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Why arent you a satanist poll?

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Since you already know the beta shit of Christinaity here are the commandments of Satanism

Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
Do not harm little children.
Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.


>fuck up someone who hurts you or your family

>only take what you need and be independent

>dont support a high overbeing or mythical creature

Why arent you a Satainist /pol/?
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>>133881035
>babby's first rebellion
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Forgot to add one thing:

Most priests/popes of your cucked religion are pedophiles. Clear rule here not to harm children here.
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>>133881035
>Do not harm little children.
Oh, so this is the LARPing kind of satanism.
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>>133881035
>beta shit of Christinaity
Satanism is mental retardation tier.
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>>133881567
Depends on how you look at it. This kind has a tradition, rather than being contrarian Christianity.
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>>133881035
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>>133881035
>Why arent you a satanist poll?
because its a fucking pyramid scheme .

its no better then the church of scientology or the catholic church. its just a bunch of rich jews asking you open your wallet for a "higher power"

why do i need to enthral myself to some religion?
why cant i just live my life the way i want to?
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>>133881035
The only reason I'm not a Satanist is because it's focused on Christianity. I live in a post-Christian society, so it feels like LARPing.
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I used to be until I learned that it was a jewish controlled opp.
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>>133881035
I don't need to be anything other than myself , faggot.
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Lair is very cringy. I'll give my opinions if I damn well please to, don't like it just say you don't and don't be a pussy about it. Everything else is basic civilization tier rules. I tried this babies first rebellion and it sucks. Too many schizo larp'ers
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>>133881035
LaVeyan Satanism: For when Ayn Rand just isn't edgy enough.
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>>133881035
>lair
Nope, not interested.
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saged

everyone is deluded in a way, but you people being on the top of the delusion pyramid and call yourself enlightened is just hilarious
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>>133881747
And Christanity isnt? Christanity is without a doubt the biggest blue pill you can possibly take.

>rape and murder a kid
>god pls im so sorry i love you
>meet the kid in heaven because you said sorry god
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>>133881141
fpbp
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>>133881815
I feel like it's the opposite, real Satanism is blatantly evil but at least it's got a long history, Leveyan satanism tries so hard to be a "good" version of satanism that it's basically just a hedonistic version of wicca (which is itself just a LARPing version of true witchcraft)
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Because Satanism is for beta NEETs who are scared to talk to normal women and just try to be edgy in the hopes that they can see a fat ugly woman's tits in a dark ritual.
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>>133882519
>can only defend Satanism by shitting on Christianity
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>>133881567
The non-LARPing kind is Luciferianism, just so you know.
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>>133881035
I legitimately liked this shit when I was 12. No joke - those exact "commandments".

It's cringy bullshit, of course.
>mating signal
Lmfao
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>>133881035
Because I'm not a teenage faggot or an idiot.
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>If a guest in your lair annoys you, teleport behind him. Nothing personnel, kiddo.
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>>133881035
Because religions are bullshit.
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>>133881035
>Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

Yes , i should usually shut the fuck up. Learned that the hard way.

>Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

They don't.

>When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

"Lair" lmao. Sure , whatever.

>If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

Or just tell him to fuck off.

>Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

What happened to "do as thou wilth" you fucking faggots? she was asking for it anyways.

>Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

Or do , who gives a shit as long as you don't get caught.

>Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

Is that really how it works kid? wow , please tell me more.

>Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

Whatever.

>Do not harm little children.

I won't. Promise.

>Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

Or do , who cares.

>When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Then get out of the country ASAP or go to jail for the rest of your life.
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reminder of the beta trash 10 commandments

You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.
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>Worlds first LARPers (maybe after Gnostics, but they are at least decent)
>Literally worshiping a being that was created as our servant
>Worshiping a biggest loser in Christianity
lmao
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>>133882677
Lucifer isn't real.
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>>133881035
It's the other side of the Christcuck coin.

Native Paganism celebrates the nature of your country with spiritual lessons tied to the landscape.
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>(((Satanism)))
Yeah it's called Judaism.

Sage for sheer faggotry.
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>>133882677
Luciferists may not be LARPers, but it's still hard to take them seriously when their belief is basically "LOL Satan is actually the good guy"
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>>133881567
The family friendly version.
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>>133881035
That's the wrong kind of Satanism, OP. LaVey was a retard. I'm a member of the Satanic Temple, though.
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>>133881035
because (((fakanists))). The Satanic Temple is started, owned, and funded by Jews. They are not LaVeyan. I know several ex-members who left because of this.
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No torment is so horrible as the torment inflicted upon the hierarchy of evil in hell after it has been emptied of its' human inhabitants. After a thousand years of gorging on the lowest pleasures, growing ever more complex and depraved and horrifying, the hierarchy of slaves to desire turn on each other, their fortified beings that have fed on the fetid dead energies of billions of decaying souls encase them like an impenetrable armor against death, but not against the suffering caused by the higher ranking demons, and they create hells within hells within hells, abominations within abominations within abominations, and a trillion wasps stinging a trillion of your penises would be a welcome relief to the cosmic pain you will experience at the claws and hooves of your black void masters.

Enjoy!
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>>133881747
Just the theistic satanists.
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>>133883082
>>133883188
>cannot into child sacrifice and cannibalism
>inverted skydaddy ain't real
>*tips fedora*
Whether that is true or not is entirely irrelevant.
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>>133883102
and slurping semen
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>>133881567
We satanists are born larping. its expected.
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>>133883427
Sounds fucking hardcore. Can't wait for that shit.

Hey GOD? are you watching? watch this shit right here dawg.
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>>133882084
were/are you a satanist?
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>>133882125
no. no it's not.
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>>133881035
Don't know much about it. All stereotypes point to it being a recipe for being a weak person.
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>>133881035

Because I love too much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXhwXhv37Ps
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>thinks he can usurp the throne
>Looses
>Thinks he can destroy Christ
>Looses
>Thinks he can win
>Loss pending

Why not worship the weak, egotistical, advocate for degeneracy and chaos.

t. Realized my foolishness and gave my life to Christ years ago. He is the only way to true salvation.
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>>133882558
LOL. Are you a teenager?
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>>133883590
God won't look in your puke hole any more than a dog owner upturns his buried shit. But God was watching when he gave you the shitty parents you deserved, and the shitty life you deserved, because the idiotic choices you made in previous lives, and you deserved every modicum of misery and you will still.
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>>133883500
>child sacrifice and cannibalism

I can.

>Whether that is true or not is entirely irrelevant.

Agree , who gives a shit if Lucifer is real or not he's just some dude , same as God.

What have you done? oh you created the Universe? cool story bro.

And you? you're the owner and proprietor of Hell? that's cool brah.

Fucking pussies.
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>>133883335
(((Stanic Temple))) funded by Jews.
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I don't need to declare a religion to have a moral compass or set of ethics

but if I was shopping for a religion or wanted to LARP I would probably choose Satanism, I guess?
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>>133883937
>you're the owner and proprietor of Hell
Hell is Satan's prison, not his kingdom.
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Dehumanization involving
>gay orgies with HIV ridden old men
>eating their shit and drinking their piss
>getting tortured, pierced, cut and disemboweled
>having sex with and getting raped by animals (bestiality)
>performing human sacrifice aka actual murder
>rape, torture and murder or children for "black magik"

I think you satanist, occultists, luciferians and all the similar rest need to fuck off from existence.
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>>133884145
Dungeons & Dragons
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>>133883937
Hands down the cringiest post ITT, including OP's.
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>>133884249
Dungeons & Dragons hell is owned and operated by demons while Christian hell imprisons demons, iirc.
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>>133884187
Television has ruined your ability to filter incoming sensory data with movie plots ideas.
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>>133883897
Sounds about awwwright.

BTW, super cool Universe you made Gawd , it's so big i'm sure you won't mind me destroying some small and insignificant parts of it. It's not like you care either way.

Oh , look a tsunami. Fuck did 250.000 people really just die for no apparent reason? man , God sure does work in mysterious ways.

Say it with me guys , there is no God but Allah and Muhammed is his profit.

They're hiding in that building over there , grab at least one of them alive.

Allahu Ackbar!!

Allahu Ackbar!!
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>>133881035
>dont eat this fruit; WHEN you do; you will die
>you wont die
>dies
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>>133884278
Come with me on my journey.
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>>133884376
still a fantasy
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>>133881035
why larp, faggot?
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>>133884187
Sounds like fucking fun if you ask me.
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>>133884379

>Television

Combination of cell phone + TV, all media. It's a multi-dimensional game.
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>>133884145
Kinda like earth is ours , oh wait i forgot this is a school. Sorry.
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>>133881035
>Do not harm little children.
What if child consents tho?
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>>133884736

It's not.

The entire point of the process is to break you into being a slave to desire, rather than to make desire a slave of you.
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>>133884643
>>133884736
I think it's bed time now for this young fella. You ain't supposed to be posting on a 18+ board anyways, kiddo.
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god kills millions of people during the Flood

satan kills 10 people in total

god is my savior i love god praise god
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>>133881035
>If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him curelly and without mercy.
Literally is "yell at everyone you disagree with". It's SJW and retard behavior.

I'd rather keep my more civilized christian "treat others as you would like to he treated" morals, sorry you have to act like a brainless chimp.
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>>133885039

How many were created by Satan's will and what is the extent of their character?

Now ask this of God.
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>>133884840
Cool , cause i'm into BDSM. Dom , sub , who cares?
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>>133881035
Kek

Because I am not an edgy teenie Beta Male
Scared by the emotional abuse of my father asking me to help my mother with chores and finish all my home work

Pic Related

Typical Pagan/Satanist in love
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>>133881035
>Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself

If people actually listened to this there would be no advancement in society or uninterested help. You CAN and SHOULD worry and seek to improve matters even if they do not concern you directly. It's the base of civilization and benevolence. It's called being a good person.
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Because individualist, materialist, egoist, moral relativist trash is the reason western civilization is collapsing, OP, so shove your shit pseudo-religion back up your ass and kill yourself you illiterate turbonigger.
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>>133884886
I'm not supposed to be doing a lot of things.
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>>133885379

Ironically, you die empty when you follow the path of desire.

But, that's your path to take if you choose.
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>>133881035
basically ten commandments but sure call it satanism if you want to be edgy
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>>133885477
You need to stop embarrassing yourself
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>>133885395
EAT
WHAT
THOU
WILT
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>>133885480
You die either way , faggot.
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>>133885563
>implying i don't enjoy being embarrassed and humiliated
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>>133881035
>>133881035
>If he does not stop, destroy him.

Just, no. GOD no. When your religion allows you to fuck someone up for disagreeing with you it's not too far from the "If they don't convert to muslim you can kill them" bs in the Qran.

No matter how much someone harms you you may not return the bad treatment, vengeance is bad. You shall love them nonetheless and treat them kindly. That's the biggest slap in the face.

You shall not hate people, even if they do you or your family wrong. You're nobody to pass judgement. Instead, pray so that they can go through their hardships successfully, and pray that God helps him or her learn that what they're doing is wrong.
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>>133881035
>poll?
Dropped
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>>133881375
They're not christians. They're awful people. Just because a rapist claims to be a christian doesn't mean christianity endorses rape. That's just stupid.
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>>133885652

Death and I are quite familiar, I'm aware.

A man's most lasting measure is how he contributes to making his environment better. No matter what that environment may be.
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>>133885460
Why should i care about something that will happen after i'm dead?
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>>133883961
It's all jews. That's why the pirate posters all sound like jews, the edgy (((totally not kabALLAH, goyim))) satanists use it to look all edgy and satanist. Disgusting.

WASH YOUR HAIR.
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>>133881035
i'm a pagen
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>Christians Look Out!
>I make my own rules!
>My father can't make me mow the grass anymore now that I'm 18
>Hail Satan
>Join me /pol
>We are the most powerful religion on earth
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>>133882519
What is forgiveness.
If someone is truly sorry, the good thing to do is forgiving.

If someone kills your child, and they're truly sorry, you forgive them. That doesn't mean ignoring they're dangerous. It means not hating them.

Hating others only harms yourself. Holding resentment hurts nobody else but you.
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>>133885847
>Satanists don't care about their children
Again, this is why /pol/ is not satanic. You might want to go check out /leftypol/ though.
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>>133883897
You're on some poetic shit btw. I enjoy it.

Unlike you however , i don't limit my enjoyment to what daddy God approves of.
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>>133881375
Bruh, the pedos that's about to get busted in the news...all satanists...don't be surprised when people you know get pinched...your religion didn't escape the pedo ring, it's where the pedo ring started.
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>>133886049

>Holding resentment hurts nobody else but you.

Sometimes it feels so good to wallow in it though. Thus is the crux most fall to.
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>>133881035
Lol, this is the shit I was into when I was 13. Satanism is literally just atheism with edgy shit mixed in. You can believe in those ideals without being a faggot.
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>>133886063
I'm not a Satanist.
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>>133886179
You might wanna stop using that pedo pirate flag then famdingo.
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>>133886179
You should still kill yourself for the good of the white race.
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>>133886160
>Implying that Satanism isn't to be taken seriously
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>>133881035
believing in satan is the same as believing in the other desert gods, true white religion is european paganism.
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>>133886252
It really isn't. It's mostly just a bunch of edgelords like Marilyn Manson that sign up. It isn't even really organized. You can pay to get a membership, but there isn't some kind of "church" to go to, and there is no meet-ups. No community at all.
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>>133886252
>OR ELSE
I think you and achmed need a room
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>>133881035

Why did you take so long to write 'dont act like a nigger'
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>>133884520
Not reading and adhering to global rule #2.
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>>133883961
They are. They got a huge donation from a jewish group to fund their Satanic Monument. Ask Lucien Greaves about it. The head of Satanic International got him to admit it.
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>>133886498
>Hitting people who annoy you isn't acting like a nigger
Actually I think it's the other way around
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>>133886697

They can have all the money in the world.
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>>133886014
those fags have no idea that baphomet is not as satanic symbol
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Question to thelemites. What if my true will is not what I really want?

Where is my freedom in that?
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>>133881035
LARP and SAGE
this has got to be the edgiest bullshit i have ever seen
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>>133885395
pagans=98% fat. always.
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>>133886237
Ahoy! Ahoy!

A pirate's life for me!
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>>133886249
Fuck the White race.
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>>133886878
then its not your true will
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>>133886614
I'm not aware of said rule. Please provide quick rundown.
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>>133886952
hardly
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I prefer esoteric hitlerism
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>>133886878
what do you mean by "want" ?
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>>133881035
>Why arent you a satanist poll?
because i'm not a spiritual faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKBpBrsXMuk
c: church hazel

>poll
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>>133886462

I have never met anyone in my life tha
t was doing well for themselves that play dress up time and edgy Satanist play time

Everyone of them have been ketamine injecting; meth heads who are smoking pot 24/7 stuck in their 30 year old edgy teen years

Mostly Losers that are social inept that worship edgy music
Marilyn Manson, Ghost, Slayer (Hated listing slayer here)
Goat Whore

>What antisocial behavior can I act out to the sound track of my life


I know !
I'm a Satanist
That will show them pure shock
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>>133881035
I doubt you've ever read the King James Bible. Or you read two verses and were just like "Pfft this is dumb" and went on some weird deluded route of Satan worshipping.

Satan is the reason for faggots, trannies, the wars, the raping and pillaging, the drugs, the robberies, the race baiting hate culture, the thefts. He only comes to steal and destroy.

Satan hates God's creation and will do everything to destroy it. You should probably repent and open up a Bible and start reading.
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>>133881035
>Satainist
why cant you type straight?
are you a stainist?
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>>133881035
Ok, so if everybody stopped doing what the Ten Commandments say we would be in a much better place today?

What do you think built up western societies the last 300 years? It wasn't Satan. You're probably one of those people that sits on a high horse thinking your some special superior intellectual.
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>>133887337
>>133887205
Suppose I want to change my place in the universe.

My true will is X, and the universe would "flow with that".

But what if I want something else? I know it would be fighting against nature, but is there no other way?
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>when /pol/ doesnt realize that satanism isnt about believing in satan but simple a set of guidelines to follow
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>>133881035
I didn't ask you for your opinions or advice.
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>>133881035
I'm not Jewish.
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>>133887656
If you follow somebody aren't you believing them.

Why would you follow somebody if you don't believe in them.

Your delusion is showing.
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>>133887737
Satanism ISNT hurrr HAIL SATAN!!!! You arent following anyone at all its a set of guidelines to follow and live life by
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>>133887381
I own my own business. In business for 27 years. Doing quite well. Agreed most other Satanist are embarrassing semi-living parodies and are intolerable.
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>>133885379
fuck off retard
lurk more edgy newfag
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>>133887381
Speaking as a satanist
all the music on that list is FUCKING GAY
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>>133881035
>satanism
Wew, lad, you're reaching "BLADE" levels of edgyness.
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Thread theme https://youtu.be/gdSMSMcPO68
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>>133888149

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBXv37PFcAQ
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>>133888015
Idk, this post came off as pretty edgy, m8.
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>>133887864
>satanism
>nothing to do with satan
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>>133887968
Instruct me on how to reach Marianas web then , newfag.
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>>133881035
Because Satanism is edgy bullshit.
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>>133881035
The only thing worse than following a religious ideology is following one that's made and named satirically based off another.
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>>133887864
I'll just invent hitlerism then and have it be about drawing ponies
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>>133882519
What's the difference between a baby and a pound of cocaine? Eric Clapton wouldn't let a pound of cocaine fall off a balcony.
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>>133886014
You definitely got the hot topic look down.
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>>133881035
What makes you think I'm not?
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>>133888367
https://youtu.be/u2bmY5qXBU4
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>>133881035
Fuck off.

Just bc we don't believe in a higher power doesn't mean we don't want to do good.
t. non-meme fedora
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>>133888431
Satanism refers to LaVeyan Satanism, which are just atheists that believe in hedonism and some edgy "creed".

Real devil worshippers are referred to as just that, devil worshippers.
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>>133882572
You don't socialize much... plenty of cool, regular people I know were or are practicing satanists. Most of them are just crustpunks, which, last I checked is still a tier above wannabe internet shitlord.
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>>133883335
Fake ass SJW tier bullshit.
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>>133888815
you mispelled jew
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>>133888815
Also, the reasoning for it being called Satanism is just to mock Christians, and because Satan represents the opposite of Christianity.
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>>133887327
Agartha will rise again.
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>>133888530
So?
At least we are aware of it.
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>>133881035
t. 14 year old.

You must be 18+ faggot to enter pol. Get out.
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>>133888773
Yes it does.
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>>133887327

>thuleism will never have a /pol/ meme flag
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>>133889260
He's gonna put a spell on you , watch out.
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>>133888721

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDAfa-NI-M
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This is by far the gayest thread I have ever seen in my entire life. Anywhere. People on Fumblr are talking about less gay shit right now.
Fuck all of you...I am gonna have my fucking opinion, and my opinion is that faggoty ass Satanism is like not washing your hands after taking a shit. It gets people sick. Faggot Satanists and their shitty dicks, are killing the rest of us...because they fuck everyone they can with their shitty dicks.
I am afraid I must INSIST hat if you want to live in my civilization, then you MUST wash your hands after taking a shit;, and not do like activities like buttfucking, then ever fucking another female again.
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"Do not give opinions if not asked."
>beta-Christians
tfw a retarded larping Satanist cannot even fake his own religion properly....yet believes he has the insight to judge others.
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>>133881035
why not go for judiasm instead? It's much worse.
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>>133881035
JoyofSatan.org
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>>133881035
All atheist larpers same with this PAGAN shit fuck you all
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>>133889792

>lucy getting flustered

No matter how much things change they always stay the same.
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>>133890036
Now that's funny right there...IDC who you are.
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>>133889579
https://youtu.be/31dHKSHKAZ0
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Don't you want to be like your leaders pol?
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>>133889639
Dude , you're doing a great work of promoting Christianity.
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>>133888970
Yep. They're mostly just laughed at by all the other satanic groups.
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>>133889098
only if your theistic and a teenager. some of my good friends are christians. i think they're full of shit but christians amuse me
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>>133890344
Yes , like Hitler in .45
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>Satanism
>poll
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>>133890143
jesus is death god of larpers
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>>133890344
Leader of the Elks?
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>>133890749
You're taking a poll on Satanists?
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>>133890302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPJwz39Hfk8
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non-theistic satanists are LARPing faux-philosophists.

plus the idea of employing any magic without actually calling upon any kind of spirit, angel or demon is a joke, chaos magick ruined the tradition of rituals purely because it's made for shut-in NEETs who don't want to do real work and just scribble on paper.
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Pathetic. Seriosuly.
And it's not even the real satanism, it's just the edgier version of fedoras.
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>>133882286
Oh I see this cheap comparison a lot by lefties and cyrypto-lefties.
LaVey did once famously say that his satanism is
>"just Ayn Rand's philosophy with ceremony and ritual added".
But he was full of shit; he gave lip service to Rand's egoism but incorporated NONE of it in Laveyan Satansim. His was merely a cheap rehashing of of Nietzschean Egoism.
And as far as Egoists go: Ayn Rand>Max Stirner>>>Frederick Nietzsche
Observe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYCCOiBSJW8

Now debate me.
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>>133890915
https://youtu.be/MWdU0VImjVs
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>>133885395
>muh Beta
When the place that worships your god has a health epidemic, as 70% of your entire population is obese but it's OK because you aren't an evil satanic pagan.
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>>133891346

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs
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I'm not a Satanist because I don't hate my Father.

Plus it's fucking gay.
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>>133891044
to further that point, actual satanism will have you on your fucking knees begging for even a smidgen of power. the idea of the "cool, strong satanist" is just laveyan shit, look up any kind of devil-worship in stories of the past— they were always grovelling little shits.
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>>133881035
I use to be a satanist, but the army made me get my tattoos covered up, and I fell away from the edgy satanism. It only broke down to self gratification and self worship, I am nowhere near that insufferable.
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>>133882677
Jesus is a lucifer-like figure against the demiurge
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>>133892245

>demiurge

Very curious that word is.

Demi urge.

One would suppose a dichotomy of desire.
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>>133886109
>your religion didn't escape the pedo ring, it's where the pedo ring started.

False. Started with Judaism then carried over to catholicism. The satanic panic was the church's way of shifting blame. Little did they know at the time, the government is full of satanists, and we still see the satanists carrying out their grudge over that blame.
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>>133892245
So dumb. How can you compare the God of the Physical Realm (Satan/Lucifer), with the God of the Spiritual Realm?
Is this bait. Did I just swallow the line all the way up to the pole /pol/?
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>>133891741
/pol/'s theme song https://youtu.be/VQEizl7lGhc
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>>133881035
>Magic
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>>133892783
He was a literal Jew right? I know more about the Crowley variety....
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>>133892731

I think of it more like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I
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>>133892923
No idea. I used to think LaVay was okay, and that his religion was the only one that made sense (though I never adopted it) but after I saw that, that killed any respect I had. He said some stupid shit.
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Will you go to Heaven when you die? Here’s a quick test: Have you ever lied, stolen, or used God’s name in vain? Jesus said,
“Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
If you have done these things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart,
and the Bible warns that one day God will punish you in a terrible place called Hell.
But God is not willing that any should perish. Sinners broke God’s Law and Jesus paid their fine.
This means that God can legally dismiss their case:
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death. Today, repent and trust Jesus, and God will give you eternal life as a free gift.
Then read the Bible daily and obey it. God will never fail you.
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>>133893181

>have everlasting life

sounds like punishment to me desu
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>>133892928
The official theme song https://youtu.be/HEuBVDhTPvo
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If Satanists were in any way secure in themselves they would acknowledge their beliefs publicly

Except they aren't and they don't because they'd be disowned by the rest of society for being edgy little faggots who can't be righteous thanks to their pathetic souls. At least it's a larp group for idiots who can't get laid otherwise, at most it's a group of liars and cheaters who need to fit in with other liars and cheaters so they don't kill themselves for being too pathetic. Nevermind the fact that they're all extremely scared of death despite their obsession with it and they're hoping they last just long enough to make it to transhumanism so they don't have to meet The Righteous beyond the veil.


It's essentially an advanced and organized defense mechanism to justify their actions to themselves.
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>>133881035

Because the Bible is too ridiculous.

Buddhism and old Pagan traditions make the most sense to me. Which is probably why Shinto has lasted so long.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9VcAFvJ2pk
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>>133891741
You again. Amusing thread isn't it?
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>>133893181
People who make such sweeping statements about what God will do about these different things, is leaving out the whole concept of everyone being a sinner, but as long as you have a good heart, are truly sorry, and change (Not just say some words) then you can be saved. These people are also leaving out judge not lest ye be judged.
These people are using Christianity as a bludgeon, and virtue signaling rather than its true purpose.
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>>133881035
>Satanists think they are edgy as all fuck following some beta bitch who only ever killed one family because God told him to in the bible
>meanwhile God killed literally every single human on earth OTHER than one family in the bible
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>>133881747
what the fuck makes you think that pic is a satanist
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>>133881035
the church of satan was just jewish subversion all along look up the founding members
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>>133893516

I have fun where I can.
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>>133893116
LaVey was an edgy faggot who didn't even believe in the cum he was gargling

Check out the Temple Of Set, they split off the Church Of Satan after the founder, Michael Acquino (you may recognize him as the guy with pointed eyebrows who wrote a paper about how to do a psyop) tripped too hard during a ceremony and learned that Satan's real name is Set, from Egypt.
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>>133892580
Lucifer/satan is not the god of the physical realm. That would be Yaldabaoth who is the great archon called God in the old testament. The true God is an unmanifested being.
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>>133893347
>The Righteous

u mean god
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>>133893347
>religion should be shoved in everyone's faces or else I call them edgy faggots
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>>133893791
I dunno about any of that fruity fucking shit. I only Jesus in the New Testament says only Satan promises earthly rewards in this life. He says it over and over.
OT is Jews continually say their God promised them earthly rewards.
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>>133894012
Comprende who is who now?
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>>133893791
So what's the point of existence again? to reach Nirvana or some shit right?

Can i do that without meditating 5 hours a day?
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>>133881035
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>>133893181
>This means that God can legally dismiss their case

fuckin jew
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>>133881035
Edgy faggots nowadays would get their dicks eaten by crowley in the desert, and not revel in it.

Git gud scrubs
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>>133886109
[citation needed]
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>>133893518

Good faith and altruism both fall to the same vector. Erosion of trust through greed and fear.
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Why would you pick such a weak deity?
>literally have to embrace the things that hurt you mentally to please him
If you wanna be edgy check the Occult but Satanism and Luciferianism are for damaged people and children.
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>>133893181
The Declaration of Independence says your freedoms come from GOD.
Now that you believe in Satanism...we legally have a right to revoke your citizenship.
How do you like me now fedora faggots?
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Let us know where you'll be going. We'll send you a postcard.
I hear Chernobyl is nice this time of year.
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>>133893676
All there is to do. I like my ID here.
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>>133894441
Failed quads because you are a faggot
what god do they specify? hmmm I wonder
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True story time , i once heard about a Briiish dude that went to India on vacation one time and while there he got his natal chart drawn by some wise dot Indian that knew about that type of stuff , the Pajeet told him he was destined to become a butcher of some sort.

Anyways , long story short turns out he became a serial killer.
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>>133893804
The All is not the same as The Chief Watcher

There's a lot more than just a few
>>133893938
I didn't say they had to go espousing their beliefs left and right, just that acknowledging their belief instead of hiding behind their lies would show their security in their views. Except we both know you pathetic little twats could never handle existing somewhere that knew you were such a pathetic little faggot. Why don't you guys make a mark of the beast and then apply it so we can observe you? Oh, right, you're just edgy larpers who can only exist within other cultures in secrecy because a culture of just you would tear itself apart in a week from the insecurity and pathetic nature you all share.
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>>133894012
Right, because Satan (a title more than a name) is applied to the old testament god who imprisons the human spirit to the physical realm.

>>133894097
Yes, that's pretty much yeah. Meditation is a way to it, but the path is unique for each individual person. Only you yourself can define it and achieve it.
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I'm technically a buccaneer not a pirate.
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>>133881035
Every satanist ive ever seen is beta loser
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>>133881035
I am, nice thread bro
hail satan
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>>133894700
Yeah, close digits mean something too. You dudes are hilarious.
I imagine it as the God of the writer of the DOI TJ...who was a CHRISTIAN.
Especially since all of his writings SAY that is the God he was talking about, especially the Constitution is based on NT.
Jefferson even wrote his own version of the NT.
It is super anti-Semitic...like it should be. If anyone is interested.
>>133894872
Satan is in control of the physical realm, and giving rewards of an earthly nature. the NT is clear on this.
So is the OT in many places.
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>>133894824
Where you getting all this from again? https://youtu.be/8Msegtqgn5s
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>>133895134
and who is Satan?
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>>133895280
The God of Jews.
The God of all those who rebel against God.
The Adversary.
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>>133889639
new pasta
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>>133895280
the babby
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>>133895365

But who is the fool?
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>>133881035
Because I'm not a gay Jew
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>>133895134
Your vanity with "spiritual knowledge" is more detestable than what anyone here is saying. Also, the bible is completely made by men, even if Jesus is the son of God than much of the Bible is not his word and is subversion based on human pursuits in time.
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>>133895439
All of us?
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>>133895504

That's bullshit, but I believe it.
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>>133895491
Gee thanks...I had no idea the Bible was written by men. Like every book ever. Stupid af.
Dictionaries were written by men who knew wtf words mean too. Will you disavow those next??
I am not vain. Everything I know comes from God.
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>>133881035
Well isn't this shit just being practical.
>satanism sounds like a self help book..tells you everything you already know but makes it sound original
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>>133895365
And who did Jesus rebel against that caused him to be killed be his followers?
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>>133895491
>the bible is completely made by men
lmao, how can you argue against the Bible if you don't even understand theology?
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>>133881035
Because satanism is semitic.
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>>133895763
You are too stupid to talk to.
I am getting ready to eat a Big Mac and get fatter. Later.
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>>133894872
That sounds somewhat legit , heil Satan ya'll https://youtu.be/JNjgzzmMYu8
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>>133895258
Getting all of what? The same places you have if you've done any research at all, you just backed the wrong horse because of your weakness.

Lucifer isn't Satan and Lucifer also isn't the bad guy. Worshipping the concept of evil is Satanism and it's full retard.

Set declared himself the only God and the most powerful, as did Yahweh. They're both considered the 'God of storms'.
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>>133895763
If anyone, the Pharisees, but the question is misleading since Christ didn't "rebel" against anyone.
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>>133895684
>>133895824
What I am saying is many things were added in throughout history, and written down by men means that the translations are not correct. (like playing the game telephone as a kid) It is funny to me that you guys talk about hell and satan with such certainty even though they are barely mentioned.
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Thanks for the fun thread OP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v8zxoEoA_Q
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>>133896019
Cool man, later.
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>>133896179
>Getting all of what? The same places you have if you've done any research at all, you just backed the wrong horse because of your weakness.

Nah bro , you're full of shit same as everyone else. No one knows what the fuck is going on so don't pretend like you do.

>Lucifer isn't Satan and Lucifer also isn't the bad guy. Worshipping the concept of evil is Satanism and it's full retard.

Why is worshipping the concept of good any better? isn't it all the same anyways?

>Set declared himself the only God and the most powerful, as did Yahweh.

Both full of shit , like you.

>They're both considered the 'God of storms'.

FYI?
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>>133896244
>many things were added in throughout history, and written down by men means that the translations are not correct.

What makes you say that, and do you have any scholarly evidence for these assertions?

>hell and Satan...barely mentioned
Spoken like a person who's only flipped through the Bible once or twice. They were major themes in Christ's ministry and heavily referenced in the Apocalypse of John, a direct revelation from Christ Himself.
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>>133896891
>No one knows what the fuck is going on so don't pretend like you do.
Truth.
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>>133897125
tfw nihilism https://youtu.be/anEMXOyCCqc
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>>133896252
https://youtu.be/VMw0EjLFPXw
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>>133897125
tfw nihilism but ur not a faggot about it https://youtu.be/77YrBZpRZn8
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Turns out i need to get fucking high so goodbye thread.
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>>133897423
>>133897582
Being aware of the limitations of knowledge doesn't imply nihilism though.
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>>133881035
>unless you are given the mating signal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1BblTB5iAw
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>>133897920
https://youtu.be/Kn5MzXQeKT8
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>>133897824
Everything implies nihilism https://youtu.be/YIGLNVyTCaY
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>>133881035
because the inverted pentagram you show there buddy is a symbol for the destruction of man , the true purpose of satanism

>why you not satanist?
baby-tier esoterics 'why you don't self-destroy'
>I'll pass motherfucker
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>>133898526
Is armchair pseudo-philosophy hard, or do you have to work at it?
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>>133898821
I'll go with the trap , as if there was any doubt as to what choice i was going to make. I'm a tried and true /pol/ack.
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>>133898973
It takes some effort http://theync.com/young-attackers-stab-pedophile-to-death.htm
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>>133898821

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Ar3ckeVOg
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>>133899061
You mean a new born Orthodox Christian ?
>excellent
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>>133899241
No , i meant Satan the delicious femboi sissy trap.
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>>133898821
>implying the lucifer is the evil one
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>>133898973
Bet you feel so very virtuous after watching that video.
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>>133898973
Poor kid

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>>133899525
The serpant hates man you stupid mong.
>>133899475
yes well, no . Into the trashcan.
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>>133899794
Keep thinking that, little man
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>>133899714
LMAO what a faggot.
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>>133899794
Are you implying i'm White trash?
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>>133881035
I'm a Thelemite. Close enough.
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It just so happens that i hate no one.
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>>133899864
No , better I try to wake you up you stupid faggot.
>>133900153
No you are spiritual trash .
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>>133900171
Termite. Dynamite. Mennonite. Kike.
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>>133900364
Because you know my spirit.

Spirituality is hierarchical. Some spirits are better than others , better looking , with bigger dicks and with more money.

And they spiritually cuck you if they can. They fuck your soulm8.
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I just love Russians. From Russia , with love.
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System malfunction. Correct course before collision. Abort.
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>>133899618
>Soooooooooooooooooooo virtuous, omg

Probably less virtuous than you, posting a clip from an AMC Jew drama to make a hypergay non-point.

Christ is virtuous. I am not.
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>>133900171
Tell me Thelemite, where is freedom if my only fate is what my will dictates?

What if such is destructive and not constructive, and I wish it to be the latter, not the first?
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>>133900618
Bollocks. You are at the bottom of the hierarchy , just like me, but I can admit it can you no ?
Because you're a faggot. So heed and wake up.
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>>133901198
I always wonder about the idea of Hell , so God is so inept that he can't fix ALL of his own creations?

He should go to a trade school or something.
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>>133901364
Whether or not free will actually exists is irrelevant. The universe is made up of material and may, or may not, be deterministic.

To consciousness, free will is a phenomena. To consciousness, choice and will exist.

With the insight that comes with spiritual practice, anyone can tap into their Will.

True Will--enlightenment--is where your greatest potential meets your greatest effort.

Whether that is destructive or constructive is up to you to decide. Maybe it's your Will to be a creator, maybe a destroyer.

The idea is to do your will while also allowing others to do their wills. That's called harmony.
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>>133901376
So you admit that there is a hierarchy and that some spirits are more alpha than you? correct?

This means that you're gonna get cucked at some point.

God is cucking all of us. We're cucks and we wear cock cages.

What do you think chastity is?

God is fucking our souls with his Big God Cock.

You enjoy it. You're a good cuck boi.
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>>133901364
Not the Thelemite but wouldn't the concept that we are living in chaos be the premise? so the freedom is going where you decide and if you choose to be constructive in chaos than your will would be constructive would it not?
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>>133901805
The universe follows a deterministic course dictated by inertia of cause and effect.

How would one find his true will when he's dragged into a raging flow of cause and effect he has no control of?

Self control and discipline? Letting go of human attachments?
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>>133901805
That's called bullshit , i don't have to be fair in my dealings with other people if i don't fucking feel like it.
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>>133901984
Nice tangent but you seem to be missing it all, you are not cucked by God, but by the serpent. Matter he says , reasons reasonable to be evil he says. Then you close your eyes and oops you're in a big cock cage in hell ,
>with no more leeway to change.

Why you think you were born? to learn to walk after you die.
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>>133902082
Just do you.
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>>133901647
>tfw criticizing God for giving us free will and not being a totalitarian Who would force people to be with Him for all eternity against their wills

Maybe you should try logic before you type
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>>133902293
Give me one reason why I should believe Christianity is not just a form of control men made back in the day to change the morals of their followers and set rules to keep them from leaving their sphere of influence.
>Seriously if you do this I will listen
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>>133902293
But what if God is not real and neither is the Devil and you can be either "good" or "evil" but it won't matter either way because you're gonna rot in the ground and that's it for you forever and you'll never find out why?

Imagine.
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>>133902082

You're worrying about whether free will exists or not.I'm saying that that is immaterial. What matters is your experience and the fulfillment you find in your life.
from Crowley's "Duty":

"Find the formula of this purpose, or "True Will,” in an expression as simple as possible.
Learn to understand clearly how best to manipulate the energies which you control to obtain the results most favourable to it from its relations with the part of the Universe which you do not yet control."

"The True Will stems from your own essense and is influenced by sum of all forces in your life. Some of these you share with other things in the Universe. For instance, you live on Earth and are subject to the same gravity as other things on Earth. Other things, such as your specific DNA or your particular experiences, are unique.

To use a simple object as an example, the true will of a sunflower seed is to grow under certain conditions. Some seeds will not grow into sunflowers because they do not encounter the experience of being planted in the proper environment. Other seeds may be eaten instead. Further still, some seeds may be the start of an entirely new species of plant through genetic mutation.

Humans are more complex. We have personalities and reasoning minds. We also encounter a much wider array of experiences during our lifetime. It is many times more difficult for us to discover and do our True Will. At the same time, it is infinitely more rewarding. Whereas a sunflower seed goes about the course of its existence automatically, we experience complex thoughts and feelings.

By discovering our True Will and acting in accordance with it, we act in perfect harmony with Nature. As an expression of our truest self, this Will empowers us to live a life of joy and fulfillment. We only live for a brief period of time. Why waste it?"
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>>133902351
Not?
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So Thelemites work on the presumption that there is no balance in the universe, and that your free will is just a flow that bests align with nature?

Wouldn't that completely break under a deterministic universe? It's widely accepted that the universe is both, and it has unpredictable aspects. Would one's true will then have to exist in the unpredictable part of the universe?
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>>133902351
Daily reminder that it was God who created the most equisite of sufferings even though he didn't had to.

He could have created an utopia , he could have made us fucking perfect (i.e incorruptible).

He could have not created the Devil had he wanted to.

But he did , allegedly.

What a sick fuck don't you think?
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>>133902657
I can't imagine a lie I've met God personally on LSD . Terrific moment, awe and so timeless.

>>133902596
Well look me I'm Orthodox and I have recourse to the lives of the saints, their incredible miracle working and some are stellar level, omniscient . I've corroborated from living people who recounted what they did and said to them .
>I can't deny, I believe . But you because you don't have access you must work your faith first and little by little. It's experiential, not an ideology.
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>>133902196
you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. but, generally speaking, when you fuck other people over and restrict their freedom, they return the favor by fucking you over, thus restricting your freedom.
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>>133902890
Hmm.

Free will then irrelevant, is that what you're saying?

How would one find one's true will then?
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>>133902890
>Humans are more complex. We have personalities and reasoning minds.

Only Aryans , everyone else is subhuman.
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>>133902911
The Book of the Law states that "there is no god but man". Its metaphysic is that ultimately everything is resolved into a sort of pantheistic monism, in which everything is one. We are a part of the All, and have our unique roles to play in the life of the universe. As the universe created us, embracing it with love and joy is the ultimate affirmation of life, and the attainment of peace.

We don't reject science, and admit that there is much left to be learned about the cosmos.

Whether or not the universe is deterministic, your experience of freedom is what matters.
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>>133881035
>To be a satanist you must follow these rules
>Also don't break the law
>Oh but you're free to disagree since you're a satanist

It was a psy-op designed to distract from the alchemical renewal. Much like the hippie movement was designed to distract from neo folk. Or like Christianity was designed to distract from gnosticism.
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>>133903069
That's called an hallucination , kiddo.
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>>133883378
LaVey was a Jew though.
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>>133903253
"do what thou wilt" is not "do whatever the hell you like", although generally speaking Thelemites believe in a sort of cosmic NAP, in that all should be free to pursue their true natures and desire, provided those do not collide with the desires of others.

Do what thou wilt is about discovering your true nature, and then enacting it.

In reference to Buddhism, Crowley called the True Will "nirvana, but dynamic, instead of static".

It is enlightenment mobilized.
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>>133903001
>Daily reminder that God could have created man and angels without the capacity for thought or free will but didn't, thus destroying the determinist argument before it started

Nah, your idea of a utopia is what's sick, desu
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>>133903072
>generally speaking, when you fuck other people over and restrict their freedom, they return the favor by fucking you over, thus restricting your freedom.

Unless you crush them completly and then they can't do shit to you. Nothing quite is as exhilarating and enlightening as the feeling of total and complete power over a helpless creature.

You feel like God.

At one with the whole and completly devoid of any pretense.
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>>133903332
If you think about each person as a point in the x,y axis. Each with a unique coordinate. Their position in that coordinate would be their place, position and role in the universe, yea?

I figured alchemists would want much more freedom than being a part of a fixed set. If being born an ill planted sunflower your position in this set, should you just accept it and not fight it?

>>133903627
That's similar to the answer that I was looking for.

To achieve Nirvana one would have to destroy one's own attachments to the world and the universe.

This enables you to understand what type of influences is dragging you to your inertial path of cause and consequence (essentially, your attachments accelerate you towards a predetermined end, with the ego being the mass of the self, and acceleration being caused by attachments causing such inertial force)

So finding one's true nature one require to break and destroy your old self in order to find it. How correct is this?
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>>133903858
>Unless you crush them completly and then they can't do shit to you. Nothing quite is as exhilarating and enlightening as the feeling of total and complete power over a helpless creature.
>You feel like God.
>At one with the whole and completly devoid of any pretense.
ow the fucking edge, son
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>>133903617
Crowley was a Jew, too
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>>133903490
well, you see when you meet God you hear the Sound of Declaration, its the ye-he-ve-he the kikes write about the name of God, but because they're unholy fucks for thousands of years , they've forgotten what it sounds like ( nothing like YHVH) so there you go buddy, the only one who's hallucinating is you on false ideas .
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>>133904095
His name is IEUE
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>>133903738
Pfft , you fucking people are disgusting.

Continue living your normie lives and ignoring the horrid pain that abounds around you. You don't realize the extent of it.

God is a piece of shit if he's real , which he's not btw.

There's only Nature , whom you can't blame for being indifferent to our suffering because it's not a person/entity.

There's this now and then you die and that's it. Maybe we reincarnate and live another life and so and so forth until entropy destroys everything , who knows. Kinda seems that way.

Maybe the Universe is also reborn at some point and it starts all over again.

But there is no higher purpose , no ultimate meaning. Only this you see around you. This is it.

And if you ask me , it ain't much and it ain't good enough. In fact , it sucks.

Which fine you know , there is no reason for why it shouldn't suck. But that realization doesn't help cause reality still sucks at the end of the day.
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>>133904044
Why is being edgy considered a negative? Nikola Tesla was edgy , Columbus was also pretty edgy , etc.
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>>133904448
close , its something akin to iiiiiiaaao
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>>133903332
The Book of the Law is tripe channeled from demons. Why don't you follow the Law of One or Kryon instead? Because Crowley makes you feel good?
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>>133904095
So i should take fucking LSD if i wanna meet God , got it.

Too bad LSD wasn't invented earlier , eh?
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>>133904448
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
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>>133904797
hoho, I guess you can LSD-less but must put a lot of effort into it, I was young and kinda cheated on it , but so goes my testimony
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>>133903911
You don't have to accept anything as "being your place" or destiny. The Will is just that--it moves on, constantly.If you're going to settle on something, it has to be the thing which gives you the most fulfillment. And then why fret about whether it's the right thing or not? And if you do, maybe you're not truly happy, and that's not your true will.

"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." - Crowley

The spiritual, metaphorical aspect of alchemy is the purification and rectification of the "substance" of man (i.e. God, or the All) so that man can unite his Will with that of the divine within him.

"Thou must (1) Find out what is thy Will. (2) Do that Will with a) one-pointedness, (b) detachment, (c) peace.
Then, and then only, art thou in harmony with the Movement of Things, thy will part of, and therefore equal to, the Will of God. And since the will is but the dynamic aspect of the self, and since two different selves could not possess identical wills; then, if thy will be God's will, Thou art That." - Crowley, 'Liber II : The Message of the Master Therion'

As far as destroying your attachments, something to remember is that Nietzsche is considered a "Gnostic saint" in the ECG (The Thelemic church, basically, for those who prefer public ritual), and that he rejected Buddhism on its constant need to remove suffering.

In reality, the Tantric and Zen Buddhists realize that samsara and nirvana are one, and that suffering and liberation are one. Thelema tells us to be alive "with the thrill of life and death", meaning that suffering can actually lead us to our wills if we handle it correctly and use it to our purposes.

As the Buddhist mahasiddha Tilopa said, "The problem is not enjoyment. The problem is attachment."
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