this is the future of Europe after EU collapses

>>133771221
Is Spain gonna annex Portugal?

>>133771597
more like iberian union

>>133771831
Germany, France, Moldavia, Italy, Belgium splits. Explain.

>>133771221
How does all this happen?

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>>133771221
Poland will break in half too

France brake in half

They fucking deserve it

>>133771221
EU shill degenerate piece of crap kill yourself

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>>133771221
>Implying Balkanization will stop

>>133772250
>>133772424
Scotland and Catalonia goes ahead with their independence
Migrants crisis rises, nationalism goes in the rise and EU starts to collapse
Italy goes through severe institutonial crisis, same happens in Spain and a bit on France
Trentino demands independence and joins Austria
Bavarian starts to get loud at independence, same with Venezia, North Ireland, Basque Country and Sicilia
Belgium explodes and starts a pseudo civil war
Bavaria declares independence without German permission
Euskadi follows, great debate in Spain about military intervention
Germany goes full autismo and deploys the military to control Bavaria and stop Belgium
France freaks out
Spain continues its internal destruction, the left rises to power and independence movements arise
Basque country gets independence through referendum, Andalusia, Galicia and Valencia do also have referendum but they remain
Now that Spain is more leftist Catalonia gets friendlier and Iberism is on the rise
meawhile North Ireland get independence and decides to Join Ireland, both through referendums
England starts a identity crisis because of brexit and loss of territories
Venezia also becomes independent
Germany is stopped again from their autism
Belgium finally splits
Meanwhile at some time through this Russia finally takes a bite on Ukraine
Germany gets divided between West and East again, now with the south also becoming its own thing
with all these new flavour independence Italy takes a restructuration, Sicily, Sardinia and Padania becomes independent
France end up splitting in two as a final for all this mess

new "smalls europes" arise
visegrad pact becomes more of a thing
scandis make a market pact
Iberia, Occitania and Greece join a free travel union with Sardinia and Sicilia, later on also Italy

>>133773530
I lacked knowledge in that region aside from Bosnia and Herzegovina so didn't went for it, also those countries are still new and young

you better give me some you's for all this autism I just gave you

>>133774150
The Balkans will be eternally splitting until it is made of over 3 thousand mini states.

>>133771221
>Poland not reclaiming eastern territories
try again

>>133774425
or until Serbia goes again against all and they start over from one collapsing country

>>133774681
I don't think Poland would start a war against Russia even by proxy

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>>133771221
>Ireland unifying

>>133771597
portugal will conquer spain

I WILL DIE BEFORE I SEE PORTUGAL AS PART OF SPAIN!

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>>133775102
what about a federal iberia

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>independent Flanders
truly the best timeline

>>133774920
nah, without EU governance, Poles would throw a suprise party with Russia to ukraine

>>133771221
That red Iberia better be Portugal and not Spain. Also

>Ukraine
>Exists

Why?

>>133775363
kek, what a bunch of madmen

I guess they could agree to that as long as it would only be Ukraine and not Belarus, the baltics or Kaliningrad

>>133775583
I didn't feel like Russia taking it all I don't know

>>133775583
I don't think the OP realizes just how fucked Ukraine is.

Who wants a quick rundown?

Only realistic one is Scotland and maybe Spain annexing Poortugal if they get a far right government.
Scotland will likely vote for Independence in 2020 even if the EU stays in tact. Theresa May is really fucking it up.

>>133775732
Do it! Rundown on Ukraine! Start a thread!

>>133771221
Why does France split in two?

>>133772959
meh

>>133773530
>Those borders
Add a few more enclaves and exclaves and you have the Holy Roman Empire 2 Electric Boogaloo.

>>133771221
>Implying that Sweden wouldn't occupy Norway, Denmark and Finland after the fall of the EU
Top kek, we are stronger than both Norway, Denmark and Finland. Our army would unite the Nordic into one country

>>133775732
Yes, please. Enlighten everyone

>>133775909
>Why does France split in two?

Southern one is the islamist side

>>133775743
it's not annexation but peacefully and voluntarily joining into one country

>>133775732
>Who wants a quick rundown?
why not

>>133775934
that would be too much border gore

>>133776066
>implying
that would need fascism to grow really high and reach power
and even in that scenario they would care more about muh refugees and EU falling down than attacking their "viking brothers"

>>133776066
>Top kek, we are stronger than both Norway, Denmark and Finland.

You're fucking mess shut the fuck up or we push you into the sea

>>133775732
>corrupt government
>hostile population
>nigger-tier mentality
for starters

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>>133776322
/r/Asianmasculinity the post

>>133776675
Said the nigger

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>>133775906
I don't feel like starting a new bread this late. Tomorrow, maybe.

I'll do a short one here.

>populace uneducated, filthy - literally filthy. No water is available state-provided only in 5 cities, rest survive off boilers which don't allow a proper bath or showers for many people in a quick succession
>country has no important resources, its main exports are grains and steel and those are tied to oil prices, so they don't make a lot out of them
>weaponry export is off limits, it takes them years to fulfill a 40-tank order for Taiwan, tanks for this order are literally built by hand and are each unique and hand-crafted in the worst way possible
>most industry is dead or dying, plus nobody wants to invest in a country with a civil war
>lost MAIN supporter and partner in 2014, acquired not much at all
>relies on profit off the gas transit so much they actively try and stop pipeline projects built around their borders instead of through them
>due to little to no vaccines left chances of epidemics rise quickly
>population is exaggerated, real number is about 40mln with 5 or so at least working in Poland and Russia for money
>pension fund empty, workforce cannot support the old people
>the government is inefficient and even more corrupt than before, has to trade with rebels for coal to provide heating

>>133776385
This pole here has a point, but this can be said a fair about Russia, too.
Difference is, we didn't fail so hard we sold our nukes.
Whilst Russia profited off our only way to really rise, the oil, Ukraine was placed in a spot in middle of Europe, with great markets for food and other products, a fantastic army, great, concentrated population and so on.
Their economy barely grew since the fall of the Union. Even fucking Somali grew better since 1991, even if declining due to shut like piracy.

So...
>Ukraine
>no reserves to draw from to rebuild the country
>no patriotic force capable of taking the power
>no foreign power interested in rebuilding

>>133775283
Too many of my family have died while keeping Portugal independent from Spain. Also, I think Spain is not as good as Portugal and annexing us would just create another Spanish province that wanted independence and screw with their politics.

Nothing against the Spanish people, though.

>>133776675
Even without EU cancer you are still ruled by feminazis.

Aquitaine has been French and talking langue d'oïl for 6 centuries.

No way it's gonna split.

North of France, however... As a northerner French, i feel more flemish than French.

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>>133771221
>implying all of northern ireland would vote to rejoin the republic

>>133776675
Sweden talking about masculinity

good one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw3e64sosEg

>>133776843
hot water**
And state-provided as in, you can buy it from the government.
So, what you can expect to happen in Ukraine is, slow decline. Destruction of last bits of civilization, refugees, more war, more death.
No mercy kill. Russia took what it wanted. Nobody else wants it, besides Polish nationalists.

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>eu collapses
>kosovo is still independent
>albania exists
>bosnia isn't shared between croatia and serbia
meme on, internet scholar...

>>133772959
>inb4 western poles start LARPing as Prussia and try to get annexed into Germany for gibs.

>>133774150
>>133771221
what absolute shit. can only come from an anglo.

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>>133776973

>>133776843
Gee, even our shithole grew a bit compared to this.

>>133776973
>giving StP to Finland
That's just precious.

>>133776929
but we can become Iberia while also being a federation where everybody can be their own, which would kill any kind of independence

>>133776843
thanks m8, also aren't there some anti Russia/ultra nationalists fascist groups trying to take over?

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>>133777569
fixed

>>133777209
>calling me anglo
don't make me puke

>>133777189
I would rather balkanize even more desu

>>133776973
>kaliningrad
>polish

>>133774214
Show us your real flag.

>>133775102
This

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>>133777765
i would rather pic related but times have changed.

>>133776843
>This pole here has a point, but this can be said a fair about Russia, too.
Poland as well
>WAAAAHHH MY BROTHER DIED 7 YEARS AGO
>now go mourn him every month kek
JUST
The biggest problem with Ukraine is the fact that it's very likely socialist (business-hostile) shithole AND the fact that it's the most capable of rebuilding Ukraine neighbours are... Surprise surprise... Their most hated enemies.
I may hate Ukraine for niggery, but if Poland doesn't become a superpower in this century, it deserves getting called a white nigger country as well.

>>133777734
this is shit, there is no way Schleswig-Holstein and Hamburg would ever under any circumstances join with denmark, ever.

>>133777639
Ukraine is a country of wonder.
Most of politically active forces there are anti-Russian, most of Ukrainians are, seemingly on a a genetic level.

My theory is, they're simply unused to equality.
Russians have always been a weird bunch. A fair bit serfs, but still, we were free to a certain degree. Life was bad, but not terribly.
Ukrainians... Well, they as a nation, if that could be called it, were molded into servants by Poland.
An ex-slave wouldn't wish for equality. He wouldn't understand it, he'd wish to be a slave owner.
Same here. Ukrainians love Poland who they warred with violently and who historically seen them as mindless peasants, bydlo, farm animals. They hate Russians, those same Russians who until recently seen Ukrainians as a brother nation.

They shot down our jets in 2008, during the Georgian war. Way before Crimea.
They see us as enemies, as slaves of Kremlin despite the fact that they are the ones who can get imprisoned for thought crimes.

In short I don't know. There are heavily anti-Russian militant forces, but I doubt they'd get to power.
>>133777734
What I meant is, it kinda fits given their depressive nature.
- Hey, little girl, does rain ever end in this city?
- I don't know mister, I only lived here for eight years,
But giving land to Finland in general is retarded. They wouldn't want ex-Soviet commieblocks.

>>133778253
In my perfect map Denmark takes them from you by force after Germany collapses due to the influx of shitskins
PS your country is shit

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>>133776973
least cancerous map i have seen in a while.

>>133771221
Next there will be Cze republic, Chia, Slo republic and Vakia.

>>133778018
I think it's not hard to see I'm spanish, especially with posts like
>>133775283 and >>133777639

>>133778215
it's just a eternal cycle of conquest and balkanization

>>133778361
wew, I knew it was a collapsing shithole but it's probably even worse

>>133774150
>Basque country gets independence through referendum
So you literally know nothing about Spain.

>>133778223
all banter aside Poland can not become a super power. population is zoo small and infrastructually they are highly dependent on Germany and EU in general.

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>>133778753
ETA is dead and that would happen with a Podemos-PSOE government giving free referendums to everyone

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>>133778215
Tobia, Balsha, Losha and Spata were Albanian, in those times we were in more friendlier terms with Serbs

>>133778988
Literally nobody here cares about independence.

>>133778361
>Ukrainians... Well, they as a nation, if that could be called it, were molded into servants by Poland.
Objection! We didn't mould them because we didn't give a shit about a bunch of serfs and drunken horsemen. In general their national identity is very meagre and I've heard that it's all just Austrio-Hungarian plot to divide and conquer Galicia. And now they hate both Poles and Russians.
...We are still in the same shitty situation, Poles are better off because we're German colony.

>>133777569

We built it faggot. Give it back.

>>133777198
If they started LARPing as Prussia would they not try to conquer or convince german lands to join THEM, and then after a war with French Caliphate declare a new Reich?

>>133778215
also, german dudes>>133778813
, how do you say Byzanz, i speak german but i never heard Byzanz so i guess it's something like B(german B not english B)-zants, or?

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>>133776973
>ukraine still exists

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>>133778963
yeah yeah, they really got fucked up after leaving the USSR, which is kind of ironic considering all the problems they had when they were inside like kulaks

>>133779049
really makes me think

>>133776204
>Southern one is the islamist side
How realistic is this?

>>133778813
I know we're your colony, just don't hurt me with truth while I'm dodging my plumber destiny with shitposting.
I mean, IF we went fascist and/or protectionally capitalist, we possibly could go stronk, but we need strong government first. It's not happening.

>>133778456
>collapse
nigger look at America and Brazil. There wont be a collapse, not within the next 100 years.

>Denmark taking anything
right, they're going to "take" a region wich has about the same population size of them and of course the rest of Germany is just going to watch. If anything it's going to be the other way around. The "country" is called "denmark" (german: "danish march") for a reason

>>133778996
in those times albanians weren't the albanians they are now.

>>133778361
They see Poles as enemies as well, all I've seen from them is hate for their neighbours lol

>>133779283
can say the same about Serbs

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>>133779270
Do you take everything this seriously you fucking autist

>>133779089
It's pronounced Büzanz in german don't know how to explain the umlaut.

>>133779396
how so?

>>133779293
On good old sosach where they usually brag about glorious victories over evil moskals they seem to like Poland. Same for most people.
Then again they are a nation of retardation.
>>133779063
You didn't do it on purpose. Treating them as just serfs - and the fact that the Ukrainian nation is, in fact, by roots mostly serfs, - caused this.
>>133779072
Only thing you built is your ravishing alcoholism and the Fingolian Khaganate.
Gib back moon colony,

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>>133779202
>yeah yeah, they really got fucked up after leaving the USSR,

IT worse, after they SU collapsed they were stronger then poland. In 2016 their gdp was twice as small as romania. Not pp, straight entire worth of their domestic product was half of romania

>>133779269
>strong government in poland
That will never happen but its an interesting though

>>133779647
i get the umlaut, like i said, i know german, but it's still really weird since in english, you probably know how they pronounce it ,and in serbian we say We-zan-T(english T)-ya.

>>133779936
did they recently not de-commify the judiciary system?

all needs to happen is the current generation or 2 of politicians to die.

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>>133777198
>western poles
LMAO, they're eastern poles

>>133771221
>France separates
>Italy doesn't
It's cool you like maps but don't shit up this already shitty board

>>133772959
>former german regions : liberal
>former russian regions : conservative

What's the meaning behind this? Different economies?

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>>133780312
Didn't Germans get displaced from the Prussian territory after the war? Pic related

>>133780087
I don't recall that but their heads of state are really not making the most out of the "economical boom" they're experiencing

>>133780711
Germans are a ball-less nation, rendered so by results of ww2.
They deserve that for their failure.

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>>133779270
>Integrating quasi-Catholic Mestizos over decades is the same thing as a flood of Africans and Muslims that need to become "Europeans" immediately.

This is willfully ignorant, or extremely naive. You better start looking for the writing on the wall m8.... You've got about 10 years to make this work before you enter a depression due to a contracting workforce, and over-dependence on trade for your GDP.

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>>133779523

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Pls

>>133781493
depression is good. collaps is better unfortunately it's not going to happen anytime soon. unless there is some kind of global thing coming.

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>>133781723

Mudslime, please go. Muslims don't need a larger foothold in Europe.

>>133781543
ew

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>>133771221
Don't see how any of these so called new "nations' will be distinct from the nations that there splitting off from. Like really can Sicily or Catalonia defend themselves from complete destruction if they get into a war.... or any of these 5 million population countries. Most europeans are ethnically the same, this breaking off into 50 different countries in the same land mass as Alaska is just dumb

>>133782218
Don't worry, the Balkans have a genetic that none of the others have. Even if you nuked them, they would still survive

>>133782218
It's dumb, but what can you do if people don't get along? Besides, the claim is that there will be couple of caliphates among new nations

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>>133782081
Wouldn't be so sure of that m8... almost every developed country has the same problem that you do. Widespread governmental debt, increasing welfare recipients, importing hostile aggressive populations AND a contracting workforce are problems that aren't just going to solve themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vMypCinkRk

>>133782218
microstates do exist, you could literally say the same for Luxemburg, Malta, San Marino or Andorra. There's also the balkans
in some of these cases there are real cultural difference or political tension

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>>133782638
People want to be too edgy it'll get them killed, Nordics should form a nation, anglos should also, ethnic Russian countries go back to Russia Praise kek because those mini states that call themselves "nations" are a joke. Meds stay with Meds but have the sorta same setup as now only all original territory is returned to there rightful owners, the only people that would be the same practically is Portugal because they are truly unique and Spain will always have there back anyway

>>133782196
who is this fluid druid?

>>133782196
>>133783233

I also request to know who is this semen demon

>>133771221
free trade zone and back to the pre-euro days
aka everyone shadowing the nu-deutschmark and getting even more butthurt about their inability to keep up than greece now

>>133780711
Former German regions are slightly wealthier than the former Russian regions.

Also Warsaw is pretty much the most cucked part of Poland.

>>133783104
>People want to be too edgy it'll get them killed, Nordics should form a nation, anglos should also, ethnic Russian countries go back to Russia Praise kek because those mini states that call themselves "nations" are a joke. Meds stay with Meds but have the sorta same setup as now only all original territory is returned to there rightful owners, the only people that would be the same practically is Portugal because they are truly unique and Spain will always have there back anyway
Good luck convincing people of that

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>>133782196
>>133783233
>>133783392

why are russian waifus the best?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYao1Mju7A

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>>133775317
Bart De Bever als keizer

>>133773530
>imblying you know anything about balkans

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Best map last map

Guess all teh flags, pol, and find the hidden easter egg

>>133788015
there's some faggot, I guess Putin, in the horse

and I don't know what is more of a meme, you ebin muh muslims are coming map or being a nazbol

>>133788387
the faggot's face is putin, to be specific

>>133776973
>>133777734
>>133779523
>>133781543
>>133782965
fuck off fags those are OUR swedish speaking people ahvenanmaa not åland ok

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To whom it may concern

>>133789807
commies cant do anything right