Why is Right-Wing media so dark compared to Left-Wing analogues?

Right wing media has a tendency to be more realist rather than idealistic.
inb4 10 feet giants with giant shoulder pads.

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It only seems dark because those settings focus on primarily getting the job done, and feeling second. The left wing analogue you'll notice they'll care a bit more about putting on a good image, or not killing some one.

>>133641811
>I'm not bitter I'm simply realistic

>>133641811
Because reality is "dark" and "right-wingers" tend to be more practical?

>>133641811
Great art reflects the world around you.

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Because "right wingers" tend to be cynical (change is never good)

And "left wingers" tend to be idealistic (change is the only good)

leftists are sheltered and delusional, think there's infinite resources out there, think we are all equal, we should all have everything, infinite second chances, etc

right wingers know the truth, that competition and struggle are real, that the stakes are high, etc
most leftists stop being leftists when they start paying taxes, or start a family, and realize it took them 10 years to build these things and they can be wiped out completely in less than a day

>tl;dr
leftism is just a phase for sheltered college kids, and old leftists are just abusing their infantile thinking for personal gain

>>133641811
>star wars
>murders children
>kills father
>destorys entire planet
>destorys entire system
>main protagonist over the whole series is the main villain
>not dark

How is Warhammer 40k "right wing"?

>>133641811
Probably because one of the first left-right divides was that the left believes humans are good and institutions make them bad (see Rousseau) whereas the right believes either the opposite or humans are neutral.

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>>133642870
People don't get that it's a satire and buy into the Imperial line at face value like fucking retards.

Just like /pol/ tbqh

>>133643003
Yeah that is what I figured, thread of 16 year olds jerking eachother off /exits

>>133641811
Conservatives are more realists. The world is indeed a dark place.

left wing is all hippie/love/dont step in my safe space type shit.

realism vs delusion.

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>>133641811
wicked warhammers mate

>>133641811

Which of these is right wing or left wing? Besides the first comparison, none of them appear to be particularly political, and the first is mainly because Star Trek is staunchly left wing while troopers isn't particularly one way or another.

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>>133642001
This isnt leddit sage dont do shit and you bumped the thread.
>>133641811
> Star Trek and most Sci-Fi vs. Starship Troopers and most Heinlein
> Harry Potter vs. Lord of the Rings
> Star Wars vs. Warhammer 40K
>Not to mention things like Dredd and Robocop
Right wingers are more likely to end up as actually believe might makes right while a liberal believes we can "coexist"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miQ1IudBL48

>>133641811
When you have a dark vision of the world, it is cathartic to see that other people recognize this as well.

>>133643003
>crissy moran
many faps were had

>>133641811
More realistic view of the world

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Posts ending in 7 get decimated

>>133641970
Or at least more fear mongering.

>>133642001
>I'm not naive I'm simply optimistic

>>133641811
Because conservatives think they're edgelords by choosing all the violent/dark shit. They still haven't grown up mentally.

>>133643003
40k is over the top grimdark memery. It's not deep enough to be satire.

Starship Troopers is though. It's an anti war/military industrial complex satire and anyone taking it at face value is a moron.

>>133641811
Star Trek is not a warm place, it's a veneer and they make that clear many times.

Its also centre right.

>>133641811
Cause leftests want everyone to feel happy and don't worry about things cause it will all come out perfect in the end.

People on the right are more realistic.

>>133642733
But you never have time to think about what happened except when it comes to Anikan.

>>133643884
Reduced by a tenth? For what purpose?

>>133644074
>>133644048
>>133643998
>>133643965
Go drink some timbs and eat a hockey puck.
I really dont think canada can cry about big meanie right wing death squads when we never have been invaded by a country.
>See europe history.

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>>133641811
>LoTR
>dark
It's the most hopeful story I know of.
There was a slim chance for the heroes to win, for Aragon to be seated as king, for them to defeat Sauron, and yet they manage to pull it off.

>>133644301
Because of your failures and war is hell

>>133641811
Star Wars got dark for a few times. Memba when that whole room of aliens were beheaded in a kids show?

Because franchises like Star Trek don't bother to explain how society actually runs or functions for civilians. They say there is no currency and that Earth is like a utopia, but they don't explain what people do with their lives.

They say people can follow their own passions, but who chooses to be a batista or a waiter?

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>>133643998
Only the Movie you stupid fucking moron. A movie directed by the Robocop director.
You realize it was a based of a book, right? You realize how influential that book was to military thinking, right?

>>133644357
LOTR is basically Western civilization in written form. the brave hero fighting against the odds

>>133644491
I wouldn't mind being a batista in space, seemed to work out for the gotg

>>133644357
LOTR is still pretty fucking dark. Like Smeagol and Frodo's mental health just getting decimated. The children fighting at Helm's Deep and Denethor sending Faramir to die.

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>>133641811

>>133643884
Best traitor primarch

>>133643998
Book is not ironic. Heinlein explores different human organizations in many of his books and is pretty honest about the mixed bag you get in all cases.

>>133644597
IM DOING MY PART, ARE YOU?

>>133644309
>live in an extremely young, new world empire that never got invaded due to isolation, peaceful neighbors and remaining loyal to the crown
>This somehow invalidates any realistic observation one could make about the world being an unhappy, shitty place for the most part

Really activated my almonds.

>>133643998

The director was too much of a lefty to portray Henlien's redpills and decided to make a silly spoof.

>>133644926
Yeah, but that's what makes it good. It acknowledges that giving into power and temptation turns you into a crazy miserable creature that talks to himself and lives in the dark. It's Tolkien trying to steer children away from that path of temptation, like drug use or alcoholism.
The entire story is a coming of age tale (halflings are supposed to represent children) that the adults (men and elves) cannot accept the task for you, it has to be you that takes what temps you and corrupts you and it must be you (frodo+sam) that cast that into the fires on your own.
It's such a good story. The more I go back and read it the more things start to stand out to me, it's like I can take a different meaning from his works each time I read it.

>>133642733
>40k
>super demon gods threatening to swallow entire galaxy
>super reproducing war loving orcs threaten to kill everything
>extragalactic nomming swarm threatens to swarm the entire galaxy with a gazillion nonillion ships and they fuck with your communications too
>death skeleton warriors from the far past want to assert dominance because they waited for it
>humanity has been in a constant downward spiral for 10 millenia because of this but holds together under authoritarianism

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>>133641811
How the fuck is 40k left-wing or right-wing?

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>>133641811
Because it's cool as fuck maybe?

>>133641811
because the world isn't a liberal delusional la-la land and "right winger media" knows it. Putting up pink-lens glasses won't make it better, so better show it as it is, through violent allegories and the most effective warning imagery about how things could be shit if you play stupid games and make shit choices.

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Great Crusade when?

>>133646078
Is this bait?
>Emperor wages holy war to purify universe
??
>>133641811
Because right-wing are realist.

>>133644597
>You realize how influential that book was to military thinking, right?

Nice meme. I'm sure a half baked sci-fi novel changed so much.


>>133645103
The book =\= movie. This goes without saying.

>>133646331
You didn't even know there was a book before we replied to your post, did you?

>>133645965
Also lefties would get easy peasy coaxed into chaos because they're degenerates just like chaos.

>>133641811
Because weknow that "vita est militia", that we ought to fight the good fight and die for the cause: that no sacrifice is too great and no compromise can be accepted.
We can have our moments of joy, fun and even delight, but we live in a vale of tears and we born and die in battle or we whittle away.

>>133641970
In the themes and brutality of their worlds, for sure.

>>133641811
>feminine vs. masculine

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>>133642213
And that are we, radical centrists?

>>133641811
The left are idealistic to the point of straight naivety.

Their view points are lovely and nice but unfortunately don't hold up in reality, hence why it is so difficult to make them change their views as in their unrealistic framework they hold the unassailable moral high ground.

Until they realise the world isn't such a simple and fair place they won't begin to understand tough decisions have to be made and most policies are tradeoffs or at least compromises. (For evidence see communism, a lovely idea from their viewpoint where everyone will be rich and prosperous, when in reality power is abused and most people fall into abject poverty as human nature takes hold)

>>133646303
>Emperor wages holy war to purify universe
That was back during 30k, and it kinda went to shit and failed before it was successfully finished (thanks Horus). By the time of 40k the Imperium is degenerated to a far weaker state than they were 10k years before. The imperium is not shown in a good light
>It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries The Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods, and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day, so that he may never truly die
>Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-infested miasma of the Warp, the only route between distant stars their way lit by the Astronomican, the psychic manifestation of the Emperor's will. Vast armies give battle in his name on uncounted worlds. Greatest amongst his soldiers are the Adeptus Astartes, the Space Marines, bio-engineered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Imperial Guard and countless planetary defence forces, the ever vigilant Inquisition and the tech-priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from aliens heretics mutants and worse.
>To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods

>>133646078
lol 40k is fashy as fuck

>>133644357
dark does not mean without hope...look at the Gospel: before rising from the grave on the third day, Jesus Christ had to go through terrible torments and bear them all pantiently; “Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed.”to quote G.K. Chesterton, and we know those metaphors to hold a great deal of truth.

>>133641811
It's "dark" because you were programmed to see it that way. Right wing politics is the only way to keep civilization on track, believe it or not, while left wing is the deconstruction. Trying "new" (degenerate) things has never ended well for a civilization

>>133641811
Reality is a mean bitch.

>>133647678
I love the Tau: perfect mockery of left-wing weaboos (who don't realize the Eldars are the real Japanese people of WH40K).

>>133641811
left wing media usualy is idealism like multicultral society's and replicators destroying poverty.

while right wing media is usualy more grounded in reality and not so idealistic.

>>133643965
>leaf telling others that they aren't grown up mentally

oh Im laffin

Most 'right' wing literature is written either by conservatives, neocons, or liberals. Reactionary literature is hopeful and passionate, look at The Lord of the Rings.

>>133641811
How do we define right and left media? Why is Harry Potter left wing and warhammer isn't?

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>>133646078
The human empire is a fascist one. I don't even know that much about it and it's just obvious. That's like say Zeon from Gundam isn't natsoc despite the obvious undertones

>>133645452
>live in an extremely young, new world empire that never got invaded due to isolation, peaceful neighbors and remaining loyal to the crown
That was my point.
European countrys are pack together along with usa and Canadian wilderness you never have been invaded.
Merica likes guns because we are sick of fighting tyranny.
But keep sucking the crown cock.
Fuck man you cant see why most people turn militaristic when country's get invaded due to weak military?
Hows all those refugees doing in Canada still molesting little boys and girls in swimming pools?
I heard they shout in Arabic and attack women and men alike.

>>133642213
Mosley was a futurist.

>>133648224
>look at The Lord of the Rings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oQvjDU9PGw
Beautiful.

>>133641811
Heinlein stories aren't dark and I'm not sure why you'd call them "right-wing". They're just weird with very strange ideas about, well, everything.

Should I get Starship Troopers off Audible after I finish my current book?

>>133643998
Look at this leaf subhuman, what a worthless piece of bio waste.
>knows only the movie
>never read the book
>doesn't know about leftists bitching about the book being fascist

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>>133641811
Because Leftists are weak and go along with anything that continues to propagate and justify weakness, cuckery and degeneracy.

>>133646331
The book was on the USMC Commandant's Reading List when I was active duty... As was the Art of War

>>133646331
Well done showing off your ignorance

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>>133641811
>lotr
>dark
are you actually retarded?

>>133648706
Boromir is one of the best flawed character in the book...even if in the movie they made him a bit more grumpy and upset than in the source material, I liked how Sean Bean played him.

How is LotR right wing? It's not a political story at all. Tolkien said many times it's not meant to be an allegory.

>>133646303
>Is this bait?
>>Emperor wages holy war to purify universe
That's hollywood rightwing. You're letting yourself be defined by your enemy. Also, "rightwing" is a term that doesn't really mean anything in the context of media because rightwing ideologies differ so much.

>>133649620
WW1 was pretty dark anon

>>133642870
It's literally catholic dark ages in space

>>133647009

this.

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>>133648287
>Why is Harry Potter left wing
JK Rowling is lefty as hell, and if you take tweets as acceptable revisions to canon, she has made Hermione black and Dumbledore gay for Harry (and possibly a pedophile). While it is her right as the creator, the decisions were made for the shallowest of reasons: Appeasing the liberal hordes with virtue signaling.
This decision also came out after 8 movies where Hermione was depicted as white so it seems a bit late to make these sorts of changes.

It is also the only book liberals/millenials seem capable of referencing or making allusions to, which they can't even get right half the time.

Warhammer for the most part sticks to its guns about what it's about and doesn't go out of its way to please liberals, which is actually kind of surprising.
Most of the controversy surrounding 40k is when a new codex comes out and fucks over your army.

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>>133648444
What a (((coincidence)))!

>>133649734
Try reading/watching Beowulf if you have not.
Another flawed character that is just an ordinary man with a choice.

>>133650150
Catholic dark ages are a leftist myth.

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>>133649294
>Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in they name have cast out devils? and in they name done many wonderful works?
>And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

>>133650985
This

>>133643919
>Being this retarded
right has more fear mongering? compared to what exactly? Certainly not compared to the left. All the left media shows is rape shootings and disasters. For your sake I hope you have a developmental disorder, that is the only excuse for that abhorrent post

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>>133645965
Yeah I realize it's a parody, but I love 40k.
Especially when you find out Slaanesh was created by the cosmically absurd amount of degenerate acts the Eldar were committing.

>>133642421
>most leftists stop being leftists when they start paying taxes, or start a family, and realize it took them 10 years to build these things and they can be wiped out completely in less than a day
Epic meme.

>>133644301
Please look up the definition of decimated and have a quick pensive moment

>>133643919
"Yes goy, why are you afraid of jumping off cliffs? Don't let other fear monger"

>>133645965
Forgot
>Group of hyper degenerate leftists fuck so much they create a whole new chaotic God of destruction
>The main force holding humanity and the galaxy together is slowly dying
>Thousands of people are sacrificed everyday in order to keep humanity safe from said demonic gods

>>133650870
I have to read that one too...flawed characters are the most intriguing ones, even when they are not the central characters (see Kichijiro in Endo's novel Silence).

>>133651103
Indeed, we must use our talents for good and not wickedness...hence why we must train our will, our cunning and our conscience.

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>>133641811
because reality and truth is grim

theres a reason these leftist libtards need a safe space they cant handle the truth

>>133652135
I do agree, but that quote is intended to mean that your works will not save you, only belief in jesus will save you. nothing else

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>>133646331
>Nice meme. I'm sure a half baked sci-fi novel changed so much.

You are retarded. The book was influential because of how much it went into the motivation and justification of war, not because of the spaceships. It's like saying Art of War is inapplicable because we don't carry supplies with horse-drawn carts.

It was also the first book to ever describe "power armor", so none of your other scifi would exist without it.

>>133646408
>having your whole insult rest on a retarded assumption
wanna know how i know you are a liberal?

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>>133652964
>calls me a liberal when I'm defending a fashy based fiction
Want to know how I know that you are a low IQ suburban or rural retard?

>>133646082
Gundam is right wing as well. The rise of Zeon and murder of Zeon Deikun mirror the soviet union and their idealistic movement. Char's counterattack is also anti extreme environmentalist, where it says that those who care more about the environment than the lives of men are crazy people who must be stopped.

>>133653343
>Want to know how I know that you are a low IQ suburban or rural retard?
>calls me a low IQ suburban or rural retard when im at 150 IQ jew from new york
inb4 ur mad now

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>>133652508
I fucking love this.

>>133653469
>150 IQ jew from new york
Joe? is that you?

>>133650321
Harry potter isnt left wing. Its Hitler tier right wing. There is apartheird between humans and wizards in the setting.

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>>133653469
Jokes on you fag, I am a suburban retard.

>>133648328
Zeon is communist, with Char's father being an aglimation of early soviet leaders like Trotsky and Lenin, and the Zabis being more like Stalinists. The titans from zeta gundam are nat socialists, whose purpose is to establish earthnoid dominance over the idealistic space colonies.

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Right wingers are romanticists n shit

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>>133645025
>jews are ruinous powers of chaos
>niggers are the tyranids
>space orks are the lesser mud races spics, nigger gooks, arabs
>chaos space marines are antifa
>adolf was the emperor
>trump is robat guillman

>>133653706
I would have gone for the religious undertones, but you're actually right.
Wizards consider regular humans so inferior they don't even question ravaging their mental health.

>>133641970

It's more that Right Wing media pivots on fear and cynicism. Left Wing media tends to be more hopeful with positive outcomes.

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>>133641811
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

>>133646082
>>133646082
what is this from?

>>133654123
The writer is a private school cunt fake liberal.
Magic = money.

>>133653891
It's actually true though. Right wingers don't like casual dating, and would rather try finding a soul mate.

>>133654158
RUSSIA THOUGH

>>133651112
That doesn't mean that isn't what 40k is

>>133644357
Reading it right now. It's very beautiful book. I'm also thoroughly enjoying all of these orc memes.

>>133651427
Literally "punishment by tenths"

>>133648005
(((Ethereals)))

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>>133647257
>radical centrists

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>>133654726
>he doesn't know
Keep fighting your left/right wars

>>133641811
all of those are left wing
just because something is edgy doesnt make it pro Trump nigger

>>133652508
Gee who do I sign up for

>>133654989
>Trump
>right wing

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>>133641811
>Thinks Star Trek is left wing.. A story about an Anarcho-Capitalist advancing humanity into space with the motivation of pussy and money by inventing a warp vessel out of a hollowed out undetonated ICBM after commies and socialists destroyed most of the world in WW3..

>>133643919
Right
>If you let 80 million 70 IQ shitskins into your country it will become less productive.

Left
>IF WHITE PEOPLE HAVE CHILDREN THE PLANET WILL EXPLODE

Right
>If you normalize a mental illness/social disorder more people will get it

Left
>IF WE DON'T TAX EVERYONE 80% CHILDREN WILL DIE IN THE STREET!

>>133641811
>Why is Right-Wing media so dark compared to Left-Wing analogues?
Right-wingers realize that sacrifices have to be made.

>>133654158
The modern right wing literally build around a book called "the good news"

>>133641811
>nothing is new under the sun so don't even try?
No. Might as well be progressive because it's impossible to give the daddy issues' right what it cries about

>>133654876

I think you completely misunderstand my post...

>>133643534
Starship Troopers is known to be a fascist book, with the movie certainly lampooning this. It's a well know, well written about, right-wing fiction.

You are just ignorant.

>>133655392
Hence all the dick in the shower scenes

>>133654989
>lord of the rings
>left wing
t. I've only seen the movies guys.

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>>133641811
god is dead, long live god

>>133655131
which lead to fully automated luxury space communism....im not a ancap anymore

>>133655438
i rewatched it recently and only seen titties in that scene, stupid faggot

>I asked Land what he thought of left accelerationism. “The notion that self-propelling technology is separable from capitalism,” he said, “is a deep theoretical error.”

Here's the real issue. The Left believe that they own the term "progress," but in actuality they do not. In order to actually be progressive in the material sense, you have to be right wing. You have to accept hierarchies and differences as natural and simply push forward materially.

The Left is obsessed not with advancement but with equality. Make everything equal, they say, and everything will be good!

But that isn't advancement. That isn't progress. That's stagnation. A desire to even everything out. The Right craves mountains to climb because mountains are different, they are elevated, they are NEW, and new things are never equal to old things.

The Leftist fantasy utopia would not be seeking out new life and new civilizations but rotting on Earth eating kale and enjoying fully automated luxury communism like fucking Jahans wants to. The pioneer spirit is intrinsically Right Wing.

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>>133655319
I think you completely misunderstand my post...

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>>133655615
Forgot my picture.

>>133655539
Roddenbury was a commie, but what he depicted was not a communist civilization, it was a hierarchy, a meritocracy, the functional opposite of a communist society.

>>133655579
Yeah eh. Nice 300+ million Dollar boxing match you have coming up huh? Im a nigger from the waist down hurr let's get wasted and etc etc etc

Because the real world is not roses and fairy tales?

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>>133655758
That's what you make work and going to the bank sound like. We want the best quality of life. You want upside down molech stars

>>133655539
Replicators != communism. There is still private property and half the episodes of TNG for example espouse the importance of self-ownership and individual liberty. The closest thing to communism in Star Trek is the borg, and they're clearly villains.

>>133655439
not sure whats so right wing about a multicultural team of different races from different kingdoms fighting against a single race hellbent to conquer the world with a single pissy spergy cynical trump like figure at the helm

>>133641970
fpbp

>>133641811
I dont think star wars is inherently left wing. I think thats just the case with the movies that were made, they had the whole "good guys always win" thing going on, and the rebels are basically a bunch of space hippies and egalitarian faggots. But the empire did nothing wrong. This is what star wars could've been: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzq9epS2b1A

>>133641811
left wing media has dark shit to you dumb fuck.

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Have you not noticed that most movies about the future that jewlywood pumps about are dystopian? Zombies, the fall of civilization, authoritarian regimes... it's all bleak and coming from jew studios.

>>133655858
Give up. There aren't many cubes in commie symbolism i can think of. Maybe apartment blocks but that's not "official". I can think of a group that likes cubes though and they are why the left gets shat on perpetually

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The right wing is nationalistic and honestly hierarchical. They draw loyalty from the fear of either an outside enemy or/and interior ones. Propaganda is about these fears. They are pessimistic.

The far left fools people with an unachievable utopia. They want the population to believe that someday they will achieve some sort of egalitarian paradise (despite the regime itself being tyrannical and almost cast based). Therefore their propaganda represents prosperity and well being. They are optimist. Although the far left usually uses "the rich" as their main adversary too.

They are all cancer and their arguments are bullshit meant to enslave everyone.

>>133643534

Starship troopers is what the world would be in the future had hitler won

>>133641811

Robocop setting is full blown ancap lol. At least the one from the 80's.

>>133656063
Not enough haavara

>>133655187
Best answer so far.

>>133641970
The fundamental difference between left versus right is their views on the nature of man.
Rightwingers are skeptical and think we need to protect ourselves from the government.
Leftwingers believe humans consciousness is evolving and we just need to educate ourselves.

>>133641811
>Star Wars vs. Warhammer 40K

What kind of fucking comparison is that

compare disney Star Wars vs lucas Star Wars

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>>133641811

I am not an expert in the other stuff, however, I think that starwars is perhaps the most powerful because it has been deliberately based on occultic and religious research and thus acts as a greater magical medium.

Additionally I feel it is important to point out that Chris Weitz called the Galactic Empire, a "white supremacist" empire...

His tweet was deleted, however, this is really quite fucking hilarious really because, honestly, the galactic empire is a vast wealth of memeable material.

They handed this to us on a plate.

We would be foolish not to use it.

The stormtrooper helmet could easily be the new Guy Fawx mask.

>>133655988
>They draw loyalty from the fear of either an outside enemy or/and interior ones

An actual nationalist would describe that as "love for ones own" and never would use fear of the outside to further the cause. There is no fear or pessimism in the propaganda involved. It takes positive values like pride, honesty, determination and sacrifice trying to influence/convince the people.

Look at the Nazi propaganda for instance, it was like 5-10% about "evil capitalists" (not only jews) and the rest was positive stuff for the people.

>>133656393

>compare disney Star Wars vs lucas Star Wars

Oh where to fucking begin...

>>133647678
>>133648328
No it's not, the imperium is a decentralized feudal theocratic empire. Some of it's looks draw from facists, but it's certainly not facist in it's goverment.

>>133650870
The recent animated beowulf corrupts the character to no end.

In the book he is like a white knight, as far as I remember.

>>133655713

It depends what you mean by communism.

I think Star Trek depicted a healthy socialist system, where humanity still has hierarchies, but has abolished commodities and money. The federation is also one unified culture despite being made up of different races, and species.

If we use the common understanding of communism, then commies are the borg in Star Trek.

>>133644597

dude 90% of this country are cunts and cucks... This kid doesnt even realize how bad it could really be... you could show him how south of the border they treat people with 5$ drug debts by cutting their limbs off, and he probably would still want open borders.

>>133645452

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I think Warhammer 40k is the most accurate description of human nature in sci-fi.
>Example: If you erase religion people will create a new one (Imperial Cult) or will fall under a worst one (Chaos). Like when people left christianity for the new age shit or the stupid white bitches who convert to Islam because is cool.

>>133656577
lets hear it

>>133654379
reverse image lookup....

Its gundam 08th ms team, one of the few versions of gundam that isn't 12 year olds in space where everyone they fight magically never dies.

>>133655872
This fuckin yokel thinks trump is literally like hitler omg guies.
Fuck off.

>>133655988
>The right wing is nationalistic and honestly hierarchical. They draw loyalty from the fear of either an outside enemy or/and interior ones. Propaganda is about these fears. They are pessimistic.
Most of the people here are only right wing because there are enemies both without and within, and they're currently winning.

Most right wing media is about heroism of individuals who oppose a collective

Most left wing media is about people forming collectives to fight and oppressive force/share peace.

some inversions do occur, such as cosmic horror stories, despite being about the death of individual importance, are usually right wing

>>133656533

That trick is as old as the tyrant described by Plato. An authoritarian autocrat wannabe MUST use some sort of menace to justify his legitimacy. It allows him to request sacrifices from the populace in order to empower himself, not to mention that it leads for some to consider him "the lesser of two evils".

Let me put it this way: if Hitler loved Germany so much and its people, why didnt he surrender to the allied forces once the war was lost and decided instead to sacrifice the elder and the young while blowing up/burning what was left and subjecting part of it to the Soviet occupation?

It was his will vs the world. Thats how it works.

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>>133654158
>>133655187
Reality is bleak and dark as fuck and pretending otherwise or that one day that might not be the case is, frankly, childish fantasy
>cancer
>the crippled
>devastating birth defects to loving happy couples
>crackheads
Envision how to avoid a darker future rather than ignore it imho
>Orwell was right about everything
>>133656393
>>133656651
These

>>133641811
Leftists think all humans are inherently good, even bad people can be turned good with hugs and kisses.

Right-wingers know man is evil and the good is an anomaly

>>133657096

>second paragraph is for the "love for ones own"

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>>133655988
What a shit opinion.

>>133641811
The world in general is dark. The left has always appealed to childishly idealistic thought whereas the right has always appealed to mature sometimes fatalistic thought. Why do you think people normally become more conservative as they grow older?

>>133641811
Right-wing is about harsh reality

Left-wing is about childish fantasy

>>133657096
>An authoritarian autocrat wannabe MUST use some sort of menace to justify his legitimacy.

He also must unite his people against legitimate threats like Communism.

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>>133656462
>The Empire is a White Supremacist organization
>Lando was allowed to administer a whole city
>Finn was a stormtrooper
The Rebels didn't even have a black person till Lando joined them

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>>133656968

>>133655988

When you take lines of thought to their extreme end you arrive at absurd and psychotic situations.

The extreme vision of left wing society as you say, is a society where all problems have been resolved, no antagonisms exist, and anyone against this progression is an adversary. (this vision began with utopian christian socialism)

The right wing however taken to its extreme ends you have an extremely pessimistic vision of the world as a darwinian struggle of all against each other. (i.e. the ancap fantasy, or the Turner diaries)

The point isn't to arrive to a radical centrist position or pragmatism, but to take good things from each and to dialectically fuse them to a vision that makes sense. For example the right proposes fidelity to ones community,duty and tradition, but from the left one could also take the criticisms directed against practices like extreme exploitation, unfair accumulation of wealth or usury that hurt that said community in the first place.

>>133657695

Im not saying the threats are always false. They can be real. But for them to rule without one is just too hard.

And no, their end game is not the prosperity of their people. Its their own prosperity. This goes for both the far left and the far right (totalitarian cancer).

>>133657557
not necessarily childish fantasy, but mainly just general overt optimism that progress in itself will solve every problem.

Take Star Trek for example and the Federation, somehow they eleminated racism/sexism AND also aparenty are able to mostly live with their neighbor species without any sort of fear. In reality, the Federation would probably be even more racist than we are right now, maybe traditional "your skin is different" racism might become unpopular, but you can be your ass that Vulcan's would be called elfs, and Klingons would be treated like shit.

Left ranks higher in neuroticism, so they spend less time looking at upsetting things. They rank lower in disgust sensitivity, so their preference is for edgier humor.

Of course there are right wing neurotics and easily disgusted lefties, but those are the trends.

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>>133657890
>For example the right proposes fidelity to ones community,duty and tradition, but from the left one could also take the criticisms directed against practices like extreme exploitation, unfair accumulation of wealth or usury that hurt that said community

You Gommunists suck at whatever the fuck you think you're doing

>>133641811
Because reality sucks.

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>>133658171
>easily disgusted lefties
>rare

Dude did you just get the internet today

hallo, grandma

don't drool into the keyboard

>>133657890
>right wing
>all against each other
why do communists even try anymore?

>>133641811
>Dredd
>Robocop
>rightwing
What planet are you from?

>>133654158
>Left Wing media tends to be more hopeful with positive outcomes.
What's hopeful and positive about exterminating white people and civilization?

>still believing in the "left vs right" meme

It is individualism vs collectivism

>>133650742
lel

>>133657424
Good family, friends and wife he is also content with life and what he is.
Homer is the way of a content man.

>>133642870
it's a hyperbole that is enjoyed by both religious people and fascists

>>133646078

> being this baka

We don't live in some fairytale land where India poos rainbows and Muslims will magically fix the world.

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>>133658663
>ignoring that the only reason he has that cushy life is because his forefathers afforded it for him
"content" centrist are literally just overgrown children

>>133658370

I said extreme right wing, like 14/88 larping about the day of the rope, and viewing other races like cockroaches. That right wing devolves into the same type of idealism as bolshevism seeking a resolution of all conflict in an apocalyptic war.

On the other hand a right wing which accepts hierarchies, and antagonism as going beyond just race or whatever is a right-wing that's pragmatic and realistic. There is no reason for extreme fatalism, one should always posit a positive and confident vision for the future of ones community. This means also avoiding the extreme sjw homogenizing vision of the current left.

>>133657096
>why didnt he surrender to the allied forces

Because for the allies, the goal of the war was the destruction of germany and it's economic prowess. Surrendering would have meant the end of national socialism and the end result would be at least the same we see today. Rising liberalism, race mixing, usury, private central banking etc...

What would have been the point in surrendering if your race will die within 100-200 years just like today? He knew that from the fact that the allies, or rather churchill, refused any kind of peace no matter the conditions. Even offering going back to pre 1939 state in terms of borders/occupation didn't work, only unconditional surrender. And that was really not an option when you overran poland and france within 4 weeks each.

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>>133658495

>>133650122
In Galipoli it was real dark, anon

>>133653706
Rowling's books are a lot more conservative than she is.

>>133659109

Because he knew he would be either shot or see the rope once captured, therefore, out of rage and spite, he decided to end himself and those around him to cause as much harm as possible to his enemy. He could give less of a fuck to the German people at that point. He was cornered.

>>133656724

>lets hear it

Real star wars is based on myths and honesty. It's why it works for so many people. That was literally the point lucas was making.
The universe itself allows for a lot of issues to be explored on a personal level.
The "psychic battles" between siths and jedi, darkside and lightside, easily translate into politics and internet warfare.
It is also traditionalist, and thus can be viewed as authentic.

Fake new star wars is detached from the original creative and wise force and has become a mere cheap imitation of greater art. It looks like star wars, sounds like star wars (though the music seems to be inferior now, no good songs from TFA), but it does not feel like starwars.
It is also a vehicle to push a social agenda that is by its very nature, at odds with the radical traditionalism, wisdom and reality.
The creators also don't seem to really understand that the drama and heroism basically comes from flawed people going up against forces greater than themselves, and ultimately having to pull something out of the bag in order to win.

People can identify with this shit. Most people deal with this.

Because of retarding feminist influences, the "strong females" cannot be anything other than strong females, and thus star wars has become a Chuck Norris theatre.

Chuck norris movies are funny because he usually plays characters without flaws who easily breeze over their problems.

Figuratively and perhaps, literally, real star wars has magic. New star wars does not have magic.

People shit on the prequels but really, they had so much magic packed into them that they kind of couldn't contain it all, that's where it looks a bit iffy.

New star wars by contrast is just empty for the most part though, Kylo Ren, has potential.
Ironically.
He's very similar to anakin skywalker.

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>>133657998
>AND also aparenty are able to mostly live with their neighbor species without any sort of fear.
That's only with the ones who integrated into the Federation and share the same values.
The Klingons, Romulans and Cardasians are a total different matter.

Elon Musk has a screenplay for "Escape from South Africa"
Likes in Hollywood wont go near it

Sad!

>>133653706
The problem is that it is a right wing story written by a leftist, i remember Rowling saying something like Voldermort can be killed by some guy with a shotgun

>>133655919
in the EU its even suggested the Emperor was militarizing the republic to fight off the impending yuuzhan vong invasion. He would have crushed the extra galactic invasion when it came with death stars/super star destroyers and other super weapons but instead the empire was in disarray controlled by dozens of warlords and the republic was weak. Trillions died in the coming war, including chewbacca, because they killed Palpatine.

>>133641811
because it doesn't lie to you constantly like you're an infant

>>133641811
Because we know what its happening to whits and it looks very dark for us
And our media reflects

>>133641981
Soo they look dark because they focuse on reality

>>133659409
The 'Harry Potter World is Fascist' memes are great

>>133659473

We are talking about 1939-1940 here where all was well and the Allies could do shit to him/Germany at that point. Even then, everything was refused and no peace could be achieved. Thus, it was "keep fighting and win". There literally was no other option, either fight or win or die forever (i.e. defeat or surrender, no difference in the long run).

>>133657716

The nazis had black soldiers and japanese allies.
But yeah, it's absurd to call the empire white supremacist, however, the fact that the REAL enemy actually want to attempt this = good for us.

We will GLADLY take up the aesthetics of the galactic empire.

They can have the stinky rebel aesthetics.

Ironically, in reality, we are closer to the rebel alliance. They are closer to the empire.

This means that we get 1) the best aesthetics, 2) the role of the heroes.

>>133641811
it's basically reality vs. fantasy. life is dark.

>>133641811
4 words:

A sense for tragedy.

>>133641811
> not wanting to purge the heretic
> being this much of a chaos worshipper

>>133659777

All he had to do is order a mass surrendering to the allied forces. Even possibly mass evacuations from the East.

But no. Give weapons to the old farts and children. "If I am to lose I'l take everyone with me."

>>133642940
That's why the left wants more institutions. I think I'm liberal. I fucking hate the left. They are not liberals. They are statists or fascists. I'd rather align with conservatives, even though I don't feel you need to hate the poor people and there is some benefit to cooperation into the government, but not under this regime. This left has no good "change" for as long as I remember. And they are into forcing everyone under the inept government umbrella that they believe should be as unaccountable as possible. I'd take conservative vision over this shit. At least it will not get worst.

>>133659904
I applaude you, sir.

>>133645824
Just wait till you realize LOTR is mostly a true story. Saturn = Sauron and the occult priesthood that worships him still use the symbols of the eye and the ring today. Just look at the lidless eye on the top of Barad-dur on the back of your dollar bill.

>>133657998
especially since by then the world would be overrun by Planet of the Apes-tier niggers, and niggers are the most racist tribalistic selfish trash.

The Vulcans would probably discretely "leak" on our coordinates to their Romulan cousins, who would nuke us from orbit to save the galaxy from the nigger invasion.

>>133660075
>All he had to do is order a mass surrendering to the allied forces.

And the result would be? Removal of National socialism, going back to capitalism and democracy, private central banking etc... and we would be at the same point we are today.

In what world would have been surrendering to the allies be a reasonable choice in 1940 when you steamrolled half of Europe already and Britain is shitting their pants? What you propose is a complete unrealistic scenario making no sense whatsoever, especially considering the circumstances. Even with knowledge of the future (i.e. today), surrendering would still not seem like a good option.

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>>133653748
>Zeon is communist
Dude, are you retarded?

https://youtu.be/tlJ5j-hSUmQ

>hur dur everything having to do with the Imperium of Man is good and everything else evil dururrurur

>>133648005
I thought eldar was basically us
Think about it
>dark god of degeneracy created by horrendous degenerates
Where do we see that
>minority that tries to escape the shitstorm by leaving
Sounds like us and the rest of rightwing and sane people

>>133654997
The Imperial Guard faggot.

>>133659059
I truly hate when people dont realize they have what they have due to sacrifices from their forefathers.

>>133659473
>out of rage and spite, he decided to end himself
He moved to Brazil is they new theory as of late.

>>133656712
Moar explanation pls

>>133642213
>Because "right wingers" tend to be cynical (change is never good)

No, change can be bad, while the left thinks that change can only be good.

>>133660973
What do you think
Is 40k right wing? And if soo explain
I think its rightwing because of many things fist off the Eldar Empires Fall
>Dark god created by degenerate and abhorrent acts
Where do we see that? Oh yes in western civilization
>minority disgusted by acts escapes and live a life of exile
That could be the white race trying to save itself

>>133649620
Read the Silmarillion my dude

>>133641811
>delusional fiction vs realistic fiction

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>>133641811
Cause it's not for brainlets

Right is more of a stance on duty. The main isn't realy thrilled about the job, but it NEEDS to get done or things die
Left is more, YOU are the hero so you CAN do it. You got this.

>>133662468
>>133662468
lpbp

Yea the Star Wars films were all pretty light except for V and III but large parts of the extended universe were pretty damn dark (from both sides). That was the main reason most fans of the extended universe were worried about Disney buying Lucasfilms, coz it would mean that not only would this (typically) more thematically complex extended universe all go, but Disney would no longer be catering for such an audience as they would just be cashing out on nostalgia - and they did...

>>133649620
>t. I've only seen the movie

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Left-wing media is about the feelz.

Reality is easily spinned for a good feelz.

Alt-Right Wing Media is about objective truth, logic, consistency.

Mainstream Right Wind Media is about the objectivity of markets.

>>133660075
What do you not get about slamming the door such that the universe shook

>but muh surrender

Nope, then you're out with a whimper, we wanted a fucking bang

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>>133665100
Whoops forgot muh pic

>>133662272
It's definitely oppossed to a permissive society, the message to take from the eldar fucking each other so much a God of rape was born and helped wreck the galaxy is fairly clear, although how much the authors intended that to be the message is a different question. The Imperium is a fuedal system, at its core its some aristocrats being allowed to rule their land/planets provided they provide soldiers for military campaigns, the only factions with psuedo modern political systems are the communist Tau, and the an-cap meme Orks. You could say it's left-wing because Tau actually come off fairly well in the setting, a little mind-control and mass steralisation are minor crimes compared to other factions.

I'd say on the whole though it appears so right-wing because most of it is written from an Imperium point of view, and they really don't have the luxury of entertaining any ideas that aren't pretty reactionary: turn your back on religion, the galaxy gets fucked in the plague of unbelief, try to install individualistic values, the commissar has to blam everyone twice as hard to make them willing to die so the artilery can get a few more rounds off in the hope of stopping nids from eating the world, allow people to do what they want in the privacy of their own bedroom, world falls to slaanesh, fat acceptance: world falls to nurgle, embrace new technology and ideas, tzeentch, etc. Although the more modern fluff is shitting on that a little, with Tau progress not errupting into demons and Roboute Guilliman going on a un-fucking everything tour whilst putting two fingers up at the Ecclesiarchy.

>>133662272
How are orcs not just niggers...like...cmon...

>>133642213
Wrong

>>133641811
We don't like to gloss over the gritty reality of our world. We actually like to emphasize it. Denying that evil exists does you no good. It's something only evil will do.

>>133641811

>Idealism vs Realism

>Why is Realism so much darker?

You see...

>>133641811
well for us one the right its not dark as cringey as it sounds its glorious to us its strength courage and honor man standing side my side with his brother in true unity its something beautiful

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>>133641811
Dark for you, hope for me.

>>133641811
left
>things would be perfect if we could just remove evil
vs
right
>you are imperfect therefor you must be reshaped to defeat evil

>>133662272


The fall of the Eldar is basically the French revolution.

>>133665453
WAAAGH! Itz da Orkz you stupid grot! Green iz best!
Never realized it but yeah Orkz are basically jolly niggers. Except they're better because they don't fuck da 'umie womynz and don't exist solely to get weeaboo/commie bucks.

>>133641811
40K with all it's horrors is beutiful from a certain point of view.

There's a universe that is made of pure NOPE and an Imperium that is almost as bad but at least it keeps humanity alive.

And in this universe there are still people who are willing to fight, and occasionally suffer fates far worse than mere death. They stand up to odds bordering impossible, and through the sheer force of will, training, discipline, and lots of plot armor, they save the day. It's epic in the traditional sense of the word.

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>>133641811
Because life doesn't have a happy ending just because someone wrote it. I see no problem. Decades of brainwashing through story elements like magic, 'the force', dragons, unicorns, and elves have conditioned the left to expect backup that will never come.


Think about it. These people are broken inside.

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>>133641811
It's not dark, it's just realistic in the two ideologies reaction toward (the) an enemy.

Star Wars vs 40K:
In Star Wars, dark side users manipulate reality and the life force of all living things to control and destroy. This potentially malevolent aspect of their reality is seen as bad, but is also seen as something that can be bargained with. Despite the fact that galactic civilization has been on the brink of collapse multiple times in the star wars universe (because of dark side users), it's not seen as an existential threat.
In 40K, Chaos and the warp present a similar threat as the dark side. It's controlling and destructive. However, the Imperium recognizes that evil can't be bargained with, for any truce with evil is a loss for good. Anything less than full commitment to mankind and the Emperor is recognized as allowing room for chaos to breed. In such a scenario where the very reality of existence is under an existential threat as it is with chaos, there can be no bargaining, no argument, only war.

>>133644718
Not basically, literally. Tolkein's stated motivation for writing was Britain's lack of a national mythology. It's probably the most comprehensive allegory ever written

>>133651427
>grammarfags in a 40k thread
>doesn't understand a word's Latin roots
I'm reporting you to the Adeptus Arbites.

>>133641811
It's not necessarily dark, it just always has things going on that require actual hard work. Star Trek has everything handed to you from birth and no need to ever self improve or do anything or think.

>>133668486
this

>>133641970
fpbp
>>133643919
left wing talking point #6, well done. .20$ has been deposited into your account.

Platoon was leftist but very dark

But then again Apocalypse Now was right wing and also very dark

>>133668486
I always viewed them as taking place int he same universe. 40k takes place in the far future star wars takes place "a long time ago". Likely Star wars takes place before the formation of the chaos gods and the war in heaven when the warp is more chaos undivided before the manifestation of Gods which resulted from the apocalyptic wars in the 40k universe which star wars never really saw anything similar to.

>>133641811
Reality is dark.
Right Wing Media often attempts to portray things as they are, rather then what we like them to be, while always having that spark of light on the Horizon, in the Form of Ideals, Morals and Good.

>>133641811
Because the left pushes new and strange ideas. When they run out of good ideas, they push the worse ideas and that's when the right pushes back. But the rights sometimes pushes things too far and resets everything back to square one.

Look at the Spanish civil war. If the left hadn't pushed the right so far, franco would've never rebelled.

>>133641811

Because right wing media is more in touch with reality and is therefore more truthfull... reality and truth are dark.

Leftwing media tends to be about feelgood stuff and simple hyperboles.

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>>133648005
I like the farsight enclave though
>ethereals fear the enclave

>>133655653
he's saying that hitler was a radical centrist you autist

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>>133641811
>when the right is in charge they need to create propaganda to remind people that the world is a bad place

>when the left is in charge they need to create propaganda that reminds people that the world is a good place

Really rots my fishes

[Spoiler] Really rapes my wife [spoiler]

>>133641811
who fucking knows? probably because the left is to busy sucking cock to understand human nature

>>133675717

>The right warns you to prepare to defend yourself
>The left tells you everything is perfectly fine and you're being silly about any worries

One of these is the action of a criminal.

Liberals are living in an idyllic fantasy

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>>133676370
I agree with you

the implication in my post was that when the "right" is in charge life is so great that you need propaganda to remind people of how bad things could be, and vice versa with the left