Syria General /sg/ - Late Night Edition

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ASSAD WILL WIN

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Houthis provoked this damage to Saudi filth

Syria is white and based

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If someone finds it useful for counter-terrorism purposes:
>This post constitutes a continuation of the previous posts that comprise the archive of Islamic State administrative documents (cf. here and here) and cannot be expanded further owing to technical issues. Thus, this post begins with Specimen 23A, constituting the 599th specimen in the archives.
http://www.aymennjawad.org/2016/09/archive-of-islamic-state-administrative-documents-2

Night folks, Suknah soon

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>>133788352

>>133788883
Hurr

>>133789218
D

The pentagon is saying again that al baghdadi is not dead

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>>133789740

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>>133789303
U

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>>133789740
i guess his own comrades should know best

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>>133789936
R

>>133788332

How are Houthis such seasoned fighters and the KSA army is not? Theyve both been fighting roughly the same amount of time and this isn't reall a clear cit case of asymetric warfare.

I suppose it could be the Houthis are fighting for their homelands while the KSA army is fighting for the benefit of their royality. Is it just the ground level troops arent invested enough in the outcome of the fight to do what it takes to win?

So Damascus is almost clear of FSA? Looks like this civil war is nearly over, and we're gonna win.

>>133790426
>I suppose it could be the Houthis are fighting for their homelands while the KSA army is fighting for the benefit of their royality.
This, saudis do not have motivation to fight, they also have an historial of getting BTFO before

>>133790472
Since FSA Lost Aleppo, it is clear that SAA Will win, doesn't matter how much Israel tries to help their proxies, they are fucked

>>133790472
>we
Reality check: 'We' did nothing. They (the Syrians) did everything, and all we did is watch and cheer them on.
Now, to answer the question: Damascus is almost clear, but there are still a few areas to clear out.
>Eastern Ghouta is the biggest pocket and a quarter of it is urban area
>The South Damascus pocket(s) is entirely urban, and split between ISIS and Nusra.

>>133790726
Yeah, only real concern at this point is how will SDF act after ISIL and FSA are gone. Retaking Idlib might be a bloody one.

>>133790729
I understand that. It's like cheering for a sports team in that sense. Didn't notice ISIL was still in Damascus; took quite a bit of magnifying to see that.

>>133790604

I'd be interested to see their military culture. Its probably all about shiny kit and physical training with no attention on the mentality of the soldiers or the psychology of motivating them to fight. Their leadership would be shithouse.

European armys between 1600-1900 were only ever fighting for imperialism and their leadership still knew they had to get soldiers mentally invested in the outcome.

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current mood

>>133791136
are Egyptians black?

>>133788332
>Jews are proud of "winning" over this while completely outgunning them with superior Western arms provided by Western kikes and commies

>>133790426
Its not just houthis, much of the republican guard stayed loyal to saleh and is fighting alongside them

>>133791196
WE

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>>133790472
>He thinks its over
Burger you already know how this goes you defeat them in the conventional war and then you spend 2 decades running after goatherders in the mountains

>>133790472
The Damascus pocket isn't too big, but it's urban, so the gains are pretty slow and limited to single building blocks and such right now. But it's eventually gonna go over to the SAA

>>133791196
modern day egyptians are definitely niggers, at least mentally

>>133790426
Houthis:
>Fight in the righteous way of god and for your country's honor
Saudi-es:
>Die for a retarded faggot who thinks he owns the world

Good night, if you I don't post in the future, then you know what happend to me

>>133790947
The only concern that i have is about the kurdshits occupying northern Syria
>>133791006
I Guess they receive camels as sex toys

>>133791412
You should probably obscure your identity a bit, Saudis probably got chink tier internet monitoring

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>>133791412
Good night Redpilled Arabian!
>Captcha: Berger Army

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>>133791345
How did Egypt become the shitshow it is today
Where did it go wrong

>>133791650
Arab Invasion and Islam. Yes. I know.

>>133791345
Don't you get angry when blacks in the United states steal your history and culture???

>>133791650
low IQ peasants breeding like rabbits. EUGENICS NOW!

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>>133790092
R

>>133790426
>>133791246
Given the fighting is all in Greater Yemen and Northern Yemen at the moment, it's also likely there's a massive amount of traitors (to the KSA anyway) in the Saudi military.

>>133791847
smdh niggers be stealing erythang and sheeit

>>133791955
Yeah i also get angry when blacks steal our history, they are also claiming they were olmecs n shit

>>133791650
Hello animeposter Moroccan!

>>133792073
waht

>>133790426
There's also the terrain to consider
>The Houthi-controlled parts of Yemen is almost entirely mountain terrain, which makes ambushes easier to pull off, and chokepoints are more prevalent, which makes a large scale advance much more difficult, as the Houthis can set an IED, blow up the lead vehicle in a Saudi convoy, and halt the advance with one destroyed vehicle as the Houthis pick off the rest.

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>>133792073
WE

>>133792571
Search about how the olmecs were in fact blacks

>Global Hawk #UAV #drone airborne from NAS Sigonella...
https://twitter.com/CivMilAir/status/886389699430019073
Time to load up the s-400!

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>>133791878
Nasser shoulda castrated all peasants instead of fucking around with Syria in the UAR

>>133792313
Hi ebin

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my pic

>>133792593

Yeah but when Western militarties conduct these counter-insurgency ops with the same sort of disadvantages disasters like this are not nearly as regular. There is more to it than terrain.

>>133791650
>>133791807
According to an Iraqi i know he said Egypt was a Shiite nation at one point in distant history and they still share a number of Shiite holidays and traditions
How accurate is this?

>>133790426

Because the KSA army is essentially just a gold-plated peasant militia. They might have a shit load of shiny new Western hardware and equipment but it doesn't improve the base quality of the actual soldiers themselves. Most of them are just rural peasants and the unemployed who've been drafted in to fight for the kingdom and given a bunch of high-end Western equipment to paper over their obvious shortcomings as individual soldiers. Even with Western-quality training or advisers in the process they're never going to be that great in quality or overall fitness and ability because unlike Western armies and others in more developed nations they're not volunteers picked on merit or physical ability/quality. Essentially they're just going to want to do whatever it takes to survive in an overseas deployment, they don't give a shit about the outcome or why they're fighting. While the KSA officer corp with professional volunteers, experienced senior tribal fighters, nobility and members of the royal family is probably good by regional standards, it’ll never make up for having poor regular personnel.

Houthis on the other hand give a shit about what they're fighting for, they want independence are willing to die for it. Not to mention a lot of them are as >>133791246 said, ex-Republican Guard so they're formed up of some of the best personnel of the pre-war Yemeni army and can be extremely useful in training new recruits and raise the quality of any militia fighters they train and share expertise with. They're succeeding for the same reason most revolts led by military elites/Praetorian Guard-like formations tend to succeed because they have the superior expertise, equipment and experience to feed that on quickly to other militants on their side.

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I kinda miss de la maghrebois when i see pics like this

>>133791345

...so they are KANGZ after all then?

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Where are the gains?

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You does /sg/ feel about this display?

>>133790426
Yemen is Vietnam on steroids. They have the 2nd highest gun ownership in the world (only trail the burgers) and their whole history and society (unironically read Yemeni military history, they have been at a constant state of war since like 3500 BC) is based on warfare, and tribes numbering in hundreds of thousands have blood vows to die together.

KSA know if they ever invade Yemen fully they would get wrecked, so they only pick and choose where they attack and rely heavily on airstrikes that dont change the situation on the ground. If the day came and they did a full-on invasion, they would be fighting over a million gunmen in the huge mountainous and treacherous terrain of Yemen. Also, Saleh/Houth had six (6!) wars against each other when Saleh was in power and are now allies, so their side is literally all raised in wars and fighting. The pro-KSA militias are mostly Brotherhood cucks who have zero battle experience.

To put in Game of Thrones terms for the Burgers, Houthis are Starks and Saleh are Baratheons, while the pro-KSA side are one of the faggoty wealthy Houses like the Tyrells who only have military superiority because of numbers and wealth, and have zero notion of what a warrior culture is

>>133793497
no feeling one way or the other
it doesnt involve burger foreign policy so it's all good

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>>133792853
The fatimids? Yeah, they pretty much built Cairo and made it the capital of their caliphate

Mawlid Al Nabaoui (birth of Ali) is celebrated in pretty much every muslim country except Saudi Arabia and Qatar, while Ashura (death of Ali) is celebrated in some, including most shiite countries but also Turkey, Pakistan, and India
Ashura is celebrated in Morocco but it is a purely folk tradition and is not associated with the shia-sunni divide/conflict or even religion
Here, people exchange pastries, fruits, and children are given money + fireworks

Ashura is also called zamzam day and you have to be careful because everywhere kids and young people are shooting water at EVERYONE in the streets either with bottles or with water balloons, which turn into large-scale water battles in some places

>>133793497
>displaying a flag in this manner is "a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property"
The kike is doing it for the wrong reason though, throw a brick through the windshield or key the car.

>>133793868
mawlid alnabawi is the birthday of Mohammed. Ashoura is the death of Hussein, son of Ali.

Are you even a muslim or are you a jew larping with a VPN?

>>133793868
Allah must hate Morocco then.
>To use more than what is necessary is termed israaf. Regarding israaf, Allah declares: “… eat and drink but waste not by extravagance, certainly He (Allah) likes not Al-Musrifun (those who waste by extravagance).” (7:31)

>>133793497
oh fugg didnt see the flag was flipped
so he mad?

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>>133794097
That was a genuine mistake/typo for mawlid al nabaoui (meant to type Muhammad), but I always thought it was Ali for Ashoura. Interesting.

>Are you even a muslim or are you a jew larping with a VPN?
Not even muslim, actually.

>>133791006
>I'd be interested to see their military culture.

I have. They are useless. They don't train seriously and like most sand niggers bitterly resent being professional. Of course they aren't motivated because most Saudi troops are TCNs, not Saudis. KSA is rich, lazy and I can't imagine a more slaughterworthy bunch. I've deployed there, UAE, Qatar, and Kuwait.

The Houthis have easy pickings and much greater motivation!

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>Page 5
Maybe this lewd Megumin will spice things up

>>133794225
Ashoura was the day Hussein, son of Ali and Fatima, grandson of Muhammed stood in battle in Karbala and fought to the death with an army of 72 faithful followers against an army of 30000 Umayyads. This battle is a watershed moment, and a sore point of contention to this day between Shiites and Sunnnis (all those iranian-backed militias use alot of Karbala-related themes and imagery in their propaganda)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karbala

>>133793497
I think they're an attention seeking retard with shit choices in cars (GM LS engine and Corvette/Camaro is much better)
>>133793880
Equally childish behavior IMO, you shouldn't fuck with someones car

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>>133794669
>72 fags die
>YA HUSSEIN muh martyrs
>1337 years after
For what purpose man
This is what I dislike about shias, too fixated on past events even when they seem irrelevant and their 24/7 praise of any kind of martyr is creepy

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>>133793868

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>>133794595
Stop uploading child pornography.

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Redpill me on this Sunni's and Shiites buisness

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>>133794877
>too fixated on past events
>Muh sunna
for me there is no really difference

>>133794877
>DUDE WHO CARES ABOUT HISTORY AND NOTIONS LIKE FAITH AND STEADFASTNESS AND SACRIFICE AND FIGHTING AGAINST ALL ODDS LMAO

kys

>>133793497

I'd overturn the car with anything available to do it with just to fuck them off.

>>133794877
Hussein to Shiites is similar to what Jesus Christ is to Christians

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>>133795080
Oh, I'm not saying the sunnis are any better, you know.

>>133795084
72 people got wasted by a passing army. How is that relevant in any way?

>NOTIONS LIKE FAITH
It was political

>AND STEADFASTNESS AND SACRIFICE AND FIGHTING AGAINST ALL ODDS LMAO
Sacrifice, yes, but fighting against all odds? It's not like they really achieved anything.

I just don't get why this battle is so important and still brought up today as a source of conflict, especially when you see videos of hundreds of people self-flagellating with swords and whips at once in remembrance of this event. That's all.

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>>133794669
I'm glad that Christianity overcame our "Sunni-Shia" phase at the Council of Jerusalem.

>>133794225
Are you Christian?

>>133792862
tl;dr

saudis are nigger-rich

Why can't /sg/ faggots get their own board?

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>>133794877
well remembering is the best way to no repeat history, it looks a bit weird sure, but who cares really ?

>>133796012

Why can't Australians get their own board?

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>133796012
>one post by ID
>australian flag
>weak bait

>>133796165
Hey, Bouteflika shows up!

>>133796165

>that ID

Fucking sides.

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>>133796242
yeah, i can't sleep.

>>133795402
>72 people got wasted by a passing army.
A passing army? Lol the Umayyads deployed more than half their whole military into this battle
>How is that relevant in any way?
Relevant in that the whole muslim nation, except for Hussein, and one other rebel in Mecca declared loyalty and allegiance to Yazid someone who was what the Saudis are today) It has special importance, in that he was a forefather of the current Saudi style, and Husseins historic stand against his tyranny is a symbol for current times
>It was political
It wasnt political, if it was Hussein wouldnt have risked and taken his family and women to battle. He wouldve just bent the knee like everyone else did. He knew he wasnt going to conquer Iraq with 72 soldiers, he said he was only rebelling in an attempt to reform Islam (which btw is what cucks like you keep tellling Muslims to do)
>Sacrifice, yes, but fighting against all odds?
Yes, when you have an idea or belief, and are so faithful to this belief you basiccally walk to your death on your own two feet for the cause. You dont consider that admirable? You'll probably answer this question with some jewy "hurr-durr they died when they couldve been good goys ahd submitted and lived" answer
>It's not like they really achieved anything
Except they did, because the event sparked uprisings and eventually led to the overthrow of the Umayyads a few short decades later.
>I just don't get why this battle is so important and still brought up today as a source of conflict
Like I said above, its symbolic of todays struggles supposedly
>especially when you see videos of hundreds of people self-flagellating with swords and whips at once in remembrance of this event.
Do you feel the same when Christians do passion plays?

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>>133796344
iktf
>tfw 4:18 in France
DUDE

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>>133796330

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Wow.

Will Assadists ever recover?

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>>133796504
Not gonna lie, former ASS*dist here, it's hilarious to see him crash and burn. But seriously we can't let him have control over the strategic garage

>>133796504
WTF I HATE GASSAD NOW

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>>133796504
fugg

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>>133796493
nice ID

Is this supposed to be a good thing or not
>Huge rallies in Turkey mark failed 2016 coup
>"First of all we will chop off the heads of those traitors," Erdogan said as reaffirmed previous comments to sign any bill passed restoring capital punishment.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/huge-istanbul-rally-marks-failed-2016-coup-170715183525434.html

>>133795044
This split comes from the early days of Islam. It started politically after the death of Muhammed with arguments over who his successor was.

The majority (Sunni in Arabic) supported Abu Bakr, a powerful and influential convert, the minority became followers (Shia in Arabic) of Ali, Muhammad's son in law, claiming that the leader of Islam should be a member of the Prophet's family.

As time went on these groups got into conflict with each other, most famously at the Battle of Karbala where forces of the Sunni Caliph Yazid killed the Shia Caliph Husayn. They've hated each other ever since.

Today 80% or so of Muslims are Sunni. Shias are a majority in Iran, Iraq, Azerbaijan and Bahrain (although Bahrain is under Sunni rule).

In practical terms Shias are a lot more stable than Sunnis as they have a more formalised system of who can interpret religious texts, relying on the interpretation of Imam's, rather than the more open system Sunnis operate under. This means that 95%+ of terror attacks in Western countries are carried out by Sunnis, not Shias.

However, US foreign policy is basically directed against the Shia or Shia led powers in the region (Iran, Syria, Houthis in Yemen) because Sunni states are all in the grip of Saudi Arabia and Israel and thus aligned with Western foreign policy. Iran has never funded an attack in the West, but they get an insane amount of hate while Sunni powers like the Saudis get arms deals to kill and starve Yemeni Shias while funding Wahhabist mosques that promote terrorism.

So /sg/ is pretty pro-Shia overall.

Ya Husayn! Ya Zeinab! Ya Nasrallah!

>>133797102
Please archive https://archive.is/eSPBe

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>>133797102
lel

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>>133796504

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>>133797147
WHITE

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>>133797147
thank you jesus

>Turkey sacks more than 7,000 civil servants one year on from failed coup
>Total number of state employees dismissed for alleged terror links reaches 110,000 as president prepares to lead ‘national unity marches’

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>>133797147

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>>133795717
Nope, just a plain old agnostic. Never felt the faith or anything like that. I can admire and feel in awe in front of the mysticism and architecture of a mosque or cathedral... but not much more than that.

>>133796165
>who cares really ?
Touché. I guess it's not that important overall.

>>133796367
>Relevant in that the whole muslim nation, except for Hussein, and one other rebel in Mecca declared loyalty and allegiance to Yazid someone who was what the Saudis are today
All I know is that the Ummayad dynasty decided to have the successor be the son of Muawiyah, AKA typical leader setting up his empire to be a kingdom. How is that "a forefather of the current Saudi style"? In which way is it similar to the Umayyads other than they were both hereditary?

>It wasnt political, if it was Hussein wouldnt have risked and taken his family and women to battle. He wouldve just bent the knee like everyone else did.
You can do a political act while also self-sacrificing, you know... I just don't see how this has any relation to religion, honestly. It was pure power play.

>he said he was only rebelling in an attempt to reform Islam (which btw is what cucks like you keep tellling Muslims to do)
I don't tell muslims to do anything, faggot. I wish that religion would be irrelevant in politics and laws, but that isn't possible, so for now I just want the western powers to GTFO of the middle east so the arab world doesn't have to resort to islamism rather than arab nationalism.

>You dont consider that admirable? You'll probably answer this question with some jewy "hurr-durr they died when they couldve been good goys ahd submitted and lived" answer
Admirable yes, but did it have any significant impact? Is it such a big deal? Did it change the power plays in the region in any highly significant way?

>Do you feel the same when Christians do passion plays?
No, because they don't self-mutilate for fuck's sake

>>133796367
What does /sg/ think about what im saying? the maghrebcuck wwent silent for some reason

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15 hours since the latest update. What are they hiding?
[spoiler]reminder that they announced that a separate group was 5km from the Euphrates[/spoiler]

So what's up with that new independent state in Tal Afar?

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>>133796504
It gets better anon.

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>>133797525
Maybe waiting for reinforcement for a big offensive, they don't want the MOSSAD or the USA to tell ISIS what's coming so they take their time and do it carefully to no get spotted.
>>133797456
>the maghrebcuck
Rude

>>133797728
wow im a moderate rebel now

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>>133797408
>they don't self-mutilate
Wrong, there are some loonies that do.
All shias don't self mutilate. iirc it's banned in Iran

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>>133797728
>Allowing woman to teach in school with their niquab = basic rights
Wtf i'm an FSA rocket now

>>133797657
Probably bs
>>133797783
Nah, they're on the offensive already.

>>133797973
Same sex schools are like anuddah nakba. UN pls help.

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>>133797116
>In practical terms Shias are a lot more stable than Sunnis as they have a more formalised system of who can interpret religious texts, relying on the interpretation of Imam's, rather than the more open system Sunnis operate under. This means that 95%+ of terror attacks in Western countries are carried out by Sunnis, not Shias.
Nah, in practical terms 95%+ of terror attacks in Western countries are carried out by Sunnis because Sunnis are the majority of muslims and most war-torn countries today are Sunni (except Iraq). Back in the 80's and 90's, basically all terrorist attacks in the west were committed by either Hezbollah or the Islamic Jihad Organization, both shiite and lebanese (logical, since it was still in a state of civil war).

It is true, though, that today's highly decentralized islamist terrorist networks are mostly sunni and the result of western foreign policy in Arab countries, and the gulf is entirely responsible for that too.

I gotta question
How long until another group comes along and out does ISIS in every category from Executions to Territory held?
I mean ISIS controlled al landmass that if I remember correctly was as large as Israel and Lebanon combined how long until Jihad Joe and his buddies take over a landmass the size of Pennsylvania?

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>>133798220
Well, calling Hezbollah shiite might be a stretch, but the majority of its members are shiite, so...

>>133796207
Why can't nu/pol/ get a containment board?

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Press F for Farfour the Martyr of Palestine Cause.

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>>133798352
f

hey guys just got home
any G A I N Z?

>>133798352
>>133798474
farfour also said that killing israeli kids is not a bad thing

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Linda sarsour just declared jihad on /pol/

>http://www.wnd.com/2017/07/linda-sarsour-declares-legal-jihad-against-her-critics/

new template btw

>>133798575

is he wrong?

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>>133797820
>Wrong, there are some loonies that do.
Ugh. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's self-mutilation. Why is that so retarded?

>All shias don't self mutilate. iirc it's banned in Iran
It's happening again in post-ba'athist Iraq anyway, especially in towns which have a lot of religious importance. A real shame. I much prefer the way shi'a communities in Beirut and Lebanon in general do it: blood donation drives in order to replace self-flagellation.

>>133798220
>Most war-torn countries today are Sunni.
Terrorists seem to come disproportionately from non-war-torn countries.

>>133798595
the bitch is literally mossad

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>>133798547
>any G A I N Z?
no

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>>133798595
kek sarsour mean cockroach in arabic. is this why she lives in america? she doesn't want anyone to recognize it?

and archive the link before you trigger the bot

>>133797408
>All I know is that the Ummayad dynasty decided to have the successor be the son of Muawiyah, which way is it similar to the Umayyads other than they were both hereditary?
Muhammad explicitly forbade Monarchy in Islam. Umayyads were the first monarchy in Islam. Since Muawiyah himself came to power from a civil war and with dubious claims, to make peace he made a treaty that stated Hasan (Alis older son) would be his successor. He had promised to not name Yazid his sucessor, as Yazid was not fit to rule the Muslims. even Muawiyah agreed with that in the treaty. that Hassan was more fit to be an islamic ruler.Muawiyah poisoned Hasan and broke his promise on his deathbed to not name Yazid his successor. Yazid is similar he was a drunkard, womanizing tyrant who ruled unjustly while claiming to be Islamic.
>You can do a political act.... I just don't see how this has any relation to religion, honestly. It was pure power play.
What is your malfunction? The followers of Hussein were entirely fighting for religion, he gave them the option to abandon him the night before and none of them did, it was purely religious for them, they knew they would be killed, there was no earthly political gain.How is that a power play?
>I don't tell muslims to do anything, faggot. I wish that religion would be irrelevant in politics and laws, but that isn't possible,
Your name-calling and general haughty attitude while i patiently respond to your childish answers doesnt make you seem cool, just desperate
>yes, but did it have any significant impact? Is it such a big deal? Did it change the power plays in the region in any highly significant way?
I literally answered that in the sentence right after, umayyads were overthrown by a coalition of shiites a few decades later

>No, because they don't self-mutilate for fuck's sake
Neither do most shiites.they do self-mutilate in passion plays

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>>133798758
>It is true, though, that today's highly decentralized islamist terrorist networks are mostly sunni and the result of western foreign policy in Arab countries
When a country is in ruins, it's very easy to manipulate the people and create terrorist organizations. When these are allowed to proliferate and develop for decades like what happened in the ME without any crackdown from a strong leader and stable government, they will eventually expand and reach western countries. There were almost no islamist terrorist attacks in the west before 1990, they were still limited in the 90's, and they started exploding in frequency only in the 2010's.

>>133798715
>Tatbir is contested among Shia clerics, while some traditionalist clerics allow believers to indulge in tatbir, modernist clerics deem it impermissible because it is considered self-harm thus Haram in Islam. Most religious authorities associate all forms of self-flagellation and blood-letting as ways to relate to painful deaths during battle of Karbala by Imam Husayn and supporters.
Once all the old farts die, it's over it seems.

>>133798758
almost all of the sunni terrorists are from the salafi sect because their clerics encourage nothing but exterminism

islam isn't just shia and sunnis there is a difference between the sects as well.

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>>133799045
>When a country is in ruins, it's very easy to manipulate the people and create terrorist organizations.
so why does morocco and tunisia have more foreign fighter than algeria who just got out of a civil war ?

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>>133796687
>implying Assad isn't key to combatting and removing the cancer of Islam, Wahhabism

>>133799271
What the hell is salafism?

>>133797116

Tbh Shi'ism looks like it has a much better culture, structure and doctrine. It might be a later 'innovation' depending on interpretation. There's more than passing similarities with Catholicism in terms of the culthood and veneration of martyrs, it's visual culture and greater focus on the role and status of the clergy. Less extreme offshots within it's associated sects and more stability and respect for the cultures and identities of nations and peoples that came before them in those countries. You can't help but appreciate it's always going to be the more stable sect when you can have any odd Sunni radical declaring themselves a caliph or starting some extreme offshoot claiming to be promoting the 'true' interpretation of scripture with their own self-appointed clergy and 'experts'. By insisting on clerical leaders needing to be direct descendants of the Prophet it gives them a fundamental sense of stability, continuity and an ability to filter out other innovators and self-appointed leaders with other intentions. It's a strange inversion of Christianity sects, Sunnis are the more 'original' one, but they have the same problems as Protestant ones do with so many sub-sects and such open interpretation and greater focus on expansion than doctrinal and clerical purity. It's bizarrely the so-called innovators that actually have the better model for the wider faith.

>>133798220

Shia extremism may have been far more prominent and widespread before the 21st Century, but most of it was heavily linked political issues in Lebanon, Iran and Palestine with the religious reasons as the excuse and justification for it. Shia extremism is a different kettle of fish to Sunni extremism. Yeah, there is sectarian nutjobs that go around killing others for belonging to rival sects nearly ever major religion seems to have that problem to some extent in their histories.

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A S S A D W A V E
https://youtu.be/lH5Ay4tWvWc

https://youtu.be/szBK58UiSk4[embed]
kek this guy's channel has a bunch of other shit like this

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>>133799609
the official sect of the saudis and terrorism they cliam that they follow al salaf al salah (the righteous predecessor) the sahaba and their predecessor, they do nothing haram this and haram that and kill this and kill that.
saudia have been always trying to push their shitty ideology by calling other muslims heretics and kuffar

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>>133798994
>I literally answered that in the sentence right after, umayyads were overthrown by a coalition of shiites a few decades later
I actually seemed to have missed that part. My bad, I didn't mean to repeat that.

>Your name-calling and general haughty attitude while i patiently respond to your childish answers doesnt make you seem cool, just desperate
I didn't name-call until you started calling me a cuck and a kike, my dude. Why are you projecting?

>they knew they would be killed, there was no earthly political gain.How is that a power play?
Maybe his followers believed in Hussein as a religious figure, but the goal wasn't specifically for Ali to attain gains in paradise (as he was probably already being offered them) but to provoke the rage of those who follow him and incite an overthrow of the umayyad government.
In that regard, I wasn't aware before of how they went out of power: thanks for the info, it makes your argument and the whole situation much more clear now.

>>133799355
Mukhabarat not as advanced and the proportion of muslims to foreign fighters in Morocco and Algeria is tiny as fuck anyway compared to Western Europe
Tunisia is basically islamist central now in terms of which parties have influence, the country was weakened a lot by the arab spring.

>>133799647
>most of it was heavily linked political issues in Lebanon, Iran and Palestine with the religious reasons as the excuse and justification for it.
True, but eh. I feel like classifying terrorism is a bad idea when it's all civilian deaths. You're right, though, they are separated in what they attempted to achieve (although a typical example of sunni terrorism linked to political issues that can be brought up today is Palestine).

>>133799854
this shit is great
https://youtu.be/KK5qzkvxcGU[embed]

>>133800014
how long until saudi arabia finally collapses and gets occupied by yemeni forces

>>133800185
when the US collpases, the americans will never let their 1# puppet fall just like that, the US uses saudies as puppet to fund and support terrorists an spread the jihadie ideology just like they did in afganistan and are now doing in syria.

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>>133797246
I do not get this. Who is Bill Mitchell and what did he mean by american refugees?

>>133797728
What are basic rights?

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>>133800132
no worries, water under the bridge.Im glad to have debated this, Im a big history guy, i like to analyse past conflicts as much as i can. frens?

>>133800448
Don't forget your own failed state

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>>133800555
the right to buy sex slaves and behead people in puplic

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>>133800555
The right to do government work in a burka and the denial of the right for non-muslims to become the president of Syria, among others.

>>133800677
Frens my dude

>>133799271
>>133799609
>>133800014
Salafism/Wahhabism = Official sect of ISIS, al-Qaeda, Saudi Arabia, and most of KSA's neighbors
Also the one taught in Western Islamic schools.

>>133800185
Never. At most, they'll lose some territory. But they're not collapsing unless the diplomatic situation seriously changes.

>>133799045
>>133800132
Western Left-Atheists are intentionally propping up the enemy in order to incite them to slaughter Christians and conduct white genocide faster. Only logical solution.

>>133800448
is israel 2# puppet?

>>133800694
and my state failed because......?

>>133800819
you can't puppet the puppeteer m8

>>133800819
israel is the puppetmaster, not the puppet

>>133796344
>not being awake at night and sleep during day
any request pham (beside kikerocco)

>>133800919
>>133800960
the US-Israel alliance is pretty spooky to me, they distrust each other

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>>133800919

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>>133800714
ayy, my shitty oc got saved

>>133793497
That house looks like asbestos siding. New ford, shittastic siding.

>>133800761
Ehhh. There is truth in the burka... degenaracy has come too far, but it doesn't really matter what the demands were. No individual component of the "Arab spring" would have changed the fate. The people pulling the strings of the destabilization campaign had too much power and too much obscurity. Not anymore tho :)

How many troops does the Hadi govt have deployed? I don't trust Wikipedia's 150K claim.

>>133801173
>>didn't read filename
I saw it and the backwards flag, i still don't advocate fucking with someones car though

>>133801242
They're*** BTFOOO
(Don't look at my post above please hah)

>>133801059
gr8 1 m8

>>133798994
>Muhammad explicitly forbade Monarchy in Islam
no. he never gave instruction on how th umma must be ruled. this is the reason of why the schism between sunni and shia started
>What is your malfunction? The followers of Hussein were entirely fighting for religion, he gave them the option to abandon him the night before and none of them did, it was purely religious for them, they knew they would be killed, there was no earthly political gain.How is that a power play?
one doesn't exclude the other
>Your name-calling and general haughty attitude
says the guy that called him a cuck here>>133796367
wew lad

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So what is the /sg/ consensus on Ali Saleh? Im surprised hes stayed so loyal to his alliance with the Houthis for so many years, considering his past history and the fact that if he were to turn on them the war would be over quickly. Should I apologize?

>>133797973
i don't want to play devil's advocate but it's not basic rights but still.
the opposite is also limitation of freedom

>>133801769
BASED

>>133798595
>(((linda)))
very islamic name
why do kikes poison everything ?

>>133801689
whatever dude, your trolling is shitty and not worthy of serious response, me and the maghrebi made up and are friends now and had a good intelligent debate.I will only answer you ludicrous claim that Muhammad never told his followers how the ummah should be ruled after him by referring you to google to search for Hadith Khum and Hadith alThaqalain which are both statements made by Mohammed on how the Ummah should be ruled, sunnis just conveniently ignore his commands and twist his words like they always do on every other matter.

>>133800764
>Western Left-Atheists are intentionally propping up the enemy in order to incite them to slaughter Christians and conduct white genocide faster. Only logical solution.
dindu nuffin: the post

>>133801769
>On 7 April 2011, a U.S. state department cable obtained by WikiLeaks reported plans of Hamid al-Ahmar, Islah Party leader, prominent businessman, and de facto leader of Yemen's largest tribal confederation, claimed that he would organize popular demonstrations throughout Yemen aimed at removing President Saleh from power.
I root for Saleh tbqh

>>133799609
an attempt at reforming islam
like westerners keep asking muslim to do

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whats the truth about erdogan/turkey
today (at least in emu land) the news was talking about the anniversary of our turkish friends defeating the military coup that tried to fuck up their country
so whats the /sg/ opinion on erdogan? is he good meh or shit?

>>133802299
Mohammed said this on his final pilgrimage. Non-Muslims of /sg/ please read this, since you wouldnt be biased as to the answer to my question

>"O people, Allah the Most Kind the Omniscient has told me that no apostle lives to more than half the age of him who had preceded him. I think I am about to be called (to die) and thus I must respond. I am responsible and you are responsible, then what do you say?' They said, 'We witness that you have informed, advised and striven. May Allah bless you.' He said, 'Do you not bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His servant and Apostle, and that His Heaven is true, His Hell is true, death is true, the Resurrection after death is true, that there is no doubt that the Day of Judgment will come, and that Allah will resurrect the dead from their graves?' They said, 'Yes, we bear witness.' He said, 'O Allah, bear witness.' Then he said, 'O people, Allah is my Lord and I am the lord of the believers. I am worthier of believers than themselves. Of whomsoever I had been Master (Mawla), Ali here is to be his Master.[a] O Allah, be a supporter of whoever supports him (Ali) and an enemy of whoever opposes him and divert the Truth to Ali"

Is this not an explicit command on who he deems as the master of the Muslims after he is gone?

>>133802608
He's a quintessential T*rk.
tfu

>>133802608
i believe /sg/ has a Neutral opinion on erdogan

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>>133800714
these are basic rights tb h
pic related

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Last episode of Radio War nerd is about Hezbollah and is pretty good.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/preview-radio-92-12929557

>>133802679
Yes.

>>133800764
>Western Left-Atheists are intentionally propping up the enemy in order to incite them to slaughter Christians and conduct white genocide faster. Only logical solution.
no....thats retarded

>>133802299
>whatever dude, your trolling is shitty
oh i'm sorry m8
maybe you're going to teach me my religion
>muh hadiths
this is why the majority choosed to stick with abu bakr that got voted in ?
the majority of muslim at the time were kuffar ?

>>133802917
>>133802679
Sorry Swede-bro I just realized my question was awkwardly worded and I dont understand your reply lol. Is it a command that Ali is his successor or not?

>>133789936
Sauce

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>>133803196
yes

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>>133802679
>Master (Mawla)
Aren't there like 30+ meanings for Mawla, though?

lets remember the shitty turkey coup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX8JNQxTuDA

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>>133802835
>in an anarchist world Libertarians and Muslims would live peacefully together sharing underage wives

>>133803196
yes, seems like one to me

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>>133803561
>anarchist world

>>133802679
nice interpretation m8
i'm sure it's not biased by an agenda
malwa has more than one meaning
read the original text instead of using a pre interpretated translation loaded with bias

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>>133803561
>>133803788
but guys "age" and "consent" dont exist they are spooks

>Assad family fights for filthy Iranian shits over their fellow Arab Republicans in the Iran Iraq war

How eactky is he based again?

>>133800454
He's some Trump fan who thinks that the president can do no wrong and stumbles over his own words when people point something out in a smart way. He's the "If you don't agree with X on the Y issue than you are no longer a part of the Z movement"

>133803990
>another one post by ID bait

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>>133803990
>fights

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>>133803990
>Assad family
Hafez was a nigger, Bashar isn't, simple as that

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>>133804230
To be fair cutting the Iraqi pipelines going through Syria costing Saddam billions of dollars per month probably caused more damage than fighting

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>>133804248
>Hafez was a nigger
>t. Saddamist that denies the burgers gave Saddam CWs and permission to use them against Iran

>>133803381
>implying Mohammed gathered all the pilgrims to tell them Ali is his friend and also is their friend as well
Also him saying allah is my mawla and i am your mawla and ali is your mawla makess it clear what he meant, there is no way he would say Allah is his friend or any of thee words that mean mawla
>>133803183
>maybe you're going to teach me my religion
>muh hadiths
You obviously respect Abu Bakr and hold him in higher esteem than the Holy Prophet, mocking the Propphets hadiths, so no, you are not a Muslim, Islam is not your religion, and Muhammad is not your Prophet if you mock his sayings. you are a Bakri
>this is why the majority choosed to stick with abu bakr that got voted in ?
Which majority? the handful of his friends and cronies who decided to defy the prophets orders aand hold a sham election that only they voted in while Ali was burying the prophet and the prophet had literally just died ? The one where everyone who opposed them, including Fatima, were threatened with death?
>the majority of muslim at the time were kuffar ?
No, but they were led by hypocrites, there is a verse in the quran warning Muhammed of hypocrites amongst the sahaba

>>133804248
>Hafez was a nigger, bashar isnt
he was like 10 times better than his son

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>>133804500
>Saddamist
are you the kind of person that calls people Assadists?

>that denies the burgers gave Saddam CWs and permission to use them against Iran
Oh, I ain't denying that
But when your opponent breaches all kinds of international law and repeatedly calls for the overthrow of your arab nationalist republic in favor of an islamist extremist government, there's not much you can do, senpai
Bonus points: Halabja had both Iranian soldiers and kurds that collaborated with Iran in it :^)

>>133804526
>You obviously respect Abu Bakr and hold him in higher esteem than the Holy Prophet, mocking the Propphets hadiths
best strawman ever
all of your argument is based on YOUR interpretation of the hadith
mawla didn't mean ali had to lord over the umma for this context but that he had to be taken in high esteem and not harm to be done to him once muhammad (pbuh) died
it's the shia that interpret it this way

you don't even speak arabic you just use the translation that fits better your agenda and act like it's the only valid source
stop it with your smug mentality you barely have the tools to study the question

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>>133795044
>Redpill me on this Sunni's and Shiites buisness

>>133803878
read my answer here to the last guy who said "mawla" has different meanings >>133804526

Sunnis are so quick to twist and convolute and try to fuzzy what the Prophet said, but accept everything aisha and abu bakr and omar and uthman say as absolute cold hard truth. you are not muslims, you are a perversion of Islam that spread through centuries of thuggery,rape, invasion and tyranny. Its ok though, Allah punished you with Israel and has punished you with tyrants for centuries and will continue to punish you until you return to the true islam, the islam which you and your forefathers perverted and ruined and are the reason for all the calamities afflicting muslims everywhere. Centuries of your ignorance and cowardice has led us to the sorry state islam is in today, hated by everyone and perverse

>>133804928
>Halabja had both Iranian soldiers and kurds that collaborated with Iran in it
kurds being loyal to their country is not a bad thing

>>133803559
Wish the coup was won.

>>133805134
Except Halabja is an Iraqi city

>>133805131
>Sunnis are so quick to twist and convolute and try to fuzzy what the Prophet said
nice strawman again
muh shia interpretation is the gold standard and sunni are therefore always wrong
>you are not muslims,
typical orientalist mentality
come back the day you understand arabic

>>133805283
I don't, turkey would've been a full USRAELI colony

>>133805134
might wanna google things before you hit that post button

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>>133805105
>>133795044

>>133805318
sheiit i don't really know too much about the iraqi-iran conflict, i am just aware that saddam trusted americans, and repented it later

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>>133803990
>Assad family fights for filthy Iranian shits over their fellow Arab Republicans in the Iran Iraq war

Saddam was a CIA plant who got most of his weapons from the Great Satan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQBWGo7pef8

>>133804928
>muh Iranian boogeyman, muh international law
>gotta pre-emptively start war
>america pls help, gib gas
>oh and i want Khuzestan too pls gib
Saddam was a nigger and most of his fanboys (including his half-nephew) joined or roots for ISIS.

>>133805597
>unironically quoting CNN
wew lad
even if CNN told me the sky is blue i would go outside and check it

Have you all seen this? SDF killing a "civilian" in Raqqa.

https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/886225214488629248

There was a version of this video that had a "human rights watch" logo at the end.
Made be lol.

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>>133805732

Saddam himself was incompetent and easy to manipulate, but the Baathist state was way better for the people of Iraq than whatever came after.

>>133805638
It was not "trust" much more than mutual interests during that period, as the US wanted to prevent Iran from turning towards the USSR while also limiting the damages of the islamic revolution which had toppled the shah. Think of it more like the Grand Alliance of WW2 between the US and the USSR than anything else.

>>133805732
>be Iran
>commit border raids
>incite and finance islamic groups in Iraq to rise up and rebel
>Iraq must become an islamic republic similar to Iran
>Saddam should let Khomeini get his army together before they strike Iraq

Senpai

>most of his fanboys (including his half-nephew) joined or roots for ISIS.
Nice US propaganda my dude
Of course, a million and half ba'athists all joined or root for ISIS when the ba'ath party has always cracked down on islamism

> tfw went from meeting a Russian girl from Siberia who outdrank me to having a threeway to waking up in some lesbian couple's house
I literally have no fucking Clue where I am right now

>>133805668
I'm surprised pineapple face noriega gets a mention

>>133805812

Their source is the Global Terrorism Database
which is run by the Department of Homeland Security.

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>>133805668

Hey bro, Latuff is a SJW cartoonist from Brazil.

All right think he's too * cringe * and too appealing here

ohh no, it's the moroccan who hates the shias

>>133806080
>(((Department of Homeland Security)))
btw i'm not saying that it's false
just reminding that they also have an agenda

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>>133805944
>I'm surprised pineapple face noriega gets a mention

Because he was the most obvious one. He was known for working with the CIA and as soon as he tried to go his way the USA invaded Panama, killing lots of civilians.

>>133806225
>>133805668
Was not noriega assisted by fucking mossad as well????

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>>133806153
Since when does hating the Iranian state's policies under Khomeini mean hating shias?

>>133805081
>best strawman ever
Literally not astrawman. Your post i was replying was mocking what prophet said with "muh hadiths" while you glorifyied abu bakrs course of action. anyone with a single shred of reasoning would reach the conclusion youre mocking muhammad and glorifying abu bakr
>mawla didn't mean ali had to lord over the umma for this context but that he had to be taken in high esteem and not harm to be done to him once muhammad (pbuh) died

Yeah, when the Holy Prophet said "Allah is my mawla and I am your Mawla and Ali is your Mawla" he meant "Allah is my friend and I am your friend and Ali is your friend" Our Holy Prophet was just friendposting apparently, and Allah is our friend, not our Lord. When he said "Allah is my mawla" he meant "Hold Allah in high esteem and dont harm him" Enough of your play on words, its a cold, clear command that Ali is their master after Muhammad
>ou don't even speak arabic you just use the translation that fits better your agenda and act like it's the only valid source stop it with your smug mentality you barely have the tools to study the question
I speak Arabic very well actually, and have read from both sides of the sunni-shia question.its very ironic you open by accusing me of a strawman attack then close with an ad hominem attack, once youve used up your "play on words" trick, you attemtpt to discredit it me by making a false claim calling me ignorant. you simply decided i dont speak arabic when i literally do, and im the one explaining to you how silly your translation is

>>133805391
read above
Your argument is juvenile and you are embarassing yourself . if you want i can carry on the rest of the thread in arabic with you if youre so sure i dont speak arabic. i love how youre dodging all my arguments and evading them and ignoring how silly the idea that he gathered everyone to tell them ali is his friend is.youre not even responding to my reasoning, all your answers are autistic screeching. typical bakri

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>>133806087

Well Latuff makes lots of anti-Israel and anti-US cartoons, and is pretty popular so his stuff is pretty common.

During the start of the Syrian Civil War he was pretty critical of Assad but eventually became more critical of the other side.

>>133806311
>Was not noriega assisted by fucking mossad as well????

Haven't heard about that. Wouldn't be surprising, Israel is known for training people in Latin America, such as the Colombian army.

Damage report
> my wallet's been emptied
> my ass hurts from when that Russian girl stuck her thumb up
> my head is spinning
> I'm on the complete opposite of the city from where I was before
> that lawyer's husband hit me across the face for trying to fuck his wife


>>133806311
Noriega was a huge slut

>>133806380
not going to waste my time with (you) and your strawmen

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>>133806380
>Allah is our friend, not our Lord. When he said "Allah is my mawla" he meant "Hold Allah in high esteem and dont harm him"
Just as a reminder, mawla wasn't used for Allah.

>>133793868
Fun fact: a Fatimid caliph, called al Hakim, was notoriously dimwitted. He killed the high lords of his realm when peasants complained about their injustices, and he eventually ended up creating a massive civil war in Egypt. In the peak of that war, he got on his donkey and wandered off into the desert, never to be seen again.
Because of how pious he was, some shia ismaelis -which their imam he was- thought that his life was the physical manifestation of the esoteric will of the cosmos, and created a new sect based on that idea, eventually calling themselves the Druze.
His son's name was Ali al Zaher, hence why the name Zahereddine is so common among Druze.

>>133806461
>>133806595
Here it is
>At some later point in time Harari became the Mossad station chief of Latin America but based in Israel. Although he is said to have retired after this service, it is unclear if all his Israeli intelligence connections were severed when he left for Panama. He returned to Israel just before or during the 1989 United States invasion of Panama, which deposed Manuel Noriega
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Harari

>>133804646

Hafez was a Stalin-tier psychopath. Bashar is much better, more vision for reforming the economy and society but just moderate enough to still retain a stable dictatorship. A perfectly decent man on a personal level too with none of the unhinged tendencies or temperament of his father.

I don't really support democracy a concept desu, I prefer enlightened despotism as the best model of governance. Bashar represents one of the closet attempts to it in the Middle East.

>>133806640
don't bother with him he'll strawman your argument

>>133806694
>Hafez was a Stalin-tier psychopath.
WTF i love hafez even more

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>>133806655
Wait what

>>133806601
>not going to waste my time with (you) and your strawmen

Youre literally the one who opened an attack on me initially. Anyways , i just hope one day you discover the truth, otherwise, i hope you join Abu Bakr in the after life.

>>133806415

I know, but I confess I was surprised to see something of him here

Nothing against him. He can do many good things sometimes.

Huehuehuehue

>>133806312
HI JIDF

>>133806655
Man the things you learn while browsing /sg/

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>>133806828
Elaborate?

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>>133806657

Nice find.

I also heard that the Zetas started dissolving bodies in acid with a recipe they got from Israeli people.

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>>133806655
Wait, what?

>>133806792
>You're literally the one who opened an attack on me initially
i pointed out that the whole sunni shia divide was on the interpretation of malwa (see >>133806640)
now you're talking about "attacking me"
as i said not going to waste time arguing with (you) since your whole argument stands on your interpretation of the hadith which i refute

>>133806854
I would unironically recommend reading any book about the history of Islam that you can get your hands on. Muhammad's life and the origins of the Sunni/shia split alone could put game of thrones to shame.

>>133806957
Fuuuuuuck

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>>133805918
>than whatever came after
Oh, you mean the constant state of terror caused by butthurt sunnis?
>>133805923
Yeah, I'm sure Saddams ambitions to expand into Iran and American butthurt over having their puppet overthrown had nothing to do with the decision to go to war.
Folks like Al-Douri aiding ISIS was just a prank bro.

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>>133806655
/sg/ - School General

>>133807302
>Oh, you mean the constant state of terror caused by butthurt sunnis?
tb h it's more complex than that
it's a game of persecution from the one in power to the sect that isn't
saddam did it to the shia
shia do it to the sunnis after saddam was removed
now sunnis are trying to do it to the shia
rince and repeat

>>133807096
What is your version of the hadith? And yes since the beginning youve been autistically screaming strawman at me and calling me ignorant and sayign that i dont speak arabic. show me your version of the hadith and in arabic, go ahead, show me your version that he used a different word . do it.


Although i just know youll continue with your typical bakri evading of the question and matter at hand

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>>133807302
>I'm sure Saddams ambitions to expand into Iran and American butthurt over having their puppet overthrown had nothing to do with the decision to go to war
Yeah, Saddam proposing peaceful and cordial relations to Iran after the revolution TWICE as Khomeini called for the overthrow of the ba'ath as his only answer every time didn't contribute to that, friend
Iraq only wanted to expand into Iran all along

>Folks like Al-Douri aiding ISIS was just a prank bro.
I guess you also missed that the first thing ISIS did was massacre ba'athists in every city as they saw them as the prime threat to the caliphate along with the Naqshbandi army trying to coup ISIS from the inside but failing and getting crushed as a result (with the remains instantly continuing the fight against Daesh)

>>133806655

>these moments when someone who is either insane or doing it for a laugh does something that attracts followers and over the decades and centuries it's own cult and devout followers completely unaware of the reality of how it came to be in the first place

I swear all that Kekistan shit is going to end up doing something like this when two centuries from now people from some major religion take it seriously as a legitimate cult.

Yet they will be completely unaware that it started as a mixture of an ironic joke and a few crazed autists taking it literally...

>>133807546
>your typical bakri evading
(you)
bakrism isn't a thing
the more you know

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i fell asleep...night /SG/

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>>133807874
G'night boutef

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>>133807529
>shia do it to the sunnis after saddam was removed

Not true, the sunnis got mad that they lost power even though they were the minority and created death squads and terror organizations targeting civilians. This includes Al-Qaeda and other groups funded by Saudi Arabia. This is also where ISIS came from.

The shia then created their own death squads, but they were targeting mostly enemy militias rather than civilians. This has been Iran and Hezbollah policy for a bloody long time, it's part of their resistance strategy.

And the major problem in Iraq was that after the invasion hundreds of thousands Baath party members were fired. Doctors, engineers, professionals, the USA basically destroyed the Iraqi state.

>>133806198
Considering how Iran and Hezbollah has been in (((their))) crosshairs for so long, i doubt it's part of any agenda.

>>133806750

Arguably he was right for his time, but in today's world he'd be a complete monster. He was completely unhinged on a personal level though, there was eyewitness accounts of him during the Yom Kippur War demanding generals personally shoot themselves in front of him for their failures and other shit like that. That's not the character of a sane or rational leader, just someone who rules through pure terror. Bashar has a far more balanced and raitonal mindset.

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>>133808102
tbf Nouri Al-Maliki's presidency was plenty sectarian but you shouldn't commit fucking terrorism against that

>>133807991
mean spirited image

>>133808102
>the shia didnu nuffin
>they gud boy
>the shia government wasn't sectarian

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>>133806694
Gas yourself

>>133808160
it's not the graph that is part of the agenda
it was just a daily reminder of who they were

>>133807780
Until you start holding the Prophets word as law and stop holding Abu Bakrs "election" as law then yes, Bakri is a thing. Also, youre doing the evasion again and ignoring my request to show me the sunni version of the hadith in arabic. If you had belief in it, you would show it to me, but because deep down you know how silly and easily refutable the Bakri "logic" is , youre too scared to even show me your version of the hadith in the arabic you claim i cant understand

>>133808463
>Hafez: infinite forehead
>Bashar: infinite neck

What is going to be Bashar's son's magical attribute?

>>133808183
>Bashar has a far more balanced and raitonal mindset.
And this is why there is a war in syria, he though those beheaders were innocents

>>133807874
Good night Bouteflika

>>133808652
infinite dick

>>133808620
honest question
are you even muslim to begin with ?

>>133808292
>>133808417

I don't remember exactly when were the sectarian policies were implemented and who was pushing for them. Nouri al-Maliki government was known for being sectarian but the CIA choose him because he was seen as independent from Iran.

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>>133808417
>bombs the first shia shrines only months after the burgers invade
>wtf why are they retaliating
>sunni genocide reeeee

>>133808183
>hewas completely unhinged on a personal level though, there was eyewitness accounts of him during the Yom Kippur War demanding generals personally shoot themselves in front of him for their failures

source on the accounts? sounds interesting
>>133808857
la ilaha ila Allah wa Mohammad rasool allah

honest question
Can you stop beating around the bush and give me your version of the hadith in arabic?

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>tfw I'd stick around to bake next bread, but I'm too tired
Going to bed /sg/
>Stay /comfy/
>Keep shitposting
>Ignore the bad shills/redd*tards
Have a QT on me!

>its another "shias and sunnis scream at each other the entire thread" episode
ill be back in a bit ill check back in next thread

>>133808934
nah the thing even more ironic than the whole shrine bombing is that the momennt their dictator saddam was deposed, all of a sudden the sunnis started REEEEEing that they want democracy, then they realized that theyre a small minority in iraq, so they immediately started reeeeeeeeing about the majority ruling the minority

>>133806694
Hafez was anything but a psychopath. He was the definition of a rational despot.
One foreign diplomat had once said that while Saddam killed people out of sadism and paranoia, Hafez did so like if it was just business (he compared him to that guy from the godfather, I never saw the movie). On a personal level, he seems not to have harbored feelings of hatred toward most of his enemies. He just did what he thought was necessary.

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jewtube got rid of my favorite ISIS nasheed channel before I could download the most recent video
Holy fuck I'm having a panic attack

>>133808760

>And this is why there is a war in syria, he though those beheaders were innocents

As a former Mukhabarat al-Jawiyya chief put it; Bashar was 'too soft' because he didn't want to deal with Daraa in 2011 the way Hafez dealt with Hama in 1982 and wouldn't let him do it when he requested his men be allowed to do it that way. But that would have been retarded to go and pull something like that in today's world. Yes they would have prevented the civil war and terrorised all other would-be rebels into winding their necks in but it would would have provoked a full-scale Western response. Had the Daraa dissidents been rounded up and faced mass public executions every single major Western power alongside Israel and their regional 'allies' would have lined up demanding immediate intervention and regime change with more convincing evidence than they could ever come up with alone. They'd have dealt with Syria in 2011 the same way they did with Libya over it. Bashar's actual leadership instead has been far more appropriate and at every turn it's denied them that kind of concrete justification for full intervention. He's played them better than the alternative would have and made sure not to do anything that would cost him his allies while doing whatever he can get away with within those constraints. Hafez, Basil or Maher would have all been at best overthrown and at worst Gaddafi'd by now.

>>133806640
>"mawla" wasnt used for Allah

why dont you show me the arabic text of the sunni version?

>>133793868
>Mawlid Al Nabaoui (birth of Ali)
lol
>Ashura (death of Ali)
lol
lol

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>>133809108
so you're probably a shia innit ?
they all kuffah
they all kuffah
wot
wot
(pic related)

all jokes aside
also my point was clear
i don't say the hadith didn't exist
i'm saying that the conclusion drawn from it is based on the interpretation of the word mawla
the sunni see it as taking ali in high esteem
the shia see it as making ali the leader
>inb4 "Allah is my mawla and I am your Mawla and Ali is your Mawla"
this would imply that muhammad is the equal to god if we follow your interpretation
obviously the word malwa doesn't have the same meaning otherwise it would imply that muhammad is a mushrik

also if you're a muslim why are you suggesting that israel is a punishment of sunnis and not all muslims ?>>133805131
a true muslim would know the answer of the israeli reason

also please do answer me in arabic just to make sure

>Syrian government, Kurdish forces agree to repair Tabaqa Dam together
>According to a report from the government, Damascus sent a group of engineers to repair the turbines at the Tabaqa Dam after an agreement was put in place.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-government-kurdish-forces-agree-repair-tabaqa-dam-together/

>>133809794
>Had the Daraa dissidents been rounded up and faced mass public executions every single major Western power alongside Israel and their regional 'allies' would have lined up demanding immediate intervention and regime change
Syria had the backing of Russia and china in 2011 so nothing of what you are saying would have happened

>>133788232
http://www.syrianews.cc/sams-ghouls-drink-rivers-syrian-blood/

>>133810162
kurds will be forced to become loyal to the syrian government, they know the US does not give a fuck about them