/pol/, can you explain to me why white pride is logical in any

>>133836859
It's logical if you're white. One should love one's family above all other families. As the race is just an extension of the family, moving from first and second cousins to tenth cousins, or twentieth, then so to should you love your race above all other races. In no way do we claim it is subjective.

But you need to be white to understand this, OP.

>>133836859
White pride is easily explained by living two weeks in a white neighborhood amd two weeks in a black one. You'll be pretty happy to return amongst white people.

It hasn't necessarily to do with historical events. Just that the races have different temperaments and capacities, and you should be allowed to be proud of yours. Whether or not individual whites fulfill those capacities is not the issue.

>>133836859
>not have white pride and taking responsibility for slavery
cuck

>>133836859
Good morning rabbi

>>133836859
White Pride for me has nothing to do with being proud of what white people have invented and everything to do with promoting the survival of my closest genetic relatives.

>>133837510
Okay, so you can be proud of the GOOD ways that other white people act.

Then why not feel ashamed of the BAD ways other white people act?

Or are y'all going to unironically tell me whites "dindu nuffin"?

>>133836859
>Why not be proud of your individual contributions to society instead of latching on to other people's accomplishments simply because they are also white? You mock those who latch on to other people's misdeeds for being white, how is that any different?

By being part of white society and culture you are contributing to it. You are a part of it.

You don't contribute to slavery becouse of being white. In fact every nation in world know history had slaves and enslaved their enemies or victims but white people were first to end with slavery. So blaming white people for slavery is simply retarded.

>>133837721
Why are you only focused on one race?

Wouldn't you also say black pride is a ridiculous and illogical mindset?

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>>133836859
>Look at this one degenerate whitey fuk white people!
>forget the niggers who slaughter everyone!
>forget the spics having 20+ babies and selling drugs!
>forget the chinks who set dogs on fire and laugh about it!
>forget the pajeets shitting in the streets and water so much it effects Australia's north coast!
>forget the sand niggers cutting little girls clits off!

>>133837977
I actually agree. Be proud/ashamed of your individual actions, nothing else.

But you're not answering my question.

>>133836859
>but I will TOTALLY take responsibility for them
strawman - saged

>>133838008
Nice strawman there; you know damn well I have said literally nothing in defense of other ethnicities shitty actions.

But I could just as easily mock you guys by saying "HURR DURR FORGET THE NATIVE GENOCIDE FORGET BLACK SLAVERY FORGET NUKING CIVILIANS FORGET KKK LYNCHINGS FORGET EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE ABOUT MY RACE"

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>>133838059
>why aren't you always ashamed of your past?

Probably because we don't have low self esteem. Go ask self-hating liberals.

>>133837510
This

>>133837721
I actually do feel ashamed when white people do bad things such as cuck for other races

>>133837721
>why not feel ashamed
What is white guilt?

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>>133838177
Natives killed us too.

Blacks enslaved each other and most slaves went to south America.

Nukes were necessary and saved more lives than it killed.

KKK lynchings are overblown.

>>133838059
>le individual

What the fuck is a Nation, you dumb selfish cunt? It takes both the individual and collective to make shit work. I bet you're either non-White or a fucking cucked faggot White.

>>133838231
Again, I'm not saying anyone should be ashamed of their past.

I'm asking how can you reconcile NOT feeling negatively about the past actions of other members of your race, while you DO feel positively about the past actions of members of your race. It's like you just pick and choose the good shit to be proud of while laughing off the bad shit.

>>133836859
Fuck off kike

>>133838059
>Be proud/ashamed of your individual actions, nothing else.
This is poisonous humanist individualism, but I can't exactly blame you for imbibing it, because it's what's on TV. It would only be a valid outlook if you didn't have the power to influence the actions of others in your social circle, but you do, so individualism is garbage-bin-of-history-tier.

Black power
Brown & proud
Native pride
>white pride

Only one of these is seen as racist. Why?

>>133838515
>It's like you just pick and choose the good shit to be proud of while laughing off the bad shit.
That's what people do, idiot.
I don't see you obsessing over your huge kike nose or how you exploit goyim, why should whites do anything other than laugh off the bad shit?

fuck off

>>133836859
you posted a picture of a cuck and expected us to be triggered, 9 times out of 10 he voted for hillary what do you want us to do? Stop shilling and baiting and maybe you can join the white race

>>133837510
>>133837230
thanks guys

>>133836859
By that logic, if we can't take guilt from our ancestors, we can't take pride, Black people need to stop screaming WE WUZ KANGZ and realize the shit their ancestors did.

>>133836859
Please op, tell me, which race was the first to abolish slavery?

>>133838666
Trips of the white devil!

What about black pride, or Asian pride? Should those not to exist?

The answer to your question is that it is normal and actually a postive for people to self-identity with and take pride in their ethnic background.

Rather than to spend your whole life as an apologist for your forefathers, which could be literally everyone, you could instead embrace the positives.

And there's a lot more pride than guilt, within the Caucasian background.

By the way: body modifications are more prevalent amongst the African race. Fuck your cherry-picked picture and argument.

>>133838767
Okay. Again, I'm not disagreeing. We wuz kangz is equally ridiculous. So why are y'all wanting to act like the white version of kangz?

>>133836859
> Why not be proud of your individual contributions to society
> contributions to society
Contributions to American society?
Contributions to their social engineering machine?

This is where socialism fails. You are simply an actor to the top down social engineering.

>>133837230
>being THIS spooked

>>133836859
Basically by being proud of being white, you assume that you care the same superior genes as the ones you are proud of. Or that you have the same culture etc.

Don't mix white pride with white nationalism though, they are not the same even if there can be a link.

>By the way: body modifications are more prevalent amongst the African race. Fuck your cherry-picked picture and argument.

Exhibit A right here ladies and gentlemen. I post a picture of an undesirable white guy and it's "cherry picking." If I posted a picture of an attractive, healthy white man in a suit would you tell me that THAT is also "cherry picking"? I would argue that it's the same thing, if I had posted that with the intention of proving whites are superior. But fuck no you wouldn't bat an eye at it, lmao.

>>133838921
Because we have real evidence of the history we claim is ours.

>>133839252
Neither would blacks or Asians or Latinos or Indians or native Americans.

>>133836859
>White guilt is BULLSHIT! I never owned any slaves; I'm not responsible for the actions of OTHER PEOPLE who lived before I was born.
Nice strawman. I found out I had ancestors who owned slaves and it's fucking awesome. I hope they raped and abused the shit out of those niggers. I'm more proud of that than I am of anything else my ancestors accomplished. I just wish I could've carried on their legacy of enslaving and beating subservient niggers.

>>133836859
Because people have a need to see themselves as part of a greater context as a reference point to their localized existence. I don't support nor oppose white pride, but I do think a white identity, at least for Americans, is a necessity. In the state of the world today, seeing yourself as part of a broader western civilization, mostly comprised of white Europeans, is a useful conception. If you believe is the superiority of western civilization, then reclaiming and cultivating a European identity is a necessity. Without it, this civilization and its culture will perish in <100 years.

>>133839421
Okay like 20 of you have said the same damn thing. I get it. I'm not discounting that fact. But why is it justifiable to you?

>>133839252
It's cherry picking when you post a picture of a white guy disfigured with body modifications and an ironic caption implying thats the type of people trying to be preserved by white nationalists.

I wouldn't have said shit if it was a skinhead or a dirty slav. But theres literally an entire race of blacks that encourage body modifications in Africa.

Humanism is fine, the achievement of man as a whole. But ethnic pride helps create identity and a sense of belonging. It brings together what makes us the same, and recognizes our differences. If you're just saying that pride is bad, you're a faggot who's never accomplished anything and/or gotten recognition for it.

You also took the weakest and very last point of my argument, and ignored everything else actually relevant to your arguement.

>>133839641
Edgy as fuck man

>>133837721
>Then why not feel ashamed of the BAD ways other white people act?

Are you new here? Pretty much any /pol/fag will tell you that traitors are worse than enemies.

>>133840393
"Traitors" are one thing, I'm talking about shit like slavery. Yes it's dumb to feel guilty about it but I'm saying it's equally dumb to be proud of things you ALSO had no hand in.

>>133836859
it makes sense because white identity was tied to American identity. the civic nationalism of America is changing however so white identity will comeback because America no longer reflects them.

>>133838515
Simply because the bad shit we've done is no worse than anything the other races have done. We are also the only race to try to give back to those we've wronged.
I used to feel guilt for all that bullshit but niggers went and made me racist by being irredeemable trash. Now I don't see anything wrong with treating shitskins like shit because they have proven themselves to be shitty people. I didn't get racist until I realized that everyone but whites are allowed to be racist.
Knowing what I know now, I have to celebrate and lift up the achievements of my people, especially with niggers now lying and claiming my peoples achievements as their own.

>>133836859
the concept of racial pride didn't really exist until people started trying to shame people for their race.

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>>133840757
Why not just treat shitty people like shit, instead of blindly applying that to everyone with a shade of skin darker than your own?

Is pic related a "shitskin nigger" to you?

These achievements are in no small measure the result of white CULTURE. Adopting a culture that produces such benefits, and promoting it to others (including to those of not racially white) is a beneficial behaviour.

>>133841097
And who, may I ask, started all that?

>>133841231
does it matter?

>>133840495
Why would white people feel guilty about slavery?

Blacks practiced slaver culture centuries before the white man ever came.

And do you know who ended slavery?

White people.

>>133840495
>muh slavery

You're already starting with a retarded loaded statement that shows you're more interested in hating white people than actual logic. "Slavery" is a hugely broad topic, and was practiced by most civilizations. What you're talking about is the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

So you're using a shitty example and absolving us from guilt, but with the caveat that we also do not feel pride. But no, that's not how it works. Even the supposition that shame and pride are two sides of the same coin is false.

>>133841316
Again. Missing the point. White people should NOT feel guilty for slavery. You aren't responsible for the actions of those who lived before. My question is why feel PRIDE due to the actions of those who lived before you.

Guilt for other white people doing shit you didn't do - "KEK LIBTARD FAGGOT"

Pride for other white people doing shit you didn't do - "14 WORDS MAGA HEIL HITLER WHITES ARE SUPERIOR"

c'mon man, use your "genetically superior" intellect and explain how this is supposedly NOT contradictory.

>>133836859

Sssshhh the stormfags don't realize they are also collectivist scum

>>133841535
As I said in my previous post to you, it's not about pride in the actions. It's about believing that it's the genetics of white people that led to the actions, genetics that the person would share most of.

>>133841535
what's the problem with the 14 words?

>>133841535
Shame and pride both have important social functions. Blanket banning both and insisting we all become robots is retarded. The question that should be asked if the feeling, and the behaviour it causes, is beneficial to society or not.

And given that white guilt has led to a self-destructive style of politics and racist policy being enshrined into our highest offices, I'd say no, it's not beneficial. But a shame for the shitty behaviour of our politics before and during WWII leads to an attitude that favours strong defensive power. I'd say that's highly beneficial.

>>133841759
Okay.

But isn't it still kind of silly to take pride in something you can't control? You didn't earn your genes. You didn't work for your DNA or your whiteness.

Even if we accept whites have better genetics, isn't it like saying you're proud to be tall, or have a certain eye color or something?

>>133837510
Has nothing to do with skin color but instead with socio-economical advantages. When a white neighborhood has a socio-economical disadvantage, they turn into trailer park trash...

>>133841125
Because almost every shitty person I've dealt with is a shitskin and I've fucking lived with them.
They're lazy, they lie like they were born to do it, and they seem to be drawn towards crime even when they're getting their shit together.
I'm not racist from lack of exposure to niggers. Some of them have been great friends but from my observations they are all inferior and when it comes to being honest civilized people they just don't get it. I can sit down and explain to them how to get ahead in life and they'll act like they get it buy the next day it's back to typical nigger bullshit, trying to think up ways to make tons of money selling drugs instead of getting their shit straight. Then there's the constant "fuck whitey" bullshit and they want to tell me it's ok because they don't mean me, I'm cool. Fuck that bullshit and fuck niggers. Niggers hate contributing to society and they hate anyone who contributes to it.
Sharing a country with them is too much to ask.

>>133836859
There is a difference between taking personal blame for other people's actions, as sjws would have, and recognising that one race is clearly superior to another due to stark differences in intelligence and competence.

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whites have done nothin in the last 60 years to be proud of

>>133842093
Okay, so what would your reaction be if a black dude said that anecdotally every white guy he met was a shitty person. You'd probably be butthurt, right? I mean you already are when you say that "fuck whitey" pisses you off. But if anecdotally most black people you meet happen to be shitty people, it's apparently justifiable to say "fuck niggers"?

>>133838666
Because your ancestors couldn't behave properly, and know you're paying the price for it. The world isn't fair kiddo, deal with it...

>>133836859
>"I'm not responsible for the actions of OTHER PEOPLE who lived before I was born."

Convince the government of that.

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I'm convinced more and more every day, that this plane of existence is proliferated with demons.

>>133842559
It simply justifies my racism.
If they can be racist to me based on bullshit I can be racist based on facts about them.

>>133842755
See: Beasts of the field

>>133841901
Oh, I don't find any meaning in being proud. To me, I would like white people to be proud of being white simply because that would support the idea of wanting to preserve it.

It's silly being proud at all. If you have 150 IQ yourself and is a great scientist and inventor, is that something to be proud of? You didn't earn your genes. You didn't work for your DNA or your whiteness. You are basically saying that pride itself is silly, and that I agree on.

"White pride" isn't silly though, as it is a tool to preserve white people and nations.

>Even if we accept whites have better genetics
They have better genetics. Are you non-white?

>>133842611
This, but unironically.

It's simple: Negros are subhuman, useful only as labor and occasionally cannon fodder. I don't feel bad that my ancestors owned slaves, not because I personally don't own slaves, but because keeping the Negro in chains is not wrong, and not something to feel bad about.


It's fairly simple desu

>>133838515
Negative reinforcement doesn't improve performance, positive reinforcement does. If you show an athlete every mistake he made in a game, he'll stay the same or play worse. If you show an athlete something another player did well, they'll attempt to emulate the success to receive the same praise.

>>133843225
>It's simple: WHITES are subhuman, useful only as labor and occasionally cannon fodder. I don't feel bad that my ancestors owned slaves, not because I personally don't own slaves, but because keeping the WHITE MAN in chains is not wrong, and not something to feel bad about.

How do you feel about this?

>>133842559
He'd be full of shit. White people bend over backwards for niggers all the time.

>>133843671
It's objectively untrue because whites are good for more than repetitive labor. Whites create, we make advanced materials tough enough to withstand the ravages of space and the bottom of the ocean. We excel in the art and science of war, we took man aloft to the skies and beyond. We build cathedrals, skyscrapers, and vast arenas. We make medicines that can treat and cure nearly any disease or trauma.

What has the Negro done? Languish in the richest continent, wasting away wearing skins in a mud hut? Please. They'd have nothing if it wasn't for us.

>>133836859
It's not. It's just insecurity on the part of increasingly irrelevant people.

Think about it - we're communicating in the future. Am I a nigger? A spic? A fucking white male? No one can tell. All that matters is the content of what I'm saying. Therefore "reliable" visual cues people have operated on since the dawn of humankind are no longer useful, and that scares a lot of people.

Not that it matters; much like in plants, cross-bred humans demonstrate hybrid vigor the further apart the mixed genetic code is.

You should always give people the benefit of the doubt and treat them as individuals regardless of race, class, creed, religion, sexuality etc.

But that doesn't mean you should blind yourself to how communities tend to act and it doesn't mean you should ignore the fact that whites are becoming increasingly smaller majorities within their own countries. "White pride" is simply a catch-all term to describe people who would prefer to live around white people like themselves who promote their culture

>>133836859
Well, considering slave owners are american and even then they were very few I don't see how it should be considered something that has to do with whites as a race.
Furthermore all cultures have had slaves so what the hell was your argument again?

>>133836859
Why are the whites of his eyes blue? Has he been indulging in melange?
>tfw you find the Muad'dib browsing 4chan

>>133836859
>acting like "white people" are an ethnic group/community/nation
American autism.

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>>133848062
Eyeball tattoo.

>there's an ugly/crazy person in your group
>so you shouldn't care about your group

How about not starting your thread with a fucking stupid pic. Not even going to read your rubbish.

It's not about taking credit for other people's accomplishments.
It's about being thankful and proud of the history and culture your forefathers built for you. Any race has the ability to do this, whites included

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>>133836859
It's Our legacy

>>133848278
It's different outside of Europe, because when you go to one of the white diaspora nations peoples original ethnicity sort of is superseded by being American/Canadian/whatever but when there's still racial differences you end up identifying by skin color.
Go to one of the western European countries, the white identity is already being forced to happen there too.
You'd do well to develop a white identity before your country invites in a bunch of niggers due to lack of it.

West-Indian blacks and African blacks don't like each other. Even tribes of african blacks don't like each other. Many peoples around the world depiste being the same race dislike each other and think they are the best while the others are primitive asshats. It's the same for whites desu. Never in history has there been a nation united on the sole base that they're white.

I agree that one should strive to be a good individual and be proud of their achievements only. There's nothing more beyond that. Your race doesn't matter. If you like your country, like it for the values, the tradtitions, not for something as frivolous as being white.