Was he a hero of liberty, genocidal dictator or something in between?

>>133714326
Cromwell presided over a period of time in British history that saw a quarter of it's population wiped out and the monarchy de-legitimised and neutered.

Cromwell was a disaster.

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>>133714326
You have no fucking home of your own, do you British?

>>133715173
I have heard that Cromwell is greatly popular amongst potato people. Is that true?

>>133714326
I remember learning about him in school.

He is generally seen as a good guy in polish education system.

>>133714680
>monarchy
>good

>People referred to the Merry Monarch, in reference to both the liveliness and hedonism of his court and the general relief at the return to normality after over a decade of rule by Cromwell and the Puritans. Charles's wife, Catherine of Braganza, bore no live children, but Charles acknowledged at least twelve illegitimate children by various mistresses. He was succeeded by his brother James.

No thanks, this is the degenerate that replaced Cromwell's iron but fair rule.

>>133715397
Depends on rather or not you're from Ireland or Northern Ireland.

>>133715481
That´s a bit weird because he was fiercely anti-catholic.

Daily reminder Cromwell let Jews back into England for the first time since king suchandsuch expelled them for coin clipping.

>>133714326
He was a retarded piece of shit.

>>133715609
>supporting mob rule and legitimising factional party politics

Socialist filthy please go.

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>>133715769
Henry VIII

It's why Commonwealth coins have grooves.

>>133716082
Correction Edward I

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>>133714326

>>133716051
Better than a decadent aristocracy having degenerate orgies. Supporting monarchy would make sense if they were paragons of virtue. They're not. Even today Charles got cucked, did Diana get hanged? Nope. Not only degenerates but cucks.

>>133717197
>Better than a decadent aristocracy
It really isn't. And you'll always have an aristocracy. At least a monarchy is good for the nation.
>did Diana get hanged?
One day she'll face ju-- oh, right.

>>133717197
>royalty is degenerate
And what of our "honourable" politicians? They are scandalous trash that have not the interests of the State let alone the People at heart. Your so called Republicanism is the reason we are in this mess now.

>>133714326
retard that set the stage for what is modern england

>>133717361
>>133717384
Oh no politicians are hardly honorable, especially not the current ones. However if Cromwell's Commonwealth remained you're more likely to have a militaristic state where the army and the Church keeps decadent in check. A surviving Commonwealth/Protectorate would 100% not have been a "democracy" as we know it.

>>133714326
We were taught, that he was a great military commander, who single-handedly won the war for parliamentarians and that he was a just ruler, who did his best for England. I agree with what i've been taught.

Cromwell was funded by the Jews and is responsible for the bank of England existing.

>>133715769
They funded his genocide of Ireland in exchange for letting them come back. Jews have been committing genocide against whites in the millions constantly since the days of Cromwell.

>>133716051
This is what happens when kikes fund your rise to power.

>muh joos

I bet /pol/ would tomorrow support fags if jews were against them.

>>133714326
Both, and liberty was a mistake.

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He was a filthy traitor

>>133714326
Jewish servant

>>133718654
because supporting decadent papists was a much better choice

Cromwell was a hero who fought against decadent and incompetent royalty and papists.

>>133719190
Finally someone of a right mind.

>>133714326
Great leader and general. Created the first true modern army. Head went a bit west when he got into power...

>>133717773
>that he was a great military commander
He was lucky. He just had more men at any one time, and told them to all do the same thing. The Chevaliers were just too disorganised, wanting to be the heroes.
>and that he was a just ruler, who did his best for England.
Absolute fucking lie. He let the Jews back in and banned Christmas and dancing. That's not best for England, that's the plot of Footloose.

Lmao who gives a shit about some dead white guy

>>133719457
>told them to all do the same thing
Created the first true professional army with an officer corps not based on nobility, but military experience.

>banned Christmas and dancing
Fought against degeneracy

>>133719457
>He let the Jews back in
>muh joos

>banned Christmas and dancing
I'll bite on Christmas and dancing, but he also got rid of a lot of degeneracy. If the Commonwealth remained, while it would have moderated, you would've NEVER seen the decadence you see today.

>>133717818
Source?

>>133719680
So the Roman army. But yes, he was an egalitarian.
>Christmas
>degeneracy
Not sure you really belong here, heretic.

>>133719709
>muh joos
Scientifically speaking, was it not the worst thing to happen to the UK?
>while it would have moderated, you would've NEVER seen the decadence you see today.
You would, but just in different ways. You never noticed that nations which enforce asceticism tend to have people pissed off and fight against it?
Hell, why do you think the shit storm failed? Because no one actually wanted it except for a handful of idiots who fucked off over to the Colonies.

>>133719905
Read about what actually happened at Christmas in those days. It had basically deteriorated into a giant pissup, hookers, and bawdy festival. Like a Saturday night in Manchester. ..

>>133720133
This.

>More generally, it was a period of leisure, of eating and drinking to excess, of dancing and singing, gambling, gaming and stage plays (though modern-style pantomimes did not emerge until the eighteenth century), of drunkenness and sexual immorality, a period when normal rules and self-control did not apply, a period of deliberate inversion and ‘misrule’.

>>133720133
>>133720362
>monarcucks will defend this

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>>133720362
sounds like every night in queensland

>>133720133
I know. But that's committing heresy because of a handful of wankers.
Not like it was St Basil's Day or something. The nigger was literally a Kevin Bacon foe.

>>133720362
Oh no. Fun.

>>133720774
Queensland best land.

>>133721310
>Oh no. Fun.
People like you are the reason why we have decadent hedonism today, not Cromwell. Stop acting like a patriot and say what you are - a liberal.

>>133721951
>People like you are the reason why we have decadent hedonism today, not Cromwell.
Nope. Banning things makes people want them more. Prohibition never works.
>Stop acting like a patriot and say what you are - a patriot
FTFY.
But also somewhat of a libertarian.

>>133722068
>Prohibition never works.
It works if its enforced.

>libertarian
yes so a liberal, a classical liberal but still a liberal

>>133720774
Sydney please, no need to be all salty.

>>133720774
NQ fag here

>>133722189
>prohibition
No need for prohibition. Just ridiculous taxes and excises.

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/ourguy/

>>133715752
When I was in school polish education was pretty anti-catholic, pro-EU, pro muh equality although it was more subtle than western education.

>>133715769
>>133717904
>Jews funded Irish genocide
uhh I thought Jews were supposed to be the bad guys

>>133722393
You probably would've gotten that eventually. A surviving Commonwealth would still be way better than what we have today.

>>133722438
Nope.

>>133714326
>Overthrew the rightful Monarch
>Murdered white people
>Persecuted Catholics
>Let the Jews back into England
He's bad.

>>133722438
Pope-loving warmongering tyrant. Got what he deserved.

>>133722438
GOD save the King!

>>133722655
First three of them very good things. Last one was minor thing at time, just couple of hundred returned and Cromwell wished they would convert to Christianity.

Oliver Cromwell was a pretty cool bloke. Religious, nationalistic, strong, redpilled on parliament so he made himself king after realising it was a pile of shit.
However, it would have been better if he dropped dead. He invited Jews back unwittingly, not knowing what shit they would bring later.

>>133722847
Holy shit finngols not being white confirmed for not being a meme

>>133722847
Found the protestant WHORE

>>133722655
hitler basically did all of the above and you guys unironically suck his dick constantly
>inb4 hurr joos
he supported zionism and let many jews into very prominent positions, besides I thought the holocaust was fake, right?

>>133723078
How was it getting molested by a worshipper of satan as a child?

>>133722189
>It works if its enforced.
When has that ever worked, though?
>yes so a liberal, a classical liberal but still a liberal
Eh, perhaps, but still a bit too right wing for the full effect.

>>133723216
>>133723079

>>133723216
You should know better you're Sweden 2.0 after all

>>133719823
>becomes El Presidente
>let's the Jews back in
Pretty clear.

>>133722655
>rightful monarch
>a papist cuck serving Rome

>>133723273
When prohibition of alcohol was enforced, it worked. Weed and that other shit was never a thing up until the 1960s, because again, it was enforced culturally which was subsidized by the government.

>>133723524
>When prohibition of alcohol was enforced, it worked.
Except for all the rum runners, and the speakeasies and so forth.

>>133714326
I think genocidal dictator fits the bill perfectly

>>133723801
t.father liam o'diddler

>>133723341
I like Poland.

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>>133722655
Are Irish people white?

A surprisingly great commander for a Brit who started learning how to fight wars in his 40s. Had so many close calls and so many fucks ups on the enemies part that I can genuinely see why he thought God favored his side.

Helped England navigate a period where it easily could have gone the way of the French Revolution or see the real religious fanatics take over. If his son was not so incompetent/he lived another 20 years we would have seen an entirely new political system formed that was a fusion of monarchism and a strong presidential republic.

The man hated Catholics and he hated Traitors, the Irish were both so they got both barrels (and even got hit with a plague to boot). Broke the Irish Spirit so hard it took over 300 years to recover.

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>>133724993
Beautiful painting.

>>133715173
>You have no fucking home of your own, do you British?
How'd you come to that conclusion? What do you even mean by that?

>>133723801
>I think genocidal dictator fits the bill perfectly

Not really effectivly sparred the Scots and English Catholics and really only stepped in when it became clear the Parliament could not function.

Hes like a less ambitious but more heavy handed Napoleon politically.

>>133724993
Based

Cromwell was just a random MP who became fed up with the bullshit of Charles I, wasting money on asinine wars and so on. He was just an average guy - but one the battlefield he was something else. He and his loyal Puritan troops never lost a single battle.

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>yfw Australians try to discuss British or Irish history

>>133726329
Still preferable to the plastic paddies of the US

Created the best army in the world.
Crushed the Royalists.
Crushed the Irish.
Crushed the Scottish Covenanters.
All good.

Let the Jews back in.
Went a bit mad as Lord Protector.
Bad.

>>133726329
When people discuss their own history, you mean?

He dissolved the runt parliament or whatever.

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>>133724406
There bones sure are

>>133726951
kek

Jewish puppet. Let jews in for their funding and gave families like the Rothschilds the power they needed to cement control over the British Empire. British Empire was basically created to put money in the pockets of Cromwells merchants. Only country with nearly as much jewish influence were the Dutch protestants who were the first European country to adopt paper money and crashed the American economy so that America would also use paper money.

>>133714326
Cromwell wanted to destroy the monarchy, his head should have been left on that spike where its belongs.

>>133715769
No, he didn't. That is a myth. He agreed in principle but the scriveners and goldsmiths of the City of London overruled him. They were fiercely protective of their power and were the real power behind Cromwell and, later, Monk. Dutch jews came in with William III.

>>133730350
>monarchy
>good

nope

>>133730350
Considering what kind of disgusting war mongering catholic loving dictator who was well on the way of running state into bancrupcy The King was can you blame him?

>>133731523
>Fascism
>bad
You're an American

>>133731523
Yes. I mean, only if you want good government, not a (((media))) run plutocracy.

>>133731203
Cromwell let jews into England as long as they didn't practice their religion

>>133714326
He let the Jews back into England, he was a traitor twice over.

>>133732098
Monarchy =/= fascism. Mosley praised Cromwell as the first fascist.

>>133732236
I'd rather the military and church working hand in hand to prevent degeneracy.

>>133732572
>I'd rather the military and church working hand in hand to prevent degeneracy.
Which works best with a monarchy, and a light touch. Repression only breeds contempt.

>>133714326
If the Commonwealth had continued, the colonies would most probably had been populated by catholics instead of puritans in the first place

>>133732804
It really doesn't when most decadence comes from monarchs thinking they're above God. See the Stuarts, the Bourbons, the Romanovs.

>>133719406
>Created the first true modern army
I heard those were the Assyrians desu

>>133733019
>See the Stuarts
They weren't that bad.
But anyway, there will always been bad data points. Doesn't warrant ditching the whole system for it. Especially one so ideal otherwise.

>>133733202
>ideal
>led to three fucking revolutions against them (English, French, Russian) all very justified

Yeah nah.

Great leader and a great man. Extremely talented military general. Legitimately pious and scrupulous.

He only became a "dictator" after it was clear that Parliament was going to be ineffectual in enacting the reforms the revolution was based on.

His legacy is religious tolerance permanently enshrined in the English system and the permanent relegation of the royalty to secondary status in the body politic.

>>133714326
He was our only dictator. And he destroyed degeneracy.

pretty decent desu

>>133733270
>led to three fucking revolutions against them (English, French, Russian) all very justified
No they weren't. English was Parliament getting way to big for it's britches. French was the plebs blaming the king for the weather, and the Americans being jews. And the Russian was subversion in the cities.

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Decypher this

>>133722438
literally the most arrogant and incompetent man to ever hold the office.

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>>133733544
Wait one or two decades and you'll see

>>133718654
I was a FOKIN LEGEND

>>133733647
Prince Cuck more like it.

And after him "his" kids will turn the monarchy further into Hollywood celebs.

>>133734591
>"his"
You really think Wills and Henry's unfortunate genetics didn't come from Charles? Nigga u blind.

>>133714326

I know little.

But from what I know he was kind of a cuck.

The Brits kind of tried doing the French Revolution and then realised it was stupid and revert it.

>>133719457
>banned Christmas and dancing.

No way! He's even worse than I thought!

>>133719680

Get out.

>>133719709

Prove it, or at least substantiate it.
To me, that seems life a fallacy.

>>133714326
Just a failure. Even if you agree with what he was trying to do, which you shouldn't, he was completely incompetent as a ruler. That's why as soon as he died, his whole regime collapsed immediately.

Great general though.

>>133720712

No. Monarchists will realise that people just seem to have misbehaved in Christmas.

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>>133714326
>Cromwell
>Robespierre
>Stalin
it is almost as if progressive revolutions follow a pattern, and someone wrote a history using human nature to explain why

Effective military general, terrible ruler and a jewish puppet

>>133733019

No European monarch can think they are above God.

Not that excesses were not commited, but man...

>>133735826

this is under rated.

>>133735826
Which book?

>>133714326
The Monarchy was bullshit and he knew it. He should've deposed James outright instead of keeping him as a puppet.

>>133735826
>>Cromwell
>>Robespierre
>>Stalin
Heroes.

>>133714326
A hero. If he succeeded there would have been a protestant Calvinist theocracy empire, that would have spread to the US. Degeneracy wouldn't exist today.

>>133739817
>that would have spread to the US.
Puritans did flood to the US, though. That's why they're so theologically incompetent.

>>133739817
BASED