Ask a Liberal

>>133668355
Why do you even label yourself

>>133668355
Do you recognize the differences between the races?
Do you believe that all people are "equal"?

>>133668488
To make the distinction of which way my political views learn and to better distance myself from the selective thinking of the general populace of this board.

>>133668815
Lameeee

Do you want America to become more like Denmark?

>raise tax for everyone
>lower tax for corporations
>no minimum wage

>>133668787
I do recognize the differences between races.

Equal in the sense of having the same exceptions placed on everyone.

>>133669057
What do you mean by "exceptions"?

>>133668918
I don't know enough about Denmark to make that comparison. The taxation need differs from country to country, but I believe it should be done to spur growth and stability of the society it represents.

>>133669377
My apologies, that was a typo. I meant to say "expectations."

How do you feel about punishment. I find that if someone has harmed the socitoty, it is not good to lock him (or her) up, because it only cost socitoty more money en resourses. It is better to make someone do something back to the socitoy he hurt. Like cleaning shit or fixing stuf (or other generic jobs) Plus giving them geintergrate training so that when they dit the time & work they can be usefull to the socitoy again.

But most inportand is giving them proper education and getting them out bad enviroments that negativly invluence in life choices.

t. Drunk

Whom did you vote for in the primaries?

>>133669057
I take it you're not for affirmative action then.
Do you believe in open borders?

>>133668355
Do you support the replacement of ethnic Europeans in there homelands?

>>133668355
Your (Muslim) grandchildren will hang fags from trees and douse women in acid. How does it make you feel?

>>133670408
this i gotta see

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>>133668355
would you consider you a classical liberal and if not at what point you went astray from your old ideal and became leftists.

>>133668355
How do you plan to pay for universal healthcare and expanded welfare if you don't secure the boarder?

How do you justify a 35% corporate tax rate in a nation battling unemployment?

What is your party doing to create jobs?

What would your party be doing differently from a defense perspective if put in power?

> op is kill?
> the economic pressures of globalization have outsourced op?

>>133671410
OP was replaced by an horny indian man.

>>133669911
I feel punishment should serve the purpose of teaching that person not to do it again and to discourage other people from doing the same. Depending on the offense, community service would be productive.

>>133670200
I did not vote in the primaries.

>>133670275
You should get a job because your black nor should you be denied a job because your black. With how much people complain that black people refuse to get a job, should we really try to stop them if they want one?

I don't believe in open borders, but I do believe if we can take the talented people from other countries then we should.

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>It's a
>>"I'm a liberal lets talk"
>>"oh no I don't believe all those things my friends believe"
>>"see we're not so bad"
>thread

>>133671755
That's because 99% of liberals don't buy into the shit that's posted here. You morons have no idea what real liberals are like because you post fringe idiots over and over and over again and think they're mainstream.

>>133671544
>Doesn't believe in affirmative action
>Believes in a point based immigration system
You are not a neo-liberal then.
You are a classical liberal like almost everyone on this site, stop calling yourself a liberal, the meaning of that word has changed.

>>133668355
why do you hate white people so much?

>>133668355
Why did you use then instead of than? Are you retarded?

>>133668355
What part of the democratic party platform needs to change to do better in elections?

>>133671893
wouldn't it be better that classical liberals would take back their name.
met some classical liberal, they were shocked when I told them about liberals in america, they even started ranting about you can't be a left liberal, they were more like libertarians.

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>>133671891
You're wrong.

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>>133671544
Pls Respond
>>133670408

>>133672164
American "Liberals" co-opted the name, probably to intentionally confuse people

Do you believe islam is a religion of peace, no different from all other religions?

What is your opinion on our current financial regime of central banks, megabanks that are too big to fail, and our low interest rate policies since 2008?

What is your opinion on bitcoin?

Do you look like a numale faggot with thick frame black glasses, a beard, and no musclemass?

Do you do deadlifts?

>>133672359
Is there any chance to get the name it's proper meaning back?

>>133668355
ask a liberal anything. why? you people are a dime a dozen, and we've been inundated with your (((culture))) since birth. there's nothing you could tell me about yourself that I don't already know.

>>133672164
How about the name Western Liberal -(Worried this one will be tarred as racist)
Or Enlightenment Liberal -(to distinguish from the post modernists)

>>133670408
If Europeans are to weak to prevent another ethnic group from supplanting then I can't stop that. It is survival of the fittest and sometimes you just have to let nature take it's course.

>>133670497
It would make me feel like calling the police and that I did a better job raising my kids then their parents did.

>>133670661
I don't know enough about politics to say if I'm classical or not. But you can tell me what you think I am.

>>133670721
Even without universal healthcare, hospitals are still required to treat anyone who needs attention and so far that never broke the system. Are you suggesting if we got rid of universal healthcare you would allow unsecured boarder? Because I believe you would want secure borders regardless of our healthcare status, so it is weird that you would put the two together as if they were dependent.

When in our history have we not been battling unemployment? Unemployment has been steadily lower, but if we did hit zero unemployment, how much should we raise corporate tax?

My party already created a lot of jobs already, now it is your turn to be it better.

What did we do wrong that needs a change in defense perspective?

>>133672164
Yes, but the left wont give it up.
It's stuck to them now and it's the nicest thing they can be called.
>You're a real liberal? BUT YOU'RE A FUCKING NAZI

>>133672615
Either we exterminate the current left, or we get them to admit they are communists.
It would also take a strong 'classic liberal' movement, which may be hard to come by, because a lot of Americans feel that way, but don't know what it means.

>>133672889
>>133672615
* I should say, they don't know what the words "classic liberal" means, so they won't just revert to it

>>133668355
Suck my dick or else i will have to label you homophobic.

>>133672672
>If Europeans are to weak to prevent another ethnic group from supplanting then I can't stop that. It is survival of the fittest and sometimes you just have to let nature take it's course.

Ayo hollup So u b sayin Hitler dindu nuffin wrong?
Can Europeans repeat Hitler? Is that a moral thing?

>>133672672
>If Europeans are to weak to prevent another ethnic group from supplanting then I can't stop that. It is survival of the fittest and sometimes you just have to let nature take it's course.
You're basically backing them into a corner and forcing to take extreme action (which you would complain about) or die.

>>133672889
I think we have to change the college education system. Kids aren't getting a liberal education. They're getting a leftist one. Few people can spend 150K getting an education and turn around and say, "well that was crap!".
I don't know how you do that without bad optics. Trump goes after media, trump goes after universities...

>>133673138
agree. The greatest thing Trump could do to save America is fix us from the bottom up. Education & Demographics

>>133672663
what I know from the liberals I met here in austria, they are in the tradition of the liberal revolution in germany 1848 and they still define germany by nation not by states, so actually they are far more nationalist than other parties on the right here.
was really surprised me in positive way.
as I said If I hadn't known I had said they were conservative libertarians.
but for the name don't you have classical liberals left, can't they start speaking out in the name of liberalism agains't all your commies in disguise?

>>133668355
Why do you continue to ignore the decaying culture of Europe and act like the indefinite coming of migrants is a good thing?

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>>133672672
Right so would you support laws the made this other ethnic group get the fuck out of Europe, because that's what we'll have to do if we are not to be 'weak' as you put it

>>133672672
>If Europeans are to weak to prevent another ethnic group from supplanting then I can't stop that. It is survival of the fittest and sometimes you just have to let nature take it's course.
So in your mind we should be having 7 kids each and blowing them up?
Somehow I don't think you're for that so why are you talking out of your arse

>>133671893
Are you telling me /pol/ has been liberal this entire time and have just been pretending to be conservative ironically? That is a mind rape right there.

>>133671956
I don't hate white people. I just have no preference for them.

>>133672073
Corporate mandated grammar correcter.

>>133672161
Probably focus more on improving the middle class.

>>133672164
I never had that problem. I might not be as far left as non-Americans, but I never really clashed with their ideas.

>>133672304
I already responded. It's hard to keep track.

>>133672408
Islam is no more peaceful then any other religion.

Everyone is going to find a way to make money regardless. We just allowed this to happen.

The current administration has no policies in place yet. So let's hope we can keep running with whatever Obama left us because that is all we got so far.

Bitcoins is the same as banks, people will find a way to make money.

I am rather faggotry, but I'm built in a way that would be considered more intimating.

I'm beyond the need for deadlifts.

>>133672639
Everyone else here, besides you, seems very curious to know what I'm thinking. I'm like a celebrity here.

>>133673237
The republican versus democrat vitriol is so bad, I don't see a center emerging anytime soon. I think it is more likely
> the lefties take over the Democratic party and then disappear into nothing.
> the republicans take full control and then split into two parties.

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>>133668355


Why do you think ALL the countries in history that adopted leftist so called "humanitarian/egalitarian" policies ended in disaster?

How do you explain the mass killings? They were all executed in the name of the "public good". ALL of the leftists/liberals/communists/socialist wanted to "do good" for the people. To help them. Even by force.

How in the world are there always people who think communists are humans when communist is war on humanity?

Literally.

It's a religion that specifically says that you have to kill people just for owning property.

It says that you specifically have to kill people when they disagree with you.

I've got a ten page list of horrorshow that is the communist.

They don't kill because they're "humans." They kill everyone else because they're humans.

>>133674224
>Are you telling me /pol/ has been liberal this entire time and have just been pretending to be conservative ironically? That is a mind rape right there.

I actually believe this. Free thinking will ultimately relearn the wisdom of the last 2000 years.

>>133668918
Why do progressives claim that you're a socialist nation when those policies seem like an (American) republican wet dream?

>>133668355
How to keep the goy from knowing?

>>133669911
So you believe rapists and murderers should simply have to do community service? That's rather insane and not a very good way to teach Ahmed not to rape again.

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>>133668355
What are your religious, cultural, and racial beliefs.

>>133668355
I'm taking aa many blue pills as I can to counteract an overdose of redpills. How do you choke this garbage down?

>>133668355
Are you proud to consider yourself rather 'mentally ill'?

>>133668355
Wouldn't you prefer to have 20% more cash flow to work with per month by abolishing the income tax and welfare state? Why is it preferable to confiscate that wealth and then intervene in the labor market with minimum wage...rather than to simply allow us to make a living wage by keeping what is rightfully ours? You must also justify the moral conundrum of forced virtue, i.e. violating the non-aggression principle in order to commit charity

I'll hang up and listen

>>133674649
>the lefties take over the Democratic party and then disappear into nothing.
isn't there voter base mostly leftists nowadays?

>>133674224
Classical liberalism =/= Left wing, it's more centrist than anything
I am conservative because as of today, liberalism has gone beyond freedom and has now gone into degeneracy, freedom of speech but not freedom to offend and equality has become handicapping the white men and the rich.
It is like a a pendulum that has been forced so hard to the left that it now swings right, we want things back how they were supposed to be.
>I'm like a celebrity here
Don't flatter yourself, we just like to debate

>>133675516
Yes and republicans have about 60% of elected offices when you look at local to federal. So my wild prediction, isn't really that wild.

>>133672973
You think that is the worst thing I've been called?

>>133672995
If violence is the only way they can think of to resolve this problem, do we really need them around? After all, the people replacing them seem smart enough to do so without having to fight about it.

>>133673231
I'm sure there is a lot of things Trump could do to make America better. But the question is will he? And the answer to that is no. But it is fun to think about all the things be could have done instead.

>>133673347
For the same reason I continue to ignore a decaying corpse. If you are not strong enough to protect yourself, then you are not worth saving as a culture. Shhh, close your eyes, just let it happen. It will be over soon.

>>133673720
Would those laws need my support to be effective? Because I don't rule your people, your people do what they think is best for their own well being. Either help people in need or don't. I don't care either way what you do.

>>133673964
Are they sending suicide bomber kids to blow up your country or are you just scared that they might do so? Because those are two different things. I can act on what facts I have, I can't make decisions based on your moment to moment fears. Pick something I can work with.

>>133668355
Why do you think that any of the redpill folk are even salvageable? All they care about is their festering pool of memes and self-congratulation about how enlightened they are - a group authoritarian identity, and they won't listen to outsiders or take anything in good faith.

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>>133675785
Facts > Faith

Who kills the person, the gun or the other person? One word answer not an explanation.

>>133675733
Are they sending suicide bomber kids to blow up your country or are you just scared that they might do so? Because those are two different things. I can act on what facts I have, I can't make decisions based on your moment to moment fears. Pick something I can work with.

They are sending military aged men by the million, all deeply muslim peoples that commit more rapes and sexual assaults than any other demographic, justified in their culture by women not wearing a hijab, when polled 13% support ISIS and another 10% sympathise with them. Every nation that has taken in refugees has been bombed or attacked and they do not assimilate into the culture.
So no it is not an irrational fear.

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>>133675733
>If violence is the only way they can think of to resolve this problem, do we really need them around?
You seem to have a double standard towards the Europeans. You say they are weak if they cannot defend against foreign cultures, yet violence is a way of defending your culture, and it is a part of culture. If Europeans were to wipe out every race and culture but their own, would you say that it is only right because they are the stronger culture?

Why is equality a virtue?

>>133674810
I mean right now the socialist liberal countries are doing really well right now. How do you judge then a country has failed?

It is hard debate communism when you clearly have a different definition of it then what it is commonly know as. So you tell me what you think it is and we'll start from there.

>>133675095
I don't understand your question.

>>133675128
I was raised Jehovah's Witness.

>>133675237
I take it straight into my veins.

>>133675250
Not proud of it, but I do work around it the best I can.

>>133675475
Because that is how you build a functional society. Your wealth goes to support society and your wealth is only has good as society you are in. I don't see to many people eager to start living in countries that have no taxes. If you want the benefits of a healthy society, you have to pay for it. Even if it wasn't taxes, you would still have to pay somehow.

>>133675570
Oh no, you have the freedom to offend all you want, the problem you have is you don't like how people have the freedom to offend you back. You want the freedom to call someone a nigger but you don't want someone to call you racists in exchange. That is not how freedom of speech works, it's not a one way street. Be a man, grow up, take criticism, and stop looking for a safe space for your thoughts. If you can't take your feeling getting hurt then don't say anything.

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>>133677622
>socialist liberal countries
I assume you are talking about the capitalistic social democracies of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, and Finland?

>>133677622
Oh no, you have the freedom to offend all you want, the problem you have is you don't like how people have the freedom to offend you back. You want the freedom to call someone a nigger but you don't want someone to call you racists in exchange. That is not how freedom of speech works, it's not a one way street. Be a man, grow up, take criticism, and stop looking for a safe space for your thoughts. If you can't take your feeling getting hurt then don't say anything.
You are a moron, if I call someone a nigger I lose my job at best and get thrown in prison more likely for hate speech, I could give a fuck what anyone calls me.

>>133678000
Could or couldn't?

It changes the direction of the rant if it's could

>>133668355
If you're a liberal, why do you want to force people to associate with people they don't want to associate with?

>>133668355
Do you know the difference from crony capitalism & capitalism?

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>>133677622

>I mean right now the socialist liberal countries are doing really well right now. How do you judge then a country has failed?

Meanwhile In Venezuela, The Real Mad Max Emerges. Mobs going full Mad Max. A gang of bikers chasing down and attacking a truck (with Molotov cocktails) to steal its sugar payload...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOQfDMTlDjI

> different definition of it then what it is commonly know as.

Can you give me your definition of communism? Or Socialism? You know, what is the difference between Bernies's "Democratic Socialism" and Trotsky's 'Socialist Democracy"? Or simply stated, isn't the same socialism? Why? Where is the difference?

Or wait, here's another one:

"The liberty of man consists solely in this, that he obeys the laws of nature because he has himself recognized them as such, and not because they have been imposed upon him externally by any foreign will whatsoever, human or divine, collective or individual."

Do you like the quote? So much freedom. But the author is Mikhail Bakunin. Colleague with Marx in the First Internationale. One of the first revolutionary anarchists.

>>133677622

>Because that is how you build a functional society. Your wealth goes to support society and your wealth is only has good as society you are in. I don't see to many people eager to start living in countries that have no taxes. If you want the benefits of a healthy society, you have to pay for it. Even if it wasn't taxes, you would still have to pay somehow.

"society" - you mean welfare leeches. Because that's where the money is going, shlomo. It's not going to virtuous, productive people. Spending on welfare far outweighs spending on essential services. Income tax is not necessary. So why do you defend it? You must be either a degenerate yourself or a degenerate enabler.

>>133668355
I know something we don't have in common. I don't have AIDS.

>>133676967
Why did man invent guns if not to kill people? If guns don't kill people, what are they used for?

>>133677179
They are not sending children to blow up my country. And aged men are not child bombers, get your story straight, Earl.

>>133677281
Violence is a way, but it's not the only way. If they wipe out every other culture and race, who would be left to tell them they are wrong for doing so? The victors write history. We have wiped out countless other cultures and races throughout history, do you feel bad for any of those losses? It is what we do as a species. Either Europe will survive or it won't.

>>133668355
Do Jews control the media & secretly or not so secretly conspire to destroy western civilization?

>>133678519
>what are they used for?
hunting, threatening, self defense, protection against government takeover to name a few.

>>133678519
Are you retarded?
I was saying we would need to have seven kids each to be on even terms population growth-wise.
They also blow us up, the two are separate things, by them I meant blowing muslims up, not our kids.

>>133677871
Yes.

>>133678000
Oh right, I forgot you come from a country that doesn't also free speech. We fought for ours, maybe you should do the same?

>>133678296
I don't force people to do anything they don't want too.

>>133678337
I do not. Tell me.

>>133678413
Which definition would you like me to go with? Because I feel you will just keep switching back and forth to whatever meets your narrative.

>>133678443
Why would virtuous and productive people need welfare?

>>133678508
I don't have AIDS either. So we do have that in common. =D

>>133677622
Reddit is the place where dumb people go to act smart. I think you belong there. These are the most blue pilled responses I have ever seen.

>>133679109
>I don't force people to do anything they don't want too.
I don't want to see shitskins, yet you voting for open borders leads to exactly that.

>>133678609
If they do, then they are impressive for having that much control over the world.

>>133678750
And they accomplish that through killing. That is why they are so effective.

>>133678939
Comparatively, we are doing way better at blowing them up then they are blowing us up. Good news, we are winning that competition for sure.

>>133679152
Thank you.

>>133679281
Associating and seeing are two different things. I can't force you to associate with them, I also can't force you were to look.

>>133679519
>If they do, then they are impressive for having that much control over the world.

That's not what I asked though is it kike.

>>133679519
Oh right, I forgot you come from a country that doesn't also free speech. We fought for ours, maybe you should do the same?
I'd like to hear your method for doing that when politicians never follow through on promises and we have no weaponry.

>>133679519
>Comparatively, we are doing way better at blowing them up then they are blowing us up. Good news, we are winning that competition for sure.
>Blowing them up in war that no one voted for
>Having them blow us up in a peaceful country and replacing us through uncontrolled migration that no one voted for
Yes it's all our fault, not the leaders and incredibly wealthy trying to enact the coudenhove-kalergi plan to make for a more controllable populace or anything.
I can feel your white guilt though, faggot

>>133679682
>I can't force you to associate with them
And yet I can't put a "no niggers allowed" sign outside of my property, weird.

>>133680365
While racism is stupid I think you should be allowed to erect a "No niggers allowed" sign because it's your right to free speech

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>>133668355
>You might find we have more in common then you think.
We do, most of the people on this board would've considered themselves liberal 3-5 years ago, you went too far.

All liberals are faggots. Go fucking lynch yourself, nigger.

>>133680570
Underage

>>133668355
Why don't you want people with more money to pay for better healthcare, internet service, etc?

>>133668355

Why haven't you killed yourself yet?

>>133680365
You can, you'll just get fucked up for doing it and the courts probably won't care. "Wahhh my speech has consequences, not fair cuz I never took a 1000 level Constitutional law course :'("

>>133671755
>oh im not that liberal
>thats extreme liberalism

OP doesnt know he/she/it is not liberal but libertarian/centrist, knows nothing about the new political spectrum and nothing about politics

>>133680980
As if, he'd be attacked, shoot the guy and then be put in prison for life for muder because he ''baited'' the nigger

>>133679109
Crony capitalism is this, you're buying an iPhone at your local Apple Store/retailer. After skimming through several types of iPhones the one you want is 750$, but here's the catch it cost apple 150$ to create it. If you do some simple algorithm it comes to 600$ profit every time that type of iPhone sells. This is called crony capitalism & hurts true capitalism.

>>133668355
Why should I have to pay for others' bad decisions? Why should the rest of America foot the bill for unwanted pregnancies, unemployment benefits, healthcare for the obese, etc

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>>133679109
>Can you give me your definition of communism? Or Socialism?


Can you give me your definition of communism? AND THEN the one for Socialism?

Is it that hard? Are you retarded? Please provide proof you are not larping around and you are an actual liberal.

This is not "my" narrative. I don't care about narratives - I have asked for a definition. The question was why they always fail.

The trick with "my special kind of socialism has never been tried" does not work here. Read more Bakunin and you will see why you and Bernie say exactly the same thing.

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>>133682665
He's not a socialist or a communist, he's a capitalist who believes in some government welfare. I don't like him, but you can't really attack him for being a communist.

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>>133684789

The he should use the right word. We'd really like our word back. That's why I said he should define his terms.

>>133668355
Why is it not ok to kill a person on death row who murdered an entire family, but it's ok to kill an unborn child who's done nothing wrong?

Why is it ok with you for celebrities to praise open boarders but live behind walls?

Why is the muslim religion cool, but the christian religion bad?

If the government can't run the dmv why do you think a single payer government run health care will be better?

Why is it ok for liberals to have free speech on campus, but when a conservative comes to talk its just deemed hate speech?

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>>133668355
At what point are white men allowed to finally hit back in your estimation?

>>133668355
No. get out.

'''liberal''' starts thread

Not even a liberal just a bluepilled faggot

Immediately leave when people start giving him arguments that challenge him