Can a Desert be reforested?.

Yes.
The Sahara has been alternating between desert and woodlands every 20,000 years for the past 3 million years, along with the wobble of the Earth and the concurrent movement of the monsoon.
Just takes a shitload of water.

>>133619728

Gheddafi wanted and could have done it if was supported

>>133619728
>Is it posible to make a hot ecosystem, for example a Desert, colder?
With continuous human intervention, yes. But if it is left to itself, it will turn back into desert.

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I'm from Spain

My country is becoming hotter and hotter. Today we reached the highest temperature recorded in Spain's history 50 celcius(like 130 f)

Are there artificial techiques to make the weather cold and nice again?

Do we need to plant more trees?,
Build artificial lakes to cold the place?

What can we do, shit?

No but you can get PTSD from living next to a gun range.

>>133620483
Maybe you should've thought about that before you cut down every tree to build three Armadas that were completely ineffective.

Yes: https://youtu.be/jvc1Wm9KKro

>>133620841
Maybe...

>>133620841
Hehe

Thin the world's forests, ship logs to the Sahara, dump logs on the sand. Tons of them. Chip some of them, leave others intact. Haul in non-contaminated biodegradable waste from all over, pour it onto the logs. It 's important that it starts out without contaminants, but you DO want it to rot enthusiastically. You're aiming to create a horrifying septic swamp for biological agents to feast on.

Keep going long enough and eventually the desert will be a Brazillian-type jungle ecosystem with a few precious inches of topsoil sustaining everything else. Or, y'know, maybe it'll just stay a slowly-drying stinking swamp. But at least it wouldn't be a desert anymore! It'd have more life in it.

>>133619728
Search "seed balls"

Yes it is possible. Once the tree has gained ground, it will sustain itself and create the ecosystem and draw the rain and stuff.

>>133619728
NEWSFLASH.
Most of the coldest places on earth are deserts. The biggest desert in the world is in Antartica

>>133619728
It's possible, but not for niggers or sandniggers.

>>133619728
Of course it can, haven't you played Terra Mystica?

>>133619728
No, because there is a motive if the desert is now a desert in the first place
You'd need too much water and millennias to establish a self-functioning ecosystem
They tried to artificially create forests in bare islands but they are not efficient and still needs human intervention, an ecosystem take time to build itself because it's a dynamic equilibrium between everything from bacterias, inorganic resources, animals, plants, fungi, weather

>>133620841
Why the Aryan flag, Angloposter? Ashamed of your red leaf?

>>133621505
This. It has already been tried, but some niggers can't help but chop down the planted trees.

>>133621294
You'd still need thousands of years
>>133621378
>create the ecosystem
This is not Wall-E

>>133619728
Don't make it woodland. Make it a mix of plains and woodlands.
https://youtu.be/vpTHi7O66pI

>>133621714
You know nothing, burgerman.

>>133620025
CItation needed.

>>133621884
Remember that time you were neutral and the Aryans decided to attack you anyway? And the time we saved you?

And do you remember the time it happened again?

Also please just fucking choose to be Dutch or French. You're confusing everyone with this nonsense.

>>133621884
>belgium
You're hardly a country bby

>>133619728
Yes. See southern california.
/thread

>>133620841
>spanish armada
>ineffective
Wew lad

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>>133622199
Why? They have a strong sense of community.
Just look at how they protect their beloved mujaheeden countrymen against evil policemen

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>>133622199
>>133622080

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Pretty sure the Israeli's have been attempting this for decades. Try to summon one for a quick run down.

>>133622555
But this is for agriculture, not artificially creating a natural environment

>>133619728
Of course. If work is put into it.
But we all know that shitskins doesn't want to work.

No and yes.

First of all, you are going to require insane amounts of water. You need rain for the rainforest. So water is no.1 requirement.
Second, you need animals to shit all over the place, or clover or similar plant to enrich everything with nitrogen. After water you need fertilizer.

Once the sand is rich with water and minerals/fertilizer, yeah you can grow a forest. But good luck getting the water, let alone fertilizing that wasteland.

>>133623067
Southern California gets its water from northern California and oregon.
Spain will need to import water from france.

>>133622682
They've planted a forest on the outskirts of the Negev desert, the Yatir forest

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>>133622544
Go home.

>>133623379
That is a small scale experiment for larger applications
Still impossible for Mojave or Sahara

>>133619728
The UAE has floated a flan to build an artificial mountain, which will cause clouds to build up on the Western side and rain there/ go over the mountain and rain to the east

Dig a huge canal trough the desert and into the ocean so the ocean water travels trough the canal and replenishes the desert with water.

>>133623588
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qattara_Depression_Project

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>>133620483
Yes plant more trees.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSErBAghEIY

Every European man should follow his example.

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>>133623532
¿Qué?
>>133622555
Dear God dad don't do that! Summoning demons is a sin.

It would be more beneficial if they kept growing heroin for the Mexicans to take the blame for.

I hate this shit as much as you do.

>>133619728
I live in the desert. The problem with planting trees here is the winds during monsoon will pull them out by the roots, even big mature trees.

>>133623531
>Still impossible for Mojave or Sahara
Why?

>>133619728
Something I've always wondered...
If you literally built a manmade mountain in the desert... would it collect water via the clouds like other mountains do and turn it into streams?

>>133619728
Redpill me on sand.
Why are deserts made of beach sand? Is it possible to turn that yellow sand into normal soil?

>>133623699
>"They [Christians] must feel that there is a dark, evil power present that they have to fight, which…will make them more extreme. We also believe that when a church burns it's not only Christians who suffer, but people in general. Imagine a beautiful old stave church...what happens when it burns? The Christians feel despair, God's house is destroyed and ordinary people will suffer from grief because something beautiful was destroyed. So you end up spreading grief and despair, which is a good thing."
>- Euronymous
Varg was doing the Lord's work, even if he denies his true name (Kristian) and doesn't realize there is only true God. Euronymous was a thoroughly evil person.

>>133619728
You can't change how much sunlight an area gets, but you can definitely change ground cover and re-plant trees, which decreases soil erosion and moderates daily temperatures.

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>>133623455
I am home, Jamal Valezquez. Can you say the same?

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>>133620025
Sand >< Earth

>>133623929
read the thread nigger >>133623067

yes its possible but you need extreme amounts of water and shit (by "and shit" i seriously mean sewer solids, excrement, feces, waste, not 'n shiiiiet)

now we already have the water, hell we have liters of water just randomly falling from the skies, figure out a way to put water into the desert and then you can have something

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>>133623929
It's coarse and irritating and it gets everywhere. Sand hate thread when?!?!

>>133621505
Burkina Faso did it big time under Sankara, and Israel still does it big time.

>>133622439
A good portion got absolutely buttfucked by Britain's navy at the time.

>>133619728
Didn't that Ausie hippy tree fucker Geoff Lawton already do something like this in some muzzie infested middle eastern shit hole several years ago?

>>133620841
Underrated

>>133619728
If you can create artificial rivers running trough stategic locations (which will cost tons and need heavy machinery to do) as well as airdrop seeds around it is very possible

>>133623531
A small project still makes a difference.

>>133619728

Yes.

Check this out: https://youtu.be/eK0nEV5dWBA

I have a good sized property in the desert. I'm outfitting it with drought tolerant evergreens and pines. They provide lots of shade, allowing grass and other plants to grow.

>>133619728
https://youtu.be/keQUqRg2qZ0

>>133624164
My Anglo ancestors were being born on this continent two hundred years before your Belgium was erected.

>>133624686
And my ancestors have been living here for tens of thousands of years before your ancestors decided tax evasion constituted nation building.

>>133624376
and a storm.

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I can grow anything in the desert.

Pic related, fucking apples. Harvesting soon!

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>>133619728
yes.

but it would take generations.

you would start by planting ground cover weeds that can seed in sand specifically.
not grass because it doesn't ever really die.

the idea is you wait generations of decay of these shrubs which slowly adds "dirt" to the sand, basically topsoil. These plants have very deep root systems and when the plant is dead and gone its a good environment for other plants to spread their roots thru (rather than straight sand)

>>133619728
Yes just plant more trees

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>>133620025
this claim is as ridiculous as the earth being flat and stationary.

>>133624885
Kek

>>133619728
https://unitedwithisrael.org/israeli-olive-trees-can-make-the-deserts-bloom/

Israeli researchers found that olive trees are effective at combating desertification and can reverse it over time

>>133625171
but you haven't changed the climate?
desert is too arid for large scale forestation.
fucking canadians.

Any biome can turn into a rainforest all it has to do is transform into a rainforest.

>>133619728 (OP)

Anything is possible with water which is what they don't have in the desert.

>>133624885

Your little country is an artificial fake buffer area between the UK, France and Germany.

The Dutch speaking north Flanders belongs to Holland. The French speaking South belongs to France.

>>133619728
Deserts don't exsist because they are deforested they are he result of geography which limits rainfall in a particular area

Most deserts can be extremely fertile if you are willing to pay for the water infrastructure to irrigate it

>>133624885
We decided tax evasion justified secession and rebellion. Winning the rebellion and establishing a government constituted nation building.

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Growing le weed in the desert.

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>>133625536
I said plants that can specifically grow in sand.

youre not gonna have a dessert of sugar maples.

but you can have a dessert of pecies that can store water like camels

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>>133626033

I'm drought conditioning a Japanese maple in the desert.

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>>133619728
To be honest I am thinking about it all the time!

I even have an ideas, but no people interested in them.

Anyone want to hear them?

>>133625972
>>133626280
You're growing shit in a pot you dumb cunt.

No one have ever denied that sunlight is good for plants.

>>133619728
There's been some examples of introducing herd animals to the edge of the desert and migrating them around typical of natural herd movement, the shitting and tramping of the ground actually promotes growth of plant life. Their feeding and manure that naturally drops in the natural process of maintaining the herd animals provides opportunity for growth and has been shown to retreat the edges of deserts.

>>133625972
Make it legal to grow pot in Mojave Desert.
Potheads will terraform that shit in a few short months, guaranteed.

>>133626556
It's drought conditioning. Needs to have the soil cool until established. Once they outgrow their pots they can stay in soil and take the abuse with limited water.

You start off by keeping them in pots, first keep in shade, next move into filtered sun (longest process). After that they can stay in full sun.

>>133626394
Let's have it

>>133620483
1) plant more trees
2) paint your roofs and the rocks on top of mountains white

Not kidding about #2 - it helps increase albedo. It is being tested in the andes atm.

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>>133619728
Yes. It can happen due to shifts in geology or if humans diligently grow plants in the desert.

>>133624376
RIP European sea power

>>133626556
Growing a tropical giant yucca in soil next to desert sages. It can even tolerate frost.

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>>133626937
Ok, then:

-Many deserts are close to the water
-Salt water ; (
-Build a 'USA style concrete Highway' - pic related
-It goes from the ocean to the desert
-It goes slightly down as it is going into a desert
-Pomp water on to the construction
-Salt Water is flowing down, inside the desert
-Sun is heatinh up water
-Water evaporates
-Salt stays at the construcion
-Capture vapour with glass/plexy covering construction
-Let fresh water drop on a desert
-Plant seeds
-Desert is now covered in plants.

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>>133627385
Forgot to add pic.

>>133623067
>you need animals to shit all over the place
Mudshits will finally be useful

>>133619728
Yes

There's something very appealing on a deep level about this idea, its something I've thought about ever since I read Dune as a kid

Yes. It's so simple. Permaculture

>>133627642
Well first of concret does not last very long when ot comes in contact with saltwater so after 10 years you would have spent as much on repairs as you would have on just building the stupid contraption

I have hade similar ideas tho

https://youtu.be/ycLbO02lb7w

>>133619728
Technically, yes.

Desertification occurs because the plant life on the periphery of the desert disappears ( usually due to overgrazing of cattle of Human action). The plants previously supported the ecosystem by giving up water through transpiration that then rained back down on the area maintaining its ability to support plant life.
Without the plants, water does not enter into the natural cycle, and the rains cease, creating arid and desert conditions.

So in theory, adding plants into a region on the periphery of a desert and watering them by human action could reverse the process, and creep ever more into the desert as the plants kickstart the water cycle again, brining back rain

However, desertification generally occurs where the breed of humans are stupid.
See: The Sahal region in Africa, and How Aboriginal Australians turned Australia into the hellhole that it is today

Were one to attempt reverse desertification in an area dominated by a more intelligent breed of human beings, it could be done.

>>133627642
If we could make desalination plants cheaper, you could just pump waster from a desalination plant into the desert

>>133627935
Well I guess Saudis can handle the cost.

10 years of water could change micro climate as well, so I think it is worth a try.

How could we make it happen? Who should we contact?

>>133628100
The problem is IF and also cheaper.

It is cheaper than bottled water, but it will not be cheap as free water from the river. My idea would cut the cost massively.

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>>133627642
That's not a bad idea.

Saltwater aqueducts that don't actually empty into the desert but instead provide condensation runoff.

That is similar to a survival technique I have seen.

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>>133619728

That would require Terraforming Technology. Which could be made from Geo-Engineering/Warfare Technology.

[KB's Archives: http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/]

The Sand could also be used to create Islands & artificial Land Bridges.

>>133627935
Also it is on the columns so you can just remove the top part.

https://youtu.be/2xcZS7arcgk

>>133628332
Imagine Saudi Arabia making 200 of those, one by one "raining" fresh water every day.

In their climate it would produce a jungle, a paradise.

They have nothing better to do with their dollars anyway.

>>133627642
Like Roman aqueducts. Good idea. Then just have a truck that goes around scraping up all the salt, and sell it in gourmet cooking shops.

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>>133628638
Exactly.

It would be cheap to build, easy to maintain, cheap to demolish if broken, cheap to replace and would work on solar energy.

If some faggot just steal my idea and make billion off it I will not even be mad.

>>133627655
Outdated farming equipment repurposed

>>133620841

Include me in the /r/4chan screencap can you title it "Nazi destroys Spain"?

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>>133625681
"Remember kids, crime is legal so long as you kill all the law enforcement that comes to arrest you."
No wonder you guys have problems with niggers. They're just following your example.
At least we knew what to do with our niggers when they misbehaved.

>>133619728
Yes import beavers and release them near a stream.

>>133620483
Plant tress. Allow nature to return. Cold is good for whites.

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>>133628100
>If we could make desalination plants cheaper
>>133628314
>>133628332
fully scaleable.
Just build a shitton of these. The concept is

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>>133619728
You don't need or want it to be cooler you just need it to be wet. The pic is of 100+ year old technology that did not catch on because of oil, the panel focuses the sun on the pipe and heats it up and produces energy instead of needing energy to process the salt water. Put tidal pumps and the entire process is a net positive to the energy grid, they don't do this because it would lower food and energy costs to the point of being close to permanent scarcity.

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There is a desert near Mecca, convince king to make it into a jungle. He will pay any money and make it happen, it will help to develop technology and make it cheaper.

>>133629803
Yes, but make it loooong and let the water drip off along the construction. Artificial rain all day on a desert would work wonders.

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>>133619728
Yeah people do it all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBLZmwlPa8A

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>>133629993
You could just stop the goat herding.

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>>133629326
Plz be bait

>>133620483
It's mostly trees and then some geoengineering to create more natural water springs.

>>133630234
I would have thought to use irrigation channels.
In any case, as long as you have a handful of people paid to opan and close a few valves, (or get them remote-controlled by computers if you are ok with the cost and waste of technology in a third-world place) you can literally irrigate the whole sahara if you make enough of these.

Imagine if you can, luscious forests with gazelles and shit roaming where before there was only sand.

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>>133619728
>flag
eheheh fucking incapable mudslime

>>133630321
Those rivers are going from nowhere to nowhere meaning they used to have water once a year when the rain came.

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>>133628565
>They have nothing better to do with their dollars anyway
Aside from trying to Islamify western culture, at least.
But yes, I can picture several 1000km long aqueducts with dense vegetation lining each side and attracting animals that then shit up the surrounding area.

>>133629803
This is exactly what I had in mind, except in aqueduct form

>>133629908
On a larger scale, this technique is also used to produce energy. Two birds with one stone.

>>133630524
>This is exactly what I had in mind, except in aqueduct form

My concept feeds the aqueduct if you build enough, but yeah.

>>133630466
>>133630524

The real question is how do we make it happen.

I can give away that idea free of charge, but I would like to see it happening.
There must be a company that would like to do it, but I don't know the names.

>>133625536
The climate doesn't just depend on the longitude and latitude you retard. Just look at Africa to see how much of an impact on the climate deforestation has

>>133629993
Create artificial aqueducts that bring in sea water. at first start at 10 feet inland, then add another 10 feet and so on untill it reaches as far as you want it to go.

then plant some trees that can surivie in salt water environments. then wait for it to turn to a swamp, then add some trees that can surive in swamp enviroment. Then add some artifical mountains and hills to collect fog then it turns into a jungle.

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>>133630727
Desalinaze water, make reservoirs, plant trees, done.
Soon enough it will be cheap.

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Can you all imagine of the axis had won ww2? This shit would already have been in place for decades. The Sahara not-a-desert-anymore could be feeding the whole world with grain and vegetables.

>>133630890
But won't it just trap water and let it vaporise straight to the air without watering plants?

>>133631001
That's fucking retarded.

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>>133630485
It would have been a greener place. The rivers would have created a much more stable ecosystem.

>>133631001
Atlantropa would not have been a good idea.

>>133621978
>>133624220
>>133625386
This is pretty commonly accepted fact, guys.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_climate_cycles

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>>133631012
Create a micro climate.
It's not like the Sauds don't have the money for some mountain blowing and the contacts for the best climate scientists.

>>133630727
The main problem is that it is needed most in shitskin countries, and they are the least likely to implement it in a meaningful way, or maintain it even if they do build it.

I think Australia would be the most likely to benefit from this idea. Do any of you upside-down friends know any powerful tree-huggers?

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>>133619728
With enough water anywhere can become a woodland.

>>133631325
>mountain blowing

That is a good idea, just make water stay inside of a mountain, then use pipes to distribute it where you need it.

>>133619728
Great question, my dear saracen, I wonder if it is more of a /sci thread, but anyway here are my 2 cents: It can be done using hydroponics and the zeer pot principle. You'll need an abundant supply of water because in the dessert it evaporates faster, so, I'd go for a desalinization device+pumps+solar paner+automatic hydroponics+zeer coolers and call it Babylon gardens 2.0

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>>133631128
>>133631208
Free land and nigger control. If their economic situation improved over time,why would they leave for Europe?

>retarded
...at least explain why you think that.

>>133631487
>tree-huggers
Those faggots would block this to save some beetle or something.

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>>133631577
It would create giant desert.

>>133631577
it would destroy many cities on the coast around the world, its one of the biggest shipping lanes in the world, it could be a target by terrorist that could flood all of europe, it could destroy fish stocks.

>>133631487
>Do any of you upside-down friends know any powerful tree-huggers?

>4chan
>friends

If I knew any people I would be already implementing that idea, problem is I don't know anyone.

>>133631726
>aral sea picture
Anon... that's not remotely the same situation.

>>133631820
It would harm a few coastal trade routes, but then you can just build the ports at the new shoreline and dig channels. No-one ever advocated COMPLETELY draining the Med.

Anyway I gtg, but ill leave the thread open to see what you all come up with. Good luck anons!

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>>133631487
>>133630812
>>133630524
>>133630466
>>133630321
I will create some renders overnight and start a new thread tomorrow. With a bit of luck we can make it reality. Would be awesome.

>>133621864
this sounds to good to be true. Someone should research this further, i'm just a neet.

>>133632932
The Middle East used to be pretty green before the goat herders moved in.

>>133619728
it would need water, bacteria, and a fuckton of compost. Get some PF changs and get started.

>>133632496
If you use my solar desalination idea, please call it Project RA.

>>133630327
you love being edgy, huh?

>>133633456
They should trade the goats for alpacas or some other less-erosive animal...

>>133624376
Literally a fucking storm won that battle. And then the English played it off like it was brilliant execution by it's admirals and divine intervention.

I suppose the divine intervention part actually holds some fucking weight because if it wasn't for that epic storm England would be speaking Spanish today.

>>133632496
There might be a happening brewing, so if the thread doesn't stick then try again on a slow news day.

>>133619728
yeah just place one block of dirt on top of the and grow saplings, use bone meal to grow faster

Is it possible? Yeah, but it's expensive as shit. You need to constantly be monitoring it and working on it for it to work. The Sahara was once green, now it's not. A pole shift and another ice age would do the trick but that also means parts of the world go but crazy cold again.