What does pol think about noam chomsky?

He isn't even a linguist.

>>133743963
What do you mean?

>>133743646
Good at linguistics, embarrassing at everything else.

>>133743646
he's the alex jones of the left

>>133743646
He's one of those few guys that make you think maybe the US citizens aren't all doomed to be shallow thinking retards after all

leftist gatekeeper

>>133743646
he attacks left & right.

>anarchist

least he knows what anarchism is. not like antifa marxists who claim to be anarchists.

>>133744171
Not a single discovery, not even a foreign language learnt. Probably his function is to control the field from those who can unveil their lies.

>>133743646

>muh capitalism is evil

sells ton of books making a lot of money

>muh propaganda is evil

sells ton of commie propaganda to teenagers

Also, he got really triggered about Steven Pinker's book Better Angels of our Nature and sperged out about how it is bullshit only because it contradicts his stupid anarcho-faggy views about how savages are peaceful and muh it's all fault of society.

>>133743646
I agree with Moldbug he is blue pill soaked in red. Obviously a genius though

Kissed the ring of Hassan Nasrallah

He's a despicable backslider

>>133743963
>>133744287


Uhhh?

I used to like him a lot but haven't listened to anything from him in years. That was before I was redpilled so I have a feeling I won't like him anymore

>>133745069

He has a high IQ because he is ashkenazi, just like (((Moldbug))). But he uses his intelligence in the most jewish way possible: selling commie propaganda to teenagers.

>>133744996
You can you to current tribal societies and see how peaceful they are infact.

>>133744800
>Known for:
"Colorless green ideas sleep furiously"
Axiom of categoricity
Bought priesthood
Cartesian linguistics
Chomsky Normal Form
Chomsky hierarchy
Chomsky–Schützenberger theorem
Cognitive closure (philosophy)
Context-free grammar
Context-sensitive grammar
Corporate media
Deep structure and surface structure
Deterministic context-free grammar
Digital infinity
E-Language
Elite media
Empty category principle
Extended Projection Principle
Formal democracy
Formal grammar
Generative grammar
Government and binding
I-Language
Immediate constituent analysis
Innateness hypothesis
Intellectual responsibility
Language acquisition device
Levels of adequacy
Linguistic competence
Linguistic performance
Logical Form (linguistics)
M-command
Markedness
Media manipulation
Mentalism (philosophy)
Merge (linguistics)
Minimalist program
Non-configurational language
[... cont]

Several of the concepts were created by him. He ONLY has three things named after him, though.

https://www.quora.com/What-languages-does-Noam-Chomsky-speak-in-addition-to-English

According to the information above he has a good understanding of an additional couple of languages.

I think he's completely wrong but I find him refreshing in that if you ask him why he believes what he believe you'll get an actual answer rather than muh feelz

>>133745415
Parasitic gap
Phonology
Phrase structure grammar
Phrase structure rules
Plato's Problem
Poverty of the stimulus
Principles and parameters
Projection Principle
Propaganda model
Psychological nativism
Recursion in language
Scansion
Second-language acquisition
Self-censorship
Specified subject condition
Speech community
Statistical language acquisition
Structure preservation principle
Subjacency
Symbol (formal)
Tensed-S condition
Terminal and nonterminal symbols
Trace erasure principle
Transformational grammar
Transformational syntax
Universal grammar
X-bar theory

>>133744444
>this

>>133745069
who is moldbug?

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>>133745331

so peaceful:

>>133745415
>>133745439
And which of those is truly a discovery and not some fake science. Honestly I didn't research him thoroughly, but in a previous thread I asked what was so great about him and nobody could name one thing in particular.
Listening to his speaches I didn't find him challenging enough to consider him a great mind either.

>>133745711

the guy who own this blog:

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com.br/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives.html

he is a reactionary capitalist

>>133745764

>There is strong evidence that pinker's book is incorrect for virtually all of human history. See Brian Ferguson, Douglas Fry, and others. On the modern period, see the review by Edward Herman and Edward Peterson, on Znet.

From chomsky himself. I emailed him. He has a public email.

>>133745889
/r/iamverysmart

>>133745889
what thread? is it deleted?

>>133746082
Oh fuck off back to your cunt site.

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Literally /ourkike/, btfo's antifags and blm

>>133746247
>poo

>>133746082
Just name it. I don't care what was the memes-noone-knows he created in his field, most of humanities are not even science, they can cross-quote and jerk to eachother whatever they want, but still when you go to a foreign country you learn their language in couple of years, when you learn it with such professors, it takes you up to five years after which you don't know it as good as you could.
Here's your random level of linguistic discussions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ziu2ygE_Wc

>>133746140
years ago

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>>133744495
Yes, but the burgers can't see it; One of the few people who empirically points out the hypocrisy of the US in it's foreign policy.

>Dictator or democracy; We will kill you unless you let us fuck you

Love Zizek and his battles.

>>133746050

I don't know about valid refutations of Pinker's work. Hard to belive that today's tribes are much much more violent than all tribes in the past. Also, Pinker is a very serious scientist while Chomsky is a clear ideologue, so I have a bias.

also:

"Fry explores Keeley's argument in depth and counters that such sources erroneously focus on the ethnography of hunters and gatherers in the present, whose culture and values have been infiltrated externally by modern civilization"

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>"muh it's da white men that is making the savages violent"

that's the fucking agument.

>>133743646
based

>>133745195
Who wouldn't?
>BASED Nasrallah

>>133743646
I like his BTFO of public education as indoctrination

>>133743646
Typical of someone who's never left a university precinct.

>>133743646
Overrated do nothing.

>>133746708

Do you, India bro, understand that those people unironically belive that all tribe violence of today is caused by the "intervention of the white man". Even tho those tribes are much more violent than the actual "modern white man" the theory still makes sense in their damaged heads for purely ideological reasons.

>>133743646
to be gassed

>>133743646
Overrated jew that built his career on sophistry.

>>133743646

He's right about some things and wrong about others.

>>133744495
Confirmed shallow retard
This man is known as a joke who appeals to thr dumbest of the dumb

gusy who is jaques fresco
he died recently and one of my friends who leans commie a little idolized him
is he a cuck or what?

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Here's what (((they))) do in linguistics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdUbIlwHRkY
They show how different languages are. Everybody feels they're different, but the thing is they actually are NOT.
> in (language name) you can say "walks in the store" meaning "he walks in the store" - you cannot do it in english
divide et empera, that's what they do.
As one based semi-jew told me: russians are somewhat belorussians, belorussians are somewhat ukrainians, ukrainians are somewhat polish, polish are somewhat czech, czech are somewhat germans, germans are somewhat dutch, dutch are somewhat english - FUCK THAT - they're going to place shitskins all across this place.

>>133747157
Im sure youve read about the wars of europe. They destroyed the continent repeatedly. This was the same stury till the nuclear age. The fighting in the rest of the word was essentially ritualistic and more like a game than modern standards. You have to consider european violence before you make comparisions.

Also that quote does not imply what you think that it implies.

>>133747318
this desu senpai

>>133743963
False. He's such a good linguist that he has convinced you he's a SME on several subjects. His esoteric grammar and verbosity give the illusion that he's giving a meaningful, substantive answer, when in fact he's talking in circles and completely obfuscating any semblance of an argument.

>>133743646
old self-hating faggot

>>133747887
>consider european violence
Why? It's no worse than any other sort of violence

>>133743646
Highly overrated. With regards to left wing thinkers, Zizek is better. Chomsky is basically just a basic bitch progressive faggot.

>>133743646

He's a smart socialist, meaning he's disingenuous. For example, he calls himself an anarchist but he's against gun ownership:

http://www.spunk.org/texts/writers/chomsky/sp001178.txt

"It's pretty clear that, taken literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit people to have guns. But laws are never taken literally, including amendments to the Constitution or constitutional rights. Laws permit what the tenor of the times interprets them as permitting.

But underlying the controversy over guns are some serious questions. There's a feeling in the country that people are under attack. I think they're misidentifying the source of the attack, but they do feel under attack.

The government is the only power structure yhat's even partially accountable to the population, so naturally the business sectors want to make that the enemy -- not the corporate system, which is totally unaccountable. After decades of intensive business propaganda, people feel that the government is some kind of enemy and that they have to defend themselves from it.

It's not that that doesn't have its justifications. The government is authoritarian and commonly hostile to much of the population. But it's partially influenceable--and potentially very influenceable--by the general population.

Many people who advocate keeping guns have fear of the government in the back of their minds. But that's a crazy response to a real problem. "

>>133747561
guys plz answer
all his videos are too long i need a quick rundown

>>133748046
Yes it was. If you look at the wars of the africans and indegenous americans. you will see that it was intensely ritualistic. They treated it like a game. The whole world was in awe of what europeons were doing to each other. Cant remember the sources. Its there in AOE2 and extrahistory. Im not a historian really tho you can also check up chomsky's books like year 501.

>>133747887
It does, their theory is simply: savage violence spiked because of the contact with the civilized men. They can put some makeup on it, but that's still the core idea. And when they say "civilized men" they're talking about european whites.

The graph in

>>133745764

is counting both world wars, and still the savages are making the "civilized white men" look like a bunch of angels. Also, even tho the europeans "destroyed the continent repeatedly" they are at least capable of building it and re-building it, different from the savage tribes that did all this crazy violence using only spears and arrows.

>>133748009
This

>>133743646
Articulate speaker. Could convince you that shit was gold. Too wrapped up in his own dogma, I think.

>>133743646
Jon Stewart/Steven Colbert type, only for college students instead of high school kids.

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>>133743646
that's dave thomas

>>133748009
this is it

>>133743646
Retard who thinks that a degree in linguistics makes him an authority on EVERYTHING. When his opinion has value only in the field of linquistics. He is a loudmouth who displays his ignorance at every opportunity.

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>>133748311
>>133747561

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>>133745889
Didn't he discover and graph how the brain structures sentences? Or did someone before him figure it out? That's about all I learned about him in college.

>>133748713

Chomsky destroyed Harris by avoing to make the distinction between violence for good and bad reasons in a famous debate. Harris tried to defend the US by saying that it's violence in the ME was for good causes(yes, it was as stupid as it sounds) and Chomsky just destroyed this argument by considering that violence by itself is bad and that violence for "good reasons" is still bad because you can't claim that your individual motive is the right one. So by this logic, "ritualistic" violence is as bad as european violence, you can't claim that sacrificing someone to some stupid sun god in a gruesome ritual is better than killing muslims or protestants in name of Jesus.

I don't even like my argument, but basically the idea is: stop saying that killing is good if you're doing it for some stupid sun god.

>>133743646
Elite styled education, therefore frankfurt school marxism ideology ingrained.

He got btfo by Slavoj Zizek "sniffle* simply because Noam Chomsky didn't build his career on percieving hidden messages in film and medi which governs American psyche and common morality in post christianized society.

>>133748713
Wrong, there was cannibalism, tribal warfare, etc
And why would I only look at Africa? India, Mesopotamia- both bloodbaths

>>133748713

Also, can witch-hunt done by protestants be considered "ritualistic" violence? So it was better than the war violence during ww2?


So gain,
it's simply "muh da white man", that's what those fucktards belive and will use all kind of shenanigans to defend.

>>133744996
>Also, he got really triggered about Steven Pinker's book Better Angels of our Nature and sperged out about how it is bullshit only because it contradicts his stupid anarcho-faggy views about how savages are peaceful and muh it's all fault of society.

Many other people who have nothing to do with Chomsky or his ideas have published rebuttals to Pinker's book, including Nassim Taleb and Stefan Blankertz. Taleb called Pinker a science entertainer.

http://tomwoods.com/ep-743-has-the-state-reduced-violence/

>>133743646
Father of modern linguistics.

Also he said a bunch of political nonsense that no one takes seriously.

>>133749339

intelligent evil jewish teenage indoctrinator being BTFO by crazy stpid slav commie grampa.

sorry if I don't belive that this happened.

>>133748727
But why would we make the state vs non-state distinction in terms of violence?

>>133749314
Chomsky didn't destroy shit.

Chomsky just didn't want to admit that intentions matter and violence is necessary. Stabbing you on purpose and stabbing you by accident has very different consequences. In one of these scenarios I might actually call an ambulance after I stabbed you by accident, and the community doesn't have to fear that I'll stab them in the future. In the other scenario, I should be locked up cause I am dangerous and tempted.

And on violence: A pacifist that walks by as a good person gets raped right in front of him is pure evil and can't claim the moral high-ground. If you have the capacity to stop evil and you don't, you are arguably evil yourself.

>>133750219
yes, I don't agree with the guys. Was just pointing that by his own logics there should be no distincton between "ritualistic violence" and "european violence".

>>133745210
I was obsessed with Chomsky a year ago. Then I went 1488 and came here and all that shit, and now he's just kind of boring. I actually watched one of his talks today for the first time in forever. He's not bad on some things, I appreciate the anti-statist philosophy he pushes. He's just a utopian commie at the end of the day. His linguistic work and its impacts on psychology and computer science are far far more valuable than his activism.

>>133750219
chomsky has condoned several wars and invasions as necessary.

but how do i know your intentions. how do i know whats going on your head. when we make mindreading devices then ill start following harris

>>133749314
>Chomsky just destroyed this argument by considering that violence by itself is bad and that violence for "good reasons" is still bad because you can't claim that your individual motive is the right one.
>invading Nazi Germany was just as bad as muh 6 gorillion because the application of violence is universally wrong, regardless of the preconditions
If confronted with that implication, he would double talk his way out of it like the jew rat he is.

>>133743646

And he's a defender of the Federal Reserve too. He replied to someone that we need to abolish capitalism first before we can consider abolishing the banking cartel known as the Federal Reserve.

http://www.corbettreport.com/meet-noam-chomsky-academic-gatekeeper-video/

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/12/noam-chomsky-defends-central-banking.html

http://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2013/12/18/noam-chomsky-on-the-federal-reserve/

Can anyone think of a more capitalistic institution than a banking cartel that creates money and lends it to the government at interest?

Chomsky is an apologist for statism dressed up in an anarchist costume.

>>133750694
chom is not a fucking pacifist. hes condoned several wars and invasons

>>133750408
Oh I agree with that part. I just don't agree with Chomsky when he acts like George Bush is just as evil as say, Bin Laden. George Bush may have killed more people, but George's intentions are completely different. If George had his way the entire middle east would be filled with McDonalds and starbucks. If Bin Laden had his way everyone would be living under Sharia law.

>>133750847
Yes, he condoned Pol Pot and his communist massacre in Cambodia.

>>133750847
Then he's a double talking jew rat. If he told Sam Harris that violence is equal and cannot be considered "good" under any circumstances, he was lying like a faggot to score cheap points in an argument.

>>133750687
Well, one of the ways is to look at past behaviour. What did the US do with Japan after they hit them with the atomic bomb? Instil Sharia law?

>>133750979
This shit again. It been debunked repeatedly. He diny deny any genocide. He was just sceptical about the figures in the beginning.

>>133745764
do you happen to have the name of the paper?

>>133745307
at least moldbug isn't a fan of his (((Cathedral))), unlike chomsky and his fashionable intellectual anarchism

>>133751248

>"He was just sceptical about the figures"

just like /pol/, there are no holocaust deniers on /pol/, just healthy scepticals.

>>133751403

>In the beginning.

Dont break my sentences.

>>133747561
He certainly had an interesting idea of a utopia, but that's about it. His dream was to build cities that make sustainable resources and then they will spread the resources around between each other as needed. All this will be handled by a computer system. As I understand humans would still make the laws and whatnot, but the computer would strictly handle the allocation of resources.

It's been a long time since I watched it, memory's a little fuzzy.

>>133751288
if you're referring to that chart, it's something pinker uses in https://www.amazon.com/Better-Angels-Our-Nature-Violence/dp/0670022950 and ted talks on the subject. It's made a lot of people mad, especially the noble savage believers. You get a lot of interesting "not real socia--err hunter-gatherer society" arguments

>>133746687
>One of the few people who empirically points out the hypocrisy of the US in it's foreign policy.

That's the only thing he was ever good at. Back in the 1970s-80s he would have been useful for that kind of information but now we have the internet so he's outdated anyway.

>>133750802
His opinions seem to be:
>we need to go full anarcuck utopia
>but until we attain this unrealizable state of being, we must [mainstream democrat shilling]
In other words, pro dem shill with an impossible ideology floating in the background to maintain "outsider" status

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>>133751974

Anarchists hate him, jewish guy uses something called data to prove that svages were actually savages.

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>>133751051
Well the first thing they did was steal all the nookie.

Japan may have done better as an unaligned nation.

Lenin institued an authoritatrian regime after orchestrating a coup. That did do alot of good if you look at the figures.

Osama also dint impose sharia anywhere

>>133752085

oh my God, are you saying that the divine super intelligent (((Chomsky))) is just a jewish democratic shill that makes a ton of money selling communist propaganda to teenagers?

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>>133744444
>leet quints

Noam Chomsky is Bill Hicks.

>>133752382
But why would we distinguish between state and non-state violence in such a simplistic way. How does that help us?

>>133743646
I only know of his linguistic stuff from a Languages, Automata and Computation course at uni.

>>133752085
Ok this is half true.

But chomsky hates the democrats. He's exposed their lies again and again.

>>133752671

yes and....

>>133751974
I found the source, it's Keeley's 'War Before Civilization: the Myth of the Peaceful Savage'.

I was curious as to the methodology that got these numbers. Personally I think 'tribal warfare is more deadly per capita than modern warfare' is a no-brainer, but I still need to see how the case was put together.

>>133744444
Quints will never go unchecked

>>133753019

"tribal warfare is more deadly per capita than modern warfare' is a no-brainer"

why would you think that? Why would constant war that never ends and is a important part of the lives of most tribe folk be less deadly than occasional wars in Europe?

>>133752427
You really think Osama wouldn't if he could? The dude laid out his plans on video all the time. Why we assume he was a nicer guy than he presented himself to be I'll never understand.

The US has fucked up in the past for sure, but the US is ashamed of its black marks, ISIS and friends, on the other hand, celebrate this shit. They love killing civilians, it makes them happy. These are two very different kinds of civilizations.

>>133753356
>>133753019

if you change "per capita" by "in total" you have a point.

>>133748009
>when in fact he's talking in circles and completely obfuscating any semblance of an argument.

not to mention the fact that he lies by omission, that's the oldest trick ever

>>133753356

Observing the Narragansett-Pequot wars, Roger Williams remarked that their fighting was "farre less bloudy and devouring than the cruell Warres of Europe," from which the colonists had learned their trade.

or centuries, Europe was the most savage place in the world. They had monstrous wars constantly, trying to impose the nation-state system which didn’t make any sense. They stopped in 1945, that’s true. That’s because European elites understood, that the next time they play the game they are all going to be dead. Okay, they decided, okay, games over. We played it for 500 years, can’t do it anymore. So, yes, the elites recognized they better not have anymore wars between Germany and France and England, because the next time is the last.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_conflicts_in_Europe&oldid=790622763

https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/3mjquc/help_contextualizing_one_of_chomskys_claims_for/

Look, all this is not to slag the moral character of any location. I dont want any reperations from england. I just want to be factual.

>>133753019
You're right of course, i should have added that pinker was more of a lightning rod for using it, and I believe he does talk about the methodology when he uses it. If you want to read about it in the original source I uploaded his book for you here https://file.io/gNloKw

>>133753356
We have a language barrier here, when I say 'no-brainer' the idiom means 'this conclusion is so obviously correct that even someone without a brain could see it' not, 'this conclusion is stupid'

Hence, we actually agree.

>>133752619
Because he is debunking a myth that exists without any evidence, on pure faith and resentment for (hierarchical) societies. Data is data desu

>>133743646
He was ironically a good entry point to more /pol/ like ideas and conclusions.

Once you no longer trust the mainstream media it's a lot easier to immerse yourself in other points of view.

>>133754125
ok, sorry, will start using this expression.

>>133749314
>Chomsky destroyed Harris by avoing to make the distinction between violence for good and bad reasons in a famous debate. Harris tried to defend the US by saying that it's violence in the ME was for good causes(yes, it was as stupid as it sounds)

Sam Harris is just another disingenuous jewish neocon. He's Max Boot with an academic / intellectual veneer

>>133753966
Of course they're less cruel, they didn't have the means to be otherwise.

>>133754125

i think that he understood correctly and is replying scarcastically/facetiously

Also he is not right. Almost everyone is against that book. I replied elsewhere in this thread. \

Its still good to read tho

>>133754612
There were some Indian tribes that were notorious for torturing captives.

>>133754637
actually I belived no-brainer" to mean "conclusion to dumb to even think about".

>>133754747

me-indians or red indians

(Indegenous people of two continents)

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>>133754825

oh ok. i see how that phrase is confusing.

ok im off to bed. everyone in this thread is very smart. I might see you on this website again. Ill save this page. tata

>>133755230
See you soon anon, sleep well.

>>133754902

aztecs would fight to capture people from other tribes and then remove their hearts while they were still alive. Much more gruesome than most europeans.

I know that this is only one example does not make a strong argument, but:

>some tribes were cannibals
>some tribes sacrificed people(thing that still happens in Africa)
>some tribes invented horrible torture methods
>some tribes keep killing tons of people till this day

I simply cannot see a clear distinction between the crazy savage violence and the "civilized men" violence.

>>133754399
>Sam Harris is just another disingenuous jewish neocon. He's Max Boot with an academic / intellectual veneer

Sam Harris is a non-sjw liberal, a dying breed in this day and age.

>>133750219

>Chomsky just didn't want to admit that intentions matter

Neocons like to point out again and again how good their intentions were because that's the only defense they have against reality when people point out how disastrous their ideas and their projects are. BUT BUT I HAD GOOD INTENTIONS DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?? It's pathetic and childish.

>Stabbing you on purpose and stabbing you by accident has very different consequences.

LOL no, you can still fatally stab someone and you're still guilty of stabbing someone who didn't deserve it. It's like saying there's a dangerous terrorist in a building in order to justify blowing up the building and killing a lot of people who don't deserve to be eliminated. BUT BUT MY INTENTIONS WERE GOOD! Pathetic and childish.

You would never accept this kind of excuse if you, your friends or your family was among the collateral damage. Imagine if the cops were using this so-called argument to defend themselves against accusations of manslaughter or 2nd degree murder. "Your honor, yes my client shot and killed a bunch of innocent bystanders but but he had good intentions, he was aiming at the bad guy!"

>>133754612

As Adam Smith observed, European success was a tribute to its mastery of the means and immersion in the culture of violence. "Warfare in India was still a sport," John Keay observes: "in Europe it had become a science."

>>133754612

>Europeans "fought to kill," and they had the means to satisfy their blood lust. In the American colonies, the natives were astonished by the
savagery of the Spanish and British. "Meanwhile, on the other side of the
world, the peoples of Indonesia were equally appalled by the all-destructive
fury of European warfare," Parker adds. Europeans had put far behind
them the days described by a 12th century Spanish pilgrim to Mecca, when
"The warriors are engaged in their wars, while the people are at ease."

>>133746082
Sorry, I'll stick with the discovery of penicillin and natural selection over that useless shit.

The single thing he was right about is the two party system being a complete sham, the differences between cuckservatives and your average prog zombie are minimal at best and seek only to undermine real politics. Other than that Noam can just go home.

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>>133743646
Probably the greatest living intellectual today.

I love this guy so much, how can one man be so intelligent? Damn Jews, how are you even able to win the hearts of your enemies?

>>133756528

No, claiming that killing is always killing sound stupid. I think that most people would agree that in some cases intention is very important. By claiming that intention never matters you're accepting that:

>killing a guy that is about to explode 100 innocent people to stop the act is as bad as killing any other person.

This doesn't mean that what you're saying that is your intention is the same as real intention. This seems to be a much bigger problem simply because we can't read people's minds. A lot of neocon violence is just strategic nuclear chess moves and the "muh terrorists" is just a way to hide from the public the reality of geopolitics. Claiming that real intention does matter does not imply defending US war crimes.

>>133757045
>natural selection
this one is also a fallacy, btw
google "evolution without selection"

>>133743646

And this so-called anti-imperialist would have supported Hillary Clinton over Ron Paul because according to him Ron Paul is an 'ultranationalist':

http://bsalert.com/artsearch.php?fn=2&as=2157&dt=1

Q:
He proposes staying out of the foreign affairs of other nations (unless his home is directly attacked, and must respond to defend it).
A:
Chomsky: He is proposing a form of ultranationalism, in which we are concerned solely with our preserving our own wealth and extraordinary advantages, getting out of the UN, rejecting any international prosecution of US criminals (for aggressive war, for example), etc. Apart from being next to meaningless, the idea is morally unacceptable, in my view.

Q:
Would you support Ron Paul, if he was the Republican presidential candidate...and Hilary Clinton was his Democratic opponent?
A:
Chomsky: No.

>>133743646
Hasn't Noam Chomsky defended and minimized the violent horrors of far-left regimes, particularly in Asia?

>>133758286

Oh....anon... are you claiming that the perfect genius scientist Noam Chomsky is just a jewish democratic shill that makes rivers of money by selling commie propaganda to teenagers? Bu... but he is the opposite of the establishment, he is such a danger to the establishment that he worked in one of the most prestigious universities of the country for years and his books can be found in every bookstore. You don't know what you're talking about anon.

>>133758672
yes, he did it in Cambodia.

>itt: Bunch of literal nobodies trying to discredit one of the most distinguished and renown linguists, just because he happens to be a progressive

If he was pro-Trump or some alt-right brainlet you would stand in line to call him """our guy""" and bring up his credentials to justify every right-wing retardation.
The whole lot of you here don't even have the mental capacity to understand his works, let alone to criticize him. stfu, you trumplets.

>>133757566

>I think that most people would agree that in some cases intention is very important.

Yeah it's very important because it justifies an action that one wouldn't support otherwise, especially if it involves killing a bunch of people who have never done anything to you. The invasion of Iraq was sold to the public with lies and the results have been disastrous. Sam Harris' sophistry cannot defend it.

>By claiming that intention never matters

Except that's not what I claimed, I said neocons like Harris and others emphasize the idea of starting a war with a Good Intention because that's the only so-called argument they have left to justify using the US military to intervene in foreign country X, Y, Z, etc.. They want people to ignore reality and instead focus on the motives and claim that good moral motives can justify pretty much anything.

It's very easy to convince yourself you're doing something Good, before or after, if it enables you to to feel good about your actions and helps you being considered a Good Guy in the eyes of the public. Very easy.

>we can't read people's minds.

And? So what? The results of someone's actions will always matter more than their intentions.

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>>133760225
> famous = great
You're a chick, aren't you?

>>133743646
He finds the proplems but blames the wrong people

>>133760225

>starts with personal attack

bad start bro, you're not talking with your teenage pothead friends, kiddo.(but I must admit that it's fun doing it now)

>if he was pro-Trump...

How do you know that? Are you some sort of mind reader? I was literally(you faggots love this word) defending a pro-Hillary jewish shill called Steven Pinker. I also attacked neocons at some point. My problem with Chomsky is that most of his political "works" are pop books for angsty commie teenagers.

>"The whole lot of you here don't even have the mental capacity to understand his works"

Oh yes, I'm sure his deep works about how the US is absolute evil and how we should smash capitalism are much harder to read than the math papers I need to read every fucking day. Also the fact that he is a best-seller shows me how complicated are his ideas, very complicated books sell a lot right?

>>133748311
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb_bTUJp39o

Watch it all and stop asking people to dumbify things for you.

>>133760225
>(((linguistics))), AKA Frankfurt School shit designed to undermine the West.

>>133745889
Among other contributions to the field of linguistics, Chomsky was the first to build a model that shows that all languages follow some common structures. His contributions have contributed to our understanding of how languages are learned.
His work is used extensively in computing, proving its validity, and generations of linguists praise his work. He's known as the father of the modern form of linguistics. I'd hardly call it fake science.

>>133744287
nope he's good at computer science too

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>>133762026
>Among other contributions to the field of linguistics, Chomsky was the first to build a model that shows that all languages follow some common structures
This sounds obvious as fuck tho
Sounds like he put a lot of obvious shit into words and simpletons think he's a savant

>>133758837
>that makes rivers of money by selling commie propaganda to teenagers?

http://web.archive.org/web/20091004143728/http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=1385b76d-6c34-4c22-942a-18b71f2c4a44

" A few years back he went to Boston's venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in "income-tax planning," set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.

Chomsky favours massive income redistribution -- just not the redistribution of his income. No reason to let radical politics get in the way of sound estate planning.

When I challenged Chomsky about his trust, he suddenly started to sound very bourgeois: "I don't apologize for putting aside money for my children and grandchildren," he wrote in one e-mail. Chomsky offered no explanation for why he condemns others who are equally proud of their provision for their children and who try to protect their assets from Uncle Sam. (However, Chomsky did say that his tax shelter is OK because he and his family are "trying to help suffering people.") "

>>133762049
he is very smart, he is good at a bunch of things. Sadly he is best in selling stupid commie propaganda to teenagers.

>>133743963
first post worst post

chomsky is to 20th cent linguistics what einstein was to 20th cent physics

>>133758889
He didn't, actually. He simply noted in The Political Economy of Human Rights that US foreign policy is morally inconsistent in its condemnation of human rights violations. The East Timorese genocide was actually larger in proportional terms than the Holocaust, but because it was committed by a US client, it didn't matter, yet the crimes of the Khmer Rouge came in for unrelenting criticism, because it was committed by Communists.

Chomsky is sometimes wrong and even outright dishonest, but he's never actually defended the criminal acts perpetrated by the Left. He's merely noticed that the US often ignored those committed by anti-communists.

>>133743646
im literally related to noam so i cant hate him

honk ass chomsky

>>133762680

and he is also the Newton of selling commie propaganda to teenagers.

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>>133762210
Common structures are known to everyone who speaks a language.
However, no one had described them yet.
The laws of motion were known intuitively before Isaac Newton's time, but he was the first to describe them.
The behaviour of magnets was known, but Maxwell was the first to describe them.
Plus, he did not make a simple model. It is exhaustive. Read this, realize it was written in 1956, and then realize this classification of grammar still holds up today, even with a boom in programming language design and artificial language parsing:
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Computability_and_Complexity/Formal_Languages/Chomsky_Hierarchy

>>133762956
lol whys the 3rd world so mad

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>>133762926
> a jew
> a commie
how banal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTYSv_YQOVo

>>133763360
I'm not mad, actually. I just liked the thread so I'm bumping it.

also:

even if it sounds hateful it's absolute true. The guy sells a fucking lot.

>>133760225
>just because he happens to be a progressive

If he was sincere he would call himself an international socialist, not an anarchist or an anti-imperialist. He says he's an anarchist but he's anti-gun and pro-state >>133748305 , he says he's an anti-imperialist but he would have supported Hillary Clinton over Ron Paul >>133758286 , he says he's anti-capitalist but he doesn't have a problem with the banking cartel known as the Federal Reserve >>133750802 . He's a big phoney. He's just a commie who documented the hypocrisy and the crimes of the US government in a few foreign countries back before the internet existed and he's been surfing on that reputation ever since. Back in the 1970s and 80s you could have learned a few things you weren't aware of by reading his books but today he's completely irrelevant.

>>133749312

his theory of language has been debunked

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-rebuts-chomsky-s-theory-of-language-learning/

>>133763678
>scientific american
lol

>>133763678
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/chomsky-s-theory-of-language-learning-dead-not-so-fast/

If you actually understand him and read him then you'd agree with him on almost every point.
He's a genius and possesses an extremely capable intellect. /pol/ saying he's a kike commie is like dogs barking at the moon.

/pol/ is hardwired to be hyper-contrarian though

>>133763678
I can't read this, the page says that I need to pay. But honestly, most critics of Chomsky's ideas are retarded humanities fags who support the blank slate theory and hate his idea because it suppose an innate system. I hope this text isn't something of the kind.

>>133746247 Pseudo intellectual garbage. It does mean something. It goes back to 'Nam when troops coming home were spit on, called baby killers for the horrendous things they were often ordered to do. These guys were sent on our behalf, gave over their will, their emotional health, their very lives. Chomsky wants us to confuse what a soldier does with the policy that sent him there. It does mean something. Listening to Chomsky speak and you start to realize he has no convictions. He has no center. He just criticizes.

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>>133764266
"He's a genius and possesses an extremely capable intellect"

same thing with Kissinger, does that mean that anyone who understands him would agree with him?

>>133764508
>30 posts by this ID
No, don't mischaracterize my argument fag. And Kissinger isn't anywhere near the level of Chomsky.

>>133764385
>he has no convictions
>he just criticizes
Are you retarded? He spent decades criticizing/convicting the policies and policy makers as well as the soldiers.
This is written like a redditor
>These guys were sent on our behalf, gave over their will, their emotional health, their very lives
They also killed in the area of 3,000,000 people including many innocent men, women and children.

>>133764508
You're conflating agreeing with Chomsky on everything because of his intellect and agreeing with Chomsky because you understand his position. The post was saying the latter, not the former.

>>133764385
Don't blame the soldiers for that. What do you think what war is? My argument is that "Support Our Troops" does have meaning. It's not Orwellian doublespeak for "Don't criticize our nation's policies".

>>133743646
jew. terrible books

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>>133764316
If you have any knowledge of physiology, you're quite aware there's no organ inside our brain which is responsible for language other than the brain itself. And the fact that chomsky didn't provide any evidence for his over-hyped claim shows what kind of scientist he actually is. And you don't need the ultra-modern material to know this, the brain-maps were present before he made that claim.
But in almost every field there're such apostles, whose task is to prevent you from the real knowledge. From kopenhagen interpretation to big bang theory. And it began at least since Euclid when what he did is took existing theorems (above) and composed some less obvious proofs for them. (below) - though knowledge was traditionally concealed before (even the knowledge of compass was transmitted in misteries, for obvious reasons, considering the advantage it gives. now consider the advantage easy learning of languages give you - but instead of studying them by easy schemes, you have to read his useless books. did you learn something as you read them? see?)

>>133763571
>He's a big phoney

http://www.bad-press.net/1999/03/17/chomskys-statism-an-anarchism-for-the-next-millennium/

"The welfare state is also the warfare state, and, while Chomsky criticizes the federal government’s support of prisons and corporations, he thinks government can protect people from prisons and corporations. He says that people can participate in government, but complains that it is not under popular influence. Government is force and should be done away with. People can act for themselves and take care of themselves. That is the anarchist attitude to the state, and Chomsky rejects it.

In fact, he is troubled that people might hate or fear the government. He admits that the state steals from poor people to subsidize wealthy people, but he thinks discussions about whether the government can be trusted to care for poor people are irrelevant. He dismisses as far-right the rejection of public schools. He feels that when people feel disillusioned about power, they turn to “irrational” alternatives. He arrogantly states that those who think there is a contradiction in supporting centralized state power even though one opposes it “just aren’t thinking very clearly.”

Chomsky seems not to be able to envision any means of offsetting the power of private tyrannies other than increasing the power of public tyrannies. Chomsky speaks glowingly of the efforts of poor people in places such as Haiti. “Poor people, people in the slums, peasants in the hills, managed to create out of their own activity a very lively, vibrant civil society with grass-roots movements and associations and unions and ideals and commitments and hopes and enthusiasm and so on which was astonishing in scale, so much so that without any resources they were able to take over the political system,” "

>>133765069

"If you actually understand him and read him then you'd agree with him on almost every point."

how would someone who has almost 0 leftist inclinations would agree with him? You didn't make a point, so I mischaracterized nothing. You just said: "if you read, you'll agree" wich is stupid.

"Kissinger isn't anywhere near the level of Chomsky"

oh yes, one of the most influential geopolitical strategists of the last century is nothing compared with the author of commie propaganda for teenagers.

>>133763324
>comparing Chomsky to Newton
Oh my sides
Yes, he described them, but not in a way that adds anything new imo. Of course most languages share characteristics, they evolved similarly.

>>133766438

>doing this much mental gymnastic just to justify his democratic shilling.

>>133766461
Alright, since you fail to understand elementary grammar I'll explain it to you.
My point was that he's way bigger and way smarter than any of us (/pol/) so the odds of our criticism being valid is basically zero.
Especially on a website with no burden of proof, no citations, no academic practice or standards, and with highly ephemeral content.

To your second point, Chomsky has written more than 100 books, "revolutionized the field of linguistics", influenced a significant percentage of contemporary philosophers, activists, and academics, has something 58 notable ideas, has over 50 honorary degrees, devoted his life to academics, real professor at MIT, is "arguably the most important intellectual alive".

"influential geopolitical strategist" ain't shit compared to that

>>133767383
>thinking about problems
>le shiggy diggy
off yourself

>>133767688
>"revolutionized the field of linguistics" (but he's so intelligent that I don't know how exactly)
oh my
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQaVIoEjOM
even the niggers are smarter than you

>>133767688
>is "arguably the most important intellectual alive".
Why do you sound like the leftist cultist who suck his dick all the time? Why are you even on /pol/?

>>133767688
Your first point is stupid: "he's way smarter than any of us" is statistically improbable since /pol/ has 100.000+ users.

"no burden of proof", if you're saying that people in /pol/ almost never have backing for their claims I'll agree with you. But if you're claiming that "if you claim something you need to prove it yourself" I'll say that this is illogical: If you claim something and I find a proof that it's wrong, it's debunked, I won't need to wait you to find a proof if I already debunked it.

Also he never wrote 100 books on linguistics, he wrote 100+ books in total and some were in linguistics(still a big number anyway).

>>133768462
I'm not a leftist and nor is Chomsky, he despises the left almost as much as the right.

>>133768446
Sorry that you had change what I said for your argument to work. And then failed to respond in any meaningful way even so.
It must be hard going about day to day life being so incapable.

>>133767688

also, Higgs is still alive, so until he dies claiming that Chomsky "is the most important intellectual alive" is horseshit.

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>>133768769
>Chomsky
>not a leftist

>>133758286
>And this so-called anti-imperialist would have supported Hillary Clinton over Ron Paul because according to him Ron Paul is an 'ultranationalist'

more on that here:

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig8/preston5.html

>>133768769

"he despises the left almost as much as the right"

hhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

are we talking about the same jew?

>>133743646
Made a career shitting on the country that gave him everything

Not even fair on the good stuff

Typical libshit waste

>>133743646

he's pretty old now. too bad, i'd have liked to have a chat with him.

>>133768769
How exactly did I change your argument if you still didn't answer that (hidden) question? 100 books is not enough to make a revolution. It actually takes just one.
So are you going to tell me what's so revolutionary he brought to the table? (especially when his most prominent "idea" isn't worth shit)
We, in russia also have such an asshole in linguistics, his name is zaliznyak, and he's every-fucking-where though his article lack simple logic sometimes, he's just assigned to be the boss of them all.
See, there're at least two meanings of the word "science" - it's the research of the world and it's the institution which deals in controlling of those who deal in the first meaning of it.

>>133768666
Ok, maybe it'd be more accurate to say he's way smarter than us as in a collective us. Because /pol/ collectively isn't really capable of anything besides creating noise.

And I know about the books, I'm just saying that as a point of comparison.

I think he's more important than Higgs but that's subjective based on how you weigh different fields

>>133769002
He called Obama the worst terrorist of the modern age in 100s of speeches. He berated HRC and voiced opposition to her, he says that liberal interference in academies is polluting the academic environment, he's attacked every administration be it a democratic one or a republican one.

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>>133743646
Very punchable face.
#punchcommies

>>133769069
Why are Jews so successful?

Comsky - "Ashkenaz Jew of Ukrainian origin, fled to US in 1913."

There are literally like 100000 Ashkenaz in the US and they are all beasts, independently.

Chomsky is a rogue man and became a professor and is currently tearing ass. What is it with these people that make them such supermen?

>>133769584
>>133769161

forget something?

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>>133769584
You can stop sucking your own dick now, Goldberg.

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If he just stayed in the realm of linguistics nobody would care, but he tries to branch out into politics to make himself appear relevant.

I think the same could be said about modern climate scientists

>>133769715
One can be a piece of shit and still a genius one

>>133769779

the manufacture of consent was a great book. he's the real deal.

>>133767688
>My point was that he's way bigger and way smarter than any of us
The man hasn't even managed to learn a second language.

>>133743646
He's in bed with the Rothschilds, for one.

>>133769584

They have a very high IQ on average. Much above any other group. I think that in the US there was an exception and indians were higher, but in general white jews(Ashkenazi) are the smartest group on earth.

>gets question
>rambles for 30 minutes without answering it, saying 12 times during his rant how bad the US is
>get another question
>repeat
Every chompy debate ever.

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>>133769749
I've been thinking about this quote you typed in your comment since this thread began. Feels good man.

>>133767688
>is "arguably the most important intellectual alive".

You forgot to say he's also the "most quoted living thinker" ever! I think that fact is mentioned on the back cover of all the new editions of his books

>>133745415
The bedrock of all his theories (universal grammar) was recently BTFO.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002438411730147X

Honestly until very recently I just assumed he was dead. I'd hear his name a lot and think, yeah, that guy sounds dead.

>>133770703
You can't kill the undead

>>133743963
he's is the most important linguist of all time
he's the most cited scholar in any discipline of all time
you're just plain retard

>>133770703
You're thinking of Howard Zinn.

>>133771022
>You're thinking of Howard Zinn.

>United States of Amnesia

I miss that guy so much.

>>133770765

>he's the most cited scholar in any discipline of all time

wrong, that's Freud.

>>133768769
>I'm not a leftist and nor is Chomsky, he despises the left almost as much as the right.

>a socialist-communist who wants to abolish capitalism
>not a leftist


huh?

>>133771269
And, big surprise, they're both Jew quacks

>>133762049
His classification of formal grammars is shit. It's like if you were to classify everything as:
1- orange
2- citrus
3- edible
4- anything else

>>133768666
>>133768446
I'm with these guys. You shouldn't hold people in high regard because of mindless phrases like 'most cited, influential mega hyper intellectial ever', but I have to say I'm mostly annoyed by his fans.

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>>133771954

>start fucking your mom

>>133770053
>WIKIPEDIA IS VERY IMPORTANT MMMKAY?

>>133743646
well half of the time I don't think about him...but the other half of the time I don't think about him.

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>>133770038
He speaks English, hebrew, french, and probably understands dozens

>>133747561
I met him, the venus project is in venus florida and I live near there

he was a technocrat, plain and simple. Want to know what he was about read up on technocracy.

nice guy, enjoyed spending the day at his place

>>133770082
dot or feather?

Manufacturing Consent is worth the watch, that's about it.

To quote Christopher Hitchens: "He calls himself an anarchist, except for when it might do him some good." Which basically means he is a lying prick. If you promote anarchist thought and call yourself one but don't want to abolish the EPA or FDA, and you want the government to provide everyone with free healthcare, you are just lying to people. Either all government and hierarchies are bad or admit left wing anarchism is a completely contradictory ideology that has no practical application in the real world.

>>133774039
Somehow I still doubt it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY93gHVynaY (he could have a translator in his ear)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUKnDbfeeiQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJRQ6lWqNG0

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>>133773964
fug. Better go rape my mom to validate freud.

>>133772012
Oh really, what classification of grammars do you subscribe to?

>>133775214

dot

He's a fucking do nothing cynic that criticises everyone elses attempt at anarchism/communism but accomplishes nothing himself.

The do as I say not as I do ivory tower type.

>>133743646

A jew who pathologically lies to advance communism.

Every time you meet someone that babbles about how decent and smart Chomsky is ask them why he shilled for Pol Pot?

>>133746687

>sychopant for not one but two pseudo-intellectuals
>Retard quote
>Anti-American snob
>2edgy4u gif

You don't belong here.

He said it's not worthwhile to investigate 9/11. He said it's not worthwhile to find out who did 9/11. Do the math.

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>>133766593
But can you describe (and even measure) specifically what's in common among them? Well, Chomsky did, and that's why he's famous: some languages get by on finite automata, and some are Turing complete (i.e., you can only speak them only using something that can emulate an infinite tape, etc.)
>>133745889
>Listening to his speaches
I hope you find pic related "challenging enough"

>>133777810

they threatened him, probably.

>>133744444
Kek

The Top 200 Chomsky Lies
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf

Read some of this if you want to get redpilled on Chomsky.

>>133777810
>even if it were true, who cares?
>it doesn't have any significance
On 9/11 and JFK "conspiracies".

Gee thanks Chomsky, you obvious shill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7SPm-HFYLo&feature=youtu.be&t=382

>>133775390
>admit left wing anarchism is a completely contradictory ideology

If they used a term that described them more accurately, internationalist communist for example, they wouldn't be able to attract as many suckers to the Cause. So that's why they call themselves anarchists. It sounds better because it doesn't tie their ideas to the totalitarian plague of the 20th century.

>>133774039
So, why can't I find any record of him speaking any other language? Why does he speak english on french tv when everybody around him are speaking french? Why does he speak english on israeli tv?
Any chances of watching him actually speaking those languages?
Could it be another practical joke pulled on clueless goyim eager to believe anything they're told by you know who? I don't want to talk about his stupid face, but it actually is pretty dumb.
What he tells about language is just beyond ridiculous:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg1bHzBoggk
> (language appeared) 100 000 years ago
Has that prick even heard about biolinguistics?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1kXCh496U0

>>133774039
He doesn't really speak French.

>>133774039
>and a probably understands dozens
This guy has the best fanboys lek

>>133743646
His analyses of the atrocities and hypocrisies of US foreign policy largely tend to be accurate, except for his past opinion on Pol Pot which he retracted later on, but his proposed solutions tend to be too idealistic.

>>133780116
Oh, fuck off.
Don't underestimate your enemy, that's nigger-"everyone i don't like is a redneck"-tier trash

>>133780382
Well, Pol Pot was propped up by CIA (because he was anti-Vietnam), not sure why he'd retract his criticism

>>133743646
I tried to read one of his books once. His writing style makes me want to stab myself in the back of the knee with a fork.