Obamacare

Sure:
In western, majority white countries, a majority of people who suffer health problems are SELF-INFLICTED.

>Heart disease
related to obesity
>Lung cancer
related to smoking
>Drunk driving/other related drinking problems
related to drinking

Basically: I'm a young healthy man who works out, eats well, etc.

I don't need insurance. I don't need to be on the same bill as old people, obese people, women, etc.

There's a reason Obamacare is marketed to young people. We're supposed to be paying the bills.

Obamacare is a tax on healthy people and rich people. That's all it is.

The only people who benefit don't pay into Obamacare (read: welfare or medicaid), because they're getting tons of free healthcare that those of us who are healthy are forced to pay for.

I would say it's not a left or right issue but it clearly is.

Poor people vote democrat. Rich people vote republican.

Rich people want to keep more of their money. Poor people want the rich's money.

Also healthy/young people should be against Obamacare but our media and government is so wracked with disinformation that Obamacare was successfully marketed to young people.

>>134032368
Interesting - but why is it such a "disaster?" Why do premiums go up if more people are paying into it? My little brain can't wrap itself around this

>>134032593
>Why do premiums go up if more people are paying into it?

More people aren't paying into it. Many of the healthy people who used to have insurance (me included I'm a student) cannot afford Obamacare.

I believe Obamacare gained 21mil new coverages and lost 14mil.

So a 7 mil increase. Many of whom are NOT healthy-rich people.

More unhealthy people on insurance? That means insurance rates will go up.

I have to pay $6k before I can get monthly payments for coverage. Where does that 6k go? Not to me. I haven't been in a hospital or doctor's office in 15 years

That money goes to all of the obese people who couldn't afford coverage before Obamacare.

I actually could rustle up 6k to get insurance, but I don't feel I need it and I don't feel it's fair to be on the same bill as someone who's 700lbs when I'm in the gym 4-5 days a week, don't drink soda, and eat healthy home-cooked meals.

>>134032593
One reason is that it's now illegal to discriminate against preexisting conditions.

Its named after a nigger

Obamacare is massively underfunded, but hey what is a few extra Trillion dollars when you're already drowning in $21 trillion worth of debt?

>>134031849
I am a healthy 28 year old white male who has my own business and bring home around $40k a year so I'm not rich at all. My insurance is as follows

>$7500 deductible
>out of pocket scripts up to my deductible
>same thing for doctor visits
>cost $200 per month
>they are saying to expect a 20% increase for 2018

What the fuck people. How can anyone like this? Sure the dirt poor people who don't work (like my aunt) can get killer insurance for $5 a month and shit but anyone who makes just a little gets fucked hard.

>>134033321
Obese people and poor people like it.

For the rest of us - just another tax.

We already have welfare for everything from higher education to housing. Why not healthcare too?

What are you a bigot? You hate fat people?

I know I am..

>>134032593
Because they want to force healthy people to pay the medical bills of unhealthy people. One of the key concepts of insurance is there is a pool of average people who aren't sick that pay into a pot over a long period of time. When someone in that pool gets sick, money goes to that person. Since most expensive illnesses are rare and most people might get a serious illness maybe once every couple decades, the math works out.

Obamacare lets anyone join the pool, even if they're already sick and even if they haven't actually put any money in the pot effectively making the system impossible and so to make up for it, basically healthy people have to put way more money in the pot.

>>134033484
I am a recovering fat (lost 90 pounds in a year) my diet is crazy heathy in comparison to what most Americans eat. Haven't had soda in over a year. The thing is though even when I was fat as fuck and eating fast food 4 times a day I did not spend a lot of time in doctor offices or hospitals (I've been to the doctor once in 3 years and tb was for the flu, never been to the hospital). Maybe it's because I'm still young, either way Obamacare fucks over the average working person way more than the system in place before. Sure it helps bottom feeders more, but fuck those people they aren't even trying to help themselves.

>>134033636
So then it is the injection of Communism into our healthcare system?

It is really quite simple, and ingenious. The left wants to destroy the middle class, the bedrock of any true republic. And when i say middle class i mean the REAL middle class, those who do not rely on the government or corporations for their livelihood, and are thus truly free to make the best decisions for the country. Self employed people, small buisiness owners.The ACA is good for the working and non working poor, as they get free healthcare, and good for the people that work for big corporations, as they will still get insurance. The middle class, the self employed, have lost all hope of getting health insurance. Premiums are $1000 per month with massive deductibles, literally unpayable. So the middle class will either be bankrupt and forced into poverty or will be forced to quit their small businesses and professions and join a large corporation, where they will be easier to control.

>>134033980
Can you explain how it is good for the poor? Is insurance free under Obamacare if you prove that you make under a certain amount?

>>134033484
So who's going to pay for your health insurance when you're old and premiums are like $10k/month by then?

>>134033840

Your fat logic of hurrdurr fat and healthy is fucking retarded. Unless you have visible collar bones or striation of muscle you are still a fat fuck.

>>134034103
>Is insurance free under Obamacare if you prove that you make under a certain amount?

Just like any other kind of welfare.

Apparently single mothers (welfare obv) really benefit from Obamacare, but if an adult male is in the household, your allowance goes down...hmm really makes you think.

>>134034200
You will sonny boy. This is the great system we have in place. Social security. Medicaid. Old people get free shit. You pay for it.

>>134031849
forced to pay for crap I dont want

>>134031849
You should not pay for my health care. I should not pay for yours.

>>134033314
Nobody is drowning in $21 trillion worth of debt. Uncle Sam's deficit is irresponsibly small.

>>134034280
Medicare doesn't kick in until 65. You'll most likely be needing healthcare before then.

>>134034222
Holy fuck can you project any more? I literally said one of the main reasons was the fact that I was not experiencing healthy issues was due to my young age. I am well aware at what would have happened if I had kept up the fat life.

>>134034222
Fuck off you literal idiot. He said he's dropped 90 pounds which means he's progressively dropping the weight. He didn't say he's healthy he said he eats healthy, hence his weight is dropping. Why the fuck are you so triggered at the thought that there MIGHT be a fat person on the internet? Fucking read!

>>134034384
>You'll most likely be needing healthcare before then.

Maybe so, but then again it should be cheaper by then. I'm healthy. The average millennial is going to die younger than their parents.

What a sad statistic. With the wealth of knowledge and medical advancements we should be able to keep people alive longer. But we can't because people are killing themselves via food addiction.

I have nothing to do with obesity, I should not be forced to pay for it. End of story.

>>134034103
My wife's mom doesn't work, she's just lazy no health issues, and when her husband recently lost his job she signed up for obama care, they got it for $5 a fucking month. That's with coverage like 3 levels better than my shit coverage that cost m $200 a month for a single person.

People like me can amass unquantifiable amounts of data to manipulate entire races of people.

I'm like the George Soros of hacking.

>>134031849
Insurance isn't for sick people. You honestly think it's reasonable for you to pay $19 a month or whatever and receive thousands of dollars of medication? Why would they cover you with a pre-existing condition? Why do you hate capitalism?

Mandating everyone have insurance or be fined is a pretty slick way of increasing the overall insurance coverage though, gotta give it to Barry.

>>134031849
Our families health insurance went from under 10,000 a year for 3 people to over 30,000 a year

>>134032593
It's a disaster when people had healthcare through their work have
>>134034880 THIS
happen

>>134032368
that makes very little sense since the poorest states vote Republican every time. Celebrities are rich and vote dem, several billionaires are liberal i mean dude come on.
The concepts and conclusion you have i agree with but lets just remember that most poor people do not vote for Democrats and most rich people do not vote for Republicans. I believe it may be mixed a lot between classes. It's better to look at social groups instead.

Without Obamacare, I'd be dead.

You tell me if that's a good thing.

>>134035121

Democrats would never win an election without their base of impoverished inner city niggers and beaners

>>134035232
>You tell me if that's a good thing.
yes

>>134035121
>that makes very little sense since the poorest states vote Republican every time.

The most Republican state is still at least 40% Democrat.

Also red states give more to private charities. You know. The ones that help people in need. Not the mob-like government that promotes social engineering via welfare mandates like "single mothers get MORE welfare than a family with a father included"?

>Celebrities are rich and vote dem, several billionaires are liberal i mean dude come on.

And yet "Republican" states give more to private charities. Celebs will be at the top no matter what, they will be at the top in a socialist or communist country regardless of how fucked the middle class is.

> just remember that most poor people do not vote for Democrats and most rich people do not vote for Republicans. I believe it may be mixed a lot between classes. It's better to look at social groups instead

This is wrong. 60% of people who earn over 40k/year vote Republican.
60% of people who earn under 25k/year vote Democrat

Hmm really makes you think

>>134035121
If you click the image of the first sticky post on /pol/ you'll find you've just committed a logical fallacy, namely the bandwagon fallacy.

This essentially means a group of people having an opinion doesn't have any bearing on the fact of the matter.

The more you know!

>>134035232
Sucks you're still alive

>>134035378
Well then to hell with Obamacare.

If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die by starvation.

Or bullet wounds.

Or stabbing.

Or car crash into the entrance of a supermarket.

>>134035487
Not the same guy, but I wish I was dead, does that count?

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>>134031849
As someone who generally doesn't know, it seems to me:
the left
>THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!
the right
>HE'S A FUCKING NIGGER!!

>>134035232
Either you or your parents were irresponsible, sorry you died faggot.

>>134032368
All truth.
Please pay your insurance premiums, younglings. My decades of heavy drinking has now morphed to obesity and I still haven't quit using tobacco.

>>134035524
>If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die by starvation.
Statistically speaking you'll either be shot by a nigger or die of a heart attack you fat piece of shit. Personally I hope both at the same time.

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>>134034609
>it should be cheaper by then
The delusion is strong.

>>134035640
Same.

>>134033244
/Thread

>>134035602
Can't say I didn't try.

and I had such a clean track record, too.

Total waste of time and energy, really, find yourself another chump.

>>134031849
Is that a Hindenburg Janoy in the mirror?

Holy fucking shit, when will the United States (the best country?) catch up with the rest of modern society and just socialize health care - oh wait that would destroy the Health insurance industry and they have a shitload of lobbyists in Washington D.C.

>>134035702
I was joking because all of the millenials are going to die out at 40-50 from obesity.

Obviously costs are skyrocketing. That's why I'm
1) healthy
2) don't pay insurance
3) against socialized healthcare

>>134035880
Good retard *pats your head* wouldn't want those poor health insurance megacorporations to lose profit!

>>134035695
Jokes on you.

I'm not on obamacare.

>>134035822
>socialize health care
>300 million people
>almost majority nonwhite
that's gonna go well mate, good luck

>>134035121
>poorest states vote republican
>states with the highest population of blacks

gee i wonder why they are so poor

>>134035822
healthcare insurance? the most fair system?

we have the best healthcare in the world. i dont care how much it costs as long as i can get it when i need it.

i dont need it, so i dont have insurance.

most healthcare issues are self-inflicted.

>>134035950
don't want obese people getting free healthcare either *pats your plump unsightly stomach*

>>134035984
Personally I suggest we revoke Social Security for the baby boomers and fund heatlhcare, it would pay for it 10x's.

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>>134034384
Save your own fucking money that you earned in your youth. Don't just blow it all in your twenties/thirties/forties.

>>134036081
I'm not personally familiar with your social security but to do something like that on a federal level just won't work. Let the fucking states work it out, that's what the cunts are for.

>>134036081
yeah let's get healthcare for the boomers.

us, young people, definitely need lots of healthcare.

i guess..those of us addicted to food/alcohol/drugs

>>134036081
How about people take care of their own families like they did in the past

>>134036219
I agree but the Federal government (since our Civil War) controls everything.

Medical professionals need to get some UBI or some shit.

ollooloololloolooloolloloololool

>>134036275
learn2read

I hate boomers, fuck em.

>>134031849
i want to cum on her feet

>>134036275
we can't do that because then people would actually need dads.

REMINDER: single mothers get more money from welfare than actual families with a father.

>>134036303
Probably why nothing works :^)

>>134036329
ok then let your parents starve to death
I dont give a shit

>>134036366
Definitely.

>>134036404
that's actually fine with me

>>134031849
left loves it cause its free gibs to degenerate democrat voters

right hates it cause they pay for those gibs

>>134036351
this destroys the black family unit, and this is why 74% of black children grow up without a father.

>>134031849
Dems pass bill on partisan vote
Dems back load flaws in bill so the hit after obama out of office
Bill has flaws but Repubs won't help fix because it they weren't part of it
Timebomb is going off and it will collapse

Don't pass major legislation on partisan lines

>>134036728
sad to see but our government is definitely in the business of fucking up families for more control

>>134033980
Honestly I'm always surprised you guys have such a hard on for no taxation without representation yet somehow missed the parasite destroying corrallary "no representation without taxation". Like fuck that was the original point of the republic

>>134031849
>the left loves it and the right despises it

Because it's not called "Romneycare"

>>134036320
t. Not a medical professional.

I just support educated doctors, which I am not.

>>134036977
Rare? Also checked

>>134036983
haha disregard that

I SUX COX

>>134036574
How is it free gibs if everyone has to pay for it

>>134037120
>Rare?

American poster on vacation

>Individual Mandate
>Government strongarming healthy young people into buying insurance they dont need

god bless america

>>134034222
Eat shit you roided asshole hows it feel to have a 1/2 inch pecker and BB balls? go suck a dick muscle fuck we know who those muscles are for and thy don't have vaginas lol faggot.

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>>134031849
More welfare. Ensures Democratic power in politics by making being a single black mother with 14 kids by 14 different fathers a viable life plan. You might have heard the "50% of births are covered by Medicaid!" shit the left is spewing, which means that 50% of births in this country are from women who can't afford to feed themselves.

Also Obama let Karen Ignagni write the bill. She leads the insurance company lobby. Stupid.

Also, little known fact, personal injury attorneys (the ones who advertise 'have you been injured by x medication') are one of democrats' top 3 funders, over big pharma, over oil, over everything. This is why you didn't see tort reform. A doctor has to pay roughly 20% of his income as malpractice insurance because these human leeches sue doctors, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies all the time over BULLSHIT and win because people in their firms work in the mayors office or some shit. Nobody will touch them though because they have a shitload of money and they will crucify whoever tries to.

>>134035950

The vast majority of healthcare-related price increases are from hospitals, medical equipment companies and pharmaceutical companies charging an arm and a leg. Health insurance is merely a reflection of what those other three groups are charging for their services. Think about it - health insurance companies are on the hook for those $25K overnight hospital stays and the prescriptions that cost $3K per month and the expensive treatments using the latest version of the Super CAT Scan 9000.

Any legislation that only addresses health insurance will do nothing to slow down the rising prices of healthcare in America because health insurance prices are merely the symptom, not the cause.

>>134035822
It's not just the lobbyists. The medical and insurance industries are huge employers and many of those jobs are unnecessary. Think about this, the average hospital has about as many people working in the billing department as it does beds. Now suppose the US switches over to a socialized system tomorrow and radically simplifies the billing process. Hundreds of thousands of decent paying jobs have just been made obsolete. Economically, the indirect effect is worse because even more people will later be fired as those former medical billers stop shopping and paying their bills until they can find new jobs.

No politicians wants to say that he destroyed thousands of jobs in his district and caused a recession.

>>134037950
Most of the administrative jobs at hospitals are affirmative action hires enforced by the government.

>>134037816
yeah hospitals and doctors overcharge because insurance companies pay the bill, people aren't paying the bill directly, easy to jack up the price. of course insurance companies have to raise prices.

but Obamacare makes it much worse by adding people who are obese, smokers, drinkers, etc. to the pool of moderately healthy people who now have doubled or even tripled costs to absorb the unhealthy people. and sometimes healthy people cant afford Obamacare so they just forego healthcare altogether taking money out of the pot for insurance.

>>134037950
>radically simplifies the billing process

Obamacare tried to do that. I work in a hospital. You have no fucking idea how much more complicated trying to 'simplify' things made everything. We had to double our clerical staff.

>>134038221
>We had to double our clerical staff.

Yeah to hire more women who basically do nothing. More "office" workers in a hospital doesn't seem efficient.

Obamacare increased hospital costs and insurance costs. So obviously the overall cost goes up. Efficiency is not the government's forte. If that's even the goal.

>>134038211
>yeah hospitals and doctors overcharge because insurance companies pay the bill, people aren't paying the bill directly, easy to jack up the price. of course insurance companies have to raise prices.

You're a fucking idiot and have no idea what goes on. Doctor's payouts have been decreasing, insurance companies dictate the payouts. Thousands of doctors went out of business because of Obamacare.

32yo. Never used the hospital. After Obamacare my insurance cost increased from $68/month to $160.

>>134038395
>Thousands of doctors went out of business because of Obamacare.

We have a shortage of doctors.

Less people are becoming doctors. More of our population is older. More women are becoming doctors who take time off for kids and work less hours than men on avg.

You're absolutely wrong.

Many doctors don't accept medicaid because reimbursement rates are not as good.

Yeah OBVIOUSLY insurance rates go up. You're adding millions of unhealthy people and taking healthy people away from the insurance pool.

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>>134032368
>SELF-INFLICTED
These are self-inflicted in ways in which many environmental factors predispose people to unhealthy behaviors.
For instance, we give people shit education about nutrition and then surround them with soda ads. They choose to consume too much soda. This results in heart disease, premature deaths, and an obesity epidemic. I think anyone with some sense will observe that it's expecting too much of people to think they will overcome barriers that surround them. Our role in creating a healthy society is to create a healthy environment where people can get good health care and are not surrounded by soda advertising. America has failed at this so far because despite being the wealthiest large country in the world, its health sucks terribly. The rich get most of the benefits of high-tech health care; the poor get little. The result is that American life expectancy at the moment is DECREASING. Do you hear that? DECREASING!!
This is a shit situation and Trump's health proposal would only have made it worse. Fortunately there are enough Republicans around who actually care about Americans and not just about rich people.

>>134038221
>>134038211
Take a look at BLS data from the past few years. There's a category called "Health care and social assistance" and it's been the fastest growing source of decent paying jobs in the county. Overpriced medical care is a giant public works project.

Here's what's bullshit. If I'm going to be taxed either directly by the government or indirectly through increasing insurance premiums, then I at least want something good to come out of it. At least when the government taxes me to build a road there's a road I can use at the end of the day. Hospital admin jobs don't even have a tangible return.

>>134038614
>They choose to consume too much soda.
>choose
This results in heart disease, premature deaths, and an obesity epidemic.

So warnings on Mtn Dew then?

>Our role in creating a healthy society is to create a healthy environment where people can get good health care and are not surrounded by soda advertising.

So remove Mtn Dew entirely?

>America has failed at this so far because despite being the wealthiest large country in the world, its health sucks terribly

Yes poor people tend to be less healthy, eat more junk food, etc. Isn't that their choice? Isn't it my choice not to pay for their choices?

>the poor get little.

They make their choices I make mine. I'm not an obese unhealthy alcoholic.

>The result is that American life expectancy at the moment is DECREASING. Do you hear that? DECREASING!!

Yeah I'm upset about that too. People are choosing to become alcoholics, etc.

Do we remove their free choice?

>>134038372
>Yeah to hire more women who basically do nothing. More "office" workers in a hospital doesn't seem efficient.

Again, you really have no idea what goes on in hospitals. A single patient visit under Obamacare takes roughly 2-5 manhours to process. Couple that with the fact that you have maybe 30 patients moving through a single physicians office in a single day and you suddenly have 90 hours of work to complete in 8. All of those people are working nonstop. The hospital work environment is NOTHING like normal corporate work environments.

>>134031849
is that really who she slept with?! wtf man... celebrities have some sick fetishes

>>134038583
You're wrong. I'm in medical school. Both of my parents are doctors. Everyone I know works in medicine.

>>134038925
>A single patient visit under Obamacare takes roughly 2-5 manhours to process.

Okay we agree government healthcare is terrible an inefficient.

>The hospital work environment is NOTHING like normal corporate work environments.

It is though. Sure there are people at the bottom who work hard. But you gotta have managers and a chain of command. That's where the useless additions come in. It's just part of the scum government/corporate manifestation of inefficiency.

>>134039128
The statistics disagree with "everyone you know who WORKS in medicine" funny they all WORK in medicine and aren't out of a job huh

We have a major shortage of doctors its fucking common knowledge

>>134039130
If you're talking about administrators, yeah that's like a corporate work environment but that's usually only about 10 people whereas what I'm talking about is hundreds of people doing clerical and billing and dozens doing accounting.

>>134039356
>only about 10 people

Only about 10 people making 6 figures

One think that Obamacare does that's absolute unadulterated bullshit is that it REQUIRES, under penalty of taxation that people buy insurance. Requiring that people pay the government is one thing. Requiring people to enter into a contract with a non governmental agency for simply existing is serious garbage.

More importantly, this precident is just begging to be exploited, and I expect it to happen in the future.

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>>134038877
>So warnings on Mtn Dew then?
Create a safe environment for people so they're not encouraged to overconsume unhealthy or dangerous products. I don't know the best solutions, but I know what a safe environment looks like overall. How about:
- more tax on soda so people buy healthier drinks in preference.
- limits on container size
- bans on soda advertising
- limits on how much store space can be for soda (atm it's usually a whole supermarket or drugstore aisle)
- health education measures that promote understanding the causes and effects of obesity
- warnings on soda packaging
- maybe even plain packaging for soda so people don't think it's cool and healthy.

This has worked for cigarettes in places like Australia, where I think just about everyone agrees the approach has been extremely beneficial for Australians. Basically the same approach would be a good idea for all substances that, if consumed in moderate or large quantities, are basically pretty dangerous. This reduces the cost of healthcare for the whole society too, so everyone wins, as I see it.

Does this make sense to you too, anon? Try thinking about the problem from the perspective of the whole nation or the whole society rather than from the perspective of yourself or other single individuals.

>>134039356
Also if you're talking about hundreds of people doing clerical you're in a huge hospital and you and I both know there are more useless managers than just 10.

>>134039464
>Create a safe environment for people so they're not encouraged to overconsume unhealthy or dangerous products
safe by who's standards? yours? do you even lift? do you eat junk food? sugar drinks? fuck you loser.

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Old enough to remember when Obamacare was supposed to reduce use of the ER.

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>>134032593
Because this.

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>>134039562
>safe by who's standards?
This should be an easy one to solve. Let's create a social consensus around what human health expectations should be. How about something like:
- not dying early from unnecessary diseases brought on by consuming unhealthy stuff (like lung cancer)
- living with a full range of mobility to a ripe, old age
- living without creating a high burden of health-care costs on the rest of society.

I don't think you care about the answers to the other questions you ask, but I do lift. I don't eat junk food (I cook for myself mostly with fresh vegetables making up most of my diet). I don't drink soda or add sugar to coffee but I do drink wine and beer. I want to live in great health to a happy, old age. Fortunately, I've had the education to be able to make good, informed decisions about my future (including an Ivy-League education). I want everyone else to have the same opportunity.

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>>134039128
>>134038583

>>134039130
Obamacare primarily expands the private system. That's the reason the insurance companies were for it in the first place. It added regulations that required more documentation and more paperwork that has to be filled out and it requires all of that for more people. That's why more administrators were needed.

The irony is that in other countries with socialized medicine, there are fewer people required to take care of the administrative process because there is less bullshit paperwork and functions like billing are handled more directly. Obamacare managed to take the worst parts of capitalism along with the worst parts of socialism and then put them together in a big fat mess.

>>134039940
>I want everyone else to have the same opportunity.

I'm so smart I went Ivy League

Normal American? Too dumb to make own decision. I need to rule over them with my superior brain. Take away/limit soda like they are children. Control all substances down to the microcosm of each singular individual, micromanaging each one (surely this will work) to ensure each has the optimal intake. With my superior Ivy League brain.

>>134040025
>Doctor crisis in ONE TINY AREA (probably mostly medicaid recipients, so doctor reimbursement rates are lower).

Kind of anecdotal don't you think there friend?

I'm talking a nation wide shortage.

>>134040067
Nah you're wrong insurance is much more efficient than something like the NHS in the UK. They're also more fair. Introduce the government - instant inefficiency and unfairness.

>>134039940
Sorry but if you think an Ivy League education is required to make the choice to eat right and exercise you're autistic, and that's a clinical diagnosis faggot.

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>>134040088
Ominous digits.

I had a good education. I wish everyone else could have a better education and learn how to look after themselves well. But realistically, this isn't in reach, so we need to create safe environments in which humans can flourish. This means not giving them access to nuclear bombs, anthrax, ebola, cigarettes, dirt-cheap soda in 20 gallon bottles, and other stuff that fucks up people's lives. Let's just create a basically safe environment in which everyone can live well and be happy. I don't think it's too much to hope for. I really don't get why people would advocate for a user-pays system that is bad for the majority unless they're selfish people who dislike other Americans and don't care for the majority of people.

>>134040425
So how do you limit each individual's intake of soda?

Did you need an Ivy League education to make the decision to eat right and exercise?

You're a complete faggot b tw

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>>134040372
>an Ivy League education is required to make the choice to eat right
My point is the opposite. I was lucky with my education. Most aren't. I think we need a system that protects the majority and not just the handful of lucky, rich brats who go to overfunded colleges. We need greater fairness and equity in health performance across the US in general. At the moment, health is going backward in the US. This is completely fucked.

>>134040589
Health is going backwards due to people's choices and addictions.

I can tell you alcoholics are more likely to be obese. Hmm hmm some correlation.

Hmm..bad choices hmm...make better choices???

Nah. My Ivy League education makes me special. I can TRULY think and make choices. Not everyone can do that. Better regulate it.

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>>134040259
In a pure private market, then maybe that would be the case. The reality is that health care is not the free market. Admin costs are super high, but create jobs so we're stuck with a shitty broken system.

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>>134031849
>posting the weak stuff

>>134040890
sure it's not a pure private market but creating useless, expensive jobs for the sake of creating jobs is not a good move either.

in a hospital i don't want half of the staff to be some sort of administration. i want them to be medical professionals

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America needs a healthy attitude about death. It is happening to everyone. A heart attack looks a lot more attractive than terminal cancer.

>>134040921
proof?

>>134032368
>Basically: I'm a young healthy man who works out, eats well, etc.
This is all there is to it, really.
I fit into that category, and have not had health insurance for years. I thought it was going to burn me when I needed my appendix removed. I was freaked the fuck out, I knew what was happening, and the cause, but did not have the many thousands of dollars "required" for the surgery. I was at my job (self employed contractor) and sat down for a minute to think it though... At the end of my work day I made my way to the closest Adventist Hospital ER. I walked in, and was upfront with them about everything. I told them of my pain, my financial situation, and of my lack of health insurance. They did their tests, and confirmed my suspicion. They did not care that I had no insurance, and not an assload of cash on hand. They put me in a beautiful room, that I shared with nobody, it had it's own TV, and restroom. They said I would need to wait until the morning for my surgery. I was still freaked the fuck out, as I heard a lot of rumors that this surgery would cost me about 40k. At about 10pm, my surgeon walked in. Asked me about my life, and my current pain. asked me about my lack of insurance, and said
>You don't go to the doctor much, do you?
I said "no"
He smiled, touched my head, and said
>You'll be fine tomorrow.
I have never in my life experienced such relief. Everything he said to me, and the way he treated me made me feel like it was not going to be all that bad.
In the morning, I had my surgery. When I awoke, there was many cans of ginger ale, and jello waiting for me. They put me back in my room, and said I should order even more food off the hospital menu. I declined, thinking about the cost. They recommended to me that I stay in the Hospital for another night. I declined, thinking about the cost. They tried to give me painkillers in my IV. I declined, thinking about the cost.
cont.

>>134040425
I actually agree with this. Soda is as deadly as cigarettes when consumed to similar levels/frequencies. Everyone talked shit about that cigarette exec who compared cigarettes to twinkies, but its true! Soda, McDonalds, etc. should all be regulated/taxed/something to influence a reduced consumption. And this is coming from me, who is a right-wing, anti-regs hardliner. This just makes sense

>>134037950
>expecting the government to simplify anything
ha, cute

>>134040921
m-moar

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>>134040694
>Hmm..bad choices hmm...make better choices???
Put a seven-year old kid in a food desert where most people don't know much about home cooking and they'll grow up with an addiction to candy and soda. This is pretty fucking obvious. I don't even blame the kid. I blame the people like you who want to blame the individual, even though the individual isn't up to the task of protecting themselves in all possible ways. It's the same reason why we don't let just anyone play with anthrax. It's just dangerous!

>So how do you limit each individual's intake of soda?
By reducing availability, increasing cost, and reducing normal portion sizes (like when the standard soda at McDonald's was 5oz). Does this seem hard or ideologically intolerable to you? Even someone like Michael Bloomberg could see the public health sense in taking measures like this.

Ps -- I just got banned so am posting from a phone hotspot. I'm the Ivy-educated fag.
Mods are faggots who ban people with dissenting views. /pol/ is becoming a circlejerk hugbox that's even worse than 8ch. There's no fucking open speech here anymore.

>>134041128
I left that Hospital thinking I was going to be in debt for years, because of this silly surgery, that I didn't even fully understand why I needed. Went to my local favorite burger joint, and got a double bacon cheese burger, smothered in red chili because I had not eaten in quite a while. The entire time I thought about the debt I just racked up, and was wondering how I would pay for it. Thinking about all the things I could buy with wall that money, like a new truck, or a down payment on a home. Dreading the moment when the bill would roll in.

I got the bills. My entire stay, and the surgery was less than 1k. I payed it, and have not been back to the ER, or doctor since. I really don't understand how people get into such a bad way when it comes to surgery.

I think people abuse the system, and go to the doctor for unnecessary reasons. In turn the Doctors charge the shit out of them.

>>134041507
>By reducing availability, increasing cost, and reducing normal portion sizes

lol. you're out of your mind
>increase food costs
>good

people are food addicts. it's not the food's fault. you can be addicted to everything from fried chicken to candy.

should we ban all foods except bread and beef?

>>134041574
what they do is subsidize those who can't pay by overcharging the insurance companies and those that can pay

hospitals literally have no way to force someone to pay them and they know this.

>>134041507
Why not have actual health education instead of limiting what people can do? America isn't suppose to be an authoritarian hellhole that dictates what you can and cannot eat. It won't solve any problems either, as people will always find ways around.
>small serving sizes? Gimme 3
all of your ideas are effectively obesity/stupidity taxes. How about you start at the source of the problem: the horrendous public education system, and the demagogues who defend its horridness.

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>It'll never happen to me.

>>134039723
idk what i laughed its fucking stupid lol

Obamacare is a redistribution of wealth. The loop hole is that people would rather pay the fine than get expensive insurance. No money from these dropouts means healthcare costs skyrocket.

>>134032593
Insurance premiums are based on the risk level amongst other factors. Insurance companies are forced to take the risk of insuring incredibly risky people (unhealthy ones) so their expected losses spike. Well so do your premiums because that's a main way they make the money to pay off expected losses. T. Insurance fag

>>134031849
Private insurance companies conspire and collude (with major hospital management companies, with 'big pharma', and with all sorts of major employers across the country, including all levels of government) to eventually come to dominate healthcare. Their system is just a huge numbers game to keep the paper price of healthcare insanely high, far out of any individuals reach, so that persons have no choice but to be insured (through them). They don't really do anything but extract money from healthcare consumers - it's all destined to collapse, at a time determined by their own avarice.

That collapse starts. Healthcare prices are now locked into a death spiral, as the number of insured starts plummeting. They turn to the government (which they basically own, as part of the corporate shadow government) and tell them to make a law requiring all persons buy their product (basically a formalization of the corporatocracy). They literally write the law themselves, and it's passed without any legislators actually reading it, but with a few tiny 'victories for the people' tacked on throughout the process.

Then the SCOTUS guts the entire thing by declaring the individual mandate unconstitutional (as it plainly is). But also not really, if you squint at it until it looks like a 'tax'. So it's basically still gutted but kinda sort not, depending on what the IRS feels like doing with it in any particular year (so far they've not enforced it). Basically doing very little but those few tiny victories (like letting some young adults stay on their parents insurance a few years longer, letting some people with pre-existing conditions get insurance at all).

Now the corporate shadow government is of a few minds about it. Mostly they just want it gone, and try again with a new system that might be even better for them. A lot of others are much more fearful of some real outside proposal possibly getting adopted, and just want to leave well enough alone and hope for the best.

>>134041765

>Why not have actual health education instead of limiting what people can do?

Because the problem with America is the lobbying system. Soda companies, farmers, fast food, food service, etc. all have huge lobbying teams, and they are able to prevent laws that actually improve people's health get passed.

Then you also have the pharma lobbyists, who want people to get fat and sick, so they can sell them more drugs. They also run Congress and prevent bills from being passed.

That's why Europeans on general are healthier because they don't have an intense lobbying system like America does.

>>134032368
>I don't need insurance.

But nobody needs insurance, right up until they do. I was healthy and hadn't been to the doctor in years. Then I got three kidney stones, followed by a kidney infection. Sure was glad I had insurance then, that would have killed me otherwise as I was out of work.

I don't get this attitude.

>>134031849
because their token nigger needs a legacy

>>134042382
>Then I got three kidney stones, followed by a kidney infection.

>kidney stones
associated with not drinking enough water.

Let's be real those aren't very costly to treat.

>Anything can happen bro, pay a $7k deductible and $250 a month when you're young and healthy just in case something happens

Sorry I keep myself healthy. Statistically not likely something will happen. I'll take my chances.

>>134032593
When has more people pursuing a service ever actually reduced costs? The liberal fantasy of socialized healthcare within an insurance system only works if tons of people are willing to buy but not use their service. Even an NHS-style system makes more sense than what we got.

>>134042535
>associated with not drinking enough water.
>Let's be real those aren't very costly to treat.

I spent three months taking tests in a hospital and I was drinking enough water, and peeing right. They can't explain it.

Kidney stones don't cost much, but a proper kidney infection requires hospital admission and it can kill you if it is not treated. I was out for two months after.

You're an idiot.

>>134037543
>>134034607
>>134034479

All of you fags would be the first person to be trigger by a fat woman. Suck each other's cocks some more.

>>134034349
You will pay for mine

>>134042535
>Statistically not likely something will happen. I'll take my chances.

Good luck with that. Hope you don't get hit a car by one of dem drunk drivers.

I'm not saying the prices in Murrica aren't retarded, but that doesn't mean insurance is useless. I pay 130 euro a month with a 350 deductible and it covers everything. I could jump off a roof and stil be covered. It's worth it.

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>>134032368

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the proof is out there

>>134041115
there were 2 short vids in the dump. body type matches plus if you freeze the other video you see 3 visible moles/tags that match up perfectly to EW including the ultra rare bump in the center of her chin.

i'd say 85% chance of being legit.

>>134045171
>>134041115
oh yea and theres other photos of her wearing that necklace

>>134032593
Don't ask Pol these questions dude nobody in here has any fucking clue what they're talking about

>>134040174
>one tiny area

I have family in rural Arizona. Fuck you.

>>134038614
>we give people shit education about nutrition and then surround them with soda ads
>we

The biggest thing the left likes is it gives health care to poor people, the biggest thing the right hates is it is putting the lower middle class into poverty by charging them so much while also dropping doctors pay. It's a mess of a bill that no one in that industry liles.

>>134050654
>no one in that industry liles.
Fuck the industry. It's about your health not their excessive profits.

>>134045171

Emma, if you're reading this, I want to thank you from the very bottom of my heart for making these. It is better than I even imagined.

>>134033321
The only people that like it are niggers on Medicaid that think that's the same thing as obongocare, or assholes with severe health conditions that shouldn't have insurance. Obongocare is a deal if you're a pozzed faggot that needs $5000 worth of antivirals a month to keep the AIDS at bay.
For everyone else that works and isn't dying, its a total ripoff. Obamacare basically forces taxpayers to subsidize heathcare costs for the sick through health insurance, while simultaneously making you pay Medicaid tax as well. Libtards get to double dip taxpayers wallets for their laziness and poor health.

>>134041507
>food desert
That's city hipster code for: "I'm too lazy to go to a grocery store that has more than the corner store that sells cheetos and blunt wraps, being fat is hard, waaah!"

>>134035232
>AnCap flag
>Supporting Obamacare

Hmmm really makes you think

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>>134032368
And what about appendicitis.

God forbid that thing goes south on you.

Or you get in an accident.

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>>134033244

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Let's be honest here, most Republicans, the ones who aren't super ideological government-is-evil crackheads, only hate the Affordable Care Act because it wasn't them who put it in place. The actual policies in it are mostly well in line with ideas that conservatives themselves have come up with over the years.
Just look at Romneycare.

>Be me
>Poor as fuck, but not too poor
>Healthy, so I don't get healthcare
>Suddenly bill in the mail
>"You don't have healthcare. Here's a fine for that."
>Fucking what.
>Look at healthcare
>Expensive AF
>Now I have to choose whether to pay for Boogie's healthcare, or be fined for not having healthcare

>>134031849
Should you remove this your kiki is showing :D

>>134031849
fug

How is that flabby fucking manlet naked in the same room with her?

>>134057630
Nigger you are fucking retarded, go back to plebbit

>>134058657

are you sure she isnt a trap?

what a masculine body

>>134058657
>be British
>have world-class healthcare on tap and free at the point of need
>don't need to worry about the Goldberg Insurance Company ruining my life if I get hit by a drunk driver, get cancer or if my children get ill
>on top of that my employers still have to pay me my full wage for six months if I'm ill

>>134058895
>be British
>pay ~50-60% of income in some form of tax to pay for jewish contracts for hospital infrastructure not used, for closing down hospitals and clinic, for dozens of scandals every year where people die unnecessarily in shitty hospitals up and down the country
>wait 3 hours in A&E for a life threatening injury, broken bones, meningitis
>don't need to worry about money because you'll die because of 200 shitskins got a booboo before you, get MRSA because immigrant doctors don't wash their hands, or just plain get rejected for a routine procedure because they mismanage their money on admin's bonuses
>employers contest illness pay and have you sacked for lack of attendance anyway

Living the life!