don't be dumb, /pol/. believe in god.

>>133640940
Believing is easy, living righteously is where we fuck up

>>133640940
No thanks I'm not into superstition

>>133640940
i will when you prove he exists

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>>133640940
I'm intelligent, therefore I am Atheist.

>>133640940
LOL
open your mind and you'll find that you're god
stupid inbred

>>133640940
>having imaginary psychopathic friends

Grow up

>>133640940
why is god a voyeur?
stop being a pervert and looking at us when we are naked god.

>>133641030
Yup. It's very hard now. Almost like society has been designed to make us stray.

God can find you, but you won't find God in organized religion.

You'll be like one of these fatties that think that they're making progress by drinking diet soda while still gorging on burgers left and right.

>>133640940
They're not dumb; their hearts are dark, and their deeds are evil, and they think they can hide from God in their darkness.

They are not dumb; they are dead.

>>133641148
Please describe your search of the multiverse for God.

Thanks.

>>133641258
Growing up is realizing that you are not the center of the universe, and you are not the most intelligent being in the world.

That's what growing up means.

Prove he is real.
>inb4 muh bible
written by humans; no proof if was "divinely inspired". Human claim

>>133641734
No, that's just being realistic.

Wishful hoping that a paternal authority figure exists outside your mind to guide your every action is immature, lazy and irresponsible.

>>133642032
Yes, growing up has something to do with becoming realistic.

Like figuring out that the creation infers a Creator.

>>133640940
But I like to masturbate and eat meat on Friday.

>>133641030
Define righteousness

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>>133640940
Believing in things without evidence is a quintessential behavior of dumb people, this is a fact.

Hilarious how retards here consider themselves to be "high iq" but believe in "redpills" and "god"

Dunning krugger effect at full throttle

Pic related, "god" detected the levels of stupidity in this thread

>>133642249
To be perfect, as God in heaven is perfect.

>>133640940
>hide sin from god
what is this meme?

>>133642265
Does the universe exist?

The evidence of the creator of the universe exists.

>>133641734
>Growing up is realizing that you are not the center of the universe, and you are not the most intelligent being in the world.
Wrong. If that was the case I'd be a grown up at the age of 8

>>133642321
How do you know what god wants? Surely he wants his creations to enjoy themselves and kill each other in homage to him.

>>133640940
Panendeism, Pantheism, Panentheism, Pandeism, Atheism, Agnosticism, Zen Buddhism.

These are the only logical spiritual systems.

You need to believe in the same fairytales as me or we're not friends anymore!

>>133642185
That's too bad. No meat on Wednesday and Friday. And you shouldn't masterbate.

>>133642149
And even as a believer of God you hit a logical stop with the idea that God doesn't need a creator.

>>133642149
>Creation infers a Creator

You're calling it "Creation" to satisfy your argument.
Where's the evidence anything was "created"? Existence just is. Postulating a halfassed reason like a magical spacefairy because someone else told you so is, I insist, lazy and immature.

>>133642590
The occasional thought wank isn't harmful. Humans are animals, why deny our nature. Surely embracing the violent animal is true transcendence.

>>133642409
When your mommy and daddy were still wiping your nose?

I don't think so.

>>133642545
Same way you could know, if you were interested.

christians are basically the smug fedora tippers these days, let's face it

>>133642366
>Does the universe exist?
Define "exist", nothing can "exist" without an observer, and we might as well all be a bunch of brains in jars simulating an universe in a lan party.

>The evidence of the creator of the universe exists
How so?

>>133642149
>creation infers a Creator.
Semantic trickery. Words don't make things real, they just describe things either real or imaginary.

>>133642567
There are many ways that seem right to a man, but they all end in death.

>>133641626

>organized religion is bad
It's not "being orgnaized" that's bad. It's that the most organized religions lost track of what it's all about, rather than just existing to continue to exist. Roman catholicism is a geat example for that. Many good things but also a lot of heresy to simply continue existing. But other than that, in the end it (everything) comes down to living a virtuous life, being conpassionate - a good man or woman - and doing the right thing. That's even part of the fedoras' new favourite baby, Germanic paganism. And that's already it.
Sure, you - in theory - can't reach Heaven by being pagan. But it also is stated that people which didn't accept Christ can still come to salvation if they still live a Christ-like life, and without blasphemy or heresy.
The point with this is simply this: I am orthodox Christian and I accepted dogma fully. But we - and that goes also for the clergy as well, of course - are humans. We are falliabe. And most importantly - it is not on us to judge, because everyone will be held accountable on judgement day by God.

>>133642801
Your definition of what it is to be a grown up is lacking is all I'm saying. Trying to define it at all is juvenile.

>>133642674
I don't have a problem with facts. God being an eternal being and not a created being is just a fact.

>>133642713

Universe infers universe maker then, if your sensibilities are offended by calling the creator of the universe the Creator.

>>133642896
So if there were no human beings alive, the universe would not exist.

Just amazing thinking, you "rationalists" have.

>>133642902
Yes, and Creator of the Universe describes God.

>>133642941
Too bad I did not attempt to define "grown up".

>>133641734
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why create ANOTHER thread after getting destroyed AGAIN! Just keep making them!

>>133640940
I won't ever believe God decided to put us on this ridiculously small planet that is Earth, around a ridiculously small star that is the Sun, all out of the entire immensity of the universe.

However I recognize the moral values brought by Christianity.

>>133643145
>growing up is realizing blah blah
What did you try to define exactly?

>>133643059
>So if there were no human beings alive, the universe would not exist.
>Just amazing thinking, you "rationalists" have.

Indeed, you're arguing that Spanish, English, or Math as we know it would "exist" even if humans didn't inhabit the universe. Existence implies some form of observation or interaction, it is a requirement of it.

>religioustard "logic"

Nice job defining "existence", btw, brainlet.

>>133643222
>However I recognize the moral values brought by Christianity.
Define moral.

>>133643222
He didn't put us here; He made this place for us.

Look into the fine tuning of the universe for life.

>>133643004
No, it doesn't.
And even then, it is extremely selfish and childish to believe your specific imaginary friend is the one who created all of the universe, when there's hundreds of different deities throughout mankind's history. Also, considering other similar civilizations exist in the universe, there's no assurance they believe the same garbage you do, much less have any notion or reason for it.

>>133643312
That as an infant, a tyrant who cried when he was hungry, cold, wet, upset, thirsty, lonely, etc., believing he is the center of the universe, as a man grows up (and I use man to mean man, not male) he begins to realize that not only is he not the center of the universe, but that there is a center of the universe that is not him, but Jesus.

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>>133641099

>>133643366
You're an evolutionist who believes the universe is 14 billion years old, mankind is 200,000 years old, and yet the 14 billion year old universe did not exist until 200,000 years ago, when the first monkey man observed it.

You have a long way to go to be of average IQ.

>>133642149
>Like figuring out that the creation infers a Creator.
And Manichean metaphysical entities like Satan, gods wanting worship, answering prayers, hating the earth and nature, caring about some dirt farmer's blasphemy, etc. are non-sequiturs.

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>All Christians Are Cucks
http://archive.is/X8Tqk

>All Christians are Cucks #2
http://archive.is/iFGqR

>All Christians are Cucks #3
http://archive.is/J3Y6Z

>All Christians are Cucks #4
http://archive.is/pBMGf

>All Christians are Cucks #5
http://www.renegadetribune.com/christians-cucks-3/

>Cucktianity: What Is A Covenant
http://archive.is/Fdsxo

>Cuck Identity
http://archive.is/qQPMf

>Cuck Identity #2
http://archive.is/ICpaJ

>Indoctrination
http://archive.is/RgZOY

>Why do people care about berating an increasingly irrelevant religion anyway?
Because they're not irrelevant. They actively fund and even run many of the boats coming from Africa to Europe.

http://www.savethechildren.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=8rKLIXMGIpI4E&b=9357115&ct=14921495

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-boat-rescue-charities-medicins-sans-frontieres-save-the-children-mediterranean-sea-migrants-a7699571.html

https://www.savethechildren.net/article/save-children-brings-300-refugees-and-migrants-safety-search-and-rescue-capacity

Steven Anderson on race-mixing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz3ccSJtJXA
"Interracial Marriage" Baptist Preaching (independent, fundamental, KJV sermon)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRCVeqvZKt4

>>133643517
A painting infers a painter.
A building infers a builder.
Coding infers a coder.
Creation infers a creator.

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http://biblehub.com/luke/3-33.htm
>the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah

http://biblehub.com/hebrews/7-14.htm
>For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah

http://biblehub.com/luke/4-15.htm
>He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.
http://biblehub.com/john/1-11.htm
>He came to his own people, and even they rejected him.

His own people aka Jews.

http://biblehub.com/john/4-22.htm
>You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

Samaritans aka Gentiles.

JESUS WAS A JEW.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Adenauer
>Konrad Hermann Joseph Adenauer was a German statesman who served as the first post-war Chancellor of Germany (West Germany) from 1949 to 1963.
>He was the first leader of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), a Christian Democratic party that under his leadership became, and has since usually been the most influential party in the country.
>He displayed a strong dedication to a broad vision of market-based liberal democracy and anti-communism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany
>West Germany joined NATO in 1955
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Gauck
>is the President of Germany, serving since March 2012. A former Lutheran pastor, he came to prominence as an anti-communist civil rights activist in East Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel
>the daughter of Horst Kasner, a Lutheran pastor and a native of Berlin, and his wife Herlind, born in 1928 in Danzig (now Gdańsk, Poland)
>is a German politician who is currently Chancellor of Germany. She is also the leader of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros
>From 1979, as an advocate of 'open societies', Soros financially supported dissidents including Poland's Solidarity movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_(Polish_trade_union)
>first trade union in a Warsaw Pact country that was not controlled by a communist party.
>anti-Soviet social movement ranging from people associated with the Catholic Church
>CIA covert support
>In Sollicitudo rei socialis, a major document of Catholic Social Teaching, Pope John Paul II identifies the concept of solidarity with the poor and marginalized as a constitutive element of the Gospel and human participation in the common good.

More like, there never been more churches, while Christian Democrats didn't even exist in Socialism. Pro-refugee faggots are all Christian.

>>133643655
To the contrary, everything is related.

>>133640940
LMFAO confederate.

Don't be dumb, /po/. THink for yourself and don't be sheep.

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>The Jews thought (and think) that they are God's chosen people, but when Jesus came and said: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus", the Jews claimed He couldn't be their Messiah, so they convinced Pontio to crucify Him. Is exactly because Jesus was for all humanity and not only for the Jews that (((they))) killed Him, and since that moment, every nation in the entire globe see Jews as a negative influence to any country they appear in. And with good reason, every Catholic / Christian nation up until Vatican II and some decades before, had prohibition or persecution of Jews.

You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

John 4:31 – In the meantime His talmidim (“students, disciples”) urged Him, saying, “Rabbi, eat.”
John 3:1-2 – This man came to Yeshua (“Jesus”) by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

John 6:25 – And when they found Him on the other side of the lake, they said to Him, “Rabbi, when did You come here?”

John 4:9 – Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, “How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?”…

>>133643672
It's the atheists who are pursuing the cuckolding of their wives, not Christians.

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>>133640940
I strayed in my teens because I had to deal with the realization that large blessings don't happen when you want them to. They happen at just the right moment when you really need them. I strayed for a few years but realized that it's alright if I don't know everything. I'm still going to try to learn as much as I can. Even if I don't know when every small blessing is going to come I can always recognize when He's helping me out. He lines things up just right so it appears as though it's coincidence. My anecdote for this is a lady who bought me Zima after I was miring it in the gas station. She had no concern for whether or not I had money and only gave me being a good person as her reason for buying it for me. Never saw her again or before.

I think the problem isn't belief it's the relationship. Too many people have formed a bond with their church or the members in it. While that's all well and good it can keep you from discerning the right message. The bible is full of good teachings you can gain daily wisdom and strength from. Even if you want to believe it's all bullshit you can still read it and think about what it's trying to tell you. Over the years I can't say I've ever had a good relationship with a church or the members. I've always had a great one with the big man upstairs though. I've never had to hide anything from him or try to deceive him like I do everyone else in my life. He knows that I struggle daily and that I don't need him to interfere to get along in life. I need not worry about being chastised or berated by him for my actions because he knows why I'm doing it. As well I don't need to repent yet. Repentance is a vow to the highest that you'll be a good boi and not fuck up anymore. To have the strength to avoid temptation. It's something I faltered at for a few things but I've always maintained being a good person. One day I'll repent for the shit I've done when I can say for sure I won't do it again.
Get gud with god.

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Greater Israel occasionally refers to the Promised Land (defined in Genesis 15:18-21) or to the Land of Israel, also called Complete Land of Israel or Entire Land of Israel (Hebrew: ארץ ישראל השלמה, Eretz Yisrael Hashlemah). This is a more accurate translation than “Greater Israel”, which is used in English but has no real counterpart in Hebrew.

"No one in Israel should ever be poor. The Lord your God is giving you this land, and he has promised to make you very successful, if you obey his laws and teachings that I’m giving you today."

"You will lend money to many nations, but you won’t have to borrow. You will rule many nations, but they won’t rule you."

The bible is quite pro jew. (((Yahweh))) promises the jews GREATER ISRAEL FFS

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>>133643797
you are joking right?

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Turn the other cheek is mistranslated/misinterpreted meme: This is not true whatsoever. There are MANY (too many to list) verses in the Bible that are anti-European and anti-Aryan.
>When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. (Leviticus 19:33-34)
>Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt. (Exodus 23:9)
>There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)

Reminder that Christianity is the thing the Rothschilds and their Freemason, Illuminati agents have sought to destroy most these past few hundred years.

>>133643703
Yes, that is correct.
The Seed of a Woman
The Seed of Abraham
The Root of David
The Lion of the Tribe of Judah
The King of the Jews

You might say Jesus is the Jew, not a Jew.

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>>133643797

>>133643678
You know a painting has a painter because you can actively reproduce the process.

>"I can't explain it and am afraid of admitting I do not know or contemplating other possibilities, so: GOD!"
You're fucking lazy.

>>133641139
>implying we care about you

>>133643785
Correct, many people knew Jesus only as rabbi. Judas was one of them.

If all Jesus is to you is a teacher of some sorts, you do not know Jesus at all.

Ironically, your hatred of Jews will place in in hell with the worst of the Jews, forever. And keep you away from the best of the Jews, transformed and glorified by God.

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>>133643893
he is the JEW.

>>133643853
Not even a little bit. Mormons are not Christians. Neither are Catholics or Orthodox.

>>133642934
>But it also is stated that people which didn't accept Christ can still come to salvation if they still live a Christ-like life, and without blasphemy or heresy.

ayo ayo, hol up. Who said this? It IS impossible to come to Salvation if you didnt accept Christ. As Scripture says "Nobody comes to the father except through me." John 14:6

Do you mean if those who had never heard about Christ but still lived a righteous Christlike life? Well, yes. Christ did royally harrow Hell when he went down there as a BOSS to preach the Gospel and take the rigtheous (Moses and prophetes etc) with him to Heaven after his crucifixion.

However, in this day and age, everybody has heard about Christ. So no excuses for not proclaiming him Lord.

>>133643551
Kids believe in fairytales

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>>133644040
Christianity is globalist shit religion made to control goyim.

>>133640940

We don't have to believe in god if he was real.
Checkmate.

>>133643866
That would be regarding legal immigration, which was permitted in Israel.

>>133643970
>implying that this thread was only to convince christians to be christians

Are you a fucking autist, or just dense as hell? The whole point of this was to convert atheists. So yes, at least OP cares about him.

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>>133644106
ACKSHULLY MUH 3 GROUP OF FRIENDS ON CIRRPLECHAN!

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>>133644159
The alien is a foreigner, or person born in another country, and therefore not entitled to the rights and privileges of the country where he resides. Among the Hebrews there were two classes of aliens. First, those who were strangers generally, and who owned no landed property. Second, strangers dwelling in another country without being naturalized ( Leviticus 22:10 ; Psalms 39:12 ).

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>>133644159
Both of these classes were to enjoy, under certain conditions, the same rights as other citizens ( Leviticus 19:33 Leviticus 19:34 ; Deuteronomy 10:19 ). They might be naturalized and permitted to enter into the congregation of the Lord by submitting to circumcision and abandoning idolatry ( Deuteronomy 23:3-8 ).

>>133643868
Yup, and they never will. Right when they think they have won, all hell will break loose and the full wrath of God will be poured down upon the earth.

They may hide under the mountains and beg the mountains to shield them from the wrath of the Lamb, but they will not be safe, anywhere.

When the Day of the Wrath of the Lamb comes, none shall stand.

>>133643631
>You're an evolutionist who believes the universe is 14 billion years old, mankind is 200,000 years old, and yet the 14 billion year old universe did not exist until 200,000 years ago, when the first monkey man observed it.

That's not an argument you're strawmaning and making a reductionist argument, we know the universe is older than 200,000 years because we can observe evidence of such a fact.

In the example you provided, you claimed that the universe could "exist" without an observer (humans), I don't see how this makes sense, existence itself implies observation, whether it's observation of past or current events.

>You have a long way to go to be of average IQ.
That's a really unreliable assessment, considering your poor literal and reductionist interpretation of my argument

Again you've failed to define "existence", you're evading that argument because you know you're gonna fuck yourself up the ass.

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>>133644159
In the New Testament, this limitation of moral obligation to fellow-countrymen is abolished. Christ gives a wider interpretation of the commandment in Leviticus 19:18, so as to include in it those outside the tie of nation or kindred. This is definitely done in the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37), where, in answer to the question, “Who is my neighbor?” Jesus shows that the relationship is a moral, not a physical one, based not on kinship but on the opportunity and capacity for mutual help. The word represents, not so much a rigid fact, but an ideal which one may or may not realize (Luke 10:36, “Which of these three, thinkest thou, proved (literally, became, not was) neighbor,” etc.). This larger connotation follows naturally as a corollary to the doctrine of the universal Fatherhood of God.

>>133643961
If you were as God, you too could actively reproduce the process.

>>133642265

IQ 145 in official Mensa-approved test. M.Sc. in chemistry as well as theoretical physics. PhD in theoretical chemistry. Orthodox Christian.

Your logic is so flawed, I ca't believe it. How is "being dumb" related to "believing something which cannot be proven" ? Flat earth theory is dumb shit, because we can prove mathematically, physically as well as visually that the earth ain't flat.
Believing that God exists, created the universe (and who knows what else outside of our own physical realm), became flesh from a the Holy Mother Mary as Christ, having died to literally pay for our sins and offering us the gift of defeating death, is perfectly fine. It is something we cannot find a proof for - supernaturally speaking - but definitely historically. Evolution theory actually reinforces that. It is not lazy and irresponsible. It's the deep need of humans, having this developed of a mind, to have something greater than them, because We tend to fall for nihilistic views. Why continue to multiply ? Because we have genitalia and the "biological urge ? Or why an almighty Creator made us and demanded us to - which maybe is expressed as this very biological drive ? Why would you be compassionate and comfort/help others ? Because it helps your race to exist on ? Or because you can make your life valuable for yourself and others and in addition to that conquer death ?

I'm not saying "BELIEVE IN THE TRINITARIAN GOD !!!!!". I'm saying your argument against God - or Buddha-nature if you're into that - is retardation, beause you cannot explain scientifically inexplicable things with "human reason and logic".

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>>133644159
The commandment to love one’s neighbor as one’s self must not be interpreted as if it implied that we are to hate our enemy (an inference which the jews were apt to make); human love should be like the Divine, impartial, having all men for its object (Matthew 5:43). Love to one’s fellow-men in this broad sense to be placed side by side with love to God as the essence and sum of human duty (Matthew 22:35-40 parallel Mark 12:28-31). Christ’s apostles follow His example in giving a central position to the injunction to love one’s neighbor as one’s self (James 2:8, where is is called the “royal law” i.e. the supreme or governing law; Romans 13:9 Galatians 5:14).

>>133644159
A foreigner is a person from a different racial, ethnic, and linguistic group as in contrast to a “native.” Circumstances during biblical times often forced people to emigrate to another country, where they would become “resident aliens” (see Gen 19:9 ; Ruth 1:1 ). A less permanent settler was known as a “stranger” or “temporary resident.” Sometimes the term “foreigner” is used to translate a Hebrew word that generally means an “outsider” from a different race, tribe, or family.

>>133644076
Yes, He is.

>>133644076
isn't it amazing out of the entire observable universe, we are the only known intelligent life? Maybe thats why if there is a god, he can narrow down his sight line.

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>>133644159
The prophets predicted that all nations would go up to Jerusalem to learn the Torah and depart changed people, no longer alienated from each other ( Isa 2:1-4 ; Micah 4:1-5 ). There would be one humanity ( Isa 19:23-25 ), speaking a purified language ( Zep 3:9 ). Although Israel received a residence in the promised land, she was reminded that the land was God’s and that he allowed her to settle on it as a resident alien ( Lev 25:23 ; cf. 1 Chron 29:15 ; Psalm 39:12 ; 119:19 ). Israel must wait for a true home.

>>133644284
This.

>>133644143
In general I would agree with that.

Your inference that the bible contains fairy tales is false.

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>>133644159
By the time of the New Testament, Israel had become extremely exclusive, largely forgetting her mission to the nations. When the Messiah arrived, however, foreigners were present ( Matt 2:1-12 ). During his ministry, he constantly interacted with them, indicating that God’s love embraced the world ( Luke 17:18 ; John 4 ). A Roman soldier pronounced a eulogy at his death ( Luke 23:47 ). Death broke the hostile powers that caused human divisions ( Eph 2:14-18 ). In Christ there was no longer any important racial, linguistic, or ethnic difference ( Gal 3:26-29 ). Pentecost ( Acts 2 ) reversed the judgment of the tower of Babel ( Gen 11:1-9 ).

>>133642904
*Of the ego for sure.

>>133642950
That isn't a fact. As the existence of a God is not fact. Dont just say "Yes it is". Prove it.

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>>133644159
At the same time, there was the realization that while members of the church had their citizenship in heaven, they were resident aliens on earth ( 1 Peter 1:17 ; 2:11 ). Before the coming of the kingdom, they had to live a nomadic existence as strangers and pilgrims, much like the patriarchs of the Old Testament ( Heb 11:9-16 ). They must live in hope and faith, praying for the invasion of the kingdom and waiting patiently for the gift of a new Canaan, a new Eden, where they can reside with their God (Rev. 21-22). Meanwhile the church must act by helping literal strangers and foreigners, remembering her own identity and God’s love for the powerless ( Matthew 25:35Matthew 25:38Matthew 25:43Matthew 25:44 ). Hospitality (philoxenos, lit. love for the stranger) is to be a characteristic of the follower of Christ ( 1 Peter 4:9 ; cf. Rom 12:13 ; Heb 13:2 ).

>>133644145
Christianity is the recognition that God, Jesus, came down to earth to redeem His creation from its fall by dying on a cross bearing the sins of mankind, and then rising from the dead.

>>133640940
>Believes in God the Father, the Creator
>Really thinks God would condone slavery just cause it's written in a book obviously full of bullshit

>>133643970
not very christlike, goy

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>>133644551
Christianity is a globalist religion to get the world to mix together so that the jews can control better.

But what is involved in such “love”? The Hebrew word ’ahav usually translated “to love” has a wide range of meanings. In the Song of Songs, it refers to erotic love; in some narratives it refers to love between a parent and a child; elsewhere it may mean “lust.” Exod 21:5 describes a slave who says, “I love [’ahav] my master, my wife, and my children: I will not go out a free person”—here the verb means something closer to “like” or “prefer to tolerate.”

Christianity is pleb-tier existentialism, alongside Judaism and Islam. I'm sorry that you are all so committed to your LARP that you can't see this. Literally a religion of slaves. If I'm wrong, at least I'll be warm in hell.

>>133644284
Yes, because you made foolish statements, back to back, and now have doubled down on them.

If you don't know what "existence" is, how can I possibly help you understand God?

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Another use of ’ahav may clarify its meaning in Lev 19. Various biblical texts, especially in Deuteronomy, command the Israelites to “love” (’ahav) God. The most famous of these is Deut 6:5, the second verse of the Shema prayer: “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.” Context suggests that this verse is commanding (primarily) not a mental or emotional attitude but obedience to God, acting in a way that reflects love for the divine. It is likely that the same is true for Lev 19:18 and Lev 19:34—they insist that the Israelite and foreigner be treated properly.

>>133644347
Note the Jews did not even want to admit that the Samaritan was the neighbor, but called him "that man" or some such. Racial divides run deep in Israel. They really don't like half Jews.

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>>133644660
It really is a religion of slaves.

Bishop Eusebius, Council of Nicaea in 325 CE – It is an act of virtue to deceive and lie, when by such means the interests of the church might be promoted. But, wait – there’s more here! The international panel concede that Helena, mother of Emperor Constantine (d. 337), ‘invented the cross’, and then the Church slowly developed her crude untruth as an article of Christian faith right into the 21st Century.

>>133642713
Cause and effect. You need a cause, but that needs its own cause too. It's a shitfest.

>>133644482
Call it parables, call it fairytales, call it myth, it is one and the same.

>>133644371
I find most people are subject to a very strong normalcy bias, and reject the supernatural or miraculous out of that bias.

Until they themselves encounter the numinous, of course. Then everything changes.

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>>133643785
>The Jews thought (and think) that they are God's chosen people
Like, whom else would the Jewish tribal god choose? That tribe over there? Can you imagine the patriarch telling that to the tribe members?

>>133644371
Believing in things without evidence is common behavior among dumb people, and it's less likely to happen to intelligent people. What seems to be the problem with this statement?

>believing in bullshit made up by superstitious people who barely had an understanding of reality and the universe is fine
Holy shit


>>133644677
>Yes, because you made foolish statements, back to back, and now have doubled down on them.
Explain how they are foolish, I already posted a rebuttal to your "you believe the universe just came into existence 2000,000 years ago" autistic argument
>If you don't know what "existence" is, how can I possibly help you understand God?
You don't understand what existence is, you think it's possible for something to "exist" without having an observer.

>>133644535
God felt no need to provide any proof of His existence in the bible. The bible merely begins "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

Once you understand that verse, the rest of the bible is a downhill stroll.

You have to understand that God is not going to force you to recognize Him, or bow down to Him, or kneel down to Him, or confess He is God, against your will, while you yet live. He has balanced everything in the universe perfectly so that you can cherrypick the evidence you want to support the conclusion you like.

All that changes after you die. He will prove Himself to you then; your knee will bend then; and your tongue will confess then that He is God.

Better now than then, is all we are telling you. Better to be in God's family, than to be one of God's enemies.

>>133644122

I agree with the Gospel. Yes, of course it goes to people not knowing of Christ. BUT don't forget this: There are a billion heretic and sometimes straight out blasphemic denominations - as well as other religions. You cannot reach salvation without Christ and the workings. But how many teach "do as thou wilt" as truth ? While still encouraging a Christ-like life - IN PRINCIPLE ? That's what I'm talking about. There's no reason God wouldn't deem Bodhisattva to be worthy. Why wouldn't he ? Apart from the twisted Burma Buddhists (which is not shitting on them - I can fully understand what they're doing to an extend). We can't, of course. And we are held accountable to be part of the parish. But indoctrination is a strong foe.

Even the ex-bishop of Rome, Joseph Ratzinger, stated in a book he wrote, that religions that teach compassion, virtuousity and in principle living according to Christ - even if they do not accept Christ as the only-begotten Son - are "on their way to Christianity". And I do agree with him to some extend with that.
Now, I'm not a thelogian so what does my opinion count for.

>>133644660
Are erupting volcanoes "warm"? No, you'll be at 2300 C, and to your horror, will remain there without habituation. Or the sweet release of death.

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>>133645333
nice larping.

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>>133645205
>your knee will bend then
Yes bend to your jews god you fucking piece of trash. You are a cuck that loves being on his knees sucking jewish dick.

>>133644371
There is something outside of manifestation, no doubt. But it is formless, not gendered and it doesn't give a rats ass if it is worshipped or not. Literally every thought is pulled from this "void" into the corporeal realm, no matter how conflicting. In it lies everything that will happen/never happen. God is a schizophrenic ball of goo and one day we shall return to it.

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St. Augustine, 354-430 – There is another form of temptation, even more fraught with danger. This is the disease of curiosity. It is this which drives us to try and discover the secrets of nature, those secrets which are beyond our understanding, which can avail us nothing and which man should not wish to learn. Death of the Mind, right here folks.

>>133645142
The Jew claim that they are the chosen people because an evil alien race decided to introduce pedophilia to the humans to stagnate our progress, and they chose the Jew. That's why the Jew wears the skullcap because it symbolizes a flying saucer.

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Bishop Cyprion of Carthage, 251 – Praised the current spreading plague because it allowed “Christian youths to die while still in a state of virginity”. Praise the Lord!

>>133641030

God created brain parasites that will slowly eat away at your cognitive ability as they chew through your flesh, and you think he cares if you masterbate. LOL

>133645205

The bible is not proof. I've read the bible 3 times and it is wrought with contradictions. The council of Nicea alone should disprove that it is fact.

So you're trying to appeal to fear and appear to be more intelligent by giving in to fear? By using many words to essentially say "You're going to go to Hell if you don't believe!"

I'm not sure how you can even logic that Christianity is fact, considering it was collected from spoken word stories hundreds of years after the event.

Your God is built around faith alone.

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Pope Liberius, 354 – decrees to place birth date of Jesus on traditional Pagan festivals of Winter Solstice, 25th December. Remarkably, Christians still don’t know this. And how could they – they think it’s written in the Bible which they have never read!

>>133645333
Sounds like a real test of will. Sign me up

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Christian emperor Jovian, 364 – Burns Library of Antioch which was heavily stocked by Pagan Emperor Julian. Seems like he couldn’t wait to get to the Throne; might as well have paid the Christian soldier himself.

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>>133640940
Yea /pol/ you need to deliever your kids to church right now I have a huge boner ....... errrr i mean a huge bible for them.

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Bishop Theophilus, 391 – destroys library of Alexandria, kills pagans who defended it. To this day, Christians keep telling us “Pagans” that we got no “book” of our own. I call them – punchable faces.

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Archbishop Cyril of Alexandria, 415 – orders Christian mob to kill mathematician and philosopher Hypatia. She was beaten, dragged naked through the city, raped and finally killed with her skin peeled off, flesh beaten to pieces, and her bones burned to ashes. In other words, our people became savages with the coming of Christianity. Pure savages.

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Christian Emperor Theodosius II, 435 – Brings about the death penalty for heretics and pagans. Only Judaism is allowed alongside Christianity as a religion. Well, heh, I’ll be damned.

>>133645624
>133645205
>>133645205

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St. Ignatuius of Loyola, crypto-Jewish founder of society of Jesus, Jesuits, 1491-1556 – I would take it as a special grace from our Lord to come from Jewish lineage… Why imagine! That a man could be a kinsman by blood of Christ our Lord and our Lady the glorious Virgin Mary! He hopes for it, as if it isn’t part of the supposed prophecy of the book. Goes to show you how no one read the fucking Bible.

>>133645795
It is almost as if cruelly depriving your body of it's physical needs fucks your mind up.

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Alfonso Cartagena, 2nd son of the Rabbi of Burgos, later known as Archbishop Paul, 1384-1456 – The Catholic Church is the natural home of the Jews. Why, who would have thought of that? Good thing he told us!

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Are you going to start another thread christian warrior?

>>133646213
lol they fucking did AGAIN! this is 900th just in a few hours god damn

>>133645624
>The council of Nicea alone should disprove that it is fact.
They reordered the books to give self-proclaimed apostle (((Paul))) prominence. James is chronologically the first book. The appearance of the other books over time was apostle-Pauline letter, apostle-Pauline letter

>>133644277
Double sevens but I am not going to lie
"Wrath of the lamb" sounds pretty kekky...

>>133645193

You still didn't tell me why biblical stories are bullshit. And you especially did not explain why "mostly dumb people" believe in said bullshit. All you did is "I don't believe in it and I read some texts that reinforce that so I'm right". Literally fedora-tipping.

You should read the Bible and interpretations of the Fathers on the Bible. But not only that, you should read some apologetic literature, like of C.S. Lewis. You should read something that reconciles Christian faith with science - evolution - like Francis Collins' "The Language of God". If you did that, and you thought about it, and you still think it's retardation and just for "dumb sheeple", then we're well set for an honest and open discussion. But until that you're nothing but acting like a pathtic fedora faggot.
Because you are not able to claim any argumentative or "moral" high ground as long as you didn't bother to contemplate your topic of discussion from ANY possible point of view.

>>133646213
jew != Zionist

learn the difference fag

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>>133646798
Yeah because there are some some based jew globalists right? SOros is just like Jesus a globalist jew so based!

>>133644655
Christianity is the only way to get from here to heaven.

>>133644762
Those would be Catholics. It may save your life to learn the difference between Catholics and Christians.

As a Christian, I am in the family of God, brother to Jesus, and joint heir.

Very, very, very far away from being a slave (which God of course does not have).

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>>133647000
>Christianity is the only way to get from here to heaven.
have you not read this thread? you are a tool no jew worshiping shithead is going to get into heaven.

>>133646573
How is that a refutation that proves the bible?

>>133644795
Parables are coded stories so that I can understand what Jesus is saying, and you cannot. You will only get the lower story, and never understand the higher story. They are constructed like that on purpose.

They are not fairytales, and there are no myths in the bible.

>>133647105
blah blah blah MY SECT IS BETTER THEN THERE SECT WATCHOUT FOR CATHOLICS! Its the same shit with all the other retard christians on here you fight over which bible to use which sect is the best which this and that. Go to /x/ and go fight there retard

>>133645193
Your worldview that the universe existed before there were humans to observe it is self-refuting.

Maybe practice masonry, and give up on philosophy.

>>133645736
Exactly the opposite. As an unbeliever, your free will dies with you.

>>133645548

Maybe you're right. Maybe you're wrong. There's no way to prove that - which is really my point. Also, which is why it is called "faith", not "science". "Wisdom", not "knowledge". And I believe in the Trinitarian God. And I live a good life with that - and that's really all there is. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not here, trying to convert anyone.
But I really despise the "hip" anti-Christian resentments, because baseless ad hominem - even rooted in outright retardation and anecdotal evidence - is no way to debate faith - especially when it offered benefits such as civilization, culture, music and the like throughout history.

>>133646573
Not at Nicea they didn't. And who cares what papists do? It has nothing to do with Christianity, the Kingdom of God, or reality.

>>133646724
What non-coital technologies were available for "begetting" 2000 years ago?

>>133646724
>You still didn't tell me why biblical stories are bullshit. And you especially did not explain why "mostly dumb people" believe in said bullshit. All you did is "I don't believe in it and I read some texts that reinforce that so I'm right". Literally fedora-tipping.
Somehow I think it's reasonable to doubt that magic heaven beings can turn water into wine or divide a sea, among other bullshit.
>You should read the Bible and interpretations of the Fathers on the Bible. But not only that, you should read some apologetic literature, like of C.S. Lewis. You should read something that reconciles Christian faith with science - evolution - like Francis Collins' "The Language of God". If you did that, and you thought about it, and you still think it's retardation and just for "dumb sheeple", then we're well set for an honest and open discussion. But until that you're nothing but acting like a pathtic fedora faggot.
You could do the same with any religion, and you won't encounter any absolute truth, just shoehorned theories meant to placate the part of you that refuse to act like a chimp.

You're the fedora fag if you think there's some underlying order in every religion that proves there's a higher being in control of the universe.
>Because you are not able to claim any argumentative or "moral" high ground as long as you didn't bother to contemplate your topic of discussion from ANY possible point of view.
I've contemplated the topic from both sides, hence why I've reached this conclusion, though.

>>133640940
Sorry, I'm too old for imaginary friends.

>>133646625
Indeed it does. I can't change what is written, however.

Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

>>133647198
>Parables are coded stories so that I can understand what Jesus is saying, and you cannot.
I can though.
>only I, yes that is right- ME, can understand metaphors. ME, ME, ME
That's is not a very pious statement.

>>133647144
"I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life; no man comes to the Father but by Me."

--Jesus of Nazareth

>>133647602

*tips menora*

>>133640940
For those with faith, there is no sin, anon.

>>133646573
It's not at all. I was adding info about what they did at Nicea.

>>133647467
>There's no way to prove that - which is really my point.
That was my point as well really. You are a self-aware Christian. I can respect that.

>>133647342
>Your worldview that the universe existed before there were humans to observe it is self-refuting.
It is not, observation doesn't apply only to current events, or events that happened after the inception of the observer.
>Maybe practice masonry, and give up on philosophy.
Said by the cuck who refuses to post his definition of existence after being asked to in 4 posts.

You suck at larping

>>133642149
>the creation infers a Creator

Only if you're not sufficiently scientifically literate. We're not in the world of classical physics anymore.
A creator, if we don't talk about the gods from our illogical religions, has not been disproved and it'll never be, but the god of the gaps is not "needed" to have a complete understanding of how things work anymore.

Why should I? Please tell me why.

>>133641538

Not only this. but if you refuse to partake you are shunned as a leper.

I truly do not know how to find true fellowship or a mate worth having. even at churches the people therin use it as a weekly dopamine hit to feel good about themselves when most of them are twice as sinful as the average populace.

the world is upside down.

>>133644762
Have any links for this stuff?

>>133647835
Read: no evidence.

>>133642032
Well, to be fair, they don't think God should should guide their every action. It's more about setting their moral compass. Normal people anyway, the nutjobs are still nutjobs.

>>133647198
I'm loving this post. Really, you epitomize the kind of Christian that pisses me off. The whole "holier than thou" attitude is infuriating and is decidedly un-christian. Jesus didn't want you to flaunt your faith and be outwardly pious. He even says so explicitly and not in magic cryptography. You would honestly be better off converting to Islam at this point. It would suit you better

>>133648395
*it would suit you better, brainlet.

>>133647662
So are Christians, for the most part.

You keep insisting that God is imaginary.

When does the burden of proof ever shift to you?

>>133647684
What is the higher story of the parable of the Pearl of Great Price, and how is it different from the parable of the Field?

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>yfw god exists

>>133640940
Why believe in god when through Kek is the one true path to righteousness

>>133647980
And you are incapable of understanding objective facts.

>>133648668
It really belongs more to Christians. The OP, for example, said that I would be dumb if I didn't believe in God. Accordingly, he should at least justify his statement. The burden of proof is on him if he is trying to make such a claim.
If somebody claims that their particular religion is true, then it should be on them, not the person they're trying to convince.

>>133647991
The Creator will never be disproved.

Common ground.

ORIGIN
MEANING
PURPOSE
DESTINY

Your empiricism is useless in those endeavors, and your faith in mankind is sorely misplaced.

>>133640940
Stop fat shaming /pol

>>133648904
If you say God is an objective fact, then the burden of proof is on you.

>>133648904
Are you incapable of constructing proper arguments and not making vague, offtopic questions that poorly seek to deflect the arguments I present?

This is your ~7th reply to me and you still haven't posted your enlightened definition of existence

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>>133641139
The core concept of atheism is stand alone implication that God exists. You cannot deny something exists unless you know it does exist.

>>133648395
I'm just saying what Jesus said.

And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”

He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

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>>133640940

>>133641030
Amen... our human weakness is the biggest reason we have to need Jesus.

>>133648668
The problem is, Christians have far more to prove than God. Satan, for starters. God is a logical inference. Satan is not.

>>133648793
Been a while since I've read the bible, I can't remember. The parables are not that hard to fathom. Enlighten me.
Also: Would you not agree with my statement about outward displays of piety? Christianity is a personal journey between man and god. Not one to be vainly flaunted.

>>133641734
>BTFO

>>133649139
Atheists acknowledge the concept of a god. They just deny it exists in any physical or metaphysical plane unless evidence is provided.

It's like believing in the fucking tooth fairy. It exists, as a concept. Not as part of our shared perceptible reality.

>>133648907
The evidence is in the Word of God, which you refuse to study.

Psalm 14:1
The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good.

I don't know when willful ignorance helped you in your life, but clinging to it in the face of God is foolish.

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>>133640940
>*Insert rousing life lesson here*

Not reading thread cos I just got up an I can't cope with spaz hats.
You don't have to live a perfect life and you shouldn't even be trying to. Ecclesiastes says don't try to be perfect because you will fail. Enjoy your life, drink, bonk, be happy. Just remember to stay out of the dark side and remember you're being tested so when the time comes you throw in with the right side.

>>133649059
The creation the Creator made is evidence of the Creator's existence. The virgin birth, sinless life, miracles and wonders performed by Jesus Who then rose from the dead to be alive forevermore proves Jesus' claim to be God.

Ignorance of the Law is no excuse anywhere.

>>133649139
>denial
More Jewish tricks.

>>133641855
Prove he doesn't
>inb4 muh 5 senses
You can't touch taste smell hear or see an atom and yet you know it exists.

>>133649357
I've read the Bible and used to be a Christian. Why do you believe in the Bible and not the Quran? A Muslim would have the exact same argument you have: what makes your religion more valid than his? What in particular in the word of God is evidence? Please tell me.

>>133649096
I do not find it interesting to converse with people who do not know what "existence" is, that's all.

Build wall, and redeem yourself.

>>133647626

>I think it's reasonable...
Yeah I'm sure you do. Which is not an explanation why it is objective "bullshit".
>You could do the same with any religion, and you won't encounter any absolute truth, just shoehorned theories meant to placate the part of you that refuse to act like a chimp.
Contrary of atheistic - or generally "secular" - literature, right ?
>I've contemplated the topic from both sides, hence why I've reached this conclusion, though.
So that is why you're refusing to provide anything that goes beyond "I think so, therefore I'm right" ? I highly doubt that, but you're not owing me anything so whatever.
>You're the fedora fag if you think there's some underlying order in every religion that proves there's a higher being in control of the universe.
It is absolutely reasonable to think of other religions that focus on Christ-like existences - or simply "leading a moral and good life" and the like - as mere aspects of God himself.

You're literally arguing something that nobody - and I repeat: NOBODY - will ever be able to make a case against or for on a """reasonable""" base.

I prefer the answer Michio Kaku gave in an interview: The answer is not being able to be answered, ever. You either believe or you don't.

>>133649478
But you don't know that any of those things happened, do you? You have little evidence of the virgin birth other than the Bible.

>>133644371

He also failed to mention that he can see the future through his autism lense and his dad works at nintendo.

>>133643588
Not an argument.

>>133640940
Prove He exists, and I'll believe.

>>133649265
It depends on your understanding of God. If you know that God is all good, and you see evil, then you can infer that there is something that is not-God that is causing evil. And vice versa. Many people when confronted with sheer evil immediately believe in God.

>>133649169
So you put yourself on par with Jesus and the disciples? My point still stands: your post reeked of arrogance. He spoke to the masses in parables for the same reason that we teach kids not to lie by telling them the "Boy who cried wolf"

>>133649284
I didn't catch your comment about outward piety, but that tends to be a religious failing and I am not a religious person.

I cited above where Jesus said that the parables were not for you to understand, so even if I explained them to you, you'd fuzz out on the explanation.

>>133649822
Why do you believe Jesus said these things other than what the Bible says? Why not believe what Muhammad said?

>>133649545
>I do not find it interesting to converse with people who do not know what "existence" is, that's all.
No, you just don't want to define it because by doing so you'd ram your argument up your ass.

Reminder that your replies to me are almost reaching the double digits, yet you suddenly feel 'uninterested' when someone asks about a central component of your 'argument'
>Build wall, and redeem yourself.
And the christcuck larper now resorts to le memes

Lmao

>>133649523
>used to be a Christian.

This is an impossibility, friend.

You have set up a good question, however, because the bible and the quran make similar claims and are mutually exclusive.

It all hinges around this "angel" telling Mohammad that Jesus was not crucified, did not die, and did not rise from the dead. And that "angel" is supposed to be Gabriel.

Gabriel, who was there in the tomb with the crucified to death Jesus Christ, and witnessed his resurrection.

I do believe Mohammad received information from an angel; however that angel was not Gabriel but satan.

Because Paul warned in the bible of false teachers and false prophets teaching a different gospel about a different Jesus, and even if they were told this new gospel by an angel from heaven, that they are accursed.

>>133649822
>I am not a religious person.
Why are we having this conversation then? Surely you cannot understand the parables by your logic either then. Why do I get the feeling that you are trying to save face?

>>133648110

Read my posts above. I'm not talking evidence.

>>133649594

contrary to*
also addition: to the third part: After all, you cannot debate God. You can debate corruption - which is sadly a natural occurence due to the fact that humans are deeply flawed. But that is obviously not what you're fishing for.

also: answer not being able to be answered: Obviously the question is not being able to be answered.

>>133649667
>Prove He exists
Prove that things material are everything. "Exist" is a materialistic word. God, by definition, doesn't exist (whether he does "exist" or not). It's like trying to prove that some abstraction or reification exists.

>>133640940
I believe in god, I just don't believe in religion and neither should you.

>>133650076
It isn't. I used to believe all of it and worship intensely. I found that thinking too much about it sort of made me not believe in it.
My point is why believe in Christianity and not Hinduism? It's just the word of one holy book against the word of another. Clear question: what makes Christianity stand out to you as true over Hinduism or Sikhism, etc?

>>133649609
The virgin birth is a necessity to the hope I have as a Christian. It is not just a sign to the world, as prophesied by Isaiah, but an actual necessity.

Had Jesus been biologically Joseph's son, Jesus would be incapable of taking the throne of David, and mankind's hope would be lost (Joseph is in the cursed line of Jeconiah, whose descendants cannot take the throne).

If Jesus was born of Mary and Joseph, Jesus would have been imputed Joseph's sins, back three generations, and would be a sinner. If Jesus was a sinner, then His sacrifice would have been unworthy, and He would have remained dead. Again mankind would have no hope.

So not only is the virgin birth a fulfillment of prophecy, and a sign to the world that the messiah is here, but it is legally and spiritually necessary in order for mankind to escape its rightful destiny in a lake of eternal fire.

As God created the universe, and created DNA, the matter of having a virgin give birth to His son is a far lesser matter than the former. If He can do the more difficult, He can do the less difficult.

>>133644355
Its called fucking.

>>133640940
Yeah, /pol/, don't be dumb... believe in fairies.

>>133649779
I put myself above Judas and Matthias, actually, as they were not true apostles.

See, the boy who cried wolf is not a parable.

It is a story with a moral. Parables are not stories with morals; they are stories that mean one thing to X kind of people, and two things to XZ people.

>>133649950
Because Mohammad was a liar, a thief, and a murderer, like his father the devil.

>worshipping a literal cuckold's son
Christians are truly the biggest cuck worshippers.

>>133650058
You're the one stuck in the self-refuting worldview, not me. Make sure to invest in a quality level.

>>133650402
You're just making claims and not backing them up with anything, though. It's seems like a hard thing to do.
How do you know Isaiah prophesied it? How do you know whoever wrote the virgin birth story didn't just read previous scriptures and write a story confirming them? How do you know Yahweh created the universe and not another deity?

>>133645622

Jokes on him, I can fight them off forever.

>>133650612
What if Muhammad was as respectable as Jesus supposedly was. What then? They both have conflicting testaments. Which one do you pick?

>>133644610
>Really thinks God would condone slavery

How else would the jews conquer their enemies ? slavery was a necessary evil, it was condoned because the whole world did it .

>>133650545
>I'm not religious
>I understand parables
>Only the religious understand parables
>I'm above Judas
>"The Boy Who Cried Wolf" isn't a parable, it's just a story with a moral in it

parable/ˈparəb(ə)l/
noun

a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.

Fuck me you are dumb.

>>133650137
Because as a born again Christian I can give you insight on what God is doing, has done, and will do, that no "religious" person can.

Religious comes from "religio", a system of bondage.

Jesus did not come to institute a new system of bondage, but to set men free.

I am free. He who the Son sets free, is free indeed.

I can explain the parables to you, if you'd like, but again you're not spiritually discerning but a natural man, a brute beast if you would.

A man finds a treasure buried in a field. He sells everything he has and purchases the field, digs up the treasure, and is rich.

A man finds a pearl of amazing size and beauty, sells everything he has, buys the pearl, and is rich.

What do these parables mean, and what is the difference between them? Who his the man? Where is the field? What is the treasure? What is the pearl?

>>133649594
>Yeah I'm sure you do. Which is not an explanation why it is objective "bullshit".
It's objectively bullshit because so far there's no evidence of such a thing being possible.

The burden of proof rests on religious types.
>Contrary of atheistic - or generally "secular" - literature, right ?
It's certainly more objective and honest, rather than just mashing together two ways of thinking and forcing them to work.
>So that is why you're refusing to provide anything that goes beyond "I think so, therefore I'm right" ? I highly doubt that, but you're not owing me anything so whatever.
Prove the events in the Bible are factual first.
>It is absolutely reasonable to think of other religions that focus on Christ-like existences - or simply "leading a moral and good life" and the like - as mere aspects of God himself.
Curious how these only apply to "Christ-like" experiences, as if there was some sort of cognitive bias.
>You're literally arguing something that nobody - and I repeat: NOBODY - will ever be able to make a case against or for on a """reasonable""" base.
How so?

>>133650676
Nothing about my worldview is self refuting, you failed to bring up counter arguments and merely resorted to memes and dodging questions since your 2nd reply to me.

Sad indeed

>>133649523
If you really knew any theology you'd know the answer already.
The Koran is just plaugerised from the bible but replacing Jewish tribes with the Muslim tribes as the chosen people. Originally it was the ancestor of the Muslims tribes' birthright to have his descendants be the chosen people but the ancestor of the Jews, his younger brother, traded his bro's birthright for one meal. Those Muslim tribes became cursed later on.
There were thousands of years with many prophets all saying the same thing. The 'prophet' Mohammad is just a nasty little jealous schizophrenic posssesed shit, like a Sadique Khan, who decided his people were the chosen ones after all and plagiarised the scriptures to (eventually) produce the Koran.

Also... the bible is not 'a book' like fedoras always claim. It's a 'bibliography' the original bibliography of books and you don't read it like a book. You might as well read it at random points as read it from front to back like a book.

>>133640940
How does one choose to believe in something? Didn't the Church Fathers say that this was impossible and that grace was necessarily prevenient? I'm sure they did.

>>133650350
It is, actually, regardless of your opinion.

Becoming a Christian is a permanent transformation, not a series of philosophies, worship, belief, etc. You were either transformed into a new creation in Christ Jesus prior to today, and are a Christian now, or you are not a Christian now, and never have been.

You are like a caterpillar swearing to me that it used to be a butterfly; it just isn't possible.

Jesus rose from the dead, and choosing from 330,000,000 million demons to worship didn't appeal to me.

>>133650962
The treasure is the kindom of heaven.

>>133650406
You can copulate a universe into existence?

Why haven't you done so then?

>>133650678
By studying it obviously. I was not born with the knowledge.

>>133650817
Jesus claimed to be God, and proved that He is God.

Anyone, even Mohammad, who denies that is going to hell.

>>133651151
>Jesus rose from the dead
How can you reinforce that claim?
It isn't a permanent transformation. What right do you have to say that I wasn't? Because my story doesn't fit with your worldview?

>>133650817
>What if Muhammad was as respectable as Jesus supposedly was.

But he wasn't. He was a psychopathic paedophile.

Assuming he was in any way respectable... then it comes down to a question of "Who is most noble?" -- i.e. who most deserves worship

The answer, for many, is Christ. It should never be Muhammad. He is not most noble among men, let alone among gods.

>>133650901
If I'm dumb, how is it that you cannot understand what I'm posting?

Since we're discussing the parables of Jesus, why would you go to a dictionary for a generic definition of parable, and not the bible as quoted above?

Judas is in hell. Everyone in heaven or going to heaven is above Judas.

>>133651380
How did he prove he was God? By being resurrected? How can it be proven that he was resurrected?
>>133651310
>not born with the knowledge
Well, you've studied it. Care to share some of the information you found in your studies?

>>133650982
You posited that the universe is older than the observers.

Self-refuting

>>133650962
The pearl is bought. Both require the sacrifice of his worldly possessions, but the field requires effort to dig. One man is rich in spirit, the other in wealth. I'm probably wrong, but I doubt I'm far off.

>>133651172
No.

>>133650982
Just fuck off beaner, taking up thread space.
No one is going to prove God in a forum thread to a subnormal with their fingers in their ears.
So Just fuck off. No one wants you in the first world. We need a wall.

>>133651493
The definition I gave doesn't differ. My example of the Boy who cried wolf may not have much moral meaning at first glance to a child, but if they are made to sympathize with the boy, the moral lesson soon appears.

>>133651620
The field then

>>133651449
The resurrection of Jesus Christ is the most recorded event in the history of the world.

When a person confesses with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believes in their heart God raised Him from the dead, the Holy Spirit enters into that person as an earnest good faith downpayment on the eventual transformation. The Holy Spirit seals the believer, immediately, and they are God's forever.

I have the right to judge you by your own words. Your words indicated that you believe you used to be a Christian, and are not one now.

As that is impossible according to the bible, you are in one of two states: Saved then and saved now, even though you don't know it; or not saved then and not saved now.

The latter is far more likely.

Denial is easy.
Prove you're not a bot to me.
If I put my fingers in my ears and screw my eyes up tight shut it's extra hard for you and therefore I 'win'.

Idiots.

>>133641030
Yeah, virtue is pretty difficult...sigh...I really hate that our society seems rigged against virtuous behavior.

But, all men by nature desire the good, the true, and the beautiful, so that's some consolation.

>>133640940
Which one?

>>133651572
>You posited that the universe is older than the observers.
Yes.
>self refuting
How so? You can measure and quantify evidence of things that existed before the inception of the observer.

>>133651679
Look at this moral logical man in all its glory foaming at the mouth with memes and racism in the face of uncomfortable truths

Reminder that all religious types on 4Chan are larpers or cherrypicking moral hypocrites

>>133651934
What is the resurrection recorded by? The Bible? What else?
Your theory about me never being a Christian rests upon Christianity being true. Could you please give me a clear reason to choose Christianity. I would genuinely like to be a Christian, but I cannot for the life of me pick it up.

>>133651567
By living a sinless life, by following the Law perfectly, by demonstrating power by healing leprosy, blindness, deafness, mutes, palsied, withered limbs, crippled people, demonstrated power over storms by calming one that professional fisherman feared would kill them, by raising Lazarus from the dead after 4 days, by feeding 10,000 people with one kid's lunch, several times, and by casting out demons even from a deaf, dumb and blind man. And then predicting who would kill him, and when, and how, and predicting his own resurrection when none of his followers thought he was serious about being killed. By giving us His Holy Spirit, so that we might know Him. And by preparing a place for us in the Father's house, so that where He is, there we will be also, and forever.

>>133652281
You're citing what the Bible says is true. What can you do to show that the Bible itself is true?

>>133652100
God =/= gods

piece of shit plebe gtfback to plebbit you faggot

>>133640940
>don't be dumb, /pol/. believe in god.

not without proof.

>>133651604
Not even in the right ballpark.

The man is God. The field is Israel. Everything about Israel is about the Promised Land; all wealth derives from the Land. The treasure is the Jews. God gave up everything He had and came down to earth a poor working class man, and gave up even his life to secure the treasure he found in that field.

Likewise, the man is God, who found a pearl of great price, the church, the collection of all believers, secreted around a core irritant, Himself, and then layered after layered after layered until it became something beautiful and wonderful and priceless. Pearls come from the sea; the sea of peoples who populate the entire world. He similarly gave up everything He had to possess that pearl, as He gave up everything He had to possess that treasure.

A thing is only worth what someone will pay for it.

The Redeemed are bought at a price, and that price is the lifeblood of God.

>>133652520
>God =/= gods

I don't use the plural idiot. There multiple religions and sects who are monotheistic and have a single god.

>>133651868
There's no higher story to the boy who cried wolf. It could be a real story, and a cautionary tale, or an invented story, and a cautionary tale.

There is no heavenly tale above it. It is what it is, and even the lost can understand it.

>>133652201
It's odd how much cognitive dissonance your head can contain. I hope that comes through with the thought that you're going to be building the wall from the south side.

>>133650982

What actually IS objective ? There is no sufficient definition of what's objective. Only a "definition most people seem to agree upon". Which is an accepted opinion.
As far as evidence goes, there's enough historical evidence regarding the NT per say. You could literally google and have a look. The eye-witness reports - or reports about reports of eye-witnesses - is what the Gospels are, or Romans, etc.. I understand when one says "yeah but y'know it's 2000 years old so who knows" and that's perfectly fine. But you don't. You're just saying "that's not possible [by scientific means] and therefore it's shit". There's actually a miracle that happens every single year since Christ died. That is the occurance of the Holy Fire in Jerusalem. It actually HAS BEEN measured scientifically and evidence points towards "an actual miracle".
>How so?
You're discussing how we can't prove biblical sayings - which is true to the extend that the Bible - as in: the bibliography as well as the particular texts - sure has been altered countless times throughout the ages. But that does not render its truth wrong.

>>133652257
Every ancient historian but Philo wrote of Jesus, Christians, the resurrection, etc. That you think you need "more than the inerrant and authoritative Word of God" is ponderous.

>>133652641
>Not even in the right ballpark.
You didn't understand it at a glance either. Thanks for explaining it though.

>>133652411
The Holy Spirit of God inspired the 40 men who wrote the 66 books of the bible over 1500 years and brought all things to their remembrance. It is a collaborative effort between God and man, and God ensured that the truth was recorded, warts and all. He also ensured that the future was recorded, no matter how far away into the future the events happened, as only He can tell the end from the beginning.

And the bible tells the story of the world from beginning to end. And it's always been right.

>>133652877
Historians in Norse Scandinavia wrote about Odin and all that LARPing nonsense too.

>>133649139
I can't deny unicorns exists unless I believe they exist first. That is some sound conservative logic for you right there.

>>133653029
How do you know the Holy Spirit inspired them?

>>133653015
That's correct, and I only understand it because the Holy Spirit taught it to me, and gave me the facilities necessary to understand it.

When I say non-believers cannot understand parables, it is because they lack the Holy Spirit, not the intelligence. These things are spiritually discerned.

>>133653034
Odin is just another iteration of Nimrod of Babylon.

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>>133640940
Only Ashkenazi believe they can hide their sin from God.

>>133653249
But historians wrote about him, so he must have been a genuine deity.

>>133653114
Because 30% of the bible is prophetic, and all of the prophecies come true when ripe.

When you read it, you'll hear the dull ring of truth page after page after page. It really does speak for itself. Where most people would cover up their faults and failures and losses, the bible just keeps recording them because they are true.

>>133641030

Living righteously and believing are NOT separated.

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>>133653029
can't tell if you are larping or merely regurgitating received words with your total lack of intellectual penetration...

>>133653042
If you knew that the unicorn in the bible is the Asian rhino, you'd be rather silly to say they didn't exist.

>>133653327
Did someone present Odin to you as a real person?

>>133653381
Can't tell if you are depressed, or suicidally depressed.

>>133653353
Now we're getting somewhere. Is the majority of your belief based upon the perceived truth of the prophesies?
I'm not really trying to disprove you. I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. I would like to become a Christian, but I can't. What in particular turned you into a Christian? When did you realise that it was the right religion?

>>133652826

addition: And of course, the unholy grail of "skepticism" - the existence of God. How I stated countless times already will neither I am ever be able to prove his existence other than anecdotes, nor will you ever be able to prove God not existing through "scientific" and "logic" means.

And that is all I'm saying. You're somehow spinning your arguments to claim things that are outright wrong - or simply inexplicable.

>>133652722
There is, just not a "higher" story in the godly sense. Having explained the parables to me, how is it relevant to me considering I'm a non-jewish European. Face it, they are just nice stories to appease a subjugated population; 'god will reward you in the end for your suffering'. It stands out even in theses parables. What was special about the jews who needed saved? By the account of Moses, the Hebrews frequently disobeyed God, to his wroth. Why were they in need of saving and not the philistines? Eventually christ came to apparently emancipate everyone, by your reckoning. Why did he institute the church?

>>133640940
Which one? There's thousands of religions out there, so how would I know which one worships the true god, if any of them do?

>>133640940
>How you look trying to hide yourself from yourself

>>133653559
No.

What caused me to be a Christian was the realization that I could not live up to anyone's rules, much less God's rules. That the bible set a standard of perfection that I could not reach. I saw God's people, led by God, with prophets and tablets and judges and kings, fail to meet God's standards again and again and again.

And I realized that there was a consequence for being a sinner; there were consequences to failing to live up to God's standards. And those consequences were to never live with God, to never be what God wanted me to be.

I realized at a very early age that I was a liar, and a thief, and more.

But then I read about Jesus, about how He had dinner with liars, and thieves, and more, and He told them that there was a way to avoid being separated from God forever. That God was providing a means to escape the consequences of death that I knew I deserved.

That there was a pardon with my name on it, there for me to take. So I took it.

That was the beginning of my life with Jesus, decades ago. Since then He has been faithful, wonderful, funny, amazing, wise, concerned, and rewarding beyond my wildest imagination.

I only became a Christian to avoid hell; but what I got from Jesus, well, if I had to choose living without Jesus and going to heaven with the devil, or going to hell with Jesus, I'd go to hell with Jesus.

Because Jesus can turn hell into heaven, and the devil can turn heaven into hell.

I, like you, was created with deep seated needs for Love, Acceptance, Meaning and Purpose. And I, like you, tried to satisfy those things with the things the world offers. And they always failed. They always disappointed.

Because only God can satisfy those needs of ours, and only God will satisfy those needs of ours, but only with our consent.

I urge you to consent.

>>133654153
You could become one of the layers on the pearl of great price, from the sea of peoples of the earth.

You could be what Jesus left heaven and came down to earth to purchase; you. Any Jew can be saved the same way, but they have the handicap of being blinded by God until the time of the Gentiles is past.

>>133643970
pretty bad argument you got there buddy

>Believe in God.
God hates faggots and niggers and thus God created AIDS.

>Do NOT believe in God
The universe and all universal forces and quantum mechanical forces over billions of years from the point of the big bang found it necessary to form a living organism in the form of what we know as the AIDS virus to infected faggots and niggers to kill then off.

Either way everyone hates faggots and niggers.

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>>133640940
I do belive in god and i do pray, i dont follow any solid religions because i belive that i can praise and make god happy in my own way by being a good man and try to help others and also spreading the light when i can

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I believe the Christian god exists, but I don't /believe/ him.

>>133655556
My allegiance is to man. Here on earth I've found bliss. Bliss, not pleasure. God has nothing to offer me. Not even he can corrupt me.

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>>133640940
>be a gullible fucktard like me /pol/

nah

>>133649345
>if i cant see it, its not real...

Ok dingle....

>>133648109
Its from >>133643672 these links they are fucking good. I highly suggest reading them all over.

>>133653042
No one believes unicorns are real. Your argument is null.

>>133656406

See, this motherfucker gets it. You're no Christian - thus, no part of the body of Christ - but I can absolutely respect you.

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Maybe a general last thing:

You can argue about God and how shit (organized) religion (and Christianity in particular) is, but you need to experience it first. This is a given in order to truly know what a Christian is talking about. Because talking le ebin Gospels and "no proof is supanaturah shiet" is purely academic and you can't grasp something deeply spiritual by academic means.
Go to a divine liturgy and other services [that may not be orthodox, of course], practice Buddhist meditation and so on.

{{{DRUMPF}}} FAGGOTS UTTERLY BTFO

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>>133656653
how the fuck does that work? I believe that Jesus existed but I don't believe he was anyone other then some cult leader.

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>>133649482
>atheism isnt the denial of God's existence

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>>133657332
There are riddles in the bible. Translators rarely tell falsehood explicitly, but it's almost designed to be followed in this weird interpertation that's become dogmatic.

>>133640940
HAHA
All religions were designed and used to keep people dumbed down. Make them believe that a camera was watching them all the time so they wouldn't question their leaders and live a life of servitude. While the Kings and Queens or Popes lived a life of luxury while people lived like animals. THE WHOLE THING IS PATHETIC

Heaven as well sounds like total bullshit, the idea of spending the rest of eternity with a bunch of do gooders while praising the dear leader sounds like living in a supernatural North Korea.

>>133642149
How do you jump from that to believing in an Abrahamic god?

Religion was replaced by the secular state

At the core of it,,there is no real difference. It's just a monopoly of force, used to in till values.

>>133642950
If God doesn't need a creator, then the universe doesnt need a creator

Your logic falls apart >>133642950

Fucking christ, I remember when it was cool and counter-culture to be atheist, so all edgy web forums were profoundly atheist. Now that it's more mainstream to not be religious, the opposite is true, and you all find solace in the fact that you believe in "god", making you different.

Fucking hipsters. You're all cancer.

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>>133658612
God has justified genocide plenty of times.

>>133640940

God is just your subconscious telling you whats right from wrong. Creating a religion just creates a set of morals to impose on a population.

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>>133644371
>I'm saying your argument against God - or Buddha-nature if you're into that - is retardation, beause you cannot explain scientifically inexplicable things with "human reason and logic".

you sound like a fucking tard
no fucking way you ever got 145 on anything but the number of times you've been ass-raped
>Ms in chem AS WELL AS theoretical physics AS WELL AS a phd in theoretical chemistry

HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHHAAA

wow kid you really piled it on thick and high didn't you

>>133644482
yeah talking sneks is so not like a fairy tale

faggot

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>>133657982
Why you mad tho?

>>133644660
don't worry, you're not wrong
there is literally zero magic anywhere
zero spirit shit
zero supernatural shit
there is no afterlife at all
its sad no one gets to live again, but at least we won't have to put up with retarded goatherder zombies