you could literally call yourself a neo-conservative and have the exact same kind of thread
please learn what neo-liberalism is before you subscribe to it, the more you learn it the more you will hate it.

>>134152093
importing low wage workers essentially imports more people to take on debt and prop up the welfare state for that much longer

all that these crooks are doing by opening the border is prolonging the moment until this entire house of cards collapses

fuck you for wanting open immigration

i bet you live in a gated community far away from where these migrants actually settle

>>134154394
I'd like to see a national, universal program for catastrophic injuries/ailments, and a mostly free market for everything else. We've got really weird expectations for healthcare in this country in terms of what should be covered by insurance and what shouldn't.

>>134154464
I simply don't have time to read racial pseudoscience.

>>134152595
How can this social cost be quantified?

>>134153091
Stereotypes aren't necessarily racist, if you have more mexican immigrants you'll have more taco trucks.

>>134153480
I believe in absolute free trade. There may be some cases and some particular circumstances where tariffs and trade restrictions can help a nation short term, but once you allow that to happen you are opening a can of worms with regards to special interests and regulatory capture.

>>134151998
>My foreign policy is very basic, only act in the best interests of the United States. That's the underlying principle, so sometimes that may mean deposing of someone rotten in another nation if he poses some threat to our interest, sometimes it may mean being isolationist for decades. Neoconservatives seem to want to act in the interest of other nations.
I don't think you understand your own political label.

>>134155072
>how can the social cost be quantified

by the amount of women and children that get raped

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>>134150229
White genocide. Cultural marxism. Your political positions are irrelevant and if you are white, race treason.

sage

>>134155186
this is astoundingly accurate

10 more minutes people, give me your meatiest, juiciest questions before I have to hit the sack! This neoliberal needs to get the optimal amount of shut eye! You guys can continue duking it out while I'm gone.

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>>134155072
>>134152595
It objectively does not boost the economy. Only whites contribute. All others drain from whites.

sage

>>134150229
I like neoliberalism and like how you guys BTFO commies on Reddit. The only wing of it I don't like is the Hillary wing that looks down on rural people. I'm more of a Reagan/Macron guy.

The only way humanity will advance at this rate is if we are united under capitalism. It is inevitable.

>>134155072
>I simply don't have time to read racial pseudoscience.
Which isn't an argument. You clearly don't have an argument to begin with, and all of your "evidence based" policies lack evidence or support (so far). You're nothing but an intellectual hack, and it shows.

>>134154654
Which is exactly my point

>>134155372
again, all it does is allow the welfare state to expand and for the state to import new debt holders to prop it up

>>134155072
>I simply don't have time to read racial pseudoscience.
Ah there's nothing quite like someone who closes their eyes and plugs their ears when presented with evidence that goes against their beliefs. Learn what 'cognitive dissonance' is

>>134155347
Yes, go to sleep. You have accomplished nothing, nor will you by the looks of it.

>>134153593
See >>134152555

Blacks at the highest income bracket do not even reach the intelligence of whites at the lowest income bracket

This has nothing to do with lack of resources

>>134155347
Shifting to foreign policy, you mentioned earlier about deposing a nation if they are a threat to our interest, what dictator would you say was a just cause to overthrow after World War 2?

>>134155647
*deposing a leader of a nation

>>134155072
>I'd like to see a national, universal program for catastrophic injuries/ailments, and a mostly free market for everything else. We've got really weird expectations for healthcare in this country in terms of what should be covered by insurance and what shouldn't.

That's basically what I want except for private catastrophic coverage which would be subsidized for the poor. If you wanted to do basic catastrophic coverage and then allow supplemental insurance like medicare does I would be fine with that as well. Another issue is that in a free market poor people won't be able to pay deductibles and out of pocket expenses, which is why I think we should give them a certain amount of money each year that can only be spent on healthcare(preloaded HSAs)

What are your thoughts on the individual mandate? It's very unpopular, but you really need something like it if we are going to cover pre-existing conditions.

how many dicks have you sucked?

>>134155444
well we arn't going to hit a global economy of 100 trillion by letting people stay home

>>134155637
That's strange to me, I was under the impression that IQ was highly correlated with income, so if you took 10,000 whites with a 100 IQ and 10,000 blacks with a 100 IQ, they'd have the same average income. It's just that you're less likely to find blacks with higher IQs.

>>134155647
In all honesty I'd say none.

>>134155615
I'm one of the most intelligent men to ever roam this planet.

>>134150229
Conservative here, I actually don't disagree with anything you described, as worded, in the OP

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>>134155853
>I'm one of the most intelligent men to ever roam this planet.
lol

>>134150229
if blacks and hispanics have the lowest average IQ, as studies show, and blacks and hispanics generally vote Democrat/liberal, then what exactly makes you think that being intelligent makes you liberal?
What proof do you have?

>>134155347
ok sure my biggest issue with neo-liberals is free trade.

How can you have free trade without creating a race to the bottom in terms of labor conditions. Any country that improves worker conditions at the expense of productivity makes the products created in their country less competitive and creates a trade deficit in their country. The natural incentives here are for every country to lower worker protections.

There is a reason why China has a massive trade surplus as well as terrible worker conditions.

>>134155072
>I believe in absolute free trade. There may be some cases and some particular circumstances where tariffs and trade restrictions can help a nation short term, but once you allow that to happen you are opening a can of worms with regards to special interests and regulatory capture.

So you're willing to retain NAFTA on ideological principle, even when you yourself admit that this is an example of failed policy?

Interesting.

>>134155832
this is the problem with neoliberalism

all you people are able to do is quantify people as social insurance numbers and economic units

you ignore their lives, their cultures, their beliefs, their dreams, etc. all in the sociopathic pursuit of your economic ideology.

you are no better than the communists that destroyed my people but you're so far up your own as that you can't see that

>>134155853
>I'm one of the most intelligent men to ever roam this planet.
Then you'd have no trouble dispelling "pseudoscience", as you call it. Enjoy your sleep.

>>134155948
Even if I accept that, maybe high IQ whites are liberal for reasons different than the ones low IQ blacks and mestizos choose to be liberal.

>>134155853
I'd agree. It's been an interesting debate, the thing about neoliberalism is there's so many different types ranging from Pinochet to Clinton to Macron that it's very hard to gauge the core of what it's about. Thanks for the discussion.

>>134152911
>I'm a policy wonk


OP IS A FAGGOT

>>134156086
*ass

fuggggg

>>134150229

It's been a while since I've debated with a redditor, so, I'll bite. Choose a point, we can discuss whichever you'd like.


> I firmly believe each person has the fundamental right to be as well armed as the government overseeing them.

> I firmly believe that there are distinct and measurable physiological and psychological differences between separate races, that stem from millennia of seperate evolution in completely different environments.

> I firmly believe that it is unnatural for a man to force his penis into another man's sphincter.

> I firmly believe multiculturalism is the death of group identity, and that group identity is critical to the survival of any human people.

Take a moment to look past the toxicity of my views, attempt to understand my arguments and I'll do the same for yours. I'd relish the chance to discuss them with you.

Signing off now people, farewell! Was I a LARPer the whole time, trying to stimulate some actual discussion on this board? Who knows?

>>134150229
>Moderator over at r/neoliberal here!
might wanna take that rat nose of yours and go back there.

>>134156209
I'll give one more response because you replied just as I was leaving.

>I believe they don't. Who is right then?

>Maybe true, I don't know

>Natural is whatever humans do, so that is by definition natural, though I'll admit it's abnormal

>Possibly, I believe in freedom of association in interpersonal relationships, not business ones

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>>134156309
I'm actually a communist and LARP as a nazi. You were clearly to far right to be an actual neo-libeal, although both liberals and nazis are both scum so I guess it makes sense your views would largely align with one another.

>>134153593
CONFIRMED BAIT

SAGEd

>>134156477
People with dissenting opinions on race realism only make me feel more secure in my beliefs because their arguments are utter trash.

"im not going to read your studies, they are racist"

Excellent work.

>>134153460
Strange. You said in >>134151998
>My foreign policy is very basic, only act in the best interests of the United States

Why is your foreign policy geared toward acting in American interests, yet other (unspecified) policies referred to by >>134153177 is justified by some sort of universal utilitarian calculus?
It looks like your underlying system of beliefs is governed by a hodgepodge of incoherent and inconsistent logics similar to that of most everyday common people.

>>134156572
I am actually a neoliberal and LARP as a communist who LARPs as a Nazi. You are clearly too far right to be an actual communist, although both nazis and communists are both scum so I guess it makes sense your views would largely align with one another

>>134150229
You are utilitarian and advocate for public law via state apparatus. We will probably never move past that point.

But I'm curious what evidence based policy is anyway. So what's that?

>>134150229
> calls himself neoliberal
> chains some loosely coupled ideas that could be stretched to many different ideologies and systems, in a muh feelings format, to trigger the Reddit Circlejerk®
checks out: plebbitor libtard grade post
come back when you have a concrete idea you want destroyed

>>134155853
>I was under the impression that IQ was highly correlated with income

It is, but look at the chart >>134152555

Blacks simply start at a lower point and their intelligence goes up from there based on their income

Whites start at a higher point and their intelligence also goes up with income

That base point is what we call genetics my friend

It's time to take the red pill

>>134156835
I am actually a C*nadian who LARPs as a neoliberal and LARPs as a communist who LARPs as a Nazi. You are clearly too far south to be an actual Canadian, although both Canadians and neoliberal are both scum so I guess it makes sense your views would largely align with one another.

>>134157226
>muh feels
I have trouble seeing neoliberlal/conservatism as anything but this
its politics for emotional dumdums

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>>134157465
I'm actually an Ancap who LARPs as a Libertarian (capital L) who LARPs as a Minarchist who LARPs as a neo-conservative who LARPs as a fascist who LARPs as an Ancap

>>134156477

Hmm, thank you for replying. In case you read this post, here's my response:

> If the government is by the people, for the people, the government should be an extension of the people's will. Should the government turn against the will its citizens, it is the citizen's right to overthrow that government. It is not possible to do so without equality of arms, and such an uprising would not occur if the government abided by the will of its citizens. If the government trusts its citizens, and does its best to improve the lives of its citizens, it has no reason to deny them the right to equality of arms.

> Take a look at Darwin's Island, on it, a handful of distinct bird species with distinct physiologies and behavioral patterns evolved to fill seperate niches in the same environment. Humans are animals, it's the height of denialism to state the differences between groups of humans that evolved under different circumstances only run skin deep. I'm not advocating for racial segregation or racial policy, I'm simply advocating that humanity as a species, recognizes and embraces the genetic differences that make them human.

> Evolutionary fitness in nature is determined by an individual's ability to pass his or her genetic legacy on to the next generation. It is impossible for a homosexual male to pass his genetic legacy on to the next generation, therefore, homosexuality is evolutionary unfit, and therefore, detrimental to the species.

> Fair enough, I believe non-meritocratic immigration is a net loss for the host nation, and that immigrants are better off furthering their own people's in their own nation. A neolithic tribe that welcomed another tribe's people into its hunting grounds would soon go extinct. Likewise, a nation-state that welcomes another modern nation-state's people into its workforce will soon go extinct.

> (1/2)

>>134157853

> At its most base level, the nation-state is the modernized tribe, a tribe must have competition in the form of other tribes, or it will grow lazy and progress will stagnate. If there is no nation, there can be no competitor to rally against, and thus, under globalism, there can be no progress.

If you've gotten this far, thank you for reading this. I hope it's been insightful, have a nice life.

> (2/2)

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>>134150229
>but I know you guys use that "redditor here!" line to mock redditors, so I was being doubly ironic

Jesus, you're immediately fucking insufferable.

>>134157556
the
> we can create safe, happy, healthy nations!
end, along with the gov policies mention, is highly suspicious, junk bait bordering
if he actually wanted to promote, or test neolibs, he should have focused in the economics of privatization
and neolib is an overused term, corrupted, as usual, by US marxist academia, to mean
> the root of all evil is less gov

>>134150229
report and move on

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>>134158604
I am Lolbertarian, God of LARP.
Bring me your crime statistics.

>>134150510
"A king does not need to tell others that he is king." - Sir Tywin Lannister

>>134152093
Ahahahaha low iq spics boost gdp? Are you retarded?

>>134153593
AHAHAHAHHAHA
>children of rich blacks that make more than 200k a year score lower on the sat than children of poor whites that make less than 10k a year and also commit more crime
Guess you can't use MUH SOCIO ECONOMICS
get fucked, libcuck.

>>134150229

you took yourself down with the gayest post I have seen in years if it is even possible to best the BBC cuck posters at such a thing.

you win. I'm out.

>>134150510
liberals want to be passive in a dynamic world. there i beat you.

>>134150229
>Moderator over at r/neolib
Brainlet detected. Saged.

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>>134152365
>he thinks that being an anarchist is anything better