Higher taxes on the rich

t. (((Marx)))

>>133800760
People are paid according to their ability to tank shit or sell their influence. Fact is these lazy rich could do some real damage with what is their property. Also sage this shill slide thread

STFU neckbeard and go get a job

>>133800760
Rich people use more of the state. They benefit more from police and military security, for example, because they have more to lose. They use roads more, and profit off the infrastructure and social structures maintained by the state. Of course rich ppl should pay more.

>>133800760
I would shit on anybody's face to get that house, and you should too

>>133800760
I wouldn't say they work physically hard however, they put up the capital needed to maintain their affairs, make cut throat decisions that takes a toll on them physically, mentally, and sometimes spiritually. They are the ones risking their backsides to see their ventures through. Here's a quick run down in terms you might understand
>You, you're brother, sister, and friend are offered a position to take care of the yard by your parents
>Each week each of you get $10 for whatever you want
>However each of you must pay $5 for gasoline, $1 for renting the equipment, will have 25% taken off the $20 for any damages if they occur.
>You're left with $4 each with a possibility of having to pay $2.50 if there's an accident.
>You're smart and realize that there will come a day where you only earn $1.50 and so you save you're earnings
>Your sister spends her $4 as soon as she gets it
>Your friend is saving for a new toy
>Weeks go by and you're savings is growing, your sister has nothing, your friend bought his toy and now doesn't care spending his money like your sister.
>You all have broken a few plants, and ruined a patch of the yard.
>Sister and friend say it's not worth it and are ready to quit.
>You in your wisdom tell them if they keep helping you their pay goes to you however you garunteed $3 even if there's damages and you'll cover it.
>They agree, you now earn $6 on a good day but on a bad day you owe $1.50
>Now you have to ensure there is a lower likelyhood of damage in order to keep from having to pay out of pocket.
>Keep your sister and friend happy or else they quit and you need to find more friends
>Still want to save your money so the job needs to be done right.

Most of the rich have worked for their earnings, stop complaining and if you're jealous sort yourself out, it's not becoming of you.

>>133801448

Why don't rich people get jobs? How about we make them toil in the fields, or actually construct the lavish homes they live in? Why don't we make them actually collect lumber, or butcher the food they so greedily enjoy?

>>133802346
25% off the $10, had to correct myself, didn't want you wracking your brain with higher digits OP

>>133800760
I think it would be a good idea to raise the taxes on the current corrupt crop of (((international capitalists))).
It will hamper the money they can buy politicians with.
These guys in charge are the ones who opened the border.

>>133802467
Because they can pay other motherfuckers to do all that shit?

Imagine if Moot had spent his time chopping trees to build a house, he would have had no time to create this virtual hovel for weebs where we can all insult you on.

>>133802715
This.

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>>133800760
this is the rich working hard

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>>133802805

Pay them with what money? With the money they collect from other people's labor.

Face it. The rich don't do jack shit. They benefit off the labor of others. They produce virtually nothing and live ridiculously extravagant lifestyles.

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Billionaires who inherit their wealth need tax cuts but hard working Americans don't deserve $15/hour. This is the ideology of (((pol))). This is how you know these fucktards are nothing more than GOP establishment shill billionaire globalist supercucks. Case closed. gg

>>133802467
Firstly you need to determine who the "rich" are, it's such an obscure term. There's nothing difinitive about it. Secondly let's say you collect everyone who earns over 100k and they now have to do exactly as you said. Who is now going to manage your ragtag group labourers? You figure that problem out and things are going smoothly and everyone's working. But now people are starting to save and have well over 100k saved. They are now considered to be part of your "rich" group. What do you do with them now? They're already following all of your rules...

>>133800760
>every rich person shuts down their business
>wage cucks starve
>every wage cuck quits
>rich people just don't get any richer

>>133800760

I support higher taxes on the rich - particularly the ultra rich.

Capitalism is not the friend of the traditionalist. In fact, Capitalism works more to further liberal aims than conservative aims.

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>>133800760
im very sorry, but intellect is unfortunately a very rare commodity, & the rich r justly rewarded 4 it; even the spoiled 1s... if u werent such a faggot, maybe u wouldnt b such a communist dog

What do you produce OP?

>>133803147
See my post you mong, they don't labour off the backs of others, they hold the market in order to provide for their employees. Are parents living off the backs of their children when they earn an allowance?

You stupid fuck...how do you think they got rich? We're not all equal. Some do, some wish and some watch(you).

>>133803147
Do lottery winners deserve the money they get? Is it desirable that a rapper would earn more than a farmer/engineer/physicist/doctor?

>>133804010
Luck.

>>133804241
Learn how to budget and evaluate your expenses.

>>133804474
LOL

>>133800760
They work smarter. No one cares how hard you work if it isn't useful. An industrious masturbater is not entitled to money just because he works hard (lol) doing it.

>>133800760
You would collapse like a bitch with the pressure of running a business and competing viciously. Fuck off.

>>133804553
Oh sorry I didn't know I was talking to a child. You'll understand when you're older.

>>133804013
>deserve
Who defines that? I get so tired of this tax the rich bullshit.
Plebs not understanding how tax code works.
People who bitch it about it the most more than likely get a refund of what they paid in or don't pay any taxes at all.
All you fuckers go kill yerself. The world will not miss you.

>>133800760
>Let's steal from the rich because they can afford it

I'd be more for it if the dinars we stole from them didn't go to bomb sand niggers and pay for regular niggers.

Seriously, start spending money well and I'll be more morally flexible.

>>133803147
so you admit you're here to shill communism

>>133801869
Rich people already do pay more, retard.

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>>133800760
You see this is simply not true. At least the rich, well, most of them at least worked their asses off for a period of time in their lives. Unlike marxist communists who destroy other people's work they are actually creating jobs so you don't need to get your ass up and found your own company to support yourself.

Or if you decide to be a NEET capitalists makes sure there are companies and workers who support your sorry ass lifestyle.

It's a simple fact that communism or socialism wouldn't be possible without capitalism. No companies, no workers, no taxes not NEET no GIBMEDATS.

GET IT NOW YOU PATHETIC LOSER?

Get this into your brain... life is hard work. Even if you try to weasel your way out of it. There's no way around it. You have to put in the work.

Well, unless.... unless you just shoot yourself in the head. That will solve ALL of your existential problems. ALL OF THEM.

:)

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>>133804553
what's sad (or funny?), is u think ur right; ppl r fucking stupid by mass; that should b2 ez 2 lrn by now if ur a /b/ tard

>http://www.complex.com/life/2017/07/anonymous-trader-made-more-than-230-million-in-a-month
DUHH HUHHH

EVEN in >widgets< can a man make millions in his youth; passion is a horrifying monster that u gravely underestimate

>>133805152
>here to shill communism
>Of course because we all know from history how successful it has been.

>>133800760

Agreed. Most rich people inherit their wealth or are born to middle or upper-class parents. The "rags to riches" story is incredibly rare and is touted by neocons as if everyone can do it if they just "work hard."

In reality most people who are born poor can, at best, move up to the middle class, if they kill themselves doing degrading labor for rich assholes 60 hours a week for decades.

Fascism would fix this problem.

>>133805433
you're fuckin nuts m8

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>>133805550
he isnt; even the sites i think shouldn't go 404

i fkin h8 this, & canadians

>>133800760
Hey dipshit hillary voter, it was hillary who said she was going to raise taxes on the middle class, read WORKING CLASS, while billionaire Warren Buffet clapped right next to her

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>>133805663
>he isnt; even the sites i think shouldn't go 404

o my bad bro

addendum: even the sites i think shouldn't go 404, end up 404ing

>>133805545
if that is true aren't you happy you were born in the USA and not some african or middle eastern shithole? Those people make less than $1000 dollars per year. PER YEAR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GNI_(nominal,_Atlas_method)_per_capita

I hope you feel rich now. :)

>>133805545
Can't tell if bait or uneducated

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>>133800760
rich people created everything your worthless ass uses to enjoy the comforts of modernity
fuck off and die, commie

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>>133800760
>Tax them more for making more money than me

Really makes me want to work harder :DDDD

>>133805545
2/3 of billionaires are self made.
you're a fucking moron

>>133806073
Source?

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>>133800760
For the most part I agree OP the richest make their money off stocks and do not work manually. The rich should pay somewhat higher taxes. Businesses should be taxed less (like 15%). If you tax the rich at to high of a rate they have no incentive to create jobs, and tax on money made on stocks is doubled by income & business tax. The other end of the spectrum must be addressed to in the welfare state of people who do nothing for the economy. The working middle class always seems to get stuck with the bill as a % of earnings.

>>133800760
this is under the assumption that more tax revenue for the government will equate to increased prosperity for the working class and the poor

unfortunately, thanks to the absolute beauty of public adminstration, only a tiny, insignificant fraction of that revenue will actually go towards helping said people

the rest will get squandered through the inefficiencies and corruption of government

which is why, it's better to let rich people keep their money as they'll likely spend it and invest in businesses, thereby helping the economy and keeping working class people employed

>>133806360
>spend it
Nope.

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>>133806117
http://archive.is/AS5Ct
>...Forbes said that wealth in America has become far more meritocratic over time. It said that in 1984, "less than half of those on The Forbes 400 were self-made; today, 69 percent of the 400 created their own fortunes."

>>133806214
stocks enable businesses to run... i.e. allow us to buy shit and be employed

>>133802340
Why? I grew up in a very wealthy neighborhood in Orange County. Rich people are often some of the most fucked up, anxiety ridden depressed losers on the planet, always stressing about materialistic bullshit. Not even mentioning never knowing who your real friends are and who just wants to hang out around wealthy people to feel better about themselves.

Obviously this isn't true for many rich people, but if having a mansion, multiple luxury cars, and essentially never having to worry about working again doesn't make people happy, then what does? Wealth isn't everything, and America is going to find that out the hard way as our nation and the West continues to crumble.

>>133806360
Horry Shit
An intelligent leaf
Archive this now for future generations to see a canadian said something that makes sense.

>>133800760
>most rich people really do not work harder, they sit on their ass well benefiting from the manual and office labor of everyone else.
OK why does this mean we need to give the feds more money?

The rich have lawyers to avoid taxes
The poor never pay any income tax
The middle class is the killing fields

>>133800760
>But this is total bullshit, most rich people really do not work harder
Prove that statement.

>>133806631
>OK why does this mean we need to give the feds more money?
Their "tax the rich" argument isn't about taxes at all.
It's about a group of losers who want to punish successful people. Successful people will always find a way to be successful. Losers will always be losers.

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>>133806360
leafs have been getting more based lately now that we have flagfags
the only ones who retain their leafs are the basest nationalists who don't give a fuck what /pol/ thinks

>>133802340
>I would shit on anybody's face to get that house, and you should too

What the fuck would I do with that many rooms? I need, like, three. Maximum. The rest of the house would be a creepy empty place.

As expected, anyone who has anything against those who manipulate and fuck over other human beings to get to the top is automatically a 'communist'. No, I'm not a communist; I just don't think that it is morally acceptable to ruin other peoples lives so you can live in a temporary bubble of wealth.

Honestly, it doesn't matter. Humans have been doing this for 10,000 years of civilization, and we will repeat this pattern until we go extinct. It is ingrained in our very biology to always seek out more and be competitive; on a larger scale this is dangerous because if you have a handful of people making the decisions over billions; obviously the elite and wealthy are only going to care about themselves, not what is best for society. And hence why every single empire in the history of the world has collapsed, and why the United States is going to collapse. Enjoy the good times while you can, /pol, we're living in some of the last materially prosperous times right now.

>>133806892
(((succesful people))) with (((connections)))

face it man, its not about personal strength than its about being born in a position to meet other powerful people

The problem isn't wealth itself, who holds it, or it's distribution, the issue is the structure in which it's made. We're long overdue for some serious trustbusting and anti-monopoly legislation. Excessive regulation isn't good for industry or the economy either but in times like these it's necessary in the short term before being rolled back in order for the free market to function properly and actually be free, laissez faire capitalism doesn't work either.
It's not about punishing those who are successful for their sucess but rather addressing unscrupulous business practices and policies which are supposed to be illegal but companies engage in regardless by finding loopholes in the letter of the law while defeating the spirt. Overbloated industry without sufficent oversight and culpability is just as bad as putting to much power in the hands of the central government.

>>133800760
If being rich is so easy than why aren't you rich yourself?

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>>133800760
>But this is total bullshit

>>133800760
Hey dumb ass, what happens when they decide to store their wealth outside the country, or move themselves entirely outside the country? What's more, 20% of $25 trillion or 80% of $0?

Honestly we need to get rid of universal suffrage, you fucking retards shouldn't be able to vote.

>>133807572
>implying it isnt already

>>133807337
>born in a position to meet other powerful people
Bullshit. I know and have known personally by name and association very successful, wealthy people. I'm still poor.
Not everything is black and white.

>>133802346
This is true of small buisiness.

however the inevitability of cumilative wealth increases result in monopolies.

Small monopolies lead to oligopolies when corporations realize there is more profit in less competition by working together.

Thus they involved politics to keep it out of their way while they work as a small, conspiratorial, unit. Exploiting their oligopoly status through political influence until all that remains is corporate power.

How do you, libertarians, stop this natural "shark party"?

>>133806460
I don't think their definition of self-made is the same as yours.

By their definition Trump is a self-made billionaire.

>>133800760
Capitalist cucks don't actually say that.

They say the rich produce more value, which is broadly correct. You can try organizing the efforts of those manual and office laborers and see if you get rich too.

Probably not.

>>133807869
Trump increased the money he was given over 1000 fold. The people complaining are ones that take 60k loans and turn them into -140k of net worth.

>>133800760
The rich do work harder. If being a rich person just involved sitting on their ass all day, there'd be a lot more of them right?

>>133807389
the problem in inflation which is basically lets banks give out tons of shitty loans

>>133807866
>"Oh there you go bringing class into it again"
>Knowing full well he doesn't know the movie quote.

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>>133807140
>they got what they have by ruining other people's lives
this is why you're a communist
you're a parasite that needs to be purged
it's your kind of entitled thinking that destroys societies

>>133807681
No shit leaf, that's the whole point of making our corporate tax rate competitive on a global level, to bring back the trillions of USD currently sitting in offshore accounts. You don't reattract lost investment by raising taxes as Berniebros keep demanding

>>133807813
when i said born in a position i said born in a powerful family position with deep connections

not you, just knowing some rich friends and living as a commoner does not equal to deep connctions

>>133808263
except that that's bullshit
people can build connections through hard work, fuck fack

>>133808263
>powerful family position
Some were family. Family is no guarantee. Christ you're an idiot.
You think bill gates gives money to a 3rd cousin by marriage?

>>133808259
its not going to happen

low corporate tax might encourage start ups but once the ball rolled they will try their hardest to evade its just how it is

We should tax the rich at 10%, then have that be our only tax.

>>133801869
People who make over $500,000 pay easily 40%+ of their income.

>>133807866
That's a government issue, not a business is nor is it a result of people being wise with their finances. OPs argument which is what I was addressing was about how wealthy people are lazy and don't work hard. However to address you, the government needs eliminate pay for play, lobbying, corporate donations and the like. Essentially treating these companies like any religious establishment in order to remove their part in government. On top of that finding a way to help local start ups. I would argue supporting them financially is a waste of time and money as if the start would to boom then they would find themselves in the corporate level of non government involvement. I'm not an expert by any means though so I'm not sure of a solution but im sure there is one. There always is, it's just a matter of wieght the pros and cons for the country, and community. Monopolies are risky business.

Why don't people just become rich instead of complaining?

All you need to become Bill Gates is follow these 7 easy steps:

http://anthonyevans.net/asrichasbill.htm

>>133808534
>the definition of 1 in a million

sure as fuck there can be exceptions if you happen to be at the right place at the right time

there are way more hard working folks than bill gates that are working for him

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>>133808263
>born in a powerful family position with deep connections
Just an FYI. Bill Gates his giving the bulk of his estate to charity. Not his own children. Wonder how they feel about that and your so called theory. (I love how people with no money know everything there is to know about rich people)

>>133807869
Was Trump given a billion dollars? No he took the money left to him and used it to create his empire. He could have easily squandered it in the beginning and lived a lovely depreciating life. Instead he was wise and made it.

>>133808534
fuck, i didnt read your thing right

bill gates might not give them money, but he will give his children something more valuable, connections

>>133800760
The stairs on this house make no sense

>>133809076

bill gates might not give them money, but he will give his children something more valuable, connections

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>>133802980
>>133803192
>obamaleaf ranting like a nonsensical retard
This is a view at a mentally broken person right here

>>133809076
>Bill and Melinda Gates are giving a reported $10 million for each of their three children: pocket change compared with their $76 billion. Buffett’s three kids each have a $2 billion foundation funded by Dear Old Dad. The rest of his money? Going to charity

Damn, only 10 million each, how will they even afford Starbucks with that?

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Only way to become a millionaire is an EMERGENCY FUND OF UP TO 6 MONTHS OF EXPENSES

>>133809256
>The stairs on this house make no sense
Common sight in Florida.

>>133809030
Bill Gates earned himself the luxury of not having to work hard. Currently there's probably people under him who work harder then he does, in the beginning of his career he worked harder than anyone else to bring Microsoft to where it is today. It's no wonder the leaf meme is so real with people like you raging on about folk with more shekels in their pouch.

>>133800760
There are good arguments in favor of a 100% tax on all profit made off of renting real estate

>>133808122
That is an issue as well along with the current debt based fiat currency system which is dependent on perpetual growth in order to be sustainable. Between to two eventual collapse is inevitable, especially with interest rates pretty much as low as they can go meaning there's no longer an simple way to quickly encourage corporate spending and investment. I'm curious to see what will happen to Canada now that they've sold off all their gold reserves, their government has gone all in staking everything in investing in the non-real financial assets rather than holding physical commodities in reserve, when shit hits the fan they are likely going to feel it the hardest off all 1st world countries.

>>133808752
If the corporate tax rate is as low here as it is anywhere else then why would they go somewhere else?
>inb4 tax havens with zero percent rates
One those places get your money in other ways, two they are all small nations that can not be completely trusted not to eventually nationalize your shit a la Panama

>>133809358
>People shouldn't take care of their children
Are you retarded?

>>133809497
You gotta love people who bad mouth Gates and others while using his innovations to do said bitching.

>>133800760
Being a rich person this is completely true. I don't even know shit about investment, I just higher some 'wealth manager' to make good ROI for me and if it drops below a certain factor I fire him and get another one. I spend most of my days trying to think up new ways to spend my money on things I haven't already experienced, which is pretty fucking hard to do.

The only way to make your family wealthy is through centuries of generation intelligently rearing it not middle-class-niggering out on a mcmansion

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>>133809343
>smugposting to hide a lack of rebuttal

>>133809744
>higher
Hire
Obviously you didn't rich by being intelligent

>>133809866
Nope, I got like 2.2 at dartmouth. I inherited my wealth and live off the dividends.

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>>133809824
>deflecting as a form of defense for the mental breakdown you have had since the election
Whatever you say schizo

>>133802340
You'd get used to it, then it would become background. You'd start feeling miserable, trying to dill that void with something.

The rich struggle with depression far more than long poor people because poor people appreciate what they have.

Almost every rich friend I have is a miserable sack of shit. They only have fun when they're drunk or high.

>>133809926
>I inherited my wealth and live off the dividends.
Sounds like you take after your Mother then.

>>133800760
Yeah sure dude

>>133802980
What's wrong with work, niggers?

>>133809685
I'm all for skeptiscm and critiscm but this is such a basic understanding of cause and effect I'm surprised anyone arguing against being able to build wealth or production has made it this far.

>>133809618
no, exactly, those that felt the need to take the risk going offshore wont be the ones to come back and get their taxes done legally

>>133809950
Trump's election affects me (me being my work situation) not at all, just pointing out your complete inability to rebut the statements at hand.

>>133803147
Or middle class can cut down on their spending and focus on family or even providing for themselves. Why do you need that car or super Nintendos?

It's like everyone has lost the sense of value.

>>133802980
I've always hated the golfing argument against presidents. Like are they just supposed to work 19 hours a day and never take a break or do something relaxing every once in a while?

Meanwhile the same people using the golf argument are on reddit arguing that nobody should work more than 30 hours a week.

>>133809983
This is true. My dad said he wasn't going to leave me a penny beyond my college expenses and that it was up to me to provide the lifestyle i was used to for myself. Then he died and I found out he lied, I inherited my 3rd of it with my 2 siblings. But since he passed, and I haven't had to work I've had suicidal ideation off and on for about 2 years now. I was much happier in college when I was busy being stressed out about my grades (most of which I bribed my teachers for) and trying to network my way into a banking job. Now I don't have to do any of that. I can literally live off the ROI on my wealth and not cut into the capital even a single tenth of a % for the rest of my life, leaving my dads money to my children, so I don't even really have to worry about them. I literally have no purpose, just wealth and luxury, and it's fucking terrible. I don't even leave the manse anyways since mostly I love digital entertainment and am not a real people person

>>133810176
"There are no luggage racks on a hearse".

>>133810138
You don't know that and it is a stupid idea to just write off over twenty trillion dollars with a wave of the hand

>>133809497
of course step 1 is finding a succesful start up where your hard work actually matters

never said step 1 is all there is to it, just that hard work without luck or connections wont make you

>>133808905
>>133807389

>>133807866
While I think you guys are echoing some of my sentiments but I still am waiting to see a solution from the free market to this problem.

Let me be clear in the interest of fairness. I'm a market socialist. I think that's the answer to this problem.

I'm not authoritarian. But I came to /pol in the first place to see what ideas were out there. So far I like a lot of what's here but also find a lot missing.

Help me out bros.

>>133810176
That's the root of the problem burgerbro, value is a fleeting and momentary thing living out it's 15 minutes of fame waiting to be reassigned. Most of these people are like crows to shiny objects it's rather disheartening

>>133810263
There's nothing preventing you from just going and doing a meme job as a hobby and adding to the pot as something to do. LABOUR = JOY

>>133810465
We live under a system of market socialism. What do you think the bank bailouts were? Do you think under free market you get your loses socialized?

>>133810236
>I've always hated the golfing argument against presidents.
Including when Donald "Tee Time" Trump used it against Obama?

>>133810482
It's not the same. The rich should strive to innovation, not make more money. That's the problem.

>>133801869
Sure, but why not a flat tax?

0 income tax before 100k
15% on everything after 100k

>>133810545
Yea including then. It's just a stupid argument overall.

Next we're gonna start giving him shit for taking a lunch break or for sleeping.

I really don't think libers are in any position to tell someone they're not working hard enough.

>>133800760

True but how does taxing them more help me out? I don't work for the government nor am I a nigger getting a first of the month check nor a Mexishits getting a welfare food stamp check... How does taxing rich white people help me a poor single white person?

>>133810470
People should live on farms and work for their food. Do fucking barn dancing again. I bet the Amish are happier than the average wage cuck.

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>>133800760
We should tax the (((rich))) because they're pieces of shit. Whether they work too much or too little does not matter, take their income and burn it like the Joker

>>133810482
It's harder than you think to motivate yourself when you really don't have to. My biggest struggle I've been working through with my therapist right now is the lack of desire, or wants. I literally want for nothing. I could do anything I want to, but I literally don't want to do anything... Like, I've done so much in my life that other people would die to do, and I've done it just as a matter of course. Like dining in the eiffel tower, vacationing in honolulu. I actually remember a fight with my mother because I refused to go on a cruise with them because it was boring and I'd been on so many it was fucking pointless boring waste of time. Pretty much the only thing I've wanted lately was to try VR and shit so I bought a whole big setup, and was EXTREMELY disappointed by the lack of progress in this tech, it's so fucking overhyped, non-immersive bs. The thing I spend the most time thinking about to do with my wealth is how I can use it to purify the genetic pool without getting caught.

>>133810545
It was meant to win the election. It didn't mean anything. People were pissed that Obama was golfing while selling out America. Nobody gives a shit about golfing.

>>133810754
>How does taxing rich white people help me a poor single white person?
It doesn't. Anyone who believes the government will hand it over to them is a fucking idiot. Just like Climate change carbon tax credits won't stop climate change.

>>133808466
>through hard work
You obviously don't know jack shit about hard work. Just because a job pays 5$ an hour, it doesn't mean it's easy work. As a matter of fact, a 5$ an hour job is most of the time harder work than a CEO's job where god forbid he has to meet some board members in an AC room with a nice 5k meal.

You might want to believe that rich people deserve their wealth, but don't tell someone that poor people don't work hard. My father worked 2 minimum wages jobs, literally from 8 am to 8 pm on week days and 8 am to 5pm on weekends. Don't tell me, even for a second, that he wasn't hard working.

It is all about connections and the family you are born.

You cannot start a business when you have kids and can barely get a mortgage, even less pay one.You cannot start a business with kids, especially when there is a high risk of having it fail, and if successful, not receive any money for years to come. Most people don't have the privelege of being born in a family, with connections and the capital to start a thousand businesses. Literally everyone I know who started their own business, did so with the help of their parents, or inherited it from their parents.

And just because a few people out there managed to do it on their own, they certainly were not in the same situation as others. You are born in poverty, you most likely will die in it. You seem to think that hard work has anything to do with it, but it does not. Trust me, a CEO doesn't work as hard as a farmer, on a physical level, or as an engineer on a mental level. In both cases, people with lower wages outwork him. Stop sucking their balls like a good goy, you just show how retarded you are. If it was truely hard work to become a millionaire, trust me, youd see a lot more of them around. The reason why you don't it's because the system is not designed to produce a lot of them. If it did, it would be unsustainable.

>>133810387
Luck indicates that there is no intention or skill involved with the outcome. If I want to run a flower shop and need a fertilizer guy I can hang out with people who farm because we share likeminded pursuits or I can hang out at Starbucks and chat about all my endeavours waiting to find a guy who knows a guy. It's not luck it's the method of which you choose to do business. If you approach work like it's work then you're not going anywhere because you punch in and punch out. But if your work is your passion you're going to be talking to likeminded people anyway and boom there's your connections, there's your right time and place, there's your Luck. It's a matter of knowing what you have, what you can offer, and who you're offering it to. That's business 101

>>133810359
its all speculation, nobody, including you, knows except them

i say that money is already gone, but anyways, their contibution is innovation

>>133810713
I don't entirely disagree, although the almost weekly, taxpayer-expensive MAL trips are retarded and indefensible. He takes more vacations in a year than I have in a lifetime.

>>133810969
Hard Work Is Not Smart Work

>>133810969
>My father worked 2 minimum wages jobs, literally from 8 am to 8 pm on week days and 8 am to 5pm on weekends. Don't tell me, even for a second, that he wasn't hard working.
Sounds like he was a stupid retard then, you only have to work a few hours per day to get millions. Must've sucked to have such a stupid father.

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>>133810917
>while selling out America.
>liberals need to shut the fuck up about the Russians, they're decent dudes

>>133810936
The government, if it were able to, would ideally make smart investments like paying for the college expenses of anyone getting STEM, business, or law degrees (more STEM less Law). And providing for peoples healthcare so that medical expenses didn't prevent them from becoming engineers and scientists and moving the ball forward. Most rich people are old though, and think that War and killing inferiors via war, water contamination, medical experimentation on the public, etc is more worthwhile. The thing the RICH fear the most is legitimate competition on merits, instead of competition of capital

>>133811136
The rich rule as they should and the poor suffer as they must.

>>133811164
>muh Russians

Jesus Christ.

>>133810577
Try telling that to the rich. They will say they make more money via innovation. Innovations like derivative trading, and other financial tricks that add nothing but suck up the merit of others hard work. The rich rule as they should, the poor suffer as they must.

>>133811256
Thanks for proving me right. You don't give a fuck about "selling out".

>>133811072
>Smart work
An engineer's work is dumb? No faggot, CEO's don't do smart work nor hard work, they got lucky, that's all that has to do with their success. And most of the time, that luck came in the form of having parents who were in the business or with connections. Please tell me how many ceos you have running around who designed their products in their parents basement, and build the company from scratch all by themselves. Hell even bill gates used IBM's technology to start his way to the top. I seriously doubt he even 1 line out of the millions found in windows 10's operating system. So go ahead, tell me what smart work is. I thought hard work made millionaires, not apparently it's smart work. Go ahead, tell me what smart work is.

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>>133800760
Don't worry OP. You'll get promoted from fryolator to the burger assembly line one of these days.

>>133811396
If you don't know what I mean by smartwork it is your fault for being a poorfag

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>>133811136
>Sounds like he was a stupid retard
No, he wasn't a stupid retard. He had 4 kids to take care off. He can't go around, in his basement, develop something for years with no money whatsoever just to see it fail, or bring become lucrative after 5 years. It's not like if you can get a loan from a bank to kickstart your company these days.

Tell me how smart are you? Where are your billions mr smartypants.

>>133811483
Most will never know what it means to have money work for you instead of having to work for money.

>>133811358
I'm talking about what the rich can do for themselves.

>>133811483
It's good to see that you haven't read a line of what I said. I guess that's some fine smart work.

>>133811635
>Most will never know what it means to have money work for you instead of having to work for money.
To have money work for you, you need to have money in the first place. Show me your great plan to get that money to start with.

>>133811588
>shits out kids he can't pay for
>not a stupid retard

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>>133809343
this guy isn't even me >>133809824

ur so fucking mentally retarded, you can't even read a user id

>>133810970
luck is a supplement to everything else, including passion, connections, strengths

going to work with a passion and organizing like minded people sounds like the recipie of carving out an empire until you realize 30 of your buddies have the same mindset as you

and 2 of them are in skulls and bones

>>133811758
BTFO

>>133810577

I agree. Once people get rich, they sit on their fat ass like they're on welfare, waiting for that check. They might have "new and innovative" ideas, but it's shit compared to their original idea.

I hate when people are successful only due to the fact that they're predecessors boosted them up the chain. It destroys the idea of capitalism and brings a way to re-invite a dynastic line of power and wealth.

For all those with the "ideal tax" out there, a curved tax is better due to the fact that the more affluent have more assets they need to protect and the government with the military and law enforcement need to protect those assets to ensure that anarchy doesn't occur. It's retarded to have a flat tax because the rich either find loopholes or make so much money that 15% or 20% is jack shit.

sorry for the tl;dr

>>133811588
Holy shit man calm down were on a venetian coffee archive not at our therapists. If your dad had to work that hard to make ends meet for your family good on him for doing what needed to be done. Not everyone can be some big developer or innovator. Value is not based of currency alone.

>>133811898
>Value is not based of currency alone.
If it wasn't you wouldn't be in capitalism. There is no other measure of anything. If you have no money, you're a shit person. Are you a communist?

>>133810543
I know this is going to degrade quickly but; that was fascism not socialism.

Allow me to explain:

Fascism is the institutionalization of capitalism as a state apparatus. I.E. the capitalist becomes an organ of the state. His company remains his but he is attached to the state and inextricably linked to its demands and its finances.

Market socialism would basically be socialized health care, socialized housing, with freedom to buy your own shit if you want on the market place, using the excess value produced by your own damn enterprise. But most major industries are predominantly organized through democratic co-ops/employee owned stores.

I know its a bit fiddly but basically; private individuals who's businesses fail can go fuck themselves but the state props up steel and copper mining industries because even if they aren't profitable we need copper.

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>>133811758
>paid for the kids
>can't pay for them

>>133811786
Well that's another point entirely, I wasn't thinking that far into the system. More along the lines of building yourself something sustainable for you and your employees. If that's the route were taking then you're absolutely right.

>>133810970
btw if you are just talking about flower shops than ((deepconnections)) arent really a factor

still, doesnt mean you can just give up hard work, just know that everything is better with luck sprinkled on top of it

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>>133811731
>Show me your great plan to get that money to start with.
I want you to get 10 of your friends to send me $59.99 each to University of P.O. Box 2000 USA 44813
(Offer not valid in Hawaii and Alaska)

>>133811758
>shit out kids he can't pay for
He could pay for them, through hard work dipshit. He was never on welfare. The point is that hard work doesn't make you millions. Privelege does. You didn't have to immigrate out of your country and start your life all over again TWICE. You didn't have to do so with kids. He was definitely able to provide for us, but circumstances change. I don't expect a brainlet to understand this.

>>133811731
Stop spending money on junk like some impatient coon and save some of it.

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>>133800760
>they sit on their ass
Then how did they get that money, inherited wealth not withstanding?

>>133811996
By no means am I a communist. But it does appear your reading comprehension is subpar

>>133811731
Protip: Credit isn't for consumption.

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>>133802340
at first i agreed but a closer look into the photo revealed the staircases are not water slides

pass, thank you

>>133812123
>Has kids that consume all of income
>Wonders why they can't build wealth
>Hurrr durrr what are life choices

>>133803147
You see the computer you're on right now, some guy started a company that built those computers, and A multitude of other people created manufacturing companies for specific parts used in making these computers.

The same applies for the cell phone you use, the Xbox you play etc.

Two years ago the guy that invented whatsapp was collecting food stamps then he sold his company for $8 billion he was from the bottom of the barrel to the top of the 1%! It may not be shovelling dirt, but only fucking idiots shovel dirt. it required extreme intelligence to do the programming and most importantly a lot of innovation to do what nobody had done, not to mention the due diligence to make sure nobody steals your idea and many other factors, he took A huge risk. Go become a computer engineer you will have company is lining up to hire you the second you graduate or if you're really into take the rest were card and have a bit of innovation you could create something yourself otherwise shut the fuck up.

The people you're bitching about our rich because they provide you and me and everyone we know with stuff that we want, weaklings like you just can't handle the fact that you were in capable of accomplishing something of that magnitude. Therefore everybody should be for, and the rich should basically give their money to you… Fuck off

>>133812123
>Privelege
Yeah he clearly "pied" for "excallant" "sckooling".

>>133811996
It's hard to judge the true value of something when the thing you measure the value with has it's own fluctuating value. It's like measuring with someone's height; some people are taller - more valuable currency - and vice versa.
People grow and shrink aswell (inflation and deflation.)

>>133800760
It's always called higher taxes for the rich but it ends in higher taxes for everybody that pays them.

>>133812278
I endorse all the autism in this post

>>133812278
>it required extreme intelligence to do the programming and most importantly a lot of innovation to do what nobody had done
Are you retarded? It's a copy of Yahoo Messenger, ICQ, and all the other IM programs that have existed for decades.

Btw, dude lived on half a million of his Yahoo savings. Collecting food stamps my ass.

>>133812190
>inherited wealth not withstanding?

>>133812185
>Stop spending money on junk like some impatient coon and save some of it.
I guess food and rent is junk. Good to know. I'll eat dog shit and live in a card board box from now on. Gotta work on becoming a millionaire.

On a serious note, we didn't spend out money on useless shit. None of us had cellphones until we got a job to pay for it. We had one rust bucket to travel with. And through all that, we all become doctors, dentists, engineers and nurses. The point is, No matter what you do, ultimately you'll never reach that top, unless you get very lucky. Luck is not smart work nor hard work. It is just that: luck.

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>>133812278

Perfect example of the lottery mentality.
"I might win!" Chances of winning 1:250000000.

"I won't get cancer or heart disease if I smoke." chances of cancer or heart disease if you smoke 1:7.

Perfect example of the pecking order mentality.

Perfect example of someone with their head up their ass. "If I can't see it, it can't be something."

>>133812278
Rich people can start our with rags, but some rich people only got rich due to connections (family and friends.) What pisses me off is that when some people get success, they don't do anything new and innovative and just take the profit from the people who keep up their work.

>>133800760
Perhaps the ability for the rich to spend their money stupidly is indicative that they're not smart enough to have earned their money in the first place, i.e. that their money wasn't "earned" in a way that should ethically constitute earning, and thus that how it is dictated what who "earns" is flawed. A stupid person could sell a stupid thing to stupid people, become rich, and spend their money stupidly. This isn't inherently justified by capitalism. It is possible an economic system based on selfishness and human desire, is flawed.

The problem is with how "earning" is defined. Commies think "earning" is done by and should be equivalent to one's effort. Capitalists think ideas alone can constitute "earning." Clearly, both are false. The most practical way to define earning would be by production, not including taking credit for other people's production just because you "had an idea," and not "earning" according to how "hard you tried." This is obvious. Capitalist proponents and commies are both retarded.

>>133812311
You pay them on your own volition! Do you want an iPhone, you want A car, you want groceries that farmers slaved over until they built something to the point where they had a large enough farm and enough resources to pay people to do the farming for them! You pay them because you want something they provide. Don't like it don't move to Nigeria and become tribal punch your own food, sow your own clothes build your own tools etc have fun

>>133800760
>they sit on their ass well benefiting from the manual and office labor of everyone else

If it's so simple, why don't YOU do that?

You're a commie b/c of your ignorance. You'll grow out of that.

>>133812265
>hurrr durr, live in a card board box, shit in the corner of said box, smell like piss, live like shit for years, so you can make that money to gamble on stock

I am not even done with university yet, and saved over 40k on a fucking part time job. I'm still no close to being a millionaire, and I'm pretty sure I'm doing better than you.

>>133812621
It's just excuses - the average salary in the UK is about £22,000 and the average cost of food and £13,000 (this includes luxury spending also) so stop pissing £9k+ up the wall and job done.

>>133812521
If it was so simple why didn't you do it, and why did you not receive the $8 billion deal. Oh that's right because you didn't have the work ethic and the innovation to make a spin off of Yahoo! Messenger If anything that's just makes it more ingenious.

Half a mill, did he build that equity through proper investments and savings and responsible spending? The answer is yes, his family is not wealthy and it is a fact at one point he was on food stamps like a bum

>>133812884
cost of living*

>>133800760
I've said it all the time OP
Tax the rich 95% of their assets. Just take their wealth away from them. They'll still be rich, but they won't hoard over such a high % of the world's wealth

But the legion of idiot capitalists won't ever listen

>>133812621
No it's not always luck, the people right now that are getting into nano technology or artificial intelligence basically the next best thing are one step ahead of everybody else. But the thing is there are a lot of very smart people thinking ahead of all the other Plebs and they have to complete with those people and if they pull it off and they create the first artificial intelligence or they mass-produce nanotechnology for the least cost, well then they win. If you call that luck you're just a bitter moron.

Also, my step father is a doctor he makes roughly $500,000-$700,000 a year, but the man would pick up a penny and take it to the bank to invest it, he bought into Google when it was $40 a share and never touched it among many others now he's worth at least over 10 million

>>133812279
Please tell me, how many nobodies were president of the US? That is an example of where your "privelege" comes in, and I do not use that word in the same way as SJWs. You need connectiosn to advance in this world, If you don't realize that, then you are pretty retarded, and probably wouldn't amount to anythign at all. To get in any position of power or wealth, you need those connections.

>>133812933
>> If it was so simple why didn't you do it
Eating your own shit is pretty simple too, what's your excuse?

>>133813180
Well that's because the 99% of the world does not deserve 95% of the 1% money!

>>133800760
If you think the person who lives in that house is rich then you are fucking poor son

Get back to work peasant the fields don't plough themselves

>>133812670
>some rich people only got rich due to connections

most rich people, as wealth very often stay in the family long past any deserving individual was alive

>>133813333
I'm not the one bitching about people being wealthy, I'm defending them because I'm quite thankful for the services they provide because guess what I make them rich by buying things that I want. I am a pleb and I'm not crying like a little bitch about it, trying to get somebody's money taken away because I'm a bitter weasel of a human

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>>133813180
How fucking dare you. Don't you dare ever threaten my billionaire globalist overlords again.

t. proud lifetime Republican voter, rural and suburban retard, right winger and Trumptard

>>133812884
Great, add clothes, school supplies, school tuitions, food, rent, transport, insurance, interests, taxes, and so much more, and see how much you have left. You can't exactly start a company with 500$ a year dipshit. Your figure is probably for one person on top of that, not for a family, especially one with 25k per year.

>>133813519
Was living standards not food

>>133812835
the 1st gen rich work their asses off combined with luck and talent to carve out an empire.

their sons just need to not be stupid enough to lose their holdings

>>133813180
Define the rich. At what point do you start paying the 95% tax?

Lets say $200k is the benchmark. Suppose you start a business, and reinvest your profits into expanding your operation, hire more staff and make more profits. When you hit $200k profit, why bother expanding any more?

You'll lose 95% of everything you earn passed this point, so is it worth the effort and risk to expand any further, to hire any more people? No business in the country would bother growing beyond this point, which means the wealth will never be created to be taxed in the first place.

>>133813295
>No it's not always luck, the people right now that are getting into nano technology or artificial intelligence basically the next best thing are one step ahead of everybody else. But the thing is there are a lot of very smart people thinking ahead of all the other Plebs and they have to complete with those people and if they pull it off and they create the first artificial intelligence or they mass-produce nanotechnology for the least cost, well then they win. If you call that luck you're just a bitter moron.

When the fuck was the last time you saw an AI engineer/coder make the same amount of money as a CEO? Eat shit faggot, you don't even know what youre talking about. A company such as google with virtually unlimited funds and a huge workforce is still working after years on their shitty AI car. You somehow think that one guy in his basement can compete agaisnt that? You gotta be delusional. Holy shit, get your head out of your ass and stop with the "started the company out of my mom's basement" meme.

>>133812670
You are absolutely right some people are born into money. What are you going to do sit around and be resentful the rest of your life, that'll fill your bank account! Or worse are you going to start preaching socialism or communism?

But like you said there are numerous people that start off with rags and by the time they die are multimillionaires to billionaires, so at least try and be that person. The most disgusting thing a human can do, is sit around or work hard at shovelling dirt 10 hours a day like a moron and then preach about how nobody should have it better than them! It's fucking disgusting

>>133812655
Yeah Bill gates, Warren Buffett it was just pure luck for them it's not like they spent countless hours researching and working and fighting major competition... exactly the same thing as playing the Powerball you're so profoundly right wow

>>133811758
Be nice croat at least his dad worked hard and honorably to contribute to society any other occupation is jewish even trump is a jew. Anyone who makes money because they have alot of money to invest is a jew.

>>133813772
There are numerous examples throughout history where small companies not of one person working in the basement have beaten major conglomerates. You're just a faggot riddled with defeatism which is fine just don't bitch about it.

>>133813739
And therein lies the the trouble with comminism.
No reward for hard work or innovation.
Tax the rich fags don't understand.

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>>133803192
>deserve

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>>133800760
>most rich people really do not work harder, they sit on their ass well benefiting from the manual and office labor of everyone else

That's a meme anon. Stop falling for it.

>>133800760
Tax the rich!
The rich leave or stop working.
Nothing left to tax.
Then what?

>>133813772
Also you could get a job at these major companies that are working on the front lines of the next big thing, and play a major part in it and invest your salary into the company you're working for when you feel confident that you are on the precipice of achieving The next big Innovacion. There's also that option, that's the beauty of capitalism lots of different options.


So many of you whinning could become doctors, computer engineers etc. and live very well far better than most idiots that just dig dirt and spend 1/5 of their salary on cigarettes and alcohol, but basically your whining because you won't be a billionaire like fuck off

>>133802467
well then you can build your own iphone, burn your own coal and fuck your own girlfriend

>>133814405
Sheeeeit.

>>133800760
Most millionaires and billionaires are self made
Kill yourself stupid class envious marxist fuck.

http://www.fa-mag.com/news/most-millionaires-self-made--study-says-14565.html

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/269593

Economic inequality exists for the same reason athletic and intellectual inequality exists; people are biologically unequal, and no government policy is ever going to change that.

>>133803192
>canadian using antisemitic parenthesis
Reported to your local canadian law enforcement.

>>133812190
This. This is what pisses me off with the left. The fact that they seem to resent these "capitalists" while figuring some bread and circuses distraction/ celeb has earned their money.

>>133800760
I hope you stay jealous and bitter about the people who are more successful than you for the rest of your cucked life.

>>133813012
http://spcsudbury.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Living-Wage.pdf
Please do tell how you can live on an income of 22k per year with a family. You'r 13k cost of living is probably per person, not per family. Completely irrelevant to the conversation


>>133814192
> There are numerous examples throughout history where small companies not of one person working in the basement have beaten major conglomerates. You're just a faggot riddled with defeatism which is fine just don't bitch about it.
It's good to know that some exceptions are now the norm. Like I said, if you think that a father of a family can simply "build" a company from scratch, then you're a moron

>examples throughout history where small companies not of one person
Please, tell me how a person with no connections what so ever is gonna find a couple of friends to build the next google. Like I said, you need connections. You cannot pay coders 30$ an hour to work on your little art project. Even small companies are hard to start, and that is assuming you can get loans from banks, do not have any responsabilities and so on....

I am currently at my final year in densistry, please tell me how i'm a faggot riddled with defeatism. I am probably gonna make more money than you will, but please do tell about how anyone can just make it to the top, earning billions. You even said it yourself, your parents were doctors, he has something like 10 million. I didn't get even 1% of that. The so called "build your own comapny, you can become a billionaire", is simply nearly impossible for most people, no matter the hard work they put in. it requires capital, connetions and know how, things that don't just appear out of nowhere. You need to be born in it, or be very lucky, to get it.

Many other people have been working harder and smarter and they got no where near close to them. Either way, I'm done. If you believe that hard work will get you billions, then go back to your fairyland.

>>133813570
What the fuck is luck, like I get what you're trying to say but it's more relevant about how hard they work and if they're trying to actually move towards something productive say for example today computer sciences rather than art history. But in terms of luck, you're lucky that you don't run into a suicide bomberl, c you're lucky you don't get struck by lightning and, you are lucky that you were born with some horrible deformity etc. are we really going to cling onto this bullshit vagaries known as luck it so unproductive

The most disgusting speech I have ever witnessed was when Obama went on about attempting to mark the people who talk about being "self-made" and then he goes on about what about the people that made the road that you drove on all those years, and his stupid Marxist followers just loved it.

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>>133814701
>http://www.fa-mag.com/news/most-millionaires-self-made--study-says-14565.html
>https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/269593
Bingo>>133814565
Bingo

>Tax rich
>Rich leave 'merica, (see french taxes)
>Capitalism crumbles in 'merica

Mark Cuban: Make a boatload of money. Pay your taxes. Lots of taxes.

http://blogmaverick.com/2011/09/19/the-most-patriotic-thing-you-can-do-2/

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>>133814717
>don't do it

>>133814972
>Ha ha, you cuck, where is the dick in your mouth? I got a big juicy one up in here, unlike you cucks

>>133807094
This. Just make them three really really nice rooms, and that's all I need.

Bought a house recently. I could have afforded a lot more than I got, but it's just for me, and there's no point having all that space when most of it will never be lived in. Hell, as it is, I don't use my living room and finished basement much.

>>133800760
Worker harder and work smarter.

>>133814436
>and invest your salary into the company
Investing won't get you billions. Besides, as far as investing goes, I'd rather invest it at the casino, at the very least, I'm getting some enjoyment out of it if I lose my money. It is also once again, not an option for most people.

>but basically your whining because you won't be a billionaire like fuck off
Not whining about billionaires, I'm whining about retards who somehow think that hard work will make you a billionaire. Why the fuck are you even trying to defend them. It's not like if they give you jack shit in return. The people who produces the goods and manage it (low level managers) make up of 99.9% of the company.

Somehow the ceo needs to get his billions because having a meeting with the board over a 5k diner is somehow too much work.

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>>133814701
Inheriting daddies money and using a little of it to pay investors to keep me wealthy is surely the result of a biological trait and not a result of the rate of return on capital being greater than the rate of economic growth over the long term

It's literally just ROI beating productiving based income, and libertarians cuck themselves because they won't allow the state to stop Chad from fucking their Ancap asses

>>133815028
> Oh look a satirical picture mocking the system ironically made by some bum that probably didn't even go to school or worse if he did went for art and instead of doing something actually productive and financially worthwhile he sat around to draw stupid pictures

Wow makes me think

get a job. get a book about money management. if you are poor forever and not some monk or something it is your fault. deal with old people, the poor ones are usually insufferably stupid and by-and-large have earned their lot in life.

>>133807337
Anyone can become a millionaire if they invest early enough and learn to leverage their time. Most poor people waste the $200 a month they could have invested

>>133805545
Paleo-con here. You're still a pussy ass bitch living in a country founded to protect opportunity, not to sacrifice opportunity for equality.

Thus your entire worldview is a blind utopian fucking shillfest, but part of that shillfest is that they can't take real wealth so people with assets and positions are all fine and you're still a fucked little bitch whining about his predicament.

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My father is a self-employed stone mason, and thank God for the rich. Poor fags don't put sone on their houses.

>>133810969
My CEO flies to different companies acting like a dancing monkey to grow our business. He is out of the state weeks at a time which I assume is physically and mentally taxing.

>>133814986
>ou cannot pay coders 30$ an hour to work on your little art project
the guy that invented whatsapp paid like $1/hr lol

ishman found a Russian developer on RentACoder.com, Igor Solomennikov, and introduced him to Koum. Koum named the app "WhatsApp" to sound like "what's up".

>>133800760
The rich know what to make people do, that's why they're rich. Manual and office labour is called labour because both labourers and office workers are expendable, and always will be. Capitalism is a centerpiece to a functional modern day society. Sadly, capitalism is dying, being replaced by crony capitalism (which is basically corruption fuelled capitalism, which most of you dumb fucks mistake with actual capitalism)

>>133815320
Paleocon here.

You could never own a business. If you can't understand the various nature of the complicated problems presented to the entrepreneur, it's probably because you've either always been an employee (possibly wrong personality type) or you failed the fuck out of the business world.

So which one is it?

Cheers.

>>133815826
>He is out of the state weeks at a time which I assume is physically and mentally taxing.
Please do tell me how meeting people is physically and mentally taxing

Please do tell me how him moving around is more important than the people developping the product. His job seems pretty useless if he got nothing to sell. Guess who comes up with that part... the employees. There is no excuse for CEOs salaries. If all he does is go around as a salesman trying to get people to buy his shit, he's literally glorified apple genius bar hipsters, minus the computer knowledge.

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>>133815010
luck is exactly that, a stat that applies everywhere, for example, being able to knock our your competitors who are on a level playng field as you and come out as a tycoon in the respective field

i think the word gets thrown around more than i actually think it is worth

hardwork comes first, then connections, then luck

>>133815266
Ummmm well vast majority of the time the people that make the most out of these big companies for example Microsoft tend to be the people that built the fucking company. So yeah when I go and buy a PC I should be pretty thankful to Bill Gates, dyeah I gave them $2000 but I'd rather give them that then keeping the money and not have the option of a good computer.

Hardwork can definitely make you a millionaire, but you also have to not be an idiot and not spend your money on stupid shit for example if you make $50,000 a year don't have a fucking kid, don't buy cigarettes, don't buy alcohol, only by the accentual's any excess that you have invest it in a tax-free savings account or a mutual fund or ETF… Or do your research and trade equities. I know a pharmacist who makes more money day trading. I suffered a spinal cord injury, so I researched companies that are working on curing spinal cord injury A company called had a pretty successful phase 1 trial for acute injuries it's stock went from $.50 to 14.50 over a few months, once all the excitement wore off the stock massively dropped I believe it's back down to one dollar a share or maybe a little better, but I turned $10,000 to 200,000 almost instantly, it wasn't a gamble the scaffolding they implanted made a monkey with a completely severed spinal cord walk, as soon as they treated their first patient I bought in, once the kids started posting about good results on his social media the stock exploded even more and then when it dropped down to $12 I sold it done.

Have fun gambling. Btw I have an associate that worked at a juvenile detention center, he did a lot of reading about online poker now he makes $200,000-$300,000 playing online poker he's sponsored by poker stars or whatever it's called

>>133800760
They're not obligated to you, nor are you forced to work for them. Lower taxes means more jobs. Why are they going to bend backwards when they took an enormous risk to where they are at? No one owes you shit.

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>>133815412
you live as a frugal millionaire thinking you beat the system while ((they)) make trillions with a phone call

>>133816240
But there's no quantitive measurement to attribute such a thing to luck. What if you just made a better product, what if you were cutthroat and hired a private investigator to get dirt on them or to get information on their progress etc. thinking ahead of them

>>133800760

Poorfag! Can you do 3 things?

Finish high school, get a job, and wait til 21+ to get married and have kids.

Autists here also tend to fair better without mental illnesses (inc drug addictions, crippling anxiety, imposters' syndrome, etc).

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

>>133816240
Luck is irrelevant.

Being the correct personality, someone who isn't afraid to make a product and put their shit out there and PUSH that shit-- they do not rely on luck. They also rarely rely on brains.

90% of the equation is execution.

But it's great to make a bawww but im not lazy argument on a site dedicated to wasting time.

If this is your business decision-making process, you're fucked.

>>133816507
Im sorry that being a millionaire isn't enough for you faggot. I guess someone has to destroy the sandcastles out of pettiness

>>133816596
so what if there's no quantitative value to something, it doesnt mean it doesnt exist if you cant measure it

>>133816507
That's just it, that's the main problem whiny little bitches having a complex about not being a billionaire… It's preposterous.

Every millionnaire I know works extremely hard, went to a proper school, got a proper education, didn't have kids till they were in their 30s for most of their life were often referred to as "cheap" because they valued every dime, avoided any bad degenerate habits, settled into a community and learned about it's inner workings and made friends as they grew up, only associated with people actually trying to accomplish something in life. Luck had nothing to do with it.

None of them are billionaires, but most of them have a business, a significant investment portfolio, a main property as well as a cottage, At least two vehicles. If they want to boat they get a boat etc. LivingWell and now they are not very cheap, however they're also not idiots with their money

>>133816812
I despise people like that guy. Dbut let's be real a person with that mentality definitely is not even a millionaire. Millionaires are quite happy with their financial situation

>>133816808
if by irrelevant you mean if its something beyond your control then sure

you alwalys need to work hard, thats the foundation, no question

but ignoring things like deep connections and luck like they dont exist is pretending

>>133815117
Yet it's funny how France has a lower deficit and lower debt to GDP than the US

>>133816931
It certainly means that it has no provable tangible meaning.

People who say the wealthy just got lucky, are better self hating resentful degenerates… Ironically they make the alcohol companies quite a bit richer.

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>>133800760
Im not a cuck, they organize for reduced wages I organize for higher taxes on the rich, 60% non deductwble on those 1 million income and up with the proceeds going to fund more autonomous workers communities by building industries, services, and such that are state owned.

50% of Americans make less than 30k 80% make less than 100k.

>>133817260
Connections aren't luck. Deep connections are formed through prospecting, networking, sales, and general charisma.

Luck is again, irrelevant. The people who inherit money generally do not inherit the intelligence or the skillset with which to manage that money.

Which is why you see so many used sports cars with low mileage, and why lottery winners never keep a fucking penny of their winnings.

You wouldn't know the complications of running a business without running one; and if you do, prepare to be waterboarded by life for a while until you're successful.

>>133816367
>have to not be an idiot and not spend your money on stupid shit
Got it, don't have kids, don't have fun, maybe when you reach a 100 years old and can no longer walk or have an erection, perhaps then it would be a good time to go on vacation with all the wealth you've saved.

You cannot save 100% of your money. It has to go toward rent, food, clothes, transport and also things that might not be absolutely necessary such as leisure. Expecting someone to go around and act like a robot is not only stupid, but also won't do much to change anything. The extra money you're squeezing out of your sanity ain't gonna take you far, and probably will take you back, by driving you crazy.

No one wants to miss out on life and be miserable just to save a few pennies.

>A company called had a pretty successful phase 1 trial for acute injuries it's stock went from $.50 to 14.50 over a few months, once all the excitement wore off the stock massively dropped I believe it's back down to one dollar a share or maybe a little better, but I turned $10,000 to 200,000 almost instantly
Once again, If I were to gamble on whether a stock market would go up or down, I'd go to the casino and play poker. At the very list, I can control my losses a lot better, and enjoy the game on top of it. Not everyone can risk 10 grand, especially not the people living paycheck to paycheck. And the worst part about this is that trading fees apply to any transaction, therefore you'd need a miracle to hit something like you did, to go from 10k to 200k. You cannot bet on a 1 cent hike, when the fees to buy/sell are twice that.

>>133800760
OP is dumb. Doesn't he realize a man as intelligent, sophisticated and charismatic as I am, is guaranteed to become a millionaire, no a billionaire in the future. Why would I want to heavier taxes on my future trade empire?

>>133800760
>capitalist cucks on here will say "the rich work harder,


Never heard that one before. Obvious attempt to set up a strawman.

>>133817442
Go out in the streets and FIGHT FOR YOUR INTERESTS.

If the 150 million Americans who make less than 30k organized themselves in protest and all went to the streets you will see that the comfort of their power and exploitation of the misery of 150 million will be heard loud and clear.

>>133817442
Who gives a fuck if 50% make less than 30k?

70 million of 80 million songs on the internet aren't downloaded one fucking time. All the billions in music sales? That's the other 10 million songs-- they get all the wealth.

Pareto's law.

Adapt or be automated.

>>133817056
you can be a millionaire and also have ambition to make more

the billionaires in the world who made it, made it by not being satisfied with what they have and not taking sides with you

>>133817295
no, work hard regardless, unironically

>>133817639
If you were coachable, willing, and had a decent product to fucking sell you can be a millionaire.

I sell homes. Fucking people have gotten there selling Cutco Knives and ADT security services.

It isn't hard, you just aren't willing.

Go ahead and automate, we will not stop fighting for our interests and rights and if we need to create our own industries and services we shall.

>>133817538
Oh the cuckery.

I work 20hrs a week doing sales and make a consistant $85,000/yr. On the side of that, I also work maybe another 15hrs a week renovating an apartment building which I traded my house for (willing to live in squalor while I fix apts) will net me $50k/yr.

That's how you get rich, you try different shit until it works. If you can't be dynamic and put yourself into different roles, you will never find the one you are best at and the highest $/hr activity.

>>133818041
If you're against automation, these scripts on this website have fucked your printing press; unplug computer and move to Amishland I guess.

>>133817520
really, it depends on the level of deep we are talking about ex. rothschilds

elite education equates the necessary intelligence

ITT: People who have not read silent weapons for quiet wars.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/silent_weapons_quiet_wars.htm

>>133817520
btw the level of intelligence to maintain the money is less than the hardship it takes to make the fortune from scratch regardless

>>133800760
>rise tax on rich
>rich doesnt care why you did they just know if they go and settle in another country they pay less taxes
>doesnt care to move and make papers becouse they are rich and know how this shit works
>you rise 20% taxes on rich but suddently there is less than 50% of rich people paying taxes than before you rise the taxes
>now your income is considerably lower

This is why you cannot tax the rich they move to a fiscal paradise (in my case andorra or gibraltar) got "citienship" there (they are rich) so now they pay lower taxes again

>>133818210
forgot trip

>>133814986
Will see that is part of not fucking up! If you have a family and you make less than 50 grand a year you're a moron, why did you not wear a condom, why did you sleep with the ratchet slut if it was a girlfriend why did you not wear a condom and have her on the pill!

> muh does not feel as good

Well if you are just a helpless victim to primal desires and 10 minute of hire pleasure, then you fucked yourself… Mine as well spend some of your paycheque on cigarettes and alcohol too.

1. Don't have kids until you are mature and financially stable!
2. Save your money, only by the essentials and live cheap, live in a shit hole apartment as you build your wealth, ride a bike or walk when plausible etc put anything extra into tax-free savings accounts, mutual funds ETFs.
3. , leave a community if it is obviously dwindling (fuck sentimental nostalgia)
4. Nest your self in a affordable community that is doing well, associate with people that are trying to do something for themselves, disassociate yourself with any kind of lowlife; make connections.
4. Exercise, eat healthy on a budget, read practice productive hobbies with your "extra/free time"
5. Go to a good school, and into a proper program that will lead to actual financially robust industries, One that is difficult prime example computer sciences so the losers dropped out and bust your ass to make sure you're not one of them.

You will flourish if you do all this;.

Your remarks about how kind of father who makes just over $20,000 a year start a business, well first off you fucked up majorly being a father with such low income… Reap what you sow

>>133818140
>
False. Education is a bubble and has already been proven overrated and mostly a waste of $$-- most degrees aren't worth their price, especially not when you can do the same sales I do here with a HS diploma.

>>133818041
We prefer freedom then indentured servitude at the will of master, we must organize and fight for our rights of the 150,000,000 m, they use us in their armies to die, we say no.

Let thosr profiteers fight those wars, wevdo not serve, we are not subservient, we dont serve others interests, and we WILL build s better society for we the people.

We shall abolish rent, we shall nationalize workers and a state building company for the housing of the people.
We shall enforce an economic council estabkishibg the wages if all the people according to fairness and not the savegery of the power the employer has over tge employee, the state will create a state company for the cobstructions of buildinfs for services of tge people and industries for the goods of the people.

We will carry out these reforms.

>>133818053
....sales of what

>>133818251
And how do they make tgeir money?
From workers.
I make it illegal for that rich person to employ people, what does he have?

>>133800760
I am curious, do capitalists believe that the free market will be able to solve safety issues? Unions and labor laws didn't appear for no reason, no?
>>133817879
I tried door to door sales, and I did okay, but it made me realize that I am fucking terrible with people and I felt awful about myself, so I quit.
How can I in2people?
> inb4 How to Win Friends and Influence People meme
I've tried (kind of) and it seems that I just do not care about other people, and have no idea how one would go about changing that kind of personality flaw.
I'm high in trait openness,
moderate-high in trait conscientiousness,
low in trait extroversion,
moderate in trait agreeableness and
low-moderate in trait neuroticism, with a tested IQ of >130
I'm trying to sort myself out, but I don't know what I want. For a long time I wanted to die, so asking myself that question was not so good. Sometimes I still want that. I thought I wanted to live a Christian life with a Christian wife, but I lost my faith. Then I thought I wanted to be a revolutionary, but I lost my faith in that too. Now I'm working a construction job, trying to undo the knots in my soul.

>rip people off x dodging tax = get rich...simple

you commie, how do you think they became rich? they did it by working their asses off to get to that position, if you want to go fluff off your anti-capitallist rhetoric, please go to a gulag, they'll love you there.

>>133818571
I sell real estate.

Pharma or software would also be good options, esp in terms of possible salary or benefits to ease a person transitioning from "i do what I'm told" to "I eat what I kill".

Otherwise, real estate is the biggest and oldest school of poor man's wealth.

At the end of the day, you have to try as much shit and fuck it up as quickly and as young as you can. Transitioning into self-employment later on in life is harder with more familial commitments and less youthful drive to get the fuck out there and find a kill.

>>133817538
9.99$ Per trade, and it wasn't a gamble the company developed a product that was able to make a monkey walk again after a nearly fully cut spinal cord… I did the due diligence and research to know about this stuff, it was guaranteed to show at least modest improvements in humans all I needed to wait for was the first human patient it was a certainty.

Then go to the nightclub, go play blackjack, buy cigarettes, hire hookers, get a girlfriend that expects you to buy things and take her on A date night once a week, have kids when you make less than $50,000 a year, don't get a cheap gym membership or just use bodyweight exercises and read books, instead save up your paycheques and blow it on a vacation, instead of being single for five years well you educate and better yourself and live in a cheap basement apartment rather than having a nagging girlfriend and having to get a condo or worse rent a house like a moron whatever. Do all these things but don't bitch about the wealthy people that did the opposite and lived a more strict and responsible lifestyle.

>>133818465
>elite education

thinking personally groomed by veteran econimists is the same as joe schmuck who went to a good public uni

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meh, here's what i would do as a benevolent dictator

>raise taxes
>allocate 50% of revenue towards R&D of new medicine, automation, and improving/upgrading existing technologies (i.e better batteries, quantum computing, better engines, high strength/low weight materials, better fission reactors)
>if find new technology, government patents it, and sets up private enterprise to run it
>take whatever property needed to achieve above
>abolish unions, public sector included - everyone will be held accountable to their competency
>invest 20% on infrastructure that bolsters production such as highways, pipeline, electrical grid, and public transit
>10% on military
>20% on social welfare, including subsidized healthcare for low-income individuals
>welfare will be simplified to blank cheques - no food stamp fuckery. Automatically gets sent to any citizen whose income is below or within a certain range.
>cut all corporate subsidies of any kind, tariffs, and industry specific taxes like the carbon tax
>tax businesses on revenue after COGS - no more inflating expenses or paying ridiculous salaries to the board so the net income available to shareholders become 1/10 of the CEO's salary; this includes small businesses because they do the exact same fuckery if not worse ("pay" their family member a salary who does nothing)
>grossly simply the tax code - no deductions, no credits - flat progressive tax brackets
>no tolerance for crime - murders, rapists, child molesters, and drug dealers will be executed swiftly. Due process allowed but no public trials (no jury).
>number of people to administer districts for me (provinces, cities) will be at my behest and limited in size (1 politician for every 10,000 people).

I'll drag every low-IQ proletariat to the promised land of the future.

>>133818898
fuck, i did the green text backwards, the top is black, bottom is green

>>133818264
>1. Don't have kids until you are mature and financially stable!
>2. Save your money, only by the essentials and live cheap, live in a shit hole apartment as you build your wealth, ride a bike or walk when plausible etc put anything extra into tax-free savings accounts, mutual funds ETFs.
>3. , leave a community if it is obviously dwindling (fuck sentimental nostalgia)
>4. Nest your self in a affordable community that is doing well, associate with people that are trying to do something for themselves, disassociate yourself with any kind of lowlife; make connections.
>4. Exercise, eat healthy on a budget, read practice productive hobbies with your "extra/free time"
>5. Go to a good school, and into a proper program that will lead to actual financially robust industries, One that is difficult prime example computer sciences so the losers dropped out and bust your ass to make sure you're not one of them.


proof any of this works? ive done all this shit and im still a loser and broke as fuck.

>>133818673
The rich didnt provide the service, tge workers provided the service this you would thibk the workers would be well off but no, the parasite king gets vassals tonprovide services gather money and enriches himself.

If we banned trade with exploiters and formed a peoples community ehat do tgey lose?
150 million peoples services and productions.

>>133818811
please answer >>133818686

>>133818525
Sounds like Lenin, Stalinl, Mao, Pol Pot, x Chavez, Castro etc. yeah that worked out for the "people"

Life of servitude as you call it, only if you completely fuck up numerous times, if you constantly live a strict and responsible lifestyle eventually you will be A boss or your own boss of your own company well being very financially stable. It's not that hard for people that can control themselves.

>be Jew
>get % free business loan from Jew bank
>employ illegal beaners half the normal wage
>profit

>>133818686
Find someone in the industry who has built themselves off aggressive prospecting; door2door, cold calling, or some other form of in-person handshaking-- many of the agents in our business got to where they were by sitting there and sending postcards. Nothing to learn from them.

Your mentor should have an idea of how many calls and how many knocks to get a lead, and how many leads will get you a listing, and how many listings will get you a sale. By doing the math, as long as you don't smile and show up, the rest will come naturally.

I would have also given up, had I had the option.. But being a narcofelon, employment applications are not an option, unless I am distinguished to the point of overlooking my record.

I am also high in openness, very disagreeable, and very introverted. 126IQ. I would put the biggest hitters in my field, the bill board agent types-- more like 100IQ. Your intelligence goes against you in this- routine and execution trump talent and intelligence.

Dice rolls.

>>133818991
We dont need employment by the capitalists, we dont need anything from them.
We will fight for our rights.

>>133818844 (heiled)
I agree anon. I plan to spin the first year or two of my career life working and paying down my debt I'm going to school law school that is so it's a massive amount of debt but I live in a good area for jobs. I can live in home for 2 years pay off all my debt and then after that start a life. I'll start doing investments when I'm done with the bar and have a job as well.

The rich are rich because they're willing to work now and have fun later. Their children simply reap what their parents have some that is why many of their children are useless but their parents and grandparents who shed Blood Sweat and Tears deserve their wealth.

>>133818923
scratch that, no subsidize healthcare.
Welfare recipient may use their cheque to buy insurance or die on the streets. Health insurance will be entirely private, just like car and house insurance. No crown corps (my R&D teams won't sell anything to public).

>>133819323
Get rid of that flag you filthy capitalist cuck

>>133808847
They pay 40% of the income they declare, which is usually fucking nothing after its been invoiced through a subsidiary shelf company they own in the cayman islands.
Taxes are for poor people, wealthy people don't pay tax on the same scale you and i do, tax brackets exist for their level of income, but they never apply.

>>133819202
I appreciate you taking the time to reply, but I'm not looking to get into the real estate business, I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to get to where I want to be, living /comfy/ in my solar powered megayacht with a personal library and botanical garden.

My problem is that that level of wealth is only achievable by being good with people, and I'm not sure that I want wealth badly enough to learn how to change. Doing cold calling door to door more or less convinced me that I am awful with people, and I don't know how to change that

>>133801869

they leech more from society and a finite money supply so they should be taxed more to keep the economic wheels moving

>>133818983
That's impossible, clearly you didn't save your money what school did you go to and what program did you enter?

I'm hoping you are rather young in your early- mid 20s did you just rent A simple bedroom apartment that is extremely cheap, no landline just cell phone no TV well you work on your education.

I I can't pander to a lack of self-esteem if that's a factor, that something we can't take into the equation.

My stepfather did everything I stated, as did his brother they were both MDs by the age of 26 graduated from UFT one of the top medical Schools in Canada. They both skiped multiple grades. And joined together and started their own practice at 27.

They are both millionaires but would pick up a penny if they saw it on the ground. However they both have beautiful homes and top-of-the-line vehicles. They also invested their money at a young age and never touch it and reinvest most if not all of the dividends to compound interest exponentially

>>133819463
You can be an introvert, and gain extroverted skills by placing yourself outside of your comfort zone, trying different things, and taking notes. Introverts do particularly well in sales because they have skills in other categories to complement the basic sales skills-- knowing your numbers, understanding how things work mechanically or transactionally or legally all help too.

It's the same as dating. Everyone is nervous at first, but the ones who do it often recognize patterns and what works and what doesn't-- they're using a base routine or script, knowing some things that most women find funny, etc, and working from there.

None of us like dating, either.

Pussy and commissions.

>>133819408
Even the National Socialist believed in private ownership. They just believed that business owners should care about their nation above it.

Businesses and the worker came together under Hitler, you should read Mein Kampf and look at the economics of Germany under Hitler.

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>>133802980
this is the poor working hard for $15/hr

>>133819408
If workers took away all a riches money he would be working minimum wage under workers.

In a society free from exploitation, real estate in the state it exists on the dehousing and msking as much people not have estates as possible woild not exist, we do not tolerate any unearned income only income that was worked to produce.

https://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=2oafie7mo#/watch?v=uBxvdkpV8Z0

We believe in a united community of all interests united not the priviliged ability yo exploit and cause misery to the non.

>>133819323
Exactly well done much respect! Don't fall in to the trap of college partying especially at bars, if you do it make it a rarity and try and swindle alcohol be a fucking Jew well not being actually Jewish.

>>133819463
In the end, the answer isn't what you'll want to hear.

The only way to l2people is to suck ass w/ people. Over and over and over and over and over until you know the 4 or 5 things they'll say, and the 4 or 5 things that you'll say back every single time.

It's work, but all works sucks, so I'd rather be paid a ~$5k/avg commission for ~20hrs of work, and have the benefit of answering to no one but myself (even if I'm not the best manager of myself - fuck it I'm on 4chan)

>>133819777
Private ownership of peoples property of work and earned not capitalist ownership of all that exists based on rank and unearned income.

>>133819848
Youtube link didn't work.

No unearned income??
No royalties? No arts.
No patents? No inventions.
No equity? No incentive to maintain.

What are you going to give the society instead of all of these things-- a moral argument that they're promoting the "common good" by letting the unintelligent destroy all culture, arts, and innovation?

Sounds like a neandertal shitstate to me.

>>133819880
Whoops, I meant I just graduated.** but I just studied while so many partied and I'd think how much money they're wasting.

My roommates and I did not even have cable for the year that we all lived together. We just hooked up my Xbox and then used Netflix in the living room and we would just pay for internet with no landline for telephone.

And we also went shopping in bulk at stores like Sam's Club and Costco. Three grown men could eat meat and vegetables for dinner and have a breakfast five to six days a week on $60 / man and that would last us anywhere from 2 to 2.5 months and it would only cost us about $200-250 bucks.

One of my roommates would also open up all of our meat packages and then repack it and smaller packages dathan and we'd freeze it all with red meat and chicken.

>>133819768
Thank you. Can you give any advice on making peace with society? I don't know how to move forward from my resentment and disillusionment of my ongoing youth, and I am afraid that I have lost any will to improve my situation. I seem to alternate between wanting to die, and wanting everyone else to die. I got a vasectomy in a (protracted) fit of rage towards life, and haven't been in a serious relationship for probably ~3 years due to my distrust of women, so my motivations for busting my ass have been reduced to a vague but growing sense that I could be doing more with my life.