Church

>>133768336
Catholic or orthodox church: no
Protestant church: yes

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>>133768590

I'm born again but I haven't found a church yet. I'm curious to hear what people here have to say. If I may pose a question to piggyback on OP's topic, how to get past the awkwardness/cheesiness of church? The corny "Jesus is my best friend" talk, the bad music, the half-mumbled awkward singing, etc. I'm fully on board with Christianity but the "churchian" culture is kind of repellent.

>>133768336
Only go if you truly believe.

>>133768948
convert to orthodox

>>133768590
It's Anglican
>>133768948
This.
>>133769025
I don't, but I want to and I see this as the first step of redemption.

>>133768336
Might as well check it out if it's on your mind.

>>133769434
Anglican churches aren't really like what he described, though. Unless you're unlucky and the Anglican church in your area is a "new age" one.

>>133768336
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
>Matthew 6:5-6

Go for community, don't expect salvation just because you enter a building.

>>133769696
How do I know if it's a new age one?
>>133769759
Community is a big reason why I am going.

>>133769164
Will I feel culturally alienated in an Orthodox church? I'm under the impression that Orthodox consists mostly of immigrant populations? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

>>133770308
You'll know if you start cringing. A true Anglican service should be serious and demanding of respect.

>>133770698
If possible you could also look for a tridentine mass (the traditional latin mass) in a Catholic Church near you. They aren't terribly uncommon. For example, I live in NYC, and there are at least a half dozen in driving distance.

>>133770863
Thanks anon, that's appealing except that I'm really not comfortable with the idea of going to confession. I think my idea would be a "serious" Anglican church as the poster above mentioned but that doesn't seem to exist in my city (LA).

>>133771126
Ideal, not idea.

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>And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

>And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

>(Matthew 16:18-19)

Here, God is referring to the catholic church, not the Catholic church we have today, but the spiritual one. The word "catholic" means universal. For we all are all one in Christ. Please understand the difference.

At the current moment, there is a remnant of Spirit-filled Christians scattered throughout all the Christian denominations: Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, non-denominational. Many churches are not very Spiritually mature. Don't go there expecting to meet Jesus Christ or something, we are all sinners and have our faults.

I've seen and been to a few which cater towards young people, but even then, there's a risk they maybe more of a "meat market" (where young people simply go to hook up) than to really serve Jesus Christ in the Spirit. Very rare, would I find a church that really would hit close to the mark, a church full of Spirit-filled young adults and a great pastor, but even then they have faults. Even if a church is not perfect, try to join the young adult fellowship. Again, not all maybe truly saved. There are goats, even wolves, among the sheep.

I understand you want to grow your faith and you are looking for guidance. If you've never been water-baptised, then I would go and get water-baptised. It's a decision you have to make from the heart. You can also talk to the pastor of the church after service and be honest with him, let him know you're looking for a church of young adults, it may hurt him, but he's there to help you.

Most of all, pray about it. Repent of your sins, read your Bible cover-to-cover, and pray. God Bless.

https://www.youtube.com/user/ihopkc/live

>>133771390
Thanks for the reply.

I am not intending to go for a "meat market" I am already in a happy relationship.

I have been baptised.

>>133771126
>>133771162
You only go to confession if you're planning to take communion (the body and blood of christ) which you only take in the first place if you're catholic, so that's kind of a moot point.
If it helps your search for an Anglican church, the serious ones are called "high anglican" i believe, or "anglo-catholic."

>>133768336
National Socialism will save you.

Forget church.

Do something for your community. Paint yellow stars on a Jewish shop.

Absolutely go, but I wouldn't expect to have some wow experience at first. I wouldn't even expect you to want to return, but you should. Why? I think it's great that you are even questioning, and it really will change your perspective on things. I'd stay away from some contemporary service where a lot of it is catered towards feelings, but that may just be the kind of Christian that I am.

Maybe you'd be interested in apologetics? Listen to a couple of Ravi Zacharias podcasts, and he goes more into theory and logic on why to be Christian.

>>133772032
Thank you, yes I'm aware that you only take communion if you're actually Catholic -- I'm looking to go "all in," so want something where I'll be able to fully participate in the long run. Thanks for the clarification about Anglicanism. I am aware of an "anglo-catholic" church where I grew up on the east coast and it was perfect. Maybe I can find one similar around here. I'll search by that label.

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>>133771929
Actually, why don't you try to find a local IHOP prayer room and go from there?

International (includes Australia)
http://www.ihopnetwork.com/?state=xx

U.S.
http://www.ihopnetwork.com/

>>133772564
Good luck and God bless, brother.

>>133768336
Don't look for anything to "save" you, at least not in this life. Religion provides a much needed guide and sense of community though, which is important.

>>133768948
>>133769434
Evangelical protestant since birth. That cheesiness has always rubbed me the wrong way; unless you find a country church with the good ol' hymn singing and you'll find a good fire there, but it has it's deficits. There is no single perfect church group as it's a bunch of flawed people with different problems and motivations in life coming together for one thing; and that's Christ.
Although to echo >>133769164's point, after visiting an Orthodox church a long time ago, and the more I look into Orthodoxy, I'm strongly considering converting.
If anything. Get you a bible and maybe get you a book on church history.
Best of luck, God bless you.

>>133770698
It really depends on the "type" of Orthodox church you visit and the location. If it's a Russian/Greek church in a traditionally Russian/Greek area, then it will probably be more ethnically flavored. But those aren't the only two Orthodox churches. There's an Antiochian orthodox church a few towns over and they're majority convert.
You won't know til you just go; if you're anxious, contact the preist. That's what he's there for.

>>133768336
Like you I haven't been since I was a teenager and just the other day I was thinking about going back. You should go desu

>>133771126
Episcopalian is Anglican; but in the US right? Maybe look for that? IIRC Catholic and Orthodox won't take confessions of non-members as it's a sacrament. Although, I'm protestant so I could be very wrong.

Catholicism is the fullness of The Truth

Real Presence of The Eucharist
Apostalic Succession
Scripture & Tradition

I was in your position a few months ago. I'm not getting confirmed Catholic tomorrow.

>>133773874
Whoops. Now// getting confirmed.

>>133773674
You should too!

>>133768336
It's Saturday and 6:10 pm, you fucking idiot, your shill pasta is obvious.

>>133773844
Orthodoxy has all of those things as well.

>>133773874
It takes commitment to avoid that. I was about to give money to a street hobo just today and only at the last moment did I realize I was about to become a confirmed Catholic.

>>133773995
>It's Saturday and 6:10 pm, you fucking idiot, your shill pasta is obvious.

Not sure if trolling or not, but there are other countries with different time zones in the world.

>>133768948
I fucking hate the "let jeebus into your heart"
What the fuck does that mean?

1. People are flawed

2. Churches are filled with people

As long as you keep this in mind you should go. Your OWN relationship to the divine has the power to absolutely transform your life, just remember to focus on that instead of hoping other flawed people will surprise you.

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>>133768590
ffs, you stupid burptist, the thread didn't began yet

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>>133774093
Lel

Is the old testament worth reading? That's the boring section, right???

OP, you should watch this whole thing before going. I'm thinking of going but I'm still not into the whole LARP of God being physically or metaphysically real, I look at the Bible as more of a priceless cultural object.
The Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22J3VaeABQD_IZs7y60I3lUrrFTzkpat
They are very interesting, I recommend doing something else though, by themselves they are a bit boring at times.

>>133774324
Pay especial attention to the Book of Numbers.

>>133768624
what's the misinterpreted verse?

I wish Christ-chan was my Sunday School teacher...

>>133774324
That's the best testament. New testament is for new age hippies.
>old testament
>fuck with god
>get drowned/get smitted with thunder/get sent to hell do not pass through go

>new testament
>fuck with god
>Jesus died for your sins so it's OK to be a tranny as long as you repent last minute.

>>133773995
HAHAHAHA FUCKING IDIOT

>>133774324
Pentateuch at large with it's mosaic code. Largely because it doesnt even apply nowadays. Such as Leviticus, Deuteronomy and so on. I personally like those actually in sense that they are essential for theology as rest of the Bible and you need them to understand several historical circumstances (For example, you may find it cruel, that Israelites had to exterminate several tribes and to understand reason of this, you must look at leviticus, where there are reasons described, such as child sacrifices, sacred prostitution and similar degeneracies), but if you are interested in mere history, its somewhat boring.
For beginners, you could stick with mere history, books of Samuel, kings, chronicles, Maccabees and so on. If you'll become more interested in theological aspects then you should delve into prophecies and law books

Eastern Orthodox seems like the best choice but there doesn't seem to be many of them in the US, and I hate the idea of confession.

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>>133774588
https://christchan.is/.static/globalRules.html

It's going to be awkward and weird. No matter what, that feeling is temptation, it is a devil. Now I don't mean a literal devil or demon but the thoughts that afflict the human mind are precisely the demons spoken of by our forefathers.

In that aspect the greatest service you can do for your character and moral behavior is to overcome this restriction. If the urge of church, of community is tugging on your soul release yourself of the burden and do it. Go to church, do it like a thunderbolt. Continue searching until one that satisfies your heart is found, a church is better then no church, just as a friend is better then no friends.

I grew up in a moderate church, it cut the line between new-age, evangelical, and traditional. As I aged I found theological errors and other inaccuracies and converted to Catholicism. When I am home I still visit the church from my adolescence and I know they are true and faithful but I can not bring myself to believe something that is not the fullness of the truth. This is all to say once you begin to have a firm faith explore the truth for that is your ultimate duty.

>>133774131

It means something pretty close (but not completely) to "have a friendship with".

We can all kind of feel that the world is fucked up, and that we are fucked up, even if we don't admit it to ourselves we know shit isn't right.

That's because we were created to know God, but the relationship between humans and God broke down, so we are just kinda drifting around in the world like friendless orphans.

Jesus, being God's son basically said "yeah, some shit definitely went down, but I'm gonna settle up the tab and white the slate clean so humans and God can be friends again.

Humans try to add a lot of rules and shit to it all, but what it comes down to is this: imagine the things in your life that do truly give you a taste of being deeply fulfilled, even if it's only for a fleeting moment. God created you, and he knows what makes you tick, he knows the stuff that brings you TRUE happiness, even stuff you haven't even figured out for yourself yet.

Having a friendship with God means he can actually show you that stuff, and it opens a doorway to being more deeply satisfied and fulfilled.

>>133774131
just read about theosis

>>133768336
You should go, I would avoid Catholic though as praying to the saints is a form of paganism. I grew up in a slightly charismatic church and it's nice for entertainment value, but not too many traditions and doesn't feel very deep, just lots of effervescent emotions like the bubbles of a champagne bottle. The best church I've found is non denominational, but I might try Orthodoxy to see what it's about.

I think the most important quality is if it bears fruit or not. Do the people feel like they can do whatever they want and not be judged? Probably not a good church. Do the people put lots of effort to repent, deliver each other in prayer, and obey God's commandments? Probably a good church.

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Every single cult/religion is a cancer to freedom.

>Encourage bandwagon behavior
>Narrows your general knowledge pool
>Incites hatred of non-believers..
>..Which eventually leads to violence
>Isolates the uneducated mind from opposing ideologies
>Requires your money to keep going

Some notable cults/religions :

>ISIS
>The Church
>ANTIFA
>Global Warming believers
>Liberals

So my question to you is this : what's missing from your life that you are desperate enough to seek going to a place where the educated and critical mind is not welcome?

Is it money? Religion only takes, but never gives.
Is it meaning? Religion will sell you THEIR idea of meaning.

What is it anon?

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>>133775681
>Every single cult/religion is a cancer to freedom.
You can argue anarchy is max freedom, but it really isn't because anybody can kill you while you're asleep or assault you with no consequences.

>>133774131
>I fucking hate the "let jeebus into your heart"
>What the fuck does that mean?
That the real deal leads to a life changing experience that involves strange sensations in the heart region and a sense of divine contact. That institutional (((religion))) doesn't have that, but teaches LARPing.

>>133775681
It is as though you never touched a single book that had a shread of truth in it.

Christianity, at the very least, aims and has always aimed to make man as free as he possibly can be. The greatest enslavers of mankind is non other then vice itself. Christianity aims to release you from the burden of error and wrong and free you to pursue goodness is every direction possible. This is precisely why Saints are so good in such vast and divergent directions.

If you were to argue that the likes of Plato, Aristotle, Augustine, Aquinas, or Christ were enslavers, then I beg of you to enlighten me. Otherwise why don't you crawl back to your life of pleasure, try psychedelics though I am sure your search for meaning in a chasm of meaninglessness would run much more efficiently.

>>133768336
I did what you did last week, I was never baptized, but am glad i went to the service in my town. It gave me such calm and clarity.

Trust your gut, it is the lord at work.

>>133776023
I have had more spiritual thrill during mass then I ever had when I was a WWJD Protestant.

Should I go to church even if I don't believe in God? I was raised baptist and saved when I was teenager but stopped believing years ago, haven't been in around 10 years except maybe with family on holidays. I went through a hardcore atheist phase, where I actually hated the church and what religion did to people, but now my views have changed and I think religion plays a vital role in life. I'm just unsure if I can go back to full on belief knowing what I know now. But something is drawing me back to it, whether the social aspect or what.

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>>133768336
Christianity is anti white

>>133775265
I understand, and thank you for your post but I have a question, how exactly do I start a friendship with God? Talk to me like I'm autistic, I want specifics, I'm getting close to that thanks to Jordan Peterson but I still can't stand the LARP, it doesn't have the intellectual background that jordan provides.

>>133776789
Remember the story of the prodigal son? It's pretty central that you can go back, even after you eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

You won't know whether or not you should if you don't try it and see.

In the UK you have a choice
>conservative new church full of Nigerians, packed every week
>Anglican church with a socially awkward young priest, tending to his flock of Mabel, Ethel and Esther.

>>133776789
Do not give false belief, do not go to Church for the sake of going to Church and tradition. Seek help, Christianity is for those who believe that Christ died for humanity's sins including yours, if you are not going to believe this then you are not saved. There are too many faux non believers who are okay with Christianity for society's benefits and traditionalism.

>>133776789
Read the ancients, Aristotle "Nicomachean Ethics", Plato "The Symposium". Then proceed to Augustine "Confessions". Once complete I would suggest Beothius "Consolation of Philosophy". My personal favorite is Chesterton's "Orthodoxy", "Heretics", "Everlasting Man", and if you want a light read you can at least try to complete and read "The Man Who Was Thursday".

I have come to the conclusion that Atheism is entirely logically and rationally impossible for me to ever believe. If you wanted another perspective, my girlfriend is also a former Atheist.

>>133777545
How can I stop being an atheist?

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>>133777195
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth. (John 4:24)

Also, I like to think of being in church 7 days a week, except 1 day out of the week is consecrated, for example I take an Internet fast by shutting off all electronics, unplug the Internet, and spend time with family, reading the Bible, and resting.

>Then He said to them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27)

Shop around...I want a good sermon now and again, but not indoctrination...

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>>133778056
“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). God has already done all of the work. All you must do is receive, in faith, the salvation God offers (Ephesians 2:8-9). Fully trust in Jesus alone as the payment for your sins. Believe in Him, and you will not perish (John 3:16). God is offering you salvation as a gift. All you have to do is accept it. Jesus is the way of salvation (John 14:6).

Faith without works is dead. This is why you need to repent of your sins, start reading the Bible cover-to-cover in the Spirit, and pray, pray and pray. Seek and you will find.

>So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:31-32)

>>133773263
under rated and helpful response here

>>133778056
>How can I stop being an atheist?
Meditate; when your body and mind go into a dormant state, you realize that they are not all of your existence.
Psalm 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

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>>133778426
Flowing Streams Church is pretty good
https://www.spreaker.com/show/flowing-streams-church

>>133768336
>do you think I should go?
No, it's a waste of time.
>>133768336
>Will church save me?
Of course not. God is not going to pay your bills. God is not going to watch you while you sleep. God is not going to help you find true love. God won't do a damn thing for you. He never has and He never will because He doesn't exist.

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>>133778551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKWS1-cHenc

>>133768336
Do it. Go as old and traditional as possible. So catholic. Latin mass is beautiful. There is always hope

T. Ex protestant Anglican then apostate now roman catholic

>>133772706
>>133773263
>>133773803
Thanks anons. I had to step away from the computer to get some work done, but the replies are read and appreciated. God bless you all.

>>133768336
Who needs to go to church when you can get all your preaching from the internet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksoYR7dVyfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRCVeqvZKt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j921XOqiQ7o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qX9dn1l4d8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxQHiGgFQ2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyizRJwnIkQ

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>>133768590
>protestant "church"

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

Op read this

And come back home

>>133768336
Only the catholic church will save you though. Anglicans aren't Catholic as they don't have apostolic succession. Also look at the fruits of their church with gay marriage and priests and women bishops n shieet. Also trannies get a special service to celebrate their sinful mental illness

>>133779163
this lad get it

>>133768948
Don't go to protestant churches. There's none of that new age faggotry in catholic mass. Only tradition and god

>>133779310
I just found an "Anglo-Catholic" Anglican church in my area that I'm going to try out. They do a traditional latin mass. 40 minute drive but seems worth it. I like aspects of the Catholic tradition but am not comfortable with the Vatican, Pope, confession, or the focus on Mary and the saints.

>>133778159
Well God is more than "Spirit", He is a real actual physical being, Father Son and Holy Ghost.

Being a Christian means living the life 24/7 and with the one day of Sabbath that is exalted as holy.

The comment I made initially is for those on /pol/ who believe in the goodness and traditionalism of Xianity but yet lack believing in Xianity and all of it's core dogma and tenets. There's just no point if you're not going to take that final step to salvation, those unbelievers do not have saving grace and are doomed to hell unless they repent and believe. The time is now, whoever does not believe please seek help, a coworker a friend, a true Church and a true Christian who walks and talks the way God commanded. Too many cults and false teachers out there, the real ones will distinguish themselves from the scams.

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Convert to Catholicism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO2NGGmWBQo&index=1&list=WL

every prottie should watch this vid

>>133773263
Do it. Convert. I say that as a roman catholic convert from church of england. You'll never look back

>>133773933
Roman or Constantinopolitan or oriental? Congrats!

THIS IS NOW A PAGAN THREAD--

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>>133779576
>but am not comfortable with the Vatican, Pope, confession, or the focus on Mary and the saints.

Well you need more catechism lessons and theological education

>>133774014
Orthodoxy is catholicism so it was implied

>>133770698
How would someone who isn't familiar with the religion/customs be accepted? I once went to an independent Baptist Church and cool wouldn't describe the reception from others. It was downright aggressive as if I were an unwelcome interloper.

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Why waste your time praying to a false god?

>>133779670
Works alone cannot guarantee salvation, that's where Jesus's sacrifice on the cross and God's infinite grace comes in. Because humanity is flawed with sin, the corrupt Roman Catholic Church does not believe this.

>>133775191
Confession is necessary for repentance and salvation. You'll learn to love it since you get to have your soul cleansed and be in gods grace again.

Go roman catholic then. Its the same church

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>>133779586
Yes, I meant to affirm your comment. God bless.

>>133780138
>Works alone cannot guarantee salvation,

You know God's mind and his plan for salvation?

there is no such a thing as guarantee salvation

>>133780023
This.

>>133776789
The holy spirit is drawing you back. It is always worthwhile in any situation to go to church

>>133780145
Lol, confession only to God himself, not to some flawed human preacher. Confession to fellow Christians does keep the Christian honest though to the congregation, but only confession to God himself counts. No check list sort of stuff ok, we have a living God who is merciful, talk to Him, Pray to Him, get to know more about the God who created us and this universe.

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>>133768336
Yes, Kek wills it.

>>133776950
You get baptised confirmed take Eucharist and then as one body in union as the church and body of Christ you are then one with God. Until you sin then you must go to confession

>>133780145
Except that church worships a false idol - the pope. Any other church is better than Roman Catholic.

>>133778056
By choosing not to be

>>133780586
I've never once worshiped the pope nor heard of such a thing. He's the CEO of the Vatican Corporation and City-State Lmd. Co. Inc. LLC.

>>133779905
My parents were raised Catholic and are bright, educated people, so it's not like I'm completely oblivious. Confession to a priest is a crock, and no way I'm putting my wife and daughter through that -- a female confessing her sins to some male outside the family.

>>133780500
>Lol, confession only to God himself, not to some flawed human preacher

lol so early christians were totaly heretical for doing this thanks to God protestantism happen and they fix it

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>>133780012
>I once went to an independent Baptist Church and cool wouldn't describe the reception from others. It was downright aggressive as if I were an unwelcome interloper.
I felt the same way and was bitter for a long time, then I read the Bible and realized that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I began to get in the Spirit and pray to Jesus Christ to help me grow as a Christian. I'm not going to speak out against going to church, if you can, you should. There's a time and place for everyone and there are other things you can do on your own to grow Spiritually. You can help the homeless, seek out your brothers and sisters that are in the streets, those that are suffering. There may even be a Christian ministry that does this type of stuff, you will meet some of the most humblest and down-to-earth people in those places. For example, the church I attended briefly held their Sunday morning service under an interstate highway bridge.

God doesn't exist. Go for the free food or for the company, if anything.

>>133780677
>He apparently sees himself as the rightful messenger of God to interpret His wisdom whichever way he decides depending on which side of the bed get wakes up from in the morning... The Holy Bible says nothing about any popes.

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>>133780827
Even militant atheist Richard Dawkins isn't 100% sure that God doesn't exist. On a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is absolute atheist, he considers himself a 9.

>>133779576
Anglo catholic is the best of the bad bunch. Read the writings of the church fathers at www.ccel.org. they all revered blessed virgin Mary and the angels and saints with god and recognised papal primacy

Try a catholic mass and you will see its beauty

>>133780966
There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest he does exist though.

>>133780138
Good thing the catholic church doesn't say work alone then

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>>133780991
Shouldn't they start by reading the Bible? Starting from the Book of Matthew?

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>>133781124
>There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest he does exist though.
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (Hebrews 11:1)

>>133780903
And he issues encyclicals about scientific matters like global warming.

I don't know who this guy thinks he is.

>>133780500
"Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" Jesus to the apostles. You cannot have your sins absolved if you don't go to confession

>>133781132
the captcha is not letting me reply, saying the system considers my posts spam

>>133768336
If you are retarded, church will help you.
If you aren't retarded, church will make you want to puke.

>>133768336

Just go and sit up the back and say hello to people and be nice.

>>133780723
You will see it differently if you have faith in Jesus and his church

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>>133781375
But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty. (1 Corinthians 1:27)

>>133768336
Yes, Christianity is the greatest redpill for opening your eyes to degeneracy.

>>133781303
Confession to some priest, or to God Himself. Decide, I never said confession was a bad thing as confession to fellow Christians in the congregation can hold the Christian responsible for reprimand or encouragement to the issue of sin at hand.

>>133781509
Case in point

>>133780903
You are peter and on this rock I shall found my church I give you the keys to heaven.

Acts has peter as head of the apostles. Peter founded the bishopric of Rome and gave his successor there his keys to heaven

>>133781157
Sure. Buy the eastern orthodox bible EOB. Then read the writings of the fathers

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>>133781636
>You are peter and on this rock I shall found my church I give you the keys to heaven.
That's referring to the catholic church, not the Catholic church we have, but the spiritual Body of Christ. The word "catholic" means universal. We are all one in Christ. Jesus Christ is at the head of this Church. There is a spiritual remnant of Spirit-filled Christians scattered across all the Christian denominations. Eventually, they will be driven underground.

>God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth. (John 4:24)

>>133781307
The capcha obviously recognises protestant rhetoric

>>133781875
>the spiritual Body of Christ
This.

>>133781832
We only have one Father, and He is in Heaven.

>And call no man on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. (Matthew 23:9)

>>133781551
You confess to god in the presence of the priest who has the apostolic power to absolve or hold your sins. The priest can help on how to overcome sin but can also excommunicate those who are fake in their repentance

Go to a Traditional Catholic Latin Mass - it's the only way. There are services in all major cities. The oratory in Brisbane and the FSSP church in Sydney are especially beautiful.

Churches will milk you financially.
Better to buy wine, fine food, love.

>>133781875
Except Jesus and the apostles founded and physical as well as spiritual church and the catholic church traces its line of apostolic succession back to the apostles

>>133782170
>Churches will milk you financially
You have to pay dues to belong to your club?

>>133781908
It would only let me reply when I did not put in a link to Luther's thought on grace. And the Roman Catholic Church is totally corrupt so you can stop that faux grandstanding right now. All the Churches of the world will be corrupted in the end times and the Roman Catholic Church is no exception. And the protestants are a mixed bag, most are cults and scams and shadows of what they used to be. As long as they hold to orthodox doctrine they are fine. The Church should be one and will be soon, but the Roman Catholic Church was destined to fall into the hand of Satan and you are blindly following for the sake of following.

>>133782068
What do you call the man that impregnated your mother?

>>133782326
Jesus wasn't lying when he said the gates of hell will not prevail against the church founded on peter

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>>133782260
You need to understand that the proper term for the "Roman Catholic church" is "Western Orthodox." Just because you have the word "catholic" in your name, doesn't make you the only authoritative church on this Earth. Haven't you forgotten about your Orthodox brothers? The (Eastern) Orthodox church also claims they are the only true church established by the apostles.

We Christians operate in the spiritual. We read and follow a supernatural book that has a talking donkey, splitting of a sea, and a Man that heals people and was raised from the dead. If you don't believe in the Bible, then what exactly are you?

Many so-called Christians, instead of the Holy Spirit, have a religious spirit inside of them, that blinds them. I'm not the one to accuse, but this is a real thing that Christians need to be aware of. We are one in Christ.

>My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me (John 10:27)

>>133782068
protestants are really stupid

call no man father
I guess you dont call your dad father too?

this quote is about pogans that used too call their gods father uun mother earth etc its not
about calling other man father

>>133782114
Yes I agree it is not wrong for a Christian to confess to a priest or to fellow members, the excommunication should come of course but the "Christian" was already excommunicated by God and some arguments would go that the Christian never was a true believer or that the Christian lost that eternal salvation by turning away.

Dedicate yourself to the coming Fuhrer - not some semitic hocus pocus from two thousand years ago

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>>133782566
I'm not protestant. I wouldn't mind going to Mass with my fellow Brother in Christ.

>>133782627
yes we need hocus pocus from 3000BH (before hitler)

>>133782346
What do you think?

>>133782560
Yessssss...

All Christians are one in the body of Christ.

Catholic means universal but it's origin and meaning has been diluted and hijacked by the Roman Catholic Church.

Orthodox means true doctrine.

>>133782560
Orthodoxy refers to theology not the title of the church. So now we are catholic. Easterners are catholics too. We are one holy catholic and apostolic church.

We believe in the bible. We wrote and gave you the bible.

>>133771390
Mental gymnastic 9/10
Peter is the head of the apostles. End

>>133782689
Shut the fuck up you idiot

They are heretics. This brotherhood crap you speak of is what caused the modern Catholic church to be so cucked

>>133779861

Roman!
The Catholic church is the true way.

>>133782992
Yes correct.

>>133783034
>They are heretics
>heretics
catholic church invented this word you know?

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>>133782992
>We believe in the bible. We wrote and gave you the bible.
No, the Bible is from God. The Word is God.

God merely used your institution a long time ago to get His Word compiled to print and out today as it is.

>John answered Him, “Teacher, we saw one who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he was not following us.”

>But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who does a miracle in My name can quickly speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is for us. (Mark 9:38-40)

>>133783060
Ahhhh semantics, of course the Catholic Church is the only way as it refers to the universal body of believers who are saved and follow the one and true Church of our living God. Catholic, has been hijacked by Roman Catholic, most Churches are fallen to the ways of the world and the one true Church remains alive and not forgotten.

>>133782613
Not quite. Excommunication is merely the apostolic power of binding sins on earth and in heaven that Jesus gave the apostles. Bishops and in their stead priests exercise this power and god accepts it because he granted it. Excommunication is not apostasy. It is merely the withholding of the Eucharist and signifying a break in the union with god. It is a wake up call for the sinner to do penance and seek true forgiveness.

>>133768336
how long till angry derails this thread calling everyone an idiot for being chrisitan

>>133782831
I think you call him dad or father

>>133768336
try reading the fucking bible you tard
bs from start to finish
>i want to have holy magickkkk
sorry no such thing exists at all
>save me
you are being blamed for being born
by bullshitters who are long dead
and that everything you do is bad
and that you must suffer
and give all your wealth
because there is no afterlife at all
and you will never be able to come back and do anything about being bullshitted.
dead ppl are forever barred from justice
they no longer exist
non-existent ppl can't tell those who still live anything like just how bullshit all that religion crap is in real life and real death
so, no, you're not going to get good advice from ppl who think magic is real and that all you need to do is believe that you suck, that you shouldn't have any money, and that you never should have been born in the first place.
that's the real deal - nothingness cannot be felt
so no worries about that
you should be more worried about what some crazy religitard will do to you and your children
beware of betrayals of trust
bullshitters are all about that, not "saving" you from anything, but betraying you any way they think they can get away with and you give them money because you don't care about truth but only for someone to figure out what to do and let you know

okay
don't bother going to some nasty building filled with delusional strangers who may be ready to kill you for "reasons".

>>133783308
John 1King James Version (KJV)
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

>>133783060
Nice. I thought you could only get confirmed in easter. How comes you're doing it early?

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>>133782998
We accuse you Roman Catholics use mental gymnastics to declare yours is the One True Church™ among other things. However, Eastern Orthodox also claim theirs is the one true church established by the Apostle Peter. Which is it?

I claim the catholic church is the Spiritual Body of Christ established by the Apostle Peter. No one Earthly church is the one true church. We cannot see the spiritual, Jesus said it is like the wind.

So then who is right? What is Truth?

>>133783308
The Word is Jesus not the bible. This is basic theology.

True god used his church and inspired the writers because they were worthy and holy

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>>133783716
>True god

>>133783504
He's talking about Jesus not the bible

>>133768336
I'm reading the sermons of St. Agustine. Pretty comfy. Well written, and right to the point.

Recommend me other required reading.

Yes go to church goyim
Tithe
Israel is a magic city full of God's chosen people your greatest ally!

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>>133783504
Amen.

>>133783359
Yes you are correct. I'm Missouri Synod Lutheran but now I go to a non dom associated with the Southern Baptists, what you think about that?

>>133783691
Were the same church. Just separated by egos

>>133783563
No, you can get confirmed at any time. I didn't really pick this date specifically for any reason. I was a lot like OP around 6+ months ago. I fell out with religion pretty hard as a teenager and didn't receive my confirmation at 14 like most do.

I just felt a beckoning from God to go back and pick up where I left off. It was such a forceful call that I'm now a parishioner at my church.

>>133783907
Well both are outside the catholic church as they both lack apostolic succession. I think you should join the catholic church

>>133768336
>Will church save me?

Not if it's Catholic. It's literally the Mystery Babylon of revelations, as the pope is the rightful ruler in the Babylonian Mystery religion.

It's sad too, because there are many good Catholics, but Christ himself commands them to 'come out of Babylon', yet still they cannot see. But Catholics never were much for reading.
They're basically the kind of people who expect to be rewarded for simply doing as their told.

Which explains why Europe is the way it is today. That shit worked it's way into the genes.

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>>133783930
I agree. But there are many goats and wolves among the sheep. Not everybody who says Lord, Lord will go to Heaven. Christians really need to get in the Spirit and read their Bibles.

>>133784045
Ah I have to do Rcia even though my priest knows I know all the theology. Would love to get confirmed now but there is something special about getting confirmed at easter vigil after Lenten fasting and meditations

>>133784094
If the Roman Catholic Church was what it once was, say 100 or 200 years ago then sure. But like so many others the Church has fallen to the ways of the world and now Pope Francis (anti Christ), I just try to hold to orthodox theology. Keep the sacraments which are crucial which the "protestant" Church has gone too far in their views on the Holy Eucharist among many others.

>>133783691
>No one Earthly church is the one true church.
Anon gets it.

>>133784141
No I mean orthodox and Rome are the same church. Everyone not in the roman eastern oriental or Assyrian church are not part of the catholic church

>>133772236
This

>>133783691
I believe He wants an organized congregation of believers. A single church (earthly, an ekklesiam means assembly, so it's pretty physical). And one creed.

I can understand, however, the many criticisms that this implies for the protestants and orthodox.

Regarding biblical Christianity, what is heresy? Second Peter 2:1 says, “There will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.” From this verse, we see that heresy is anything that denies the teaching of Jesus. In 1 Corinthians 11:19, Paul takes the church to task for having heresies among them—heresies that led to schisms in the body. These verses touch on both aspects of what constitutes heresy in the church: denying the doctrines God has given, and dividing the body He has created. Both of these are dangerous, destructive actions that are soundly rebuked by Scripture. See also 1 John 4:1-6; 1 Timothy 1:3-6; 2 Timothy 1:13-14; and Jude 1.

NO PLACE IN HEAVEN FOR HERETICS AND NON BELIEVERS!

True Christians in the Catholic (universal) one true Church who follow the Word of God in the Bible will be saved not by the good works they have done, but by the sacrifice of Christ for humanity's sins and God's infinite grace, we are saved. Amen.

>>133784398
Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against his church built on peter. No matter what you think about Francis, the church will survive for it is protected and guided by the holy spirit. There is no orthodox theology outside of the church for orthodox theology requires one to submit and put your faith in the church

>>133769025
why?

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>>133784457
You need to understand there is a spiritual realm. If you don't believe in it, then that's your problem and God will deal with you accordingly. Not everybody who says Lord, Lord will make it to Heaven. Do you know Jesus and more importantly, does Jesus know you? I'm not saying leave your Roman Catholic church or Orthodox church, but you need to realize that your religion alone cannot save you. In fact, I'm more concerned about Protestants and non-denominational. There's a lot of false pastors and teachers among their crowd like Joel Osteen and Benny Hinn leading their congregation down to the pit. I hope this makes sense, I'm not accusing you nor your traditions. I respect your traditions. I wouldn't mind going to Mass with a brother in Christ. I'm not a religious person, I'm a spiritual person. This is why God tells us to get in the Spirit and Seek Him and read the Bible cover-to-cover. Hope this helps.

>>133784273
Use RCIA as a time to learn more and grow in Christ!

I didn't have to do RCIA because I was baptized as an infant and I made my first communion+reconciliation as a child. All I really had to do was send over my baptism records and schedule a time. I would have been more than happy to attend RCIA though. I'm honestly very rusty on theology and need to brush up. I'm self-teaching and just paying attention at mass.

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>>133784689
You are literally putting your faith in a human-created institution instead of in a spiritual body of faithful believers as Christ intended and as is conveyed in the Bible.

>>133784689
Yes the one true Church will survive false teachers and serpents among them. And the Church is beyond petty political ideals and aspirations of it's day, but when the Roman Church changed for the worse with idol worship and deep engrained pedophilia and many many false teachers, they have abused their power and have led many astray. Do you believe the current Roman Catholic Church is the Church of Philadelphia, the last of the 7 Churches of the world that remained true? I do not believe this btw.

>>133784928
>just paying attention at mass
That takes about four years since it just goes on repeat after that. I guess those are some of the key parts to start with though.

Maybe you could ask to sit in on RCIA if you're curious what they're telling the converts. I never thought of that before, but I bet it's interesting.

>>133784891
I believe in heaven. The physical church militant is connected through Jesus and the holy spirit to the spiritual church where the father resides. But to access the spiritual church you must be part of the physical body of Christ and share in the Eucharistic feast. That is the only way to be in union with god.

I highly recommend latin mass. It is beautiful and divine

>>133785103
When I signed up to be parishioner I actually offered to volunteer with RCIA among other stewardship opportunities. I'm sure it will be helpful to understand it without all the background noise on the Internet.

>>133784891
Yes for the most part, but as Christians we belong to the body of believers and are told not to be lone wolfs. The Church is God's house and we it's congregation of believers.

>>133784928
Yeah I'm glad to do rcia as there are something's I probably don't know like what prayers we should be doing. I'm just desperate to be in union with god in the Eucharistic feast

>>133785458
>signed up to be a parishioner
>stewardship opporunities
wat m8?

Tell us more about this please. Churches vary quite a bit.

>>133785018
Jesus may have been a human but he was also god. Jesus created this institution

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>>133785348
>>133785488
Thanks, we have a Christian chan which just started today and also a discord server if you guys are interested. Invite is in pic related. God bless.

https://christchan.is/

>>133768336
>Will church save me?
Only Jesus can. He is the way, the truth and the life.

>>133785649
>https://christchan.is/
thx anon, just logged on

>>133785622
Jesus created the spiritual body of believers -- the faithful who congregate together. That is His church. Humans created the Roman Catholic church.

>>133785076
Roman catholic church condemns idol worship and pedophilia. Yes Jews and masons infiltrated the church using their peso and homo puppets to try to destroy it but the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

I have no idea what you mean with your last questions

>>133785686
The Church will not save you, only Jesus can. But as Christians we belong to the Church.

>>133785586
I belong to the parish of my Catholic church. I go to the same one always because my parents and grandparents went there.

You have to fill out an application to be a parishioner, which is when you pledge how much you will tithe. You don't particularly have to tithe. They won't bar you from the parish if you don't. BUT if you don't tithe, they expect you to participate in stewardship (helping at fish fries, RCIA volunteering, church maintenance, ect). I just elected to do both.

>>133785893
Jesus literally ordained peter as prime minister of the church and then ordained the apostles as ministers to go out and build his church. It is a physical not just spiritual church

Read the writings of the church fathers. They talk about this

>>133785895
http://sojournfairfax.com/resources/sermons/graciously-hard-words/

This is the latest sermon from my Church.

What I meant in my last question is do you believe that the Roman Catholic Church has remained true to God and has not swayed with any of it's teaching or it's leaders? The answer would be obviously yes and of course yes with the "protestant" Churches. I'm not trying to one up you're Church, I'm just trying to point out that the Roman Catholic Church has swayed and that the one true Church is out there.

>>133785895
http://sojournfairfax.com/about-us/what-we-believe/

This is what it means to be a Christian to me.

>>133768336
The best place to meet girls in college is the library.
The best place to meet girls for life.. Church.

>>133786228
>doesn't tithe for coffee in the back after the mass
OKAY SATAN I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE

>>133786269
The catholic church has not swayed but it has grown and with greater knowledge and insight been able to define dogma and theology and mature.

God protects his body from error

>>133786468
Those donuts and fish fries don't pay for themselves ;).

I'm happy to serve my church and my Lord.

>>133780723
>My parents were raised Catholic and are bright, educated people, so it's not like I'm completely oblivious.
>Confession to a priest is a crock, and no way I'm putting my wife and daughter through that -- a female confessing her sins to some male outside the family.

yep, I'm with you on that one buddy.

>>133786448
True, that is to find any young people yet alone children at Church has been a struggle for the ones that follow orthodox theology. People tend to come back to Church when their older and realized they messed up and need Jesus.

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>>133786633
>donuts and fish fries
top checked

>>133786549
So what do you call indulgences? This is one of the reasons that triggered the avalanche of what is today. And what about the apocrypha.

>>133786549
Also what is the reason as to why preachers can't get married and have a family, the leadership just arbitrilly made up the rule and this has resulted in sexual frustration of preachers who can't control themselves and molest children. In the Bible those who cannot control their sexual urges are called to have a family to deal with that, but the Roman Catholic Church decided differently than that of the Bible.

>>133786549
And secret societies and money runs the Vatican. It's hypocrisy to the fullest in the Vatican.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican37.htm

http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.com/

>>133787332
What's interesting is how how many
>U MUST GOD NAO OR ELSE
types post, there's never a discussion of relevant things like why or why not they should remain unmarried.

I mean, we could get in to interesting discussions, like the earlier question about what the heart really means. It wouldn't even have to be for or against Christianity.

>>133787740
Yes let's go into detail about this one, the Bible obviously says to get married if one cannot control their sexual urges but what do the Roman Catholics teach, the exact opposite.

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>>133784891
>be me, come out of shitty situation
>given a bible, read it cover to cover
>start a real relationship with god, purely on his word
>google some questions that I have and basically just read a shitload of literary works around religion and philosophy and build my knowledge from there
>come online and see Catholics shitting on Protestants and Baptists for not recognizing a religious authority other than Jesus Christ

Church politics is dumb. the spiritual realm is not black and white. you aren't going to hell for misinterpreting a line in the bible, just like you aren't going to hell for going to a different Church on Sunday.

>>133787981
I'm not a part of the church so I can only tell you my anecdotes.

I was taught that marriage is one of the sacraments, and a necessary precursor to sex. What exact opposite are you talking about?

>>133768336

Do it nigga. Align yourself with the moral and spiritual foundation of western civilization. I went to church (catholic) for the first time in years last Sunday and it was a nice time. Spending an hour a week at least in a place devoid of degeneracy is an incredible investment.

>>133788202
Marriage is not considered part of the "2" sacrements but Christians are called upon to marry. For those who cannot control their sexual urges they are told to get married to control and satisfy those urges because humans are created as sexual beings with these urges. The Roman Catholic Church prohibits priests to be married. This is the exact opposite.

>>133775949
How the fuck is that a reply to my comment? I'm not talking about individual freedom, I'm talking about intellectual freedom. Freedom to think

>>133776324
>Christianity aims to release you from the burden of error and wrong and free you to pursue goodness is every direction possible

What are the crusades if not forced implementation of a cult?

You call that goodness?

What about the people who didn't want anything to do with your cult, did they manage to pursue goodness after your cult was done with their countries?

>>133788406

The spiritual and moral foundation of Western civilization is what is destroying it. What made the Western powers great was it's focus on rationalism, unrelenting colonialism and exploitation of resources.

Never forget - Your body and soul and mind is the temple of the living God.

You are sacred, act like it.

>>133788572
I don't know what you're so uptight about. Go marry a girl and fuck her brains out and make babies.

You are asking the wrong questions my man...

Ask not what meaning is there in the world or life,

tell that world what it means, make your life mean something.


Some churches are decent collections of people making the world better... some are cucks... try it and see, dont ask pol

The church is good on a local/regional level, but is just a different kind of globalism right now

>>133788765
I'm not uptight anything, I was answering some questions from this anon and a blatant contradiction from this Roman Catholic. That's all.

>>133768336
>way to drop the pessimistic attitude and start seeing the world in a different light.
>Will church save me?
God and his word the Bible are the ones that will save you, not the church.

>>133788765
>make babies
>life sentence of random dna expression
>we need more babies to rape
>be like god, create helpless creatures you can torture and experiment on
>plus gibs us ur moneee
>let us touch your childrennnn i mean teach proper valuuusssszzzzssssss

die snek

>>133789086
Repent now unbeliever. Before it's too late.

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>>133789086
I what living life like this is like mate. It sucks and I'm stuck in it.

>>133769434
You don't have to believe to go to church. If it's the right place and it's important to you then you will be welcomed there. Hopefully you will start on a new journey when you go anon.

>>133786256
I get my information about Jesus from the Bible, not the writings of some humans who lived around the same time.

Atheism and attacking Christianity is inherently jewish.

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>>133779866
>Archived with 8 replies
Your Fagan threads can't survive without Varg and his 2 autistic faggots samefag spamming 50 post+ per thread, each.

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For anyone wondering, I just came back from the service.

It was great, everyone was really friendly and quick to introduce themselves. I met a few pastors and told them of my situation.. One of them took half an hour to sit down with me and explain how it was god's original plan for his son to die for us.

I can't stress enough how good the sense of community is there. I will be returning next week to learn more.

Thanks for the push anons, I really needed it.

If anyone has any questions let me know.

>>133791791
I have a question. How are there multiple pastors?

>>133768336
Sure, go, if you want to be told by the priest that it is your moral duty to adopt niggers from Africa. At least that is how my last visit to (((church))) went.

>>133791972
There were some sitting in the seats attending the service. Some worked at schools, some from other places, i didn't really ask.

One was sitting behind me and we talked about Corinthians 12:14- 13:10 after the head pastor spoke to the room about it.

>>133768590
fpbp

>>133768336
You don't have to go to mass or a sermon, that's fucking boring and retarded. Going and sitting and listening to some faggot recite gospel isn't going to make you feel any better, it isn't going to make your life any better, and it isn't going to make God like you any more.

I only ever go to church when I'm feeling down or lonely or conflicted and I like to go when I know there aren't going to be many people there -- just for a few minutes to sit in silence. It's meant to be a place of quiet reflection not a place to congregate every week for no reason. The only reason churches are big is for religious ceremonies and occasions like Christmas and Easter. Sunday Church is a fucking retarded idea and anyone who does it is a fucking retarded faggot who doesn't understand God or religion or the true purpose of a church.

>>133792381
Everyone was really friendly, I was welcomed there like I was one of them.

I am happy to go back to one of the few places that doesn't subconsciously judge me for being a "white male."

>>133774548
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18

>>133768948
>how to get past awkward borderline gay for jesus rejects
Simple. Don't subscribe to the cookie cutter McChurch model and practice your faith on your own terms, idiot.

>>133792381
Just sounds like you don't go to a good church or have a good priest. If being there really bothers you that much you should find somewhere else to go.

>>133791791
Good for you anon glad you liked it!

>>133792617
Take your shittiness elsewhere, anon. This thread is obviously for respectful, sincere believers. Asking questions about faith and the church are part of the process.

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>>133792820
Thanks mate it was definitely worth it :)

Such a calm sense, the people were so inviting.

Living in the city, I'm so used to people's lack of trust and friendliness to their fellow man.

It was refreshing.

>>133792782
>he doesn't understand the true solemn and contemplative nature of the church as it was genuinely meant to be
>has only ever know Church™

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>>133768948
Go Catholic anon. Beautiful singing to organ music, beautiful artwork and statues to direct your prayers, and the only place to get valid Sacraments. Just don't recieve Communion until you get caught up on re-Baptism and Confession, that would be blasphemy.

>>133768590
Sola fide is satanic. Change from the KJV so you can actually understand the Gospel.

>>133768336
Will you go to Heaven when you die? Here’s a quick test: Have you ever lied, stolen, or used God’s name in vain? Jesus said,
“Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
If you have done these things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart,
and the Bible warns that one day God will punish you in a terrible place called Hell.
But God is not willing that any should perish. Sinners broke God’s Law and Jesus paid their fine.
This means that God can legally dismiss their case:
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death. Today, repent and trust Jesus, and God will give you eternal life as a free gift.
Then read the Bible daily and obey it. God will never fail you.

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>following a middle eastern religion made by shit skins
Convert to Paganism, watch thulean perspective

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>>133795657
How's following a Muslim toe sucker going?

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