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When did you grow out of your Ancap/Libertarian phase /pol/?

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When did you grow out of your Ancap/Libertarian phase /pol/?
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>>133994881
>AnCap
>supporting anything
???
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>>133994881
I never liked ancap philosophy, because it fails at the same things communisms fails at.

For any given system, there will be unwilling participants. Those people will attempt to break the system in their favor. In communism this means taking advantage of the endless gibs without working. In ancap paradise this means using theft and force to establish local despotism.

Any governing system, or really any social contract, requires maintenance by its people to enforce the rules that are set in place.
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>>133994881
>Claims libertarianism is cucked
>Advocates for an ideoloy of the state literally planning your life
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>>133995283
That's what's great about mixed market system for all of its flaws. We have protocols in place to deal with these bad actors. Ancaps don't much beyond their hypothetical scenerios that would rarely if ever pan out in real life.
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Nothing is more cucked than being a statist, you're willing to give in to anything just because you don't like black people
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>implying cosmopolitan "democratic" socialism is decentralised syndical mid stage capitlalism
Black people are welcome to spend their money here but we won't give them shit and we'll sue them the second they start trying to get prioritised employment.

>>133995283
The unwilling participants suffer themselves in any right wing system, either through oppression or refusing to be marketable.

Only left wing libertarian systems have the problem you're describing because there's no system to deal with the unwilling and everything is hinged on communal charity.
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Took me awhile but to be fair that was back when altright/natsoc didn't exist. Whenever Ron Paul lost I lost faith in it also realized its just a utopian fantasy in this era, and I mainly was a lolberg because I got caught with weed. Its an ideology for those who want to justify being a hedonistic individualist without being judged. It has zero power to stop the left and actually mostly agrees with it. Ancaps are pure larp, I was never THAT retarded
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All AnCaps and lolbertarians on /pol/ are JIDF shills. You can tell that by their shitty bait posting.
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I was never an Ancap follower but as for Libertarianism as a whole, probably when I read Brave New World in college. Although BNW does not depict anything close to a Libertarian society, it made me think about how our values and beliefs aren't creations of our own free will, but are pressed into us via (to a small extent) our genes and (to a much larger extent) the conditioning we receive through our lives (from family, friends, education system, and the mass media).

Because of that 'freedom of choice' in a political sense is an illusion. In a libertarian society, people are granted freedom of choice and voluntary association, but that will not ennoble anyone. Instead we will still make choices based on our conditioning, only now you have removed all visible control of said conditioning and left it in the hands of shadowy forces that know how to exploit that freedom to their advantage.
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>>133996165
Statism builds civilizations, anarchism destroys them.
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>>133994881
But most nonwhites will fail miserably in any Libertarian society and their offspring, if they manage to have any, will starve?

At least make an anti-asian meme if you are going to attack any ideology based entirely on merit, since a libertarian society is inherently eugenic.
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>>133996938
>JIDF
What is this, 2010?
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>>133994881
natsoc is the only thing you grow into
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>>133994881
The moment you start linving on your own and not on parent backs .I witnessed both cultural death in west/usa and financial death in soviet union .
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>>133994881
Did you get tired of being BTFO in the other thread? >>133967273
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>>133994881

I'm actual capitalist so I've never grown out of shit, /pol/ just meme's everything to hell and back. The "ancap" people don't even understand what capitalism IS, never read any economist's works it seems. Capitalism and anarchy contradict each other, so "ancap" is just silly. They just think it's what the memeball implies with some ridiculous self-defeating scenarios that will never happen in real life.

It's a shame too. It's just hurting humanities chances of survival by confusing people on the idea of capitalism even more.
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>>133995283
Doesn't matter if they don't want to participate. As long as those who want to participate can defend themselves via militias and police. Lefties can go form as communist shithole for all I care, as long as they can't force others to join.
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>>133994881
>mfw statists, mystics and looters STILL can't refute pic related
>mfw they can only autistically screech about muh medicare, muh altruism, muh JOOOOOO
>mfw this only proves she's right
C A N T W I T H S T A N D T H E R A N D
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>>133996938
>All AnCaps and lolbertarians on /pol/ are JIDF shills. You can tell that by their shitty bait posting.


Jews and SJWs do not like anarchocapitalists.

The Poverty Palace keeps a profile of Doug Casey along with their Klansmen and National Socialists.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2012/12/12/%E2%80%98anarcho-capitalists%E2%80%99-seen-cousins-%E2%80%98patriot%E2%80%99-movement
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>>133995552
What do you think the state even is?
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>>133999520
Capitalism is ITSELF an anti-government philosophy, you fragging illiterate. The whole idea is that people can be trusted out of their self-interest to provide for themselves and others in productive means without need of a state or feudal lord to tell them what to do. Stop pretending to have read books when you clearly haven't.
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>>133995283
muh NAP
fuck with me and you<re getting McNuked
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>>133995980
free market is still superior to mixed as long as you don't go ancap retardation and call for -no- government
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>>133999713
This lad knows.
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>>133994881
>>133994881
when i realized the only way a country can be successful without government meddling in every aspect of your life is if that country is at least 95% white.

think of all the stupid fucking laws in america that only exist because of niggers but are applied to everyone equally. school zero tolerance policies, three strikes laws, the militarization of the police, all unnecessary in a white society and all imperative in keeping a lid on the nigger problem.

it's gotten so bad that the people that want them here in the first place have realized that these laws exist because of niggers. of course, they're so blind to reality they don't realize that niggers need to be kept in line this way. they genuinely believe that nigger control laws are all because white people are just jealous of their hip rhythm and soul or some shit, and they want to end nigger control laws, or worse, see them enforced on the entire population.

god i fucking hate niggers
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>>134000961
Listen, the individual doesn't exist in the way that Ayn Rand and others believed. The ego that produces values, preferences, ideas, is NOT independent; it is a social product. When fascists speak of the state or the people as the carrier of values, they do not mean chiefly that it ought to be that way, they mean that's the way it really is. We are peoples much more than we are individuals in that sense. To give priority to the vain fantasies of the individual ego over cultural cohesion and value systems is what ruins societies.
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>>133994881
It's a pahse, much like the anarchist or antifa scum, once (if) they get a proper job and responsibility, their perspective will change.
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>>134000096
39 seconds
Based Norwegian
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>>134001614
>When a liberal is talking about slavery and black oppression
>You tell them "I agree, we never should have brought them here to begin with"
>Steam blows out of their ears
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>>134000000
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>hasn't read Hoppe
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>>133994881
When I realized that in any ancap/libertarian dream that a state would inevitably rise and that right now we need a state that works in the favor of our people.

Jew World Order is shittin all over us...
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>>133995283
>I never liked ancap philosophy, because it fails at the same things communisms fails at.

Come on, ameritard.You closet-communists assume people to have a basic level of intelligence and ability to recognize self-interest. They don't.

I buy stock and don't pay tax because I have an actual lawyer, and recognize people are morons who will actually chose to get fucked up the ass, given the choice.

Did you mean, when were you brainwashed to hate sandniggers and vote for trumpcuck?
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I grew out of it when degeneracy really started to take off after 2008 and the libertarians didn't offer any solutions to it. I then started reading more fascist and natsoc literature and realized that the libertarians grossly misrepresented them and only construct strawman to knock down. After many debates, I realized that all anarchists, communists, libertarians, and liberals have the same basic philosophy: nihilistic individualism. The communist dedication to "collectivism" is a fiction they use to disguise what they really are.
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>>133994881
Never had one, I've never been wrapped up enough in myself to be an ancap. Ancaps are so concerned with themselves they either don't observe other people or assume the masses are all intelligent responsible people. The consequences of letting most idiots do what is little different that what we have now: racemixing, degeneracy, destruction of culture and mismanagement of resources. The only difference would be that instead of the government being the tool of the Jews, they would simply employ unrestricted private enterprise to the same effect.
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> Wanting a master
Nothing is more beta. Freedom is a manly philosophy women without strong men are afraid of, do you want to be like lefty women?

There's nothing more beautiful than what men are capable of when they're free to act and nothing more cucked than multiple layers of slow, stagnating, obese, authoritarian statism. Nothing more delusional than thinking you can get the right people in power in every level of local/state/federal government and that they'll actually do what you want long term. Nothing more incredible than the wide dispersal of knowledge being used by the market as a naturally evolved order to satisfy peoples wants and needs in a voluntary way.....and nothing more important than self ownership and property rights.
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>>133994881
Sage for shill thread
/pol/ is an unbreakable union of Nazis and libertarians.
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The shift to nationalism puts you into the same easily led reactionary sheep camp that the elites have used to forward their agenda for a few hundred years.

When the world was getting so close to a free & prosperous society they created crisis where weak minded betas fall for commie & fascy lies. It's all part of the game and I won't play it, I refuse to go down the road to serfdom.
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During college, when I slid further to the right. Studying American history made me realize greatness requires prejudice and apathy for what others say and think about your kind. Diversity is weakness, and if it wasn't, then explain why wages, employment, waistlines, and so on were better when the US was 85% white.
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>>134000807

>Capitalism is ITSELF an anti-government philosophy, you fragging illiterate.

No it's not. It's about having a small government that protects one's rights and nothing more. Read >>133999713 some Ayn Rand, some Ludwig von Mises, some John Stuart Mill, some Adam Smith, some Bohm-Bark, some Henry Hazlitt and if you really want the capitalist red pill -- read George Reisman.

I didn't name any of those people in the first post to avoid knee-jerk reactions but since you want to call me illiterate I'll name drop names you've obviously never heard of since you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Capitalism is about FREEDOM, that doesn't mean "anti-government for the sake of being anti-government" that means "government/state has ONE purpose -- protecting rights and having the monopoly on the lethal use of force in protecting one's rights" and being against the government when it goes beyond doing that because that leads to one's rights and freedoms being violated.

Fucking fuck /pol/ I'm so sick of you lying and making shit up as you go along.
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>>133999713
Guess who said the quote in this pic?

>>134000961
Sounds like solipsistic nihilism to me
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>>134002749
Libertarians can fuck off, and so can individualist nazis like yourself.

"There is no license any more, no private sphere where the individual belongs to himself." - John Hitler
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>>134002925
>Government protecting anything.
>Thinking rights exist.
Top idealism.
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>>134002925
this is a good post
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>>133994881
About a year ago
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>>134002517
>Nothing more delusional than thinking you can get the right people in power in every level of local/state/federal government and that they'll actually do what you want long term.
Not as delusional as thinking that a stateless world is possible. In your ancap dream world people would form mafias which would eventually form into the state. The state is inevitable whether you like it or not.
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>>134002925
You illiterate fuck. That is not what capitalism is. You are talking about a type of government, all those ideologues you mentioned they talk about ideas and systems of government but the actual capitalism part is nowhere to be found in your post.
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>>134001640
Except the individual mind is what creates culture, value & socially cohesive institutions. Notice how the state has let to the deferring of all social interaction to an authoritative third party? Neighbourd can't compromise, spouses can't compromise, community & charity barely exist anymore. When people think authority figures are the solution they lose their will to act individually to solve complex social problems with their felloe man.

What could be more destructive than taking mans ability to cooperate and take responsibility?
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>>134001965

Can't forget this as well:

"WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, June 3) -- President Bill Clinton on Wednesday proposed renewing most-favored-nation (MFN) trade status for China, saying it was "clearly in our nation's interest" as he urged Congress to support the request."

Thanks for convincing thousands of companies to go to China to manufacture shit that was once made here, Fuckface.

I hope that old faggot has another heart attack soon and takes Hillary with him.
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>>134003212
Pretty much this. The NAP is a bad joke at best and can't exist in the real world. Its unenforceable.
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>Kids from Reddit in the "OMG FASCISM IS SO COOL BECAUSE OF THOSE VAPORWAVE PICS XDDDD"
Most people advocating about Fascism here know as much about Fascism as the average Communist knows about Communism.
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>>133994881
When I accepted race realism, and when I accepted that the super-rich of society, don't give two fucks about me, the bourgeois (by traditional definition of the term, imo ie lower-middle class to middle-upper class) or really anyone, any idea, or anything, but themselves.
When I realized taxing the "#1%" really doesn't matter for fuck to me, so long as the money doesn't go to wogs, in return for leftist votes.
Those people aren't my fucking ally, no more than the marxist failure.
When I realized on the whole, brown people are just out for themselves, at my expense.
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>>134003683
No one here reads books anymore, they think a few memes later that they're above learning & expanding their ideas.
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>>134002980
What part of "unbreakable" did you not understand?

>https://mises.org/system/tdf/16_1_5.pdf
>NATURAL ORDER, THE STATE, AND THE IMMIGRATION PROBLEM

>People of one ethno-culture tend to live in
close proximity to one another and spatially separated and distant from people of another ethno-culture. Whites live among Whites and
separate from Asians and Blacks. Italian speakers live among other Italians and separate from English speakers. Christians live among other Christians and separate fr
om Muslims. Catholics live among
Catholics and separate from Protestants, etc. Naturally, some “overlap” and “mixing” of different ethno-cultures in various “border-
territories” exists. Moreover, as centers of interregional trade, cities naturally display a higher degree of ethno-cultural heterogeneity.
This notwithstanding, however, neighborhoods
and communities are internally homogeneous (uni-cultural). In fact, even in border territories and cities the same spatial association and separation of likes and unlikes is found. Nothing like a society where members of different ethno-cultures live as neighbors or in close physical proximity
to each other (as propagated by some American multiculturalists)
emerges. Rather, the emerging multiculturalism is one in which many distinctly different ethno-cultures coexist in physical-spatial separation and distant from one another, and trade with each other
from afar.

-Hans-Helmuth Hoppe
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>>134003455
The individual mind is a product of the culture and genetics that produce it. When degeneracy and race-mixing take hold the average individual becomes worthless.
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>>134003683
No, pretty sure it's just people tired of kikes and niggers. Two things which libertarians have no problems with.
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>>134003370

Okay what's your definition of "capitalism" then?

Here's mine --

>Capitalism is a social system based on private ownership of the means of production. It is characterized by the pursuit of material self-interest under freedom and it rests on a foundation of the cultural influence of reason. Based on its foundations and essential nature, capitalism is further characterized by saving and capital accumulation, exchange and money, financial self-interest and the profit motive, the freedoms of economic competition and economic inequality, the price system, economic progress, and a harmony of the material self-interests of all the individuals who participate in it.

And why is yours automatically more valid than mine?
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>>134003893
Good thing degeneracy and mudbloods fear responsibility, working, a lack of welfare leeching and socially enforced incentives that freedom brings.
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>>134003818

Aint that the fucking truth? /pol/ has the literal worse reading comprehension I've ever seen. It's why we can't have civil discourse on this board because most of the people on it can't understand the words they're using or seeing while calling other's illiterate or stupid.

This is why it's more of a pain in the ass to debate subjects you know a lot about because the other participants aren't even familiar with the basic concepts and terms you're talking about.
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>>134003929
Also the rise in sexual degeneracy and unchecked drug abuse is sowing ruin in our society. Libertarians have no good answer to those problems.
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>>133994881
When I turned 18 and slowly turned more and more nazi. I've realized the importance of preserving your race, and that just isn't possible with libertarianism. Libertarianism will always lead to corporations importing shitskins by the millions for cheap labor.
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>>133994881
>le libertarians can't be racist meme
Who the fuck would stop me?
A society based on free association means you can not associate with people based on race if you so wish.
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>>134003455
>Except the individual mind is what creates culture, value & socially cohesive institutions.

It's not true, average people have have very little control over their own thought content, it is mostly a reflection and processing of the cultural content. It's difficult to talk about a persons control over their minds because the term "person" disintegrates. What is clear as day is that it's not as simple as you suggest. Leave it to an anarcho-capitalist to oversimplify.

>Notice how the state has let to the deferring of all social interaction to an authoritative third party?

Listen, there is no third party. The state is a social organization. Humans create social structures that are more complex than "consensual individual exchanges".

>Neighbourd can't compromise, spouses can't compromise, community & charity barely exist anymore.

Speak for yourself.

>What could be more destructive than taking mans ability to cooperate and take responsibility?

Doing so and not even realizing it. You have misunderstood and oversimplified fundamentals of human nature. You talk about cooperation and responsibility only in that fictitious context.
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>>134004441
Not when they associate their shitskin dick into your ass. Do you have enough resources to stop the brown hoard from enriching you?
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>>134004290
Mhmm. While ancaps defend it all happening. Shitting their own padded nest, and falling on their own sword. Cucks to whoever holds exponentially more financial wherewithal, dressed up as some sense of morality.
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>>134003893
>The individual mind is a product of the culture and genetics that produce it.

This is exactly true. This is what I think ancaps and individualists in general fail to realize. But how could it be any other way? We can build only on what's available, that's why culture, people, history e.t.c. matters.

>>134003455
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>>134004441

This post is truth by the way.
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>>133994881
>thinks ancap is open borders
who is hoppe?
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>>134004194
You think they just roll over and die? Without the boot of the state on the neck of malcontents and the work-shy they just form gangs of bandits. The welfare state itself was capitalism's last trick up its sleeve to prevent this.
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Can any libertarian even explain how their "movement" could ever fix the problem of the west?

I just can't see how libertarianism can stop the globalist kikes and cia niggers.
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>>134004601
>not rigging everything you own with explosives so no one can ever separate you from your property without dying
>not owing fleets of surplus military vehicles
>not having your own well staffed Militiacorp™ brand militia to fight invaders
If you can't defend it, you don't deserve it.
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>>134005109
I like how you guys call us LARPers and then post shit like this.
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>>134000026
Thought that quote was P J O'Rourke?
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>>134005109

This shit is so ridiculous I just consider it anti-capitalist at this point.
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FFS!

Capitalism is NOT government.
It is neither pro government nor anti government.
It is simply the right to do trade, that's it end of story.

Those governments that embrace capitalism thrive, those that don't fail.
The more restrictions you put on capitalism, the quicker your government dies.

But capitalism will work wherever someone wants something, make something illegal, sudden 'free market' get the ominous name 'black market'.
Want something in a communist state, where do you go.. See a communist?

This is why different governments can work from Monarchy, to dictatorship to republics.

And its why they all fail when they think they know better than the market.
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>>134005188
These people really do think pmc's are or ever would be comparable to any actual military.
Economies of scale say fuck off to that dumb shit. The main reason I never went full an-cap really.
Fear the wrath of the mighty mall-cop, his small arms rifle and truck. -.-
Is great military feels good man.
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>Hey guys it's me, Anarcho-Orange Juice Supporter.

>Orange Juice is so great.

>You should open you ass and pour orange juice inside it!

>Pour it down your dick hole too!

>Pour it in your ears!

>Splash some in your eyes!

>If you don't agree this sounds like a great idea you're anti-orange juice!
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>>134004452
> oversimplify
Bullshit. You don't need every citizen, you need the freedom for genius to flourish not some draft where future greats are killed for the elites. You can get into existentialism, the ego & free will all you want but the most beautiful things in the world come from the individual mind and their ability to act on their ideas. Freedom & society are ways of incentivizing people to follow ideas that are beneficial to others, statism is all about win-lose.

> Listen, there is no third party
There is in the mind of the people. They defer to this group of individuals as an authority above the morality of the rest of us, this needs to change. Surely you've heard the common quotes about the state is just justified theft, extortion, murder & violence etc.

> Speak for yourself.
Nah I'll speak for society & my observations. Yuri Bezmenov was right, everything has become antogonistic, no need to project your own personal circumstances on society.

> fictitious context.
Bullshit.
> misunderstood and oversimplified fundamentals of human nature
Bullshit.
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>>134004968
The largest institutions they use to control us are all intertwined, government, government protected corporations, government controlled banking system, the mainstream media etc.

The whole system is extremely fragile & relies on sheep keeping eachother in the fences, the moment people stop complying it all becomes unenforceable. It's just a numbers game, they've set it up psychologically brilliant, but they've also set it up in a way than when people wake up form the matrix & actively sidestep these institutions they lose 90% of their power.

The moment people use alt-media, the moment people develop things like bitcoin or black markets/barter, the moment localities stop complying with state/federal it can grow like a beautiful freedom cancer.

Sidestep their institutions for better ones that render the old ones obsolete & obviously I believe that freedom is the best way to find the answers to societies current problems. People might no agree with that but besides voting preferences I feel like we're all trying to move in the same direction in our daily lives to stop this shit.
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>>134004742
Exactly. Most libertarians I see will fully advocate for an open border and just say that it's competition and white people's fault and the free market fixes everything
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>>134005188
I don't. I call you Authoritarians.

>>134005572
My first point was about blowing everything you own up
Yes it's a joke. I even added the ™ logo for you, you ungrateful cunt.

>>134006042
Ancap is literally Neo-Fuedalism. It can only exist under the right (see: chaotic) conditions.
Our ancestors went to the same thing after the collapse of Rome, and founded every modern nation state in Europe.
This is no different.
You would have CEOs of localcitycorp™ swearing fealty to super CEOs from localregioncorp™ for protection from larger nation-state like enemies.
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>>134006965
It's literally just liberal subversion into the party.
Being right wing to the furthest extent means you completely reject collectivism and you completely embrace private property.
If you're collectively placing blame on a race you aren't Libertarian. You are just a liberal who calls himself a Libertarian.
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>>133994881
Never. But only the naive so called Libetarian supports unchecked immigration. Yes there should be freedom of movement, but as we all know this isn't a natural flow of immigrants. It's been weaponized with the intent of bringing down the west and, yes, the long game is to blend the races into one homogenous race. One world government, one race, one religion, and uniformity of culture and thought.... hey kinda sounds like NatSoc!
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>>133994881
Avoided it entirely
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>>134006965
> private border
Fixed that for ya.

The thing is about the market fixing things is that it's about incentives, about letting people come together to solve problems in an extremely efficient way.

It comes back to Hayek I think, because the market (which is just the people) has this genius way of using information that is dispersed among millions of people to solve problems & utilize the knowledge for individual goals. Nothing so far can come close to the markets ability to use information to solve problems. The state is the only thing that comes close and even then kings & dictators still find it filled with fragilities, Hitler didn't trust the people under him, kings have to worry about family & other peoples aspirations whereas the market other peoples aspirations generally give you opportunity to reach yours. Know what I mean?
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>>134007154
>Authoritarians.
I'm not a fascist because fascists are left wing retards but you're retarded, In an ancap society anyone can authorize anything, forget about that silly nap shit. When someone decides they want your shit they are going to take it physically or psychologically.
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>>134007154

>you ungrateful cunt.

No one has to thank for you contributing to idiocy, idiot. You're not doing anyone any favors by muddling up concepts.
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>>134007584
Except that's not how this works.
You can be full authoritarian without giving in to collectivism.
This is what being as far right as the right goes looks like.

>>134007773
Do you actually think I was being serious about copy pasting the ™ logo?
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>>134007773
>muddling the concepts
No. You are just literal children who are attempting to criticize a political ideology you don't understand.
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>>134007962
>This is what being as far right as the right goes looks like.
Nope, used to be an egoist, that is as far as it goes.
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>>133994881
Is anyone finding the relevance of sexual acts involving a black cock in /pol/'s meme'n a bit disturbing? The entire phrase cuck, which is used by practically everyone in the alt-right, is rooted in the act of a black penis cumming inside white women. Why is /pol/ so obsessed with nigger cock?
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>>134007584
> anyone can authorize anything, forget about that silly nap shit.
This is why society & the underlying culture create institutions. We just want different/better ones with an underlying Libertarian culture underpinning the new ideas. There's always incentives & rules for participating in society or with other people.
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>>134007349
They blame whites for losing the jobs because of the free market, you idiot. The logic is its their fault because they lost to competition. Open borders are inherently libertarian and have always been pushed for by them. Even private property borders won't work, because corporations will just build slave houses for them to live in and still import them because it is still cheaper.
>>134007562
No such thing as a private border. Completely blocking someone off is a violation of the NAP, people owning border land would be force to let them peacefully cross. And there is still planes. Private land just keeps them away from your land, ot your country. This is the problem with libertarians, you never think long term and just put faith in private ownership and free market to work things out, despite history showing that that isn't true.
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>>134004742
this
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>>134004772
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>>134008359
> you never think long term
lol fuck off, that's the exact problem with fasces this silly idea that they can get the right people in power indefinately is an unrealistic & utopian idea.

Private property doesn't violate the NAP, you don't understand the NAP nor its purpose but that's okay because private land is all the border you need. If people want to fly overhead you need to decide whether you want to try and stop them or not & why. If a business has "public" privately owned land and they let people fly in, drive on their roads to the shopping center & what not then there's nothing wrong with that. The question is what can people do if they fly in to someone elses land? What are you afraid of? Niggers getting hando- no, no handouts. Niggers chimpi- no, they can't do that either they'd be a monkey in a snake pit good luck with that negro. What are you afraid of?
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>>134006853
JIDF employee of the month right here...

>I believe that freedom is the best way to find the answers to societies current problems
Your top notch jewry fell apart when you said this, Chaim.
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>>134008359
>Open borders are inherently libertarian and have always been pushed for by them.
No. No they aren't.
You can repeat this over and over again and it does not make it anymore true.

>They blame whites for losing the jobs because of the free market, you idiot
Are you actually fucking retarded? YOU IDIIIIOT?
>And there is still planes.
And it's still trespassing.

>blocking someone off is a violation of the NAP
No it isn't.
How the fuck is physically removing someone from YOUR property a violation of the NAP? Jesus christ how fucking dense are you?
You legitimately don't have a single clue about which you are trying to criticize. pls refer to >>134008123
You would look like much less of an idiot if you properly understood what we are about.

You are like the liberal who says the naizs would kill anyone without blonde hair or blue eyes or says the holocaust lampshades were real. Pure lies and slander.
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>>133994881
I grew out of my libertarian Gary 2012 faggot phase when I saw how BTFO idiot libertarians get in elections (he got less than 1% of the vote back then) and especially when I was introduced to the loving ideology of Bernie Sanders who taught me to be a good man and to love and give back to my community. I still feel the Bern, and the Bern will return in 2020 when Bernie annihilates Donald Drukpf in the next election!
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>>134008927
NOT
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>>134008940
>>Open borders are inherently libertarian and have always been pushed for by them.
>>134007395
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Quite recently
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>>134009085
What are you quoting?
Look I found a "conservative" republican that pushes open boarders.
This is a clear indication that ALL conservative want open boarders, obviously.
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>>134000961

> the smallest minority one art his the individual

Maybe that sub-human Slav cunt should learn English first.
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>>133994881
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>>134009158
> Freedom is jews, Fascism is not
Are you implying?
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>>134008852
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>>134009277
I was backing you up chill out...
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Why does everyone who use the AnCap flag type like they're twelve?
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>>134008888
I don't care with #1 top priority about the long term procedural stability of the government system for the next 5 centuries, dammit.
I care about the low iq negros and other assorted immigrants, Guaranteeing that the system is doomed to failure, merely to the benefits of whatever DerpCo. gets a slightly higher profit margin off their residence.
You can claim "hurr durr no welfare" the fuck you want, a generation or two of DerpCo wageslaves are going to I Have A Dream/Aztlánd your asses. Wasn't any welfare then, and they got into the population, and look at it today.
History already proves you're wrong. Action is needed now.
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Based Bastiat & Hayek are the two reasons I probably won't ever end up rejecting the ideas of freedom.
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Regarding "open borders" You have a border on your own property, you're not entitled to police anyone else's property. If a collection of properties want to form a "no nigger zone" that's totally fine. Ancaps believe in complete and total freedom of speech and freedom of association. If your good old white community doesn't want niggers in taking all the jobs there's nothing stopping you from non-violently spooking any niggers that come by till they leave.
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>>133994881
Because I realized , just like you can't expect people to do right to each other, you can't expect businesses to do right by each other as well.
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>>134008123

You're talking to the wrong person faggot.

>>134007962

>Do you actually think I was being serious about copy pasting the ™ logo?

I don't know what the fuck you trolls take seriously. Obviously nothing until someone disagrees with you and then you pretend you were just pretending to be retarded.
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>>134009904
> and they got into the population
Yeah and unsurprisingly all of the blacks, spics, asians, Irish & other europeans that came become pretty productive members of society before lefties did what lefties do best. Not counting slave breed niggers which didn't come freely for Capitalism.

> Action is needed now.
...and that's how they enslave us. They create the crisis through which we give up freedom for security, they're all in it together you don't think Trump is in it with the dark suits & secret societies? I agree with you though that something needs to be done, but I'm wary of finding a man with a plan to give authority to. Yanks are pretty safe in the US the problem I think is being handicapped by the government to protect themselves. It's the governments & EU that are handicapping Europeans and preventing them from defending themselves. If only they had freedom they could deny these people from coming, prevent the blowback from Jew wars & protect each other at home.
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People against ancap are socialist-corporatist shills. Ancap is basically natsoc but without the ethnic nitpicking (ex are slavs white etc).

Ancap allows group membership based on productivity and might.

Might is right - civility makes strong - ancap lets them fight it out
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>>134010640
Ancap is not natsoc at all. It's free market capitalism.
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>>134010424
Heh, well that's the way you see. Way I see it, the United States became more socialist, progressive, statist, and overall much farther as a country from the very ideology you propose to support, thanks to 'muh le based immigrating wop/spic/potato nigger ancestors.
But that would be an unpopular, politically incorrect thing to say I suppose.
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>>133994881
I don't subscribe to the libertarian/authoritarian dichotomy because I think it's dumb. My ideal form of government would be authoritarian when it needed to be and libertarian when it didn't. There is no set position on the political compass, and this applies for just about any government.

Fuck totalitarianism, though. If you want the government controlling literally every aspect of your life then you're a cuck, plain and simple.
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>>134011149
Give an example when an authoritarian wasn't authoritarian "when he didn't need to be".
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>>134009484
Fascism is the only ideology I have seen Jews fight against unanimously because they know what it means for them. Capitalism, while it works when you have an all-white population, is much more tuned in their favor.
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>>134006389
You are such a goof. Just say bullshit and preach about something unrelated.. what will that accomplish.
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>>134011711
Except for when they funded & controlled dictators all over the world & used the wars fought against them to exponentially grow & encrouch the state on our lives. WW1 & WW2 saw the greatest growth of statism & the road to socialism fuck that. Jews can't stand freedom becuase they lose their state protected corporations and they lose the justified use of the state for lefty bs.
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It still trips me out how so many people argue FOR being told what to do
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>>134011872
Not many agrument from you today maybe you should try subtantiating your bs assertions mate.
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>>134001640
well-articulated, my friend.
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>>134011354
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>>134012143
I didn't even make a bs assertion dude. Christ..
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>>134012294
Thanks friend. Anclaps seem unwilling to even have the conversation on that plane but we'll keep trying.
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>>134012383
Ease up turbo.
> ficticious context
> oversimplified view of human nature
I think these are pretty bs assertions but, I like your views of individuals & the ego but I don't think it's as relevant as you think it is when talking about what system has good incentives, what system is moral, what system produces good results & is efficient or whatever people value in deciding between systems & social structures.
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>>133994881
I have NEVER been an An-cap I'm not from reddit sir I bid you GOOD DAY.
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>>134013060
How well do you know how Ayn Rand viewed individual existence, free will, morality & the human mind? She went Hoppe style on philsophy the same way he did for economics, started from scratch & built their ideas from the ground up, from first principles, from determining what is free will, what is matter, what is morality etc. Are you sure you aren't simplifying ideaologies based on special kids on 4chan?
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>>134003959
>using Marxist lexicon to describe capitalism
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>>134005992
>It is simply the right to do trade, that's it end of story.

Capitalism has nothing to do with trade, though, it is, by definition, the accumulation of wealth through investment of profit.

It is simply the centralization of power, in inherent competition with government, which seeks to limit it, which is also expressed freely in your comment.
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>>134001640
Agreed, for humanity the rare individual is to far and in between the masses of lemmings to make it worth creating a world for. We need civil values and institutions fighting for our tribe and nothing else. That is the epitome of satisfaction.
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>>134008229
OP here,

Ancaps are nature born cucks, so it makes sense.
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>>134013165

Of course it's relevant. Judging efficiency, morality, what a good result is e.t.c. is impossible without a context. Efficient for whom? Collectivism asserts that the significant human unit is the people, not the individual. Whether or not capitalism, for example, is useful TO THAT END is another question. As you may know fascists tend to emphasize private initiative as a useful tool for economic development and, in extension, political development. But, the END is different; the group is important, not the individual. How can you say that it's irrelevant?
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>>134013366
What the hell kind of post is this. People have to do their own arguing. You can't join a team and just say that the book was better.
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>>133997188
>Statism builds civilizations, anarchism destroys them.
You mean like the Soviet Union?
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>>134001683
I have an actual job and the more I work for my money, the less I want the government taxing me to pay for a nigger's welfare.
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>>134014366
It's irrelevant because it keeps discussion in the realm of abstraction for too long. What I mean is, if we sit here all day talking about whether we exist, whether we have control over our actions be all but discard the discussion on right/wrong or at least delay it, we discard the discussion on what can be done today/tomorrow. There's a point where you just have to accept what we can accept for now and move the discussion forward into the realm of reality. Into what's happening right now and what directions we can go, same thing with people dreaming up scenarios of end goal Commie/Ancap societies and it devolving into fantasy and projection.

> Efficient for whom?
> Whether or not capitalism, for example, is useful TO THAT END is another question.

This, this is what I want right here. We need to find out what ends & values people have so we can move discussions forward & get that dialogue going toward practicality. Too often we're just talking past each other on here.

Debating which end is preferable to move toward is cool, that's great, group vs individual sure but going back to the roots of human conciousness is a nice exercise and it's important for forming your own beliefs & testing peoples consistency but at the end of the day we need to get back to reality & talk about applying principles as well as values/end goals etc. That's what I mean.
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>>134002749
this
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>>134014542
Nah that's fair enough. Destroy people with weak arguments when they try to represent a group by all means, but be careful not to project their failure on the persons arguments themselves. Her works are there for all to read & deconstruct and I'm wary that you're simplifying for example Ayns view on individuals & conciousness and subsituting it for 4chan argument strawmen you've beaten down in the past. Seems a little silly & seems like what you've done.
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I thought all ancaps were warhammer larpers desu
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>>134015045
I'm willing to take the discussion wherever it goes, if it becomes about logistics then that's fine too. I was responding to something, and then I have to adapt to where the discussion is.

I don't believe in the individual as a goal, because that view is based on a false or oversimplified image of what an individual is.
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>>134015255
You won't tell me where I'm wrong, just preparing me for the possibility that I am. How considerate. It seems to me like you don't understand Ayns views on individuals & consciousness either. Do you see how absurd this is?
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>>134015434
I see. What about individual rights & freedoms as the goal for the good of both the individual & by extension groups?

Is it a disagreement in method, intentions or outcome for you?
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>>134013904
Truly.
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>>134015719
Hard to say how exactly you're wrong when you haven't exactly shown why Ayn Rand is wrong, but that's exactly what I'm doing introducing the possibility that you probs don't understand her arguments which is why I asked (didn't assert) how well you knew her views on those areas.

> Do you see how absurd this is?
It's not because I asked, you asserted.
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I used to like anarcho capitalism but it didn't guarantee to rid of the jewish problem and bring white birth rates up. It would also be the ultimate tool for the jew.
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>>134016983
Yeah thank God shitposting as a nazi will change those things!
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>>134015807
>What about individual rights & freedoms as the goal for the good of both the individual & by extension groups?

I simply believe that it's wrong to believe that kind of causality. Peoples are more than multitudes of individuals, there is a place for leadership in contrast to absolute respect for individual desires.

>>134016251
It is you personally that must accept or refute what I am saying. Even if you would choose to refute it by quoting Rand.
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Threadly reminder that all yellow-flag posters are literally insane.

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>>134014604
>>134014850
>>134012304
>>134012081

>>134014275
>nature born cucks
If by that you mean they are insane, then yes I would agree with you, Anon.
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>>133996168
An unwilling participant in communism doesn't act the same as one in an ANCAP society.
The Burger was using that as a term for people who don't care about making the system work and are just going to exploit its flaws for their benefit.
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/pol/ often makes shallow, idiotic arguments against ancap ideology so it's typically not worth debating here. energy required to refute bullshit is greater than energy required to create bullshit, etc.

anyway, the value system of libertarianism is the most logical and most ethical system out there. it should be strived for by ubermen. but the reality is there are too many low IQ criminal niggers in society preventing the elevation of mankind.

so I think there is a natural alliance that develops with the authoritarian right, as a means to an end. the trick for ancaps will to not be murdered on the lead up to the final solutions, as happened with other intellectual movements in the past.

it's a tricky alliance for that reason. ancaps may need to leverage relationships with other anarchist groups to keep the authoritarians in check as they rise to power, but the largest block, ancoms, seem too fucking retarded to be reasoned with at present. perhaps if we can drive a wedge between them and the authoritarian left, there'd be more room to negotiate common ground...
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>>134017368
Its all shits and giggles until you find a copy of Mien Kampf under your son's bed.
*wife's son's bed
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>>134018101
Communism is either authoritarian or literally immature left libertarianism with less libertarianism. The non conformers here are sent to Siberia. Only left libertarianism has absolutely no answer for the unwilling besides "deal with it."

And lynching.. but that's in extreme cases. Left libertarians are into lynch mobs, don't believe a single one that says otherwise.
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>>134018102
Showing your angry face doesn't change the correct point I have made... ---> >>134017811

Anon., you and the rest of your kind are literally insane.
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Yellow-flags are all insane... They can't stand to hear this truth being spoken.
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>>134018102
I know, it's honestly embarrassing how stupid these statist arguments are. It really shows you who the real beta-males are, as they are fanatically against people making their own lives.
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>>134018571
So really no form of anarchism is anarchist?
Because you have to force people to do what you want so the system doesn't collapse. So AnCap needs a state to work? That doesn't make any fucking sense.
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>>134013904
No evidence to support that, try again statist cuck.
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>>133994881
Here you go buddy. Two scoops for the big guy.
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when I read about how successful the fuhrer was at restoring Germany from the consequences of jewish tricks. UBI, wedding loans, nationalized energy industry all makes more sense than letting jews control it indirectly via lending rates or through the money supply in a gold based system. so ... the solution seemed to be that national fiat currency based on the labor output of the nation, nationalized industries, and gov't programs actually designed to help out are much better than a lawless society where moneylenders control production.
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>>134018906
This is like saying no evidence to support gravity, you have to live in a really fucked up place for this to not be a thing.
I can't find stats on it, though I'm not sure why anyone would gather stats on this.
Regardless, a number of people that do great things, a number of people that go into creative areas and actually do things of note is ludicrously minimal.
Most people are the average sheeple, some people are smarter average sheeple.
Not everyone can be Mozart or Tesla, they're rarities.
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>>134018102
You're right, Ancoms are spastics & no help. Use the right to stem the tide for sure, but the sidestepping of government, the implementation of new ideas that make it obsolete is the key to a transition imo. Fight the fight we need to fight while diligently working on putting new systems in place & spreading ideas to newer generations.
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>>134019559
Sounds like "i'm too much of a fanatical zealot of the state that I'm just gonna regurgitate statist propaganda" face it kid, authoritarianism is intellectually bankrupt, and the reason that you support government is because of your low IQ.
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>>134019979
When did I say I'm authoritarian and support a government?
I just think Anarchist arguments and proposed systems are retarded.
And don't make me post Nazi IQs faggot.
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