When did you realize the banks are the ones really in control?

>>133977325
Fuck I know most /polacks don't read but can anyone here with a half a brain reply so we can have a nice discussion, Israelis you guys are smart where you at.

My reply would be that socialist policies are not a good way to tackle "the banks", since they exist with the state hand in hand, without socialist policies they would never have grown this big.

That is why a liberal(classical) approach is needed to tackle the problem.

>>133979222
But how if you can't even get control, did you see that quote above? That came from the fucking finance minister of Germany, fuck your country, fuck democracy, we own you, that's it.

Fuck this black pill

>>133977325
Keep in mind that he lies a lot, because that's how he gains money and publicity and will write whatever helps him get more book sales.

>>133980282
I need proof, I need you're a greek and all but I just watched a talk by him where he made a very good point on the future being a dystopian matrix or something out off star tek, and at the moment we're edging to the matrix, the refugees being a bullet.

>>133980282
I'm surprised your country hasn't fully come apart yet. I expected revolution and political violence but it seems pretty calm, though beaten down.

Democracy was always a tool used by the merchant class to overthrow the monarchs. Only the aristocratic class was bred with intellectual and moral fibre as a selection criteria. The rabble we're mostly bred to be farm equipment. We need to return to rule by those who were born to rule.

>>133977325
It's pretty much obvious. But maybe during 2008 Ron Paul times when I was redpilled on the Fed.

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>>133977325
And yes, real Nazis support "Kike Slayer" Corbyn.

>>133979222

Here comes the problem: No matter if banks are state owned - and usury is officially criminalized - or without restriction, as long as there are central banks - that are additionally even owned .... I mean ... led ... by some clan "boards" - then you can rant as much as you want about
>muh bootlicking
>muh commie
>muh socialism
and the like.
In order to control the system, it must collapse. You can either have a hard reset, aka global societal collapse - which, quite frankly, WILL NOT happen - or you can have a soft reset, where the right (and the right amount of) people will get in charge at the right time and manage to abandon central banks and all that bullshit.

Well, that's my opnion.
The whole debate about "left vs right", "NatSoc vs liberalism", "Ancapism vs statist systems" is just leading discussion astray to give people false enemies to hate.

God help us all.

>>133981157
Now there are no aristocrats though. The dysgenia has hit too hard.

>>133977325
When did I personally? about 4 years ago, its been known for a relatively small amount of people for the past 100 years.

HAHHAHAHAHA


IMF Internal Meeting Predicts Greek 'Disaster', Threatens to Leave Troika :

https://wikileaks.org/imf-internal-20160319/

This black pill is fucking bad

>>133980685
Not saying it is a lie, but he has been caught just straight up lying on tv multiple times.
>future being a dystopian matrix or something out off star tek
Like I said, he writes controversial stuff that make him popular, and will write ANYTHING as long as people want to read it.

>>133977325

The first time I paid off my college debt, it got moved to another company and re-claimed as debt.

>>133981629
>The whole debate about "left vs right", "NatSoc vs liberalism", "Ancapism vs statist systems" is just leading discussion astray to give people false enemies to hate.

THIS THIS THIS THIS EXACTLY THIS IT'S SICKENING SEEING THESE "SKEPTICS"TALKING ABOUT MUH POLITICS WHEN THE ONES IN CHARGE ARE RIGHTIN FRONT OFF US.

This is the final red pill.

>>133981629
>You can either have a hard reset, aka global societal collapse - which, quite frankly, WILL NOT happen
Difficult but not impossible, have Germans lost all their fight?

>>133977325
I went through the rabbit hole with some youtube documentaries on currency, FIAT money, money as debt and money creation, also the gold estandard, intrinsic value etc.

Yanis Varoufakis is a marxist POS

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>>133977325
Bump. I really expected Syriza in Greece to go rogue and break away from the Euro. Truly, it is futile to expect electoral politics to achieve any real change in today's world. We need an old fashioned socialist revolution which will lead to a re-evaluation of all the values that today's capitalist system holds so dear.

>>133982206
Varoufakis is a neoliberal

>>133982323
>I really expected Syriza in Greece to go rogue and break away from the Euro.
>being this retarded

Only ones who would have done that are Golden Dawn

>>133977325
>Wolfgang Schäuble: I don't care who wins elections, just stop wasting european money
>4chan: jews, banks, globalists, conspiracy, degeneracy!

>>133982075

I hate to admit it, but yes. The ruling class - as in: basically 95% of people in politics - are 100% corrupt, corp. and central bank owned. Academia is (I work in a university and can speak out of experience) passive - when it comes to hard sciences [except the positions are at stake] - or totally pro system - as in: "democratic socialism", e.g. state owned shit and more regulations but the central banks get more influence - when it comes to everything else.
Then you have the "normies" so to speak, that are simply afraid of speaking up, because jobs (indoctrination here works quite well - is says that you're a worthless piece of shit without a job) and when they're jobless, then because of repercussions from state-side (Arbeitsamt) so they deny them the money/rent/new jobs.

We do have people that speak up - but only either in a "controlled manner" (that is: "populists") but are thrown under the bus all the time as delusionals, no matter if they're right or not, OR the thug groups that behave like literal nogs - as in: neonazis, antifa and black block people and all that bullshit. Which are, quite frankly, 99% controlled opposition.

Neonazi party NPD is a great example: It consists of approx. 30% state-payed snitches or undercover agents. They are openly nazi. Now comes the joke: There were 2 attempts (within the last 10 years) to ban them. First time they refused to in order to literally save the identities of the snitches. Second time, last year, they literally said
>party is definitely unconstitutional and must be banned
>no ban nontheless, because "too small and irrelevant"
>5 weeks ago a law was passed to """cut""" their funds
Really made me think

>>133977325
Here is what you don't realize is happening. Democracy is when 51% of people can vote to take away everything from the 49%.

So banks protect their investments. They bought IOUs from Greece, now Greece wants these IOUs gone, and banks object. There is nothing wrong with that.

What is wrong is that the same fucking 51% vote to fuck the other 49% and those who are not represented pay for banks and the desires of 51%. That's where the problems lie.

Democracy or not, Greece should pay their debnts, because they raked them up catering to the people who voted politicians into office. Greece had no problem spending that money. The beneficiaries should figure out the way to pay for it. It's called rule of law. Most people don't get it because we are all to far gone to understand that state can only redistribute the money and the bankers just protect their interests. We should also protect ours, not complain about banks protecting their money. And banks do fucked up shit, but in this particular case the banks want to get paid back for providing loans backed by the people of Greece, and there is nothing wrong with that.

>>133983057

addition:

That is to say: I do have hope and I will do my part. But we need to do it subtly so to speak. Too much and you're in jail, too less and you're thrown off as delusional conspiracist.
Literally living on the edge societally and politically speaking.

And that being said, not everyone ducks away. But we need to be extraordinarily cautious otherwise all effort will be undone in a wild police state-frenzy. So don't get me wrong, not everyone is fucked, but most people are either caught in what I said above ("proxy debate" to hate ANYTHING else than what is actually the problem) and straight up delusion or they keep quite to not be ousted from society

>>133983057
Only a carefully synced revolution in Europe can reverse this. Just procrete with a white woman and creat atleast 5 white children. i'm confident that within this century a major uprising will commence.

>>133981936

Yeah. I coined it proxy debate, because I'm a smartass. But it's essentially the way to do the D/C.

>>133977325
>COULD NOT BE ALLOWED
Well yeah. Greece isn't the whole EU. Greece doesn't own the Euro. There's things they can't do, like spiraling in debt, not paying creditors and damaging the trust in Euro and affecting all other countries with Euro.

You'll notice there IS a way for countries to leave the EU but there is NOT a procedure to "kick out" a country, so that is pretty much the only thing Wolfgang could say. The people of Greece doesn't have a constitutional right to fuck the EU. They could leave but this wasn't really on the table.

Imagine you shared the US dollar with another country as its only money. And that country would take tons of debt, "creating" tons of dollars and inflation. Then this country can't repay the debt and creditors lose money, making them fearful about dealing in dollars, including with the US who did nothing wrong during that time.

>>133983493
Create a revolutionary group, secret-societies. when the time comes we will do it. we need to make the world (((they))) created to burn in order to create a new one.

>>133977325
When did you realize nobody was in control, the machinery of government is actually so insanely broken that no one vision or plan can be effectively enacted, instead various nongovernmental power centres such as banks, media orgs, universities, NGOs, multinationals compete/collaborate with the actual nominal governmental power centres such as the military and civil service in a giant game of fuck everybody, all because we're such fucking pussies we can't actually just pick a guy and crown him King.

>>133981629
>WILL NOT HAPPEN,

well lets look at history, oh it is most certainly going to happen

>>133984102

>become part of EU
>somehow not being a souvereign country anymore

You realize that the problem is "interest" in first place, right ? It's not nations being assholes, it's central banks throwing out money like candy, charging interest and throw out more money WHILE SOMEHOW BEING FREE FROM DEBTH THEMSELVES.

Look at the fucking situation
>greece you nigger pay dentbs
>o-ok but got no monies
>alright sell your whole country mostly to me, because my EU dick is so big
>o-ok .... here have some 5 billion shekels
>alright, where's the rest
>ehrm ... there's no more
>alright, here have a fresh credit with additional interest charged
>o-ok .... t-thanks master ... here have your money back ...

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Read these two books to understand how bad the problem is.

The Creature from Jekyll Island

Web of Debt

The first is by a guy on the right. The second is by a woman on the left. They both cover much of the same material.

>>133981756
Cmon dude you don't think a matrix like future in europe is possible? You know what I just saw outside my house.

6 african females, all fat, 3 off them with kids, now knowing that IQ is correlated to Obesity and having children what do you think the final result over decades off this is, meanwhile my cousin is 34 with a masters in mechanical engineering and is going to have his first and only kid, WE ARE FUCKED.

A total nationless free europe, no morals or passion for the common man, it's going to be an ayn rand nightmare, I'm not getting trapped in this shithole.

>>133984099
Good name.

German I'll post my email here in 5 mins, I would like to keep in touch

>>133984860
I will, I really will, I heard about the Jekyll Island before, what is it about? Thank you pirate.

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>>133977325
when I looked into WW2 and how the Jewish banks fucked it's economy and how when he kicked the Jews out and the banks out. it all became better

>>133984584

History has shown only that you and and your UK fag mates initiated countless wars, because your overlords told you so.

Thanks for making WWI an ideological conflict instead of some feels/soil shit.

There will be NO hard reset, except when every technologic institution around the world will be destroyed at the same time without remorse. This will not happen. You're delusional if you think it will.

>>133984739
You realise we keep giving more and more money to Greece while forgetting debt. Of course it's not the fault of most of the people of Greece but you shouldn't let a country have such a huge deficit for such a long time, if you keep voting for parties willing to keep spending, it's no wonder those things happen.

Also
>become part of EU
>somehow not being a souvereign country anymore
It's the case anytime you sign a treaty of any kind. You engage your country and bind it into following certain rules and you can't do whatever the fuck you want without breaking the whole treaty.

Because of NAFTA, the US can't raise taxs on Mexican products without breaking the whole treaty, including free trade with Canada.

>>133985088
It will, we'll force their hand.

>>133985013
The Federal Reserve was a plan designed in secret to dupe the American people into allowing a central bank to be created and for that bank to create unlimited debt-money out of thin air.

BTW here's the one in charge off the euro group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Wieser

First time I'm hearing off this guy.

>>133985230
Not me, you have shit medias

HOLY SHIT THIS IS FULL AND I MEAN FUCKING PACKED OFF REDPILLS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szIGZVrSAyc

WTF

>>133977325
Do you honestly think that Corbyn can solve this? Even if that happens, you'll just have other people fill in the power vacuum. And those people will probably be communist.

>>133985088
hey kraut here's my email : [email protected] send me an email

>>133985088
>Lol yes im delusional for thinking we will start another war to end all wars. Get a clue

INb4 major war in the next 50 years screen cap this!

>>133985468
funny enough I just watched that yesterday, really is pretty red pilled doesn't know everything and hasn't connected all the dots or atleast he has come forth about it

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>>133985521

Someone ripped off Thomas Sowell.

>>133986068
Very very interesting

So essential according to him(so far)

The french and the germans are battling it out, fucking baguettes and krauts should just battle to the death

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>>133977325
Momentum, pls.

>>133985130
>>133983073

We're not "forgetting debt". We say "pay some less as long as you pay some". And since Greece is at its knees since practically 2007 they had to sell pretty much half of their country. Airports, energy businesses, other important infrastructure - owned by German private businesses.
And now, because they have nothing, all we're (as in: we as well as the shitty ECB) doing is giving Greece new credits with more interest.

They can never pay back. Hell, we operate on trillions of debt as well. As well as the USA.
We. Are. Virtually. Owned. By. Central. Banks. And. Corporations.
Even you and your family. Even poor """refugees""" and actual refugees. Everyone.

I agree, democracy is just a tool of minority dictatorship in the truest sense - the worst of all if I may say so. Because we suggest everyone they can become part of the ruling class and "your vote counts, just buy the new car on credit". Major scale scam.

>>133985891

There was never a war to end all wars. Or do we have no wars ? Even the amish have heard that shit's going down in Syria.

>>133984739
Look at the fucking situation:
>Greece gets money
>Nobody works, everyone enjoys iced coffee
>Greece asks for more money
>EU: will you pay back?
>Greece: Keep your hands of me, nazi Germany, Merkelreich, Leave the EU!

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>>133979570
>But how if you can't even get control, did you see that quote above?

Isnt it interesting that both millenial lefties and incorrect righties are against the same people?

Left are after the 1%.
Right are after 2% jewry.

We are after the same people, and they are shitting their pants because we are actully close to coming together against them.

Pic related, its Antarctica.

>>133986574
>>They can never pay back.
I don't understand how people still aren't aware of these "debts" literally being non-repayable by design.

>>133987121

The system itself is massively flawed. Hell, it's modelled based on the fucking exponential function. Which is based on the generation of debt in order to keep the show going. Where debts are payed by making debts. Do you even understand how pretty fucking bad that is for every single human being on this blue ball except those view that own the central banks ?
You're pretty much in denial at the moment. I'm not blaming jews, degeneracy and neither am I spinning a conspiracy theory. I'm stating facts. Not alternative facts but FACTS.

>>133987457
Exactly

>>133977325
democracy is cancer and not the solution
democracy is the problem that brought us to this point
democratic powers, if at all, should be granted only to non-state budget recipients who have a permanent residence in the country and own property, no gibsmedat receiving, no state employed, no payg pension receiving individuals allowed

>>133987554
Facts:
1. Greece joins EU, gets cheap capital, greek banks give cheap loans
2. Nobody pays loans, banks go bankrupt, Greek GOVERNMENT buys banks
3. Greek government spends enormous money in public sector.
4. The deficit is too big to get new money from the EU, Greeks start to lie about their deficit to get more money

>>133987537

Because we learn to ignore it. And that's a miracle to be quite honest. Y'know kids learn "I help you, you help me" and they go by that. Now they learn in school regarding finance "I help you and you help me back but twice as much". But because we're pretty much raised to be not critical about anything supported by the system, we seize to question the loophole. We gladly throw money and workforce into it by the sweat of our brows.

>>133987554

*few

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Daily reminder that even Jesus shat on usurers.

>>133988101
>gets cheap capital, greek banks give cheap loans
I'm missing due dilligence somewhere around this point, perhaps because it's the standard operating procedure of kraut bankers in search of fresh blood?

you're also forgetting the fact that ECB finds no problems buying €80B corporate bonds per month, for 2 years now?

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>>133977325
yes. bankers run the world and our democracies are basically a puppet show. if people don't understand how (((currency))) works nothing in politics will make sense.

basic currency red pill for newfags
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrJGlXEs8nI

how it relates to mass immigration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH-nBcrTwYI

the central banks are at the root of most problems. this is the exact same kind of shit that led to the rise of fascism pre wwII.

>>133988101

Which is neither wrong nor doesn't render what I said wrong or anything.
Please start thinking outside of what EU autocrats and our """divine""" government tells you. It will only benefit.

I will now post a copy pasta from a thread 2 weeks ago. It's got some shit in it and it's not easily digestible, so you might take your time:

It is impossible to understand how the kikes have a stranglehold on the world and how absolutely fucked everything is without understanding how the monetary system works. The foundational work of national socialism, "Abolition of Interest Slavery", is meaningless unless you grok how it all works. I don't care much for economics - I prefer thinking about health, family, race, nature, etc - but usury is what funds our opponents, so we must understand why and how to kill usury.
In this thread I will attempt to explain it.

HOW CURRENCY ENTERS THE ECONOMY

When the government wants to spend money, the National Treasury (which stores the funds of the US govt) sells treasury bonds. The Federal Reserve (privately owned central bank) then prints currency to buy these treasury bonds. Private Banks act as an intermediary between these organizations, buying treasury bonds and selling them to the Federal Reserve at a profit. The end result is that 1. the Federal Reserve has treasury bonds, 2. Private Banks make a profit, 3. the National Treasury has cash. The government then spends this currency on a variety of things - about 90% of the US budget is medicaid, medicare, the military, and social security; in other countries the spending breakdown varies but in the context of this post we can ignore where this money goes because ultimately most of it ends up in circulation.
(Note that the Treasury owes the Fed a return on the treasury bond greater than the initial amount that the bond was purchased for, meaning the government owes more currency to a private bank than there exists currency. The federal income tax was originally implemented in the US to pay the regular coupon - kind of like an interest payment on a bond - from the treasury to the federal reserve on all existing bonds)

>>133988380
>>133988380
>procedure of kraut bankers in search of fresh blood?
It is not kraut bankers, it is also dutch and french. You don't need money don't take it. Are you a commie or something who is against basic principles of capitalism?

>you're also forgetting the fact that ECB finds no problems buying €80B corporate bonds per month, for 2 years now?
Boosts consumption and investments

>>133988869

FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING

When money enters the economy it ultimately ends up in a bank. It might change hands several times first, but it ends up in the bank account of a person or business at a Private Bank. For the last ~500 years, western banking has operated on a Fractional Reserve system. This means that only a small % actually needs to be kept in the bank for daily bank transactions and the rest can be loaned out. Whenever a bank loans out money it effectively increases the amount of currency in circulation. The person/business that takes out a loan spends the money and it ends up in another Private Bank, and the process repeats adding currency to the supply each time. Since interest is owed on every loan at every step of the way, the total amount of debt is even higher than the total amount of currency in circulation.

BOOM/BUST CYCLES - ECONOMIC RECESSIONS

The amount of currency in circulation (ie. inflation/deflation), the amount of debt owed on loans, and economic growth are all proportional to one another, this causes inevitable market bubbles and crashes. When people take out loans they spend that cash to stimulate the economy and currency is simultaneously created by the fractional reserve system. This drives the bull economy of abundance that precedes every crash. When people have money, they pay off their debts. This destroys currency and causes deflation which causes a market crash. Since a much larger amount of debt now exists than the currency to pay it off, there will inevitably be (likely millions of) people who are forced to default on their loans, face foreclosure, and declare bankruptcy losing everything they own. To add insult to injury, in the most recent US recession the few banks that lost money on this were then bailed out using taxpayer money - far more numerous however are the banks that profited off the entire cycle.

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When I saw The Big Short. The Bank torpedoed the economy, and only one Wall Street guy got arrested for anything.

Also, when nobody from Enron was jailed.

Or, when I read three chapters of The Creature From Jekyll Island.

>>133977325
Is this 2010?

Who's in charge of the banks?

It's starts with J and ends with ews.

>>133977325
The banks run everything, but you're an idiot if you think Corbyn is anything other than bad news.

>>133988963

RECAP

The Federal Reserve is private owned by a handful of individuals (who also own the major Private Banks).

These (((handful of individuals))) make money on
1. Receiving regular coupon on treasury bonds from the Treasury (your taxes)
2. Interest payments from loans (usury)

If everyone attempted to pay back their loans, all currency would cease to exist before we ran out of debt to be paid. Republicans who say they want to pay off the national debt are talking out their asses - it is literally impossible since our entire economy collapse as currency disappeared.

Economic recessions are caused by tying inflation/deflation to a debt backed currency. Democrats who say they want to regulate businesses to prevent economic collapse are likewise lying through their teeth.

Hitler nationalized the central bank and offered interest free loans (New German families received the equivalent of $44,000 USD in today's money, and this loan would be forgiven upon having kids.)

If you want to cripple the kike-globalists, stop using banks and advocate for anti-usury.

>>133988571
new link for first vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miD_mtAEdRs

>>133977325
>When did you realize the banks are the ones really in control?
When I checked what countries has banks owned by the Rothschilds.

>>133989351

About 97% of money in the world is actually created by people taking out loans.
Booms and busts are created by banks either giving out too many loans (boom) or not giving out enough loans (bust). The 2nd situation leads to debtors scrambling to find the money to pay off their old debts, because when money is created via a loan, only the principal amount is created, not the interest that needs to be paid. But those interests need to come from somewhere, and that is new loans.
This means banks can artificially make the economy crash by stopping the creation of new loans. When the economy reaches this point of a bust again, the juden start buying everything of worth (mines, water supplies, houses, airports, company stock, …) for pennies on the dollar. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum and you have a small clique of people possessing more and more of the world's actual assets.
What central banks essentially do is make sure this system doesn't crash too hard too soon, they're there to make the boom cycle last longer, and they do this buy buying up bad debt. They can do this because unlike a bank, a central bank doesn't have to balance its books, they can just buy debt with money they create out of thin air (commercial banks also create money out of thin air but they still have to somehow balance their books).
What i've noticed is that this system has reached a point where it just doesn't work anymore (the economy is still shit and people jusst can't go into any more debt even with ZIRP) and my guess is that they're trying to do a big reset by igniting a gigantic war.
Thank you for making this thread. I've noticed that monetary policy is something a lot of people around here don't know much about, while it is one of the most important - if not THE most important - pillars of jewish power over us.
Two books i recommend on this subject are
>Web of Debt - Ellen Brown
>Barren Metal: Capitalism as the conflict between usury and labor - E. Michael Jones

>>133988580
You lend money to people. They don't give it back. Call you an asshole for wanting it back. You agree with them and blame "the system". is it a financial cuckoldry of some sort?

>>133989544

Germany’s currency and trade systems begin to give one an understanding of the causes of World War II. This was stated by Hasting W. S. Russell, who wrote at the beginning of the War: “A war of financiers and fools, though most people, on the allied side at any rate, do not yet see very clearly how financiers come into it. . . . Financiers also desired war as a means of overthrowing their rivals and consolidating still further their immense power. . . . Hitler not only engaged in barter trade which meant no discount profits for bankers arranging bills of Exchange, but he even went so far as to declare that a country’s real wealth consisted in its ability to produce goods; nor, when men and material were available, would he ever allow lack of money to be an obstacle in the way of any project which he considered to be in his country’s interests.

This was rank heresy in the eyes of the financiers of Britain and America, a heresy which, if allowed to spread, would blow the gaff on the whole financial racket.” Gottfried Feder (an early mentor of Hitler) had been advocating banking reform as early at 1917, and was ardently against interest slavery and usury. In his Manifesto he stated that the source of the banker’s power and wealth comes not from work, but from “the effortless and infinite multiplication of wealth which is created by interest.” Instead, the German State offered loans for a set price. For example, marriage loans up to 1000 marks were implemented and were repayable in interest free installments. A quarter of the loan was forgiven at the birth of each child. Via this method, people were never stuck paying off an interest charge each month like they are today with the credit card scam, but instead their payment actually went towards paying off their initial debt.

>>133985189

Didn't see this before I mentioned Jekyll Island, but nice job beating me to it.

TLDR: the big banks and Federal Reserve make money on interest rates, on loans they never expect to be paid off. Fractional reserve banking rests in the assumption that your customers will never ask for their money all at once.

What's more, FDIC is a bailout scheme. It creates a moral hazard (that is, it exacerbates the problem it supposedly prevents), by constantly propping up failing banks via bailouts.

>>133988892
I don't see people taking any money, do you? this is exactly why governments were a mistake

>Boosts consumption and investments
again, I have no say in this, only the fact that inflation is eating away my purchasing power and have no way around the dictate of receiving fiat for my work/goods/services in order to comply with kikes' desire for pounds upon pounds of flesh

can't wait for the day it all falls apart
EU delenda est

>>133989643

Adolf Hitler describes the National Socialist monetary system in a succinct paragraph: “If ever need makes humans see clearly, it has made the German people do so. Under the compulsion of this need we have learned in the first place to take full account of the most essential capital of a nation, namely, its capacity to work. All thoughts of a gold reserves and foreign exchange fade before the industry and efficiency of well-planned national productive resources. We can smile today at an age when economists were seriously of the opinion that the value of currency was determined by the reserves of gold and foreign exchange lying in the vaults of the national banks and, above all, was guaranteed by them. Instead of that we have learned to realize that the value of a currency lies in a nation’s power of production, that an increasing volume of production sustains a currency, and could possibly raise its value, whereas a decreasing production must, sooner or later, lead to a compulsory devaluation.” He added, “We were not foolish enough to try to make a currency [backed by] gold of which we had none, but for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark’s worth of work done or goods produced.” The NationalSocialist economy is one based off work and production.

>>133989351
mom keeps telling me to take a loan and buy an apartment

keep telling her i dont want to be in debt for the rest of my life

>BUT ITS AN INVESTEMENT

bitch i will invest in something when i have the money to do so

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>>133989722
delenda est

>>133989722

>I don't see people taking any money, do you? this is exactly why governments were a mistake
What? So greeks took money from their banks and never gave it back, banks crumbled, government bought the banks

>again, I have no say in this, only the fact that inflation is eating away my purchasing power and have no way around the dictate of receiving fiat for my work/goods/services in order to comply with kikes' desire for pounds upon pounds of flesh
You are basically saying that capitalist economy and economic growth are bad

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>>133979222
read >>133982323 for confirmation
>We need an old fashioned socialist revolution
fucking commies can't wait to jump in "the revolution"

>>133986156
That man has more brain cells in a fraction of his toe nails than most who are in university positions in the entirety of the United States. The fact that his positions aren't more popular among youngsters everywhere effectively quantifies the problem with our society.

We have infinite knowledge at our fingertips with phones, and folks choose to use that level of power to find fuck buddies instead of improving their minds and knowledge. Turns out chasteness and humility is absolutely needed for progression of humanity. How to marry society with those individual qualities without the use of dated religion remains the largest problem we face today.

>>133977325
communism is equally disastrous in the long run
Corbyn praised fucking Venezuela multiple times
how retarded is that

>>133990371
>government bought the banks
and here's the problem, let them go bankrupt like any other business entity; all I hear are bailouts, haircuts, austerity, tax rise etc
when was the last time individuals got bailed out? after all, they are a "person" like any other legal entity, right? so why the double standard?

capitalism is great with sound money aka something Draghi can't pull out of his ass, and allodial land that doesn't exist any more in Europe
basically, AnCap is a system that's best suited for white nations, where individuals are sovereign and no concentration of power can occur, at least not the kind of power that's been treading upon freedom-loving people
I know that disruptive technology and the coming change in consciousness will make it happen, I only want to see it happen sooner rather than later, and there will be no violence involved unless some out-of-touch bureaucrat tries to pull one last move before he gets summarily executed for trying

>>133988963
This is nigger tier understanding of finance.

In fractional reserve currency is not created.
Credit is created. In monetary terms it means your ability to payback a loan. Credit is important in financing long term projects as it is essentially a time machine, where you use future income today.

There's no problem with credit, unless it's run by hostile minority for their exclusive benefit.
Also it helps for the jews that people are illiterate about finance.

>>133991459
how have our predecessors that predate the centrally planned kike monetary system ever manage to develop? sound money or magic?

>>133991459

No-one's complaining about plain credit. Tit for tat was never problematic you idiot. Usury and interest were and are.
Stop acting like a retard, just because you're on a vietnamese blanket knitting board

>>133991459
I think he means the interest is created amiright?

>>133977325
(((Democracy))) is a meme the same way (((capitalism))) is. If (((democracy))) changed anything it wouldn't be allowed it's just to appease goys and pretend they aren't under total control. All you vote on is changing the figurehead and whether you want to go JUST at full speed or light speed.
Have you, or any country, ever had a vote on immigration? Have you, or any country, ever had a vote on the legality of weaponry or even self defence? Etc.
This is normally the first thing people realise that I would call a redpill. Once they take that though they come to a fork in the road. Some take the right road and truly see. Others take the left road and they're the ones who tell you Jews are just scapegoats and dindu nuffin. They're the ones who climbed out the window of a burning house only to walk straight back into it through the backdoor and they try to drag everyone else in with them.

>Watch old GTA V video
>Player dies and respawns at hospitals
>"I think there's a conspiracy here"
>Zooms in on the Mount Zonah Medical Center sign and the X-Files theme starts playing
>"Wow, these youtubers are starting to get #woke"
>Suddenly All Seeing Eye fills one of the (((triangles)))
>Wood
>Trees

Very very sad news.

>>133981157
Class doesn't equate to genes in a homogeneous society, especially not back then.

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>>133991923
A pure Sound money would stiffle development, because you cannot exploit even stable future investment (like expanding agriculture)

Sound money probably never existed. There's plenty of accounts of tribes and nations using credit. A famous one is some polynesian tribe that used large stones as currency. They never moved them, but trusted you that you own them. 'Sound money' was used for trade with foreigners, hence the preeminence of jews.

>>133992135
Fractional reserve is not inherently Usurious. It can be mismanaged and interest rates can be too high. Catholic church used to say that 5% is the ceiling, above it is usury.

As I said, in it's essence FR is credit making. And that can be very useful if credit is given to responsible people and creditors are controlled to not abuse it. That's it.

>>133992493
No, there can be 0 % interest loan and there would still be credit.

>>133993319

Yes, absolutely. As I said, that's not what I'm raging about. Credit is natural so to speak. Charging 10% extra payback, because "your're so nice" is not.

>>133993319
I know there will still be credit, were talking about the made up interest for the loans to be created

>>133994078
If it's 10%, just default on a loan. Or restructure, more likely.

I've seen this line of arguing. It's overly simplistic. The problem is not the system, but the people that run it. There hasn't been a good pogrom of bankers for over a century and in Anglo countries for a lot longer.
Finance needs to be put back in check, it must serve the economy and not the other way around.

>>133994491
Islamic banking, apparently developed interest free. You had to pay a fee for your loan. Didn't really help them that much.

>>133993319
There is a HUGE gap between fractional reserve banking and charging interest on borrowed money. You justifying one with the other is a leap too far man.


There's a pretty good argument to be made for interest on loaned money just for the economies sake. There's definitely not for a fractional reserve system. Lending out your own hard earned cash is one thing, lending money that's not even there and you don't actually have is a completely different matter.

If you don't see how economies would get ruined by the sheer amount of wealth indistribution that would statistically follow is me thinking you don't comprehend fractional reserve banking fully.

You do realize that they actually receive ALL that money right?

If somebody with a savings account adds another $1000. And given hypothetical numbers a bank is allowed to lend it out 7 times over. You do realize that the bank actually RECEIVES it all right? The bank is literally lending out money that doesn't exists based on a risk assessment and then collect it all in REAL MONEY. So with depositing $1000 to a bank, the bank is literally allowed to turn that into a $7000 profit straight of the fucking bat. And that's even WITHOUT actual interests charged for it.

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>>133977325
>When did you realize the banks are the ones really in control?
When Andrew Jackson killed the banking system but then it came back

>>133981040
They riot literally every night.

>>133977325

Portugal-fag, to make it clear to you.

Varoufakis assumed that the Greeks are honest hard-working people that are in bad luck.


In reality Greeks are a bunch of self-entitled racist arrogant faggots that need to learn to work again instead of buying with their votes government jobs and government favors and handouts.


Put them all in Labor camps till they die.

Source: I am Greek

>>133997475

>country crumbles
>EBIN RAYCISZSZtsts !!!!!
really made me think

>>133997475
You Idiot, that's not the implication you fool, greeks could be roaches for all I care, the implication here is that you HAVE A DIRECT QUOTE FROM GERMANYS FUCKING FINANCE MINISTER TELLING ANOTHER FINANCE MINISTER THAT HIS COUNTRY CAN'T MAKE ANY CHOICES REGARDING THE ECONOMY!

Aka your country is owned by Troika.

>>133977325
I hear you man, Corbyn may support degenerate faggotry but to fight the banks is to fight the kikes.

>>133998015
>Aka your country is owned by Troika.

Yes I understand your argument, and I am telling you that is the way it should be.


Majority of Greeks are APES. They should be forced in labor camps by troika until they die. Their vote should mean nothing. They used their vote to buy temporary jobs, fuck up public sector and the economy.


Greeks should forever live in debt and have our country sold off to the highest bidder and all residents forced to work until they die.


We are AFRICA.

When I went to school for finance and got a job at a bank. Also before that when my father explained why he uses only cash to pay for shit he can afford and has never taken out a loan.

>>133996340
Let me dumb this down for you even further.

I'm a guy with $10k savings and i decide i want to be a mini bank.
So it lend it all out and charge a 10% interest fee. And at the end of the day once i get all money back i now have $11k!

That's all nice and dandy.

Now i'm an guy lending money on a reserve system. I lend it all out but don't actually give my money to the lenders and charge 10% interest. At the end of the day once i receive all my payments i have $21k!

And now i'm an actual bank on a fractional reserve system. I have $100m in other peoples money. I lend it all out and because i get to decide who i lend the money too i get to lend out way more than $100m. So instead i lend out $500m. I charge 10% interest on ALL of it. At the end of the day i make $650m, minus the $100m that wasn't even mine in the first place.

>>133998532
are you sure you're not a cryptot*rkroach?

>>133998015
You don't need the fucking quote to know that, just look at Greece's GDP compared to the interest rate and loans they've take out. They are being bled dry. Greece will eventually be out of the Eurozone, but they will be one of the last domino's to fall because they are literally just a money making scheme now.

>>133998532
boy you really hate your own people

>>133999217
t. greek jew

>>133992827
Their cheeks and chins are filled with our failures. They take it on because they are that altruistic.

My mind can't even comprehend the doctoral thesis of the one with a g name.

>>133998532

Yes but what is yor favorite video game

banks exist outside the state, they only fail when it suits them to do so, good comments fritzy a clear argument well concieved

>>133981629

Klaus gets it

>>133999217
>boy you really hate your own people

wouldn't you hate it if your own people put your country and yourself in debt and fuck up everything because they are selfish bastards and then have the courage to blame Germans?


Fuck Greeks. They are Apes.

>>133981936
Well there's that Rothschild quote about controlling money and puppets writting laws.

It's nothing new but people still likes their iPhones bettet

>>134001807
are you the communist Greek of our exquisite greekanons ? (My fav is tranny dead poster)

>>133998532
>work yourself to death for bank shekels

You're going for the Goy Of The Year, don't you?

last bump for the night

spread the word

>>133977735
Why Socialism is not the answer:

Listen to this guy about what hapened in UdSSR, specially about the Banks and economical stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuf9d3sci-w

>>133979570
Save your saving in Gold. The Gold market is manipulated, if enought people buy gold this will stop.

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The method of power used to control the world is debt. Lending money at interest. I mean if you thought that the banks weren't in control and being lead by low profile yet highly renowned families you're too young OP. The reality is that no, we are not free. We may motivate ourselves to work hard and mark money to provide for our children and families. Realizing that you will never get the carrot at the end of the string is half the battle. The other half is coming to peace with the realization that this world, these people, these jobs, are temporary. The riches celebrities in film or athletics are all susceptible to dying alone, sad, and miserable. The thing that keeps me going, pushing forward, persevering through out the black pill Babylon of this world is that we were created and made for something greater. That there is a God that loves us, cares for us, and while his timing might come into question with each individual on a more personal level, he will return. We weren't made to eat, sleep, work, repeat. Nah we were to live care free lives, where he was our provider but that was taken away from us through the deception of enlightenment or secular freedom. You must realize this first and foremost, that you and everyone else that think like you must embrace this higher calling. That you under Gods grace and protection will be the nemisis of this world through the wrath he will unleash. You want revenge? You want vengeance? You want vindication? You want freedom? You need to seek out God, fall in his favor, develop a personal relationship with Christ, and you will begin to feel that freedom you yearn for so much. Your eyes will truly open and begin to see the world for what it is, a failed experiment corrupted. It'll get better anon, I promise.