Civic Nationalism

>>133733553
What the far right wants is clearly the best option of the 3. Why use this picture in favour of civic nationalism?

>>133733553
When decisions are made there can never be a sense the decision was made by "the tribe" therefore every decision is unjust as you are being governed by people not in your "tribe"

>inb4 cultural tribe

These bonds are incredibly weak and will become tyrannical at the first sign of disagreement

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It's the political ideology of multiculturalism and multiracialism, which destroys culture and race by blending them all together and no one knows who they are or where they're going in any grander sense than "I'm a fatass who just got my paycheck and I'm going to wal mart cause I'm outta cigarettes and tater tots"".

>>133734026
>When decisions are made there can never be a sense the decision was made by "the tribe"

yes it can. it's called one nation under 1 flag.

>>133734026
You know that is false.

Tribes are forged trough intermarriage and common culture even in ancient times. All empires have been multicultural or multiethnic in nature, it is hard to think of exceptions to that.

You simply are so obsessed with the idea that genetics matters most that you disregard everything else.

It doesn't. Genetics don't mean shit.

>>133734026
You know that is false.

Tribes are forged trough intermarriage and common culture even in ancient times. All empires have been multicultural or multiethnic in nature, it is hard to think of exceptions to that.

You simply are so obsessed with the idea that genetics matters most that you disregard everything else.

It doesn't. Genetics don't mean shit. Racial tribalism is a form of collectivism anyways, why follow it?

>>133733553
It doesn't care about faith. I don't care what color people are but i refuse to live with non-Christians.

>>133733553
The problem is that most of the time there's no effort to assimilate people. Whites are cultured and so assimilate, asians follow hierarchy and assimilate more or less as well, but africans and middle-easterners just fucking won't. Former are too stupid, latter are too indoctrinated by their religion.

>>133734395
double posting. dont do it

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>>133734305
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>>133734395

Name some tribess formed by intermarriage between people of different races.

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>>133734093
These people will not die for me and I will not die for them.
>>133734395
>Collectivism is bad
I remember when I believed this too

>>133733553
>looking for actual arguments
Rome.

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>>133734768
>These people will not die for me and I will not die for them.
come to Israel you will see that they will die for one flag (yes arabs join the army too)
aka civic

>>133733553
That picture is fine aside from
>Islam

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>civic cuckism

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>>133734395

>All empires have been multicultural or multiethnic in nature
This is wrong.

t. The British Empire

>>133733553
Would it be good for Isreal like it is in Europe right now. that is all you need

>>133733553
Civic nationalism does not seek to eradicate the subversive elements that will destroy it from within, as long as these subversive elements (the left, Islam, feminism) claim allegiance to the country's best interest whilst actively working against it.

I think ethnonationalism suffers from the same problem. There are plenty of white leftists that seek to undermine the nation state.

Maybe cultural nationalism's the solution, I dunno.

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>>133735094
I bet you can't actually name one thing bad about this picture

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>>133734909

>>133733823
>implying the damage isn't already done and the far right pic is achievable in any sense without a tyrannical state.
are you for real? how hard is it for you faggots to realize you're as stupid and divisive as blm? ethnostate is a nice idea but you're actually a stupid person if you seriously advocate it.. like literally a fucking moron that's probably rather sheltered or too stupid to treat everyone as individuals which is the rational thing to do in a civilized society

>>133734305

that's retarded. Most Empires consist of a homogeneous group conquering other groups by force.

They breakdown when the conquered start being integrated into positions of power like with the Romans or Ottomans.


Genetics is everything. You need civilized humans to sustain civilization just like you need domesticated cows to sustain a dairy.

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>>133735316

>>133733553

Racemixing is bound to happen and it's bad for all sides involved.

It destroys ethnic groups over time.

It lacks the strength of an ethno state, or the trust of one.

Culture is irrelevant

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>>133735056
i have bad news for you.

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>>133735373

>>133733553
......aaand you lost me.

Civic nationalism is loyalty to dirt.
I'd rather be loyal to my people.

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>>133734090
>degenerate pic
To the ovens with you.

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>>133735684

>Why is it bad?
Because its a slippery slope to cuckoldry

If you can pump the breaks and enforce it, its perfect. Replace the white trash with worthy blacks(few), non muslim browns(more than few) and asians(more than few)

It can easily be subverted though and that is the flaw.

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Fixed it for you anon

>>133733553
>centrist memes

>>133733553
Purity of race and culture duuuuh

its bad because it doesnt work

>>133735373
Theres a path between atheism and christcuckery

>>133735142
None of those welfare leeches would be allowed in an American civic nationalist society. That woman would also be carrying a gun and wearing body armor in that subway with those types.

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>>133733553
im from Canada goy the Muslims are bad not Israel.

>>133733553
Dude... Why aren't those people all holding Israeli flags? Do you support open borders for Israel?

>>133735056
Islam has no place in an American civic nationalist society. Jews will also regularly be deported for trying to subvert the nation and destroy it from within.

Civic nationalism wont work for europe though because they have no individual rights to allow people to succeed without the state.

>>133735275
>y-y-youre dumb
Nice argument

>>133735772
USA is the top economy in the world and they have everyone there, coincidence r-right?

>>133736026
a muslim would married her and made here barefoot in the kitchen, not letting her running in the streets for male attention.

>>133736246
USA was at its peak in the 60s when we were 90% white. If multiculturalism is so great why didn't you put your own flag on that meme and have everyone go to Israel?

>>133736246
stfu jew. stop killing the US middle class and turning them into retards.I LL KILL YOU

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>>133736330
>USA was at its peak in the 60s when we were 90% white
this is a meme. USA is now way be comparatively worse off but that's thanks to the internet that you gullibly shared with the rest

also pic related, Israel is a small place, geographically very very small.

Civic nationalism is "synthesis" part of thesis-antithesis plan of jews.

First they fill our countries with other genetics to destroy our homogeneity and genetically attacks us.
Then they conquer and divide.
Then they "make a deal in the middle".

It's just a ploy to destroy the idea of what it means to be nationalistic or to even have a nation.
After this humans will have no real connection or desire to have nations.

We are living in last stages of new world order.

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>>133736522
you need to get out more tbqh famalam

>>133736518
Israel needs to do it's part and open it's borders to the refugees from Africa. You could take in a ton before you ran into geographical issues. Its also too Jewish, you need to embrace multiculturalism.

The US is worse off because the government passed the 1965 immigration act under the table to fill the country with 65 IQ niggers and spics without a vote from the people.

>>133735242
The kike wearing the yarmulke for one. All jews are genetically bad and need to be removed from among goyim populations. I'm even considering the idea of allowing Israel to live so long as all the juden move there and don't pull any more USS Libertys or 9/11s. Will even help you expel the Pals to Jordan

>>133736626
1.5% yet they own most of music industry, most of movie industry, most of TV, a lot of banking, influence politics a lot....

They control the culture and politics of US easily.

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>>133733553
CivNat is a jew co-=opt to try and keep themselves in power as the culture shifts.
CivNats may not be getting gassed now while dealing with a common enemy, but your still getting gassed.

>>133736626
You need to get into the shower room tbqh famalam. We've got some delousing agent ready for your greasy bad jew hair.

>>133733553
Of all the races, only east asians are not a net drain to white societies, and they come not to integrate but to conquer

i think its a fantastic idea.

america should open the floodgates and let all who seek lady liberty in, particularly certain """european""" citizens. on the flipside, i would suggest white americans not wishing to partake in multiculturalism or multiculturalism with MAGA hats should be able to take voluntarily repatriation in europe.

it is the best option. whitey surrenders the wealth and institutes apparently accumulated through oppression and slavery, and goes back where he came from to a significantly whiter europa.

>>133736626
it is exactly their low population that makes the fact that they control all of finance and media and all the banks worrying you absolute turdnugget

>>133736518
Israel NEEDS non-Jewish immigration if it wants to decide. No more monolithic societies for you :^)

1 billion people are on the migratory path, Israel can't avoid taking them in, it is good for you and them, have a heart

>>133733553
How can different races hold up the same values when they are so different?

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>>133734090
/thread

How the hell do people still not get this? Borders have been drawn on tribal/genetic lines since the end of time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB9oUqIcX-c

>>133735242
It's a bunch of people that have no ties to the British nation standing in it's halls of power.

It's everything we shouldn't accept.

>>133734093
Honest to god, when has that ever worked in america? Since its inception people have been playing the race card.

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>>133734305
>All empires have been multicultural or multiethnic in nature, it is hard to think of exceptions to that.

You're having a laugh right? When empire become multiethnic, they are on their way out, as the dominant groups power gets challenged.

>>133734305
>Genetics don't mean shit.

Nig detected. You're having a laugh right? If you're impulsive, and your pre frontal cortex is just not as well formed, then you're going to have a shitty life. Niggers are impulsive, and rotton to the core. This is demonstrated the world over.

Civic nationlism is cancer. It's also a tool of the globalists, pic related, as they can take over civic nationalism, but not ethnic nationalism.

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>>133735662
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>>133733553
It has never worked and can never work. People prefer their own people, their own culture. After all, it was built specifically for them.

>>133737019

You have no free speech and no guns and socialist nonsense. I would rather die in a race war here than live with you commie fucks.

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America was found on the idea that anyone could be free to have any culture ideas etc they desire without repurcusstion. Why is this so hard to grasp

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>>133733553

>>133733553
They would say to preserve white racial purity if they were smart but it's been largely destroyed.

>>133737292
No it wasn't. Pretty fucking embarrassing when even i know your history better, ain't it?

>>133737292
No, America was founded by white people specifically for white people. The proposition nation idea did not exist until the last fifty years. It was invented by filthy kikes who want to destroy all white nations.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

>>133737292

Wrong, it was founded on the idea that the federal government should have less power to tax and shouldn't have a state chruch. The founders still recognized niggers were too dumb to be considered people.

>>133734090
What about the situation when there is a primary conservative ideology supported by the white majority which minorities follow while keeping their own cultures either at homes is their containment mini-ethnostate?
Worked just fine in the Soviet Union :^)

>>133737374
Finland was founded on ES and alcoholism :DDDDD

>>133737292
This is bait right? has to be...

>>133736151
my argument was the damage is done and we'd need a tyrannical state. having trouble reading?

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>>133733553
>Islam in a free and democratic society

The fuck out of here

>>133737647
So what?

>>133736151
>>133737647
and also that IQ varies so treating anyone other than an individual is irrational... where's your argument dumb ass?

>>133737705
so move or just kill yourself if you're going to cry

Why would anyone want to live in a country filled with white nationalists considering every one of them are memespouting retarded faggots? I mean imagine a country of Richard Spencers running around, it'd be even cringier than all the Kekistan faggotry.

>>133733553
The basis of any healthy nation is a sound biological foundation. Only from this can culture, tradition and meaningful institutions grow.

>>133737647
I can deal with a "tyrannical" state for a while if it means muzzie trash and niggers can be shipped right back to Africa end masse.

Its either that or be a minority, easy choice

Why all these jew threads lately?

>>133737830
You're the one crying, nigger

>>133737647
I would much prefer a "tyrannical" state that works in the interests of my people over a (((democracy))) full of people actively trying to genocide me. Democracy only works when you can trust your neighbor to have your best interests in heart. Democracy where everyone votes like we have right now probably never works even in an ethnostate, its basically soft communism. Read Plato's Republic.

The basis of the bell curve implication can be witnessed in African settlements, whites have profoundly achieved with little to no African assistance, whence included it goes to shit.

The Israel comparison is hardly valid because many of the semitic Arabs and Jews are extremely close genetically and IQ wise and their IQ on average is 25-30 points higher than nogs and that's neither accounting for the tribes from Europe.

Its disingenuous to push multiculturalism that's exclusive to Africans when your government knowingly sterilized and paid for Ethiopian Jews to leave.
You can argue hypothetical and the mere social basis but in contrast to your nations policy we're no more the supremacists and deep down you know it and just see us as a valid threat because you've been trained to hate christians.

>>133737289
i propose a hypothetical radical shift in western immigration policy whereby non-whites leave europe en masse and whites enter europe en masse, and you think through all of this, nonsense socialist, hate speech and human rights laws etc would somehow still remain active?

>>133737763
Except for the fact that groups exist. I don't need to judge a Muslim individually, I already know he's a piece of shit pedo-prophet loving bomb-making piece of shit

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>>133737917
haha ok buddy i'm telling you to quit crying. you're the one that can't go about his day without going on 4chan and bitching about something that you know is completely unrealistic and even if it was, it'd be against the values of america.. so again, quit crying, kill yourself, or move.

>>133738167
So, you're agreeing that this entire thread was kikery and done in bad faith I take it. Can't wait until we get to holocaust you fuckers for real this time.

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>>133738043
Yes, because your countries passed these laws while over 80 and even 90 percent white

>>133733553
this would be probably a more popular stance if one guy didn`t invade Poland. Although the jew killing was a nice touch he did.

>>133737966
i actually just ordered that and i completely agree. democracy falls once the majority realize they can take from people. however, i'm just pointing out that under america's values we should be treating people as individuals and unless you have reason not to, it's not rational to do and causes division. even tho black people get in the way of a good democracy more what you said isn't specific to race and if you dont trust the gov now, idk why youd give them all that power.

>>133733553
>treating niggers, dune coons, and gooks as real people

3easy5me. Now fuck off, OP

>>133738287
You're the one bitching that we are capable of pattern recognition. And american values? Shut up, you probably literal nigger. American values are white values.

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>>133733553
Idealistic bullshit that will never happen.

>>133738135
ok you're getting more into specifics. im talking in general. youre too dumb to talk to i guess if you can't see that

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>>133738309
sure thing

>>133738508

We want division. And treating them as a group is the only way to get significant results.

>>133738586
Fuckin hell man, Pittsburg here I come!

>>133738555
>pattern recognition applies to everyone
lel

>>133733553
>jews would love for everyone to become white christian in america

hmmm

>>133738640
>y-y-youre dumb
There it is again, isn't /r/the_cuckold a more appropriate place for you based civic nationalist pedes?

>>133735275
A caste system would be better than outright civic nationalism. They seem to be the natural state anyway if you look at places like Seattle where they have designated the city hall to be their pooping street.

>>133738508
No, that's stupid. Humans aren't just individuals. We aren't deracinated atomized units of economics. We have families, friends, and deep historical and ancestral ties with one another and our land. We have shared culture and values that go back millenia.

Blacks do not share this with whites. Asians don't share this with whites either even though they are a high IQ, productive, and low violence people themselves. A nation is a people, without ethnic homogeneity you have no nation, just a war waiting to happen.

>>133738666
ok well im talking about american values and a civilized society. not what some irrational faggot thinks

>>133738655
Being a protagonist with the Israeli flags too easy, I envy you at times.

>>133738749
>>133738774
id agree but again im talking about american values

>>133738655
Come on Hershel, I put some pennies in my oven, don't you wanna get them?

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>>133733553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FanSfyujwSY

http://historyofrights.ca/archives/jewish-labour-committee/

http://historyofrights.ca/encyclopaedia/social-movements/national-jewish-labour-committee-1936-1980s/

http://historyofrights.ca/encyclopaedia/social-movements/nova-scotia/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Congress_of_Labour#CITEREFCaplan1973

http://www.lltjournal.ca/index.php/llt/article/view/5218

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/CofCchap7.pdf#4

Divide and conqure
It's easier to divide a group into smaller ones and ruler them as they fight with each others.

Murican wasn't made by jews it was created by white man, as murica became succeful many jews started to migrate to murica as europe wasn't a very nice place for them

Except in the Austrian-Hungarian Empire where the jews under the hapburgs had many benefits.

The jews are a persectuted people who have adapted to take over banks, schools, and media to protect their kind from the large masses.

White man took christinaity and used to slabize, remember that weaponzied christinaity caused the death of the Roman empire.

It was Constatin that reformed chrsitanity and later the German people who became the rulers of the eastern Roman empire who used the Church to main order in a world which was dying Because of death of the elements of trade of the Roman empire using greco-romanic ideas.

The death was caused by the expansion of the Muslims and as they took over the middle east, egypt and north of africa.

This caused the darkages, and forced european nations to move trade upstream from mediterranian to central and north sea. Using those greco-roman ideas to maintain order and some admistration. The church was crucial as they were the only ones who had an idea how to maintain crap.

This also caused the colonian area as European trade made europe great again rival countries like france/spain/portugal seeked new ways of expanding to get to asia, since the silk road was in the hands of muslims

>>133738820
so then how come asians do fine in the US if they dont share the history with us? in a perfect world we'd have an ehtnostate but we're not in a perfect world

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>>133738854
ikr? I don't get nearly as much attention with fake flags.
feelsgoodman

>>133738586
Don't all the middle class white cucks there vote dem?

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>>133739033
USA was created founded by the sweat of the white man, german people such as angols-saxons bongs, central european germans, romanized franks (germans too), with later mixes from italian (romanic/italic-germanized ostrogoth combo), Where as spanish/portoguese arab rape baby mixed with visigoth blood, created the shitwhole of South and central america

REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

As USA and cucknada were growing the jews that were taking over media,banks, slowly starte swaying crap in their favor.


So the modern bible is a reformed Jews weapon to destablize the roman empire, it kept europe together and strong, it also caused many isuess.

The isuess with the middle east is that due to ww1 the area have been destablized and lacked strong leaders. Countries like Turkey, Iran and few others that had Strong leaders made those countries great.

Saudi just sold out to bongs, as bongs helped the poor fags saudis to take over,as they were pro bongs. As for the rest of the middle east faggots took over and they kept everything in check, sadly they weren't really pro-west.

Jews are pushing for multicuralism right now, because they own the banks, the media, and they are rich. A nation which is divided is easily controled when you have the power such as media, banks, and politicians whom you can buy.

Also Isreal is a great Idea, most Isreali jews hate New york jews or other jews that fuck shit up.

Isreal is a great contaiment country, and the world knew that they only way to deal with the jews is to give the a country. To contain them and pay their damn bills.

>>133733553
All minorities, whether they're religious, ethnic or of any other kind are potentially dangerous because they're vulnerable to foreign influence.
The propagandists will blame the majority whenever something bad happens to the minority. This results in growing hatred between the groups as we see in the USA.
This will result in minorities siding with the invaders during the times of war (i.e. polish minorities sided with swedish invaders in 17th century) and they will riot in times of destabilization.
This is why being homogeneous is so important.
So thank you based Stalin & Hitler for making Poland polish and catholic.

>>133738820
>>133739052
i know the answer is general IQ but im saying black people arent completely incapable of being in our society.have you met a black kid that grew up in a rich area? some white kid that is white trassh and in the hood isnt much better than a nigger.

>>133738167
Imagine being jewish and having your penis mutilated

>>133738922
>american values
Sounds like a meme to me. I thought we were talking about how to improve society. If you're just stuck on American values (white Christian values btw), it's still been demonstrated that most non-white, non-Christians don't share these values and want to destroy them. So if American values means allowing those who don't share your values to destroy you, then America ultimately values it's own destruction above all.

>>133739052
Because they're smart and productive like I said of course. They're a much better minority to have than the mud peoples. That doesn't mean they can be white and I certainly don't want them replacing us and taking over our cities like what's happening to Vancouver. I don't want to live in Hong Kong, I want to live in a white nation.

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>>133739206
mine isn't though ;) Good parents I guess

>>133733553
It cannot last. In-group preference will always lead to split identities, plus culture is often driven and inspired by heritage. A civic nationalist society is an inherently fragile thing with nothing but a flag and a constitution to hold it together. "Shared values" shift over time and when national unity is founded upon such an ephemeral concept it inevitably jeopardizes stability. Blood lasts forever, ideas live and die in the span of centuries or even decades.

>>133739052
Successfully exploiting our system is not the same as sharing our values. I'd say they do well in spite of our culture because they maintain strong community whereas we focus on the individual meme which is really just people relying heavily on the government instead of family and community.

>>133739170
Anyone have that SAT scores pic where among classes poor whites outscore rich blacks?

>>133733553
>Civic nationalist and ethnonationalists cut the bullshit for 5 minutes and defeat the Jew
>Under the provision of the Constitution, ethnocentric communities will form and Civic Nationalists leave them alone

Why can't this happen

>>133733553
Take out the muslim altogether and I agree with the third option. They're just plain not compatible with western civilization, and that's fine as long as they don't try to fuck with western civilization.

>>133739446
This

>>133735142
The British Empire extended far into India and the Saharan and included the Hindu population as well as Africans in the North so that was just a terrible example.

For one, civic nationalism enables different societies to develop in one country.
This however creates several groups that can easily be pitted against each other.

Have some practical examples.
America has civic nationalism. It doesn't matter where you are from or what your genetic makeup is, you can become an American citizen through a simple test.
Poland does not have civic nationalism. The Pole is defined by his culture, his history and his values among other things. You can't just show up in Poland, take a test and be Polish.

Now, Poland stands on its own feet rather well. They get money from the EU to help build up the country after decades of communism, but the people of Poland are homogenous and work hard. The only political struggle in Polish society is between people who like the idea of helping economic migrants as if they're refugees, and people who don't because they see through the bullshit.
America has Black Lives Matter, La Raza, the KKK (a Democrat CIA operation) and countless other groups that reflect the different societies. All of them target whites (the KKK as an extremist scapegoat for antiwhites to point at), all of them want their own society and they do whatever it takes to enforce that.
The result is chaos, tribulation, a lack of national unity and inevitably no longer one country with several societies, but several countries.

It's like with feminism and families. You can have a beautiful and strong family with a man and his woman in unity against whatever comes in its path, or you can have a disjointed couple who can't form that unity due to the independently minded women who are being brainwashed and turned against men at every turn.

I'll go for the homogenous family, thank you very much.

>>133739521
White brits controlled the land. Just because they didn't genocide the natives doesn't make it multicultural. They didn't even consider Abos human when they got to Australia.

>>133739336
it works in Israel though.

>>133739133
Yes and it's strange how white areas do this. Maybe social programs work better when it's for your own community and not being exploded by a bunch of niggers.

>>133733553
ITS MULTICULTURALISM UNDER ANOTHER NAME YOU FUCKING KIKE BASTARD

>>133739446
Civies BTFO.

>>133739126
Ashkenazi are typically Germanic for the most part, so it could be argued vica versa.

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>>133739623
Is this a joke?

>>133735275
I treat everyone as an individual. I jave healthy fun relationships with my illegal mexican co workers. I still want them to go back, and still advocate white nationalsim. Infact I advocate black nationalism, mexican nationalism, ect. We should all have our own home, and a place free from jews.
>>133733553
The number one problem with civnat is that it lets jews in. I would rather have 1000 mexicans than one jew, and would gladly make that trade.

A bunch of Africans flooded into Melbourne as "refugees" and people are being terrorised by them. They make any excuse for blacks and their violent crimes while the natives have to suffer.

Fuck Civic nationalism. We aren't equal. A multiracial society is built on lies and deceit.

>>133739268
read >>133739170
>>133739420
not all black people exploit our system lol. that's literally all i'm saying. being black doesn't mean you're inevitably going to be on welfare. it has a lot to do with culture. i know IQ is involved too. when the black family was intact before they incentivized single moms they caused much less crime than now. acting like generations of bad black education given by dems wouldn't have a lasting effect. i live in a rich area and the black people that actually appreciate it and grew up here are more than fine and of course there's niggers too

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>>133740056
i agree. i'm not even against generalizing. but when someone doesnt fit the generalization, to treat them as if they do, doesn't help anything

>>133734913
>Arabs join the army to

Arab jews

>>133739761
what is, a border?

a border is no joke, fello yank!

>>133740262
no, muslim arabs

>>133740056
>Infact I advocate black nationalism, mexican nationalism, ect
Of course all in the same country !

>>133736246
We were the top economy before everyone got here, and our economy is declining the more they come here.

>>133733553
It destroys culture. In countries that have always been melting pots like the US, who gives a fuck but the British should have British culture, the Polish should have Polish culture, the Russians should have Russian culture, the Ethiopians should have Ethiopian culture, the Iranians, Indians, Japanese, and Mali should all preserve their own culture, traditions, and ethnicity.

Put simply based black men shouldn't live in Europe because Europe is the home of white men, based white men shouldn't live in Africa because Africa is the home of black men. I don't mind Islam I simply think it should be left in traditionally Muslim countries, at the same time I find it disgusting when Christfags try to prostelytize outside of the Christian world because even ignoring how many non-white evangelical converts are fucking batshit insane they are destroying other cultures in the name of "muh Jesus." However I have no problem with Christianity existing in the west even though I myself am an Atheist.

>>133740629

Oh how generous of you

>>133740263
I meant your post, jewbro. That is a wall blocking non-jews from coming in to Israel.

The problem has less to do with color or god/allah or whatever other small differences and more to do with non greco-roman cultural law.

In general a Mexican will think the same way as an American or a Canadian when it comes to common law. Arab immigrants get their law from the koran, sharia is diametricly opposed to common law and the two cannot work side by side.

A friend of mine who is moroccan spent years reworking his beliefs to be consistent with common law. When it comes to sharia it becomes a situation where you have to completely drop all the legal/punishment crap from the Koran. He is smart and able to do this, most are unable to.

Irish/italian/german/etc immigrants to the US had to change their inborn cultures to a much lesser extent.

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mandatory

>>133739623
No it doesn't. Israel is literally the LEAST civic nationalist country ever. Look at your flag dumbass, it screams ingroup preference.

>>133740293
Oh so you force the natives to serve in your military. Got it.

>>133739615
They didn't consider anyone in Australia human they were literally ditching their prison population to die. Another terrible example of yours.

>>133739623
It works in Israel because the only people who get to be citizens are Jews whose DNA has been approved by your gouvernment.
Arabs can have as much in-group preference as they want, they're second-rate. It doesn't make a difference to how Israel is run.

Truly, Israel is ethno-nationalist more than anything else.

>>133740056
The whole point of American nationalism, is that it's more anti-Jew and anti-multiculturalism than ethnonalism

Dumb cucks actually prefer a leftist shithole filled with white homosexuals and trannies rather than a conservative nation

The only argument is that other races aren't compatible with that ideal, which is basically true, but the inclusivity of American nationalism is mainly farcical

It's essentially ethnonationalism but you aren't making excuses for the degenerate white left.

>>133740531
No.

Maybe a few states for the blacks because logistics would be a nightmare. But the mexicans definitely have to go home.

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>>133734093
If you believe that then why don't you welcome the Palestinians into Israel?

>>133741355
Yeah a 40% drop in white demographics shows just how exclusive and great American nationalism is.
Also your it is stupid that you suggest that white nationalism and acceptance of subversive elements such a homosexuality are inseparable. As far as I can tell American civcucks love gays.

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>>133733553
Fuck off, Shlomo.

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>>133735242

If the shit were to hit the fan big style all of these individuals would protect thier own. Jew, Hindu, Sikh, muslim, black, brown etc. They would very quickly drop the flag.

In an ethnic state like you enjoy. You have a shared past and history and would fight for each other.

Not only that but if the people in that room were all white as they should be we could achieve so much more. We would not be held back by the low IQ of the black or the parasitic nature of the Jew or the anger and hate of the Muslim.

>>133741817
this

>>133741817
this

>>133741816
So you're admitting that the more important element to your ideal nation is the citizens accepting and following a set of ideals than their race. Making excuses for degenerate whites, you are a coward

Are you stupid? Considering you're probably a shit-tier white that benefited or would have from American nationalism, probably

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>>133738655
>Kikes so afraid of Black cock, they have to sterilize them
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>133740878
no that's a border. Every country has one.

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>>133735275
>just give up white man your time is done

>>133741557
What do you mean? There are many palestinians working in Israel.
We don't let the bad ones in.

>>133737569
>keeping their own cultures either at homes is their containment mini-ethnostate?

Because they don't keep it confined. It is human nature to be expansive. Let outsiders into your society and they'll try to expand and take it over like a virus. Sure, early on they'll play nice while breeding like rabbits to gain strength to push their own agenda. Apartheid has been tried and failed. Separate but equal has been tried and failed. They're always going to want what you possess while pushing their failings onto you.

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>>133741817
I'll admit that's pretty funny desu

>>133742432
>if you kill your enemy you lose

>>133741278
That's what makes Australia beautiful.

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>>133739633
True. Look at transit. It can only work in two situations: areas so population dense that there cannot exist enough infrastructure for everyone to drive or in lower density areas that are socially homogeneous such as Portland and Salt Lake City. Other cities of similar low density but with high diversity struggle to make transit work.

>>133733553
read up on ethnocentrism faggot

>>133733553
Because its too optimistic. It assumes that everyone is going to accept the tribe WE want them to accept, instead of accepting the tribe they feel most belonging to.

Tribalism is essential to the human condition, and certainly there are ways to encourage a bigger tent so to speak for a tribe, but really the most basic and long lasting tribal affiliations are Religion, Family, and Kinship, because there is history, tradition, and blood.

>>133742837
You will be the one who gets killed, you hooknosed parasite, people are waking up every day now, and they are sick of you and your subversive disgusting tribe that barely qualifies as human. Pray to your satanic god all you want, he won't help you, you filthy rat.

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>>133744180
top kek friend
see you on the other sid- oh..

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>muh country first apple pie bullshit

Shitskins and women don't give a shit about national pride, that's why they can't create and maintain nations.

Ethno-nationalism works because it's based on tried and true tribal cohesion through physical appearance. You either fit in, or you don't.

For Civic Nationalism to work, you'd have to police thought and beat people into assimilation like the Romans did, which is ridiculous.

You fence-sitting faggots think that Civic Nationalism is the safe and fair option because it doesn't exclude based on race, when in reality, that's exactly why it's so horrible. You might as well just have slaves.

Grow a pair of balls and a brain, and advocate for ethnic nationalism for everybody.

>>133733553

I'm fine with determinism. However, given the choice, I think people will gravitate toward the optimal religious ideology baring inherent cultural influences such being into a particular religion.

Human nature abhors mitigable suffering. For the most part, people won't make choices that put them in the out group.

So you'll always end up a dominate majority religion that becomes status quo in order to fit the national identity.