How fucking stupid is he?

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Hes basically saying "Okay, the 22 million Americans using Obamacare will lose their coverage because of my ego"

Most of them are in conservative states to lawl...

>>134096511

Do you know what a gambit is?

>>134096511
>when he constantly shits on them
What time line are you in?

>>134096511
i'm sure if you just make a few more angry threads drumpf is getting impeached. keep it up

>>134096511
>stupid
It's the same thing every president does, how young are you?
>something doesn't work
>blame the other party

Republicans did the same thing to Obama.
The difference is Trump is not afraid of utilizing the bully pulpit.
Dems will not have an easy time I'm 2018 midterms if every week from now until then Trump hammers them on social media for being obstructionist.
You may not like it but that's politics for yah.

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>>134096739
It's something you do when you don't have any other choice. Tricks and cons, is that all he has?

>>134096871
He's been so kind to his enemies and opponents, he hasn't even called any of them cunts to their faces yet!

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Reagan worked with a democrat congress that hated him, Trump will too.

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>>134096511
No one cares what you nigger loving, islam enabling seditious cocksuckers do. If you opt to kill yourselves, then I'd be happy to drop everything I'm doing to provide as much assistance as I possibly can.

>>134096511
Slide thread. You have to go back.

>>134096511
>really believe the democrats would ever do ANYTHING he asks when he constantly shits on them?
proof that democrats are spiteful bratty little children.

the u.s. gov't is about all voices.
not sandbox arguments.

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>>134096711
>Hes basically saying

pic related is the truth about when you hear people say this phrase or the phrase "so youre saying"

>>134097023
>>134097062
>we voted for a non-politician who will bring change!
>oh he's doing what every president does it's fine
Fuck. You.

>>134097023
In this case it's right. Republicans never voted for Obamacare. In fact, knowing there would be no republican support, the democrats focused all their lies on their own party. "you get to keep your doctor" "you will save $2500 a year!" etc. And republicnas have been winning elections ever since...on the promise of repeal. Which they have failed to deliver on because they are pussies when it comes to fear of being abused by the media.

>>134097321
>proof that democrats are spiteful bratty little children.
Do you not remember what the last 8 years were like? Have you not heard Trump whine and bitch and complain about how unfair he has it?

>>134097414

>You should freak out and jump on the hate bandwagon like everyone else when the POTUS does X when he promised Y


Eat. Shit. You. Stupid. Child.

>>134097168
>trump wants a much nigger navy

what did he mean by this?

>>134097605
wtf I trust people that always say one thing and then do another now

>>134096511
Republicans have no reason to continue subsidizing Obamacare which means it is slowly dying if no one intervenes.

So Democrats are truly interested in seeing anything happen with healthcare so that they can prevent Obamacare from failing, since if it fails on its own then it's entirely on the Democrats.

Trump has been eager to paint this as an issue that he wants to see bipartisan support for fixing due to foreseeing that collapse coming. Which will probably work at least somewhat.

Democrats wanted to paint any attempt to fix Obamacare (repealing and replacing) as being Trumpcare, that way any problems it had would be entirely on Trump. They're painting themselves into a corner by not wanting to participate in the watered down repeal and replace bill.

The Democrats could have at least attempted to show some effort of bipartisan support and instead are gambling on being completely obstructionist which means it won't be viewed as Trump's fault that Obamacare continues to collapse.

Trump needs to drain the swamp within the GOP.

>>134097605
I'd say it's pretty justified if he consistently fails to deliver promises and then blames everyone else. Still waiting for crooked Hillary to be locked up.

>>134097523
He does have it unfair, he gets attacked from all sides for every little thing he does

Does plenty good and nobody reports on it, that is genuine adversity

It's a good thing. When obamacare collapses every democrat will look completely incompetent for knowingly leading the country into this mess.

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I take over the World when I'm on my Donald Trump shit
Look at all this money, ain't that some shit
We gonna take over the World while these haters gettin' mad

>>134097853
>Republicans have no reason to continue subsidizing Obamacare which means it is slowly dying if no one intervenes.
Sad thing here is, Republican Governors have gotten too used to the money they get for Medicaid expansion under Obamacare. They're fucking sellouts.

>>134097985
They'll blame it on Trump for not repealing it. They already are. I know, it makes no sense, but they already are.

>>134096511
The bill failed because it was organized to fail on purpose: had to show the RINO's and rightist progressives there's nothing there for them to give their fellow Democrats. Full repeal is now the only option.

>>134097970
>He does have it unfair
He is the President of the United States of America.

>>134097970
>makes everyone his enemy
>wonders why they attack him
His entire campaign and persona have been based on talking shit with no filters, why wouldn't they hate him?

>>134098097
>Full repeal is now the only option.
Can't get a majority for that either.

>>134096511
Goddamn republican pussies. Term limits for senators, when?

>>134096511

Its almost like its their job to work with him in service of the people rather then nurse their butt-hurt.

>>134096711
>lawl
>...
How can we ban all these redditors?

And yes, people who depend on healthcare should lose it.
Try eating less chocolate cookies, you fat fucks.

>>134096711

Hes playing it smart. Obamacare is already fucked and all everyone wants to do is bitch about any solution put forward. So if no one wants to put work in hell just let it collapse so they have no choice.

>>134096511
If they actually cared about this country and its people instead of just holding their offices, they would.

>>134098395
>Try eating less chocolate cookies, you fat fucks.
Why even capitalism now? If I wanted to be a scrawny fuck eating beans, I'd be Venezuelan.

>>134098231

that's what the whips are for. They got whip up some votes, threaten to cut off campaign cash, swear to go they'll primary their asses.

Capito is vulnerable. First termer. They need to cut her off from Joe Manchin.

Trump should try to buttfuck their states via executive orders, too.

- oh look... this grant goes bye bye
- oh look... I'm fucking Maine lobster exports
- oh look... I just fucked your state. Good luck explaining that to your constituents.

>>134098606
Or you could get fit so you don't depend on healthcare, you lazy bastards.

>>134098231
Yeah, 3 cunts have already came out and said they will not vote for a full repeal before Bitch McConnel even came out today and mentioned full repeal. Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and Shelly Capito. Women ruin EVERYTHING.

Collins in Maine is annoying. They should should fuck Maine in the ass.

Kid Rock will probably win in Michigan. GOP may pick up Senate seats.

Trump won without Maine.

Time to embargo their asses like North Korea. Fuck over Maine.

>>134096511
>all the democrats
Is this not the main reason why the obamacare repeal failed?

>>134098664
>Or you could get fit so you don't depend on healthcare, you lazy bastards.
Again, you advertise overconsumption, people obey, you blame the proles for overconsuming.
Seriously, get fucked.

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What is Trump going to win at next, /pol/?

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Trump is a jew

>>134098781
If you unironically start eating garbage because of advertising then you deserve to die from diabetes.

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US Congress Loves Obamacare and Socialism. If they wanted to fix things they would pass this one sentence bill:

"Notwithstanding any other provision in state or federal law, a person who presents themselves while uninsured to any provider of a medical good or service shall not be charged a price greater than that which Medicare pays for the same drug, device, service or combination thereof."

>>134097707
Niggers can't swim

Murkowski... Alaska
Collins... Maine
Capito... West Virginia

How can you fuck over Alaska and Maine into submission.

Trump has to go Emperor on the Senators who resist.

Maine can be fucked freely.
Alaska is riskier but they have fewer electoral votes.

>>134096711

i still don't understand why faggots like you keep equating medicare and medicaid to obamacare.

22 million people are not on obamacare exchanges. part of the bill was to expand coverage under the current medicare/medicaid law. that's how the con worked, that's what everyone is saying in the media. but its not obamacare.

obamacare forcibly uses the government, through taxes, to synthetically skew the odds when it comes to insurers giving coverage so it can pay for its medicare expansion. its a sad bureaucratic shortcut bandaid to single payer. its not supposed to work. its supposed to fail to then shift everyone onto medicare. which would then be the equivelant to single payer. the problem is that the federal government cannot even fund medicare right now without borrowing billions of dollars.

the republicans cannot get rid of the obamacare taxes b/c they need them even if they removed medicare entirely. no one wants to move either way and be accused of destroying gibs.

>>134098768
Republicans have a majority in the senate with 52. They need 50 to pass their legislation.

You aren't going to get a Democrat to vote for the petty orange manchild's attempts to destroy Obama's legacy so that means they need to focus exclusively on their side of the senate.

>>134098869
>If you unironically start eating garbage because of advertising then you deserve to die from diabetes.
Why not just take your money and not die?

HAHAHAHAHAHA trump can't do shit and is making the GOP look even more inept and ipotent

>>134098606
capitalism is survival of the fittest not the fattest

>>134098843
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>134096511

Republicans better be careful. If Dems get power back in Congress, Trump is going to work with them.

Dems usually don't have to worry about passing bills that do mass damage to all but the very wealthy.

Like anybody who ever thought they would see ANY infrastructure spending under a GOP Congress is fucking high. Trump would do that with Democrats.

>>134098035
Your rap sucks and you should feel bad

>>134098699
HAHAHHAHAHHAA get fucked women piss you off so much ya shitlord

>>134098843
>>134099152

Most of that has been done through executive order.

He's also going to repeal DACA around the 2018 elections for political gain. POCs are gonna chimp out, driving whites to the polls against them.

>>134097853

Obamacare isn't dying though. That's just a bullshit lie. If it sticks around Governors will take steps to strengthen it, not weaken it.

>>134098699

Women always undermine and subvert the right.

The GOP needs to smack these bitches around via legislation. Trump can fuck over their states via executive orders and how money gets doled out.

1) Maine... fuck them over on trade deals. Fuck over their seafood.

2) raise the price of food in Alaska... fuck 'em.

Time to go Roman on the Republic.

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>>134099529
>Obamacare isn't dying though

>>134099153
Because it encourages fat people.
Fat people need to die.

>>134099445
> I have no idea how the government operates dot com

>>134099625
>Making war on the United States
>Making America Great Again
pick one

>>134099625
>Trump can fuck over their states via executive orders and how money gets doled out.
That seems like a wise idea. Voters love getting fucked over by their president when he's in their party.

>>134099025
It's almost as if the entire system is a shell game for shekels when it would be relatively easy to govern if you just did what's best for the people

>>134099648
>Because it encourages fat people.
>Fat people need to die.
They will. So will fit people.

>>134099529
Obamacare depends on subsidies which have to be renewed and/or expanded.

>>134098843
he did what he said he would. he "worked with" congress and nothing came of it.

he cannot force congress to pass laws but they are doing a good job of convincing people that a real dictatorship is the only way to solve the country's problems.

>>134099319

They're not. They live by identity politics and die by identity politics.

They won't work with Trump and he won't work with them.

They want him gone. POCs hate Trump... the Muslims and Mexicans will never forgive him.

These aren't the Democrats from the 1980s, 1990s, or even the early 2000s.

Trump is living in the past if he thinks the Kamala Harris's of the DNC will work with him. They want his complete surrender.

The biggest problem is all the cuck faggot former Democrats who got kicked out by minorities.

>>134099874
>Guys, just because he's a Master Negotiator doesn't mean he can get anyone to come to the table or get any deals made. Lay off the man!

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>>134099529

its been collapsing since it was implemented, its just dying off slowly, some states don't even have an obamacare exchange anymore. most doctors will not take on obamacare patients. You can tell yourself it isn't collapsing but the entire point of obamacare is not the exchanges, its the taxes. the taxes that fund the massive entitlement increase to medicare. the exchanges were supposed to be the "gift" to the insurance companies. but its a fucking joke, so now we're just stuck with higher premiums and a bunch of extra shit the insurers must cover eeven though 90% of the US will never use any of it.

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I like to think he just says that to placate the "bipartisanship" faggots. He of all people should know you can't work with dems. It's simply time to use the gluttonous federal government they created to undermine our constitution, that we somehow managed to wrestle from their grip, to SLAUGHTER them and subjugate the survivors! We can no longer make careless and partial use of the power we accumulate. Our enemies don't hesitate, that's for sure.

Conservatives and lolbertarians seem to think we can "dial back" this monster. Impossible. They'll just put it right back into place the next time we let down our guard down.

>>134099737

yes. We're in a cold civil war. Time to win it.

Old practices work. Starve out Maine and Alaska.

"Muh constituents will lose their Obamacare."

Too bad. They're going to keep their Obamacare but the price of bread will double. So be it.

>>134099943
>POCs hate Trump... the Muslims and Mexicans will never forgive him.
this is retarded and false. I guarantee that you are not a POC so maybe you shouldn't speak for other people.

Ever notice how Washington DC is like 80% black but for the inauguration they had to bus in a bunch of white people to protest and the protesters were ALL white.

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>>134096711
>22 million Americans using Obamacare will lose their coverage

It's amazing how almost twice as many people will lose Obamacare coverage than even signed up through the exchanges!

Trump must literally be a time traveling wizard! (Or you're just another lying kike puppet shill. I supposed that's more realistic than time lords. Damn Jews ruin everything...)

>>134100116
Yeah, Cold Civil War, and the enemies of the right are in Alaska and Maine.
>0/Edge

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>>134096511
he's basically putting the Spotlight on Dems. If he really wanted to get mileage out of that tweet he would simple tweet "I want a Repeal only bill immediately!"

>>134100021
This is bullshit most of the red states these people are in cannot fucking get OBamacare anyway. I am in VA and Im poor as fuck I CANT EVEN GET IT.

>>134096511
>by Democrats
but the GOP literally holds every card in the deck and on top of that has had multiple years to have a repeal and replace bill ready to go the second they took the presidency.

This is completely on them

>>134100139

The POCs hate Trump. The blacks, the Mexicans, the Muslims, the pakis... they all hate Trump with the exception of some Cubans, non-black protestant POCs.

All the POCs who are going to run for office or are in office as hardcore SJWs... they're not gonna work with Trump.

- congressional black caucus... no
- latino caucus... no

They are his enemies, the sooner he realizes it... the better.

>>134099648
So much this! Get rekt fat fucks

GOP spent the last 6 years of Obama's administration letting fuck all through Congress, now they have simply forgotten how to pass anything except debt ceiling increases. The institution has atrophied by disuse.

>>134100026
He feigns bipartisanship, lets the democrats and cuckservatives cockblock something, and then gets to use this to say "see, I tried to get everyone to work together, but these people aren't willing". He's setting himself up as the good guy and making the libs/cucks look bad.

This whole thing is bullshit. It should just be fucking repealed ASAP
>b-b-but muh 10 million obongocare enrollees!!!
People always make this argument, but forget that they were never supposed to have healthcare to begin with, and they were only given healthcare a few years ago when ACA was implemented. And to prop up those 10 million enrollees, everyone ELSE is being forced to pay out the ass for them. Yet, we have this bullshit sentiment in our gov't that once an entitlement is given, it can NEVER be taken away. Fuck that shit.

>>134096511
He will push single payer. Dems will be forced to jump on or be exposed as unprincipled partisan scum.

>>134100599
>300 lb. 70 year old President
>hates fat fucks
kek'd and chek'd

>>134100293

The Senators won't bend. Time to make an example out of them.

more ideas...

- close some military bases... move them
- close some rural airports
- slow down any road or bridge construction

>>134100739
single-payer is a dogshit idea in America. We have a big enough problem with welfare niggers as it is.

>>134100739
nobody wants single payer except liberals

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>>134096511
>drump is so stoopid
>also I'm sure he outmanoeuvred everyone and took over the USA using secret leet hacking

which is it?

>>134100739
>Implement medical socialism on conservative ticket
>somehow this shows that Dems are unprincipled
It's getting funny in here

>>134100739
>He will push single payer
No he won't. That was conspiracy behind Obamacare..."make something that will fail so we can implement a single payer system". Probably true too.

Here's another deal. Maine and Alaska would be immensely affected by any trade deals involving CANADA.

NAFTA

Trump should pull out and then... renegotiate but this time in a way that Alaska and Maine end up eating shit.

>>134097853

I come to /pol/ solely for this kind of cognitive dissonance

>>134096511
Democrats and Republicans are pretty much the exact same. They work together to make up our current Neo-liberal regime that has run the country since 1933

>>134098179
Then why do Democrats do this to every Republican even the ones decent to them?

He was going to be attacked regardless

>>134097853
>So Democrats are truly interested in seeing anything happen with healthcare so that they can prevent Obamacare from failing, since if it fails on its own then it's entirely on the Democrats.


Coup0le of points:

Obamacare was DESIGNED to fail. They did not have the votes to get what they wanted, government run health care. So they designed a stop gap that cannot work for long -- when it collapsed, they were supposed to have Hillary in place to go "Well, we have no choice left but for the government to take over." Demoicrats do not mind Obamacare failing -- what they cannot have is it being replaced by something better.

As to who would own it -- I'm not sure how that will play out. It may depend on how bad the collapse is. But thre GOP had a chance to repeal it, to replace it or to fix it. They couldnt get their shit together -- the party in congress is too fragmented, and the President phoned in his support from photo-ops in Paris instead of "art of the dealing" the shit out of it, working congressmen, making deals -- all the stuff that he sold as his core strength.

One thing we can be sure of -- when it fails, the news stories will not be about how it is the Democrat's fault.

>>134097970

>does plenty good

Um, what?

>>134100739
>>134100918
Trump already pushed for universal insurance and the Democrats rejected it

Now that I think about it. Trump could use NAFTA renegotiations to get Collins and Murkowski to capitulate.

He can fuck them over via NAFTA and trade deals.

>>134100678
It's the leadership. With faggots like Ryan, Graham, McCain etc setting the agenda no wonder nothing gets done. The only thing we can hope is Dems don't regain control before the "alt-right" alliance of Libertarian/Ancap/Natsoc/WhiteNats/Nats/ Constitutionalists gains enough political clout to depose, tar and feather these treacherous cucks.

>>134100918
Except every time they have proposed it, Vermont, Colorado, and California they have nixed the idea after seeing the price tag. With single payer, EVERYBODY has to pay, not just the rich. It can't work any other way. people want free medical care, and they want somebody else to pay it. Not them.

>>134101368
>Trump already pushed for universal insurance and the Democrats rejected it
Paul Ryan is The Democrats now?

>>134100583
Ah, that flag with the knowledge of what ALL people of any group dislike or like. What a fucking dipshit, go stick yourself in the oven.

>>134097062
Why would anyone base their midterm votes on Trump tweets?

>neocucks can't pass a fucking law depspite screaming about it for 8 years
>conservative voters see them for what they are
>Neocucks get displaced by pro-Trump congressmen and senators
They thought they could just delay the agenda by being kikey

>>134096711

Those 22 million didn't want to pay for it.

>>134101455
That's why it,s usually call public healthcare, not free healthcare.
California nixed it due to intense corporate lobbying.

>>134101438
>It's the leadership. With faggots like Ryan, Graham, McCain etc setting the agenda no wonder nothing gets done.
All those guys were in Congress back in the wheelin' dealin' days. It's the Freedom Cockus that arrested all movement and Pepe is completely on the outside looking in with fuck all to do with anything.

>>134101041
>.."make something that will fail so we can implement a single payer system". Probably true too.
It absolutely is true. It all stems from the fact that in a welfare nanny state, anyone who takes ANYTHING away NO MATTER WHAT looks bad and becomes unpopular. They deliberately set these things up so that no social programs can ever be dialed back.

Look at what's happening right now. Most people want Obamacare gone. Yet you see fucktons (perhaps vocal minorities) screaming BUT MUH 10-20 MILLION ENROLLEES WHO WILL LOSE HEALTHCARE!!! YOU FUCKING MONSTER!!!
They do all this on purpose, because nobody ever wants to be the one to take an entitlement away after it's been given. They know this is the case, and it's why the leftists purposefully made obamacare designed to fail, so that people would HAVE to implement single payer.

The alternative is to just let the entire thing and the entire (((insurance industry))) collapse on itself, and then restart from scratch.

>>134097944
This one surprises me. When he didn;t proceed against her upon taking office, I guessed he was saving that as a "stivck" to threaten the Ds with if they started coming after him on scandals like the Russia shit.

But he's retreated into playing defense, instead of going on the offensive, to an extent that I did not see coming at all.

Given his tough persona, I would have expected him to appoint a special counsel to look into the Clinton Foundation and another to look into the DNC... and keep after the other side pretty ruthlessly until they backed off.

>>134096511

Ironically, Trump (as a Democrat turned Republican) he could've broken the Washington gridlock. He just made it worse

>>134098035
Shut up, meg.

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>>134096511

>he constantly shits on them?

Besides poking fun at Pelosi and Warren, he only shits on them for obstructing, though. As he should. It's a shitty thing to do that actually does great harm to the country.

>inb4 republicans did it too!

It's still a shitty thing to do as opposed to coming together to make new policies. Besides, republicans only obstructed to stuff that bordered on being unconstitutional. Dems don't even bother to show up for fucking confirmation hearings for our Department of Defense.

>>134096511
>Does he really believe the democrats would ever do ANYTHING he asks
>implying they have a choice
>implying it's not an olive branch to stop them from going down Hillary's path and into cell 2-B (or not 2-B)
>implying that isn't the question

>>134097970
>He does have it unfair, he gets attacked from all sides for every little thing he does

It's almost as if when you run a attack-based attack, you should expect to be attacked.

>>134096711
So fucking what they lose it? they had none 8 years ago and lived


healthcare is NOT a right

>>134096511
>One thing we can be sure of -- when it fails, the news stories will not be about how it is the Democrat's fault.

For the media it can't fail though. They have to claim it is working as long as the law doesn't change, but for the people it is obviously already failed.

Even though it has already failed for the American people it has not failed for the insurance companies, drug companies, doctors, etc, YET. But it will.

That is what Trump is saying. Your pork is going to go rancid unless you make your people compromise with me.

Trump is right. They will fold when their money people start to feel the pinch.

>>134098271
Terms are limited now. You can only serve 6 years unless voters in your state like what you are doing enough to send you back.

>>134101843
>>implying it's not an olive branch to stop them from going down Hillary's path and into cell 2-B (or not 2-B)
>>implying that isn't the question
Are you from the timeline where they Locked Her Up? Because this isn't that one.

>>134101901
>checks flag
WTF

>>134101612
>California nixed it due to intense corporate lobbying.
No. They nixed it when they saw the price tag. Over 400 billion, Corporations didn't even have any thing to do with it.

>>134096511
Cases like this also perfectly exemplify the failings of democracy, vis-a-vis the "party" system.

Theoretically, having multiple sides/parties represented is supposed to force people to work together and compromise to find the best solution for the majority. But that's not how team-based politics actually work.

Let's say you have an example like this, where the leading party wants to work with the opposition party to get something done. The opposition will refuse, even if it's something that is unambiguously good for the country, because they'd be allowing the opponents to get things done. And if the opponents get things done, the opponents are the ones who get the credit, popularity, and reelection. So the opposition will always cockblock, even when it doesn't make any rational sense.

>>134101368
Trump could push for seizing the means of production and they would oppose it just because it was Trump who mentioned it.

>>134098455
That would be a more defensible stand if he had been seen putting the work in to build a coalition, makes deals, and pass a bill, instead of going off to eat blue lobsters on the Eiffel Tower.

He might not have succeeded, but he should have at least been seen trying. Should have been dramatic lines of Biog Black Limos full of leaders from Congress, doctors, patient advocates, who-the-Hell-ever, pulling through the White House gates to sit with the President and work on a deal.

There is still a narrow window too do that, though if they want to get tax reform done they need to move on to that pretty fucking soon.

If we wind up with no Congressional action on any of Trumps OR any of the mainstream GOP's key issues, we are not going to like what happens in 2018.

>>134102381
I'm hoping the plan is to sit back, let the cuckservatives led by Paul Ryanberg look weak and pathetic, and then later on swoop in and do things his way.

Getting rid of the cuckservatives is arguably more important than getting rid of the democrats

>>134101632
>wheelin dealin

With who? Republicans can do whatever they fucking want now. The problem is the kiked leadership introduces "Obama-Care Lite" crap. We The People voted for REPEAL. There was nothing of value in that law worth preserving.

The only "wheelin and dealin" they do is with our tax dollars, our freedoms, our future and the patience of the people who elected them.

>>134098611
If they decide to do all this now for full repeal, then I'd concede that you read their strategy right and this was a 4-D chess all along.

But I don't see it happening yet, and time is short.

If the President stays as detached from building a plan as he was with the plan that just died, then the expnation is different.

Maybe the media has succeeded in getting him into bunker mentality over Russia (it has to be a concern to him that his children may be in legal jeopardy now) or just too busy chasing the "Every Thing Trump Says Is The Worst Thing Ever" laser-dot on the carpet that he can;t do what he wants to do. Or maybe he just sucks at this. Or maybe there is some other explanation.

But if he lets this session go without fixing or repealing Obamacare, and stays similarly disinterested on tax reform, then a huge opportunity for America and the GOP will have been wasted.

>>134098843
...end DACA? stop h1-b abuse??

lol j/k !!

>>134098664
>I haz a cancer
>No worries, I'll cut back on cookies.

>>134096511
>not knowing Republicans are the same. As democrats.
Literally the same and only party.

Give the guy a break, man. He's lived a sheltered life. He's used to people doing whatever he says. In his mind everyone's his butler or maid.

>>134099152
>You aren't going to get a Democrat to vote for the petty orange manchild's attempts to destroy Obama's legacy so that means they need to focus exclusively on their side of the senate.

While this is pretty spot-on accurate, it might have been worth a try for the King of the Deal to make an effort there.

Hell, the Dems have, from time to time, peeled off one of our guys and gotten him to switch parties in past congresses.

We seem to suck at that.

>>134102748
It's clearly more important. We still can't implement our agenda because of traitors in our own party. It's also more realistic. There will always be enough niggers, spics and women for there to be a democrat party, feckless as it may be. On the other hand, the base of these cuckservatives despise them, it's just difficult to mount a proper primary opposition and nobody is dumb enough to vote democrat instead.

>>134101329

But Obamacare was a republican design?

>>134098395
>How can we ban all these redditors?
Perma-ban anyone who has a Reddit cookie.

>>134099319
>If Dems get power back in Congress, Trump is going to work with them.

He might want to -- but have you noticed how they all get overrun with impotent rage if his name is mentioned within a 4 block radius?

I would not count on many of them working with him.

I might or might not be possible to build individual coalitions on individual issues and bills.

He should be doing that now.

>>134096711

>insurance is healthcare

Fuck off kike. What's the point of being insured and dying in the streets because the conditions for becoming a doctor are now so terrible that you have to import Indians to fill in the gap.

>>134099625
This is what he should have been doing all along -- though on a less obviously vengeful level. You gotta "carrot and stick" these things.

Need Maine's Senator? What can you do that Maine needs, to be done right after the vote. Need Alaska's senator? What other bill does he care about where you can give him a hand, or kill it if he gets fractious?

It's basic wheeling and dealing -- supposedly the President's strong suit.

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>>134099798
Thanks to denial, I'm immortal!

>>134099874
>he did what he said he would. he "worked with" congress

He didn't, though. He tweeted a cou0ple of times from AF1 on the way to France. He had a couple of his guys make a statement.

He did not do what he is good at -- get them around a table and start hammering out points.

>>134100829
Rural airports are typically privately or city/county owned. Roads and bridge construction are county/state(with some federal funding but not enough to halt construction). Even the interstates are the responsibility of the state.

>>134099943
>the Muslims and Mexicans will never forgive him

Don't know many Muslims, but legal Mexicans here seem to be about as OK with him as anybody else.

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>>134102298
He could say that multiculturalism is good and cures aids and he wants to open the borders and they'd advocate for a white ethnostate

Lol @ captcha

>>134100388

did you mean to respond to me or are you having trouble reading?

>>134100678
It passed the house, though. Ryan did OK there.

The Senate is a fucking mess.

Hell, I'll even say McConnell did about as much as he could. But the hard "full repeal or nothing" guys would not accept most of what they wanted, so are getting none of what they wanted. The Lolbertarian fringe didn't get all of what they wanted, so now are getting none of it.

Trump was right in the campaign when he said "The Republicans have forgotten how to win." He was supposed to show us how, but he seems to have forgotten to do it.

>>134100726
>Yet, we have this bullshit sentiment in our gov't that once an entitlement is given, it can NEVER be taken away.

It goes WAY beyond a sentiment in the Government.

You ever give a cat treats? Give him treats a few times, and every time you walk in the room, you are either giving his ass more treats or he is whining and begging and demanding that you give him treats. It is almost impossible to stop giving treats, he'll make you fucking miserable until you do -- because the world hs been changed since the time before you gave him a treat -- this is now a world where he gets treats, by Divine Right, and it's not a treat now, anyway, it's what Kitty is supposed to have.

Government entitlement programs are the same way, only the cat has lobbyists and activists to help him meow louder and more constantly.

>>134104606
Ryan is still a complete faggot regardless.

But yes, the senate is far more cancerous. Fewer seats and longer terms means each politician is "worth" much more than house seats. Both houses are full of shills, but the senate is FAR more kiked-out than the houes, for this very reason. It's actually possible for a fairly ordinary guy to win a house election. But the senate? You're not getting anywhere unless you kiss the star-of-david ring

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>>134100739
>He will threaten to throw the Dems in the briar patch. Oh, how they will moan and lament this dire turn of events.

>>134100918
I want it, and I am not liberal.

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>>134101612
>That's why it,s usually call public healthcare, not free healthcare.

It is almost always called "free health care" (or tuition, or whatever else the left wants to "give" you) because people are stupid and believe they can be given free thigns by the government.

>>134096511
He's playing perception,retard. Now nobody can say he didn't try to work with the democrats and the controlled opposition republicans and can proceed to fuck their shit up with extreme prejudice.
Rhetoric 101.

>>134096711
>conservative states want obamacare repealed
>somehow think you know whats best for them

>>134105519
>because people are stupid and believe they can be given free thigns by the government.
It's basicaly the reason the left exists at all.

>>134096511
Ya they will, you fucking bitch boy. You watch they'll be slobbering all over trumps nob once ONIGGERS failed ONIGGERCARE falls and the American people blame the DEMNIGGERS. This is sealing a win for the right

>>134101901
>healthcare is NOT a right
More pertinent to the argument, healthcare is not equal to health insurance, nor is it only healthcare if somebody else pays for it.

We had a fairly clumsy system to provide health care through emergency rooms for those who could not afford it any other way.

Fixing that to make sense would have been fairly straight forward, then make coverage portable when you changed jobs, allow interstate competition and do a touch of tort reform -- then you have everybody a bit better off and still getting the healthcare they want.

Or we could just make is a gubmint program, those always work well.

May God protect you from ever having to get your health care through the system the government runs now through the VA.

>>134096711
i hope every single 'person' on obamacare dies. the country would be better off with them dead.

>>134096711
You're a fucking idiot, the only people with Obamacare are poor useless idiots that didn't have health insurance before, the premiums just skyrocketed for normal human people. Who fucking cares if parasites lose their insurance
T. work for insurance on the east coast

>>134102748
Do you think Trump can get more done with a Democrat congress? I think that's delusional.

>>134096511
44d chess

>>134105519
No.. It's only called that in the USA.
We know we're paying into our system.
It sucks, but yours sucks way more.

>>134105961
I don't understand why Trump doesn't just declare it open on season on all nigs, spics and dems.

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>>134102789
>Republicans can do whatever they fucking want now.

They do not all want the same thing. And, unlike Democrats, we suck at winning incrementally. Going back to the "Jesse Helms" era, we've taught or =ur voters that winning half a loaf now and getting the other half later is an evil compromise with the Devil -- and when we can;t get exactly what we want, we let the Dems have exactly ehat THEY want and get nothing.

Dems mastered the art of taking an inch, then another, then another, until they have what they want. Every little victory is accepted, then they retool for the next fight.

Republicans need to learn that -- otherwise, as in this Healthcare fiasco, we block each other from any of us getting anything -- and Obama's law, not even modified, is still the law of the land.

>>134103171
>Literally the same and only party.
Ask me how I know you've never been involved in politics.

>>134106060
>what are primaries
think before you post, retard

>>134103443
No. Some of the initial elements in it were lifted from Romney's package in Massachusetts. The end product is full of all sorts of budget-disaster bells and whistles.

>>134106589
R vs D is a false dichotomy. Mittens was just as much of a corporate shill as Obama.

>>134105567
>Now nobody can say he didn't try to work with the democrats

Everybody can say that because he didn't try to work with anybody -- he didn't do work at all. A couple of tweets between trips to Europe is not working.

>>134106033
>the only people with Obamacare are poor useless idiots that didn't have health insurance before
So, mostly republicans? Well, at least they'll have their dying wish of sticking it to the nigger.

>>134106842
Trump literally wrote the entire bill himself you shill and had expert advisers from both sides of the political aisle helping him.

>>134106199
You may have politicians slightly moire honest than we have.

That sets the bar fairly low, though.

>>134097791
>GoP congress fails to put a bill on the presidents deks
>Lets attack trump like its his fault
God liberals are worse than jews at this point.

>>134107207

This.

>Wow Drumpfy's bill is so bad it will KILL 30 gormillion
>Haha Drumpfy failed! Now let's get Republicans to hate him

Fuck off.

>>134099943
Fucking reddit posters. Learn to format, you stand out like a flaming homo.

>>134106510
Oh, gotcha.

The issue there is going to be candidate recruitment, and a very active Trump PAC to support the chosen candidates.

And then getting them through in the general, but most districts are sufficiently gerrymandered now that this should be doable.

The thing to watch for there will be -- does the Trump team invest time and resources getting challengers in place for GOP office holders who balked at his programs? Or do they stay focused on fighting with the press and each other?

If the former, they could indeed give him the Congress he needs to get some shit done.

You'll know if you start seeing candidates cropping up in the next few months, with photo-ops with the President in their press release and shit like that.

>>134107207
I see a ton of boomer normalfags doing this shit too and complaining that Trump isn't doing a good enough job with healthcare reform.
So many people still don't fucking understand that we don't have a one-branch government where the president gets to decide literally everything.

>>134103633
>What's the point of being insured and dying in the streets because the conditions for becoming a doctor are now so terrible that you have to import Indians to fill in the gap.
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>134106757
Be that as it may. I was repsonding to a furriner who posted the erroneous view that Obamacare was crafted by the GOP. It used elements of a plan pushed by one GOP governor, but not all the bill came from Romney's plan, nor were GOP legislators allowed to even read it before it was completed and ready for a vote.

>>134107465
I'm really hoping Trump throw his weight behind whoever challenges Ryan in his primary in 2018. The only reason Trump backed Ryan last year was obviously because of backroom deals, along the lines of "if I endorse you, will you support me and stop taking every opportunity you can to shit on me?"

Of course, Ryan broke that and kept shitting on Trump afterwards anyway, so I hope Trump remembers this and unleashes hell next year.

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>>134096511
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>>134107687
Though fighting a civil war while barbarians are inside your fortress is not always the best use of time.

>>134107687
Donald
>I will teach them how to win
Trump

>>134103443
>But Obamacare was a republican design?

Defenders of Obamacare essentially use a Motte and Bailey defense.

On one hand, they'll attack Republicans for criticizing it by saying it's a Republican design to have an exchange where private insurers can sell their packages.

On the other hand when seriously pressed as to Obamacare's failing, they'll admit it's mostly Medicaid expansions which isn't something meant to be used by the entire population as it isn't economically feasible.

It's why if you simply don't subsidize Medicaid and the exchange that the whole system collapses under its own weight. Most are indifferent to talk about expanding Medicaid because it's been talked about to death, so if the topic is moved to whether or not to continue subsidies then the Democrats will lose.

>>134098843
Thank you for helping to Correct the Record. $0.05 has been deposited in your good goy account.

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>>134096511
>Democrats wont work with Republicans
>but Republicans will backstab eachother and work with Democrats