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Wow $10 Trillion... Where did all that money go?

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Wow $10 Trillion... Where did all that money go?
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>>134145357
ask and you shall receive
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>>134145651
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>>134145678
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-spending-binge-never-happened-2012-05-22?pagenumber=1
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>>134145357
the rich boy bottle rocket camp in cape canaveral
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>>134145357
Anon said Barry has a $10B private army stashed somewhere.
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>>134145678
Anything reported "as a % of GDP" is bogus, since the GDP number itself is bogus.
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>>134145746
>spending growth
not a fan of either party but the fact that you have to claim "he put us into more debt the slowest" is not a good argument.
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>>134145746
>>134145678
>>134145651
>no mention of gibs
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>>134145357
Greene energy
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>>134145678
Obama leaf, right on time. You've proven time and time again that you don't even know what a deficit is, yet you keep posting that image while desperately hoping nobody will call you out on your retardation.
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>>134147493
I do know what a deficit is. Have you read the CBO report yet?

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf
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>>134145651
>>134145678
>>134145746
I'm probably going to be a right wing retard until the end of days, but I still love seeing Obamaleaf give /pol/ a good ass raping on the economy. You're doing God's work leafbro.
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>>134148102
Thanks bro.
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>>134148102
I have to say there has been a surge in compliments recently.

Too many to keep up with and save. But don't worry yours is saved.
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>>134145357
I've grown to accept that the Obama Leaf is autistic and cannot control his actions. Rather than encourage his bad behavior I will post this picture to alert other posters of this very special poster's medical condition.
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>>134145357

What money?
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its free swipe ya EBT
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>>134147493
If I had my way, this would be mandatory viewing for all right wing retards who are clearly too young or too autistic to remember.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2POembdArVo&feature=youtu.be&t=56
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>>134148563
>14 million

Do you know how old those are?

retard pls
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>>134145357
Investing in our future anon
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Saged
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See you in September Obamaleaf
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>>134149346
I'm here now bitch.
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>>134145651
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>>134148731
Aaaaand debunked: http://dataspace.princeton.edu/jspui/bitstream/88435/dsp01zs25xb933/3/603.pdf
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DA BILLIONAIRES AND TRILLIONAIRES!
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>>134149449
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>>134149464
>>134149466
>>134149510
In case anyone had any doubt that the shills monitor me 24/7 because I am a massive threat to them.

jesus christ
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>>134145746
Aaaaand debunked: https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293.
>bush is responsible for all debt under his term
>but obongo isn't
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>>134149449
fuck you
american energy industry folded in late 2014
latest data is from Q1 2015
you think Q1 2016 will show an increase?
Can't wait to mop the floor with your tears
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>>134149618
>shill
See: >>134148563
Definition of a shill, plus a redditor known as OBAMA_LEAF.
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>>134149686
>you think Q1 2016 will show an increase?

Yes. I do. We shall see. You're right that the data comes out in September.
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>>134149618
I honestly thought you'd be in bed by now.

But low and behold your here, post the same shit again.
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>>13414565
So according to your chart the debt should be almost +700 billion by this point with Trump, but it's actually -100 billion. What happened?

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=01&startDay=20&startYear=2017&endMonth=07&endDay=18&endYear=2017
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>>134149711
I'm a truth teller who drops redpills and debunks GOP establishment and billionaire globalist supercuck lies.
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>>134145651
Tax cuts aren't spending
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>>134149806
meant for >>134145651
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>>134149618
>talks about how many compliments he's receiving these days
>not a threat to right wing rural and suburban retards
yeah, 出る釘は打たれる
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>>134149821
Aaaand debunked again: https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm.
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-2017-BUD/pdf/BUDGET-2017-BUD.pdf#page=132
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-2017-BUD/pdf/BUDGET-2017-BUD.pdf#page=123
>economy does poorly when tax revenue decreases
Huh, I didn't know the federal government was so needy.
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>>134149762
Average wage? Wow I'm so glad rich people are getting richer. Thanks Obama!
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>>134149771
How is it that you GOP shills always show up in every thread I post, at any time of day. I am a massive threat to you. How much do you get paid to monitor me. You clearly have an office dedicated to me. It's a compliment.

Also 2 things about that chart. It shows your GOP hero Dubya Bush crashing the economy. And how many times do I have to tell you to use the 25-54 not 16+. Do you know why the 16+ is only 63%? Because the other 37% are retirees, students, etc.
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>>134149821
>percentages of large numbers are also large numbers and this is bad
>I am Obama's leaf
loser.
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>>134149618
when are you going to do a North American tour with your graphs?
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>>134145651
>where did all that money go?
Not
>where did the money not come from?

Blaming tax cuts is retarded. Justify the expenditures.
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>>134149937
The debt ceiling happened. Wtf are you retards going to say when they raise the debt ceiling in August (if GOP can even agree) and the debt shoots up by 1 trillion? Seriously u retards know nothing about how any of this works. Why do you continue embarrassing yourselves?
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>>134150073
>how do you find me so easily
Maybe if you weren't so predictable.
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>>134150002
Are you getting overtime for this? Why am I such a huge threat to you? Because I tell the truth to the poor white voters you take advantage of and lie to?

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/economicdevelopment/study-obama-tax-hikes-on-rich-didnt-hurt-economy-or-rich/2301353

"It is striking to note that the best growth years for the bottom 99 percent since 1990 have taken place in the mid to late 1990s and since 2013, shortly after increases in top tax rates," Saez wrote.
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>>134145651
>>134145746
>Talking Points Memo
Literally fake news
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>>134150073
>don't use 16+ because it shows how many illegal spics took jobs away from our teens
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>>134150075
Your entire cuck party's ideology is to slash taxes for billionaires and explode the budget deficit. I am a threat to you GOP establishment shills because I am telling the truth to your poor voters you take advantage of.

Part 2 — Billionaire Warren Buffett says GOP health reform bills are relief for the rich
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/part-2-billionaire-warren-buffett-says-gop-health-reform-bills-relief-rich/
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>>134145651
>>134145357
niggers
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>>134150108
Can you imagine how much security I would need
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>>134145678
The defecit rose under obama tho, more than the bush admin
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Holy shit Obamaleaf calling other people a shill

UpsidedownGirlLaughing.gif

I haven't been lurking enough, I never thought he'd stop that low instead of refuting the republican arguments. (I did)

Quick, Post images of Based Bill taking credit for the dotcom boom
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>>134150238
>posting alternate facts about the economy and arguing their relevance on a political imageboard is shilling
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>>134150435
But he's going to post a chart showing deficit as a % of the GDP... instead of showing the deficit by the number
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>>134150238
>"It is striking to note that the best growth years for the bottom 99 percent since 1990 have taken place in the mid to late 1990s and since 2013, shortly after increases in top tax rates," Saez wrote.

hmmm... I wonder why.
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>>134150207
Notice how all you're doing is spamming graphs, then when I debunk them, you can never argue on the topic of the graph, you just move on to the next one. You have no deep knowledge of these topics. I've told you that before. You can't actually debate, just spam graphs. Every time I press you deeper on the topic, you jump to the next fake graph. You are a GOP shill 1.0. Very poor. You need to upgrade your programming. I have told you this before.
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>>134150461
post pics of Bill signing NAFTA and inviting the Chinese into the WTO
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>>134150301
The 16+ CLFPR means 16 and over so it includes millions of retirees. The reason why it's falling is because baby boomers are retiring en masse and LEAVING THE LABOR FORCE. Why did u think it was falling?

My 80 year old retired grandma is not working age. Sorry retards.
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>>134150238
>that projection
Try harder.
>increasing taxes actually decreases taxes
Woah... almost like the Laffer curve doesn't exist...
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>>134150435
That's false. At least learn how to spell 'deficit' before spouting lies about it.
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>>134150435
>>134150527
Obama reduced the budget deficit by 2/3. It would be a similar chart in real numbers instead of %. I can make that one. I think I may have it even. Nah this is %. Next thread I'll make in real numbers as well. It's very similar. Pretty sure FRED has it.
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>>134150362
>muh billionaires
like Goldman Sachs?
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>>134150535
Because Democrats raise taxes on the rich. You're doing very very poorly. You need to upgrade your programming.

>Notice how all you're doing is spamming graphs, then when I debunk them, you can never argue on the topic of the graph, you just move on to the next one. You have no deep knowledge of these topics. I've told you that before. You can't actually debate, just spam graphs. Every time I press you deeper on the topic, you jump to the next fake graph. You are a GOP shill 1.0. Very poor. You need to upgrade your programming. I have told you this before. >>134150538
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>>134150073
>In every thread I post
>thread I post

Thanks for admitting to samefagging.
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>>134150711
>percent of GDP
Thanks for proving my point. Your tricks are so predictable.
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>>134150461
Its extremely to get fake metrics on the obama administration by playing around 2008.

Neolibs like to say obama rose on a percentage from the pit of the 08 recession, and similar things. Economically he was complete trash in every way, the aca increased healthcare costs and most of what he qctually passed was anti corporation enviroment laws THAT ONLY APPLY TO US CORPORATIONS (and some cucked eu countries).

He shouldve been seeing record numbers coming off that recession and he didnt, I dont think he had a single year of 3% gdp growth and that was with leveraging.
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>>134150607
So in January 2007 many 80 year olds were working but now 80 year olds don't work? I don't get it. It's a line graph. You're implying old people hold a higher proportion of the population than 10 years ago, yet we have an offset from the millennial generation, do we not?
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>>134150566
You mean Bush. Here u go.

Have a video too.

And watch as I demolish your entire fake news alternative reality.

12/17/1992: Pres. Bush Signs NAFTA
http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/dec-17-1992-pres-bush-signs-nafta-15205420
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>>134150461
missed this one

can't keep up with all these shills out of the woodwork
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>>134150538
>debunk them
no sweetheart you only say you debunk them, and that only count to you and maybe you mom.
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>>134150813
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD

He's not wrong though. It does look similar whether looking at percent of GDP or by the nominal value, which isn't surprising.
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>>134150765
>Notice how all you're doing is spamming graphs, then when I debunk them, you can never argue on the topic of the graph, you just move on to the next one. You have no deep knowledge of these topics. I've told you that before. You can't actually debate, just spam graphs. Every time I press you deeper on the topic, you jump to the next fake graph. You are a GOP shill 1.0. Very poor. You need to upgrade your programming. I have told you this before. >>134150538 (You)
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>>134149923
do you not understand basic economics? somebody has to pay for all your nice shit you know.
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>>134149821
what kind of retard are you holy fuck lowest % pay no federal taxes and you say no impact fuck you this is literally fucking retard tier
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>>134145357
Fine I'll be the only one with the right answer.

Jews.
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>>134150636

https://www.google.com/search?q=federal+deficit&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjqy5zUvZTVAhWI34MKHXjbA4gQ_AUIBigB#mhpiv=0&spf=1500437607783

What does that look like to you
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>>134150803
Every time I post in a thread, this GOP shill shows up. It's actually quite disturbing.

I'm not sure why you are so confused by this sentence. Are you retarded?
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>>134150911
Fun fact: the odd one out is a bullshit fake graph.
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>>134150916
2008: -458
->
2016: -587

really makes me think
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>>134145357
you think those gold plated spinners on all king niggers donks were free?
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>>134150813
>>134150916
Exactly. Thank you. That's what I was trying to tell him. These retards don't know their numbers.

Here I even have one in nominal value, not %

I will make a FRED one after this thread. I always keep my promises.
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Every one of these threads is the same. The leaf tries to defend one of the slowest economic recoveries in modern history, people call him on his shit, and he ignores everyone or projects his role as a shill onto them, in typical leftist fashion. I don't know why anybody would continue to try and debate this retard.

>>134151008
>HURRR HOW COM EVERYONE DOGPILES ME WHEN I SHILL FOR KEYNESIANISM ON A NATIONALIST WEBSITE DURRRRR?
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>>134149821
That has to be a troll infograph. how can people who make less than 200k have savings in their taxes show meaningfully with a 200k increment? The metric is fucked
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Big government programs can only grow bigger government.
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>>134145651
This chart is bullshit because you could do the same with any form of spending.

"Without this spending, the deficit would be X".

Per instance, without social security/welfare/education spending (private everything), we would have a surplus.
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>>134151035
Why do you GOP shills ignore that Bush left Obama a $1.4 TRILLION budget deficit in FY2009?

You don't know how US fiscal years work do you? Be honest.

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

Why don't you read the CBO report?

>CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP.
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>>134150998
All I see is a Google search of a bunch of random graphs. Just look at the graph of the federal deficit and it's quite obvious the deficit was reduced under Obama.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD
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>>134151101
see >>134151035
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Anyone else find it hilarious how hard these GOP establishment shills try and fail?
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>>134145651
Tax cuts don't need to be paid for. When you say they do, it implies that all the money you own belongs to the gov.
>>134150958
Nobody has to pay for tax cuts. A tax cut is just people keeping more of their OWN money.
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>>134145357 (Sage)
It's higher than that. What they do is cook the books, shift numbers and omit some things, when in reality we're so very fucked.

Hear ye hear ye, the next bubble will crash in the next decade. It's going to be the worst one yet, and will most likely be in housing and/or student loans (more people than ever are in college [most, if not all, have active loans out], and most house purchases are between flippers and realtors). Buy silver while you still own things of value.
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>>134145357

SJW groups and degeneracy promotion, worst american president ever.
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>>134150933
>Notice how all you're doing is spamming graphs, then when I debunk them, you can never argue on the topic of the graph, you just move on to the next one. You have no deep knowledge of these topics. I've told you that before. You can't actually debate, just spam graphs. Every time I press you deeper on the topic, you jump to the next fake graph. You are a GOP shill 1.0. Very poor. You need to upgrade your programming. I have told you this before.
>Michael Jackson's "Man in the Mirror" begins to play in the background

HAHA!
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>>134150778
yet youre the maroon who thinks causation = correlation.
>we must dispel the notion...
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>>134151290
...which means less money for the government. Are you this dense? You do realize taxes fund the government, right?
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>>134150911
You keep posting graphs of Bush crashing the economy in 2008 and u think this somehow hurts Obama.

You're afraid of showing Obama's actual record from 2009 to 2017 because you know he has a good record.

How many times do I have to tell you that?

>Notice how all you're doing is spamming graphs, then when I debunk them, you can never argue on the topic of the graph, you just move on to the next one. You have no deep knowledge of these topics. I've told you that before. You can't actually debate, just spam graphs. Every time I press you deeper on the topic, you jump to the next fake graph. You are a GOP shill 1.0. Very poor. You need to upgrade your programming. I have told you this before. >>134150538 (You) (You)
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>>134151175
>HURRR HOW COM EVERYONE DOGPILES ME WHEN I SHILL FOR KEYNESIANISM ON A NATIONALIST WEBSITE DURRRRR?
Hitler was a Keynesian retard
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So the thread in summary is communist leaf gets completely btfo
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>>134151035
You're apparently not thinking hard enough. Obama wasn't president in 2008.
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>>134151101
Like I said earlier, neolibs have to cling to 2008 because otherwise their fairytale economic theories fall apart. Obama did jack shit to grow the economy, in fact he impeded it. He was supposed to see record growth on that recovery.
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>>134151265
see >>134151213

Why are you ignoring that Bush left Obama a $1.4 TRILLION budget deficit in FY2009? >>134151101

because you know you're lying.
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>>134151008
>trying to pretend like you were the OP

Goddamn. You are such a fag. You can't even samefag in a non-obvious way. Why would anyone trust what you have to say considering your abysmal stupidity. In all of your time on this board you probably haven't convinced a single person of anything other than the fact that you're a retard.
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>>134151361
you're the retards who think tax cuts for the rich pay for themselves with trickle down magic
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>>134151290
You mean, I get to keep YOUR money you fucking loser. Hahahahahaha
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>>134151213
>BUUUUSSSSSHHHH!!!!
That's really no excuse for the slowest recovery in American history
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>>134151381
Yet the government keeps taking more and more of what I earn and giving me less and less. Really makes me think...
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>>134151381
That graph is a bunch of bullshit. Not only does it not have any source, but nearly everything under Obama has been fucking lied about. Everything from deployment numbers to shenanigans for determining "unemployed" by not counting people who want employment but gave up seeking or counting part timers as being "fully employed". Fuck you.
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>>134151441
This. This is the key point. I honestly think right wing retards think Obama took office in 2008. This is how retarded these people are. They completely dindus Bush crashing the economy in 2008 from their minds. They've erased it from their tiny little brains. They pretend like it never happened.

They ignore that Bush left Obama a $1.4 TRILLION budget deficit >>134151213

They dindu the existence of this proud 2 term Republican president.
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>>134151525
Shit, line it up alongside something like ww2 for good measure. The dude spent 8 years attacking american companies and people pretend he even has a record.
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>>134150238
>gets actual studies linked as a counter argument instead of uncited killshot images
>proceeds to go on an unrelated petulant tirade against "shills"

now this makes me think
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>>134151381
>BUUUUUSSSSHHHHH!!
now tell me I'm "dindu" Bush.
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>>134151525
Why do paid GOP establishment shills always go back to Reagan and ignore the last 2 Republican presidents. This cracks me up every time
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>>134151454
Umm, sorry sweetie. FY2009 is Obama's
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>>134145357
Quantitative easing, welfare, military.
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>>134151585
>Everything from deployment numbers to shenanigans for determining "unemployed" by not counting people who want employment but gave up seeking or counting part timers as being "fully employed". Fuck you.

The U4 includes discouraged workers. It's 4.5%. Obama never changed how any of this is calculated. Why are you people still going on with these debunked right wing fake news memes that even Trump doesn't spout anymore.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/U4RATE
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>>134151613
More like you're wiping every other year than 2008 out of your mind because the performance is embaressing. Our economy wouldve recovered faster from 2008 if we didnt have a president for 8 years. You wanna explain how thats even fucking possible?
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>>134151613
>dindu
called it.
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>>134151205

I'm gonna violate your boiNAP.
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>>134151684
Because the last two bushes might as well have been Obamas cousins.
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>>134151657
This >>134150002
isn't an actual study.

It's the FY2017 budget.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-2017-BUD/pdf/BUDGET-2017-BUD.pdf#page=132

Obama's last budget.

You're just spamming links and saying "DEBUNKED"

Are you paid shills even trying? This is horrendous performance.
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>>134145357
Welfare, proxy wars, regime change, bush era tax cuts, the recession deficit.
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Wait I'm confused

Bush's deficit came after all his pointless wars, and was due to quantitative easing; if Quantitative easing "saved" the economy and occurred multiple times under Obama. So Obama used Bushes strategy to "save" the economy and he extended the Bush tax cuts, with the economy continueing to recover

Wtf I love republicans now
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>>134145651
yo, that is deficit not debt.

that's like answering I earn $7.50 an hour to the question of, "how much does that car cost?"

the funny thing is you basically said, "Obama spent it all on shit."

also a tax cut doesn't effect deficit the presidential budget does. that is an accounting hella fuck no, don't stop...

please I googled it just read the damn shit
https://www.google.com/search?q=economics+deficite+vs+debt&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS725US725&oq=economics+deficite+vs+debt&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.13427j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=economics+deficit+vs+debt
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>>134150238
>Debunking shit a person posts is akin to personally attacking them

And thats how we know for sure your a liberal cuckold shill. Feelings come first.
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>>134151898
Hey based leaf, have you checked this copy pasta yet?

Obama (D) - 8 yrs in office. Zero criminal indictments, zero convictions and zero prison sentences. So the next time somebody describes the Obama administration as "scandal free" they aren't speaking wishfully, they're simply telling the truth.
Bush, George W. (R) - 8 yrs in office. 16 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 9 prison sentences.
Clinton (D) - 8 yrs in office. 2 criminal indictments. One conviction. One prison sentence. That's right nearly 8 yrs of investigations. Tens of millions spent and 30 yrs of claiming them the most corrupt ever and there was exactly one person convicted of a crime.
Bush, George H. W. (R) - 4 yrs in office. One indictment. One conviction. One prison sentence.
Reagan (R) - 8 yrs in office. 26 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 8 prison sentences.
Carter (D) - 4 yrs in office. One indictment. Zero convictions and zero prison sentences.
Ford (R) - 4 yrs in office. One indictment and one conviction. One prison sentence.
Nixon (R) - 6 yrs in office. 76 criminal indictments. 55 convictions. 15 prison sentences.
Johnson (D) - 5 yrs in office. Zero indictments. Zero convictions. Zero prison sentences.

So, let’s see where that leaves us. In the last 53 years, Democrats have been in the Oval Office for 25 of those years, while Republicans held it for 28. In their 25 yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence. That's one whole executive branch official convicted of a crime in two and a half decades of Democrat leadership.
In the 28 yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53 yrs they have had a total of (a drum roll would be more than appropriate), 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down. That's more prison sentences than years in office since 1968 for Republicans.
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>>134151898
>You're just spamming links and saying "DEBUNKED"
>Michael Jackson's "Man in the Mirror" continues to play in the background

Hahaha!
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>>134151739
FY2009 is Bush's last budget. LOL. Obama's first budget is FY2010. Holy shit where are you getting your infomation from? You don't even understand the basic US budget process.

FY2009 >>134151213

I'm giving you the Bush White House screenshot. >>134151213

How do you people not know basic facts about your own country?

You're fucking embarrassing yourself holy shit.

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf
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>>134151898
it is very convenient how you ignored the first link and only addressed the second. you are making me think even further
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>>134152047
I love it when you give up.

>Notice how all you're doing is spamming graphs, then when I debunk them, you can never argue on the topic of the graph, you just move on to the next one. You have no deep knowledge of these topics. I've told you that before. You can't actually debate, just spam graphs. Every time I press you deeper on the topic, you jump to the next fake graph. You are a GOP shill 1.0. Very poor. You need to upgrade your programming. I have told you this before.>>134150538
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>>134151898
You haven't read it, then.
>~10 trillion debt increase
>nah, blame the last guy
>everything negative under Bush's terms can be attributed to his policies
pick one
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>>134151613
Obamaleaf, why have you not killed yourself?
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>>134152077
also it isn't "spam", the last two links send you to two different pages that pertain to the first link you absolute imbecile
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>>134151948
>also a tax cut doesn't effect deficit

They are definitely not sending their brightest here, for sure
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>>134151739
Honestly you should be embarrased for being so fucking retarded that you dont know that FY2009 was Bush's last budget. You retards don't even have a basic understanding of how any of this works. Why do you embarrass yourselves?

When is Trump's first budget? What fiscal year. Please tell me.

FY2009 >>134151213 (You)
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>>134152104
>give up
Nigga, I'm just starting.
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>>134151101
oh my, would you look at that... budget deficit went down under Obama? That wouldn't, by chance, be him inheriting the results of the Bush tax cuts, now could it? Also, these graphs are either reductions of proposed increases, made from relative data that is easily fudged to meet a certain scale, or are so poorly sourced that my autistic cousin wouldn't buy them. Congratulations. You have attained a new level of stupidity. The government doesn't even have to lie to you anymore. You have reached critical mass. The reaction is self-sustaining. You now lie to yourself on an almost hourly basis. Goebbels would be jealous.
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>>134148102
Obamaleaf has never, and will never, be right
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>>134152077
>>134152135
Why don't you explain yourself and address what I said. >>134151898


You spamming links and saying "debunked" is not an argument. Did u think it was?
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>>134152164
>>also a tax cut doesn't effect deficit

This is the key reason why right wing retards can't be trusted with money.
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>>134152024
The overblown slander against the Clinton family is one of the most disgusting narratives put forward this century
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>>134150538
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa
WHAT A FUCKING FAGGOT
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>>134152266
I'm always right. You retards should thank me for educating you dumbasses.
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>>134152247
It is amazing how blatantly obvious you shills make it how you pounce when you find me in a thread. >>134149618

How excited do you get?

>>134149464
>>134149466
>>134149510
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>>134152350
yet the USD only got stronger
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>>134152024
Hey portubro

Does that line up with this?
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>>134151764
The fact is the index used to report unemployment was changed in 2009. This index was to make Obama look better because he fucking sucked. So fuck you.
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>>134152409
But you're not.
spamming "2/3rds deficit reduction" is either intentionally misleading or you're legitimately retarded. 2/3rds after giant ass bailout is fucking nothing.
And you never respond about the debt either
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>>134152409
>I'm alway right let me show you a screen cap of somebody on /pol/ agreeing with me.
This is honestly the most pathetic part of your whole spiel.
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>>134151101

>budget surplus
>national debt keeps rising
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Looks like the shillbots got fried.
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>>134152454
>calls people shills
>40+ posts
Keep on wasting that precious time you have, my man. Still can't address the refutations of your economic conspiracies, though.
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>>134152479
>x4 the money supply in the hands of jews
>median income stays the same
wow sure thing friend. You're one graph about something else sure did counter me.
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>>134152574
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>>134152054
Bush passed a six-month resolution to allow government to keep functioning. Full Blue House (Obama+Dem Senate) passed FY 2009. Bush proposed a $407 billion deficit. Obama and the Dem Senate made it $1.4 billion in 2009. Read and weep.

And if you are honest, delete all the charts that don't include FY2009.
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>>134152350

Just stop.
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>>134152536
>The fact is the index used to report unemployment was changed in 2009.

No it didn't. You retards just made this up. You know that right. That's why you've never had any evidence.

Fuck even Trump admits the numbers aren't phony. He just told you its was 42% because he knows u retards will believe anything.

Why didn't you know what U4 was? >>134151764

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/U4RATE


Why don't u thank me for educating you?
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>>134145678
Deficit and debt at two separate things retard.
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>>134152573
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>>134150073
you schizophrenic sperg go outside.
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>>134152573
He can't into debt because he's a brainwashed lefty shill who has no concept of how debt works
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>>134152327
Bill Clintons surplus was mostly fueled by the dot com bubble. It was an artificial paper economy that gave the illusion of robust growth. The Bush equivilent of posting shit like this would be to point to the early 2000s and be like wow look how many people are buying expensive houses. The economy is doing great! In both situations (((experts))) told us that we were in a new futuristic economy that will grow forever and in both situations it was just an illusion fueled by way too much liquidity in financial markets
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>>134152538
2/3 reduction from the budget deficit he inherited from Bush. That's pretty clear. When was the last time a Republican president ever reduced the budget deficit he inherited? You retards never answer this.
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>>134152454
You're so easy to find you might as well be on fire.

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/PmTkFdIyMavF6513kpVqXg/
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It's another autistic-neet-leafshill-dances-around-the-fact-that-Obama-has-been-the-single-most-catastrophic-thing-to-happen-to-the-national-debt-in-american-history thread
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>>134152659
>>134152785
??
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>>134152659
>. Bush proposed a $407 billion deficit.

In fucking February 2008.

Do you have any clue what happened at the end of 2008? Are you actually being for real right now? When the economy crashes, the deficit soars. How do you not know this. Holy shit.

Here is the CBO report from January 9th, 2009. When Bush was still president.


Why don't you read the CBO report?

>CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
>$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf

It wasn't legislative changes. It was the economy melting down. How do you not know this?

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

Even the CATO institute is on my side.
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>>134152831
So you search for me on /pol/ 24/7? Isn't that a sad existence for you to dedicate your entire life to me?
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>>134152728
No actually it was because of tax hikes on the rich in 1993. >>134150778

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993

Previously the top individual tax rate of 31% applied to all income over $51,900. The Act created a new bracket of 36% for income above $115,000, and 39.6% for income above $250,000.[2]
Previously, corporate income above $335,000 was taxed at 34%. The Act created new brackets of 35% for income from $10 million to $15 million, 38% for income from $15 million to $18.33 million, and 35% for income above $18.33 million.[3]
The 2.9% Medicare tax had previously been capped to apply to only the first $135,000 of income. The cap was removed.
Transportation fuels taxes were raised by 4.3 cents per gallon.
The portion of Social Security benefits subject to income taxes was raised from 50% to 85%.[4]
The phaseout of the personal exemption and the limit on itemized deductions were permanently extended.
The AMT tax rate was increased from 24% to tiered rates of 26% and 28%.[5]
Part IV Section 14131: Expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit and added inflation adjustments.
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>>134152966
And the market crashed because? No not Bush, Clinton what are you straight nigger retarded?
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>>134152574
Syrupnigger you've been called out on this so many times is tiring.
And then the very next day you will just forget everything and just make the same post over and over again with the same charts over and over again.
You're ego will never let you admit you are wrong. There is literally no point in debating you, so we ignore you.
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>>134153006
No, even nu/pol/ can find you, you might as well post some nudes, my dude.
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>>134152659
>>134152865
>>134152966
>Bush proposes a budget in FEBRUARY 2008
>The economy crashes in the worst Republican Recession since the GReat Republican Depression

and right wing retards literally don't know that the deficit explodes. Revenues plunge, expenditures explode. How do u retards not know that the economy crashed in 2008? I'm dead serious.

Call the fucking CBO and ask them tmrw what the budget deficit was that Obama inherited.

Here is what they will tell you:

Here is the CBO report from January 9th, 2009. When Bush was still president.


Why don't you read the CBO report?

>CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
>$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf
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>>134153006
>see thread about the debt
>check the time
>think 0bama leaf must be in bed by now
>nope.jpg
>proceed to make him dance for my amusement

I was having a pretty long day at work and it's nice to come home to some quality entertainment.
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>>134152966
>signs bill
>nahhhh, nothing bad can ever happen under my watch, just blame it on the last guy
Not an argument.
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>>134153130
Bush dindu nuffin? Are you trying to dindu an entire 8 year GOP presidency?
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>>134153204
Why are you calling for white genocide? Fucking racist.
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>>134153202
No way I don't want right wing retards jerking off to my BLC!
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>>134153204
>How do u retards not know that the economy crashed in 2008? I'm dead serious.
But that's not the claim. Went right over your head, apparently. Keep on beating that strawman, though, I'm sure you'll get somewhere.
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>>134153130
>The president in charge of the country in the 8 years right before the crisis dindu nuffin, but the president who handed over a budget surplus and a booming economy is totally and 100% guilty!

When will GOP shills go to some place else?
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>>134152327
It takes a few years or more to see effects of policy, dipshit. You don't just sign a bill and then *BOOM* its done. For example, it took more than a decade before Fanny and Freddie (drafted and signed by your lover, Mr. Clinton) blew up and caused the housing crisis. Its only taken half that for Obamacare to fail and fuck us. Your lover just inherited the results of Reaganomics. He even said in a famous quote that his operating procedure, as far as the economy was concerned, was to not rock the boat. This means do nothing. This means he just put Reagan's bills into autopilot and took all the credit. Too bad he couldn't stick to his quote 100% or we might have never had a housing bubble... Anyway, tax cuts on a percentage basis don't directly effect the deficit. The deficit is determined by revenues which, as you apparently do not know, tend to go up when taxes are cut due to increased economic growth and therefore revenue growth, thereby causing you to make more despite having lowered the tax rate. Many presidents and other leaders have been very surprised to see this play out.
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>>134153326
I'm not
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I LOVE WATCHING OBAMALEAF BTFO THESE RIGHT WING RETARDS. EASILY MY FAVORITE INDIAN ON POL
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>>134152966
You mean the CBO that assumed that Dems were going to spend more than necessary instead of leaving it at 2008 levels?
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>>134153298
>dindu
I already called this stop reinforcing it.

Here something new for you, did you know 0bama was directly involved in the housing bubble?

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/03/with-landmark-lawsuit-barack-obama-pushed-banks-to-give-subprime-loans-to-chicagos-african-americans/
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>>134153298
I come from biz I know more about markets than you could dream of pal. The only thing Bush did wrong was not having the foresight to see some of the worst housing bills Clinton passed.
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>>134153344
All you retards have done is proven 2 things. YOu don't understand the US budget process, and you don't understand that Bush crashed the economy in 2008. Honestly, right wing retards have wiped this fact out of their tiny little brains.

I'm dead serious. CAll the CBO and ask them what the budget deficit was that Obama INHERITED from Bush. Do it.

Here is what they will tell you:

Here is the CBO report from January 9th, 2009. When Bush was still president.


Why don't you read the CBO report?

>CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
>$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf
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>>134153395
That's what a racist would say.
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>>134153392
>It takes a few years or more to see effects of policy, dipshit.

Yeah exactly that's why after 8 years of glorious GOP policies, Bush crashed the economy in the worst Republican Recession since the Great Republican Depression.
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>>134149662
404...
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>>134153534
I already debunked you, using your precious CBO report: >>134153418
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>>134153534
>YOu don't understand the US budget process, and you don't understand that Bush crashed the economy in 2008. Honestly, right wing retards have wiped this fact out of their tiny little brains.
At least you admit you have no argument to make.
>CAll the CBO and ask them what the budget deficit was that Obama INHERITED from Bush
>Obongo dindu nuffin
Keep it coming, I'm sure there's a non-hypocritical argument somewhere...
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>>134153415
I'm white. Way to ruin a saveable compliment
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>>134153392
>revenues which, as you apparently do not know, tend to go up when taxes are cut

Muh tax cats pay for themselves is pure bullshit. We're not on the downward slope of the Laffer Curve.
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>>134153392
>It takes a few years or more to see effects of policy
Obviously it depends on the policy. Policies to incentivize natality will take decades to see the effects. Tax cuts/increases can be pretty immediate.
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>>134153685
That doesn't mean anything. You could be a white guy, who hates white guys. Fucking racist.
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>>134153395
> 15k visas to go towards the jobs that fueled the Obamaeconomy

Based Trump
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>>134153418
>>134153666
No you didn't.

>CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
>$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf

You don't know what fiscal years are do you? Weren't you the one spamming Obama 2008 earlier? You clearly don't know what you're talking about and you're just making it up as you go along.


Here you go. This was you >>134151035

>2008: -458 >>134151035

You see? You thought Obama was president in 2008. You didn't know that FY2009 was Bush's last budget, you didn't know that Bush crashed the economy in 2008.

Answer me this. When is Trump's first FY?
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>>134153685
You are very funny man. Remind me very much of cousin Rajesh. Good man! Keep fighting these idiot white people. We win very soon.
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>>134153076
He didn't address the dotcom bubble, nor did he address the fact that Billy Boy was laying the framework for the greatest economic downfall since the Fed first stirred shit into the economy.
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>>134153685
my pic is better.
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>>134153683
You'll never make the call because you know I'm right, you just want to continue lying to poor right wing retards who don't know better.
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>>134152785
>politifact meter as proof

my sides
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>>134153821
WTF I LOVE CHEAP LABOR FOREIGN WORKERS TAKING AMERICANS JOBS NOW!
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>>134145651
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>>134153872
>still no arguments
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>>134153918
See, I knew you were racist.
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>>134153834
See your whole Indian thing is just projection. Don't hate yourself just because you're brown.
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>>134153600
I must say fiscal responsibility has not been on any conservative party's agenda for a long while executing for goymany who have been running consecutive surpluses and paying down their debt
Shameful,an up cons
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>>134145357
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Obamaleaf do you promise to post proof of shorting the US stock market when Trump tax cuts pass, since it will crash the economy?
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>>134153945
EVery time you post that, I post this.

I win every time.
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>>134154018
I do not hate myself, friend. Brown is winning. India and China soon own all Canada!
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>>134153964
I have nothing but arguments absolutely massacring u shills in this thread.
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>>134145651
>>134145678
>>134145746
none of these answer where it went.

you failed again israel leaf.
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>>134153870
>have no argument
>spend the rest of the thread shitposting

We all know you are butthurt, but at least try to debate Based ObamaLeaf
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>>134153830
>reposting the report
In case you didn't notice, that snip was from the report. So thanks for proving my point that the deficit was Dem's.

Correct. FY2008 was the last budget signed by Bush, since FY2009 was created by Dems and signed by Obama -- or it would have been one third of the deficit, as stated on the CBO report that they didn't presume the continuation of FY2008 levels.
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>>134154123
>still no arguments
>still samefagging
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>>134154067
I would have to see the specifics of what kind is passed. Obviously Trump's entire tax cut plan for the rich, there's no way the GOP would pass it, it would explode the budget deficit. But we'll see. How did Obamacare repeal go btw?
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>>134154123
Why don't you ever save these ones?
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>>134154140
You need to make an argument to refute. None of his positions are tenable, and the academics have already debunked them: http://dataspace.princeton.edu/jspui/bitstream/88435/dsp01zs25xb933/3/603.pdf
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>>134153600
That hit immediately after he took office? How could he have anything to do with it? He hadn't signed hardly anything? How, exactly, is that his fault? If anything, I'd fault him for playing along with Clinton's real-estate shit-babies and getting involved in wars pushed by neocons and neo-liberals alike. I can't even. You live in a perpetual state of cognitive dissonance. You agree with me when its convenient for you, but when you want to hold a president solely responsibly for the debt massed under their administration, you freely do that too. As long as it fits your narrative, amirite? Fuck man. Congratulations. You are either the greatest troll on this board at present or the biggest douche in Toronto. Can't tell which.
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>>134154101
Ok but don't project your brownness onto me ok

As I said I'm proud to be white but these right wing retard billionaire globalist supercucks are a fucking embarrassment to my race.
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>>134154140
Ever since brexit the quality of this board has been falling down with the influx of normies and plebbitfags
There are almost no discussions left here to watch or participate in, it's either traps, blacked whatchagonduwhiteboi threads or communists with the occasional boomerposting thread
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>>134154343
>Already at 66 posts.
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>>134154308
I have yet to see someone proving Obama Leaf wrong.
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DAILY REMINDER THAT ANY """RECOVERY""" UNDER OBONGO IS A MYTH
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>>134154259
Thissss
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>>134154140
>debating Obama leaf
So last year, friendo.
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>>134154435
Get glasses.
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>>134153751
Except where they effect growth. That takes years to play out in the markets. Your immediate effects are mere speculative swings. Nothing more. Nothing less. That is why there is no real substance to this Trump boom and people are still scared enough to hold gold at $1260 an ounce. Try again, Spain-Bacon.
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>>134150870
YOU ARE FAKE NEWS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ooMrgXido
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>>134154189
Again, you're just making things up as you go. You don't understand the US budget process. Every president signs the final appropriations bills of the previous president. Trump signed Obama's final appropriations. FY2017 is still Obama's last budget >>134151898

This CBO report was published BEFORE OBAMA TOOK OFFICE.

Look what it says.

>CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
>$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf

Why don't you call the CBO tmrw and ask them what the deficit was that OBama inherited? You won't do it. You know why. Because you know I'm right. You're afraid of the truth.

FY09 was Bush's last budget. A president can't come in and take over the budget that started 4 months prior.

Obama passed FY2010 in Feb 2009. See >>134152054
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>>134154435
You mean aside from the fact that him saying "the deficit declined under Obama", but the debt doubled, is clearly paradoxical?
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>>134154435
It's never happened. They try so hard everyday and they get btfo every time.
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>>134150364
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>>134154370
And don't forget the relentless blogposting.

Americans think /pol/ is like Tumblr, and they come here to "share their experiences".

God, i wish Trump ends NEt Neutrality and Americans stop having internet, or at least the poor americans.
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>>134154343
You are ally to us. You will be prince of brown Canada when we take over. Based Obamaleaf!
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>>134152266
Rural and suburban retard detected
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>>134154620
The deficit declined by 2/3 under Obama. This is a fact. Why can't you right wing retards ever tell me when was the last time a REpublican ever reduced the budget deficit over their full term? You can never answer.
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>>134154610
Already debunked, try harder. Anons ITT keep proving you wrong, this is getting sad...
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>>134154674
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>>134150538
>Obama
>create jobs (not really)
>double national debt
wow a lot of good that did.
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>>134154661
It's actually quite common, that damn ego simply tells you otherwise.
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>>134154733
>as a percentage
Ouch...
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>>134154532
Lol were you really gone that entire time? Did I blow up your world?

What is this?

12/17/1992: Pres. Bush Signs NAFTA
http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/dec-17-1992-pres-bush-signs-nafta-15205420

How earth shattering was it for you to watch that video? Be honest.
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>>134154516
point out then.

>>134154620
>"the deficit declined under Obama", but the debt doubled, is clearly paradoxical?
>right-wing education

Did you finish highschool? Do you know what is the difference between debt and deficit?
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>>134149821
>when you succeed in trolling /pol/ so hard that you create a name for your self, and can be recognized by one graph and Every single thread you make has at least +200 replies.
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>>134154684
LOL portubro btfo right wing retards
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>>134154715
>whatever Obamaleaf says is true
good job not being a brainwashed leftist for 5 minutes
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>>134154785
you realize in real numbers the decline is similar >>134151101

you retards failed math didn't u? I can tell.
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>>134154733
Deficit declined, but the debt doubled. Totally a logical answer. It's what I'd expect from a racist.
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>>134145357
Not just $10T. Obongo's federal gov't had $30T in revenues over his 8 years. You know the Chapelle's skit where blacks got reparations? Well, Barry spent 40 TRILLION DOLLARS and there's practically nothing to show for it.
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>>134154684
I think it's already too late because they drove out the quality krauts and bongs and the shitposting Aussies with the sick abbo stories.
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>>134154862
What are you even talking about.
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>>134154841
I usually give them this video to help them understand but they never get it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI9jbMxoS8I
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>>134154610
>Call the CBO
>implying the federal government knows what the fuck they are doing
>implying they won't give a scaled statistic to mask excessive graft and corruption
>implying it won't take six weeks for them to send you a response via the heavily subsidized USPS that still can't perform up to standard and hasn't had a greed balance sheet since its inception
wew lad
You sure do have a lot of confidence parroting statistics from people you don't know telling you things you know nothing about
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>>134154610
>Every president signs the final appropriations bills of the previous president
Not necessarily, no. That's only true if Congress delays it. It happens when the president and the senate are from different parties (Bush - Senate 2008... Obama - Senate 2016). Per instance, Bush signed 3 of the 12 bills (ironically, the ones that didn't rise the deficit). Obama signed the other 9 (the ones that tripled the deficit).

>This CBO report was published BEFORE OBAMA TOOK OFFICE.
But with Obama already elected, a Democratic Senate, and the assumption that spending would be increased (as opposed to keeping it at FY2008 levels as proposed by Bush, which would leave the deficit at only 400 billion). It's clearly stated in the report which assumptions they are making, none of which include keeping it at 2008 levels.
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>>134154906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI9jbMxoS8I
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>>134154806
what? just got back.
Clinton signed NAFTA. I just posted the video from the day he did it. How earth shattering is it for you to see Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin?

That's why you should support Trump.
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Jesus man, this guy is fucking autistic. How many people do you have in your basement shilling on your IP? Or do you just make multiple replies to the same post out of pure asshurt? Nice 4Chan pass too faggot
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>>134154971
>>Call the CBO
>>implying the federal government knows what the fuck they are doing

They know a lot better than a bunch of right wing retards on pol who don't know what fiscal years are, who think pizzagate was real, who think Obama was president in 2008, I can go on.


>CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
>$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

When is Trump's first FY? Will a right wing retard please try to answer this simple question.
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>>134154990
Why would I watch that? If it's trying to justify an obvious paradox, then it's clearly not worth watching.
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>>134154862
o'leaf, you're drunk
time to pack it up and go to sleep
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>>134145651
>recovery measures
>less than a trillion in that chart

lmao. Obama printed over $4 trillion in QE alone
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>>134154661
Dude, you get burned almost on the daily. Perhaps you don't notice the friction in your ass due to it being calloused from your poly-amorous girl partner's strap-on.
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>>134154905
That graph refutes your claims. To use your own argument against you:
>Obongo only inherited Bush tax cuts
Sorry, try harder shill-bot.
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>>134154964
They see Obama face in the thumbnail without a trigger warning, so they get all worked up. They can't listen to the Obama hate facts, because it gives them PTSD from the "WORST YEARS OF THEIR LIVES!!!!111!!!1111!!1!"
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>>134145746
>National debt before Obama: $8 Trillion
>National debt after Obama: $19 Trillion

Liberals: It never happened!
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>>134154980
The deficit was already $1.4 TRILLION before Obama signed a thing. Before Obama even took office.

WHY DO YOU KEEP IGNORING THIS FACT?

>CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
>$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf

>(as opposed to keeping it at FY2008 levels as proposed by Bush, which would leave the deficit at only 400 billion).

You don't know what happened to the economy in 2008 do you?

>Bush proposes a budget in FEBRUARY 2008
>The economy crashes in the worst Republican Recession since the GReat Republican Depression

and right wing retards literally don't know that the deficit explodes. Revenues plunge, expenditures explode. How do u retards not know that the economy crashed in 2008? I'm dead serious. >>134153204

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit
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>>134155086
>obvious paradox
This chimpanzee level of thinking is exactly why you should watch it.
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>>134145357
>Where did all that money go
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>>134155086
that's right cuck, stay in your safe space
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>>134154964
Obama reduced Obama's $1.4 trillion deficit* - increased Bush's $400 billion deficit*
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>>134155198
>>National debt before Obama: $8 Trillion
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>>134145357

>stock market bubble
>wurlfurs
>obesity
>china
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>>134151287
It's more funny how you think someone agrees with you.
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>>134154684
Yeah, too bad Obama didn't have his way. We would all be enjoying that cockmeat samich by now... Oh well, good thing we don't have a president who is obsessed with spying on American citizens and regulating the internet anymore.
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>>134155215
>>134155246
I swear leftist are automatic gold medalist in mental gymnastics. This is hilarious. If I increased something, it can't mean that I decreased something at the same time. That would be a contradiction.
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>>134155208
>The deficit was already $1.4 TRILLION
No, sweetie. That's a forecast with the assumption that spending will be increased, instead of kept at FY2008 levels, as clearly stated in the report which you keep reposting but you didn't even bother to read.

Bush's proposal to keep spending at FY2008 levels was post-crash, it's not the February 2008 proposal (both have similar deficit levels, around 400 billion, less than one third of Obama's $1.4 trillion deficit)
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>>134155272
Bush left Obama a $1.4 TRILLION deficit.

Let me try this another way. Let's see if u can get it. The deficit exploded in 2008, not because of legislative changes, but because Bush crashed the economy. Do you know what happens to a budget when Republicans crash the economy?

Did you actually think Obama could come in and cancel the Great Republican Recession? Is this how your retarded little mind works.

If I had my way, this would be mandatory viewing for all right wing retards who are clearly too young or too autistic to remember. >>134148675


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2POembdArVo&feature=youtu.be&t=56 [Remove]

>CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
>$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit
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>>134145651
So Obama and Democrats were fine with Bush's tax cuts.
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>>134155478
The budget deficit decreased by 2/3. Obama reduced it by 2/3.

Why can't you retards ever tell me when was the last time a Republican ever reduced the budget deficit over their full term?
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>>134155282
https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293
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America is like a retarded college kid who takes new loans to pay loans.
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>>134155564
Nah, Obama inherited the results of Bush tax cuts. It was all Bush who did that.
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>>134155080
FY18...starts October 1st
>t. fed accountant
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>>134155564
Because that would be on a graph similar to yours, but since you keep copy pasting about graph posts being pleb, we'll follow your lead and ignore.
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>>134155487
>Bush left Obama a $1.4 TRILLION deficit.
400bn

>deficit exploded in 2008, not because of legislative changes, but because Bush crashed the economy
Not true. It exploded because Dems increased spending with less revenues, instead of lowering spending accordingly, contrary to what Bush proposed. It's your deficit, own it.

>https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf
Yes, good report. It proves what I say. Read it.
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>>134155564
"The budget deficit decreased by 2/3. Obama reduced it by 2/3."
,but the national debt doubled. Once again, you're clearly missing the point.
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>>134155625
bush didnt pass 4 budgets that spent a total of 10 trillion so you cant blame bush for that at all.

obama spent more than bush despite bush having 2 wars.
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>>134155483
>No, sweetie. That's a forecast with the assumption that spending will be increased,

No you know just know that you're lying.

You just got btfo.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf


Here's the rest of the sentence.

B CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP. Enactment of an
economic stimulus package would add to that deficit

This was published Jan, 9th 2009. Who was president? You're too retarded to know.

You got btfo.

What FY is Trump's first budget?
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Obamaleaf sits in front of his computer all day waiting for a thread about the economy to pop up on /pol/ and then starts spamming about the (((recovery))) while people watch their neighborhoods go to shit and their livelihoods spiral the drain
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>>134149618
Its the 'severe dellusions of grandeur' Candadian
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>>134155676
I did read it. Many times. I've been posting it for months. You got btfo >>134155733
and now you're denying facts and reality.

No you know just know that you're lying.

You just got btfo.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf


Here's the rest of the sentence.

B CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP. Enactment of an
economic stimulus package would add to that deficit

This was published Jan, 9th 2009. Who was president? You're too retarded to know.

You got btfo.

What FY is Trump's first budget?


Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit


Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit


Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

FY2009 >>134151213
this kills the retard
>>
>all you're doing is posting graphs
>all you're doing is posting links
>all you're doing is posting
K
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>>134155769
I'm just having fun with him at this point. I stopped sageing the thread, because it just keep getting more entertaining, with every new player on the field.
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>>134155478
> If I increased something, it can't mean that I decreased something at the same time.
Debt and deficit aren't the same thing, dipshit. If you're running deficits, that's going to still increase the national debt, even if you're cutting the deficit.
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>>134155769
Actually I just wanted to post a few graphs and then look how hard I trigger these GOP shills. They come at me full blast, hungry to get btfo and massacred by me. It's quite strange.
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>>134155208
>Bush
>Conservative
Pick one. Bush was about as conservative as Clinton. God damn. Pushing DNC establishment propaganda is about as bad as pushing GOP propaganda, even if it is slightly more self-aggrandizing. Both are neo-cons.
Also, you can't blame Bush for Fannie and Freddie which are the root cause of the 2008 meltdown. Those were Clinton Babies that should have been in the dumpster right next to all of the other aborted fetuses that used to come out of his secretaries.
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>>134155733
Oh man this is so cool is this the infamous obama leaf? Go rake yourself.
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>>134155904
So you were pretending to be retarded.
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>>134155717
>>134155717
Congress passes the budget, but the'yve been passing continuing resolutions since FY2010 since no one can agree on anything. Barry ran up the debt to $19T, but he SPENT $40T because the federal gov't had $30T in revenues over his 8 years. 40 TRILLION FUCKING DOLLARS!!!
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>>134155733
I get that you are not smart enough to read the methodology, but the assumption for the calculus of a 1.2 trillion deficit is that spending will be increased BUT at the moment government is functioning with FY2008 levels (Bush's post-crash proposal). Since Dems jacked up spending instead of keeping it at 2008 levels, the deficit tripled. Obama gleefully signed it into law.
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>>134155888
>If you're running deficits, that's going to still increase the national debt, even if you're cutting the deficit
Though at an increased rate? You do see the faulty logic here right? Bush jacked up the deficit too, so I'm not defending him, but you just can't justify the mental gymnastics you're playing.
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>>134155676
>if i keep repeating lies they will become truth

Show me your sources.

https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293
>It's a little misleading to hold Obama (or any other president) accountable for the deficit incurred during his first year of office. That's because the previous administration already set the federal budget for that fiscal year.

This was the first google search result
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>>134156018
You can tell exactly when the GOP shills detected me. >>134149618


>>134149464
>>134149466
>>134149510

It was peaceful till they showed up.
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>>134155904
>it's weird when I get called out for being a retard
>very strange how people I disagree with are always shills
>very strange
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>>134148563
Kol how dyou even do that pictograph its halirious
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>>134156094
>>It's a little misleading to hold Obama (or any other president) accountable for the deficit incurred during his first year of office. That's because the previous administration already set the federal budget for that fiscal year.
This didn't happen in 2009. Already explained above.
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>>134156130
>Stop calling me out for my bullshit.
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>>134155904
>few graphs
Hahaha you're like a fucking crack addict, at least you have spared us the "Obama leave out" loop you usually get stuck in.

I'm sure you start with it so though.
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>>134155478
I'm arguing against them and I'm in their camp on this one. You are retarded. Debt=total debt. A budget deficit is a rate at which that debt is accrued. Please go away and stop voting please.
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>>134148592
Young Weezy money baby I mean Lil Weezy whatsit wADAP
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>>134155847
Now you are just repeating yourself like a schizoid case. You spam a report whose methodology proves me right.
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...and we're at the post limit! Thanks for coming ladies and gentlemen, hope you enjoyed watching this autistic leaf shitpost the same thing for over an hour and a half. See you next time on National Shillographic!
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>>134156070
Holy shit you're full blown retarded. How the fuck can the government operate at FY2008 levels when Republicans just crashed the economy? You have no clue how any of this works. Do you know that when the economy crashes, expenditures go up, and revenues go down? You literally don't know this.

AAHAHAHAHAHA the economy is on the brink of a Great Depression, surely the budget will be just like FY2008. That's your logic.

The budget deficit was $1.4 TRILLION BEFORE Obama took office. That's the budget deficit Bush left OBama.

That's a fact.

You know why you wont' call the CBO tmrw to ask them? Because you KNOW I'm right. You're just bullshitting because you're a paid GOP shill paid to lie.

EVen the fucking CATO institute agrees with me.

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

FY2009 >>134151213 (You)
this kills the retard

'https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf


Here's the rest of the sentence.

B CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP. Enactment of an
economic stimulus package would add to that deficit

This was published Jan, 9th 2009. Who was president? You're too retarded to know.
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>>134153615
don't copy/paste the period, genius.
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>>134150073
Um who said we like Dubya
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>>134156090
You can google search "president USA debt increase percentage" you fucking dipshit retard.

Get an education son, but you probably aren't the sharpest tool in the shed
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>>134156090
Look at how the goalposts have shifted. You go from saying it's impossible for the deficit to decrease while debt increases, and now you're saying it's impossible to increase the debt exponentially. Bravo.

You apparently fail to understand that the federal government is collecting more revenue as time goes on, which means they can spend more and more money. The US government has a lot more money today than they did 100 years ago. Unsurprisingly debt is going to exponentially increase.
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>here's the rest of the sentence
Please cuck me.
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>>134156094
yep he's a liar. he knows he's a liar. thx portubro

this is a paid shill paid to lie >>134156192

Let's not forget this is the retard who thought obama was president in 2008.

>2008: -458 >>134151035

He doesn't know that Bush crashed the economy in 2008. He doesn't know this affects the budget. He also didn't learn what a fiscal year was until I educated him in this thread. He just makes things up as he goes along.

FY2009 look at that screenshot >>134151213
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>>134156265
No you're not. You're playing the same mental gymnastics they are, and wondering why you're confused.
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>>134148437
>saving your (you)s

Do I have to call you pathetic or did you figure that out already?
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>>134156192
you just got btfo by portubro
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>>134156370
what the fuck nigger, bush got it all from clinton, then obama just made it worse
and now you have justin trudeau giving the clinton foundation money
lets see you try and defend that, faggot leaf
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>>134156411
Republicans always have to dindu their presidencies when they're done. That's what a disaster Republicans are.
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>>134156370
>I don't fully understand how shit works and am spastically repeating myself.
Going to look this up in my psychology book later see if I can find what's wrong with you
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>>134156370
It worked for several months, sweetie. It worked until March and it could have kept going. How does it work? There's less revenues and less spending, they go hand in hand. On the other hand, if you increase spending, then you need to incur in debt because revenues are still low. That's what Dems did. Own it.

>You know why you wont' call the CBO tmrw to ask them?
Because CBO already states what I said in their report, and I posted the screencap: >>134153418
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>>134156520
>too dumb to understand the difference between deficit and debt
>"HURR DURR DA LEBDISDS N DEM MANTAL GIMENASETIKES AMIRITE GUISE?!?!?"
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>>134156455
Revenues are going down relative to population, planned entitlement spending growth, and interest payments. If anything, they will have an even smaller window to play in. They only have operating cash flow to get to October. That doesn't sound like a government with healthy revenue growth to me.
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>>134148563
the thing that really leggos my eggos is that this was over the space of a month
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this is going to be a good one, wait for it...
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>>134156660
>he doesn't know that the economy was crashing in 2008
>he doesn't know that when there is a massive recession, deficits go up

"it worked till march"

holy shit you're fucking retarded bro you basically just admitted it

If I had my way, this would be mandatory viewing for all right wing retards who are clearly too young or too autistic to remember. >>134148675


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2POembdArVo&feature=youtu.be&t=56 [Embed]

portubro debunked u with 1 google search >>134156094


Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit
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>>134156777
a few months actually if u look closely
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>>134156602
Examples? I know no one who defends any egregious acts by republicans. It's niggers and libpukes who will defends Obama until they die
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>>134156777
search for his pics in the archives it's staggering the amount of time he spends here repeating the same bullshit.

ttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/PmTkFdIyMavF6513kpVqXg/
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>>134156563
Not really, I already explained why 2009 was different in one of the first posts.

>>134156502
>he's a liar
... says the guy who keeps spamming a report that proves him wrong.

>thought obama was president in 2008
FY2008 was the last budget that Bush had a hand on. FY2009 was purposefully delayed to Dems could jack up spending.

>Bush crashed the economy in 2008
With his own hands? Laughable.

>He doesn't know this affects the budget
It reduced revenue. So you reduce spending (Bush post-crash proposal). Or increase spending (what Dems did) and thus increase debt (the point of this thread).

>He also didn't learn what a fiscal year was until I educated him in this thread
Not really, I already explained how FY2009 was different in earlier posts.
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>>134156821
well then please explain our record 182 BILLION DOLLAR budget surplus in April, after TRUMP was in office, canacuck
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>>134156629
2 simple questions right wing retards refused to answer in this thread.


1. When was the last time a republican president ever reduced the budget deficit over their full term.

2. When is Trump's first FY budget?

These aren't trick questions. Very simple. You retards can't do it.
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>>134156502
Stop saying it was Bush. We get it, He helped. But it wasn't just him. It wasn't any one of them. It was one neocon after another after another plus historically low interest rates lasting an unprecedented period of time paid off by quantitative easing that continued through 3 fed chairpersons. For the love of fuck, stop framing facts that fit your agenda while excluding the vast majority of relevant information.
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>>134156455
I didn't move the goal post at all. Nor did I say this "and now you're saying it's impossible to increase the debt exponentially". You're just being silly to justify a failing argument. If you doubled the debt, but the previous pres didn't, that means saying that he "reduced the deficit" is a faulty argument. I don't care enough to dig into it, but I suspect you're coming out with this illogical conclusion by excluding discretionary spending.
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>>134156969
LOL AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

check the year

Govt pretty much always has monthly budget surpluses in April because of tax receipts.

Jesus christ u retards are dumb.
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>>134145746
>here, look at this outdated, proven-bullshit image
>here, read this walking buzfeed-tier author on a WSJ website
Every fucking time.
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>>134156821
>he doesn't know that the economy was crashing in 2008
... and that's why they used FY2008 until March 2009. That's the point.

>he doesn't know that when there is a massive recession, deficits go up
If you increase spending. If you reduce spending accordingly, deficit doesn't triple. That's how you go from 400bn to 1.4tn
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>>134156969
You mean the year still using Obama's budget? Lmao.
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>>134156957
oh i have, i know the depth of the autism

>>134156849
but thats wrong, dont try to church it up. unless you mean searching filenames on archives? then the results are in the thousands...
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>>134156973
1.) presidents don't balance the budget
2.) president don't pass the budget

I'm simple terms the president drives the car he doesn't build it.
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>>134156973
When was the last time an actual conservative was at the helm of the GOP? Oh yeah, not since it was conceived.
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>>134157062
yeah but Donald Trump is my motherfuckin president, I don't give a fuck what your graphs say, clearly 182 billion is a whole lot more than 157 billion
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>>134157172
>You mean the year still using Obama's budget? Lmao.
quiet tard, im talkin to faggotleaf
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>>134150829
I REALLY hope you make alot money, because when someone says "Its extremely to get..." or "quacktually" I start tuning out
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>>134156960
Omfg you're so fucking retarded it's beyond words. Reduce spending in the middle of a Republican Great Depression? When people lose their jobs, they go on unemployment insurance. You absolute fucking moron. Multiply this by millions of people. Revenues GO DOWN. EXPENSES GO UP. You have no fucking clue what happens to a budget in a recession. You have proven your retardation beyond words.

I gave you the CBO report from when bush was president YOU MORON.

I gave you the video clip of the report Obama got on the economy BEFORE he was president.

You've embarrassed yourself. EXPENDITURES GO UP in a recession. WITHOUT LEGISLATION. YOU RETARD. THIS IS BASIC HIGH SCHOOL KNOWLEDGE WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU????????????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2POembdArVo&feature=youtu.be&t=56 [Embed]

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

FY2009 >>134151213 (You) (You)
this kills the retard

'https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/111th-congress-2009-2010/reports/01-07-outlook.pdf


Here's the rest of the sentence.

B CBO projects that the deficit this year will total
$1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP. Enactment of an
economic stimulus package would add to that deficit

This was published Jan, 9th 2009. Who was president? You're too retarded to know.
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>>134157326
You are just posting the same links again.
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>>134157122
Deficit triples because the tax revenue drops like iron in water

>>134157241
>no true scotsman

Reagan was the epitome of conservatorism and he tripled the debt iirc
>>
Obama's first budget was FY2010 >>134152054

Retards deny this fact of reality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget
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>>134157438
Read what I typed u retard. Watch the clip u retard.
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>>134157454
dude are you fucking kidding me obama was elected in 2008
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>>134157055
How is it an illogical conclusion when I'm concluding that based off of the fucking numbers?

Here's the federal deficit: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD

And here's the federal debt: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEBTN

You're now looking at two actual graphs and saying this is apparently impossible. Clearly you are wrong by default. I was just being nice and explaining to you why your thinking is flawed, but you're apparently too fucking stupid to understand why.
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>>134156265
>>134157241
,also for this reason I consider you only mildly more tolerable than them. You're playing the same kind of "twist things till they fit me" game they are, just on the other side of the coin.
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It's over.

Obama came into office "with a $1.3 trillion deficit before I had passed any law. ... We came in with $8 trillion worth of debt over the next decade."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/29/barack-obama/obama-inherited-deficits-bush-administration/

TRUE

Obama Leaf Wins Again
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>>134157326
>repeating the same shut over and over again not realizing he's already been btfoed

You've been vanquished, leaf, accept it he has throughly devastated your anus.
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>>134157566
More like Obama leaf lost again.
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>>134157280
Still an open discussion and I'm definitely going to call out stupid shit when I see it. Go to a safespace if you want to have a private conversation with him, dipshit.
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>>134157532
And he only took office in 2009, you know, like Trump. Trump was elected in 2016 but he only took office in 2017.

>Americans need foreigners to school them in their own political system
>and this is happening in a board about politics
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>>134157448
honestly his retardation is beyond words. his logic is that obama should have come in and canceled the recession. I can't even believe people as retarded as him exist. It is shocking. I am in shock


>>134157326

>>134157454
>>134157566
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>>134157326
You are now arguing the Keynesian recipe for recessions, even though Keynesianism was debunked decades ago.

To the point: No, increasing spending isn't the only solution to recessions. But at least you changed your tune:
Before:
>IT WAS BUSH'S BUDGET
Now:
>IT WAS DEM'S BUDGET BUT WHAT DID YOU WANT THEM TO DO? IT WAS A RECESSION!

>Here's the rest of the sentence.
That's not "the rest of the sentence". They are in different parts of the report. You post the conclusions, and I explained the methodology.
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>>134157566
yay we win everybody can quit trolling that fucking retard now
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>>134157055
Dude, if anything this would be exclusively discretionary spending since non-discretionary spending isn't determined by the budget year/year but by entitlement growth. You can't cut non-discretionary spending, dipshit. Its not at your discretion. JAYSUS! Just stop. You are using words you don't understand.
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>>134157546
That doesn't "prove" anything. There's numerous ways they can alter their accounting to come out with those kinds of numbers. Not too much unlike how the CBO was called out for faulty job numbers.
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>>134157598
>>134157621

I won. As I always do. >>134157326
>>134157677


Obama came into office "with a $1.3 trillion deficit before I had passed any law. ... We came in with $8 trillion worth of debt over the next decade."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/29/barack-obama/obama-inherited-deficits-bush-administration/

TRUE

Obama Leaf Wins Again
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>>134157630
>>134157663
do you think anybody is dumb enough to actually believe that? this is /pol/, not /nigger/ or /obamaleaf/
>>
>>134157663
I like how you ignored the explanation of how FY2009 was different, with the six-month provision and the 3/12 bills et all.
>>
>>134157720
opps you did actually get me there. I meant it the other way around.
>>
>still playing the schizoid Leaf's semantic games
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>>134157693
It was Bush's budget. I never changed. You missed the critical part.

>>

When people lose their jobs, they go on unemployment insurance. You absolute fucking moron. Multiply this by millions of people. Revenues GO DOWN. EXPENSES GO UP. You have no fucking clue what happens to a budget in a recession. You have proven your retardation beyond words.

I gave you the CBO report from when bush was president YOU MORON.

I gave you the video clip of the report Obama got on the economy BEFORE he was president.

You've embarrassed yourself. EXPENDITURES GO UP in a recession. WITHOUT LEGISLATION. YOU RETARD. THIS IS BASIC HIGH SCHOOL KNOWLEDGE WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU????????????


Obama came into office "with a $1.3 trillion deficit before I had passed any law. ... We came in with $8 trillion worth of debt over the next decade."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/29/barack-obama/obama-inherited-deficits-bush-administration/

TRUE

Obama Leaf Wins Again
>>
Debate this leaf.
>(You) spouting right wing retards and stuff like "BTFO" over and over again which have nothing to do with any argument, ever and is the worst form of fallacy
>people arguing with him barely doing that at all
Gee I wonder which is more likely to be shitposting? Hmm I wonder.
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>>134157663
they don't know that the incoming president inherits the previous president's budget >>134151213

>>134152213
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obamaleaf, im really glad i was able to be a part of your thread and give your life meaning.
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>>134157677
/pol/tards look like those spoiled children that hate their mother for some reason, and the mother does everything for them.

I wish my country came out 1/5th as good from the crisis when compared to americans
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>>134157825
Obama came into office "with a $1.3 trillion deficit before I had passed any law. ... We came in with $8 trillion worth of debt over the next decade."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/29/barack-obama/obama-inherited-deficits-bush-administration/

TRUE

Obama Leaf Wins Again
>>
Im just against war in the middle east, (waste of money) which both dems. and rep. are guilty of. Oh-and gifting money to Israhell is another.
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>>134157738
Yes, it proves you're wrong. Now you have to pretend the numbers aren't real because you don't want to admit how much a fucking moron you are. That's quite honestly pathetic.

>Not too much unlike how the CBO was called out for faulty job numbers
I honestly hope you're either a troll or somebody who won't reproduce so you don't pollute this world. The CBO doesn't produce job numbers. The BLS does.
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>>134157878
lol
>>
>>134157743
You lost, as you always do.
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>>134157743
>my pic say different
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>>134157930
>>Not too much unlike how the CBO was called out for faulty job numbers


lol did he say that? Holy shit the retards in this thread.

They need to do their homework.

cbo.gov

bls.gov
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>>134157554
The only fallacy I am guilty of today is "No True Scotsman", but thanks. There is a difference between debt and deficit. One is related to a budget, the other is the result of said budget. Go and look the two up. They are completely different. Fuck, why am I bothering? You don't even know what discretionary spending is... Thats apparent by your use of the phrase. Don't repeat everything you hear on TV there Chucky.
>>
>>134157823
Nobody was in disagreement that the crisis caused revenues to go down. However, the decision to increase spending instead of reducing it or keeping it at 2008 levels (like they had done until March) -- and thus cause a 1.4 tn deficit -- was Dem's decision. Because they increased spending, and revenues were lower, they needed to increase the debt (the question of this thread).
>>
>>134157916
>Obama came into office "with a $1.3 trillion deficit before I had passed any law. ... We came in with $8 trillion worth of debt over the next decade."
ok so how did his $8trillion dollar deficit turn into $9 trillion? A trillion dollars is a whole lot
>>
>>134157930
https://www.cbo.gov/topics/employment-and-labor-markets
Yes they do in fact, and they're often quoted by the media.
>>
>>134157993
Lol. Your obsession with me cracks me up. When will you tell me how u get paid to dedicate yourself to me?
>>
>>134158024
Yes. That kid honestly has straight downs. I wonder what other insightful economic knowledge he'll explain to us next. Maybe he'll say unemployment is actually 42 percent.
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>>134157448
His rhetoric was conservative. His policy, however, was not. Same thing with Obama being the "Peace Candidate". Good catch on the NTS fallacy though. Already called myself out in a subsequent post.
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>>134158037
>he doesn't know that spending goes up in a recession


Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

Obama came into office "with a $1.3 trillion deficit before I had passed any law. ... We came in with $8 trillion worth of debt over the next decade."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/29/barack-obama/obama-inherited-deficits-bush-administration/

TRUE

Obama Leaf Wins Again

>>134157326

Omfg you're so fucking retarded it's beyond words. Reduce spending in the middle of a Republican Great Depression? When people lose their jobs, they go on unemployment insurance. You absolute fucking moron. Multiply this by millions of people. Revenues GO DOWN. EXPENSES GO UP. You have no fucking clue what happens to a budget in a recession. You have proven your retardation beyond words.

I gave you the CBO report from when bush was president YOU MORON.

I gave you the video clip of the report Obama got on the economy BEFORE he was president.

You've embarrassed yourself. EXPENDITURES GO UP in a recession. WITHOUT LEGISLATION. YOU RETARD. THIS IS BASIC HIGH SCHOOL KNOWLEDGE WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU????????????
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>>134158134
>104 post by this id
Look who's talking.
>>
>>134158182
>His rhetoric was conservative. His policy, however, was not.
Says alot about conservatorism
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>>134158123
>gets their data from BLS

What were their faulty job numbers? Please do explain in your own words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np40ayMJI1Y
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>>134158123
These are analyses and projections of the numbers. The CBO itself does not produce the job statistics.
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>>134158166
>>134158024
This is why it's mildly disgusting when foreigners try to speak about American politics.
>>134158123
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>>134158134
Your conspiracy theories about me are equally humorous.
>>
>>134158250
He shows up every time I post. I don't follow him around. He follows me around. Cmon now keep up.
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>>134158296
>Huffington Post
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>>134158224
>spending goes up in a recession
Spending always goes up, recession or not. You mean that deficit goes up, IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING. That's the key point: there's a crash, you do something about it. Bush proposed to go back to FY2008 levels. Dems didn't want that, so they delayed (keeping FY2008 until March, worked fine) and got Obama in to sign increased spending (not even FY2009 levels, that would have been 800 bn accounting for lost revenues).
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>>134158351
I love how you are now capping posts by right wing retards about me. Are you in love with me?
>>
>>134158357
Because you are so easy to spot, might as well have a bullseye on you.
>>
>>134152479
>The right wing was to blame for the dropping of value of the USD
>Not the fucking Jew Brothers and their property bubble bursting

Its easy to look good when you start your term at rock bottom.

Fuck off.
>>
>>134158389
It's clips of Trump speaking. What is wrong with u retards? Do u ever leave your safe space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np40ayMJI1Y [Embed]
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>>134157630
Lol
>>
>>134157566
Obama and the democrats voted for those bank bailouts. Why defend his shit?
>>
>>134158299
It's all interconnected. You're just pretending it's not because you don't know anything about American politics.
>>
>>134158416
>Bush proposed to go back to FY2008 levels.

No he didn't. The deficit was already $1.4 TRILLION when BUSH WAS STILL PRESIDENT.


Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit
https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

Obama came into office "with a $1.3 trillion deficit before I had passed any law. ... We came in with $8 trillion worth of debt over the next decade."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/29/barack-obama/obama-inherited-deficits-bush-administration/
>>
>>134158357
I was at work most of this day, it's not my fault your easy to find and never leaf.

>get it leaf, lol.
>>
>>134158264
Not really. If you are implying something, you are implying it about Liberalism as well, since Obama lied more times about Peace alone than Reagan had opportunities to lie. People do that all the time in politics. Its called "lying". Politicians are especially prone to it. Reagan was a shithead actor who stole Ron Paul's platform as a means to achieve fame. Other than that, he was pretty much a neocon.
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>>134158458
Says the guy who saves any compliment about himself.
>>134158498
I know there is more than that, also, is it impossible for you to not say retard.
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