Syria General /sg/- Absolute Madman Edition

>>134051856
al nasr li islam
al mwt li amrika

>>134051969
This. /pol/ has always been pro-Israel.

>>134051826
i would but im really fucking lazy, i should honestly look at all the tutorials online and mish amsh till something works.

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>>134051969
>>134051997

there is literally nothing wrong with being a jew
there is literally nothing wrong with being an arab or muslim
world peace is not an unrealistic dream

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>>134052013
A map would be easy to make since we can generate one with the topographic map of syria
UE4 is easy as fuck with the blueprint mode, but when your done you'll need to convert it to regular code to use less copputing power from the pc

>>134052123
>flag

>Security forces defused a car bomb with a suicide bomber on the road of HOMS Tartous

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Zakharchenko declared Novorossiya, DNR and LNR dead. Long live Malorossiya!!

>https://sputniknews.com/politics/201707181055637932-donetsk-malorossiya-ukraine/

>>134052212
well i know how the blueprints work
gameplay wise it would not be that hard, even when counting in ballistics and composite armor and all the different types of tank variants, jsut that it needs time and planning, and then you need animators and 3d modelorsand etc.

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>>134052316
would be just easier to mod arma 3 tbqh

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Ukraine is a failed state.

t. Novorossiya

>>134052316
Set up the framework and define standards for models and animations and people will contribute

>>134052415
im not a good modder, which sounds disapointing cuz im a computer science major, and a big part of that is programming.

>>134052427
why people still use UE4 if it's a shit platform for developpers?

>>134052301
Malorossiya just means bad-russia in spanish LMFAO

>>134052556
its shit? why?

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Is it just me or is the proposed Malorossiya flag really, really, really fucking gay?

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>>134052301
>Little russia
Kek

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>>134051856

DEATH TO TUK TUKs (Turks)
DEATH TO KURDS
DEATH TO SAUDI
DEATH TO THE ZIONIST
DEATH TO THE US
DEATH TO REBELS
DEATH TO THE JIHADISTS
DEATH TO PERSIANS (Kidding, Persian women are cute)
LONG LIVE THE ASSASS DYNASTY
LONG LIVE TO HEZZBOLAH/HEZGIRLS

>>134052603
I dont mind it, but i dont know what it relates to

The DNR and LNR ones had obvious heritage

>>134052593
>>134052112
i'm not informatician so i'm asking

>>134052603
Much better than the Confederate ripoff

>>134052556
It's very good, it's free and accessible. It's the best you can have without spending a dollars

>>134052703
what heritage ?

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I just read William McCants book on ISIS he said Assad gassed civilans in Ghouta wtf is this true?

>>134052738
I'm right at this moment working in UE4 for a uni project and am furstrated that I can't work with my laptop and that getting an .exe out of it is a hassle.
It's my frustration speaking, BP are actually quite nice to get stuff done

>>134052301
Sadly this means nothing. They have already done such a meme move.

>On 5 February 2015, the legislature of the unrecognised separatist Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) adopted a memorandum declaring the DPR to be the legal successor to the Donetsk–Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donets-Krivoy_Rog_Soviet_Republic

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>>134052836
>I can't work with my laptop
hans pls

>>134052781
More like confederate flag is ripoff of russian imperial navy flag desu.

Havent been to a /sg/ in a while, i think the last time i came was the day after Syria was bombed for being accused of gassing their own civilians. Can anyone give a me a quick rundown?

>>134052738
what then? make your own engine?

>>134052820
Maybe that was the wrong word.
But it was based on the Russian flag

This one is totally new to me

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>>134052827
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS !!!!!

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Many are afraid of sleeping and waking up in hell.

I'm afraid to sleep and wake up knowing that Assad lost the war

Reflect on it.

Anyway, I'm going to sleep, / sg /. It's almost 6am here in Brazil.

Good Night, bro(s)

>>134052927
Yeah, but now they declared Malorossiya to be the successor to Ukraine. All of it.

>>134052836
same here, for me the laptop thing didnt work out for me, but i got a new mega rig on steroids with a gtx 970 and 16 gigs of ddr3 ram
its 1 year old and still runs like a beaut

>>134052781
Ruskies were using that flag long before America was a thing.

Ironically the confederate flag used a diagonal so as not to offend Jews in the South. No link to St Andrew

>>134053015
isn't there other engines ?
also why are people using such an old engine ?

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>>134053180
UE4 is not that old m8, compared to source engine...

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>>134052987
quick rundown ?

>>134052820
Based on DKR-SR The black is commonly thought to represent the Black Sea or the coal industry in the Donbass region. The red is thought to represent freedom and the blue is thought to represent water. The flag also features the coat of arms of the republic in the centre.

Not too sure about LPR

>>134052981
Don't really care who used it first, both of them are still hella ugly

>>134052836
im actually considering starting making a GDD for a game i wanted to make but now that i think about it imma start over for a /sg/ original GDD and see where it goes from there, something similar to planetside 2 , as for game engine, im not sure if UE4 would work but the blueprint system attracted me , im doing software engineering/computer science or advanced smart code monkey with a brain or whatever you call it, whats your major?

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>>134053084
Have fun with that

>>134053252
well making a map the size of syria, we kinda need to chop it up to districts, ofc, maybe four? same way planetside 2 continents work?

>>134053252
yeah but computer technologies are advancing fast
UE5 when ?

>>134053252
and yes it isnt that old, if im not mistaken its probably the only engine that is more than above average and that is the cheapest to use.

>>134053382
wait a few years for UE5 mate

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>>134053382
>yeah but computer technologies are advancing fast
Epic games can still update it
>>134053362
one for each governate ?

>>134053507
why not

>>134052603
not so bad, wish the orange was a bit more darker, and the middle white part was smaller desu

>>134052941
when unreal editor crashes all the time i can't work with it. It's annoying to have to sit at home to work

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>>134053353
I will. I live in DPR.
>>134052603
I fucking hate that flag and dislike the whole Malorossiya thing.
Maybe it's autism.

>>134053992
Seems like a rebrand to enable more legitimate ties with Russia?

Ukies will be mad.

>I will. I live in DPR.
So technically you're Malorussian now, and speak Malorussian?

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>>134015640
Åscended One, that was me btw. You can't fuck up the tradition of Maghrebis not giving the Mexican (you)s

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>>134052827
Not Assad, but the SAA most likely did fire a limited amounts of chemical weapons warheads via rocket artillery into the region. The presumed trajectories of the rockets could not have come from anywhere else but SAA held areas.

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> all that talk about going 40 hours without sleep
As far as I know my record is about 62 hours of going without sleep.

When I finished high school, while everyone else was off on surfers paradise getting roofied or sold chalk instead of ecstasy, me and my friends stayed in a shed and played Quake for about a week straight, only stopping to piss, shit and eat, no sleep.
God it fucked me up for a while.

> tfw that was 13 years ago

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>>134054119
Surzhyk = mix of russian + ukranian
Trasianka = russian + belarussian

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>>134054119
It looks like we'll need /ug/ back soon.
But Malorossiya is historically central Ukraine and has nothing to do with Novorossiya.

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>>134054127
/sg/ transcend all barriers of language, race or religion
we're all brothers united under the common goal of seeing Assad winning against the ZOG
no brother should be denied a (you)

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>>134053084
> k-k-kiev by Christmas

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>>134052301

I prefer Novorossiya desu. Is it because they want to detach themselves from past failures under that designation?

>>134053406
Unity is the cheapest

>>134052603
Looks too Dutch, needs bigger lines and more red

>>134054547
how so?

>>134053992
>I will. I live in DPR.
Can you tell us a little about whats happening?

How did you first hear about this?

What city are you in?

>>134054507
Tbh Annexed Crimea and the protected Republic of Novorussya sounds better in my head.
That or simply calling it "Russia"

>>134054265

Oh, it's you again

I told you already, months ago, that the area was disturbed before OPCW inspectors analyzed the area, even you cannot dispute this fact. I don't care what they say about the lattices, the walls, the pot plants etc, there is no definitive answer based on the area being potentially tampered with.

Why do you constantly push this conjecture that on /sg/?

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>>134054265
I would say SAA most likely did not

how is mccain doing anyways? is he dead already?

>>134055104
He lived.

>>134054732
>How did you first hear about this?
Literally from this post >>134052301
>What city are you in?
Currently I am it Torez (or Chystyakove according to Ukraine) east of Donetsk.
>Can you tell us a little about whats happening?
I'm not sure. It just that instead of claiming south eastern Ukraine we claim all of it?
>>134052703
It relates to flag of Bohdan Khmelnytsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohdan_Khmelnytsky

>>134055210
not for long i guess

>>134054650
You don't pay anything for Unity unless you wanna commercialize your work. Unreal is the same though.

Unity has a lot of great assets that would make your job easier, especially with the world map. Gameplay is going to be hard no matter what game engine you use.

I'm a gamedev who'll soon start his own pro studio btw.

>>134055301
Thank you
I thought you may have heard on radio or TV or some local website.

stay safe bro

>>134055301
>The Khmelnytsky Uprising led to the deaths of an estimated 18,000 [2]-100,000 Jews.

I like

>no pause in Raqqa offensive but SDF working to adjust tactics as they adapt to fight, "standard practice", says top commander
So this is the adjusted strategy?
https://twitter.com/SaladinAlDronni/status/887238843535065088

>>134055330
ah i see, i was also interested in game development, but after looking at the market and not knowing where to start i started thinking of robotics for armaments, or data analysis working in a bank.

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>>134055301

>>134055330
what kind of games have you made and what are you aiming for?

>>134055577
I've only nearly 2 years experience with Unity. I made flash games before that, desktop games with Python, dating back 6 years ago when I was in highschool.

I messed around with Unity a lot, PC games, mobile games, then I got an internship at a virtual reality game studio. They made varying stuff like games and interactive experiences, but seeing the success they had and the openness of the market, here I am a year later going to do the same thing. VR is way too open right now, it's no secret, so I preach it around to different people.

So basically, interactive experiences in VR for brands, enterprises and companies.. selling to end-users on platforms like Steam is a dead-end right now because there aren't that many people who dish out good money on VR games at the moment.

I already made the whole business plan, a lot of research, soft launch is in November, until then I travel the world to different conferences, get a clearer idea.

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>>134054265
>UN investigation team is in town
>better fire off some chemical weapons

>>134052827
>ID 9gCS/GaS
>GaS

>>134054970
>Why do you constantly push this conjecture that on /sg/?
Because it's the closest to what I perceive as the proof and it is not conjecture.
Also because it's the end result of an official UN investigation, that SPECIFICALLY takes note of the fact that the locations had been disturbed and SPECIFICALLY disregards those sites as evidence. The two sites they found are SPECIFICALLY ones that were permissible as evidence and the delegation SPECIFICALLY does not place blame on anyone, but objectively states the results of the investigation without any politics.

>>134055096
Good for you.

>الجيش السوري يسيطر على عدد من كتل الابنية شمال غرب شركة اللحمة ويواصل تقدمه من محور "أسواق الخير" ويصبح على تخوم "الكوين مول" بوادي عين ترم
Google translate didn't make sense.
Halp

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>>134055901
you are very naive

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>>134055870
>better fire off some chemical weapons
Tell me Sven, did anyone during the period of this discussion state that the use of the weapons was intentional or planned?

>>134055972
And that is not an argument.

>>134055301
Oh Chmielnicki what a tragic person. Traitor to the Crown and hero to his people.
>How did you first hear about this?
>Literally from this post >>134052301
Topkek

Minutes ago
>Shoigu has opened operative meeting of commanders of Russian army
https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/887240501539336192

>>134055958
>الجيش السوري يسيطر على عدد من كتل الابنية شمال غرب شركة اللحمة ويواصل تقدمه من محور "أسواق الخير" ويصبح على تخوم "الكوين مول" بوادي عين ترم
translation: SAA has taken control of a few housing clusters north west of the meat factory, and continues to advance in the vicinity of a goods market and became capable of over looking al kowayn mall in ein tarm valley

>>134052827
Yup.

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>>134056005
>UN investigation team is in town
>better avoid telling my soldiers not to fire off some chemical weapons

>>134056005
are you implying that they unintentionally fired chemicals?
that's an even more retarded statement

>>134055096
So the rocket remains found at site 1 and 4, were there any indications that they cpntained chemicals?

>>134055958
Syrian Army controls a number of buildings in the north-west of the "meat company" (guess that's the slaughterhouse) and still holds aswaq alkhyr (the good market, fir market?) and is close to the "Queen Mall" (alkuayn mwl) line of Ain Terma
Also sorry for retarded maemae flag, accidentaly changed it when solving captcha.

>>134055833
ah i see, im just a faggot working on a degree, i was pretty unattracted towards working other than school work, and lebanon doesn't have that big of a game industry, at the time i was in school or high school, i've only ever been interested with game dev after looking at how UE4 works when i saw some guy in uni using it, im also not interested in virtual reality but it would be a thing for me if it was in a desert warfare FPS game but seems its not for everybody, would work as feature you can use, but also let keyboard and mouse as well.

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>>134056171

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>>134056331
>lebanon doesn't have that big of a game industry
that hezb game tho

>>134056331
Nobody is interested in virtual reality until they try it.

Oh and btw, the whole Syrian war is a proxy to CREATE KURDISTAN.

I hope you faggots know this, it's my first time in this general.

>>134056260
yes, most likely sarin gas from Libya the "rebels" obtained via Turkey (Seymour Hershes book is next on my reading list), his talk on the book is on c-span it's pretty interesting, at least all the stuff on the rat line

>>134056453
i mean, sure it will seem fucking awesome i will not deny that, but its still too fucking expensive, virtual reality is a must have but you need to have to look for the little people that dont have it,

>>134056190
>better avoid telling my soldiers not to fire off some chemical weapons
Assad cannot personally call in every single soldier in the nation to give them a briefing on the usage of chemical weaponry. Mistakes, breaks in communication and general fuck-ups are very common in militaries, more so in Arab ones.
You're also disregarding the possiblity of Islamist infiltrators, or "double agents" in the ranks of the SAA firing those rockets. This tactic is extremely common with the Taliban in Afghanistan for example, where islamists will join up with the NAA or police, then turn on them, either stealing arms and equipment, or firing on friendlies.

>>134056234
>are you implying that they unintentionally fired chemicals?
I'm not implying anything as I don't know enough of what happened, save for what information was released by the UN team.
>that's an even more retarded statement
You have clearly never been in a military environment. Do not underestimate the stupidity of the common grunt, much less the stupidity of an Arab conscript. There's no serious reason to expect individuals in such a force to necessarily recognize chemical rockets from ordinary ones, especially if they are simply marked by cyrillic letters and the traditional green paint.

>>134056517
But these rockets, even if not fired from government territories, were at least fired, according to the report. Govt story was that they bombed a munitions warehouse. How does that work?

>>134056303
>Also sorry for retarded maemae flag, accidentaly changed it when solving captcha
Lies Bolandi, we know what you were doing. ;^)

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>>134056453
>the whole Syrian war is a proxy to CREATE KURDISTAN.
no, it's purpose is to break the shia crescent, since the revolution and the caliphate failed kurdistant is the new solution found by USrael

>>134056532
>Mistakes, breaks in communication and general fuck-ups are very common in militaries, more so in Arab ones.
If you haven't read it already: http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

Also RuMoD statement in case someone wants to read it/put it through translate:
>https://www.face****.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1957656461143767&id=1492252324350852

>>134056607
>But these rockets, even if not fired from government territories, were at least fired, according to the report. Govt story was that they bombed a munitions warehouse. How does that work?
I believe you are talking of two different cases. The former, with fired rockets was back in 2013 in Ghouta, while the latter case is from Khan Seikhyun whatever.

>>134056453
>I hope you faggots know this, it's my first time in this general.
Better lurk some more

>>134056234
>are you implying that they unintentionally fired chemicals?
Jej, "ooops wrong button!"

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>>134056647
>If you haven't read it already: http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars
I've probably posted that link in these threads more than anyone by now.

>>134056610
Last thing I'd want is to pretend I'm from EU. Just clicked Tab to go to captcha, than "e" to solve it and voila, I'm Tusk.

>>134056648
Oh fuck, I'm retarded. Yeah, sorry

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>>134056673
>have maybe 30 rockets a day to use to support the frontline troops
>Abdul brings in a crate his cousin found with wonky looking ones with a green paint on them
>decide whatever the fuck, they're rockets and fire them in the general direction of the enemy, like always

>>134056303
>al kowayn mall
>Queen Mall
Could green circle be the place?
Wish i knew where the slaughterhouse is...

cheers

>>134056613
>>134056659
I love how western faggots are telling me what's going on in my own geography. And I do love this faggot telling me to lurk more as if this is the only source of information.

Kurdistan will destabilize Turkey, Syria and Iraq, and be a natural ally to Israel, further strengthening its grip in the Middle East. It is a necessary state to exist before an eventual war with Iran.

All this fighting and killing in Syria is a secondary gain, Kurdistan is the primary gain.

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>>134056796
>>134056303
>>134056146
fug

>>134051856

Nth for Tigers to Take Madan.

That would be the nail in the coffin in the race for DeZ.

>>134056532
>Do not underestimate the stupidity of the common grunt,
thanks for strawmanning me
what i meant is
it's retarded to imply that assad would let his chemicals in hands he didn't trust with his life
as if he would give it to grunts that can fuck him over on the international community
if you think that such weapon that are highly dangerous for the troops using them if misshandled, are given away to every half trained militia company and not only to the most elite and diciplined troops, then i have some bad news for your "millitary knowledge"

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Have you autismos stopped chimping out over Trump yet? A few bombs on an empty airfield and it's another shoah for you

>>134056718
Ok, I just got off the phone with Mr. Pootang, he is clearing your next transfer of rubles but he said "Tell him to make sure it doesn't happen again."

>>134056820
>I love how western faggots are telling me what's going on in my own geography
only shows how fucking ignorant you are if you can't even grasp what's going on around you
>hurr durr i invalidate what your saying based on your country and/or race

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>>134056820
stop loving faggots

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>>134056857

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>>134056857
frick off

>>134056829
Yeah, makes sense judging by the frontlines.
>>134056688
Good, that's a great read for anyone wondering "why the hell did he go dual AK?!" or "why would someone put a mortar shell in the mortar the other way around?!"

>>134056779
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, this could have happened, but taking anything the J-UN says at face value no matter how "unbiased" they claim to be is laughable.

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>>134057005

>>134056896
What's going on around me then?

>>134056945
Based Varg

>>134056829
what?

>>134057065
this post: >>134056796

>>134056453
>Oh and btw, the whole Syrian war is a proxy to CREATE KURDISTAN.
>I hope you faggots know this

>>>/pol/ptg
and stay there nigger

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>>134057065
The Queen Mall seems to be the building in green circle on his map and since they say controlling some buildings north-west of it I guess it's something like this >>134057065
Good to have you around for translations!
>>134056875
Ok Mr. Putang, I'm very sorry, I need my rublz and vodka

>>134056820
>western faggots
>thinks he's talking to westerners

>>>/pol/ptg
back to your zoo nigger

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>>134056845
>thanks for strawmanning me
That wasn't a strawman.
>what i meant is
>it's retarded to imply that assad would let his chemicals in hands he didn't trust with his life
And I think it's foolish to assume that in the 2013, delapitated, disorganized state of the SAA that the very top echelon would have effective control on arms and munitions, especially after losing a great amount of those storage sites to rebels and ISIS.
The rebels themselves are in posession of chemical weapons. How could you assume that Assad has control of who and where the weapons are used? It is not a question of "letting" the weapons in hands, Assad does not have such control over the situation, never has had, never will have and never could have had. He is not God.
>as if he would give it to grunts that can fuck him over on the international community
As I said, not his choice.
>if you think that such weapon that are highly dangerous for the troops using them if misshandled,
The rockets are not dangerous for their users. They are in the end, military weapons and as thus are built to military specifications. They must be able to handle neglect and poor conditions.
>are given away to every half trained militia company and not only to the most elite and diciplined troops, then i have some bad news for your "millitary knowledge"
As I said, it is not a question of giving, as the central command has no such control over the country anymore. Weapons have fallen into the hands of rebels in great amounts, there are private militias operating on the frontlines as decisive units and smuggling has never been as common.
I'd like to place even further emphasis on smuggling, there are individuals making great fortunes selling arms and equipment.

>>134057184
>Good to have you around for translations!
im lebanese, arabic is the national language

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>>134057121
>>134057193
pic related needs a france version.

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>>134057007
I don't take them at face value either. I simply deem the likelihood of their statements to be high enough to personally believe. Unlike the mainstream media and Western politicians, I do not condemn Assad personally for the possible infractions of company and battalion level commanders. That would be foolish and dishonest.

>>134056779
>chemical weapons are handled by logistic command like regular ammo
t. i'm a retard that think he has any knowledge on how an army works

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>#SAA expands control from meat market, capturing multiple blocks north of it in east #Ghouta / #Damascus
EUREKA!

>>134051969

/sg/ stands with Israel.

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>>134056857
>ooga booga

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>people start to return Maardas - Taybat al-Imam - Souran - Kawkab - Maan after engineering units finish their missions

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>>134057235
Well, I'd gladly debate you given your knowledge, but there's no point, I agree with everything you wrote..

>>134056857
are you the same guy every thread, or do the monkeys wander in occasionally

>>134056896
Come on Belgian cuck I'm waiting, enlighten me on what's going on.

>>134057244
>he still thinks he's talking to westerners
let me rephrase it
back to plebbit

>>134057364
Reminder that if you see Audi Q7 or similar cars in government areas - it's 90% chance that some branch of mkhabarat is operating in the area.

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>>134057268
>t. i'm a retard that think he has any knowledge on how an army works
Stop arguing like a nigger or feminist. Shouting things or making blatant claims without arguments or evidence do not make you correct.
Please provide me evidence of existing, Syrian military chemical weapons corps, or other similiar units responsible for the deployment of chemical weaponry. Preferably also information on their current state and capabilities. Your statement of "how an army works" is ludicrous. There is no single set of TO&E and doctrines across nations' militaries, much less so when it comes to post-Arab Spring SAA.

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>Wake up in 2 days time
>See this

How react?

>Talks to let #HTS leave #Arsal region near #Lebanon has failed after #HTS disagreed to leave heavy and medium weapons and leave with light weapons towards #Idlib province. #HTS is led by Abu Malek Tali in the region. 2/2

>>134057422
how would you say starting out small would be? im still interested in game dev but im not entirely sure if i want to make it my bread and butter

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>>134057452
I smell a newfag

>>134057477
too slow

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>>134057477
who made this shitty gainz map

>>134057535

Speed is not of the essence if Madan is captured by SAA. They aren't going to capture DeZ from the wrong side of the Euphrates.

Gainz both in Tigers' advance on Suknah and in Ain Terma, Ghouta:
>https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/887245352289677312

No idea how credible is this guy, but it seems that following heavy clashes near Tanf, RuAF carried air sorties on the militants there:
>https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/887230115725312001

>>134057497
You need a bit of money, buy yourself a good work station, get a good workspace, and just put in time. For VR its quite easy, you just need money for a powerful system and the headset, you can find clients quite easily.

For traditional games, just grind your ass until you make a good product, market it a lot, kickstart it maybe and then put it on Steam.

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>>134057603
>wrong side of the Euphrates

>>134057728
well i already have a beasty desktop. do you think i should get a VR set during my visit in canada in august?

>>134057739

Sorry (They) is referring to the SDF. If the SDF don't get to Madan before SAA then the SDF are stuck on the wrong side of the Euphrates with no bridge to cross until a few kilometres out from DeZ.

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Is construction bro here ?

I just found this on Fb. This 14 storey building was built in 14 days using the slip form method, in Damascus.

Could this be a good model for post war reconstruction ?

>>134057235
>
The rockets are not dangerous for their users. They are in the end, military weapons and as thus are built to military specifications. They must be able to handle neglect and poor conditions.
again nice strawman
ofc the weapons aren't going to explode themselves. what i meant is they can cause massive damage to the troop using them if they aren't specifically trained on their use. like for instance taking into account the wind.
>inb4 they can anticipate the migration of chemical clouds but can't differenciate between HE rockets and chemical one


>Assad does not have such control over the situation, never has had, never will have and never could have had
i hope your country never gets WMD if you think that fucking up the logistics of special weapons (bacteriological, chemical, nuclear) can ever happen. this is a national army not your moderate beheader militia
these are not held to the same standard
they aren't stockpiled in the same compounds
everything is made so there's no mix up between conventional and special ammo
they are illegal weapons so bashar would never allow one fuck up on the chain of command
how the fuck can you think that SAA can make gainz against ISIS and FSA and not being able to master the simple concept of taking special measures with failsafe backup plan on handling WMD ?
missmanaging regular weapons is one thing, missmanaging WMD is another

but keep pushing your fantasy agenda

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>>134057883

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>>134057872
Pontoon bridges senpai

>>134057883
14days? jesus fuck thats fast, i bet the guy who is building it has the fund to keep it going, my dad is in realestate construction but the market here in lebanon is dead cuz the economy is in the dumps,
took 3 years to build a 4 story building in the mountains,

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>>134057902

>>134051856

Here is a question /sg/. What is even the point of the base of Al Tanf anymore? It is completely cut off from ISIS so even if the yanks train elite rebel fighters there they have nowhere to go.

>>134057786
I'd reccommend it, only if you gonna take it seriously and develop with it though.

>>134058006
well yeah, thats the main idea, i do want to develop
but my problem with almost everything is i just need a starting point and then i can figure it out from there, in essays, exercises, almost everything i need a starting point and then i can figure it out.

>>134058004
>What is even the point of the base of Al Tanf anymore?
It's better to have a military base in a foreign, sovereign country, than not to have it according to US invaders.
>It is completely cut off from ISIS so even if the yanks train elite rebel fighters there they have nowhere to go.
Not exactly true, they could be transported by air to Hasakah for example.

>>134057950

Pontoon crossings are very tricky and I doubt the SDF have the expertise to conduct them safely. All it would take is ISIS stumbling upon them at the wrong time and you have half your forces surrounded with the other half unable to help.

>>134058106
The burgers control the SDF dawg

>>134057029
Not a war with the main goal of establishing a mountainroach shithole
Lurk more

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>>134058004
leverage

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>>134057883
>commie blocks

>>134057902
>ofc the weapons aren't going to explode themselves. what i meant is they can cause massive damage to the troop using them if they aren't specifically trained on their use. like for instance taking into account the wind.
Wind can be disregarded when you're firing them +10km away and they would not be deployed towards troops not protected by CBRN equipment.
>i hope your country never gets WMD if you think that fucking up the logistics of special weapons (bacteriological, chemical, nuclear) can ever happen.
Sarin is NOWHERE near the level of nuclear and biological weaponry. It's a piece of shit gas that just kills and maims people around the area of its usage. It's little more than an area of denial weapon for any capable military. All it does is make operations in the area a complete piece of shit, because of all the protective equipment required to be worn as well decontamination.
> this is a national army not your moderate beheader militia
This is a delapitated, disorganized, torn-apart, third world, Arabic, wreck of a national army that would have collapsed years ago without Russian aid. Do not compare them to peacetime Western militaries.
>everything is made so there's no mix up between conventional and special ammo
And how do you know this? I asked you already to provide me proof of Syrian chemical corps TO&E and doctrine, yet here you are pulling things out of your ass. The REBELS have these same weapons, the logistical chains and chains of custody have long since been violated and broken to shit.
>they are illegal weapons so bashar would never allow one fuck up on the chain of command
Bashar is not God. He does not have control over individual battalion level commanders. He would not sleep a hour a day if he even made an attempt at it.

>>134057467
>Syrian military chemical weapons corps, or other similiar units responsible for the deployment of chemical weaponry
again strawmanning me while bitching about muh non argument
never claimed there was any unit dedicated to chemical weapon handling (not that it doesn't exist)
you can also have the chemical weapon used by elite troops and not handling them to the flip flop wearing militia that you use as auxiliaries

>>134058004
Blocking muh Iran from using the highway and being a nuissance.

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>>134058160
Hahaha wow I knew you Eurocucks were retarded cuckholds but not this much. Seriously?

Lol shitty general confirmed.

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Stop supporting inferior Arabs and Turks over the righteous Kurds.

They have ruled the Middle East for over a millenia and it has been a shitshow since then.
A century of Kurdish rule will set things right with a healthy and stable growth of nations and our ally Israel's safety assured while the inferior (F)ersians are put in their place.

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>>134057902
>how the fuck can you think that SAA can make gainz against ISIS and FSA and not being able to master the simple concept of taking special measures with failsafe backup plan on handling WMD ?
Because both ISIS and FSA are incompetent, non-state combatants with eternally inferior firepower, no air support, neglible artillery support, poor organization, training and many times motivation.
Why would they not be able to? Why do you think these two things are comparable? EXPLAIN your argumentation and provide evidence. Things are not true simply because you state them to be so.
>missmanaging regular weapons is one thing, missmanaging WMD is another
Sarin gas is nowhere near the same level as biological and nuclear weapons, yet there is gross missmanagement of chemical weaponry, as the rebels are in posession of them.
>but keep pushing your fantasy agenda
What agenda? A search for the truth? Objectivity?

>>134058222

Come to it why is Iraq keen to help the Syrian government out? I would have figured they would be being kept on a tight leash by the US but there is talks of them entering Syria to support regime forces once ISIS is dealt with in Iraq.

>>134057883
It's pretty much the go to construction method for concrete towers, or at least outer walls, so you can bet on it.

Reconstruction success depends more on the model of town planning than the construction methods.

>>134058271
>eurocuck
confirmed amerifat

>>134058106
>Pontoon crossings are very tricky
Hardly. A squad of men with a boat can set one up.
>I doubt the SDF have the expertise to conduct them safely
With US advisors and training, they don't need to have it.
>All it would take is ISIS stumbling upon them at the wrong time and you have half your forces surrounded with the other half unable to help.
Cross first with boats, establish a bridgehead with artillery and air support, then start building.

>>134058271
>eurocuck
not a eurocuck mate
this is the best gen t b h

>>134058365
No, I'm the one cucking you. Rather than lurking this retarded general go read some real news and history, see the real objective of what they are trying to achieve in Syria. I'm from a neighbouring country.

Dumb cunts.

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>>134058342
Iran and US powerstruggle.
The official line is to chase ISIS down in Syria once Iraq is free.

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>>134058271
wow all those mean words you got me convinced now.
>neighbouring country
probably a roach

>>134058552
Yea probably coz they have the highest population, nice primary school maths there kiddo.

>>134058453
neighbooring country? isreal, jordan lebanon iraq or turkey?

>>134058453
so what's the point in spending vast amounts of money to create kurdistan? why would qatar, saudi, turkey, want to create kurdistan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY

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>>134058192
>again strawmanning me
That is not a strawman.
Read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
>never claimed there was any unit dedicated to chemical weapon handling (not that it doesn't exist)
Then what did you mean with
>troop using them if they aren't specifically trained on their use
Perhaps I'm simply misunderstanding here as a troop being specifically trained for chemical weapons usage implies a specific unit for their handling and that's how I understood the statement.
>you can also have the chemical weapon used by elite troops and not handling them to the flip flop wearing militia that you use as auxiliaries
There is no need for them to be deployed with any elite troops. Ordinary units are well capable of handling and using chemical weaponry. The US military is an example of this, with its chemical corps that operated ordinarily alongside common units.

>>134058552
>probably a roach
That's what I was thinking

>>134058186
>Wind can be disregarded when you're firing them +10km away and they would not be deployed towards troops not protected by CBRN equipment.
your logic: CBRN deployed: haha proof that they were used
CBRN not deployed: incompetent logistic doesn't mean chemicals weren't used by """"""accident""""""
not going to waste my time

> It's a piece of shit gas that just kills and maims people around the area of its usage
implying non discriminative weapon that can fuck up everyone in a zone is conventional weapon tier
implying in the context of fighting against militia dug up in cities-fortresses and without access to CBRN equipment it wouldn't be a powerful weapon

>Do not compare them to peacetime Western militaries.
implying if you aren't NATO tier then you're somalia tier
implying basic chain of command is too much even for a 3rd world army
>The REBELS have these same weapons
implying they got them from the government
proxy providers dindu nuffin
what is turkey?

>>134058319
>Because both ISIS and FSA are incompetent, non-state combatants with eternally inferior firepower, no air support, neglible artillery support, poor organization, training and many times motivation.
explain how were they beating the SAA that had air support and organized hierarchy before russian intervention if they're so shit?
>What agenda? A search for the truth? Objectivity?
t. hillary clinton

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>>134058899
>SAA
>organized hierarchy
are you sure about that?

>>134058453
t. le based democratic kurd

>>134058552
>probably a roach
i think so

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what will the Tiger's first words be when he meets Issam at the gates of DeZ?

>>134059032
they agree on a pretty gay pose, or hold hands prancing on top of all the isis bodies

>>134058683
It's very similar to what happened in Serbia with Kosovo. US gained a natural ally in the region, destabilized a natural Russian ally in Serbia, the neighboring countries like Croatia and Albania also gained a natural ally against the Serbs.

Saudi and Qatar will be natural allies with the Kurds, their entire existence have been to undermine the Middle East because they are Israeli dogs. Turkey is complicated, but if you even read the most mainstream news out there you know what's going on in the country, a shitstorm, decades of fighting Kurdish militants there, very recently they have made huge political progress into realizing their state. You need to read local Turkish news and the state of politics there.

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>>134059032
"I'm not Druzophobic"

>>134059032
>shall we commit anal jihad

>>134059119
>a turkish conspirashit
well i'll be damned

>>134058710
what i meant is troops that aren't trained to exclusively use chemical weapons but also conventional ones
thus the possibility of not creating a chemical weapon corps
obviously assad isn't going to tell the world he has trained a corps on chemical weapons and then deny he has planned to use them
>There is no need for them to be deployed with any elite troops. Ordinary units are well capable of handling and using chemical weaponry. The US military is an example of this, with its chemical corps that operated ordinarily alongside common units.
*sigh*
i'll repeat myself
it's not about how hard it is to use them
the reason is to not have them in the hands of untrustworthy troops

>>134059119
Turk confirmed. Show us your flag

>>134058972
comparatively to FSA niggers, not Nazi germany

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>>134058899
>implying non discriminative weapon that can fuck up everyone in a zone is conventional weapon tier
Neither is it mass destruction. Compare the effects of Sarin to a biological agent, like engineered diseases that spread out and can kill hundreds of millions if not contained properly and nukes, that destroy everything in the vicinity, giving radiation poisoning to thousands. Hell, compare it to project Pluto and you'll see what actual mass destruction is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto
>implying in the context of fighting against militia dug up in cities-fortresses and without access to CBRN equipment it wouldn't be a powerful weapon
Yeah, of course.
>implying if you aren't NATO tier then you're somalia tier
Arab militaries are decisively shit-tier. The SAA and its affiliates don't hold a candle to Western militaries, or even the Russian army. There's a reason why they have to cart around their "special forces", like the Tigers to partake in critical operations, because the average units are just not capable or reliable.
>implying basic chain of command
What you suggested, absolute control over the usage of weaponry and logistics by the top echelon is not possible, even for a NATO military. Delegation is a necessity.
>implying they got them from the government
They got some of them from government stockpiles. That itself throws out any notion of the government having control over its chemical weapons.
>explain how were they beating the SAA that had air support and organized hierarchy before russian intervention if they're so shit?
Because the SAA is shit as well, because it lost many units to desertion and insurrection, because planes were destroyed on the ground and the "organized hierarchy" was thrown into chaos. I'll say it again, Arab militaries suck.

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>>134059032
> Issam
Read on RU boards European Union imposed sanctions on him
it's true?

>>134059187
Great ad hominem, this general is beyond hope lol.

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>>134059119

>>134059224
>the reason is to not have them in the hands of untrustworthy troops
Surely you do not consider the Republican Guard, the unit suspected of using chemical weapons as untrustworthy?

>>134059119
>roaching intensifies

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>>134059359
>present stupid theory
>present no fucking proof
>this general is beyond hope lol
okie dokie.

>>134057490
>EVIL L*BANESE BE OPRESSIN US SYRIANZ NIGGA, DEY BEIN RAYCIST N SHIET
Holy shit syrian sunnis are retarded. Is there actually any good reason not to genocide most of them?

Druze living in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights once surrounded an Israeli ambulance used to take an Al-Quaida terrorist to an Israeli hospital and beat him to death.

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>>134059536

>>134059119
show real flag

>>134059536
im sunni and i pretty much hate the rebels, my dad however old as he may be hates the fact that sunnis are being slaughtered, much to my disagreement, him and my brother thinks human rights are universal, even to rebels, sad.

>>134059505
Screencap my post and save it somewhere, look back at it in a few years.

>>134059605
>looks like a drag queen's face photoshopped onto a woman

>>134059618
human rights are a european invention and only apply to whites, muhammed.

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>>134059618

>>134059680
my mom is shia, and i kinda like that they are nationalistic.

>>134059392
Maher's 4th was with the 105th SRG at the time too and they have plenty of military mkhabarat incorporated, I think if the state wanted someone to have chemical weapons, they'd go rather with Maher, than SRG commanders.

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>>134059659
i don't think i will, nostradumbus
>>134059660
will somebody reee this man

>>134058345
I think one shouldn't trust the advice of a Brit on appartment towers.

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>>134059726
I think it's less about wanting and it just happening for whatever reason. From the general political situation, it's clear that the very top brass did not intend for CW to be used, but there are a lot of subordinate commanders and a shitload of corruption below them. If there's one thing I've learned, it's to not underestimate human stupidity and it'd take a lot of convincing to make me not believe Arab militaries to be capable of such a fuck-up.

Kurds are worse that ISIS
reminder

>>134059659
what's your great future-sight that you're bestowing on us

>>134059660
R00d

>>134059618
Generally speaking more east and south you get in the Middle East sunnis get more retarded. I know a leb sunni who's chill despite not being from a rich family (since rich sunnis usually are more likable even if corrupt). Does your dad support h*riri?

>>134059907
worse in what way? military effectiveness?

>>134059119
why is Serbia's """natural ally""" half a continent away?

>>134059672
Human rights don't exist at all.

>Vae victis (IPA: [ˈwai ˈwiktiːs]) is Latin for "woe to the vanquished", or "woe to the conquered".[1] It means that those defeated in battle are entirely at the mercy of their conquerors and should not expect—or request—leniency.

>>134059933
I want every YPG, Peshmerga fighter dead. Kurds have to bow to the Arabs.

>>134059931
my mom's side of the family is entirely shia, until recenly when we have a christian introduction, and we all support hariri, we are also higher middle class.

>>134059319
explain me this: why would he keep something that can be used as smear propaganda against him if he knows that he can't control it fully ?
if he knows his chain of command is incompetent, why not getting rid of something that would benefit his enemies more than him ?
serious question

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>>134059907
Peshmerga are our friends.

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>>134059754
>will somebody reee this man
I got you.
>>134059660
REEEEEEE DELET THIS

>>134060010
human rights are basically a secular religion.

>>134060029
funny story, during the civil war, my parents helped out a kurd and his sister, now they like semi worship us in a way? the guy helps grab groceries for my mom and brings em home, and the sister used to help clean the house with my mom. so killing kurds im not so sure of, but they need to be deported

>>134059871
Sure, agreed. If someone at the rank of Major General is responsible for smuggling weapons BOTH to Hezzies and insurgents in Rastan anything is possible with CWs

>>134059536
>HTS is all the Sunnis
>sunnies are one person
>there are no sunnis fighting for bashar
wew lad

>>134059907
kurds are actually pretty based, its a shame that they cant fuck with Turkey or Iran and that they have to take sloppy ISIS seconds in Syria though

>>134060068
>explain me this: why would he keep something that can be used as smear propaganda against him if he knows that he can't control it fully ?
Because enemies have chemical weapons as well. The same way both Russia and the US still have CW stockpiles, despite never actually planning to use them.
>if he knows his chain of command is incompetent, why not getting rid of something that would benefit his enemies more than him ?
He did. After it became apparent that preserving the capabilities is not worth the criticism.
As soon as politicians in the West started paying attention to the chemical weapons, the Syrian government invited a multinational team to destroy their CW stockpiles.

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>>134060071
wut about YPG/SDF

>>134059933
Islamic state aligns with interest of majority of involved population more than k*rd Rojava tb h

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>>134060136
>the sister used to help clean the house with my mom.
Greentext story on your first sexual encounter with this young Kurdish maiden?

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>>134060192
Just the handful of Finns fighting in their ranks. The rest I don't give a damn about.

>>134059672
>human rights are a european invention and only apply to whites, muhammed.
this is why only whites are being genocided thanks to their own laws
kek

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>>134060235
is in their interests to get ass raped by everyone? kek

>>134059985
You mean Kosovo's? Serbia's ally Russia is right up there lol.

And because wars aren't fought like they are in the middle ages, friendo.

>>134060257
i wasn't even born,
and they were both about late 20s,
also i wouldn't say cute, i'd say a butch

>>134060071
No, they are not. They are a Kurdish militia that seeks to destabilize the Iraqi state. They were created by America as a leash on Iraq.
YPG is exactly the same geopolitically. Sure, they are commies, but that doesn't matter in geopolitics.

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>>134060356
No. They are our friends.

>>134060356
>kurds trying to destabilize
dude, the kurds are the only people in the region looking for a stable home. They care more about stability than any arab, thats for sure.

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>>134060309
>i wasn't even born, and they were both about late 20s
Greentext story on your first sexual encounter with this probably 40 year old Kurdish maiden?

>>134060147
>i cant tell the difference between 'most' and 'all'
Lets be honest, most syrian sunnis support terrorists and/or are pussies running after gibs in Europe

>>134060149
>kurds are based

>commits ethnic cleansing of arabs
>larping anarkiddies
>only under 12 percent of pop and demands half the country
>literally forces women to serve sometimes abducting/forcefully enlisting women into the SDF all for their dank equality maymays
yeah no mate all kurds need to fuck off

>>134060149
What makes you think they are based? They are a little pathetic shit nation, starkly reminding of nations like the Irish, the Latvians or Estonians. All nations that make you puke.

>>134060428
kurds care about kurdistan, which will destabilise the region just like israel did.

If only there was some bosnian in this thread to politely remind you that the kurds must be destroyed

>>134060512
>hating on Irish, Estonians and Latvians
you deserve all the nigger rape you're getting.

>>134060518
>will destabilize the region
No the arabs did that, the kurds only want a stable home. They don't have one, they're constantly harassed and punished by every islamic state around them. If they could actually have their own state and government then they themselves would have more stability than they've ever had.

That's not a bad thing considering how stable "arab" countries have been over the last decade.

>>134060428
They want stability for themselves at the expense of the stability of the region, like the Jews.

>>134060191
>Because enemies have chemical weapons as well.
not a reason when we're talking about sarin
it's not necessary to have them too since it doesn't involve MAD doctrine
all he has to do is stock up on CBRN and play the media if the enemy tries to use it
>He did. After it became apparent that preserving the capabilities is not worth the criticism.
As soon as politicians in the West started paying attention to the chemical weapons, the Syrian government invited a multinational team to destroy their CW stockpiles.
i meant before the war.
either you square up your army and keep the CW or you let the corruption and get rid of that time bomb that will bite you in the ass later

also thank you for your time and arguments i see better your POV on how could CW be used

>>134060493
>only under 12 percent of pop and demands half the country

Oh no turkey literally dindu nuffin and doesn't try to do this in other countries via muslim proxy.

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>>134060568
Was thinking that we could really use a Bosnian lad to do this.

>#BREAKING: Hariri: #Lebanon's army will carry out an operation near #Syrian border
Reminder that it's "FSA" against Nusra with the use of Lebanese army:
>https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/887252268701147138

>>134060589
The Arabs aren't stable no matter what happens, its certainly not kurds fault. Letting people groups who actually want a stable secure self determination have it, is not a bad idea at all. This is their home just like the Arabs have theirs. They didn't come from europe to steal it away. All they want is to have their own government and determine their own fate.

>>134060579
Why? What is likeable of little shits that always complain about former much deserved opression?

And adding to that constant moaning also have shit looks, shit people and shit cities.

>>134060585
show your real flag faggot

>>134060470
>Lets be honest, most syrian sunnis support terrorists and/or are pussies running after gibs in Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Syria
>sunnis in syria 68.4% of the pop
bashar would have lost if it was the case

>>134060709
what does that have to do with anything

>>134060309
>also i wouldn't say cute, i'd say a butch
That's Kurdish females for you mate

>>134060781
everything

>>134060680
>this is their home
Except it's not. The kurds "home" is a small fraction of what they claim.
They want it all, and they'll end up losing it all. Just look at Syria. The majority of kurd controlled territory doesn't have any kurdish population. And what's the first thing they do? rename places to their language, bring kurds to live in places where they never were, etc.

>>134060781
DO IT DO IT

>>134060808
Because you have no actual argument points and you're desperate to find an ad hom way of discrediting me?

>>134060653
Both the Turks and Kurds have no place in Syria. One does not excuse the other, they all need to accept Syria's rightful borders and stop fucking with them

>>134060585
>the kurds just want a stable home
so that "stable home" is half of the nation of syria?
fuck off the kurds quite literally want to federalize syria and effective cut it in three quarters

>>134060684
they're all quite likeable.

>>134057346
>with
Not "behind" or "over" .... dissappointed, familia. Dis-a-ppointed.

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>>134060579
I know right?

Whenever germans like that tend to show up, I almost wish that Mommy Merkel's little plan to destabilize the country and come up on top as the saviour backfires spectacularly.

Imagine if the mudslimes overthrew the government and did a bit of ethnic housekeeping on the cucks, only to get steamrolled afterwards? A proper way to kill two degenerate birds with one stone.

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>>134060709
>show your real flag faggot

>>134060825
The Kurds can have their homes, but they have to submit to the real nations in the area and stop their armed biji rebellion.

>>134056820
Take off the flag, sweetie

>>134060825
They earned it fighting against ISIS, would you rather the leftover ISIS rule that part of the country?

If you want stability why not let the Kurds have their own country so that they can end the revolutionary actions that they commit in other countries?

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>>134060632
>it's not necessary to have them too since it doesn't involve MAD doctrine
Nukes aren't necessary either, but it's highly beneficial to have the chemical weapons, just in case. If your enemy ends up using them en mass and you have none, you'll be at a serious disadvantage.
>i meant before the war.
No reason to get rid of them back then, since surrounding countries have CW and have used them as well. Just look at the Iraq-Iran war on what kind of a shitfest Arab wars can become.
>Another analyst insisted that "In a sense, a taboo has been broken, thus making it easier for future combatants to find justification for chemical warfare, this aspect of the Iran–Iraq War should cause Western military planners the gravest concern."[11] The Iran–Iraq War failed to reach a military conclusion despite Iraq's use of chemical weapons. Roughly 5% of the Iranian casualties were caused by chemical weapons.[12] The toll may surpass 90,000 though, according to Iranian experts, since the latency periodis as long as 40 years.[13] In August 1988, Iran finally accepted a UN ceasefire plan. One of the factors that led to this decision was the fear of chemical attacks against Iranian civilians, since Saddam had used them against civilians in the past and that caused "no major international outcry".[14]
>either you square up your army and keep the CW or you let the corruption and get rid of that time bomb that will bite you in the ass later
Not much the government could have done to get rid of corruption. Syria is far too multicultural and there are far too many foreign interests focused on the country. War has always been inevitable and sectarianism is going nowhere.
>also thank you for your time and arguments i see better your POV on how could CW be used
Thanks to you too.

BAKING FRESH SOON

>>134060853
>so that "stable home" is half of the nation of syria?
>half
Who said anything about half? They're currently fighting ISIS, not the Syrian government.

>>134060833
what do you think you'll see?

>>134060977
That's very nice of you