Sex Ed

At least there's no haram interacial propaganda in this stuff from the 80s.

>>134147243
Wait wait.
So if I have sex my fucking testicles are going to come flying out of my dick and end up in this lady's stomach?! Thank god I never fell for that trick.

>>134147243
>Sex ed is one of the huge causes of degeneracy in society

No it is not. You need to back claims like this up, boy.
There are 100 other things that contribute to this degeneracy these days

its been proven a million times over that sexual education DRASTICALLY REDUCES teen pregnancies, std rates, sexual assaults and teen suicide. what kind of retard promotes ignorance? knowledge is power, fagit

>>134147243
>GINGERED

>>134147243
>We teach children what sex is and how to do it (safely!) as early as 9 years old
Proof? And if you've been to schools you should know that schools aren't "planting the idea that they should be having sex at a young age". Sex education teaches them how the reproductive system and how to have safe sex because the school can't stop teenage girls and boys having sex if their parents are gone.

>>134147243
>Wants more white people
>Shoves it up the wrong hole due to no sex ed

What happened to just teaching them bits of it as they go along? If they live near animals they'll inevitably ask questions. They don't need to know the nitty gritty about sex and safe sex until puberty or so.

>>134147243
Back in the good old days kids learned about sex by watching farm animals fuck. Or just by living in one room houses with their parents while they were producing their siblings.

>>134147243
Because when they don't have sex ed, they'll be curious about sex and their only knowledge about it will be from porn, resulting in retards not wearing a condom then whining when they get the girl pregnant. Better sex ed will make us more educated and thus, less thots as they now know that STDs are a thing.

>>134147753
They don't explicitly tell kids they should be having sex. But making it part of the curriculum teaches them that it's almost expected that they have sex.

>>134147243
>blonde girl with blonde pubes
>mohammed beard on guy

checks out

>>134148139
>by teaching kids history we expect them to start wars while 10 years old

>>134147243
Dude, almost every kid who gets sex ed already knows what sex is years before they get their first class.

>>134148139
>HRRRRNNNNN teaching kids about something means you are telling them to go do it
burger education ladies and gentlemen

>>134147577
Yeah in whites. The mud people still breed out of control.

>>134148344
That's not the point. By having adults tell you it's acceptable and expected to have sex, it removes the social stigma of having premarital sex in your teens. This indoctrination has been going on for decades, so we're well past the point of having a society which doesn't expose kids to sex before they even encounter a sex-ed class.

>>134147243
>describe situation as "making love"
>justify the worst degeneracy in society with "love is love"
what could go wrong

>>134147243
would you instead prefer a fucking world where teenagers get pregnant at 12? We are inclined biologically to experiment sexually, and this starts right after puberty. Nobody wants a bunch of emotionally scarred poor kids running around

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>>134147243
Are you retarded? How else are you supposed to fight a declining birth rate? Import africans?

>>134148529
>not understanding indoctrination
>not seeing the correllation between increased openness about sex and moral degeneracy over the decades

We watched that Nova documentary about sex in 7th grade. It contained a scene where they managed to have some sort of a camera up the vagina to show what ejaculation looked like.

>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWW!
>I'M NEVER HAVING SEX EVER

That was probably some of the most effective sex ed.

>>134149097
The rate of nonmarital teen births have increased from 10% in 1957 to 80% today.

>>134148098
This. I learned about sex when me and my brother hid in the closet while my cousin Henrique fucked his gf. I was 12, my brother 14 and my cousin 17 at the time. I was rock hard and for years I fapped to the memories of that afternoon.

>>134149704
To be fair, you're subhuman so your experiences count for nothing.

>>134149839
It's very important to me to give autism a voice so thank you brother Kevin for this beautiful opinion.

>>134149596
because people dont give a fuck about marriage anymore

>>134149704
>>134150066
I found your story amusing, hue-bro.

>>134149839
Fuck off. Hues are OK.

>>134148858
>premarital sex
I love it how /pol/-acks bash sex outside marriage based solely on the fact that they are unable go get any.

Being a virgin autist is not an achievement, it's just pathetic.

Plus, actively avoiding and denying yourself sex and/or replacing it with wanking literally does severe mental damage. If you're saving your first sexual experience for after you're married, something is really, really wrong inside your head.

>>134149401
>It contained a scene where they managed to have some sort of a camera up the vagina to show what ejaculation looked like.
that was a bloke fucking a fleshlight, mate.

>>134149704
At least you lerned it from people. My great uncle ruined his first swing in the hay becouse he was convinced that you need to do it from behind like cows do and put it in the wrong hole. He got called 'asshole' for years.

>>134147577
>>134148747
>white people stop having children
>everyone brown and darker continue to pump them out

makes joggin' noggin

>>134150495
Did they have fleshlights back then?

Whatever it was, it was still especially alarming because you could see the semen swirling around in the rest of the present fluids. I think that's what really got most of the classroom.

>>134150694
we've had sex toys since the dawn of man. the welsh were pioneers in the field of male sex toys.

>>134147243
>9 years old
lmao
I didnt learn about sex to highschool
my son didn't even learn about puberty until he was 11 im calling bullshit

>>134150826
Well obviously. I don't remember what they described it as being actually. The whole thing seemed to be a good reason to nod off in class, something to do with how cells reproduce or whatever, and then all of a sudden there's a cock pounding a whatever and nutting.

I thought that was somewhat unnecessary, but it was all couched so scientifically.

>>134147243
>male has nappy hair
>female is blonde
Every god dam time

>>134147243
HOLY KEK OP i found this exact book when i was about 5 was the funniest thing I'd ever seen

>>134150694
It's just a rubber tube, dude. Pretty sure they had them for a while. If they found dildos everywhere from stone age caves to medieval castles then there sure were fleshlights in time to make this vid.

>>134151126
So how did you thought kids were made? And honestly never saw animals fuck? Or were they "just plaing"?

>>134150826
>the welsh were pioneers in the field of male sex toys.
What?

>>134147243
>things US americans will never understand
by the way, the man's skin color is too light if it's american literature

>>134150363
Thanks burgerbro.

>>134150508
Lmao. I feel sorry for him. I went to a rural school and things were very mysterious before Google. There were two lads at my school that were fucked by lack of sex knowledge:

>Sixth grade
>we all fapping like mofos
>a guy from my claas tell this dork kid "yeah bro when I fap I put my little finger in my ass"
>His friend goes on and say "yeah, everyone who is cool does this" and shit like that
>next day we all ask this kid if he put his little finger in his ass while masturbating
>y-yeah I do

Poor lad, his nickname is "Mindinho" (little finger) until this very day, 20 years later

The other story was from a pervert that studied with me from 4th to 8th grade called Marcos Vinicius:
>teacher assign group work
>Trios
>Me and best friend are put with Marcos
>"You guys could come this afternoon at my home to do the work. My parents won't be at home" he says and we agree
>at two pm we arrive at his house in our bikes
>Fucking huge. Pool, three rooms, a billiards table
>"Hey guys you arrived early. I was just having some fun ha"
>"What do you mean Marcos?"
>"You gotta see this"
>He led us through his garden to behind a mango tree
>There lied a watermelon with a hole on it with saran wrap protuberances
>Holy fucking shit this cunt is really fucking a watermelon
>Says nothing
>Do work, goes home
>Never talked to him again

I remember as a kid laughing at dogs who got stuck after mating and wondered if the same thing could happen to people for years

>>134151662
Happens all the time, it's called marriage.

>>134151662
be hard for rapists to make clean escapes if humans did that

>>134147243
Holy shit what is wrong with you? Sex is part of life.

>>134147243
>>134147243
>>134147243
we should meme a repeal of this because it shows the man on top in the dominant position

>>134151909
kek

>>134151909
Kek

>>134151654
kek, it sucks doing stupid shit as a kid because you get nicknamed after that forever

Also, I remember this kid that used to masturbate dogs all the time. Actually, the entire family was weird, his mom was rumored to be a whore because the dad was like a 70 year old and the mom was a young milf. Also, his older sister stuck a hot dog up her vag when she was like 14 and it broke so she had to go to the hospital and everyone found out. The perks of living in a small town, I guess.

>>134147243
They actually drew his curly pubes

>>134151654
>6th grade
That's like I think 10 in the US. Seems a little early for everybody fapping or maybe things are different these days.

Sex ed started at about 8 or 9. Kind of seems overdone, but at least it stuck mainly to sensible things like how the anatomy worked, how to not get a girl pregnant, how to not catch diseases, and other practical things like that. It wasn't all how to put on a condom and the right way to have buttsex.

Pretty sure almost everybody at least knew how making babies worked years before then though. Seems like kind of obvious.

>>134147243
>We teach them as early as the age of 9
>Atleast that's when i had one

And how did you turn out OP?

Kids need to grow up faster. They need to be ready to make choices about reproduction before they are capable so they don't literally fuck their lives up by having kids too soon or too late.

It is adults who wanna fuck kids that make this into kink.

>>134152031
Not yours though you estrogenic queer beta NEET. Kys

>>134152665
Most people actually begin fapping from 9 to 10, at least when I was young (I'm 30 now). I still remember my little 10 year old boners and how I'd have really strong, dry orgasms, one after another. Good times, I used to fap to simple things like seeing tits while watching Ranma 1/2 or shit like that. Now I last forever to bust a nut with a woman and blowjobs seldom make me cum.

>>134152694
Looks like he turned out to be a faggot.

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>>134147243
>in school literally get thought to in a nutshell just wear protection
>then parents wonder why their little daughters are whores
Lets get to the real cancer public school every evil thing I learned was from other kids at school, you cannot raise a good son or daughter if they are going to public school.

>>134153217
Well duh, we don't have a massive cheap mixed race menial labor force if white women don't all have 15 children with tyrone and jamal, now do we goyim?

>>134147577
I'm with you on this one. There's a lot more degenerate shit in society than sex ed.

If you don't teach it to them at all, they're gonna hit puberty and start wanting to get sexually active a few years later, regardless. Counting on modern parents to properly discuss it with them, at a societal level, is a pipe dream at best. Teens WANT to fuck each other, that's part of becoming an adult.

Blame the decline of Christianity in Western society if you want to complain about young people getting sexually active earlier than what their parents want. Not teaching them about what sex is, and its consequences is just promoting ignorance and will simply lead to the greater spread of STDs, teen pregnancies, and abortions.

If anything, I think maybe they should learn it a bit older. I myself learned at 10 in 5th grade. It would probably be more appropriate in 7th or 8th grade. When students are more like 12-14.

Maybe learning about what sex is when I was 10 led to me fucking my girlfriend when I was 15, and not 21 and married? I don't know. I sure as fuck turned out fine though. All I know is there's a lot more harmful shit in society than that, by far.

>>134152469

Top kek. That's hilarious. I live in a small city too. 30k inhabitants.

>>134152665
6th grade in Brazil is 12-13 yo. First grade is 7 yo after preschool.
I approve this kind of sex ed. I had none of this shit. But my kids are having it now. It's good because save me from having to teach my son how to put on a condom and how clamidia and herpes can ruin your life when time comes. Let the teachers do this embarrassing part. About knowledge, the more the kids know from the official sources the better. When I was young people said a lot of stupid shit with zero thought and kids believed. Stuff like grape soda was manufactured to kill poor people and if you busted a nut on a pool you could get your mom preggo.

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>>134147243
i thought that the girl was wearing a Egyptian head dress and was expecting this to be a KANGZ/blacked thread

>>134152899
Hmm. Puberty hit a little later for me and it just culturally wasn't much of a thing to talk about wanking with your friends, so maybe I'm off on my estimates. Getting hand jobs from girls and stuff didn't really start being part of the gossip until about 12. I'm almost 10 years older than you are though.

Those early dry orgasms were the worst though because there was no good way to figure you might as well stop already.

>>134147810
The problem is that a lot of children that aren't exposed to farms or pet breeding are never gonna get that exposure. I won't lie, I myself didn't really know shit about it until I was taught about it by my parents and teachers.

>>134148139
I went through sex ed almost 20 years ago nigger, I definitely don't remember them saying we should go out and fuck. What has you convinced that it is encouraging teens to have sex?

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>>134147243
I didn't go to public school.
I learned about sex through porn topkek.

>>134147243
Why write a sentence like sperm "come out of the tip of his penis"? They don't come out of the tip, the come out of his testicles, down his urethra and out of a hole in the tip.

>>134149401
Until you turn like 14 and realize the idea of blowing a nut in some chick's pussy is satisfying on a different level. Funny how that works.

>>134150495
No, I have a gif of it.
Probably can't post it here though lel.

>>134154090
See that's why I have more respect for the sex ed of my day and age where we'd get something more like an anatomical diagram from a biology textbook.

There was no need to show what copulation looked like. Pretty obvious that p0n0s goes in vag00.

Also the first time I had sex I realized how close the actual vagina hole is to the anus. Any other oldfag else got surprised by this fact the first time you saw a vagina?

>>134150161
It also has to do with the point that women would get sent away and ridiculed for life for having a child out of wedlock, much less being a teen when they did it. Shit, my grandmother was adopted in the 20s because of my Roman Catholic, Polish great grandmother giving birth out of wedlock from an affair with a married man. She was sent off to a 'woman's home' and totally shamed/exiled from the family for it.

Has society become more open about sex? It sure has. Is it degenerate? Depends on who you ask. OP sounds like the kind of character that wants to choose his daughter's husband while he's at it. That kind of traditionalist shit is beyond conservativism, it's a thing of the past.

All I know is that we aren't gonna reverse society's sexual preferences without importing some psycho religion like Islam. I think I'll stick with preteens taking sex-ed.

>>134150826
Sheep?

>>134154560
Yes. Animal intestine were the first condoms and fleshlights.

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>teach me about puberty
>teach me about sex organs
>teach me about what occurs during sex

>doesn't teach me how to actually get to the point of having sex

The system failed me

>>134147454
under rated

>>134147243
They should teach finance instead of sex ed. Teach kids how much it costs to raise children, or how sick they'll get from STDs. They will voluntarily practice safe sex or abstinence.

>>134152935
Of course, I mean this is OP we're talking about here.

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>>134147243
>We teach children what sex is and how to do it (safely!) as early as 9 years old
Burgers really do this? That's fucking insane.

Sex ed didn't start for me until 16, and even then they just gave us BOOKS. Didn't even have a lecture or anything about it. Singapore has a notoriously conservative and prudish government, but guess what: we have practically no pregnancies from teens or women out of wedlock.

Burgers are cracked.

>>134154652
I'm making a joke about Welsh people fucking sheep, but that works too anon.

>>134154777
Step 1: Be attractive.

SEMEN IS NOT STORED IN THE TESTES
YOU DUMB FUCKS

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>>134154930
well no surprise you all look like insects

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>>134154930
I think it's excessive. Probably good to cover some important bits whether it's books or whatever else, but when you're 9 and the teacher announces this week we're going to spend 5th period in "sex ed" where we learn about sex!

And then the whole classroom runs down the hall screaming because
>BENIS :DDDD
>BAGINA :---DDD!!!

That's questionable. Incidentally, they also taught us about drugs at the same age. Some of it was effective, but I think on the whole it got the wrong kids interested to experiment.

>>134155059
From what I've seen most people having sex aren't particularly attractive

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>>134154425
Yeah it was bizarre. I'd say it was stranger once I stuck a finger in and was just digging around this little alien cave feeling the texture. I wonder what the female interpretation of their first penis is like.

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>>134155143
Sure mate, keep telling yourself that to keep you distracted from your on inferiority.

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>>134155364
really?
keep lying to yourself.

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>>134147243
cuntservatives are the niggers of niggers

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Mean while, in Sweden

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>>134147243
Its one of the 11 steps to cultural marxism.

>>134155589
Or German??

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>>134155505
Do you keep a whole folder for images like this?

You must be really insecure.

>>134155254
That sounds like hell. God, I was barely even conscious when I was 9.

Sex ED shouldnt even have to be taught in schools, but sadly parents are retards. 90% of them are either slacker baby boomer / millennial shitheads who dont raise their kids for shit, or helicopter freaks who probably have cameras in their toilets to spy on their kids assholes because they're so strict

>>134155589
you forgot to make the woman fat lefty type and guy short n fat

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>>134155653
Only 3, when one of your fellow insects got btfo.

>>134155605
Great video if you haven't seen it, great channel too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTmNWY0ZPfM&t=407s

>>134147243
They teach sex ed at 9 now? Fucking where?? That does seem extremely young. I can see how it might encourage them to want to experiment earlier than they would have. We didn't talk about sex, contraception, STDs etc until 9th grade (ages 14/15) at my school. We did have the puberty talk in 5th grade (ages 10/11) though. That was kind of late, at least for me, as I had already started it.
It would make sense to teach sex ed at around age 13. Not too early so it won't give them ideas, but not too late if some kids already start to loose their virginity at 14.

>>134155653
>God, I was barely even conscious when I was 9
I met my first black guy at 9. He pretended a mechanical pencil was a needle he could shoot up with. First time somebody ever pushed me on to the floor in a fit of rage.

Also had my first real crush on a girl at 9. My friends told me I should have made a move, but I was too shy. She eventually got knocked up early. Instead this fat girl mistook my kindness for wanting to hang out and I had to figure out how to make her stop hanging around me.

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>>134155730
>one of your fellow insects got btfo.
Sure mate, whatever you say. Anyhow I thought the turkroaches were the insects of the board.

Like any race, it's a bell-curve. You're going to have the hideous and beautiful people no matter where you go.

Except for South Chinese. And blacks. They're a bit lower on the spectrum.

>>134147243
>>134147808

https://web.archive.org/web/20040313125610/http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_427790.html?menu=news.quirkies

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>>134155972
Asians and niggers are almost universally ugly.
Also, why you posting little kids, faggot?

>>134151909
lol

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>>134156139
>Asians and niggers are almost universally ugly.
Asians might not be to your taste, but come to Singapore and you'll see what is contrary to your current view.


>Also, why you posting little kids, faggot?
Because this is 4chan. Why else?

>>134155903
Interesting stories. Schools here aren't exactly squeaky clean either because of all the poos and other SE Asians we get, so I have some experiences. Once in first grade some Indian lad held me against the wall and cut me with the blade of a pencil sharpener. He was kicked out of the entire school for that debacle. I got in some fist-fights every so often, but I always lost because I was and am a scrawny nerd.

I think I had my first crush at around 12. I went over to her flat quite often, and guess what we did? We talked, or hit the books and studied. I was in her bedroom with the doors closed, sitting on her bed, and it was totally innocent. Her Mum would often invite me for dinner and cook my favourite things... spending time at that place is one of the most pleasant memories of my youth.

>>134154777
this

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>>134147243
>We're telling kids you're literally a bad student if you're not doing your homework by having sex.

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>>134147243

There was a christian conservative women who home schooled her kids to shelter them from sex ed. She sheltered them and never talked about sexual intercourse or taught them about anything of the sort. You know what happened to those kids? They ended up fucking each other.

>>134156720
>I was in her bedroom with the doors closed, sitting on her bed, and it was totally innocent. Her Mum would often invite me for dinner and cook my favourite things...
Aw, that's sweet as hell. I never had the courage to do that, but it sounds like the kind of small town kind of thing that might have happened.

>>134157292
Yup, happens too often.
It's so fucking hilarious too. They're either into weird incest or the brothers jerked each other off.

>>134147454
Don't worry, they always grow back

Benis :DDDDDDD

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>>134157299
Singapore is essentially one giant small town. There is a mutual trust even amongst strangers, and we live as one community.

>Aw, that's sweet as hell.
Tell me about it. Even though that was way back in 1997-2000, I still resent how things slowly got so much more complicated upon entering adulthood. We've conquered nature and live like kings, why can't we have a second Eden where we don't have to do anything or worry about mere bagatelles? Why can't relationships and friendships be simpler and operate on simpler terms?

Sometimes I look at modern life and my own life, and my brain just fries. Is this just me? Is this an Asian thing?

>>134147243
Sex ed is a thing because lots of parents are irresponsible or in denial about their children.

I can guarantee you by the time they teach sex ed in highschool kids already know most of it anyway. It's just an excuse to put condoms on bananas and av a giggle.

>>134147243
I knew where the dick went when I was seven and I learned it from my best friend. I remember teaching him what jerking off was. Kids will learn it from the internet or themselves.

>>134151329

I saw that same video. He's having sex with a woman.

>>134158676
You know I live in an area of large Chinese immigration. Enough that they don't really all speak English anymore.

I have to say I see more of them in cute hand-holding relationships than any other demographic these days. I've been to that part of the world a few times, and there's definitely something old fashioned and simple about personal interaction that the US has lost somewhat.

>>134148747
>>134150588
>MUH WITE GENECIDE
who the fuck is talking about whites? schools arent segregated, retards.

>>134159466
>cute hand-holding relationships
How old were these chaps? We are old-fashioned, but I feel relationships are just as complex here as in the west.... in my own experience at least.

Sex Ed should consist of scaring kids of sex by telling them all about STD's and other sex related problems.

>>134160317
Reminds me of that scene from Malcolm in the Middle where that military teacher is giving Francis and his class sex ed

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>>134147243
My dad gave me the talk while we were shopping in a hardware store. He was inspired to this action after I picked up a hose that had ''male/female'' adapters printed on the label.
fucking kek

>>134160199
Early 20s. It's something you don't see among white folks that much anymore unless you're out in the country.

I don't know how to explain it really but Asians who aren't all Westernized yet have an entirely different sort of standard of modesty and self-image. It's got it's ups and downs.

>>134160651
I'm glad I never received " the talk " thank God.
Also thankfully we didn't have sex ed either. Based low budget school.

>>134160839
In my school we had sex ed, but only when we were 13-14. The administration expected your parents to have broached the subject to some degree before this, so it was all in very technical terms and was only a once off class

>>134160839
On of my early bloomer friends got "the talk" kind of early on. He said it went

>uh, well...
>keep it in you pants

kek. Never got one myself. That would have been the worst.

>>134160714
>early 20s.
Makes sense, and I totally believe this. Once you're in your mid-30s like me the expectations in a relationship become a little different.

>Asians who aren't all Westernized yet have an entirely different sort of standard of modesty and self-image.
Now that's certainly true. Most women younger than 35 or so don't wear makeup. I've never been to America, but based on my exposure to the West's values I can tell there's less of an emphasis on vanity in general.

Weird thing is we still consider ourselves a Western country like Aus, due to our colonial past. Western culture has completely infiltrated here, and it's difficult to escape from sometimes.

The young girls still wear the short short though in the summertime just about anywhere in Asia, for better or for worse. You don't hear me complaining.

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>>134147243
Who needs SexEd in the Information Age? Most kids already know how to fuck before SexEd starts. If they don't, it means SexEd starts too early.

>>134161148
>>134160651
That sounds like an awkward way to get the birds and the bees.... audibly kek'd.

>>134161504
Well I mean like the kind of modesty you'd get from having to squat next to another guy at a squat toilet. Like one time I was shopping for a new rental house and there's a guy in his speedos because it's hot as fuck out and his gal is in her underwear and they don't even care we just walked in on them or bother make eye contact. That doesn't really bother me but it's just not the way people usual present themselves.

As for fashion, the young chinese kids are some of the more fashionable and flashy around. Makes me feel dirty because they're often cute af compared to the average white girl.

>>134159860
Except in "segregated" counties. NH is 5
95% huwhite, there are areas where a county is 80%+ white all over the country. People voluntarily self segregate, some do it subconsciously while still being not raycis

>>134161981
Interesting way to put it. Obviously since we have traditionally been living in narrower confines through the ages compared with the West, this acceptance and patience with others is practically ingrained. If anything some of the dysfunction and odd social rules have spread to us from the West like a disease.

For instance, I remember as a kid actual gender-neutral bathrooms. This was a perfectly normal thing in the 80s and 90s. They have since been taken out and I haven't seen one in years, even in the older sections. The irony is now the 'gender-fluidity' craze is hitting the US, and they are creating large amounts of gender-neutral bathrooms to accommodate.

What a time to be alive.

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>>134162975
This post reminds me of when my family went to restaurants during my early youth, I used to use the toilets with my parents and other strangers! It was like a miniature version of the toilets in Full Metal Jacket.

Makes me cringe now, but again, this was a perfectly normal thing.

Only Asian things...

>>134147243
Because it stops degenerates from reproducing.

>>134163597
Obviously as a person from the US I'm accustomed to allowing people to have privacy while they do their business. But that's one thing I've never seen why it should be a problem as long as you don't have to do it where everybody is watching you.

Everybody has to shit and piss.

>>134147454
Sex is just like drinking bubble tea.

>>134163717
no it doesn't

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>>134154930
>Singapore
No fun allowed: The Movie

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>>134147243
>be americlap
>get taught at age 9
>get jailed if you do it pre 18

>>134147243
I don't know how does it work in US, but in Poland the biggest opposition to sex education is comming from the organisation which is famous for hiding pedophiles in their ranks. Unaware sheep are easier to control I guess.