Fuck Protestant mongolids

>>134146552
Forgot link to old thread
>>134130810

>>134146552
Catholics are heretics and should burn at the stake.

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>>134146552
Fuck catholic kid-diddling Nambla faggots

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>>134146552
Daily reminder that Protestants think Joel Osteen can turn water into wine and that NASCAR was created by the early church fathers

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>>134146552
Daily reminder

Ok so that 23 year old has to realize it was weird to be dating a 14 year old at 20, right?

He said "lots of college men date high school girls", yeah, maybe an 18 year old dating a 17 year old... Not a Junior in college dating a Freshman in high school.

Her family must be weird Mormons or something.

Reminder the pope is the anti-christ and is destroying Europe
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/promigrant-pope-francis-aspires-to-destroy-christianity/news-story/76be2aee290dacbaa9417aa8af5abb63

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>>134146552
Romans 14.

Stop causing division among Christanity.

European protestants = degenerate cucks who smoke weed, fuck prostitutes, house rapefugees, and inject opposite sex hormones into babies
American protestants = based rural people who vote republican, till their own fields, own a personal armory, and adhere to tradition

What happened to protestantism in the Americas vs Europe?

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Daily reminder that Vatican II is evil and modern Christianity is effeminate and degenerate.

Traditional Christianity is the future

Catholics and Protestants can get behind this movement even if we will never agree theologically.

Modernism within the Christian faith is a cancer that needs to get Zykloned

The tragedy of so much of Christianity is that it's based on a misunderstanding of history.

>In the Eastern Orthodox Church this passage is interpreted as not implying a special prominence to the person of Peter, but to Peter's position as representative of the Apostles. The word used for "rock" (petra) grammatically refers to "a small detachment of the massive ledge",[23] not to a massive boulder. Thus, Orthodox Sacred Tradition understands Jesus' words as referring to the apostolic faith.

>>134146888
Nope, we're both from Catholic families, I'm not sure if I've ever even met a Mormon IRL. Please try to explain to me what you think is so weird about a 14 year old dating a 20 year old

>>134146918
>implying your link isn't a professional Aussie shitpost
>>134146888
Personally, I don't have a problem with it, kind of wish I had something like that myself desu.
I've seen men who marry 18 yos at 40 in the past

>>134146850
I should remind YOU that unlike with Catholicism and Orthodoxy there's no "one protestant church".

>>134146744

/thread

>>134146850

Daily reminder that the Pope, the Earthly representation of God is a globalist masonic pedophile.

Thread music : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtHOmforqxk

>>134147099
This

>>134147119
Fug senpai, I wish I was you
What state are you from?

>>134146552
Orthodox the only true Church. Papists and protestrash burn in hell

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Broke a now 2,000 year old institution into countless fragments. But with good intentions.

But current SJW vatican can fuck off

>>134147177
>using a song by a degenerate atheist

Why am I not surprised

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>>134146552
Wrong pic op

>>134147295
Queensland

>>134147318
>Orthodox
Literally catholicism but with more corrupt priests, more moneygrubbing churches and more magic.

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I fucking hate Protestants and I know you fucking hate me...

But lets agree to drive out the faggots and the liberals from our churches. End Jewish domination of Christianity. End the pussification of Christ's message

Make Christianity the pillar of conservatism and radical traditionalism

The theological arguments we have are pointless because absolutely NO ONE on 4chan is going to be persuaded to another side. We just enjoy shitposting for fun and making snarky comments and practice our comebacks

>>134146918
>Reminder the pope is the anti-christ
No. Antichrist is a Jew. Bergoglio may be the false prophet though.

>>134147352
An amazing pic
10/10

I've noticed that younger priests coming out of seminary seem much more traditional than the older boomer cucks

>>134147318
Is there a central Orthodox organization for the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbs, etc.?

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>>134147384

>Wanting to rustle your jimmies
>succeeding

>>134147063
>American protestants = based rural people who vote republican, till their own fields, own a personal armory, and adhere to tradition
And worship Jews as demigods

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>>134147483
>Aussie too
Wew lad, you got it breddy good

>>134147500
>End Jewish domination of Christianity. End the pussification of Christ's message
Literally only an issue in the USA and Sweden.

>>134147500

Honestly you're right. I don't even actually hate Catholics.

>>134147500
Ok by me Catholic bro

>>134147573
>Orthodox
>centralised

Pick one, the fucking Patriarchs can't agree on literally anything, it's so difficult to even get all of them in the same building that it only occurs once ever thousand years

>>134147552
Its the perfect scenario because the old faggots are dying off and they don't have the numbers to sustain their policies

The conservative Latin churches are cranking out priests, monks and nuns who will one day take a leadership role within the church and help eliminate Vatican II

By its very design the Church can be beaten down but never defeated. The storm will pass into the history books. The least we can do is give Vatican II and hard shove into the grave a little sooner and mock it to let history know we existed

>>134147591
>And worship Jews as demigods

sadly, but at least they are right wing and despise muzzies

>>134147591
This
>>134147589
Prods are essentially fedora tipping athiests without the fedora

>>134147488
There are a few differences, but they are significant. And no, definitely not as corrupt as the catholicuck church, which doesn't even really exist anymore since Vatican II (it's literally a completely different church).

>>134147591
All christians are guilty of this.

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>>134147763
With groups like SSPX leading the way
Amen

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>>134147888
That's where you, are wrong
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gXKeiTTN7Wc

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>>134147888
>Implying
Luther got Redpilled.

>>134147672
Like I said I'm a medfag and a pretty respected member of my local community, there's no way my finance's parent's would have let me cum inside their daughter if I was a NEET

Luther fixed Christianity forever by taking the power of salvation out of any doctrine or institution and placing it in the hands of the individual.

>>134147813
>doens;t exist anymore

Not entirely true. Just the conservative element is very tiny and has been pushed to the fringe

Look at the seminary SSPX is making

http://stas.org/en/news-events/news/first-steps-virginia-new-book-18417

The old ways are returning in a big way

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>>134148086
Yes because individuals cannot be misled or corrupted by dumb ideas

Almost like that Martin Luther guy

>>134147754
This is the problem with having so many texts and ambiguities and sects.

>>134148049
I wish you well bucko, hope you and your future wife have a fine life together, you've got something special

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>mfw playing Catholic Spain in EU4

I didn't realise how much of niggers pr*testants are.

>>134146636
reply to some dude in the last thread

>>134143426
>>134146500
>she's been w/ 6 guys and one was a nigger.
>I really like her but I can't picture myself ever taking this to the next level
>I should drop her right?

first up, I've gotta ask what's both of your ages, ethicities and how long you have been together?

although regardless of the answer to that

1. She's been blacked
2. You don't even see a future together with her

A: You should break up and assuming you're <30 you should court an 18-20 year old innocent girl (look to the country or to churches, start attending)

I was personally dating a girl, really nice and really sweet but she had black hair, brown eyes and was quite short (still white) and I realized my children will not look like me (tall blue eyed anglo) and my children won't carry on the genes and bloodline my entire ancestry did before me. So as hard as it was to break it off, I did it, it broke her heart and mine but I knew it was for the best.

Currently married (virgin wife, I didn't lie to her either) with a few blue eyed children and couldn't be happier.

>>134148219
>premarital sex is OK because Jesus slept with Mary magdelan in my senpai fiction
>t. Martin Luther
Are Germans inherently degenerate?

>>134147888
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/chrysostom_adversus_judaeos_01_homily1.htm

>Another prophet hinted at this when he said: "Israel is as obstinate as a stubborn heifer". And still another called the Jews "an untamed calf".
>(6) Although such beasts are unfit for work, they are fit for killing. And this is what happened to the Jews: while they were making themselves unfit for work, they grew fit for slaughter. This is why Christ said: "But as for these my enemies, who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and slay them"

I went to a church that was named after this guy.

>>134146552
Fuck all non white's regardless

>>134148116
The catholic church gives full power and authority to the pope, although it's been seen before that they made mistakes and have tried hard to erase them. See: Pope Joan

>>134148086
Absolutely correct. Even if some individuals doesn't understand what a responsibility this is, they'll pay for it in the afterlife.

>>134148230
Thanks m8, I know that I've been blessed, honestly I'd like to help as many anons as possible to improve their lives, acquire qt virgin waifus and lead happy lives
>also we're planning on having our first child next year as soon as we officially marry

>>134148374
>in my senpai fiction
I know that was a typo but that's still totally what I'm going to call fanfiction from now on

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Jews control American because Southern Protestants fall over themselves to suck Israeli dick

Truly shameful

The British Empire's power was based on Jewish usury and exploitative capitalism. They used their money to corrupt the world. North America would have been Catholic if it wasn't for Jewish money financing the 7 years war

>>134148315
If you're playing a catholic in EU4 it'd better be because you've got the pope under your thumb all the time. Otherwise the other christianities are better.

>>134148219

people aren't perfect. The point is before Luther people believed that the church saved them, rather than faith alone.

>>134148595
Kek, thanks

>>134148471
If the Pope flagrantly violates the magisterium then he becomes a formal heretic and automatically excommunicates himself from the church

Popes can be wrong and be in a state of material heresy just like anyone else

The Pope is only infallible when he makes an Ex Cathedra statement

>>134148791
>before Luther people believed that the church saved them, rather than faith alone.
[citation needed]

>>134148934

do you really not know that much about chrisitan history

>>134148791
Right which is why you have infallible doctrine which instruct their understanding and confine their beliefs to orthodoxy

This is why Protestants have 1000x different sects and all of them are wrong

God created One church and gave the keys to Peter. There is only one truth, one faith, one church and we get our traditions from the apostles who in turn handed that on themselves...thats sacred tradition.

>>134148812
Then go ahead and hold the cardinals guilty for not calling him out on his bullshit. The catholic church remains rotten.

>>134148934
Why else would buying indulgence become such a hit?

>>134148401
>But these Jews are gathering choruses of effeminates and a great rubbish heap of harlots; they drag into the synagogue the whole theater, actors and all. For there is no difference between the theater and the synagogue.
Jews btfo

>>134148967
[citation still needed]

>>134148471
Never forget danish had some of the coolest catholics/now saints in northern europe.

For others, this is all you need to see to understand what is going on in the world and catholic church, yes he talks about Vatican II being a mistake. Tbh discusses /pol/ subjects basicly and is probably one of rare gems in todays catholic church.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZXSo1rDNX8

>>134147099

>Vatican II is the devil

It's only theologically illiterate idiots that believe this.

You can argue about how corrupt and modernist the Church is these days. But it has nothing to do with V2. It's just a result of the changing world culture seeping into all aspects of society, and it it would have happened with or without the Council.

V2 was necessary. It changed a lot, but it didn't change core Dogma (as alarmists want you to believe). More was changed at the Council of Trent than at V2, so it's not like V2 was anything crazy or new.

I don't have any problem with Traditionalist Catholics (outside of impious, obnoxious "rad trads" and sedes who can't even be called Catholic), but people who spread purposely spread lies about the See are not helping anything.

And the most frustrating thing about the obnoxious alarmist "traditional catholics" who on /pol/ who look down on Catholics who are loyal to the See is that you know that its all memeing.

They probably rail against the "cuck pope" and lament modernism, while at the same time, it's been months since their last confession, they only say a rosary every so often, and they don't even think twice about munching on a burger on fridays.
Why would a super pious traditionalist even be on a trashy website like /pol/ anyways?

>>134149060
Some do but a Cardinal doesn't have authority over the Pope. These are bad times no doubt. But we can get the church we deserve

Currently we get a shitty pope because there are many many shitty Catholics. Its only fair

Not everyone in the Vatican approves of Francis and his destructive path

>>134147119
Well the fact that she was a child and you were an adult.

What does a 20 year old college student even talk to a 14 year old girl about? It's not like dating another college student where you have so much in common with classes, music interests, philosophy, stuff like that.

When I was 14 I liked Spiderman. When I was 20 I liked Dostoyevsky.

>>134149146
Bonus: He addresses Pope Francis basicly working for them, unexpected from catholic bishop ofc, and he is british so thats rare when you consider uk being protestant.

>>134149070

go read wikipedia idgaf

>>134149066
Holy fuck that sounds like st Augustine
>>134148967
>c'mon guys it's Church history, you know....

>>134147177
The pope is not the earthly representation of God.

>>134149170
No it has everything to do with Vatican II, i just posted a video of catholic bishop explaining in detail why Vatican II is the downfall here >>134149146

>>134149296
Do you not know Church history? Is that why you refer others to Wikipedia?

>>134149170
Because 4chan is the home for fringe ideologies and its where I get my news from. And since I basically have no friends its where I shitpost to fill that huge void in my life created by the crippling isolation most of my generation feels

Do you think I can talk to pious trad caths about dank memes?

Vatican II is the spirit of degeneracy that permits modernism to seep into the church and corrode everything it touches

>>134149170
>but it didn't change core Dogma
False.

>>134149054

the catholic church was not created by God, it was created by men. There are many protestant sects, some of them drift a little too far perhaps or have more radical ideas, but the majority of them are on point, that the bible is the only doctrine and salvation comes through faith in the grace of God.

>>134149406

because I'm not here to give you a basic history lesson

>>134149731
Look fag, if you're not well versed on a particular subject, don't act like you are like you did here >>134148967

>>134149205
Well firstly physically women are fully grown adults approximately two years after their first menstrual period, she had her first period aged 12 so she was physically an adult.

As for mental maturity I think most of /pol/ will agree that women never achieve much mental or emotional maturity, at 14 they like Twilight, at 20 they live Twilight, at 40 they still like Twilight

Finally I never said I was fucking her when she was 14, I didn't take her virginity until we got engaged.

>also contrary to popular belief we actually find a lot to talk about, if you're unironically expecting to have deep conversations about Russian literature with your wife or gf you're not going to have a very happy life, that's why men have male friends, just like how girls have female friends to talk about makeup and soap operas with

>>134149644
God made man in his image ane we return the favor

>>134149834

I'm extremely well versed, I'm refusing to stoop down and have a discussion with someone so lacking in basic knowledge, as in, I'm just not interested in a one sided conversation.

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>>134149644
Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture give you the full understanding of Jesus' message. The Protestants lack the tradition and therefore lack the valid interpretations of scripture.

The Bible does not contain all of Jesus' wisdom and teachings because as this passage says...that would be impossible

Only when you combine tradition (passed from Jesus to the apostles) and scripture (defined by the Catholic Church) can you find the truth

John 21:25

King James Version

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

>>134149383

All just lies pushed by people who think they are somehow "saving" the Church, when in reality, they are weakening people's faith in Christ's Church and putting their own souls in sever danger.

>>134149500

Even without Vatican II, and even we did have exclusive latin mass and all that, the Church would still be exposed to modernism.
People just always need to find that one singular "point" or "cause" to blame all the bad things on because they are simple like that.

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>>134149908
>also contrary to popular belief we actually find a lot to talk about, if you're unironically expecting to have deep conversations about Russian literature with your wife or gf you're not going to have a very happy life, that's why men have male friends, just like how girls have female friends to talk about makeup and soap operas with
This
My ideal woman is summed up in pic related
One that doesn't give a shit about my political and social views, or any political and social views for that matter, and one who is loyal

>>134150084
Complete opposite. Its easy to say such a thing when you dont even research why they think Vatican II ruined the church.

>>134150053
No, you don't
If you did you would refute with valid points and evidence to back it up from you're "well versed knowledge" of the subject, instead of referring someone to Wikipedia, like you did.

Look, I ain't claiming to be an expert on church history either, I'm just saying in the future don't put yourself in a position like that, don't pretend to know something you don't

>>134150084
Vatican II is modernism. Lumen gentium and dignitatis humanae alone prove that.

>>134150084
Sure we would still be exposed by the conservative nature of the Latin Mass keeps that in check

The church will always be exposed to evil and danger...the point is we need to be able to resist it

And for whatever reason...in the 1960s the church caved and things have since become very difficult

>pedo crisis
>gay priests
>no more young priests joining
>churches closing down
>no more monks and nuns
>catholic schools closing
>people not going to church
>people not believing what they should

Its basically a death spiral but fortunately there is always hope

Benedict XVI legally gave us back the Latin Mass which was basically banned

>>134149908
Sounds like you think very highly of her. I hope you have a happy marriage.

>>134150078

I don't think that the catholic church has an invalid interpretation of the bible, and indeed the structure and practice of church and Christianity worldwide differs greatly from the time of Luther. I do dislike the hierarchy and institutionalization of it. We have maintained the essential traditions and teachings of the scripture without institutions or authorities. There's always going to be debate and reinterpretation of the bible and discussing these things is important, and consensus is important, but all of these things don't compare to the powerful emotional feeling of faith, there is no truth to know other than God is truth. There is nothing more we can understand than that. The modern church is one of personal experience.

>>134150434
>no more young priests joining
That's a good thing IMO, in the early days of the church most priests were elderly men(usually widowers) who had already led full lives and thus had lots of wisdom and life experience to share with their flock, not 40 year old virgins with no real life experience

>>134150084
>they are weakening people's faith in Christ's Church and putting their own souls in sever danger.
You are only looking at appearance, not essence. If the essence is changed, is it the same church? Obviously not. Catholic church is like a ship of theseus, that has it's essential parts replaced and only maintains outward appearance of the former church (barely). But what makes the church is already gone. You are clinging to a garbage heap instead of the church. You do this out of cowardice (a sin).

so when the official catholic tripfag leaves the catholic generals become protestant hate generals?

>>134150704

so true. I never connected with a pastor until I met one that had actually gone through some shit.

>>134149908
Some women are very high quality like Sofia Smallstorm but some do like Twilight and Justin Bieber at age 40, yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIJdpApINrY

>>134150651
You do realize that your interpretation of the Bible is invalid as well if the Catholic Church's interpretation is wrong right? Your bible is derived from ours, you don't derive the correct answer from the wrong one. Your logic is flawed in this regard

>The modern church is one of personal experience
JUST fuck up my church famalam.
Faith isn't something meant to be malleable that can fit into someone's life, but rather it is something that is firm that we the individual must learn to fit into

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>>134150651
>not liking hierarchy and structure

Hierarchy, order and structure are literally the opposite of degeneracy. Protestants by their very nature are degenerate and rebellious.

But Protestants are even worse because they rebel against God's authority and yoke

>>134150930
True but my point still stands, if the age of consent was set at the age when most women have enough emotional maturity to full comprehend the consequences of their actions then the age of consent would be about 50(and lots of women still aren't emotionally mature by 50 either)

>>134150232

The people pushing these ideas are enemies of the Church. They are not supernaturally minded at all, and only push these lies to further political causes.

The Church will always have enemies and detractors and doomsayers, and for the most part, history has forgotten them while the Church has lived on. We will see whose side the Holy Spirit is on.

>>134150434

It's always the pedo thing that enemies of the Church latch on to. The Catholic Church is one of the greatest crusaders against child abuse in the history of the world. They have brought more child abusers to justice than any other organization. And despite it's work, and despite the priesthood not having a higher number of pedos in their ranks than other comparable childcare professions (it's true, look it up) we constantly have to fight these lies.

Also, I know a large number of people discerning, myself included, so I doubt the institution of concecrated life is in danger.

>>134150767

The Church is changing because it is a LIVING Church, spreading the core, unchanging message in a way applicable for the time and culture that it is in. You are the one clinging to something dead.

>>134150982
>Faith isn't something meant to be malleable that can fit into someone's life, but rather it is something that is firm that we the individual must learn to fit into
This, man must adapt his life to God, not the other way round, this is why all those liberal churches are crumbling and failing to attract new members, meanwhile church attendance to conservative churches like orthodoxy is actually increasing

>>134150982
I said that the interpretation wasn't wrong. The only thing I would consider to be possible apocryphal would be things related to saints.

I disagree very much. Faith is a personal relationship with God. We are all different and we are all imperfect and there is no way to change that. I'm not reinterpreting things or changing things to suit my world view or justify my actions, I come before an all knowing God as an fallible being and give over control of my life him. Faith is consistent and firm. I am the one who is malleable.

>>134151360
>Yes goyim the Catholic Church is full of child molesters
>please ignore all the child abuse scandals involving rabbi and imam

Daily reminder that there are lots of Jewish boarding schools that are completely isolated from the outside world and are full of nothing but young boys and dirty old men

>>134150999

that's a pretty sweeping statement. And to believe any church is truly capable of representing God's authority accurately and unwaveringly is to me naive.

>>134151580
>I'm not reinterpreting things or changing things to suit my world view or justify my actions
That is literally what Martin Luther did, and the thousands of others who came after him who further divided the Christian faith into seperate sects

>>134151247
Yes, and for what it's worth John Adams' son wanted to marry a girl who was only 16 when he was about 28, at least that's what's in the miniseries. It is strange how until recently sexual maturity meant marriage, but now they treat you as if you have a mental illness. So the girl getting married and having a stable, loving family is bad; but her getting wasted a fucked by a random guy every weekend until she's 30 is normal?

>>134151360
Im Catholic but the pedo ring is a product of Vatican II. It is divine retribution and an outward sign of the churches inner evil today

When I was growing up we had one of our priests get sent to jail and then he killed himself in prison because he diddled kids back in the 70s.

The pedo crisis is a proof that Vatican II is degenerate.

A good tree cannot produce bad fruit. Just look at the fruits of the church since Vatican II. They are rotten.

The church should purge the fags and burn the pedos instead of defending them

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>>134151807
You plebs got nothing
Pic related's father was 72 when he married his mother who was 23

>>134151360
>The Church is changing because it is a LIVING Church
The line all modernists hide behind.

>spreading the core, unchanging message
I already proved it has changed. You can just look in the nu-catechism and see "the message" has changed significantly from the message taught prior.

Your reasoning is circular. You say that those in opposition to Vatican II are damaging the church, but this presumes that those adhering to the modernist Vatican II heresies are "the church." You are the one doing what you accuse others of.

Of course, this is all assuming the Roman catholic church was ever "right," which it wasn't, but for sake of argument if it had been right in the past then logically the nominal church today is not. This is simply logic, and any vague, imprecise, and illogical hand waving about "living church" and other bogus rationalizations are just self-therapeutic relief of the cognitive dissonance of living in denial.

>>134151762
Jesus didn't give the keys to Peter for nothing. The church is fallible because it is human. But God said he would protect it and that the gates of hell would never prevail against it.

Protestants lack apostolic tradition and therefore lack a key to unlocking God's essential truths and wisdom

>>134151807
For 99.9999999% of human history all of humanity basically agreed that "if there's grass on the field it's okay to play ball"

The idea that there's anything immoral about having sex with teenage girls won't last long IMO, it's already starting to die off as people are getting progressively more and more fed up with feminist bullshit and degeneracy

>>134151762
>And to believe any church is truly capable of representing God's authority accurately and unwaveringly is to me naive
So there's no point in adhering to YOUR specific denomination, is what you're essentially arguing?

>>134151846
But if you purge the pedos and shine light on the problem, you are only hurting the church and driving people away, don't you know? In the spirit of Vatican II, you must always double down on your errors because quantity matters more than quality.

>>134147318
I;m Catholic, but I like Orthodox. The modern Orthodox Church is better than the modern Catholic church. Why is Orthodox-Catholic hate always started by Orthodox?

>>134151785

Absolutely incorrect. Martin Luther sought to reduce Christian doctrine down only to what is in the bible.

romans 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, the righteous shall live by faith

>>134146552

This btfos the cathocuck

All Scripture is God-Breathed

>10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

>>134147738
Thank you proddy.

>>134151846

>The church should purge the fags and burn the pedos instead of defending them

What defending?

All I have ever seen from the institution of the Catholic Church as a whole has been condemnation of child abusing clergy and the Bishops that covered it up.

Like I said, the Church is one of the biggest most effective anti-abuse organization in the world.

And on the other point, you must be naive to think there was absolutely no corruption or evil within the ranks of the Church before V2, or to even think that it was any better or worse than after V2.

But, like all throughout history, the good of the Church has always outweighed the evil.
The only difference now is that we have institutions like the media who are dedicated to nothing but the exageration of the bad and downplaying of the good in the world.

>>134152249
That's false, this is evident in the fact that it was him who brought premarital sex into the realm of non sin

>>134151360
Feels bad that you are saying exactly what the Vatican II "enemies" are saying. I feel like if you would get a good grasp at why they feel that way, it would all click for you.

You should probably know that there is a mission to finish off the catholic church as admited in multiple occasions by certan individuals. They push the child molesters thing to drive people away from the church and thats also effect of Vatican II as perfectly explained "why" in the video i linked, its hard to convince someone through written arguments, thats why i link videos to someone of much higher knowledge and status in terms of catholic knowledge. Church is also filled with the enemies at the moment, its a literal better going on.

>>134152182

yes actually. My point is that I don not believe the church you attend matters, what matters is your relationship with God.

>>134152202
lol I sense sarcasm

To show how serious the church is the pedos should be sought out and exposed and then on live TV burned at the stake for their crimes against these children and for defaming the church.

Then once they are gone the church blames everyitng on Vatican II and goes full bore into Latin. The normies will be totally disgusted but the purge will be necessary and send a clear message that degeneracy is no longer tolerated

>>134152218
I actually was only joking. I like catholics, except for those that will defend the modern church.

>>134148020
>We will never have Church leadership like this
Why even live

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>>134152418
>he's a non denominational

>>134152321
You do realise that's a mistranslation right? There were no scriptures until decades after the death of Christ, the teachings of Christ were meant to be passed on orally with scripture only being used as a backup, you protestants worship the bible like it's a fucking Golden Calf and yet you have the audacity of accusing Catholics of idolatry

>>134152358
Im not an idiot the devil always tries to destroy the church.

But Vatican II is the modern evil and I oppose it fully and without pause.

Its not the Jewish medias fault that Vatican II created an environment where faggots and pedos did fucked up shit.

Why are you defending a council that turned Catholicism upside-down and clearly changed it.

I honestly hope you don't become a priest in your current state because you sound like a faggot

>>134152321

Paul prophecied the cathocucks will create fables

2 Timothy 4

Preach the Word

>1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

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>>134152049
>For 99.9999999% of human history
Agreed, I've been learning about this part of history, interestingly people lived much longer than was previously thought, and they had far fewer diseases because they ate real food, breathed fresh air, and walked around. Now we live in pressure-cooker-type environments and rely on pharmaceuticals because of so many diseases.

The strangest part is the thing about "mental illnesses" though, I guess they have to justify putting these people in facilities pretty much for life on the taxpayers' dime. Before puberty I get is sick, but the conditions for getting branded for life are ridiculous.

I should stop before I get a visit from pic related.

>>134152420
Yes, I was being sarcastic because it always seems the "spirit of Vatican 2" is used as a way of ignoring errors for the sake of having more people in the church, so quantity over quality. And the ironic thing is that it has probably only ended up driving serious people away from the church all for the sake of keeping the lukewarm.

>>134152418
That's not entirely inaccurate but by your logic a liberal church with a tranny priest is just as valid as the Catholic or Orthodox church

>>134152520

technically I'm a methodist

>>134151945
>I already proved it has changed.

When?

I said that Vatican II did not change Dogma. And then you replied "yes it did". And I did not even reply to that post because that statement is so evidently and demonstrably wrong that it wasn't even worth arguing with.

>>134152049
The proof of men's attraction to childlike bodies is the very existence of "grass on the field" because nature selected for the emergence of a way to determine sexual maturity, else men would waste resources courting females too young to breed.

>>134152564

then everything is a mistranslation ? why belief anything at all ?

>>134152795
But you're essentially arguing that denomination doesn't matter, which that means, by your own logic, that there's no reason for YOU to consider yourself a Methodist or adhere to the specific tenets of Methodism

>>134152787

what if the priest has a story of repentance to tell. But anyway, prioritizing your personal relationship with God doesn't mean you intentionally blind yourself to false doctrine.

>>134152689
>>134152799
For the record I don't approve of sex with prepubescent girls, that really is a mental illness, even a fucking dog knows not to stick his dick in pups until they're mature enough to breed

>>134152797
Yeah it doesn't change dogma so it can literally be tossed in the can by any pope with half a brain

But aside from that things have obviously changed

At mass the priest faces the people (not God and the tabernacle) that in itself is disgusting. Very symbolic of the church...turning your back on God

>>134152938

I do, for the sake of tradition and community. Those things are for us. I respect all sects of Christianity and value their traditions. I just think that when it comes to salvation the only thing that matters is faith.

Mormonism is pretty spooky though, I don't get it.

>>134152800
That's why Christ handed the keys to Peter, so there would always be an "official" version of the teachings of Christ

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>>134146552
Catholicism esteems human tradition & culture over that of the ways of God, its basis is rooted upon human decrees, they are unable to argue from the Bible, instead it has to rely on Vatican-sanctioned histories, they use idols, pray through false intercessors like Saints & Mary, even though Jesus alone is the way to the Father, they instituted pagan festivals & holidays, and even presumptuously assume the power to remit sin. In their Catechism they tampered with God's Law -- removed the 2nd commandment, altered the 4th, and split the 10th to preserve the # (fulfilling Daniel 7). The history of Catholicism has been one of Satanic abuse employing political & martial power to exert their will. The only Biblical argument they use for Popery is "Peter is the rock of the church" yet that isn't a justification for Papal hierarchical arrangement whatsoever -- read the books written by Peter, he never in anyway condones such an architecture. Upon the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus, the Church was small, far-flung, and fragile, and so Peter was raised up to clarify questions and give context to the example laid by Christ to the early church -- so yes, in this way the "church was built on the rock of Peter" which is to say, his teachings & clarifications -- not the man or any man -- Jesus is the foundation on which we must place our faith completely.
Orthodox have many of the same problems as Catholicism.
Faggot-sects of Jesuit-infiltrated "Protestantism" have lost their balls and are no longer standing up against the seat of the Antichrist power which is Popery and most still false sabbath. Although the early Reformers didn't agree on much, they got the ball rolling and agreed that Papacy was illegitimate.

>Comprehensive history of the Reformation & Catholic blasphemy
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF170B126002E7CB0

https://carm.org/list-of-roman-catholic-false-teachings
https://carm.org/luthers-95-theses

>>134152653

The Church is always changing because, as I said before, it is a living Church. The Council of Trent came along and overhauled the Church in response to a crisis. Many things were changed at the Council, but the core message, the Dogma, wasn't. Same thing with other more minor Councils throughout history, like V2.

>I honestly hope you don't become a priest in your current state because you sound like a faggot

Why do you care whether I become a priest or not? The Catholic Church is wrong and you are right, so it shouldn't matter to you.

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>>134153126
tl;dr

also

FAGGOT
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>>134153152
I just don't want more disgusting modernists like you to join the ranks

There are plenty of much better Catholics than me who agree with what I am saying and they are even higher up within the Vatican itself

Modernism is heresy

Truth doesn't evolve, its timeless and unchangeable

>>134147500
I'm a protestant and I don't hate catholics or orthodox. I listen to the Litany of Loreto, the Litany of the Holy Name, and other litanies all the time. I like the choir music from the orthodox choirs as well.

>>134147099
I can get behind this.
First we fix modernist cancer, then we bicker as we have for the past millennia.

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>>134152564


>ou protestants worship the bible like it's a fucking Golden Calf and yet you have the audacity of accusing Catholics of idolatry

the bible contains the word of god but its no idol , i dont bow to it i dont kiss it , it actually means nothing more to me then a dictionary . I throw it on the ground and when its old i buy a new one

>>134152388

that's not exactly the truth. He only made a distinction that premarital sex while betrothed was distinct from fornication. This was in line with german customs, that first the betrohal was made and then sex consummated the marriage. At the council of trent this was combined with the already standing roman law that marriages are conducted by priests. There was a very different understanding of marriage back then and betrothal was much more serious. I can't find any evidence of him specifically condoning the practice, just that it should not be classified as adultery.

The legal and relgious status of marriage was different back then and also I believe that legally there were still marriage laws dating back to Roman times that were changed at the council of trent, of which Martin Luther was in attendance of.

>>134153054

Yes, I know about the changes to the Liturgy. They are minor and they don't change anything about the faith.

You may interpret the versus populum form as "symbolically problematic", but that is just subjective. It certainly wasn't the Church's intenion. What other changes are problematic for you?

>>134151908
Michael Collins was a baddass's badass.

>>134152797
It has changed dogma, being taught infallibly under ordinary and universal magisterium. Portions of the documents address doctrinal issues, despite claims of being "pastoral in nature." Lumen gentium is even explicitly called dogmatic. Those who claim otherwise are simply wrong and only trying to mend their cognitive dissonance because they know that the catholic church and the nu-church are in contradiction. But your intellectual and moral cowardice has done great harm to your once great church, such that today it is in a very perilous position. Because for decades people did as you did and apologized for the problems and tried to patch over them in a wrong headed attempt at not causing "division in the church." It's like if you have both a bleeding head wound and a paper cut, and you allow the head wound to bleed out while attending to the paper cut for fear that the paper cut might get infected.

>>134153117

>That's why Christ handed the keys to Peter, so there would always be an "official" version of the teachings of Christ

Where does that say that ?

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Crypto-Jew-Jesuits-infiltrated Illuminati is planning New World Order. The Pope is pushing for a one world religion while the Jews are pushing for one world government and currency.
http://redefininggod.com/2016/10/how-the-kabbalist-jews-took-over-the-roman-catholic-church-through-the-jesuit-order/
Pope uniting all religions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07dPzM5q43c [Embed]
http://www.libertyforlife.com/nwo/albert_pike.htm
How they wage war: http://www.libertyforlife.com/military-war/janus_god_of_war.html

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About North America
The conversation was stilted, as one might expect with the struggle for the possessed person’s soul, but the gist was that Plinio was randomly “breaking people's computers so that they can’t go on the internet” and that he is changing the climate and was “therefore the author of the climate change, and the increase of heat. It is Plinio who does everything,” according to the devil as channeled through the exorcist. Then, the devil predicts that a meteorite will crash into the Atlantic ocean. “North America will disappear,” he warns.

About (((Pope Francis)))
The devil then turns to the fate of Pope Francis, which Tornielli was able to transcribe and translate from the somewhat distorted video. “The Vatican? It's mine, mine!” the devil says to the exorcist, according to Tornielli’s transcript. “The pope does whatever I want, he's stupid! He obeys me in everything. He is my glory, he is willing to do everything for me. He serves me.”
Then the devil, again as channeled by the exorcist for the Heralds of the Gospel, predicts that the pope will perish, not during a voyage, but at the Vatican. “The pope will die falling,” the exorcist’s transcript says quite clearly.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/this-secret-catholic-exorcist-cult-in-brazil-is-making-a-deal-with-the-devil

>>134153768
Archive
https://archive.is/gHAbq

Jesuit's Oath:
"I do further declare that I will help, assist and advise all or any of his holiness’ agents, in any place where I should be in Switzerland, Germany, Holland or America, or in any other territory I shall come to, and do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic doctrines, and destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise. .... I do further promise and declare, that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth, and that I will spare neither age, sex, nor condition, and that I will burn, hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle, bury alive, these infamous heretics, open up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants’ heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poison cup, the strangulation cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity or authority of the persons whatever be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed to so do, by any agent of the Pope, or superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith of the Society of Jesus."

>>134153152
>The Catholic Church is wrong and you are right,
It would be exactly the opposite. The Catholic church is right (as it existed all through history) and you (adherent of the modernist nu-church, in contradiction of all history before) are wrong.

The fundamental error here being nominalism.

>>134153372

Oh what. I'm a modernist because I am still loyal to the See? Because I can accept the Church's teaching without feeling the need to rebel, maily for political reasons?

Well, bad news. Almost all priest, and all Catholics, even traditionalist Catholics who follow the old ways as a matter of personal devotion, are like me. They have childlike faith, and they are humble.

Truth doesn't evolve. And the truth is Dogma.
Unless you believe the Latin language has supernatural properties, or incense is necessary for prayer, then V2 didn't change anything about the truth.

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>>134153550
The spirit of the modern church is "problematic" for me.

The modern Catholic Church is run by old women and faggots. Its filled with soft Catholics who are lax and frankly disrespectful...but honestly I can't blame them because they church doesn't really teach them anything today

Maybe Australia is different but here in the USA its bad. No one from my generation goes to church. Most people don't actually believe what they should.

Its basically a gay old ladies club with shitty music.

Maybe thats not dogma...but its not right at all. Its fucked up actually and I hate it.

Furthermore, I was totally deprived (and most of my generation) of the Latin Mass...or spiritual heritage.

The modern church is gay and no self respecting man today would willingly attach himself to something so pussmefied and emasculated

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>>134153223

>>134150078
Two reasons to doubt the catholic church's ((("""""sacred"""""))) doctrine:
- Purgatory
- Money Cures Sin

>>134153905
You are a modernist because you see nothing wrong with the current state of the church.

Im not in rebellion with the Holy See, I go to mass every weekend and I frequently go to confession. I taught Sunday School and helped out when our church went and fixed some old lady's house.

But my point is this. The church is i trouble and Vatican II is clearly in the wrong and has created a terrible culture within the church that is not conducive to creating strong Catholics and a vibrant community.

The church where my parents live has about 30 people tops. They are all about 60 or older and so is the priest. When the priest does the church will close because there aren't enough of them.

We clearly have issues its foolish to think otherwise

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>current pope is fake pope.
>Catholic but vatican 2 is heresy
He was elected in the usual manner in Rome by a jury of his cardinal peers.
Vatican 2 is official catholic belief
This is how catholicosim works
This is one of the main problems Luther and protestants had with it, popists and putting your faith in a man.
you can't just say "hurdurr I don't like this pope this time he is not a real pope" every time someone you don't like goes in. If your are catholic you HAVE TO accept him and V2 as your Pope and you HAVE To follow his and V2 guidelines, after all he has studied Christianity a lot more than you, and isn't that always you catholic cucks go to reason for hating protestant ideals about self study?
just admit Catholicism is bad and join a reformed church or shut up and accept your Pope and popism, you can't have it both ways, stop embarrassing yourself

>>134152032
The bible contradicts pretty much all of the "apostolic tradition" claims, as well as all of the catholic doctrine.
See video related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F8ZRfUpcJU

>>134153905
>I am still loyal to the See?
You aren't

>Because I can accept the Church's teaching
You don't.

Again, nominalism. Look into it.

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May your faith be unwavering.

>>134153126
this desu

>>134154385
How can you trust a fat guy with the ugliest tie Ive ever seen

Is this one of those guys who runs the dinosaur creationist museum?

10 bucks says his name is Bubba

>>134154633
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

>>134146818
Reminder that more child abuse exists in protestant sects than in the Catholic Church per insurance reports.
That's not to say that the sodomite degenerates ought to be routed out of the Catholic Church. Immediately.

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>>134154361
>you can't disagree with the pope!
Yeah that's not even a Catholic view. tons of people have criticized their popes throughout history, even St. Francis did it

Also see
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/07/the-ultimate-interview-to-understand.html?m=1

Luke 12:49-56King James Version (KJV)

49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

54 And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.

55 And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.

56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

Why is the Pope trying to unite all religions???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07dPzM5q43c

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>>134154718
try making an argument without referring to a Ted talk done by a retarded fatass

>>134153567

What kind of conspiracy bullshit is this?

If you want to be taken seriously, identify the specific Dogma that was changed.

>>134153897

>as it existed all through history

You mean as it existed since 1563.
You are too attached to one period in the Church's history.

>>134153939

>The modern church is gay and no self respecting man today would willingly attach himself to something so pussmefied and emasculated

It just sounds like it is politically and socially inconvenient for you to identify as Catholic. Because people think of you as part of some "hokey old ladies club for fags" that is "pussified" and "emasculates" and not as a cool templar or something.

Who cares what people think of you. Catholics have always been hated and disrespected and thought of as backwards. That isn't an argument against it.

If you are worried about the Church not being popular, then how is bringing back all the old rituals going to help? That might even drive more people away. So you should be all for reforms if you want to bring people in.

But the reforms of V2 were made for more complex reasons than that.

>>134154784

Maybe that has something to do with that there are more protestant churches ? in my town we have 9 protecuck churches and 1 cathocuck

>>134155036
There are more Catholics in the world.
All reported insurance data shows that the abuse across Catholic and Protestant lines are just about the same, with Protestant a bit higher.
Since 1957, there have been 13,000 cases of child abuse by a Catholic priest in their church. That's an astounding 240 cases a year.
In the Protestant churches since 1957, there is an average of 260 cases. That's 14,000 cases of child abuse by Protestant sects. Over 1,000 more. ...and that doesn't count every denomination and the fact Protestants weren't forced to turn those numbers over like the Catholics were, the number is no doubt higher.

From available research we now know that in the last 50 years somewhere between 1.5% and 5% of the Catholic clergy has been involved in sexual abuse cases. The Christian Science Monitor reported on the results of a national survey by Christian Ministry Resources in 2002 and concluded: "Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant". Sexual abuses within the Jewish communities approximate that found among the Protestant clergy.
>http://archive.is/FitQ

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>>134154933
The problem is that the church is the "bride of Christ" and is therefore female in nature.

If the church is run by gays and old women then thats basically a lesbian relationship

Look at the numbers if you care so much. The church is doing a fucking bad job at raising and educating Catholics. Who is at fault? The church hierarchy.

What is at the center of their beliefs...the Vatican II modernism bullshit that has been failing the people

They went soft on doctrine and got soft Catholics who are basically worthless. Im not asking for a crusading church...but it would be helpful if the church stopped licking Muslim feet and started teaching Orthodoxy again...like it almost always has done for its entire history

Why are you so attached to Vatican II if its not dogmatic in any way? Can't it just be removed. Its a failed policy. Time to go. Its that simple

>worshipping a jewish desert god
If it weren't for Christianity, we would literally have cities on other planets right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8M9J4szTTY

Recent evidence suggests the Romahs were on the verge of the steam engine, and were building up something like a modern industrial economy before they fell into darkness.

Can anybody check to see if there is any audio in the video? There is no sound playing on my end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2CTp6B46tY

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>>134155036
>>134155326
The three major insurance companies that insure for child abuse report that Protestant abuse is just as bad as Catholic, and that secular abuse is 8 times worse than Catholic and Protestant combined.
>Church Mutual Insurance Co., GuideOne Insurance Co. and Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Co
Not only this, only an estimated 25% of Protestant churches have or can afford this insurance. Because of their autonomous, individual nature, there is no reporting apparatus. Also, 65% of the data is unavailable to the public because those insurance claims are considered proprietary to the individual protestant churches. So we have a crisis much larger within Protestant communities for the sheer fact that around 10% of all of them actually report their numbers, and to those that do, is almost identical to abuse in Catholic setting.
>http://archive.is/Ay5U3
>http://stopbaptistpredators.org/article07/abuse_data_in_protestant_churches.html

Because of the nature of Protestantism, there is no hierarchical reporting apparatus like in the Catholic Church, even when some clergy actively covered up abuse.
>http://stopbaptistpredators.org/article07/child_sex_abuse_by_protestant_clergy.html

There is a concerted effort to report as widely as possible abuse that occurs in Catholic settings than in Protestant. ... and people are more than willing to suckle the teet of the narrative rather than do the actual research.

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>>134155392
Rome and the Vatican created Islam.
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/04apr/catholicislam.html

>>134155406
I hear audio. Is the video muted in the bottom left?

>>134155036
>>134155326
>>134155414
So, with the data we have, it is likened to saying that with 1/4th of the protestant sects that have the insurance, 1/4th of them actually report their abuse, not claiming it to be proprietary.
And still, the numbers are higher than Catholic.

>>134155414
>not doing it per capita
>knowing that the catholics actively cover up their abuses
>very fishy analysis

Catholics don't allow their priests to be married, this is why their priests are all 50 year old unmarried weirdos who touch children. Fucking stupidity

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Fuck you popery cucks! Calvinism is based!

this thread is a clusterfuck of confusion

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>>134155518
no one believes you conspiracy theory faggots and your overly long infographics

>>134155724
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

*licks nigger feet*
*has drug-fueled gay sex orgy in the vatican*
*rapes underage boys*
*facilitates muslim invasion of europe*
ahh yes those fucking protestants

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>>134155658
This is reports by the insurance companies themselves. Do the research yourself if you wish. I listed the three main carriers.

Did you not know that St. Paul was celibate? Or that Jesus said that for those who can accept it, be eunuchs for the kingdom?

>>134153007
Dogs determine sexual readiness from olfactory cues. Humans a re much more visual.

>>134155890
Tell that to the retarded Australian defending Vatican II like a total bitch

>>134155893
>Or that Jesus said that for those who can accept it, be eunuchs for the kingdom?
Can you prove that with the Bible?

>>134155724
>conspiracy

You realize the entire Biblical drama is derivative of the conspiracy that began in Heaven when Satan rebelled against God's authority.
Satan wields the principal agency over this fallen world and operates through deceived humans to do his bidding.

This whole things is a conspiracy and the illegitimate whore church known as "Catholicism" is the chief co-conspirator of Satan.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF170B126002E7CB0
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8C6E641820DB83B3

>>134155392

The Church is not failing. It is in constant battle with secular culture and apathy, just as it has always been through its entire history.

Despite what the media is telling you, the Church isn't "licking muslim feet" or "going soft on doctrine". I bet you readily believe headlines saying "The Pope says it is better to be Atheist" (out of context quote) or "Communion is allowed for remarried couples" (that was extrapolated from a footnote in a document, and is also wrong)

The media is garbage, anti-Catholic, and I won't accept it as a source.
The Church is not facing a crisis any worse than the troubles it has always had to deal with.

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>>134156024
Are you serious or just joking? I thought protestants were byebul chrishtuns.

By the way, nowhere in the Bible does it say that what must be believed must be contained in the Bible. After all, we got the Bible from the Catholic Church in the first place.

Literally faggotry, pedophilia, lazy shit mentality, liberalism, cuckery come from catholicism!

>>134155326
Not talking about the ammount catholics

there are more protestant churches thus more clergy who rape kids

>>134155893
There are twice as many protestants in the US as catholics. That's why you do it per capita. And the catholic church has a history of covering up their abuse scandals. There have been child molesters at the very top levels of the church

>Did you not know that St. Paul was celibate? Or that Jesus said that for those who can accept it, be eunuchs for the kingdom?
yeah m8, don't have sex or reproduce. Be a good goy. That's totally natural and normal and makes you a good person

>>134156212
Actually, from 1 to less than 2% of clergy abused children. It was majority laity--just as it is in protestant sects.

>>134146552
Oh piss off you heretic. Your pope kisses Islamic ass.

>>134156066
I don't read the Jewish press I see it firsthand in Church

The church isn't battling secular culture or apathy its fucking caving to it. If it is "resisting" secular culture its doing a fucking terrible job at it.

Churches are closing in the USA, this is a fact. Catholic Schools are going out of business. We don't have enough priests to staff all of our parishes especially in rural areas. Young people don't go to church. Old people don't believe what they should and they don't properly educate their kids. I have seen many priests who are very feminine or borderline gay. You also have the pedo scandals.

All of this is real and is happening...outside of the news. This is your modern Catholic Church. A fucking mess

I can't believe you have the audacity to defend such failures. You are a fucking cuck.

If you were near Hiroshima I bet you'd be happy that at least you got a free tan.

>>134156211
This anon gets it

Man I love pol! Literally Reformation Warriors here!

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>>134156561
About Hiroshima

>>134146552
who /orthodox/ here tbqhf?

>>134146552
I can't wait until God knocks down both of your lampshades and we can have a unified church again.

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>>134156659
Dude Martin Luther lmao

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>>134156845
Ayyyy

>>134156193
Qualifications for Overseers

>1This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Qualifications for Deacons

(Acts 6:1-7)

8Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; 9Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. 10And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 11Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 12Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus

Bonuspoints for cathocucks

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>>134156659
Reformation... like Father Luther saying polygamy wasn't against the law of God because... the Jews did it?
>letter to Philip of Hesse
Like when Father Luther separated Holy Matrimony from the function of the Church and relegated it to the State?
>without which sodomite civil unions wouldn't exist
Like when Father Luther added the word "alone" to Romans 3:28 to support his new doctrine of faith alone?
Or like when Father Luther removed the Book of James, Apocalypse, and Acts of the Apostles because they weren't "real Gospels"? Only to re-add Apocalypse and Acts because his colleagues protested much, yet, kept James out because it contradicted his new "faith alone" doctrine?
Like when King Henry VIII founded a new Protestant religion on the basis of divorce and "remarriage" like Francis is trying to legitimize?

Whew, reformation indeed. Re-formed Christianity into whole new sets of religions.

>>134156561

V2 isn't the cause of people leaving the Church.
If anything, the changes made in that Council have made the faith mor accessible.

The Church is as alive as ever, and I'm sorry that your particular parish is shrinking, but you can't blame V2 for that.

>>134156940

Continue

Warnings against False Teachers
1 Timothy 4
>1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

>>134157070
>made the faith more (((accessible)))
If the church is calling for the same "diversity" and "tolerance" for which any progressive is calling, it is meaningless. The church isn't calling anyone to anything right now

>>134147500
>But lets agree to drive out the faggots and the liberals from our churches. End Jewish domination of Christianity. End the pussification of Christ's message

agreed and i see cuckery from both sides, it's sad to see

>>134156940
The qualification for a Bishop here is addressing the issue of polygamy. Polygamy was a huge issue in the early Church, as Christianity has always forbade it.
It is simply saying that one must only have one wife; not making the criteria that a Bishop must be married.

>>134156961

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them*, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

>>134157457
Matthew 7: 21-23 KJV

>>134147500
How do I start doing this...I am going on a church family camping trip in a week and this will be one of the few times I'll be around my fellow churchmen for a significant time (couples small group dissolved years ago and I frankly hate going to church because our church has become so dogshit over the past few years)

I imagine I'll have the chance to talk to some people...any advice?

>>1341568458
Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another; love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous; not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary blessing, knowing that you were called to this, that you may inherit a blessing.

>>134157457
>Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven
Indeed... and who says Lord, Lord but people who consider themselves Christian?

>>134157512
>>134156845
I don't know...

>>134157457
Damn the KJV ought to be the only translation

>>133888242
I laugh at Catholics.
>Heretics will burn in hell.

>>134157255
>Did you not know that St. Paul was celibate? Or that Jesus said that for those who can accept it, be eunuchs for the kingdom?

lets get back to this. paul says you should get married if you dont have the gift

Teachings on Marriage

1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 3Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. 4The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 5Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. 6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. 7For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

>8I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. 9But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

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I hate fucking faggot cuck papists!

>>134149380

I know, but the guy I was responding to was being intentionally wrong with his depiction of Protestantism.

Revelation 21:8 KJV
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

>>134157741
Yes? What's the contention?

>>134157184

But its not.

The Church has always called for acceptance and charity between all people. It has also condemned sin and immorality, even if secular culture demands tolerance.

This makes Catholics hated and despised by both sides.

Some Catholics will try to paint themselves as progressive to avoid criticism from the progressive side.
Other Catholics, like the ones in this thread, will try to paint themselves as closer to radical conservative to avoid criticism.

Both of them commit the same folly.

Catholics will always be hated and despised for their beliefs. Just accept it.

>>134158112
I'm just a traditional Catholic, fratre. As Catholics have always been.
I'm a convert from protestantism, son of a pastor, who also converted, who also converted his pastor father on his deathbed. God is good.

>>134146850
>all protestants are evangelical

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>yfw actually knowing the bible or quoting it always shuts the papist fuck up

>>134158085
>Or that Jesus said that for those who can accept it, be eunuchs for the kingdom?


those who can accept it ,with the catholics its their own commandment.

>1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3Forbidding to marry,

>>134158813
Buddy, first off know what you're talking about. I'm a married man of five children.
If you're talking about the priesthood, you're talking about a Western discipline that is not required in the East. The Church in the West has simply taken on the call of Christ and St. Paul to be eunuchs for the kingdom.

If I remember correctly, it was Protestants who introduced contraception into society in 1930 at the Anglican Lambeth Conference; and it is Protestants who have been practicing it with wanton abandon ever since. It has so pervaded society, that even now most so-called Catholics procure these poisons of sterility themselves, behaving like neo-pagans.

>>134158813
>>134158813

That is wrong.
Within Catholicism, anyone is free to live either a celibate (concecrated or otherwise) life or a married life. There is no coersion and it is not a commandment.

Catholicism doesn't "forbid" marriage outright like the gnostics or Jewish aescetics Paul was writing about. There are plenty of married Catholics. We consider it a sacrement.

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>>134146552
>biggest charity on Earth
>invented hospital system/biggest healthcare provider on Earth
>invented university system/biggest provider of education (and free education) on Earth
>greatest artistic/architectural achievements on Earth
>Created the greatest works of music and created Western scale of music
>Preserved literature of antiquity
>Gave us Augustine, Aquinas, Anselm, Dante, Chesterton, etc
>2000 years of unbroken succession from apostles
>mfw I hear "whore of Babylon"

>>134159536
I grew up in a hardcore fundamentalist prot church. But diving deep into Church history and philosophy will make you Catholic.

Man, fuck you papists. Rationalizing your twisted anti sex agenda

>>134159536
>Preserved literature of antiquity

Kind of? You have more of Charlemagne to thank for that, him and the Muslims.

>>134159536
I'll give you that.
Catholic chrurch is pretty legit in those methods.

Still a larp religion though.

>>134159536
Thou shalt not kill (LXX; οὐ φονεύσεις), You shall not murder (Hebrew: לֹא תִּרְצָח lo tirṣaḥ) or You shall not kill (KJV), is a moral imperative included as one of the Ten Commandments in the Torah,[1] specifically Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17. The imperative to not kill is in the context of unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt.[2]

The Hebrew Bible contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also contains prescriptive imperatives for lawful killing in the context of warfare, capital punishment, and self-defense.

>>134160107
Seems like Catholics can't even obey that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

>>134160240
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/the-myth-of-the-spanish-inquisition

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Fuck off retard

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 4
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

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>>134160329
Jesuit's Oath:
"I do further declare that I will help, assist and advise all or any of his holiness’ agents, in any place where I should be in Switzerland, Germany, Holland or America, or in any other territory I shall come to, and do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic doctrines, and destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise. .... I do further promise and declare, that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth, and that I will spare neither age, sex, nor condition, and that I will burn, hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle, bury alive, these infamous heretics, open up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants’ heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poison cup, the strangulation cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity or authority of the persons whatever be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed to so do, by any agent of the Pope, or superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith of the Society of Jesus."

>>134146552
Catholics aren't Christian

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>>134160597
John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

>>134159536
>>Preserved literature of antiquity
No they didn't that was entirely the Byzantines to the 15th century.
>universities and hospitals have always existed
Grasping at straws

>>134146552
>the Pope can't make mistakes
>this is an actual thing Catholics believe

Get your kid diddling cult off my board

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>>134160675
Galatians
2:16/21
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
3:6-11
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
5:4-5
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

>>134160597
Whew, you left out James--like Father Luther.
You also left out Romans 3:28, which Father Luther added the word "alone" to, to support his new doctrine of "faith alone."

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>>134160801
http://www.newcovenantbaptist.org/100-bible-verses-on-salvation-by-faith-alone/

>>134160616
This was entered into the Library of Congress and is attributed to a Puritan politician who was running against a Jesuit.
This very same "oath" was ascribed to Knights of Columbus members years later.
It's a joke and you've been had in a 200 year old political propaganda war meme.

>>134160820
Adding "alone" makes zero difference. And since you seem to love James 2 so much lets see it
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Have you ever lied anon? Of course you have now yoir guilty of all.(Rev 21:8/27)

>>134160820
Adding the word alone does not change the meaning, it strengthens it

>>134161094
Who keeps the whole law but the Jews? Obviously you have a problem with context.
>James 2:14
>What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?
>James 2:18
>But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith.
>James 2:24
>Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?

And yes, adding the word "alone" to Romans 3:28 makes a big difference, as Father Luther himself said.
>"You tell me what a great fuss the Papists are making because the word alone in not in the text of Paul…say right out to him: 'Dr. Martin Luther will have it so,'…I will have it so, and I order it to be so, and my will is reason enough. I know very well that the word 'alone' is not in the Latin or the Greek text"

>>134161211
Yeah, I don't see how adding "alone" makes any difference

Romans 3:28King James Version (KJV)
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

>>134160905
Haha, I reached that last level after graduating from high school this year. I was an agnostic theist suffering from depression before.

>>134161299
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2006/02/luther-added-word-alone-to-romans-328.html

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>>134161299
Yes you should do works
2 Timothy 3
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works

Also no, adding "alone" makes no doctrinal difference. I'm not saying he should have but it makes zero difference for the meaning of it.

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>>134146552
Why do cathcucks get asshurt when someone calls them out for being corrupt kiddie fuckers?
Why do they defend kiddie fuckers as well?

>>134160927
>It's a joke and you've been had in a 200 year old political propaganda war meme.


How the fuck is it a joke when they literally did that kind of things ?

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>>134153126
>Jesuit
That's a funny way to spell Jew.

>>134161420
Yes, indeed. He was all about promoting his new doctrine, as he thought, reinterpreted in German would help Germans understand his importance upon faith alone. We're talking about a man that was unable to control his passions, was called the "nun liberator," was a known drunk at the pub, a rabble rouser in the peasant wars (until it got out of hand), was unable to keep his daily prayers in check as an Augustinian monk, etc.
Thus, faith alone, formulated on the toilet, gave him peace of mind, as he was unable to fulfill his own duties in his state in life.

As I like to say, without the 95 feces, there would be no 95 thesis.

>>134161658
They didn't. The Puritans came from England--a place where a propaganda war against Jesuits had been commonplace for hundreds of years because hundreds of Jesuits were sentenced to death for reconverting the Anglicans.

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>>134156758
What the fuck.
Is that really true?

Surely even Catholics can see that the church was corrupt as fuck even before Martin Luther started causing trouble

>>134161979
I don't know but they were nuked to smithereens, that's for sure.

>>134162033
The funny thing is they have to justify it. Same with the inquisition even thoigh Jesus would be against that
Revelation 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

>>134161979
Yes.
>http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/the-miracle-of-hiroshima-jesuits-survived-the-atomic-bomb-thanks-to-the-rosary-69261/

>>134162033
Surely there were corrupt prelates. There was a corrupt prelate even in Jesus' 12. Doesn't justify the complete break with the Church of Christ, the creation of new doctrines, of new ecclesiologies, of new orientations toward the world.

>>134161761
>a man that was unable to control his passions
Indeed, he was quite a sinner
>was called the "nun liberator,"
And God bless him for that
>was a known drunk at the pub
He was no more a drunk than the rest of Germany
>a rabble rouser in the peasant wars (until it got out of hand),
That's a slanderous lie. Luther supported the proposed reform in principle, but right from the start he was staunchly opposed first to the threat, and later to the actuality of violence.
>was unable to keep his daily prayers in check as an Augustinian monk
It is well known how he spent most of his time at the monastery in a confessional.
>as he was unable to fulfill his own duties in his state in life.
And thank God that he did fail, because had he succeeded in his earthly duties, he would surely have been damned.

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>>134152328
I have no problem fighting are true evil pic related

>>134158279
Amen I say to brother in Christ. Good to see converts to the One true Church.

What about orthodoxy

To any Cuckolicks you actually can know you are saved even though your church says you can't.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
>that ye may know that ye have eternal life,

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>>134161841

The protestants have been at war with the catholics , from that the masons and the jesuits formed and they waged war in secret, the truth will be somewhere in between , but history is against the catholics

>>134162182
I'm not sure if Martin Luther intended all that to happen

>>134162290
>And God bless him for that
For breaking his vows to God, and sleeping with nuns who were consecrated virgins to the Most High?
Damn.
>He was no more a drunk than the rest of Germany
He was routinely carried out.
>That's a slanderous lie
No, it isn't. He railed against the Princes, until it got out of hand and he was frightened, then he railed against the peasants.

>>134162357
America was founded by the Masons to escape persecution from the Catholic Church. Then, the Jesuits infiltrated the Masons and corrupted them.

>>134162445
He didn't. And at the end of his life, regretted that he "ever preached the Gospel at all." Although, he still contended that his new gospel was the true gospel. Interestingly enough, even as he said that the people were less pious, more rowdy, more licentious, less charitable, than they were as "papists."

>>134161841
The Jesuits were punished with death because they violated the good trust of the king by attempting to re-convert England immediately upon being granted toleration, the king having been moved by their plight.

Why does the KJV lack 7 or so old testament books that Catholics and orthodox Christians use? Also why all of the infighting between denominations? The divisiveness doesn't help.

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>>134162586

That is my understanding also

>>134146552
>134146552
protestants are just prophet wannabees creating their own sects

>>134147500
>let's use christianity to push an agenda
sounds mighty dangerous bro
rip

>>134162658
That's the apocrypha. Most Protestants believe that it isn't actually sripture. And the people that made KJV actually did translate it but they didn't believe it to be God's word.

>>134162600
and to think that it might all have been avoided if the selling of indulgences had been stopped. A completely indefensible practice no matter which denomination you are.

>>134162508
>For breaking his vows to God
Oaths are of men, marriage is from God.
>He railed against the Princes, until it got out of hand and he was frightened, then he railed against the peasants.
Again, slander and lies. Do you not know you will stand before Christ and answer for this false witness?

>>134162694
Man, Washington D.C is rife with Masonic objects.

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>>134162357
The Jesuits formed before the Masons. Jesuits became a mainly counter-reformation order; a real scholarly order at that. The 19th and 20th centuries saw the Jesuits infiltrated by socialist and worldly movements.
>>134162646
>the good trust
The King usurped the title as 'head of the Church', and hilariously founded his new protestant sect on the foundations of divorce and remarriage, and remarriage, and remarriage, and remarriage, etc.
The Jesuits were just there to save souls from his false sect masquerading as apostolic.

>>134162694
Adams, the fellow that, when asked, why God wasn't included in the Constitution replied, "I say, sir, We forgot!"
>issues Treaty of Tripoli, Article 13, "the United States Government is in no way founded upon the Christian religion."
Yeah, talk about eternal damnation.

Don't confuse revolutionaries and Christians.