Should military service be mandatory?

>>133878673
military should be ended.
war is for bratty little children.

It should only be mandatory if you want to vote.

>>133878673
God no.

Can you just imagine putting guns into the hands of all these lefty crybaby kiddies.

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Only retards sign up to die for ZOG.

>>133878856
This, only veterans and land owners should be able to vote.

>>133878673
No. Faggots and douchebags have no place in the military.

>>133878673
It already is americunt

>>133879095

Only veterans should be able to own land as well, proportional to their merits.

Jews can't be able to buy their power

>>133878673
Yes. It would give men of the west discipline and teach them not to be girls.

>>133878673
>posts picture of universe that has voluntary service
I know burgers cant into books but at least watch the film.

>>133878769
What happens if a nation of bratty little children invades your mature defenseless society?

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>>133878977
Maybe some good old-fashioned discipline would prevent them from developing such degenerate tendencies in the first place.

>>133878673
If we could un-cuck ourselves by becomeing frogging Prussia that would be great

>>133878673

yes good goyim, everyone should be forced to work for le glorious government just like in based israel who you will all be dying for

>>133878673
> mobile infantry made me the man I am today

>>133878673
>mandatory for voting privilege

yes

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>>133878673
No.
Collectivism does not work in a multi ethnic society.

>>133878673
Only if the politicans are not leftards and national unity is strengthened

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>>133878673
>Should military service be mandatory?

Is Buenos Aires gonna get ((asteroided)) soon?

>>133879071
Not only retards, but welfare-niggers too. They want all dem (((benefits)))

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Voting should be dependent on military or civil service.

Volunteer firefighting, volunteering at hospitals, cleaning up your community's streets and help fixing roads, etc etc.

It should not be limited to just the military.

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>>133878673
No. But you should do it to earn the right to vote.

Only if people need to die.

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>>133879142
>>133878977
Perhaps having some discipline beat into them help them not be such whiny faggots?

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Yes. National service of some sort. Right after high school, if not enrolled in college. 2 years minimum. Do you want to kill people? Join the army. Do you want to build shit? Join a Public Works Administration.

>>133878673

>posts a picture of starship troopers
Military service wasn't even mandatory in that story.

>>133878673
Honestly yes. It works pretty well for South Korea and Israel.

>>133879632
>BUGS CANT MELT PLASMA
>BUENOS AIRES WAS AN INSIDE JOB TO GO TO WAR WITH KLENDATHU
>WAKE UP CITIZENS

>>133878673

Everyone pushing this idea seems to think it would instill military values among the wider populace, when it would more likely infect the military with civilian leftist cancer.

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Absolutely because we need to kick the cuck out these fucking faggots that live in the 21st century.

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>>133878673
Provided everyone starts at the same point, including kids from lawmakers and all parts of the government. It would be a good way to reduce war knowing your kids are about to be sent in arms way.

>>133879095
Close, only veterans should be allowed to own land

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>>133878673

Yes. If you don't own property, then the military should be your only route to all the benefits of citizenship. Heinlein was right.

>>133878673
It depends on a situation. If you have enough volunteers and money to pay, better create a nice professional army of devoted warriors.

If'you're a micronation, better give some training to every man and conscript a part of them.

>>133878673
Yeah but they should fix the whole training course. Its too harsh and they yell at you too much.

I didn't like it.

>>133878673
But it already is?

>>133878673
No, it's a free country. You're free to disagree with the military and thus not serve.
However it should be compulsory for anyone who wants to be a politician, like it was in Rome.
That way, only people who understand war can declare it.

>>133879977
That's crazy as it would promote war just so you can become a veteran and own land.

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>>133879658
I think tax payers should be in there too. That would cut out welfare shitheads and liberal children living off their parents.

>>133879337
What? If you want to vote in starship troopers and be a citizen then you have to serve in the military

>>133880088
On this note, why does Russia still stick to conscription?

Do they not change because the top military still sticks to soviet doctrine? Or because there would not be enough volunteers for a professional army? Stagnation?

>>133880252
>If you want
thats not what mandatory means

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Basic weapons, fitness, and survival training should be mandatory but a massive standing military causes more problems than it solves. Militia are a much better option.

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>>133879978

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>>133880134
If you're being honest, you are everything wrong with this country.

>>133880519
I know what the word mandatory means. I still think that starship troopers is a good picture to use

>>133878673
Boot camp should be mandatory, however service shouldn't be

>>133880639
He's right though. The whole Drill Sargent thing is a creepy BDSM fantasy of homoerotic orgiin.
Imagine taking a archetypical alpha male like Conan the Barbarian and putting him in the US Military.
Do you think he'd stand for the Drill Sargent's abuse? Fuck no he'd disembowel him and take over the company creating his own mercenary unit.
But ideally you want archetypical alphas in your military....so...it must change. Or continue only allowing cucks in, whichever.

>>133880134
>>133880639
>>133880915
Has anyone got an idea of how training/drill stage was in countries like Nat-soc Germany, maybe Chile and Bongland?

>>133880639
I honestly think its draconian and the system should be updated There are better ways to make people obey, like group therapy and stuff.

>>133878673
Yes however put two conditions on it. You only gain the right to vote once you join and do your time AND females cannot join the military.

There you go, you just solved a ton of issues.

>>133879095
only people who pay taxes should be able to vote.
just like the parents who pay the bills make the family decisions, not the children.

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>>133879799
Fucking bug loving traitor.

>>133880915
You know that the boot camp instructors are in the military too right? How do you explain them as being archetypal alpha male? Bootcamp teaches you the system you're getting into and gives you a respect for the chain of command. Leaders still develop amongst the ranks.

>>133881104
Interesting question.

>>133878673
Why? Even the military doesn't want conscription.

>>133881184
>parents who pay the bills make the family decisions
That was never the case.
Women make most of the household decisions and traditionally did not work and thus did not pay the bills.
>>133881356
They're not.
I could never imagine Conan wasting his time bullying 18 year old rookies. He has monsters to fuck and poon to slay.
Don't get me wrong, leadership is good, but leadership in the military is generally unearned leading to a gradeschool system of "I am the trainer I'm going to call you a faggot now listen to me" that I just can't respect.

Military life is already hard enough picking up slack for all the fucks who at one time WANTED to be there then got cold feet at what hard work is.

I'd murder people if I had to do my job AND babysit a bunch of nu-males riding out their single year of service as a fucking NUB then leaving when they finally become proficient enough to do things that matter.

All while soaking up the training budget while I already have to suck dick to get funding to send my guys to schools we are REQUIRED to man.

>>133878673
Absolutely not, there's no point in having an entire nation of cuckold retards. You are basically asking for your nation to go to shit.

>>133878673
Not military but civil service in general should be required to vote.

>>133881104
SS officers had to care for a baby cat during the course of their training. At the end they were told to pluck its eyes out to prove they can follow orders without attachments etc etc the usual edgy stuff. Or so they say. Could be jewish fanfiction.

>>133881104
Bongland was never fascist though.

I found this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5xacClG3m0

>>133878673
The military indoctrinates people to obey the government. Ever notice the way society works in Starship Troopers? The people are all brainwashed. The only places where mandatory service makes any sense are countries that are under perpetual threat or attack.

>>133881559
All I know is that grizzled old servicemen who all went through bootcamp are alpha as fuck 20 years later

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>>133878673
If you want to vote.

>>133878977
kek
theyd collectively take the weapons and shoot their higher ups
I imagine them all running for the hills of nowhere and laugh

>>133878673

>Should military service be mandatory?


I guess to me it depends on which country i lived in. I would really hate being forced to serve in my countries military when they're just handing the nation over to migrants anyway, nationalism is considered evil, and all the white men that died for my nation have been forgotten. Fuck no it shouldn't be mandatory.

>>133881776
Yeah, I know how the soviet era drill/ boot camp was quite well, but Prussian infused Chile seems very intriguing, as well as N Germany and Britain for contrast

>>133881852
I know lots of vets because I'm from a conservative area, some of them genuinely improved by the training. Some of them are cucked beyond recognition now though.
I mean alpha males don't drink themselves to death or wake up at night screaming or shoot themselves.
The best leaders are leaders by nature, you can't teach that. When you try, you get drill sargents.

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>>133878673
conscription is slavery. War is a means to a political goal. People don't agree with the particular goals of a particular war shouldn't be expected to fight. If that means having nobody willing to fight for the survival of the nation and/or the state then so be it. A nation/state without any patriots willing to risk their lives in its defense probably isn't worth saving anyway.

>>133881559
um... no, sweetie.
the husband AND the wife both made decisions for the family. I dunno what sorta (((feminist))) household you grew up in, in normalville, the father handles the disciplining and financial decisions, and the mother does the minor infractions and has to coordinate with the father on a lot.

>>133878673
We have nukes, any real war in the future is going to be over very quickly

>>133880512
You probably know that our army is a 100% criminal organization, right? When Stalin (IIRC) made it legal for criminals after prison to be conscripted, it lost the last chance to become a proper oganization.

In 90s nobody respected army or soldiers, it was considered prison, slavery and shiet for those unlucky or poor enough to not stay free. Now the situation is improved but only by a hair actually.

>top military still sticks to soviet doctrine? Or because there would not be enough volunteers for a professional army
Both.

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>>133878673
Absolutely.

Although, an involuntary force is an ineffective force. There should be two tiers: voluntary and conscription.

Everyone gets 1 year after high-school conscripted. After the one year, the option to voluntarily stay is offered, with time served.

>>12 years active experience

>>133882185
I'm from a literal farm town.
Men control the garage, the tools within that garage, home repair, and the bbq. Plus the TV, if they're lucky.
Women control all the money and all the man's free time.
If you knew any adult men, you'd know about honey dos.

>>133882245
Do you have that "dodge conscription via studying and other obligations" law enacted? If I remember correctly, we passed it after independence and before we switched to professional army, i.e. if you were studying and such you wouldn't get called in to service

Yes. Civil service/military service combo.
I know socialism is bad but people lose sense of community and humanity in modern world.

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>>133878673

Maybe militia or some civic duty for all, but active military should be selected for physical ability and mental toughness.

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>>133882398
Men gather and save resources, and women utilize those resources for the family benefit.

This is the way it has always been.

>>133878673
wait
men AND women???

Because if it's mandatory, there's no way in this society that women aren't gonna be logically forced into the same duty

>>133882398
This and nothing but this.
>A happy wife = a happy life.

>>133882118
>A nation/state without any patriots willing to risk their lives in its defense probably isn't worth saving anyway.
haha oh a kraut bringing the bantz?
or muhammad?

>>133882542
>"dodge conscription via studying and other obligations" law
Yes.

>>133878673
YES. More troops = more (((wars in the middle east)))
Good goyim. 6000000/10

>>133879978
Wrong, fuck property, you want benefits of citizenship service period.

>>133880187
*cough* Roman Empire

>>133878673
sure, but ill go live in the northern mountains

If it was, we'd have a lot less left-wingers.

Yes and if you say no you're a lazy fat cunt

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>>133878673
The Singaporeans did it completely wrong and their business culture suffered as a result.

>>133878673
Not in the USA.

I can understand the merits of national conscription:
1) fit, healthy populace
2) teach some life skills, survival, navigation
3) develop group cohesion
4) learn to defend yourself
5) entire population knows first aid

But to force people into servitude goes against the spirit of this country, and if not at war, I feel rubs up against the 3rd and 4th amendment.

However states on their own could require service in their respective national guards.

I think you could get more interest in national service if there were a civilian engineering corps. or other non-military opportunities. It sounds lame and pussy, but a lot of people don't want to join the military industrial machine.

>>133883927
You are not being forced just making a choice to serve so you can vote. Too many in the US can vote but hate the country. That makes no sense.

>>133882672
Still is being done that way in Nippon senpai.

Wives give their husbands an allowance and save the rest of the money. A lot of jokes about not getting a big enough allowance from the waifu when people go out drinking at the end of the week.

>>133884106
You're probably right, but it'll never happen.
Still though, military veterans tend to actually pay attention to politics after they get out. Bare minimum they can usually tell you the three branches of government and name a handful of politicians they admire/hate as well as give logical reason for their opinions.
Joe Average just looks for the R or the D.

>>133878673
Yes in an ideal state. Not right now when we would all be sent to fight for the kikes.

>>133878673
No, and the movie (book) your pic examples actually advocates for an all volunteer military. In fact, the book goes so far as to insist that anyone who wants to leave can leave at any time, unless they're deployed to a combat zone (during which, going awol is punishable by death).

I do believe that voting should require some kind of prerequisite however, maybe a minimum term of military service would be a good option here, but giving the option to quit at any time (again, outside of combat deployment) should be included under the exception that anyone who doesn't complete one full term cannot vote.

>>133884106
>Too many in the US can vote but hate the country

Deep state propaganda (DSP)to further the left/right illusion. The most successful use of the DSP has been to remove focus on community and local governance which should be at the forefront civic engagement.

People also make the biggest gains in local issues: take some hippies protesting a construction project that would pave over some local wetlands. They get painted as retarded leftist nuts by Fox News while MSNBC focuses on the wacko-Bible thumping- gun nuts from Ducks Unlimited who are also waiving signs.

Both groups want the same thing, preserve the land for future generations, but end up getting pit against each other by the moneyed corporatists.

>>133878673
Yes.
Been there, done that, had fun.

>>133884466
Civil service is a good option also. Whether its working in a hospital or nursing home, law enforcement, DOT, or the education system.

>>133878673
You mean like in Kikeland, where children are made to larp as soldiers because....i don't even know why.

>>133884821
Hate may be a strong wording in error I used. I also believe that anyone on welfare without employment should have to work with the elderly under supervision to earn their keep. That is if they are able bodied.

>>133880915
>Imagine taking a archetypical alpha male like Conan the Barbarian and putting him in the US Military.
Do you think he'd stand for the Drill Sargent's abuse? Fuck no he'd disembowel him and take over the company creating his own mercenary unit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3nS0XsTAbY

Around 3:00. If a faggot cannot take little shouting then how on earth would he survive on loud battlefield?

>>133884858
>because....
Forces limp-wristed bitches to get a bit /fit/?
Teaches you a bit about basic tactics and firearms?
Maybe even lets you acquire new skills based on which service you get?

>>133884821
>The most successful use of the DSP has been to remove focus on community and local governance which should be at the forefront civic engagement.
This is what I hate most. I'm currently doing research to make an easy to understand guide to getting elected to local offices, what they do, and so on but it's a struggle. People who are in debt and don't own their own houses typically can't afford to fill these local offices AND make debt payments, so the pool of suitable candidates is limited.

JBP was right. People really have to sort themselves out first, from the room all the way up to finances and family, before they can start trying to sort out society.

>>133878673
No, but militia training should be. Our TA used to be a government backed guerrilla force.

>>133878673
>should military service be mandatory?
>posts starship troopers
>the military in the book goes to great lengths to discourage applicants

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>>133882932
I'm serious. The prupose of the state is to benefit its inhabitants. The puropose of the nation is to inspire a loyalty and belonging in the people. If a nation/state isn't fulfilling its purpose its illegitimite. See A-H Empire or Jugoslavia.
>haha oh a kraut bringing the bantz?
I find Robert A. Heinlein's take on state philosophy and the concept of citizenship very inspiring. Wish he could have made more of an impact with his theories.
>or muhammad?
I'm curious. What was your line of thought there?

>>133878769

First post
Worst post

>>133880252
That's not true in the book. Military service was one of many types of service that granted citizenship.

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>>133879658
I unironically agree with this. I'd even go as far as minimum net worth or something to that effect, and especially not if you're a welfare nigger

No. Abolish all standing armies.

>>133878673

How were you planning on paying for the additional millions of soldiers you are suddenly going to have?

What were you planning on doing with them?

We really need to consider purging you progressive chimps from society.

>>133878673
But it is

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No.

>>133886123
Good luck aquiring unanimous support for your idea from all the 196 officially regonized governments of the world.

>>133885528
Exactly, everything is about international and federal politics.

The big 6 media firms that own pretty much all news outlets and affiliates squash coverage of local issues and investigations, rolling out "cat stuck in tree" or "man bites dog" stories.

>>133886446
this

>>133885829
"War is awesome, it's the best!" Heinlein
Written by a desk jockey who never saw his buddies' guts and brains splattered all over a beach.
He reminds me of James Gandolfini's character in "The Man Who Wasn't There"

>>133885893
theres no such thing as a german patriot.
theyre all dead and gone.
so youre saying germany doesnt deserve to be a country.

>>133879095
People who join the military are low IQ retards
Land Owners should be the only ones allowed to vote
Military people spend their time and are most comfertable taking orders, not making up their stupid fucking minds and forming a thought

>>133878673
Actually even in the original story the military is completely voluntary, and the reasoning behind that is well explained.

>>133886446
this.

sweden recently returned to mandatory, what does that say?

>>133878673
No. There are already enough pussies in the military who didn't really want to be there but were pushed by family.

>>133878673
Absolutely.

>>133878673

Meh, I've had cancer for over a decade now, they wouldn't have taken me in conscription anyway. Which is lame, because I can still do anything I could before.

>>133878673
Only if there would be a serious manpower issue in time of crisis.

Countries that don't need mandatory service for sure:
>United States
>Russia
>China
>India

Countries that do:
>Lichtenstein
>Luxembourg
>Qatar
>Kuwait
Places with less than 10 million people or tiny nations.

I'm sure the rest can do a mix like very limited conscription

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>All these /pol/cucks saying it should be mandatory

You faggots wouldn't last a fucking day in the military

>>133888030
No they didn't. Just 4% of the age cohort is enlisted, they are all volunteers.

>>133878673

100% sure this shit has been said in whole or in part by several posters, but:

The military should become integrated with the state apparatus (note: not have the Armed Forces run the state, but the two should be inseparable). Emergency/disaster relief, advanced police operations, state security and intelligence services, etc. all fall under the single structure of the Armed Forces.
Rights to become a state citizen should be limited to service in said forces.
State Citizens (who gain their citizenship after a full term of service lasting more than a couple of years) gain access to government-subsidized education (for useful courses), full government subsidized healthcare and given access to education on economics and other necessary materials to pass a citizenship test, which then allows you to participate in the public sphere as politicians and vote.

>>133879095
This pretty much, also this is how society works in Starship Troopers, you get privileges only If you contribute to society and state

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>>133888443

More like the military couldn't stand me for more than a day.

>>133887316
>theres no such thing as a german patriot.
Only according to /pol/. People here still love their country, but I think they take it for granted. Our collective historical memory is also way to focused on the experiences of the World Wars. They therefore think that making the national interest your country's policy is something that is fundamentally detrimental to both us and others. They completely ignore the lessons of the 19th century which has shown that if peoples don't look out for themselves nobody will. Despite everything I am confident that once they realize what's at stake, they'll act in their own best interest and will come to appreciate what a blessing it is to have your own country.

>>133880237

Land owners maybe.

>>133888443
Basic is a drag. Everything else is fun.

>>133882672
operative word: SAVE
How do you save if women are spending it all?
Answer: Because men ultimately make the financial decisions in the family.
Women are allowed money up to a certain point, the rest is saved.
I.e. father and mother both make the decisions in the family, not the kids.
i.e. my original point is the correct one, and this other faggot has no clue what he's talking about. (the literal farm town guy, CoEXPatZ)

>>133886833
The media conglomerates are definitely a problem and frankly should be broken up. There's no reason so few companies should control so much of the media. Thank god for the internet and social media allowing some freedom of expression.

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>>133878673
Yes

>>133878673
yes based on skill sets determined in highschool you can chose regular or reserves. I joined the army reserves in highschool because decision i every made i can chose if i want to be deployed decent money during training and its also a social club me and my army buddies anyways have event and go drinking together. I like something like that would instill good morals strength and a sense of belonging

>>133889136
Basic is fun
Who doesn't like running until you shit yourself?

>>133878673
Yes it should be mandatory if you want to vote. For those not physically capable they have plenty of desk jobs, and admin work. The only ones who say no are fat beta faggots that would get the firing squad for trying to dodge drafts, and are afraid of combat.

>>133891320
>because decision i every made i can chose if i want to be deployed

You chose the Army Reserves in HS because you are retarded and a cuck

Leaves pls go

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Yes.

T.American who was too fat to serve and regrets it every day of his life

>>133878673
registering for selective service already is.

>>133891658
Running is easy. Marching fucks with your brain. When I was done with my service, took me 2 months to lose the habit of catching the rhythm/falling in sync to anyone walking next to me :)

>>133891871
Try being in marching band. I can't walk out of step of any music I hear and it's been over 15 years.

>>133888669
despite me being a dick for (you)s, i truly hope youre right.
but i am doubtful.

>>133891756
>implying regular Army isn't full of retards and cucks too

>>133878769
Are you sure you're a burger?

>>133879733
If you want to kill people join the Marines. Army is for pussies

>>133887544
i love when NEETS hate on veterans but wouldnt ever say anything outside the 4chins
http://www.marines.mil/News/News-Display/Article/1239836/3d-mlg-marines-save-life-on-mt-fuji/
get a life

>>133891756
what do you mean i was going to go reg force but i could join the reserves do my basic and graduate high school i also got really attached to my unit since most of my buddies went to the same unit but yet again your probably just a cuck with no job or friends what a miserable existence

>>133888442
But a trained civilian population which is willing to fight for it's country is a major advantage in case of a conflict

How many American GIs where killed or tortured in Vietnam because they where unfortunate enough to be chosen ?

>>133878673
Only if it's for space colonization. :^)

>>133885383
>citing the movie
>not the books
I bet he killed that gook right after the scene.

>>133878673
this movie was too white

>>133895512
>Argentina
>white

>>133878673
no, but it should be a "debt" that everyone owes to each other. hence the selective service, a means of calling people to war to defend the US in the event a total war. the SS is a last resort act. the US is a republic.

a voluntary military is more willing, but some time you need more poeple.

truly believe civil service should be mandatory. basically 4 years of being a civil servant or X amount of self chosen charity work.

but this is to unit the community not for any hero worship.

>>133879786
service guarantees citizenship in SST.

citizens can vote, residents cannot.

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Yes. A few months is all that's needed.

>>133878673
Yes. Israel requires more sacrifices.

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>>133878673
No, too much shitskins

Would you trust your life on your unit of eight that composes of: You, 2 niggers, a taconigger, a muslim,a transgender, woman and a white liberal because of some draft shit?


Fuck no! Personally, as soon the helicopter hatch open, I run out dropping grenades behind and go MIA

>>133880187
Ya, all this non-war has done so much good for society. Sure am glad corporations can own land but basically nobody under the age of 30 can

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>>133879095
Only Whites who work, inherit and maintain the business and veterans, current serving forces, cops and firemen and people making over 100 000$ a year who own a house

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>>133892563
Where you at i'll say it to your face navy pussy

>>133896841
Pffffff! Try 7 pronouns

>>133878673
>mandatory to fight wars for Israel
No.

Yes people are the property of the State and should serve it from cradle to grave

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>>133897014
/thread

>>133897402
Please, lead the way to serve as an example

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Making everyone serve the military seems a bit overkill to me. Unless we're being invaded by aliens like the Tyranids from 40K, we really wouldn't need that many soldiers.

>>133897588

And leave the basement?

>>133897654
To serve in the military if he believes so

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>should dying for Jews be mandatory?

>>133878977
There would be no lefties.

>>133898223
"Every role is a combat role!"
t. eternal pacifist

>>133878673
Yes if your country has a threat, no if it doesn't.

However, it would obviously be nice if our veterans get better benefits than a welfare fuck boy.

>>133878673
Oh yes, please.
I'd love to kill someone overseas because my country said it was okay and not really murder.