Intermarium

>>133624954
>Crimea in red

Anon, I...

>>133624993

For the purpose of this disscusion, fuck Ukraine, Belarus and Crimea. Let's pretend it is Russian land or doesn't exist.

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>>133625568
>pretend

>>133624954
Crimea? I love you Poland but dont fucm with Russia, you will get assfucked quicker than the last several times.

>>133624954
>including bosnian Serbs but not Serbia
Good luck retard

>>133628193
Servshits are russian cock suckers. We don't troyan horse in our Intermarium

>>133628555
Most eastern Europeans are butthurt or Russian cocksuckers so I don't see the problem

>>133624954
LMAO
Putin has suggested the butthurt-belt forms its own alliance as early as 2000, instead of sucking EU and americuck dicks.
Now you have this "idea" 20 years later and are asking russians on the opinions?
I distinctly remember watching some press conference where putler was in europe and he was telling the V4 retards to blanda up, there's just way too many kiddos on the internet

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>>133624954
It would take DECADES for Poland just to reset relations with the Baltic states, let alone Belarus and anything south.

>>133628555
* don't need

>>133624954
>How is it presented and described in russian media? Joke or dangerous idea?
I was watching state tv channel two weeks ago and there was a story about polaks and their butthurt over popularity of Bandera in Ukraine. He is praised as their national hero, but poles say that Ukies can apparently fuck off with heroes like that.
Other than that, there isn't much talk about balts or western slavs at all, at least in the news. Its Syria/USA and Russia most of the time.

poland, much less it's fantasy neverland, doesn't constitute more than humour section in russian media

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>>133624954
>anything further south than Croatia
>hohol land

>>133624954
>promising geopolitical project
You really think slavs are capable of getting along? Won't be long before they all begin killing each other and you have yugoslavia 2.0.
Only reason Poland and the other slavshits are not warring with Romania, Baltics etc. is because America rules over them and beings them to heel under the superiority of white men.

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>>133624954
feels dirty man

>trusting Romania

anon...

>>133624954
Why do I have the urge to call Ivan and partition this?

>>133624954
>crimea and eastern ukraine still belonging to ukraine

DROPPED

>>133624954
V4 + Croatia, Slovenia + Baltics. The rest would screw up things.

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>>133629274
>I was watching state tv channel two weeks ago and there was a story about polaks and their butthurt over popularity of Bandera in Ukraine. He is praised as their national hero, but poles say that Ukies can apparently fuck off with heroes like that.
Oh wow Russian state media that is actually correct about something in Poland, now that is unusual.
>>133629775
you actually talk about this shit in your media? It's a fucking /pol/ meme, the thing closest to the intermarium that can actually happen is three seas initiative but it's shifted to the west and doesn't include hohols or Belarus.

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>>133630375
proper map of the three seas initiative

>>133628708
Putin didn't invent the idea of Intermarium you dumb fuck it's been tried by Józef Piłsudski after WW1

Lets face it.
Western europe is falling. No go zones, victimisation of rapists/murderers (immigrants), incoming civil war, incoming sharia etc.

Sooner slavs start to get along and actually build something the better.

And I personally would love to see Intermarrum created in my lifetime.

>>133630375
why is she so fat

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>>133630375
>>133630521

>>133630375
I would like to fug Kersti t b h

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>>133630708

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>>133630971

>>133624954
I think Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine and Belorussia would be retarded to partake in this.

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>>133630931
I'm afraid that she might have a dick

>>133631084
Why?
For Bulgars and Romanians, in case of shit hitting the fan, is: eat kebab or pierogi. I would prefer pierogi.

>>133624954
>shit_that_will_never_happen.jpg
It's just autistic nonsense, like when turks talk about restoring Ottoman Empire. All these nations have to little in common and too much conflicting interests, a union like this will fall apart immediately.

>>133630664
Sell oil pls

>>133627948
Russia has a GDP equivalent to Spain, and ist military is aging
Either they develope more industry or get divided into independent states

>>133631971
Russian military aging?/, lol

>>133632097
fuck, confirmed not aging, what other arguments do you guys have?

>>133624954
Depends on its format. If Polacks believe they are going to run things same as Commonwealth or Germany in EU, then they can fuck off.

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>>133624954
Cucked bottlenecked trade ports.

Pic related
Intermarrium when germanics tell them they'll close gibraltar or baltic sea passage.

>>133632852
I'm not sure if I want to put my dick or my boot in that

>>133624954
>Adding Belarus and Ukraine onto that map when they aren't part of the group.

>>133628555
We don't need the Turk cocksuckers either.

>>133632852
Gibraltar is controled by the Brits and there's 0 chance of it being part of the EU again.

Denmark is preparing to leave the EU as it has seen the German madness.
They have had trouble with German Antifa gangs on the border and Swedish LGBT ''hooligans'' for years now and the media has been openly reporting on it.
Norway also has a say in this.

Face it the EU is done for and we are only milking it for their funds and to steal their industry.

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>>133624954
not gonna happen as long as gibs are coming in

>>133630596
"tried"
>>133634448
the gibs will stop in 2020, no?

>>133628718
> with the Baltic states
Are Latvians and Estonians also so butthurt towards us like you? I don't think so.
Besides, we are making small steps, like via Carpatia/via Baltica, your PM speaks Polish and he wants to improve our relationships (so do we), we stopped financing anti-Łukaszenko media in Belarus (average Belarussian likes Poland, there is 0 negative feelings between us)

> anything south
>what is V4
>what is really good relationship with Croatia
>what is love with Hungary
and further south we do not have any conflicts
only Germans, Russians, Ukrainians and Lithuanians. But it is pretty easy to make it Germans and Russians only, if you know what I mean (aka 1919)

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>>133630676
she is THICC

>>133630664
> slavs start to get along
kek
not going to happen

>>133628708
Blanda up like the American Football player who played both QB and Placekicker?

>>133634759
>the gibs will stop in 2020, no?
correct

>>133630664
And with western Europe permanently damaged, you'll have good competitive opportunities.

Trump is trying to help with the Three Seas deal.

>>133635227
v4, croatia and slovenia are getting along just fine, and we don't have to invite anyone else

Estonia should stay away from Slavic untermensch.

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>>133624954
Should have included the rest of the balkans too

If us, serbia and montegro enter EU we'll join you

>>133630521
>krim should be red

>>133632852
>wat is suez canal?
>Wat is belt and road initiative?

I hate it when /pol/tards and poletards think Intermarium is just großpoloniums where all those smaller countries get dominated by Poland and somehow accept it. That's not how it's supposed to work, retard.

>>133635227

WEW, she better have frozen some eggs or something, that there is some prime baby making genetics.

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>>133639227
But I want großcommonwealthus

>>133636515
Esti is balto-slav

>>133624954
why no serbia?

>>133642402
AFAIk it's pro-russia

>>133643482
because Russians are the only European power that came to their aid against the muzzies, where were you guys when your slavic brothers needed help? Helping the croats who were allies with the bosnian muslims???? Jesus wept.

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>>133643584
We genocided you all the way across the ocean. But you're forgetting two more aspects as to why Servia isn't a part of the initiative, it has no strategic importance and historically it was a part of Ottoman oriental persuasion.

>>133643584
If that was between 1795-1918, then there simply wasn't any Poland then.

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>>133630521
Sorry pal, Austria-chan is ours!!

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>>133642212
Viro is Finnic.

>>133637317
I really don't wan't to join some union again after Yugoslavia,since all unions that we entered was really damaging to Serbia.
>>133628555
Don't worry nobody really gives a shit about Polish Commonwealth 2.0 here.

>>133634970
Lithuanians are probably the only ones who butthurt cause of all the history.

That being said what do you guys mean by interrmarum or whatever its called, what is your definition of it, first time i heard this and am confused.

>>133644095
You haven't genocided shit,and Oluja was more of exodus then a genocide.
>it was a part of Ottoman oriental persuasion.
There are also Bulgaria and Romania in that map and they were also part of the Ottoman empire.

But as I said nobody really gives a shit about this union.

>>133645579
Forgot to add, buthurt cause of history and polish bydlo minority crying and being rude sons of bitches in vilnius

>>133645944

>>133645579
Intermarium = Three Seas Initiative
Basically uniting Eastern Europe because ebul Germoney and Russia.
Additionally Ukrainians are also butthurt because of history, but they aren't in TSI.

>>133646505
So its basically slavic EU? Or are the countries more autonomious?

>>133646753
Probably slavic EU (or pre-EU), but with more fairness (hopefully) and no progressive bullshit.

>>133630095
Just don't try to claim Transylvania again and we're good.

>>133630521
Looks like Greater Austria me

>>133631971
Russia has the second most powerful military in the world and has a GDP the size of Italy

So why isn't Italy or Spain feared like Russia?

Maybe because they don't spend their money on worthless refugees and social programs that don't benefit anyone? Maybe efficiency is more important than some random numbers thought up by jews?

>>133647055
i think the centralization of power is inevitable in a long run, it always falls on the people to rise up when its too much

honestly, I would be fine with intermarium if that would mean that they would save us from degeneracy (assuming we cant do it ourselves) and some for of eugenics (encouragment of reproduction of people with high IQ and discouragment of reproduction of stupid adidas gopniks, and their whore blonde wives)

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>>133624954

>Hungary
>Romania

>Serbia
>Croatia

>Poland
>Slovenia

What kind of fantasy bullshit magic is actually gonna hold these nations together?

"Hey lets fill a bag with cats and dogs, then tie it shut and kick it about! That'll work!"

>>133632852
>Intermarrium when germanics tell them they'll close gibraltar or baltic sea passage.

>Germany
>Navy
>capable of actually closing sea passages whether they have the right to or not

Lol, are you retarded? I dont think you realize just how neutered Germany is

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>>133648143
compatible languages, (most slavs can more or less understand what other slavic countries are saying)
duno about the culture, i assume their similar.
It COULD work
also the pic, are you a fucking commie?

>>133648143
I guess when the somalis start flooding our countries, that alliance wouldn't look so bad. Would never happen though, we're doomed to fall, but yeah.

>>133643584
>he doesn't know about the Battle of Vienna
>he unironically believes serbia fought harder against the Ottomans than the Poles
Serbs delusional as fuck like as always

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>>133648436
bad meme, this better

>>133644885
Austria doesn't want you muzzies, austrians are actually normal people unlike you retarded G*rmans

>>133649051
do you think germans want muzzies, if you look at the census, dont have it right now, but 62% say that muzzies dont belong in germany, 21% say they do and the rest I assume are unsure

>>133630521
Bulgaria is kinda pushing it. They're p much macedonians anyway

>>133649219
Sure, and Macron is a right wing nazi. G*rmans deserve rape and murder at this point, same with the A*glos

>>133636387
p-please?

>>133649424
a fucking leaf criticizing baguettes and marmites

>>133624954
its my wet dream desu.

>>133624954
Wet dream
All the countries in the proposed V4 hate each other

>>133628555
no serbs, but take in belarus? are you fucking retarded or smthn?

>>133648120
>i think the centralization of power is inevitable in a long run,
I hope that we evolve by that time into something efficient or we create tensions to dissolve in a peaceful manner if we create the same shit.
>>133648143
We don't hate Slovaks lol, and Serbians aren't even there. Hopefully all other autism inducers have calmed by now and we'll make it work.
>>133649051 >>133649219
Does it matter? Austria appears only slightly less cucked than Germany.

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>>133624954

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/132134596

There is no way a bunch of orthodox and catholics are going to get along so easily.

Orthodox countries have a stronger affinity to Russia and don't view it as a threat. I am not against the idea of Intermarium as long as there is also a Balkan union and Ukraine and Belarus are not contested territory.

>>133649424
you are a fucking retard if you think germans collectively decided to let them in, actually nobody fucking asked them if they wanted muzzies, it was merkel and her coalition in brussels who tyranically made the choice. Germans dont deserve it and no nation deserves it. fucking grow up.

>>133649854
>I hope that we evolve by that time into something efficient or we create tensions to dissolve in a peaceful manner if we create the same shit.

Power tends to attract powerhungry people, some mentally ill person ones in a while always end up on the top. The honest person most of the time isn't interested in politics, only gets involved when the parasites make a mess.

>>133628555
You're such a dumb ass pole, he meant if you're gonna include serb bosnia into commonwealth, you better include serbia too since you're gonna get buttblasted like the cuck you are otherwise. So don't split up the nation.
Your response: we dunttt ned ur country serba sanywaysss.
Neck yourself.

>>133630521
TPИ MOPETA!

I knew it was gonna happen one way or another desu.

>>133649754
Dude, Belarus is the only neighbour that wouldn't remove us from the map if they had one chance.
Behind the dictature's wall, they look like a fucking cool nation

>>133624954
If I remember correctly, Putin was very supportive about this.
If you don't touch Ukraine and Belarus, I don't see why Russia should have something against it.
We almost don't trade trade with you, so it doesn't affect Russia economicaly in negative way, and meanwhile EU getting weaker.

>>133650573
Was working in Minsk in construction one time, talked to some belarussians, it seems they hate poles a bit too, they think you are too arrogant and proud to the point where you belittle them.

their words

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>>133650833
Don't worry, Belarus and Ukraine goes to Lithuania

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>>133648513

Yeah I was thinking the same.
Truth be told, there will be a REALLY FUCKING SHITTON of arabs and niggers to shoot, so as simplistic as that might seem, it may just about work out. I mean its either that or literal extermination. The real problem is the slavs though, for whom literal extermination is just the beginning of a good fight.

I mean it's no accident that the USSR had nuclear silos here targeting fucking Vienna and Berlin. The idea being we nuke next door first and then invade the freshly irradiated land with troops to occupy. That mentality has less to do with being Soviet and more to do with being the template for the Orks in the WH 40K Universe.

(I'm ever so sorry Poland, but you too would go nuclear on Russia if you could.)

>>133650863
>they think you are too arrogant and proud to the point where you belittle them.
And they are right. Poles are so fucking obnoxious.

>>133650863
They are right. But i'm sure they wouldn't miss the chance if someone proposed them cooperation on good terms

>>133650529
Why are Bulgarians so enthusiastic about this? I mean seriously, you ALWAYS show up and ALWAYS go full TRI MORETA
I mean, it's not bad, but I didn't expect Bulgaria to like this idea.
>>133650833
Aren't those two completely unimportant anyway?
>>133650863
Mmmh possibly it's that we like to make Polan great again.
>>133651224
Obligatory hohol - check!

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>>133650833
Yes goyim, brake away from the EU, form your own thing.

For this to work Poland needs to start making some nukes first.

>>133651822
start sending excess enriched uranium to polen

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>>133651323
yeah, but probably only if some outside threat would present itself.
Eu coalition? Muzzies? Russia?

>>133651822
eu is pushing degeneracy. i would divide, if that would mean to stop degeneracy, which literally destroys nations

>>133651323
>proposed them cooperation on good terms
You would try to lure by promising this, but, considering history, then you would show your true colors given the opportunity.
History and recent events taught me to trust only yourself. Fuck this "we are your bigger brother" bullshit.

>>133639227
its how it will work because of polish imperialistic tendencies. We will overflow the bureocracy with our people and slowly make it the polish commonwealeth, and then greater poland. Not that i dont want greater poland tho.

>>133652079
Say whatever you want, but XX century Poland really wanted an independant ukraine. The thing is that you people didn't want it.

Same thing with the euromaidan. We wanted to help you, you spat on the hand and started yelling about forgiving the poles for the fact you slaughtered 150 thousands of them.

The Belarussians have nothing to fear, but your country sows more and more hatred into all your neighbours. As if you weren't made out of their land

>>133652079
Do you even like anybody?

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>>133652448
yeah that is probably what is gonna happen, polish will have the most influence

>>133652674
>Say whatever you want, but XX century Poland really wanted an independant ukraine. The thing is that you people didn't want it.
We did? I thought it was mistake on our part that we didn't negotiate indepenent Belarus and Ukraine from soviets.

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>>133653018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheism

>>133652002
> eu is pushing degeneracy. i would divide, if that would mean to stop degeneracy, which literally destroys nations
Ok, so we brake away. Once the shitskins and degeneracy reach unbearable levels, the rest of EU will collapse due to civil war . What's going to stop the Rus invading us? We're next to Russia and our armies are, let's be honest, shit.
Without nukes to threatened Russia with Mutually Assured Destruction we're fucked.

>>133653018
Jacek Bartosiak said in one of his videos that that time Belarus offered Poland personal union but "we" refused. Not sure if this is true tho

>>133648436
Serbian is my first langauge and I can only more of less somewhat understand Bulgarian and Slovenian , the rest are too far for my ear

>>133651607
>40 years cucked by Russians
>30 years cucked by Jewrope/US

Just looking for new cock I suppose.

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>>133653650
what about written?

>>133653204
No offence, but from our point of view there was no "Lithuania" as a country.
You must understand that we didn't force your nobility to learn polish, accept polish culture etc. but after a couple centuries nearly all of the Lithuanian nobles became Poles, and a Lithuanian literally meant a Pole born in the GDL.

I'm highly unhappy that it ruined our relations for the centuries to come, but Poland won the culture war which kind of merged Lithuania into Poland

>>133653650
Nobody wants Serbia in this union though

>>133653204
>tfw you almost never refer to Poland, but always to Commonwealth
I mean, what's better? Polska or Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów? Second sounds more badass.
...Not to mention we had magyar kings, so it wasn't "just Poland" either.
>>133653297
>tfw if this succeeded Ukraine wouldn't hate us now
Feels bad man
>>133653313
Either Murica or, hopefully (in the event of US not coming to help), Russian civil war.

>>133653313
>What's going to stop the Rus invading us?
And whats stopping them now? Obviously not the mighty german or spanish armies. As long as there is USA behind our back playing the big brother the bully shouldnt make a move. Also there are birds spreaing rumours that in case of bigger conflict China might be interested in Siberia. But you are right, we need nukes anyway

whoever thinks this is possible is quite stupid and dont know history, also doesnt understand geopolitics, and quite frankly does not understand numbers even.

>>133654179
>China might be interested in Siberia
What for? They're running our of space?

>>133654140
well the historians refer to commonwealth as just Poland. That is what the problem is, we just want to be recognized D:
>>133654027
i suppose your point is valid, i vaguely remember that one of the reasons our history teacher explained that Lithuanian nobility got polonized, was because polish nobility had more liberties and rights than Lithuanian. Ever heard about this theory?

>>133654093
But you have Croatia , they speak Serbian (they call it Croatian)
>>133653922
Written I can pick up many words and if I know the context I can somewhat guess what it means but it's just a guess and many times completely off

>>133654179
> And whats stopping them now?
Honestly? The EU (France actually has nuclear weapons) and USA.
Once we're on our own, the EU is gone and Russia invades us Murica will be like GOOD RIDDANCE!

>>133624954
Russia can steamroll that block in a week. They aren't interested in anything other than us joining them under their flag.

>>133654608
Get it through your head that no one likes Serbia, go make your own union with the vodkaniggers faggot

>>133654787
Damn fuck you loser disporia of whatever you are.
What did I even say about joining this I'm just speaking about languages.

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>>133654608
i see, then my assumption was wrong, I based that on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfpEPjfB12g

>>133654602
Polish liberties were like none other. It was easier to polonize for Lithuanians than for Rusyns because of catholicism, but even then, a lot of Rusyns abbandoned orthodox church for the liberties.
Think about it. You don't really hear about Lithuanians when talking about January or November uprisings, did they hide somewhere? Wasn't that a fight for their country aswell?
They did indeed fight, but most of them were undistinguishable from the Poles and that's why Lithuania is kind of forgotten in the history.

>>133654970
Your language is irrelevant to this thread

>>133654658
So we make nukes. There's some nerd in V4 who knows how to enrich uranium. There's uranium ores near my town ffs, we'll manage.

>>133654538
Pretty much 1/5th of the world's population is in China. They also got money to invest so why not more land that is not used by Ruskies anyway.

>>133654658
France is German bitch right now t b h. Just look at Macron. Germany on the other hand is fed up with USA's domination and wants to rule itself and their europe freely. In case of conflict theres a big chance that Germany would not even allow Americans troops to get to Poland and there is no other way for them to get here. Danish straits on the Baltic sea are too dangerous to swim through.

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>>133655125
Polish led the charge, Lithuanians joined, nobody bothered to mention them in the records, well whatever, i dont care that much about that.

>>133624954
East europe countries should build stronger ties both ideologicaly and military, but not in form of federation.

>>133655592
Thats exactly what 3 seas initiative aims for

>>133654602
not our historians, we always call it Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów or 1st Rzeczpospolita. RON means - commonwealth of 2 nations OR a commonwealth that belongs to the 2 nations (2 is obojga and it is a word of two humans in personal form, because in our language naród[nation] is treated like a person). Also misunderstandings may be caused by the fact that we divided RON into Korona (Polish part) and Litwa (lithuanian part), so it suggests that a whole country is Poland, but we have never percived it this way, except for Piłsudski, who was a great strategist and leader, but terrible person. Fun fact: He was lithuanian himself.

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>>133654027
It doesn't help that majority of "Lithuania" were conquered Rus lands and they most likely didn't feel connection with Lithuania proper.
>>133654602
Tbqh its probably because Poland is more relevant nowadays and/or PLC was commonly referred to as Poland anyway. If that makes you feel better, vg/gsg/ almost always refers to PLC instead of Poland.
>>133655125
>uprisings
Pic relevant. I'm not sure if those ""liberties"" were inherently polish, but there was a decent degree of tolerance of different beliefs and peoples (which was more or less necessity since it was a federation of federations).

It's pretty sad it all won't come back.

>>133654658
agree. and it wount be the first time in history things like this happen. but honestly at the end of the day its also those countries fault. if they actually did a better job at putitng crooks and thieves in jail, raising economy and building their society and armies, they would be better off from every point of you. just think of how many opportunities were lost between 1918-1939, and when the war came, Romanian soldiers had to fight underequipped, eat bad/little food, wear rags.

>>133655136
It's literally not
Learn to language brainlet

>>133654602
>well the historians refer to commonwealth as just Poland
ive literally never heard anyone refer to commonwealth as poland, its always rzeczpospolita

>>133655691
Literally it means Res publica (republic) of two nations. Also, didn't Piłsudski advocate for federational Poland focused on east?
>>133655366
We really, really should have nukes, Poland or whomever, so that we can have some deterrent against others. I don't believe any kind of disarmament will work.

>>133655057
We'll for example we get a lot of Russian tourists in Montenegro and we just talk English to them

>>133655815
i love that eagle has sword and cross, fucking quintessention of our country

>>133624954
>What do you think? Wet dream of Poland / V4 or promising geopolitical project?

It's a good idea that I've thought would work well for a long time It would be a neutral buffer between the Western powers and Russia.

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>>133649291
>They're p much macedonians anyway

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>slavs = slaves

>>133655691
i see, i always though it happened that way because of some Polish historians wanted to jew up every little thing so it would be more all about only Poland

>>133656062
>ive literally never heard anyone refer to commonwealth as poland, its always rzeczpospolita
well for example here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland
it just refers to this as partitions of poland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth
here it explicitly says that after 1791 it is "commonwealth of poland"
I know that wiki is a bit of a cancer, but nobody bothers to change that, so I assume everybody agreed on this terminology

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>>133656029
wait, let me rephrase that

your subhuman people are not welcome here

>>133656190
I find it quite funny that even with 3 herbs each one has a sword and a cross.
Also it shows transformation of human -> animal lover -> fucking furry

>>133656125
>didn't Piłsudski advocate for federational Poland focused on east?
he was doing it only for polish intrest, he wanted to build strong Poland at any cost, at ANY COST. Do you really think it was good? I love Poland not because of the life here, but because our country was 90% of the time a good guy. I love this country because it has cared for others and hadn't cared about its own intrest in the first place, but it cared about values like freedom, kindness, protecting weaker ones and so on. It was almost like Jesus Christ and we should follow this way, because our national honour and spirit is what makes this country worth dying for it.

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>>133656539
I just noticed that (in my memory) there is some strange drift that early on it's PLC, but in XVII century it's suddenly Poland. Anyways most of the time we referred to PLC on history lessons.

>>133656625
>herbs
its coat of arms in english
>>133656539
*in poland, i mean, i have no idea what terminology westerners use and i honestly dont give a single fuck

>>133656539
because its english wiki, what triggers me the most is that they call it plc which is cruel name because it puts poland in the first place, while we were using rzczpsplta obojga narodów to avoid puting any country first, because we were all equal, noone was more more important, noone was less.

>>133624954
I support it.
>west from it: mudslimes and cucks
>east from it: russian multikulti with mudslimes like chechens and laws that keep them pacified(article 282), russian chauvinism and superiority complex ready to eradicate the cultures and languages of Intermarium and replace with rusian.

I think Greece and Finland should be invited too or at least be good allies.

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>>133656619
what do you mean by subhumans
pic related

>>133656696
>but because our country was 90% of the time a good guy.
90% we were a dick to Russia/Ottoman/whatever bad guy. We weren't entirely unsalvageable, but saying we were good is licking your own balls. We were just like everybody else, just with a strange libertarian spin.
...I don't remember this becoming PLC thread.

>>133624954

V4 minus poland plus croatia would be better.
poland, ukraine, balts and belarus without the rest is fine, and has the largest population of any european country i think.

>>133657076
> We were just like everybody else
indeed, for example we did such a party in moscow that hitler would go shy like a little girl when compared
we just rolled bad dice in history

>>133657076
>We weren't entirely unsalvageable,
and we paid for these sins with partitions and 2 world wars...

Dla mnie już jest oczywiście że też będziemy częścią tego państwa jeśli Rosja upadnie.


For me it's obiviously that we will be a part of this coutry if Russia will collapse.

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>>133656936
>which is cruel name because it puts poland in the first place, while we were using rzczpsplta obojga narodów to avoid puting any country first, because we were all equal, noone was more more important, noone was less.
i appreciate your understanding, but even our history teacher told us that Poland was a bit of higher authority than Lithuania in the union, only because Poland was a kingdom, while Lithuania was a Duchy by rank. So since King is higher than Duke, that automatically makes Polish the bigger partner in the union

>>133653313
we're still allied with America
and they have a lot of nukes tbqh
trump is very supportive of the tsi

>>133656619
>subhuman
Oh I see what's going on here.
What happened, its July and you're not back home on vacation Ante? I guess the toilets in Toronto won't clean themselves

>>133657313
whats we

>>133657439
Why are so cucked today, Pauls?

Why don't you want to rebuild RP again, together?

>>133636387
>croatia and slovenia are getting along just fine
Anon I...

>>133656932
They don't care probably, so they use Poland because it's bigger or, historically, more relevant.
>>133657083
Like it or not, but EE would actually use a bigger, stronger country, even if only to scare off others. Besides Poland isn't as strong as you think.
>>133657309
This is so cliche that we even get an atonement phase now/in the future.
>>133657313
Uhhh I'm pretty sure Russia is big enough that specifying your location would help us determine where you actually are. Besides, even if Russia falls into turmoil once more, we just can't forget you'd still have nukes. We can't just hope they all malfunction, there's too many of them.

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>>133657500
I make 200 euros in a day while your stuck kneeling to south koreans, getting beaten and have to sign up to go the bathroom

all for 200 euros in a month.

You are pathetic, weak, economically worthless to this union. And even if we so nicely wanted to include you, you would chimp out the fastest and fuck things up the fastest.

No thank you

>>133655366
Even with nukes I have my doubts this would work. Why? Because the jew controlled Russia would gladly risk nuclear holocaust and 70 million dead ruskies to conquer us. Just look at WW2, millions upon millions of russians sent to the slaughter.

>>133655423
> Just look at Macron
I don't know about that, he said some interesting things lately, but France is too far gone now. Wikipedia says France has 7-9% muslim population, so we can safely assume it's at least double that.

Our future doesn't look very bright. Maybe we can hold on to our own a while longer than the west if we play our cards right, but we're gone for sure.

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>>133624954
>he doesn't remember what happened last time

>>133657494

>>133654658

>>133624954

This would mean no more gibs for Poland.
So, it ain't ever gonna happen.

>>133657667
My już mamy dość z islamizacji

Jeszcze 20-30 lat i nawet ostatni watniki będą witać was z kwiatami

>>133628718
>let alone Belarus
Actually Poland has very good relations with Belarus. Belarus is very bro tier towards Poland and vice versa. At worst Poles aren't interested with Belarus.

I had no idea Polish and Belarussian languages are so similar. I've watched some clin on YT from Blarussian TV and I could understand 75% never hearing Belarussian before in my life.

>>133657602
im just saying how i was told by my history teacher, if I would not say things that fit my narrative, then I would just be a jew. Well I guess the honesty is what got us in this shithole eh.

What do you mean RP? Russian Pydar
Russian Pedofilia
Russian Pudding?
what
p.s. Paulius

>>133657955
shame only 5% or so of them speak belarussian

>>133657731
>200 euros a day
That's it? In Canada? That's like 52k a year how do you afford to go out and get a beer?

>>133648120
gtfo with communist bullshit. We want free market and guns. Stupid adidas gopniks are necessity to scare any progressive euroshits.

>>133657980
RP res publica
rzeczpospolita
commonwealth

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>>133658116
oh, it was russian poster so I though he meant something else

>>133657916
*dość migrantów

Kurwa, lepiej być pod Chinami niż islamizacja

>>133657980
You know what I meant

>>133658029
It's not shame, it's our opportunity to polonise them.

Also Belarussian = southern Russian

Belarus should speak Polish. The whole, even east.

>>133658049
You don't even know how pathetic you look Nemanja. I could probably buy out an entire Serbian town if I wanted to, but who wants to deal with all the subhumans already there?

I wonder how fast your daughter would sit on my dick if I offered her that 200 euro I make in one day

>>133642212
No.

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We were in it also

Please let us in guys

We need it

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>>133658386
you guys will be dependent designated industrial meme production territory, contaminated with autism so severe only finns could survive in such enviroment

>>133658386
We too. Our russian finns need it too. Even when I was a child I understood that they are a different nation.

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>>133656519
slavs = suevi
germans btfo eternally

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>>133658619
I personally support the Kalerian independence, even though it would be a very poor nation

>>133656352
there should be only two slavic countries in the balkans:
bulgaria which will also consist of serbia, serbian bosnia, macedonia and cernogora,
Slovenia which will also consist of croatia , rest of bosnia

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>>133658829
why would they want independence? are they a different ethnicity?

>>133658953
you do know croatians had their own pope-approved crown yes

>>133624954
who the fuck made this map?
you let bosnia (majority muslim) join, but serbia is out?
this board is so fucking retarded, i swear

>>133658993
Read a book african

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Is Ksiuša Zanuda finnish?

Or northern slav?

>>133657733
>Our future doesn't look very bright. Maybe we can hold on to our own a while longer than the west if we play our cards right, but we're gone for sure.

I believe in the oposite. Our future looks really bright. The weakest Russia since ever, west breaking under the muslim invasion and there is us - flirting with both strongest countries in the world at the same time. Imo if we could put aside our diferences and work together intermarium could be a thing.

>>133624954
They have no military power and they are between Western Europe and Russia.

>serbia not included

thank you so much, this means so much to me

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>>133658386

>>133659269
shut up mongol. you shouldnt expect everybody to know everything about you and around you, when asked you should politely answer like a good dog you are.
kalerian territory originally was considered some of your territory too. so shut the fuck up and you go read a book spurdo sparde sperg :DDD

>>133659869
Protip:

You're a mongol also, learn your fucking memes

>>133659472
First get nukes Poland; realistically, you're the only one capable, maybe the rest can chip in. Otherwise this is just a fantasy.

>>133659273
Trick question, probably Karelian

That is a REALLY bad map.

Needs to exclude Ukraine and include Greece and Serbia.

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>>133659994
first you call me african now you call me mongol.
it is you who is retarded, my friend.

>>133660071
Technically it's good because we have the most to loose, the biggest capability (because we have the most people...) and our ambitions will mean that we won't just stand by and allow others to swallow Ukraine/Belarus/Balkans.

>>133659627
>UK
>literally the country that supported the Ottomans in murdering most of us

Whew lad

>>133657955
We and Belarusians are the same people, really. Except they were longer under heavier Russian influence than we were.
Same culture, mentality, traditions, history (par last 70 years). The language is main difference.

>>133660337
What part of "Intermarium muslim containment area" you don't understand?

>>133660633
The part where you're memeing your REEEE RUSSIA stupidity.

I'm all for a union and I hate russians as much as the next guy who's ever met them, but your autism is palpable and starting to get annoying.

>>133660287
Don't tell me what to do.

*grabs you by the neck*

>>133660878
C'mon son, that last panel was just a joke. I don't even seriously consider having Ukraine in, I'd rather wait until they tire of larping as nazis and come to us willingly. Not to mention Switzerland is "neutral".

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>>133660907
alright, nice talking to you. Have a good night, friend

>>133661106
>[
I've read most of the thread, it's 90% REEE RUSSIA

Poland will never be a serious force while it still holds emotions over reason.

>>133661446
Night.

*tucks your blanket*

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>>133661650
feelings and history stop having any significane the moment a huge threat will pose itself

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>>133661650
are you drunk, i dont see anyone reeing here besides you

>>133661872
>feelings and history stop having any significane the moment a huge threat will pose itself

So why are Poland and you baaltics still REEEEEing over Russia even though you're both facing bigger threats?

>>133661939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKeormeYFQ8

>>133659627
>UK
No thanks

>>133661910
The whole discussion circles around who to include or how everyone will get along regarding their attitudes to Russia. Sure, it may be one lithuanian and one pole just reeing, but that's besides the point - while your allegiance to Russia or Russophilia or whatever is still part of the discussion, this shit won't work. That's non-negotiable.

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>>133662404
>attitude towards nearby world power doesnt matter
mate

http://www.zeit.de/2017/27/drei-meere-initiative-donald-trump-polen

Trumps' appearance in Warsaw also has an
>economic policy dimension, which mainly affects the Germans.
The German companies BASF and E.on, together with the Russian company Gazprom, have built the
>Nord Stream 1 Nord Stream 1 seaplane, which transports gas from Russia to Germany, bypassing Poland and Ukraine.
Now they want to build a second pipeline, Nord Stream 2. Most East Central Europeans, in particular Poland, lobby in Brussels and Washington. They fear a growing dependence on the European energy supply from Russia. In fact, the US Senate decided two weeks ago new sanctions against Russia. The law expressly designated Nord Stream 2 as "harmful" and instead recommends American liquefied petroleum (LNG) exports to Europe.

>>133650409

This. Being afraid of Serbia leaking info to your Soviet boogeyman but not RS?

I take it you don't know about Bosnian Serbs OP.

We won't care much about you, but try and imply power over us and in two days - at most - there's Western Intermarium and Eastern, ruled by Dodik and Putin respectively.

http://archive.is/lfo2D


The three-seas initiative fits in well with this expansion. The Alliance was initially planned by the PiS strategists as a
>counter-balance in the EU against Germany
and France. However, because only a few countries wanted to get tied up in front of these carts, the initiative now focuses mainly on large infrastructure projects. This includes a new LNG terminal in Croatia, as well as transnational gas pipelines, which should connect Poland and Croatia, for example - and could transport American LNG.

In Warsaw one will not tire of emphasizing that the three-seas initiative is by no means directed against Germany or even the EU. On the contrary, regional cooperation is a "new approach to Europe's unity and cohesion

>>133657667

>EE would actually use a bigger, stronger country, even if only to scare off others. Besides Poland isn't as strong as you think.

i know that poland isn't some kind of colossus, but within v4 its simply too large, it will be hegemonic over the other members and treat the federation as an extension of its own foreign policy.

poland, ukraine, belarus and the baltic states would be a better arrangement, since they are more similarly sized, balts notwithstanding.

ideal visegrad group setup for central european stability would be czechia, austria, hungary, croatia, slovakia and slovenia.
all of these countries together have the same population as poland, more or less.

>>133662538
The attitude matters, measuring who's who based on who's a russophile and who's a russophobe and who's allegiance lies where and what not is how we've been stupid for decades now and it hasn't resulted in a union.

>>133656619

what the fuck is this medising shit?!
that's not kneeling, that's prostration.

>>133663002
>poland, ukraine, belarus and the baltic states would be a better arrangement
Objective is wall between germs and energy suppliers, mainly ruskis

>>133663034
no, its very important, there is no union if there is no common mind or goal, and being vassals of different powers is well, a dealbreaker, i dont get how do you imagine a union when some countries are under american boot and some under russian and some german and thus pursue the goals of their respective overlords.
mind that unions dont magically appear in an instant so we CANT loose our overlords in a second, it needs steady years of work, which is as i mentioned already impossible with different goals in mind

>>133663372

that's a bad objective.
only leads to trabbre, as jackie chan would say.

would croats support a union with the other similarly sized ex-habsburg countries?
like the eu, but cozier and less hellbent on ethnic replacement.

>>133663034
and see this
>>133663372
the first part would be controlling east-west trade
if some countries break the deal due to their alliegience there would not be much in terms of control no

>>133661650
it would help if russia admitted their past crimes and formally apologized and didn't do stuff like annexing parts of neighboring countries or doing military exercises in kaliningrad where they play out war scenarios that involve nuclear strikes on polish soil

>>133663548
>being vassals
>american boot
>russian boot
>>133663698
>allegiance
>>133663704
>it would help if russia admitted their past crimes and formally apologized

Ok Poland, cheers, I'll enjoy remaining in the third world with you in the coming century!

>>133624954
Nah i dont want join this shitty group.EU will be good for me for few years and we will leave as always after they will stop giving us free money.Austria and ukraine shouldnt be part of this project or we will join Russia.

>>133647957
Also the vast majority of western gdp is in (((services))) which aren't really productive.

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It's a serious project, guys

>>133644095
lol you didnt do shit, im half cro/serb....you guys always act more important/bigger than you actually are

>>133644377
>>133648931
im talking about the 90s

>>133663903
you really dont understand politics do you.
or maybe you think you are independent?

>>133664267
It's not about being independant or dependent, its the mentality where we cling to outdated emotional bullshit and instead of talking about our respective futures we focus on pasts and trying to find out who is on the wrong side.

The inherent division and backwardness we still cling to will NEVER let us move forward, where we need reason and practicality.

Intermarium, a balkan union, a proper V4 will all be memes until we each go through a period of enlightenment or generational change OR happen upon amazing leaders.

>>133664126
You didn't do shit in the 90s, "remove kebab" is a meme that didn't exist back then, you Serbs are just revising history because you see the anti-Islam current and want sympathy

>>133664870
there is absolutely NOTHING emotional in what ive said.
please point out
also there is no right or wrong side, its just that we need to be on one side to form any kind of union

>>133665176
>vassal
>part of one side

All of that

>>133664870 >>133665338
What is wrong with making sure our interests aren't conflicting?

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>>133665338
i dont get what is so hard to understand for you

>>133638888
Land trade is extremely expensive compared to sea trade.
One of the main reasons Russia, mainland China, the -stans, etc are so poor.

>>133648424
>I dont think you realize just how neutered Germany is
Not like they've been known to take radical shifts in foreign and domestic policy before right? And they're in a much better economic position than post WWI right now.

>>133665542
Because it's not about interests. By and large, our interests are our own and people don't support American nor Russian interests. When you talk about who belongs to what side or conflicting interests, you're trying to find the wrong rather than the common. That can never result in unity, just as in our respective countries things like wanting to not shit on Russia at any given opportunity brands you an enemy. Also it opens up the possibility of endless division, as we do nowadays.

You'll see, maybe, one day.

>>133665675
Me neither. Vassalage, what side you're on - all that is emotional bullshit. I don't pay taxes to the US. I don't do it for Russia. I don't vote for parties' foreign interests - even though some people do, a stupid vote is a stupid vote.

Talking about vassalage and sides is the same bullshit division we've killed our countries and reduced ourselves to third world for. Yes, there's a lot of history there. Until we let go of that, however, it'll never ever work.

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>>133624954

V6 when?

>>133624954
polish intermarium will side with USA. western europe will fall and become wasteland. turks and chinks will join forces to fight us. polska i USA na zawsze

>>133628698
Most Slavs have a history of hating Serbs and Russians since Serbs and Russians being the largest Slavic populations within and outside of the Balkans respectively made them the de facto leaders of pan-slavic states.

Put simply Yugoslavia is a Serbian state and the Russian Empire is a Russian state because no other ethnic groups have the same population. That being said I do find pan-Slavism to still be an interesting concept, and it would be a lot more interesting if Slavic countries weren't facing demographic collapse.

>>133669029
>Serbia
>largest population in the balkans

Mate...

>>133624954
Is that Lithuania?

>>133669351
>Serbs 11.5-12.5 million
>Bulgarians 9-11.3 million

>>133630521

>austria in a union with polack subhumans

the only realistic "union" is you being our stable boy like you used to be untermensch

>>133652674
>Say whatever you want, but XX century Poland really wanted an independant ukraine
This is the arrogance I'm talking about.
WE WERE FIGHTING AGAINST YOU FOR OUR INDEPENDENCE! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War
You were literally occupying Western Ukraine and Western Belarus and you would take more, if not for the soviets. And you were opressing and trying to polonize us, as fucking always. Even apolitical and less nationalistic Belarusians started to protest, because how shit you were.

>>133624954
If they think to take in Belarus and other very close allies of russia or rather buffer staates this will go very fast very south.

or in simpel words. Russians will curb stomp the V4 nations by even attempting shifting the geopolitical landscape.

look at krim and even the thought of loosing the acces to black see after what bush jr did with Georgia and so forth.

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just leave this here
its called Alpinum

>>133652734
Not you and not russians. I like countries which don't try to actively fuck with us.

>>133672940
Kek, didn't the king from Lichtenstein marry some ugly niggress?

>>133654140
>>tfw if this succeeded Ukraine wouldn't hate us now
Stop being this fucking oblivious. You were doing it to weaken other countries and to retake former Commonwealth lands, not to help us. You took parts of Ukraine and oppressed us, when you had an opportunity. This is why we hate you, this is why Volyn happened.

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>>133644095

>4mio croats needed 4years + NATO help to win against only 400k croatian serbs

we wuzz david n shieeet winning wars against much strooonker goliath n shieet

croats are as ridiculous and prepotent as turks ... has it something to do with 150 years of ottoman rule?

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>>133624954

>be dutch and live in holland
>never seen a sea in my life.

Fuck my life.

>>133672940

this

true master race

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>>133672940

southern tyrol and the whole veneto region + istria and slovenia (after ethnical cleansing/austrianazation) has to be added ofc