Lets settle this once and for all. Who is to blame?

those fucking beady eyed anglo scum i hate them so much give me back my empire nigel

>>134083153
you are to blame because you won't do anything about it, faggot.

Austria-Hungary to be honest. You can't have a trillion ethnicities in your country and not expect chimping out, and then once it inevitably happens, you don't make an unreasonable ransom list that expires in a couple days. Serbia's innocent of Princip, Russia was defending Serbia and had to mobilize, Germany had a defensive alliance, France as well, and UK had to keep Belgium safe. None of that matters anyways, the kikes are our main issue now.

I blame Germany.
When you don't know who to blame, you can always blame it all on Germany.

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It was Germany. They were egging on AH to seek a military solution instead of diplomatic the entire time. Germany was also causing all the tension in Europe by randomly getting involved in affairs that didn't affect them, like the Moroccan crises in which the Kaiser went there in person and proclaimed that he would save Morocco from the French even though Germany had no interests there, causing a diplomatic crisis.

>>134083153

>France for wanting revenge, always butthurt, wanting Alsace-Lorraine, giving Russia the OK for war, Poincarré extreme anti-German hater and butthurt to the max
>Russia for pan-slav idea, wanted to extent territory, wanted straights, already planned for war ~1917, just started sooner than expected, mobilized first when "mobilization means war" at that time
>Britain needed to crush Germany's economy, similar to France, both got BTFO'd hard by Germany's industrial strength, Navy already waiting and ready to blockade, could have simply given a notice to France and Russia saying "we won't join the war" and the other two would have backed the fuck off
>Austria Hungary for being a multi ethnic shithole and going full retard against Serbia. For them, it was do or die anyway, the empire would have crumbled with war
>Germany for... well they mobilized last, were the fastest and initiated a first strike through Belgium, that was necessary when you have to fight on two fronts. They could have said "fuck off" to Austria in order to get them to back off but would be a stupid move when you are surrounded by 3-4 possible enemies. You don't tell "piss off" to your only ally in that situation
>Italy being a shitty ally and going full "ital ital" again, being opportunistic as fuck

In the end Germany had it all, strongest economy, deal with the Ottomans for epic railway including resources and oil (which became very very important for Britain due to ships switching from coal to oil and increasing range x5), also railway meant much faster resource and troop transport to asia compared to Britain. With peace, Germany would have BTFO'd them all through economic strength, trade deals and access to resources (were allowed like 20 miles next to the bagdad railway to get all the resources there, massive oil field to be found in the future).

It was basically a must for Britain, France and Russia to go to war against Germany to not drift into economic insignificance.

>>134085326

In addition, the Jews were pro German as fuck so the US was also not in an anti German stance. Some minor diplomatic schemes were not as relevant as many point them out to be, it was mostly about economy, just like WW2 and nearly every other war since WW1. Taking/stealing markets, crushing economies etc.

Germany should have slowed down their Ship production though, while Britain can not play world police and dictate how many ships another country is allowed to have, it was still a stupid move by Germany. In the end, Germany should have focused even more on it, especially submarines, in order to bleed the Island dry during war, which they nearly succeded already anyway.

>>134083153
Russia. They decided to protect an irrelevant country like Serbia just to spite the Austrians and expected a European war with Germany as the outcome. The Russo-French alliance is what started WW1. Russia was the first to mobilize and the German ambassador begged them to stop.

>>134083153
Austria dindu nuffin

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>>134083153
austria

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>>134083153
>blaming an entire nation for the will of their ruling classes and one autistic Serb

It's the nazis fault.

>>134087355
Serbia was funding terrorism for decades though.

Jews should be the only answer

Germany shouldn't have gone beyond the NGF. Prussia snatching the southern German states really upset the balance of power.

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>>134083153
Britain for sure. There was no need to escalate what was just an extended Franco-Prussian war part II into a world war. Also allies were objectively the baddies in wwi.

>>134083153
Serbia.

Fucking gangster uncivilised ex-turkostate.

>>134083153

The eternal anglo - the biggest enemy of the white race and western culture - playing their (((useful idiot))) since the late 19th century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8OmxI2AYV8&t=268s

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>>134084365
>anglo

>>134083153
Jews

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>>134084365
>Anglo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otD52qwC9xw

>>134084365
> to seek a military solution instead of diplomatic the entire time
Maybe because your foreign minister made a group of "non-involved nations" and invited
>Germany
>France
>Italy
>GB
It's to be noted that Italy was against Austria here, cause they didn't want them to gain more influence in the region.
So really GB made a "Neutral" group with 3 entente powers, who were anti Austria and Germany. Gee, I wonder why they weren't cooperative

>>134087583
>Balance of Power
You mean the concept devised by the British to keep rule over the rest of the world?

>>134088023
At least they managed to keep stability.

Every time you became powerful you ruined it for the entire European race and indeed the entire world.

>>134087952
What the fuck kind of excuse is that?
Face it, the german emperor was a major autist and taught germany could beat France and Russia is a fairly short war without England getting involved and turning the whole thing in the largest war known to man at that point. Sort of simmiular to how ww2 went.

>>134087609
>allies were objectively the baddies in WWI
this desu, the end of monarchies on mainland Europe was possibly the worst event in recent history.

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>>134088023
>When Germany gets power

>>134088406
Bullshit, the allies were objectivley the good guys. If the germans hadn't sperget out and started the war the monarchies would still be around. Not to mention, Russia could have been a constitutional monarchy or democracy it Germany hadn't sent Lenin over.

>>134088395
Yeah, why wouldn't a country be into a deal that is basically 3 to 1 against the interests of their ally.
Especially if you know, that one of those people negotiating hate your guts and the other two are on its side.

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/The_Czech_Conspiracy-George_Lane_Fox-Pitt_Rivers-1938-102pgs-POL.pdf
nothing personel kid

>>134083153
You're missing the french flag
It is 100% fault if the French and English

>>134088508
>Plunging Europe into decades of religious war
You mean the war, that was fought almost entirely on German soil by basically all major power because they wanted power and that cost Germans 1/3 of their population? You mean that protestantism that was happily taken over by the British?
>Karl Marx
You mean the guy who was prosecuted and silenced in Germany and sought in Britain publishing his ideas there?
>Wilhelm II.
>declared the First World War
That is just plain wrong.

>>134088743
Because the alternative is to start a world war wich you will probably loose, and all of that for what? not even german land.
Serbia's sittuation was just a pretext, Germany just wanted to throw it's weight around. Not the fault of the german people of course, since Bismark for example would have been againts something so stupid, but you shouldn't defend what Germany did.

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>>134084365
>It's Germany's fault for telling their vassel that they should find a military solution to a dispute on their own clay
Go fuck yourself scum

>>134087609
>Also allies were objectively the baddies in wwi

How were they not in WWII as well?

>>134088664
Then we can blame the French and Americans, considering they started this anti monarchy stance.

Fuck them!

>>134088989
Fuck off coward.

>>134088998
You won in the end, Europe is yours and we just know you're having a lot of fun destroying it. We're not going to stop you a third time, enjoy it! Enjoy destroying historic European nations, enjoy flooding them with rape and nigs. Enjoy it, it's what you've always wanted and by Christ you've got it! You've got what you've always wanted.

Every European nation to be as shit as yours is. Well done Hanz ibn Heinz Ketchup al Jihad bin Al Qaeda bin Sausages. You won!

>>134089135
MUH HERRY!!!!!

>>134088664
Yeah we “send“ Lenin over

>>134088664
>the allies were objectivley the good guys
>the monarchies would still be around

You mean the allies, completely subverted by (((democracy))) and (((central banking))) already? The ones pushing for liberalism since 1700? They were objectively the good guys? Fkn lmao.

>Germany hadn't sent Lenin over.
Germany? I hope you mean the chief of German intelligence, and wealthy Banker Max (((Warburg))), who's brother gave the Idea for the Federal Reserve, who later owned the IG Farben is generally known for being one of the big war profiteers. Also one supporting the Bolshevik revolution like his capitalist counterpart in the US, Jacob (((Schiff)))? I wonder (((who))) could be behind the scheme of sending (((Lenin))).

Newfags like you really need to be cleansed.

>>134087355
Rothschilds paid the black hand
You are responsible

>>134089135
Hmmm they demanded the dismantling of a neighbouring state whose government had no connection to the terrorist who shot Franz Ferdinand, hardly their own territory

>>134083153
>Austria
They knew the Serbs wouldn't accept their ultimatum because it was unreasonable but went ahead anyway.

>>134088664
>germans started WWI

literally what

>>134089221
>coward
Make sense you Anglo cuck

>>134089135
> a dispute on their own clay
no, it was on Serbian land

>>134089253

Also don't forget that Princip, the assassin, met with (((Trostky))) in Lausanne/Switzerland. The kikes/commies/money lenders had their hand everywhere. The money lenders made sure to crush the monarchies, conquer markets, enslave the people with bought and paid for democracy.

>>134089298
He's a MUH HERRYTAGE Ameridiabetes, what did you honestly expect?

>>134089384
Coward German scum, die like your ancestors. We killed them, we'll kill you too! Easily, sharter.

>>134089298
>Mainland Europe
>Any business of the English
If you had shut your gob and just let the people deal with their own problems your empire would still never have the sun set upon it

>>134089321
But Serbs accepted their ultimatum.

>>134083153
Germans

>>134089391
>Serbian clay
>Not defacto Austria-Hungsry clay in denial
>>134089441
>You killed my ancestors
Not in that war you didn't, all my family was in America by the 1840's
And you didn't kill shit in that war, you mostly did the dying not the killing

>>134089298
>whose government had no connection to the terrorist who shot Franz Ferdinand

Fkn Lmao. High ranking Black Hand members were also high ranking members in the Serbian government. This shit is known since 1925.

>>134089478
>Mainland Europe
>>Any business of the English

>Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia
>Any business of the Amerimexicanos
If you had shut your gob and just let the people deal their own problems your empire would still never have the sun set upon it

>>134089478
It wouldn't have been our business if Germany hadn't consistently been provoking us and the French

>>134089252
>Yeah we “send“ Lenin over
That's literally what happened.
>>134089253
>You mean the allies, completely subverted by (((democracy))) and (((central banking))) already? The ones pushing for liberalism since 1700? They were objectively the good guys? Fkn lmao.
Yes, they were at leas better than germany since they didn't weaken Europe and it's monarchies with a world war.

>Germany? I hope you mean the chief of German intelligence
Yes, so germany. If he was a kike that's not really an excuse.

>>134089364
That's literally what happened. Who else do you think started it?

>>134089654
I killed and raped your entire lineage you anglo bitch slag. You're my whore now! I own you, I own your whore women too.

You die slow painful death for me, your daddy. You little bitch.

>>134089655
That doesn't mean the government authorised the assassination

>>134089654
>Not defacto Austria-Hungsry clay in denial
So you admit the germans started the war and got what they deserved.

>>134089441
>MUH HERRYTAGE
By that definition so are you since no single European can confidently say that they have any realtion to anyone before The Great War as you're all cucks

>>134087867
No gratitude after we intervened in the greatest war in history just to protect Belgium

the western incest pol of royalties and the masons

>>134083153
the jews and the serbs

>>134089750
>Yes, they were at leas better than germany since they didn't weaken Europe and it's monarchies with a world war.

The Allies, the democracies, the ones who finally wanted to destroy the monarchies, were the good guys because for some arbitrary reason I cant put my finger on I just blame another monarchy for weakening the monarchies.

On how many layers of mental gymnastics are you on? You know so little about the topic at hand that you should go fuck yourself and never come back.

>>134089845
Is this supposed to be an argument relevant at all? When half your government is also a secret society planning terrorist acts for several years already, assassinating people left and right, it is literally unimportant of the remaining, non terrorist members of the government knew about this.

And while the government might not have authorized the assassination, they still crawled into the ass of Russia and taking a "we dindu nuffin" stance thinking all will go well as long as I trust Russia to fuck everybody else up.

>>134083153
England

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>>134089675
We are the world superpower
You were not
>>134089707
Kek such bullshit. You provoked that war along with the frogs because you were butthurt that they were showing both of you up on the world stage and you couldn't stand becoming irrelevant
>>134089758
How's your daughter Wesley? Hamid making sure she's on the pill first?
>>134089992
No they did not

>>134090530
>we provoked the war
It wasn't us who was building up our army and navy, putting all our neighbours on alert, and starting pointless diplomatic crises to test the resolve of the Entente

>>134090359
>The Allies, the democracies
Russia was not a democracy, and would still be a monarchy is it weren't for the war, same thing with Germany probably, thus spearing eastern europe of communism.
>just blame another monarchy for weakening the monarchies
But that's what germany did, they started the war, do you deny this?
>On how many layers of mental gymnastics are you on?
I should ask you this. Germany is cancer.

>>134090703
>It wasn't us who was building up our army and navy,

>t. lets ignore reality

Right, britain not building up their army/navy when they literally have the policy to have a certain ratio of ships compared to #2. Britain dindu. I can see how that narrative works if you ignore reality.

>inb4 see, we were forced to rearm.

>>134089478
I don't think you understand the dynamics involved in creating the empire in the first place. Balance and antagonism on the continent was needed to ensure specific powers did not dominate. Historically this has always been the standard line of British diplomacy.

>>134090933
Well we were forced to rearm since Germany started a naval race which threatened our national security. Having a strong navy wasn't essential for German independence, while the navy for us was literally our life support.

Meanwhile we had an army of around 700,000 before the war while Germany had around 4,200,000

>>134090776
>they started the war

You are a person that blames the start of WW1 on literally one country... why would anyone actually think you are worth listening to? I repeat myself, you have literally no clue what you are talking about and barely even know the memes of WW1.

>Germany is cancer.
Whoa you really must have an unbiased view about everything, glad we have such great discussion partners contributing magnificent facts from the 2nd world.

>>134089675
Lmao silly Anglo, we do still have that empire though. Sure we don't have Cuba or the Phillipines, but we kept all the other territories and have military bases around the world, your country included. Thanks for sharing Nigel :)

>>134091104
>Well we were forced to

Of course this is the answer, always the other is to blame. You are just like like a woman, never your own fault.

>which threatened our national security.
Yeah this is the propaganda you are fed since the beginning of WW1 and you still believe it today. In reality, you were never threatened.

Applying your mental gymnastics to Germany would mean that Britain, France and Russia literally forced Germany towards a first strike because they mobilized first. Germany dindu nuffin. See how great this works?

>>134083153
UK and France forced that war to happen.

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>>134083153
>Playing the Divide and Conquer "Who's to blame?" bullshit.
>/pol/ falls for it

>>134091388
We were threatened since we were a country which relied heavily on exports by sea. Without the strongest fleet we were at risk from being starved. Germany knew this yet still built up their fleet to antagonise us

What i'd like to hear is an explanation for how the UK and France possibly provoked the war. All our actions we in response to Germany and Austria Hungary.

>>134091160
>You are a person that blames the start of WW1 on literally one country... why would anyone actually think you are worth listening to? I repeat myself, you have literally no clue what you are talking about and barely even know the memes of WW1.
I'm not a historian, but I've read about it. Yes, ww1 can be blamed on 1, well maybe 2 countries (Germany and Austo-Hungary), since they attacked Serbia wich was under Russian protection. Austria was the attacker, with full German support so that settles it. And they were not even forced to start the war, so what excuse can you give them?
Also, I notice you ignore the rest of my comment, so I guess you agree that all your previous point were idiotic, but now you call me biased and ignorant? What a hypocrite.

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>>134083153
It sure wasn't my country. So there is only one else to blame

>>134091266
Your country must be at least 80% white to post. Now go back to your cuck porn bitch boy.

>>134091913
Nice try Germanscum Jew.

Death to your family is coming soon!

>>134089221
>Every European nation to be as shit as yours is. Well done Hanz ibn Heinz Ketchup al Jihad bin Al Qaeda bin Sausages. You won!
It's funny, what Germany is now doing is exactly what Britain and the USA wanted it to become. Most if not all German values nowadays were enforced by the allied victors of WWII.

The brits did nothing wrong.

>>134091781
>Germany knew this yet still built up their fleet to antagonise us

Yeah I'm sure they just did that to antagonize you, not because they were a sovereign monarchy who let nobody tell them how many ships to build. It was literally not your place to dictate what the others can do.

In terms of provoking:

Britain:

Didn't do much to my knowledge in terms of direct provocation, but I still have one book left to go in regards to that. What I know is that the upper echelon was hell bent on war. Then Britain had the power to stop it all by saying "we will not support France and Russia in a war" or "we will support you in a war". What did they do? They kept silent. Saying the first, and France and Russia would have backed down. Saying the second, then Germany backed down. Britain had the power to stop the war with a single sentence, Foreign Minister Grey knew this and they decided to stay silent.

France:
>Always scheming with Russia, assuring them support for a war. Mobilize directly after Russia.

Most of the blame goes towards Russia and Serbia in my book anyway, then France and Austria-Hungary, then Britain and Germany.

>>134092117
Please no! I just lost my little sister to your blood refinery.

>>134083153
the serbs

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>>134084365
>>134088508
every single time

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>>134085326
This tbqh.
European powers had it all.
Degeneracy was shamed and punished, traditionalism was rapid, culture and nationalism was all on the high, they were nr.1 at everything and could have destroyed everyone.

All it had to take was combined autism of all Europa powers to plunge the west into endless misery while its finest sons killed each other on flanders field...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkKEynoTwp8
So that in the end mischievous (((people))) would take advantage and destroy us from within.

Fuck this world and fuck crooked nose (((people))).

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>>134092288

This is really all you need to know about the Eternal Anglo and Eternal Baguette desu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War

>>134092288
>Most of the blame goes towards Russia and Serbia in my book anyway, then France and Austria-Hungary, then Britain and Germany.

Actually scratch that, most blame still goes to the fucking kike bankers/money lenders in the back, who funded lenin, send him to russia, had connections to the black hand and princip/trotsky, wanted to remove the Tsar, made the balfourt declaration (kudos to Britain for still refusing them palestine after WW1, maybe because of this you are now also kiked to death).

It was always the fucking kikes and other money lenders behind the curtain.

>>134091781
>We were threatened since we were a country which relied heavily on exports by sea.
You were threatened. By Germanys fleet. A fleet that they built as fast as they could, and were at the top of their game in 1914. Yet, you won basically every battle against Germany with ease in WWI.
It was not good handling on the German diplomatic side, but it was majorly blown out of proportions by the British fear that the Germans would now want to take over.

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Let's just fucking clear this meme.

He did nothing wrong.

>>134092610
Well this, too. Just a tiny bit of in-group preference among white Europeans makes the difference between a European dominated globe and global civilizational suicide.

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>>134085326
Your post made me sad. We could have had so much, a way better country but the world ganged up on us and now look at us.

>>134092610
Give me a break, the jews weren't all powerfull. WW1 was the kaiser's fault.

That's the wrong British flag, nerd

>>134093013
>WW1 was the kaiser's fault.
>gipsy intellectual

>>134093013
Like i said.
WW1 wasn't jewish plot, It was our combined autism and ambitions over each other.
We destroyed each other and kikes took advantage and took over.
Here we are now.

>>134093171
No germans din du nuffin, it was the Jews or course. They forced the germans to mobilize and go to war, despite Germany being a monarchy at the time.

>>134093013
There are literal diary entries from the Kaiser to Austria telling them to desist their attempts to militarily engage Serbia as well as letters between the Kaiser and the Tsar as cousins rather than Heads of State hoping this mobilization won't come to war. Neither the Tsar nor the Kaiser wanted war in 1914.

>>134093375
>it was the Jews or course
I never said it were the jews. I said you are an idiot, which you certainly are if you think the Kaiser wanted war.

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>>134083153
Why are you using the pre-1801 flag for Britain? Are you mentally defective?

>>134093268
>WW1 wasn't jewish plot

A big part Jewish, mostly originating from big capital.

>>134093268
That's mostly true, but to be fair it wasn't so mch the combined ambitions, rather the ambition of one particular nation that started it, the allies just wanted to preserve the status quo, as did the germans during Bismark's time. So yah, I think you can balme it on the kaiser and german leadership.

Literally fuck every other country that isn't us.

>>134093396
They were all children at the top.
When the prime minister talked to the king of England at the eve of the war and read him a statement, the only thing the king had to say was
>Change the last bit to "Your cousin Georgy"

>>134093678

This is like the tenth time you took the same information and rephrased it. Go away shill, nobody listens to your driven (thanks for bumping though).

At least your last sentence had some truth to it. Britain and France wanted to keep the status quo, with Britain staying the #1 empire und France #2. Both could not be achieved without war/destroying Germany.

>>134083153
Bismarck.

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>>134093579
>muh rape of Belgium
Pure Propaganda
>muh Independence germany gave in 1839
>german empire was formed in 1871
They could have just let us through

>>134093678
> the allies just wanted to preserve the status quo
How totally understandable that this makes it the Germans fault.
>Yeah, let's keep those Germans divided because we want the power all for ourselves. Wait, they are united now? Oh no, I don't want to share power with THEM.

It's international affairs, but it's hardly the Germans fault to strive for unity so they aren't played buffer states any longer.

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>>134083153
Austria Hungary, it was a dying nation who wanted to eat up a pathetic amount of land.

Alternatively, it might have been Russia. Austria Hungary gave Serbia a large set of demands after the assassination of the Archduke. Serbia was about to accept them all until Russia announced "we will help our little Slavic brothers in the South". Then Serbia denied the demands and WWI started. If Russia didn't do that then things would be alot different.

>>134093396
>>134093578
Germany gave unconditional support to Austria, and from what I remember reading they actually encouraged or agreed with the ultimatum.
>>134093970
WW1 was basically Germany trying to break the status quo since they felt they deserved a better place in world politics. They failed an many people died.
>>134094283
>How totally understandable that this makes it the Germans fault.
Well, they were the agressors.
>It's international affairs, but it's hardly the Germans fault to strive for unity so they aren't played buffer states any longer.
Strive for unity? unity with who? The Serbs? Germany was never actually threaten.

>>134094856
I don't understand.

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>>134094998
Are you the village rapist?

>>134095173
When you don't have arguments, resort to memes right?

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>>134094271
Germany invaded Belgium. That's a fact, you war-losing chickenshit. Ficke ficke.

>>134093678
>Muh only krauts wanted to ebin war.
Here is some reasons for most european countries to go to war

>Rysskis wanted to increase its prestige after humiliation of losing to Japan and to protect pan-slavic brotherhood
>Bongs were scared of Kraut fleet and economy that challenged their dominion
>Frog revanchism wanted Alsace-Lorien and to redeem themselves after humiliation of Franco-German war
>Serbs wanted to take back their ethnic territories and achieve the long lasting south slavic dream to unite against roaches and austrians
>Romanian gypsies wanted their ethnic land back from Hungary
>Bulgarians wanted to avenge their humiliation after second balkan war
>Spaghetti wanted their ethnic territories back
>half part of greeks wanted to achieve Megali idea
>Roaches wanted to not become sickman of europe anymore and preventing themselves from collapsing and take more lands
>Austrians didn't want to collapse in a gigantic race war so needed to establish more power on world stage
>Krauts wanted to protect their only allie and to become more powerful on world stage

It was literally autism on highest levels of each nation.

*raises hand*

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>>134094998
Why the hell do you hate germany so much? Did a german tourist not give you money and spit you in the face for being a beggar or what? Wilhelm clearly said he never wanted the war, he only wanted to help a friend. He wrote the Tzar a letter and said he hopes he can stop the situation from escalating because he wants peace.
Austria send the ultimatum without informing Wilhem. He only got it after it was already declined.

>>134095360
>Muh only krauts wanted to ebin war.
I never said that. The allies, well France and Eangland at least clearly wanted war. But so did the Germans and actually gave them a reason to go to war. And considering the germans were allied with shitsters like Austria and Turkey, and were the agressors, and led to the rise of comunism in Russia i don't sympathise with them much.

>>134094998

>It was Britain and France trying to preserve the status quo
>It was Germany trying to break the status quo

Well what is it? Make up your damn mind.

The point still stands gypsie, to keep that status quo, war was needed for France and Britain. Or do you think they could have kept up with the rising economy of Germany while Germany gets oil from 1915-2000 through the Ottoman Empire and France/Britain dont? Germany would have broken the status quo without war and gained European hegemony (mostly).

But you are resistant to any facts anyway.

>>134083153
there are many reasons the war broke up, but most of them belong to germanic shitheads

>>134095640
>WIlhelm is incompetent and surrounded by incompetent spies and mailmen so surely it can't be his fault

>>134095330
>Germany invaded Belgium
Yeah and? Like Britain never invaded a country. What I said is that all the war crimes were just a hoax to have a reason to treat us that badly in the treaty of versailles

>>134095971
What are you even trying to say?

>>134095330
>Germany invaded Belgium
It's funny, Britain had no actual obligation to protect Belgium, it needed a reason to join the war and thus it was dug out by the foreign minister of England. I think that was a treaty from 100 years ago or so and Germany even intended to keep the ports that were important for Britain safe.

Also: As if Britain wasn't involved in the war from day 1. France had left its fleet in the mediterranean because you were guarding the channel. So what did you do? You promised them, you'd protect the channel and German attacks against the French north boarder against Germans. You were already in the war, but you needed a good publicity stunt that made it not about
>Well we kinda already are in this war because we didn't really think what this treaty with France would do
but
>Oh look, what humanitarian efforts we do! Poor Belgium

>>134095640
>Why the hell do you hate germany so much?
Not everyone's a hot headed german.I don't hate germany and the outcome of the war was actualy favorable for my country. I was just trying to have an honest discussion and state the truth. From my reading i got the solid impression that the kaiser was in favor of going to war. "he only wanted to help a friend" in such a matter is like saying it was just a prank bro.

>>134096150
I thought you were trying to say that the war is somehow not his fault.

>>134096250
>I don't hate germany
>Germany is cancer

So you also have Alzheimers.

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>>134095699
I don't sympathise with any european except our civilization and those poor souls who died fighting each other for autism of higher ups.

If it's anyones to blame for WW1 was that individual faggot who killed the Archduke.
Every nation has something to be blamed for.

>>134096309
I were saying this because it wasn't his fault.
>>134096250
>From my reading i got the solid impression that the kaiser was in favor of going to war.
Read the letters he and the Tzar were writting each other.
> "he only wanted to help a friend" in such a matter is like saying it was just a prank bro.
t. a person who has no idea what loyalty is

And just for extra information, read the letters the Tzar wrote to the king of England, who was also his cousin. The Tzar asked him for exile in his country when the commies were trying to kill him. The english King declined. Wilhelm was a way better person than anyone else.

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>>134088395
The Angelo argument for decades was
>Germany will never be united under one fla..
>well they never will make peace with Austr....

After the the beete eyed Angelo worked for war.

>>134083153
Top lel. Why the fuck are we even an option? I know you cunts like to blame us Anglos for everything, but WWI? REALLY?! Nigger please.

>>134095713
>>It was Britain and France trying to preserve the status quo
>It was Germany trying to break the status quo
>Well what is it? Make up your damn mind.
But there's no contradiction there.

>to keep that status quo, war was needed for France and Britain.
When I'm talking about the status quo I don't mean economy or even population. Germany wanted colonies and influence.
>Germany gets oil from 1915-2000 through the Ottoman Empire and France/Britain dont?
What? Did the turks emargo France and Britain? They didn't want to sell oil to them during peace time? I never heard of this.
>Germany would have broken the status quo without war and gained European hegemony (mostly).
How the hell would they do that without war? Unless by hegemony you just mean stronger economic ties, while still competing with other countries, but that doesn't sound like hegemony to me.

>>134096408
When it comes to foreign policity germany has shat the bed numerous times, dragging the rest of us with it. But i wouldn't say I hate the german people or everything german, just the ones defending stupid decisions.
>>134096797
"loyalty" when it comes to such matters can be criminal. Such petty codes of conduct don't apply to heads of state, especially not rulers of empires.Take the Romanian king for example, naturally he was inclined to join the war on germany's side since he was a german, and even had a defensive alliance with Austria. But despite this he joined the allies because the interests of the country alligned better with them. And I doubt the kaiser was such a loyal and noble guy really, he could have been just power hungry.
>And just for extra information, read the letters the Tzar wrote to the king of England, who was also his cousin. The Tzar asked him for exile in his country when the commies were trying to kill him. The english King declined.
I'm aware of this. I didn't know the kaiser offered his support for the tzar though.

>>134096960
>I don't mean economy
>How the hell would they do that without war?

WITH ECONOMY YOU FUCKING ILLITERATE RETARD, THIS IS WHAT "INFLUENCE" IS GOD DAMMIT.

How can you be so retarded that you don't even understand the things your write yourself? Here I'll dumb it down for you:

Before 1900, the Germany economy started to explode. In Britain, they wrote "made in Germany" on the good to mark them so that brits don't buy them. This backfired and the mark of quality was born. This booming economy meant inevitably the peaceful conquering of sales markets. Thus, France' and Britains trade and GDP went down or at least growth slowed (not sure about the numbers here). This went on until Germany alone nearly rivald France and Britain combined, the two biggest empires on the planet.

With the losing of sales markets, at one point, your standards of living will drop significantly while the central european power thrive more and more. More money for food, population, industry, science etc... and prior to WW1, Germany was such a powerhouse that the rest shat their pants. As a result, Britain and France would have had to make cuts in their budgets, also certainly for military.

To give you a hint on how much pant shitting was going on: Germany defeated Russia in the east, nearly bled Britain dry with submarine warfare in the west and the eastern troops were on their way to steamroll France while just in time the US went in to save the day..... WHILE the US supported France and Britain with military stuff from the start which bankrupted both empires in the first year of war... all while Germany did not lose any clay during the war.

Now think for yourself what it would have meant for Germany to have more peace, until 1920, 1930 or even 1940. The others won't even dare to start shit anymore.

Same shit before WW1 basically repeated before WW2. It was never about diplomacy, only about economy, because this sets your standards of living.

>>134089252
the germans literally put lenin and his commanders on an armored train to the front

>>134097827
Loyalty is the highest virtues and being a traitor throws you into the deepest circle of hell. The king of Romania was a dirty, lying backstabber who attacked Germany in an attempted to grab some power quickly and got BTFO.
>I didn't know the kaiser offered his support for the tzar though.
He didn't, because the tzar never asked.

>>134098249
>Before 1900, the Germany economy started to explode. In Britain, they wrote "made in Germany" ...
I'm aware of all of this, but you'r just some german fanatic. First of all an economic monopoly is not really hegemony, countriescan become protectionistic and tell you to fuck off. But even so, you'r assuming the germans would be so great that no one could compete with them ever, not even other developed countries. that is laughable and extremely biased. In fact, it was germany that acted out of fear of Russia. germany was already developed, now came russia's turn, and with much greater population and resources they would eclipse Germany, not in exports maybe, but even so Russia was growing stronger in proportion to germany.

>To give you a hint on how much pant shitting was going on: Germany defeated Russia in the east, nearly bled Britain dry with submarine warfare in the west and the eastern troops were on their way to steamroll France while just in time the US went in to save the day..... WHILE the US supported France and Britain with military stuff from the start which bankrupted both empires in the first year of war... all while Germany did not lose any clay during the war.
This adds nothing to what you said, just jerking of to german military.

>Now think for yourself what it would have meant for Germany to have more peace, until 1920, 1930 or even 1940. The others won't even dare to start shit anymore.
Bullshit, like I said, germany was already developed, they had no more room for growth, at least not like before. In fact the situation for germany was worse than France and England, Germany didn't have the colonies for population growth, the markets to sell to like India or colonies with resources. Strategically they were on the way down.
>Same shit before WW1 basically repeated before WW2.
I agree with this. Except it was Germany who was acting out of fear of Russia, not England or France out of fear of Germany.

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>>134083244
lol

>>134084365
I'd say it was a mix of all parties wanting to keep their alliances in order. Everyone is at fault, however a lot of /pol/ hates the allies because jews and I fall somewhat in that category.

>>134099426
>He didn't, because the tzar never asked.
So how do you know he was any better then?
>Loyalty is the highest virtues and being a traitor throws you into the deepest circle of hell.
Betraying your own people is different from political relations with foreign countries. In fact, being loyal to some diplomatic agreement in the disfavour of your own countrymen is real treason, because you value foreign opinion more than your people. King Carol proved himself to be a true patriot, if he would have sided with Germany he would have betrayed his own people (the romanian people).

>>134099851
>kek, let's just kill those fellow white people for our own interests
Literally not better than the Jews. You disgust me

>>134100463
>kek, let's just kill those fellow white people for our own interests
This is what the germans did. Did you reply to the wrong comment?

>>134100573
The germans declared war out of virtue and love, romania did it out of greed egoism

>>134089750
holy damn that's a nice ID

>>134100830
That is literally the opposite of what happened. Germany declared war out of desire for power , colonies and influence and fear of growing russian power. Romania faught to free our brothers subjugated by the austro-hungarians, and unite the romanian people under a nation state, rather the multicultural abomination that was the autrian empire.

>>134099477
>you'r assuming the germans would be so great that no one could compete with them ever,

Well the US could have, the others, no. I think you don't understand the importance of the Bagdad Bahn, the speed of transportation (also to India) and the resources involved in that. Imagine Germany getting a head start in terms of oil of 10-20 years ahead of France or Britain (the oil field still to be discovered prior to WW1).

>now came russia's turn
At this point Russia was not seen as a real threat. They were far away from industrialization and in so much civil unrest that they already had to fight off a first communist revolution in 1905... not to forget the lost war against Japan. You overvalue Russia too much.

>This adds nothing to what you said
Right, describing just how much stronger Germany already was compared to the others is not relevant for the discussion about the strength of nations...

>they had no more room for growth
>"conquer" markets from Britain and France all over the world
>be best buddies with the big Ottoman empire, thrive while making them strong too with your goods (and receive oil in return)
>rest of the world increases population while Germany is still the one getting most of the market share.

>at least not like before.
You unironically think that from 1870 till 1910, Germany already maxed out in terms of development? Looking at the period after WW1 until today should tell you otherwise, considering we lost clay and population and still were the #2 economy on the planet 10 years after WW2 again.

>Strategically they were on the way down.
This is basically contradictory to what any historian would tell you about Germany's situation in 1910...

>>134101205
>That is literally the opposite of what happened. Germany declared war out of desire for power , colonies and influence and fear of growing russian power. Romania faught to free our brothers subjugated by the austro-hungarians, and unite the romanian people under a nation state, rather the multicultural abomination that was the autrian empire.
Holy fucking shit. How much propaganda can you fit in a single post? You forgot to say something about those evil germans genociding and raping innocent people.

What's the best book to read about WW1?

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>>134089135
(You)

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>>134101856
Infanterie greift an!

>>134101320
>Well the US could have, the others, no. I think you don't understand the importance of the Bagdad Bahn, the speed of transportation (also to India) and the resources involved in that. Imagine Germany getting a head start in terms of oil of 10-20 years ahead of France or Britain (the oil field still to be discovered prior to WW1).
Nonsense, Germany was more competitive at the moment, but medium and long term there's no guarantee that the situation would stay the same. You have this very biased view and think well look how great germany is, things can only get better. But there's no real reason to belive that. Look at the modern day for example, yes germany is more competitive in Europe but France and England are doing well also, wich kind of proves your view to be wrong.

>At this point Russia was not seen as a real threat.
That's probably correct. Not at this point, but long term the balance of power would go in their favour so germany had to strike, gain colonies and weaken its neighbours.

>They were far away from industrialization and in so much civil unrest that they already had to fight off a first communist revolution in 1905... not to forget the lost war against Japan. You overvalue Russia too much.
Like I said, short term not really a threat. But russia was developing, partly due to the vast resources it had including oil, and for a period there was a guy in the russian government that started introducing some free market policies, don't remember the details but growth was obvious. So much so that even communist leaders abroad were shitting their pants that people will get rich and a revolution would be impossible. He was assassinated though, but proves that russian development was possible.

>>134101320
>Right, describing just how much stronger Germany already was compared to the others is not relevant for the discussion about the strength of nations...
Germany was at it's strongest during the war, from then on the balance of power would shift even more in the allies favour, due to, like I said before, russian development, and allied colonies wich means population growth and resources.

>You unironically think that from 1870 till 1910, Germany already maxed out in terms of development?
not quite, they were growing in pace with technology, but not at the rate of a developing country.
>Looking at the period after WW1 until today should tell you otherwise, considering we lost clay and population and still were the #2 economy on the planet 10 years after WW2 again
That growth is due to technological advances. Germany could only grow intensivley not extensivley like the allied countries.

>This is basically contradictory to what any historian would tell you about Germany's situation in 1910...
Actually i read in multiple sources that this was the case. never heard it said otherwise actually.

>>134101510
Everything i said is factually true. you'r the one filled with propaganda. I honestly have no idea what you could deny about what I wrote. Please explain if you can.

>>134084365
>Anglo

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>>134083153
fuck you all.
we'll rise and shine.

>>134083153
Serbian Untermensch is always to blame

>>134099477
you really got a point with russia emerging, however, you far overestimate the potentials of slavs. they are slavs, that's semi nigger, spic-tier human. 99% of them were peasants at this time

>>134099477
>Bullshit, like I said, germany was already developed, they had no more room for growth, at least not like before.
another good point, that's why they built the bagdad-train. historically the balkans have always been a very pleasing market for the german industry. prolonging the track into turkey and the middle east were a no-brainer.
the project was started by thyssen, irrc, one of the greatest german businessmen at that time

>>134103227
>Everything i said is factually true
>Germany declared war out of desire for power , colonies and influence and fear of growing russian power
Looks like your talking out of your ass and act like it's your mouth. I don't even know where you have that shit from.

>>134089290
We are not the Rothschilds you fucking moron

>>134104139
>you far overestimate the potentials of slavs
That's just superstitious thinking. Sure, some cultural aspects would slow down development and maybe limit it to a certain point. but first of all such aspects can be overcome, and second, russia already showed potential to grow given the right policies. Read what I wrote about it here >>134103047, last paragraph, though I'm sorry I don't remember details. Remember the Germans Japanese and Koreans were also considered to be incapabele of industrialization at one time.
And Russia didn't have to be as efficient or industrialized as germany to be more powerfull.

>>134083153
and OP, here's your answer

>>134085326
>>134085696

it was britain and france mostly, and a bunch of autists in the austrian foreign ministry
also russia mobilized really quick, for whatever reason

balfour declaration later on was just a jew-like greay greasy shady by-product

the germans should not have build so many huge ships.

>>134104847
yeah, yeah, ok.
emerging yes, but it would be a really long progress. they made it to space after all.

do you know, why they mobilize so fast?

>>134104671
It's a pretty mainstream view, I present arguments in my last few posts.
What did Germany fight for in your opinion?
And you can't deny that Romania fought a war of liberation from a multicultural empire right?

>>134083153
jews.

>>134083153
Itt: people with no idea about how 1900's politics work debate who dindu.
Pro tip: there were more than one faction at play.
The reason it wasn't over by christmas was that an american came up with the machine gun.

>>134101510
So Belgium is just a myth right.

>>134083153
/Pol/
It's always the jew

>>134105332
>>134105446

completely irrelevant posts, just like you country

>>134105116
>And you can't deny that Romania fought a war of liberation from a multicultural empire right?
I won't deny this, but it's an empire they were allied with which makes them backstabbers.
>It's a pretty mainstream view, I present arguments in my last few posts.
Germany being the bad guy in WW2 is just as mainstream which shows how dumb that is.
Germany did not want the war, they were the country that hoped the longest that everybody else would pull out. The reason they went to the war was because they were allied. Sure, they wanted to annex collonies if they won, but this was not the reason to join. This is what the Entente wants you to think so Germany looks like the evil warmonger.

>>134105112
>emerging yes, but it would be a really long progress
Well, even underdeveloped the allies defeated the germans, who had a tough time with Russia as it was. And considering it could only get stronger i guess they had a good reason to be concerned.

>do you know, why they mobilize so fast?
Not an expert in WW1, i guess they just didn't take shit. Serbia was clearly under Russian influence.

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>>134083244
Go to bed mehmed/Seha

>>134105446
>So Belgium is just a myth right.
No, but the Rape of Belgium and other (((war crimes))) are.

>>134085326
You sir understands it. I like you

>>134105542
Yeah, i wish my relatives would have enjoyed the glory of being shot to pieces by some artillery shell. Too bad.
>>134105847
Just like polish crimes against {{germans}} right? After all we don't want double standards now do we?

>>134083244
"
Turkish soldiers as a rule manifest their desire to surrender by holding their rifle butt upward and by waving clothes or rags of any colour. An actual white flag should be regarded with the utmost suspicion as a Turkish soldier is unlikely to possess anything of that colour.
"

You have to understand, the modern Western powers NEED to have Germany be the bad guy in every scenario. "Ze Dshermans" have to be agitators that just sprout from the Earth and want to kill everybody with no prior events causing the future, or else the whole claims just fall apart. Muh ebil nahtzees just had to kill Jews 'only because they were Jewish', or claim territory "because they want to conquer and kill everyone".
You can really tell who has read Mein Kampf and who hasn't, which is quite ironic given how the usual lot berate ahistorical events, yet only listen to one side. "Muh crimes against humanity are unique the the Dshermans... right after nuking the Nips". Don't get me wrong, war has no rules, but when moral posturing goes as far as to cleanse oneself of all wrongdoing, it's pretty comical.

>>134105636
>I won't deny this, but it's an empire they were allied with which makes them backstabbers.
Pretty sure I mentioned this before, but Romania and Austria only had a defensive alliance. And since Austria was the agressor the treaty did not come into play. So no treaty was actually broken.
>Germany being the bad guy in WW2 is just as mainstream which shows how dumb that is.
Well, that's not really an argument. It's not like WW1 is as propagandized or controversial as WW2.
>The reason they went to the war was because they were allied.
The germans gave the austrias a go ahead to do what they want, and the austrians wanted to go to war over Serbia. Not to mention treaties are broken all the time, the germans themselves relied on the fact that Britain won't join the war if Belgium is attacked.
>This is what the Entente wants you to think so Germany looks like the evil warmonger.
Sorry buddy, but not all mainstream views are propaganda. The germans and austrians literally started the war and the allies were more than happy to finish it. Germany was the warmonger, both in WW1 and WW2 (and i'm saying this as a fascist, so no ideological bias against them).
>Germany did not want the war, they were the country that hoped the longest that everybody else would pull out.
Maybe they didn't want a war of this scale, that I can belive, but at the end of the day the austrians attacked the serbs and the germans supported them.

>>134106550
>Sorry buddy, but not all mainstream views are propaganda. The germans and austrians literally started the war and the allies were more than happy to finish it. Germany was the warmonger, both in WW1 and WW2 (and i'm saying this as a fascist, so no ideological bias against them).

nope nope nope

germany lost it's nerves first
and austria throne heir was shot in the head

what would britain do if some paki shot both sons of the long dead cheating scummy bitch diana, while they were vising a mosque in birmingham a sign of appeasment and good will

would nigel to the country's fate into his hands in an organized matter or would he let the people start a revolt

>>134106550
>The germans and austrians literally started the war and the allies were more than happy to finish it. Germany was the warmonger, both in WW1 and WW2 (and i'm saying this as a fascist, so no ideological bias against them).
>mutual alliances being invoked and escalating into conflict
>but it's only the German's fault
After the assassination, the powers were soon called in, but to say that only Germany is at-fault is to blame France for the Libyan conflict because they are a part of NATO coalition airstrikes. They were called in to fight a war they had no part in. We would agree that they all should have just been isolationist.

As for WW2, it was really just a "Carthaginian peace". It wasn't really WW2, but WW1, part 2. It lasted until the Berlin wall fell. It is simply an attack against Marxist egalitarianism that the US learned of too late. It is only expected to observe ultranationalist sentiments after a war that splits up a nation. Even neo-cons in the US eternally blame the hippies protesting the Vietnam war for its conclusion, as they see them as demoralizing agents.

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Since we invented democracy (and anything else you name it) Greece should be paid royalty fee for each country using democracy.

Maybe we'll pay our debt.

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>>134106214
Just because you are a mountain jew doesn't mean you have to act like the jews.
>>134106550
>It's not like WW1 is as propagandized or controversial as WW2.
But it was. The propaganda was plenty, how else do you think the Treaty of Versailles was possible? No country deserves something like this and it was shoved down Germanys throat. You have to think that Germany made (((someone))) angry so that something like this happens.
>and the austrians wanted to go to war over Serbia.
Serbia could have just accepted the ultimatum. They were ready for war with the Entente in the back just like Poland was 1939.
> Not to mention treaties are broken all the time
Not in Germany.
> Germany was the warmonger, both in WW1 and WW2
Maybe you should just hang yourself.
>and i'm saying this as a fascist
I doubt this.

>>134107729
Shieet. Well, it doesn't matter much since it only lasted for a month or so, after that the reprisals on the civilians stopped entirely.

>>134107388
kinda, the peace treaty between russia and germany in 1917 was the last one with a honest handshake, the last one both parties could walk away from with thinking of it as fair.
the next one in paris in 1918 was based on greed and vengeance and we all know what came out of it.

you don't treat your neigbours like that, it's idiotic.
or better said, cultureless, and really underlines the american and jewish influence in the treaty.

>>134107388
Well austrians are still germans, but sure Austria was at fault too. But without unconditional german support it's quite possible Austria would have backed down.
As for ww2, what upsets me is that the worst possible outcome happened. You have the soviet union wich is universally despised by people in the west, yet the germans somehow manage to rally almost all of the gobe against them and put an end to fascism and plunge europe into communism and democracy. All of this despite there being an allied buffer state betwen germany and the soviet union. It's like they made the worst possible moves.

>>134083153
>Who is to blame?
Zionists

>>134108223
Brest-Litovsk lasted for less than a year before Versailles abolished it.
>>134108240
I never said Austria wasn't at-fault. I am more of an isolationist, but I can sympathize with Mexico for losing land to the US and would not be surprised if they fought back.

>>134108474
>Brest-Litovsk lasted for less than a year before Versailles abolished it.
still doesn't take anything away from what I said

even poland was kinda ok with it, I think

>>134107729
>But it was. The propaganda was plenty, how else do you think the Treaty of Versailles was possible? No country deserves something like this and it was shoved down Germanys throat. >You have to think that Germany made (((someone))) angry so that something like this happens.
Give me a break, how many millions died in the war the germans and austrians caused/ No wonder people were angry. i think germany should have been partitioned actually, maybe then communism wouldn't have spread so far.
>Serbia could have just accepted the ultimatum.
>It's not austria's fault for attacking them, it's serbia's fault for not surrendering.
Are you fucking serious?
>They were ready for war with the Entente in the back just like Poland was 1939.
That's correct, I guess germans never learn, and from what you write, I guess germans still haven't learned anything.
>Not in Germany.
Probably not true, but in any case the germans did expect the brits to break their treaty, so I guess they kind of realize that treaties don't necesarily mean that much.
>Maybe you should just hang yourself.
>>134108240

>>134108716
Yeah, I know. I'm just explaining how the treaties lasted/were abolished.

>>134108886
But it's was an ultimatum,not a surrender request and Serbia could have accepted it.Even in Anglo propaganda you can clearly see them say it embarrassing for sovereign country to accept than threatening to Serbia's actual Independence.

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>>134083153
Zionist Jews are to blame

>>134109212
Sucks for them, maybe they shoud have just given serbia it's proper land, and do the same with other countries. If you'r an opressor like the austrians were you shouldn't be surprised when people try to kill your king.

>>134088508
>declared the First World War:
>listen up, we declare the First World War now. You all join, ja?

>>134109629
>Serbia's proper land
Like what?Also i don't know or care about Romanians ,but Serbs where never oppressed in Austria.
>Inb4 muh proper lands are the one where mah people are a majority

>>134109629
the balkans always were an arena for bigger country's muscle games, so sorry bro, deal with it

>>134108886
You are full of shit. Why don't you just end your life? Being a gipsy must be hard, the death would be less cruel for you.
And you call yourself fascist. Pathetic.
You should look back when you were on our side in WW2. You had proud ancestors, but considering they were the spawn of backstabbers makes it believable that an abomination like you comes out. Maybe you should read some more propaganda and suck the jewish, globalist dick even more, because logic doesn't seem to be your thing.

>>134110074
I think nobody expected it would kick off the way it did. Also we tend to forget that in 1913, there was another balkan war. Everyone got used to it apparently.

>>134110125
What are you on about? How is this and excuse for what Austria did?
>>134110087
>but Serbs where never oppressed in Austria.
pretty sure that's not true.
>Inb4 muh proper lands are the one where mah people are a majority
So what are your proper lands?

>>134110087
So, Serbs in Bosnia don't count?

>>134110680
Pretty sure it was true.Unless you count some butt hurt Magyar rebellions because we payed less tax than them.
>So what are your proper lands?
Lands that under control of your countries rulling unit?

>>134110774
mhm.I mean is RS a part of Serbia?

them goddamn niggers

awake from your stupor goyim animals
you have been played since the beginning
of time. the jew mafia rigged it from the
get go. they maintain power via freemasonry
local lodge locks down the traitor
police chief, judge, clergy. they fuk everyone over and the cash flows between these
groups. the jew mob started this shit up in babylon, mystery schools. they put down anyone that's wise enough to see it.
the fukks at the lodge
will say it's a nice little charity thing, do gooders, all BS, they don't know the whole
story because most don't make it past 3. if they are vile enough they will graduate out of the blue lodge to the 4th level and become a secret mason. these blood oaths go on many many levels. in ww2 truman stalin and churchill were all 33rd mason, what are the fukkin odds? ya see, it was a rigged war. when a freemason recruit gets high enough up he is handed a talmud and told you are now in the jew mafia and all praise be to lucifer. wake up pricks

>>134110392
>gypsy
>kill yourself
I bet it's gonna be a very insightfull comment.
>You should look back when you were on our side in WW2.
Yah, my ancestors were dragged to their death and the country was taken by communists due to german incompetence. If Hitler hadsn't spazzed out and make war with the allies things would have been better. The russians would either stick to their original borders or attack and maybe we would have seen a united european fron against them. Thanks again germany.

>>134111008
>rulling unit
Don't know what that is.

>>134110680
>What are you on about? How is this and excuse for what Austria did?

it's no excuse for the brits and french di. they should have let Austria have his way with little bitch kid serbia, like it had a hundred times before and not take it as chance to ignite a global scale war, which lasted almost a century, killed millions and millions of whites, collapsed at least five european world wide empires and helped the US, the communists and the chinamen raise to power.

>>134111325
A government,whatever it may be.

>>134111057
People like you make me glad it isn't

>>134111435
This is what isolationism will inevitably entail. Just as one party should not intervene and allow the problem to settle itself, that means both Germans and Brits ought to stay their hand. When you only appeal to German intervention while ignoring other intervention, it is ignoring the whole point.

This also highlights the weak argument of "killing millions of whites". That's war, it isn't exactly great to state that. That wasn't the goal initially.

love how serbia started a world war to get bosnia then loses bosnia

nigga lmao

>>134111654
I am glad too.

>>134111435
what evidence did the austro-hungarians have at the time that the serbian government was involved anyway? Also why would France let their only other major continental ally alone fighting two superpowers?

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>>134111166
>If Hitler hadsn't spazzed out and make war with the allies things would have been better.
You should consider leaving this site. Hitler dindu nothing. The allies never cared about the commies. They only wanted war with Germany.
Thank the allies for being anti white shits and don't take your anger out on Germany.
But I guess non-whites tend to attack superior white countries. That would at least explain your irrational hate for Germany.

>>134111539
So you'r just saying, the righfull borders are whatever they happen to be. That's quite idiotic my lefty friend.
>>134111435
How buthurt can one person be? You'r saying, "they should have let us win cuz we're so strong. All the death caused by the war that we started is not our fault, it's their fault for defending themselves". Jesus Christ what is wrong with germans?

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Juden

>>134111763
I bet you would also be glad if Vojvodina and Raska got independence so you could "be at peace" with all your neighbours.

>>134111732
did germany or austria intervene when britain annexed northern ireland?
or when england started shit with scotland?
or when napoleon marched into spain?

the balkans were always subordinates to the habsburgs or venice kingdoms and even turkey.
getting involved into petty games like this means you aim for trouble.

>>134112451
I don't care about any of our neighbors but i also don't give a fuck about you.

I like how the Germans seem to be the only ones not falling for the divide and conquer. Europeans need to unite against the coming storm.

>>134088508
A horde of barbarians, scourge of civilization. Islam will finish the job that bomber harris started. good riddance to bad rubbish, goodbye german scum nation.

>>134112563
No, my main point is that ignoring interventionism conveniently is hypocritical. Napoleon betraying Spain doesn't get nearly enough convenient outrage as does Germany and the Soviets.

Austria-Hungary for not declaring war sooner, they waited too long and the shock and anger of the Arch Dukes death had died down enough, there is no point blaming France,Russia and Germany for honouring alliances and blaming the UK for Defending Belgium.
To be honest i really don't blame Austria-Hungry for wanting the war just their Bad decisions

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>>134087468
Nice bait

>>134112789
A fucking leaf.

>>134087773
It's A-H's fault, you should start reading books Hans

>>134112684
Oh its the Belgrade boy

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>>134111925
>Hitler dindu nothing
Bullshit, hitler was incompetent. Typical german autist. I respect a lot of the things he did, policies, aesthetics, Mein Kampf, but when it comes to foreign policy he fucked us all.
>The allies never cared about the commies. They only wanted war with Germany.
Many of the higher ups did, but it's unreasonable to think they would stand by as the soviets annex Poland and/or Romania. And even in that case, Germany and italy could at least fight against the soviets without fighting the allies at the same time.
>Thank the allies for being anti white shits and don't take your anger out on Germany.
Yah, cuz modern day germany isn't the spearhead of degeneracy, bullying easter europe to take more rapists.
>But I guess non-whites tend to attack superior white countries. That would at least explain your irrational hate for Germany.
Yah, germany is really white I hear. I didn't really hate the german people, but the more i talk to you people, the more discgusted I get. You seem to only consist of pride, calling others inferior and non white while your country is in worse condition and you refuse to admit any fault of your own.

July 28th - Austria declared war on Serbia, Russia began mobilization against Austria-Hungary and tells Germany this is against Austria-Hungary and not Germany
August 1st - Germany declares war on Russia
August 3rd - Germany declares war on France
August 4th - Germany invades Belgium and draws Britain into the war
August 6th - Austria-Hungary declares war on Russia
German autism has been the downfall of Europe since 1871.

>>134113269
>Belgrade
Ewwww.

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>>134083153
It was bad because he removed strudel instead of kebab.

>>134113278
>hitler was incompetent

Yeah right thats why he nearly won a war on two fronts and was greatly outnumbered. He seemed to be the most competent of them all because he knew what would happen if he lost. While the allies didn't know what would happen if they won.

>>134113582
this so much
saved

fuck you all

>>134113657
>nearly won
So he lost. Say it like it is. If he wasn't incompetent he wouldn't have faught a war on two fronts. He was the agressor after all so he did have the choice. I don't get it how you pea brain imbeciles can admire this.
As for the battelfield acomplishments those are more due to his generals and soldiers.
>While the allies didn't know what would happen if they won.
The allies were controleld by kikes so you can't expect much of them.

>>134113405
we almost won if it wasn't for you american fuckheads killing your own cousins

american idiocity has been the downfall of europe since 1916

>>134114040
I take it you agree with the comment unironically?

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>it's another anglo circlejerk episode

>>134114104
Yea saying nearly won implies that he lost dumb shit. He was justified in his invasion of Poland he was the aggressor to Poland not the English and French. And executed a preemptive strike on Russia once he saw them pushing into Europe which could have very well saved all of Europe from going red and helped the allies win the cold war later on.

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>>134114230
>>134114334
Stay assblasted.
Or don't, start another war with the world, and get your shit kicked in again.

>>134114230
Jewish not American the American people had no and control over our government and still don't to this day. Just how your people are now brainwashed by Jews our people were back then. Jews got control of our education and Media and politicians and essentially mind controlled us.

>>134114581
>Yea saying nearly won implies that he lost dumb shit.
So how is that not a sign of incompetence?
>And executed a preemptive strike on Russia
I agree with that, too bad that at that point, instead of having other european countries as allies, or at least neutral he had them as enemies.
>He was justified in his invasion of Poland he was the aggressor to Poland not the English and French.
What kind of low iq subhumn are you? No, he was not justified in attacking poland given the circumstances. poland was guaranteed by England and France so he knew what he was getting into. Then he did another genious move when he attacked the US for literally no reason. Of course by that point the US was already sending aid to his enemies, but now they could send troops. The guy was like a bad video game AI. Only a complete fanatial retard could defend him on foreign policy.

>>134083153

Serbs.

>>134088664

Collapse of Russian Empire is probably the best thing that has ever happened to Europe, second best thing is collapse of Soviet Union.

>>134115810
Well, the collapse of russia was only temporary, and the soviets were much worse. You were speared communism and weren't conquered again, but not everyone was that lucky.

>>134115503
Losing a war equals incompetence right.

Well if he didn't execute a premptive strike on Russia he would have been attacked. You clearly need to do some research check out the Mannerheim recordings and the greatest story never told

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8raDPASvq0&ab_channel=R%C3%98LG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XExjrZxTdk&t=7s&ab_channel=ReinhardtvonLohengramm

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>>134115503
Given the circumstances he was justified.

>>134116257
>Losing a war equals incompetence right.
On it's own maybe not, but making the inexcusable mistakes he made, and I gave examples of them (attacking a guaranteed Poland), does.
>Well if he didn't execute a premptive strike on Russia he would have been attacked.
Are you trolling me or something? I literally agreed with this exact point in the comment you quoted. That's not why I call him incompetent. It's the rest of the comment wich you seem to ignore for some reason.

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>>134116474
Yah, the great polish threat. Germany would have been done for. Not saying poland has no fault in this, but Poland and England had a defensive alliance, in case of a Polish attack it wouldnot apply. Not to mention Germany would have the moral highground.

>>134116675
Well if you are really that fucking educated to think that he is incompetent just for invading Poland all i can say is educate your self. He had no choice ethnic Germans were being terrorized on former German land. He demanded the land back Poland refused so he had to invade. Imagine if he didn't he would have put him self at risk and lost the faith of the people. There is a reason all of Germany was behind him when he made the decision.

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>>134083244
ogulum mehmet

>>134116740
I'm aware of all the stuff you posted. Churchill and the allied higher ups wanted war with hitler, but Churchill isn't the british people, he can't order them around to war for no reaason. Hitler gave them the reason by attacking a guaranteed Poland and then wanted out. He should have known better, considering that's the exact thing that happened in WW1.

>>134117046
Well the Polish certainly saw them self as a threat to Germany readying their men for war long before Germany invaded or planned to invade. They wanted Germany to attack and Germany had no choice. His choice was to let his own people starve and die in Poland and lose the faith of the people or invade though he first tried to resolve things with diplomacy to which Poland incompetently refused.

>>134117124
> ethnic Germans were being terrorized on former German land. He demanded the land back Poland refused
I know, like I said, poland is to blame as well. But as you said, he probably did it for political reasons, to not loose the faith of the German people. Considering the stakes, that's irresponsible and miopic. Not to mention this wasn't his first strike, look at Czechoslovakia.

>>134117415
Yes he can order them to war any country can order their men to war. Though some were against it such as the British union of Fascist. But the English had been propagandized And the king who was friendly to the Nazis was forced to abdicate the throne.

>>134117785
Buddy losing the faith of the people means losing power potentially having all his hard work for Germany be for nothing. He couldn't take that risk.

>>134117785
The real mistakes of the axis were made by the Italians and Japs Italy was too busy fucking around in Africa and Greece to help Germany and then made Germany help them. And the Japs were too busy bombing American and slaughtering Chinks.

AH

They wanted multi culti empire si they decide to invade a country that wasn't free for 539 years only to get independence through revolutions and war around 80 years before the war and still had large portions of it's population under Muslim and Hungarian control

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>>134084365
>The fucking Anglo again
Beady eyes, rotten teeth and jewish soul.

>>134117785
Also if Spain would have been honorable and payed back the Axis for helping them win the civil war things could have been different for them. Sure Spain was weakened by the Civil war but there is a reason England and France didn't want them involved taking mainland Europe back from the Axis would have been near impossible with Spanish aid.

>>134117973
Give me a break, Hitler did a lot of good things . Unless the Germans are a race of total spiled brats, Hitler, with hist rethorical talent could have spinned it to make it seem like they have the moral highground (wich they would have had) and actually increase solidarity. The truth is he was shortsighted, but probably most of all overconfident. He belived his own propaganda and didn't have the sternness to put up with the polish abuses for the sake of the larger picture.
>>134118138
That, and Hitler declaring war on the US, wich I still don't get why he did it.

>>134118524
As I understand there was some sort of clash or personalities betwen Hitler and Franco. Or maybe even of ideology.

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>Everyone puts the blame on Austria-Hungary
wtf, I hate /pol/ now.
I guess Hungarians and Austrians were the only ones who truly loved the empire. This makes me kinda sad.

>>134092463
this saddens me and makes me happy at the same time

>>134118641
Buddy even the Polish knew Hitler had no choice don't understand how you can be this retarded,

>>134118641
Leaving his people to be killed raped and murdered isn't a moral high ground its being a coward.

>>134118761
No Franco just didn't want to join the war so he fucked with Hitler. Then Hitler sent Mussolini to try and deal with him and still nothing. Franco had no honor and ended up accomplishing nothing in the long run.

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>>134084365

>>134119404
Oh give me a break, I doubt it was government policy to rape and commit a literal genocide against the germans.

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>>134088508
fuck off jewish puppet

Serbia 100%

>>134119638
Jesus you really are showing how incompetent you are. It was permitted as nothing was done about it. Just as the soviets later did to Germans.

>>134119633
Muh creel campaign

>nobody said Jews

Fuck sake I hate post election /pol/

>>134119638
If ethnic Romanians were being raped and murdered in Moldova and the government did nothing and wanted war with you. Are you really that much of a little bitch to just say hmm let it happen? Even after asking to let the Romanians come home.

>>134120006
/pol/ was ruined during the election not after. Shills and civic nationals flooded the site.

>>134119831
Not doubting there were abuses, but starting a world war on some emotional impulse is idiotic. And don't give me that crap that the germans were pure and saintly. They were driven by pride and overconfidence more than anything, the polish abuses were a good enough excuse. Truth is they both (germany and poland) wanted war, evidence by hitler's previous expansionism.

>>134119638
And if the answer is yes your no true Romanian but a traitor.

>>134120268
He didn't start it Britain and France did.

>>134120268
He started war with Poland and Poland alone. Last thing he wanted was another great war.

>>134120095
No, but if a war with moldova would cause most of the world to go to war with us and make communism a real possibility I would be against intervention. Not to mention, i doubt the abuses and rapes were as widespread as you make it sound like.

>>134120268
They were not overconfident and there is nothing wrong with pride.

>>134120524
You can doubt it all you like but the persecution of Germans in Poland was just as bad as the persecution of Jews in Germany except maybe less justified.

>>134120450
Dude, Britain and France had guaranteed poland, so he knew what he was getting into.

>>134120524
Please you really thing England and France cared out about Poland did you forget the Soviets also invaded Poland and no declaration of war for the soviets. They feared Germany so they tried to stop it from becoming a rival.

>>134120664
Yeah which is why he made a deal with the soviets to invade together just to be safe.

>>134120664
And if France and Britain were just following through with their guarantee they would have also declared war on Russia.

>>134120660
So it was inexistent.

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>>134119633
Woah it's almost like the Germans had done something that would have provoked such a declaration.

>>134120664
Hitler couldn't have known how Jewish controlled the English were and certainly did not expect a second great war to break out.

>>134120918
That's true.

>>134085326
>Germany for... well they mobilized last,

The mobilized a day before the French, though.

>It was basically a must for Britain, France and Russia to go to war against Germany to not drift into economic insignificance.

SO then why were the Germans so afraid of not having a war before the Russians completed their strategic railway network and increased domestic military capacity?

The Germans decided to have a general European conflict because they saw the odds being better for them in 1914 than at any later date. That's why they gave Austria unconditional support in punishing Serbia, urged the Austrians to move quickly so there would be no time for a diplomatic solution, had the most aggressive mobilization plan, and so forth.

>>134120946
Oh yea invading someone who is allowing the rape and murder of your people and refused a diplomatic solution and literally admits to wanting war with Germany sure is a reason for the English to get involved.

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>>134094965
I love how pol autists unironically believe Austria-Hungary was a weak nation.
Austria-Hungary was multi-ethnic, sure, but it wasn't a crumbling empire. The empire's economy was strong, population was growing, factories everywhere, well equipped military.
During peacetime, the Empire was perfect.
But if you fight in a seemingly never ending bloody war for 4 years, you'll start to question the worth of the Empire.
People fought for Austria-Hungary, because they loved it (I don't care about some retarded romanians' shilling, because this is the truth).
Everyone knew that the fall of the Empire won't be a good thing at all, because it will fuck up most countries' economy for good.
But the war was lost, and the Entente didn't want a strong Central European nation. Divide and conquer is a better tactic after all.

>>134121007
Yea it is I seriously recommend you check out the vids I linked. Important to know especially since you guys started with the axis supplying them with oil. Then were forced to switch to the communist then allies.

>>134121278
The Kaiser should have never accepted the armistice

>>134121278
>People fought for Austria-Hungary, because they loved it
Yah maybe you did cuz it's the last time you were relevant.

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>>134121272
You know that shit was a propaganda move right? And the Germans didn't give a fuck about a diplomatic solution, they wanted to invade for Lebensraum. Even if that was true that the Germans were pressing for a diplomatic solution, the Germans seem to be quite autistic and chimped out over a fucking small amount of land.
Of course Poland wouldn't give Danzig, why should they give up their only port whilst surrounded by two hostile powers?

>>134113657
>nearly won

Germany came much closer to winning WWI than they ever did to winning WWII. Hitler's insistence on invading the USSR no matter what meant their fate was effectively sealed as soon as they lost the Battle of Britain; from there it was just a matter of time until the US juggernaut got going and enabled an invasion of Western Europe by the Allies which they couldn't hope to defeat while also balls-deep in the USSR.

>>134121828
Yeah Americans saved you I know. But he had no choice but to invade Russia. And ill remind you that before Russia and America saved your asses you were getting blown the fuck out.

>>134121828
And if America wouldn't have gotten involved you would have surely lost.

>>134121828
But unfortunately just as your government was jew controlled so was ours.

>>134120198
Well it was in the process of being ruined during the election but its almost fully ruined now. I wish the electionfags would assimilate or fuck off

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>>134121685
>implying
Daydream as much as you want Radu, but most Transylvanian didn't want to join your backwards, third-world country. Everyone with a brain knew that you will only use the stronger Transylvanian economy to boost the two shitholes', Moldova's and Wallachia's economies. You pretty much dragged a formally strong territory to Balkan-tier. Good job, your country truly is cancer.
>last time you were relevant
Keep up lying to yourself and act like somebody actually gives a damn about your irrelevant corrupt NATO puppet state. We were relevant in 1956 and in 1989, and even now, since we're pretty much the only one who're trying to stop the shitskin hordes.
What did you do in the pat 70 years? Built a kitsch Parliament, legalized corruption, imported gypos to Western Europe, almost had a muslim bulldyke PM, and hanged a commie.
Good job, please tell me more about relevance.

>>134122023
If Hitler had fought a defensive war against the USSR he probably could have won, as they were famously bad at offensive operations due to poor training and equipment quality - if Finland could do it, then Nazi Germany at its height should be able to pull it off as well. Instead they invaded the USSR, which is generally a bad idea in any scenario (Russia was generally accepted as being too fucking big to invade properly) and on top of that Germany invaded on the pretext of 'we're going to kill all the subhumans and take their clay for German people to live on'. All this achieved was sending the USSR into a mad panic of mobilising literally everyone and everything it could to resist the German invasion - from their perspective they were fighting to save themselves from extermination, which gave everyone a ridiculous will to fight and win no matter what.

None of that would have been an issue if the positions are reversed. The USSR would be fighting with just its standing armies instead of the whole adult male population, and they would lack the motivation that fighting a defensive war brings. Doubly so when things start to go wrong for the invader.

>>134122446
> most Transylvanian didn't want to join your backwards, third-world country.
Yah, I bet they'd prefer to be second class citizens listening to puke inducing hungarian language. People weren't and aren't as materialistic as that, but i wouldn't expect a country such as your to understand nationalism, you don't have anything to be proud of.
>We were relevant in 1956 and in 1989
No, you weren't.
>we're pretty much the only one who're trying to stop the shitskin hordes
Kek, is that some superhero fantasy you have in you head? Are you the saviours of europe?
Romania is the most relevant and fastest growing country in south eastern europe, wich I admit doesn't mean much.

>>134122946
I agree that defense would have been better than offense but they wanted to win fast to not fight a war on two fronts for too long. And they would have won too if the allies hadn't been funding the soviets which came back to bite them in ass later. Which Hitler had no idea about he was genuinely shocked to see the amount of tanks and weaponry the USSR had it didn't make sense but we now know it was the allies who were responsible for this.