Not having a unified EU airforce is one of the most stupid things

Nobody is interested in your LARP refugee containment army hans

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>>133598979
Some countries like Poland even fly equipment from the Soviet Union such as the Su-22!!!

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>>133599080
Go back eating fish, fishhead.

>>133598979
Our whole military is broke as fuck. Understaffed, not properly equipped or trained. Yesterday the government stopped all recruiting and training for the military.

EU military will be a total disaster. You had a chance when the UK was included but they were smart and choose their own path.

>>133599156
>Some countries like Poland even fly equipment from the Soviet Union such as the Su-22!!!
it's cheap and sturdy - perfect for mopping up insurgents if any show up

>>133598979
Maybe they should just be part of Russia, for the greater good.

>>133599308
>EU military will be a total disaster.
Not if it is well funded.

Think about it. How much money do you have for your airforce? How much for your navy. What if the Netherlands only focused itself on one of these two branches instead of both. How much money would you then have for that branch?

You guys have 87 F-16s, right? And you are buying F-35s, right? How about you keep on using the F-16s and not buy the F-35s and develop a new pan-European jet fighter together with France and Germany?

Or better even, you transfer the responsibility for air superiority and air battles to the EU military.

>>133599357
You also fly the Mig-29 and the F-16. So essentially, you are dependent on both Russia and the US equally.

Personally I think it is a bad decision to fly equipment from two world powers who do have a history of not liking each other.

>>133598979
European countries are more loosely bound than US states and don't have US arms industry dick quite so far up their asses.

>>133599510
>transfer air superiority to the EU military
yes, that can only go well hans

>>133598979
>Not having a unified EU airforce is one of the most stupid things
Get fucked frau Merkel. The acceptance of any EU militaristic force is the nail in the coffin for the creation of the neo-german empire. Creating a system where countries rely and contribute to a joint readiness force completely eliminates any notions of exit from the EU. Why exactly would it be a priority of the EU to compete with US military capability?

>>133598979
This deluded piece of shit again.
You are supporting your own enslavement, imbecile.

>>133599614
but its way better and way cheaper than anything we can currently produce, if you have an idea of a cheap, that includes maintanance, fighter that can compeat with us/russia, china, then im all for it, but surrendering your air sovereingty no matter how insignificent, is a very bad decision.

>>133599614
m8 we can maintain soviet gear ourselves it's western hardwear that makes us dependent on foreigners

>>133599510
The Netherlands is already sharing air defense with Belgium.

>if we combine our airforces into a single airforce (under my control of course :^)) then we will somehow have more modern planes to fight the nasty Russians!
Get fucked

>>133599927
see, the brit gets it

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>>133599927
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

lol....

>>133599080
fpbp

What language would they even speak to each other in?

None of the eastern euro countries can speak english well and the french would NEVER speak english

>>133598979
I'm not going to pay for other country's protection. Dutchland will do jusf fine without your cuck army which will have different rules to abide by and will be ruled by corrupt retards. No thanks and fuck off

>>133598979

Germany could propose structural reforms to EU military procurement to make it not suck. But that would require admitting that Germany runs the house, and the average normie German still connotes leadership with being a Nazi.

>>133598979
>>133599156
>>133599241
>>133599510
>>133599614
Did Merkel slap you with her tits and give you a concussion?
We have enough Eucracy as it is.

>>133599510
How about you transfer some more of those shekels over to the EU apparatchiks who will use your money to fill your country with hostile foreigners

>>133598979
Airbus-Sanfran is literally a satan-tier corporation. They make Boeing look like benevolent altruists. You Germans should shut down these French conmen or at the very least force them to not rip you off at every turn.

>>133599510
The EU is notoriously corrupt with money

>>133600071
why german of course, and while we are at it, they are going to fly german colors, and german everything, next step why dont we drop the pretense and start calling it german military.

>>133600085
>Germany could propose structural reforms to EU military procurement to make it not suck. But that would require admitting that Germany runs the house
The entire proposition for the existence of such a force, to regulation of said force, to utilization would all be dictated by Germany. Everyone knows this.

>>133600071
>What language would they even speak to each other in?
Arabic.

>>133600071
English is the defacto standard for commercial pilots. I know military is different then civilian, but its not a big stretch.

>>133600185
You mean why not call it Mohammad and Jamal's rescue squad. Saving "women and children" at every turn.

>>133599510
>plan was massively flawed
>bu-bu-bu-but anon, you never gave me massive amounts of your money to test it
>tfw this is the reason why everyone hates jewmoney but jewmoney can't see it.

>>133599510
>how about you give us all your stuff and we'll "protect" you?

We fell for this meme a long time ago Hans

Who the fuck is going to invade Europe? You have enough planes between all of your countries. Plus there is nato. Also, let's be real here. If Russia decided to invade you Ehud have the full support of the U.S. and Britain's military. Everyone just needs too pay their fair share for NATO. You'll save a lot more money just doing that.

>>133600231

I don't disagree, but Germans are still terrified of leading anything. Given the disastrous outcomes in the World Wars due to German leadership, maybe the normies have this one right.

>>133599510
>Not if it is well funded
German military is 4th or 5th best funded military or something, doesn't help it much as it's rated well below ours.

>>133598979

It is true, if they are all unified it is easier to set the european air force from any other and destroy it.

>>133600153
>no source
Enligthen me about the marvellous airbus

>>133600338
damn dude, my sides

>>133600359
This. And you can't even drink with germans. 3 rounds in and they start about ww2 and nazis and how they're sorry.

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>join the glorious EU Navy
>just like the roman days
>spend your military career scooping niggers out of the med
Bravo.

>>133598979
This retarded German again.

Look, it doesn't work like this. We have Airbus, they have boeing.
Airbus was basically founded by governments, and now look where they are.
The EU is a failed project how ever you look at it.

>>133600083
Our airforce is incapable of wiping it's own ass. Not that I want an eu airforce, just saying

>Germany wanting another army they control spread out all over Europe

Well, you're consistent, Fritz, I'll give you that.

>>133598979
>fleets
>aircraft

Correct terminology or fuck right off, you cunts.

>>133600568
lol

>>133600483
>Given the disastrous outcomes in the World Wars due to German leadership
wew

We don't want the EU to have a military PERIOD
Any EU military would be German led. There are camps in Germany.....again. Germany is looking to become THE economic power of Europe.....again. Germany.....again. We're not doing this a 3rd fucking time. If the EU attempts to build an army, we should kick Germany's shit in. Not all f the EU, just Germany. Drop a nuke on Brussels or at the very least clusterbomb the fuck out of them before they draft all those fucking Muslims into their military in return for citizenship.

>>133598979
How about we let the Russians bomb the shit out of Germany and France. Then we can be the camp guards.
>tfw making Hans build you luxurious cars and well made electrical tools for free

>>133600661
It is. A collection of aircraft is called a fleet.

>>133598979
It works if you only think of border defense. When it comes to foreign policy noone wants to share their manpower abroad for sonething they not agree to.
You would have to castrate national parliaments and with this esentially abolish nations in the EU to Marke it work.

>>133600712

World War I
>"Hey let's poke through Belgium to get at France, Britain will never react"

World War II
>"Hey let's let the whole British Army escape on civilian watercraft while we chillax outside of Dunkirk for a bit"

German """leadership"""

>>133600661

>flag
Confirmed retard

>>133600681
It's not funny. I have business partners there and can't refuse to drink with them and every time I have to control myself as to not grab the pitcher and start whacking them over their heads.

>>133600895
You forgot

>"lets get into a personal pissing match between Hitler and Stalin in the middle of winter

and

>"lets spend half our resources on complex propaganda weapons that are finicky and hardly work right.

>>133600895
alright, I thought you were referring to something else.

I like to think that Hitler spared them at Dunkirk because he thought the English would come around.

>>133601114

No, germans are just a bunch of losers.

>>133598979
That air force already exists. It's called America. Eat fuck.

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AEW, Strategic airlift, Inflight refueling, EW, ASW, and ISR should all be handled by joint NATO partnerships. Fighters and attack aircraft should be operated independently.

It works for the NATO E-3 Sentry. Proofs me wrong.

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>>133601114
It had absolutely nothing to do with the German Panzer divisions getting lost and losing contact with each other because they were out of comm range.

Of course it was all just "good will" on old uncle Adolf's part.

Economical gains are the goto justification for the EU to deceive the people, even if it actually harms the economy like the euro.

This is, of course, about building more of a EU superstate, in this case the army, and people should be discussing if they want a EU that is similar to the USA or not.

People also need to realize that, as soon as the EU has an army, you can't leave the EU anymore without a war.

>>133601397
I said I like to think, not that's what happened

>>133601467
Will these planes be actual aircraft that can go up 40,000 feet or will they be made of cardboard to match the broomstick guns you currently use?

>>133601731
I like to think of Henry Cavill holding me in his arms as we make sweet passionate love to eachother.

>>133601114
You rally are a mong have you ever heard of the battle of the Marne? , well if not let me educate you its 1914 the whole entente force is in retreat and it looks like the Germans will reach paris by the end of the week if they keep marching. The soldiers of the German army are tired worn out and low on supplies but they are ordered to carry on, however when they reached the allied positions due to there shoddy state they got butchered and forced to retreat to there own defensive postilions thus setting up the stalemate of trench warfare. Hitler stopped to refit his Panzers because he didn't want another battle of the Marne that and Goering assured him that the Luftwaffe could whipe them out on the beaches

>>133599510
You're not getting our nukes Kraut

It's always Germany and Belgium who make these threads. Germany should have stayed as West and East Germany, and Belgium shouldn't exist.

Fuck off you disgusting EU Army kike.

>>133598979
> Nearly 40% of the EU airforce is Russian or American made.

Not a problem at all. Pic you posted is a problem. Why waste fuckton money on development of modern craft, when you can buy it from America and save money you would spend on development

>>133600071
Krauts controlling an "eu army" totally isn't a way for krauts to have nukes legally

>>133602009
>Why waste fuckton money on development of modern craft
R&D shekels for the economical elite

>>133598979

wtf is Dutchland?

>>133598979?
how come every german is a eu shill, jesus i used to think it was a maymay but every single cuckhans on pol is eu shill and want a eu superstate.
Hope ahmed and muhammed slaugther all of you godless, culture- and valueless swines.

there is no such thing as honour and pride in germany

>>133598979
Ready against what? The EU and the US are allies and a fight between two major atomic powers will not happen anytime soon.

The EU should try to fix their economic problems before they focus on their 4th reich army.

>>133601932
>You're not getting our nukes Kraut
Oh yes they Croissant.

>>133602009
>when you can buy it from America and save money you would spend on development
You are arguing from the pov of a small, unimportant country, which the EU is not.
If the EU is to be a global player, it needs to have its own military industry.

we have so good experience in building aircrafts together in the EU that this aircraft will be released while the rest on earth got some low orbit aircrafts or have space shuttles for traveling ...

See

Eurofighter
A400M
and some more ...

>>133601885
Hitler bypassed Paris altogether, cutting through straight to the sea and cutting the French front in half

>>133599812
The Swedish Gripen comes to mind. Hungary and Czechia fly it for a reason - it is cheap, but capable. Even stinking Brazil wants it.

>>133599080

>refugee containment army

kek'd
I don't think Mehmet here speaks about containing the mudslime horde. He's talking about preventing the coming Russian purge of the Euro-Caliphate.

>>133598979
Oh gosh please be a fake, the eurofighter project was so awful and we don't really need to replace the rafale...

>>133600359
Brits should not be discussing this subject. You are buying F-35s (yes, buhhh hu, end manufacturing is in the UK... but who cares, it is still an American made fighter with American made software) and is not in the EU any more.

Not your problem, not your fight.

>>133600467
It worked well. You are just then told by the victors that it was a bad idea.

>>133602291
Do you honestly think we're going to allow the EU to militarise on our doorstep?

You honestly think that? Bahahahahahaha, see you on the battlefield Heinz Ketchup bin Saur Kraut the Twentieth.

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>>133602291
lol

is the A400M fixed yet? should be good eventually

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>>133598979

Fuck that!! So that merkel can use V4's air resource to pickup and deliver shitskins straight from Africa?

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>>133599510

> well funded

>>133600501
>German military is 4th or 5th best funded military or something, doesn't help it much as it's rated well below ours.
I do not believe the German military is rated below the Polish military. Not even Poland would claim that. Especially not the Polish airforce.

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>>133598979
>EU: 454 Eurofighters


Austria was overcharged for expenses that included lobbying and alleged kickbacks

Austria is seeking as much as 1.1 billion euros ($1.16 billion) from Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH and its main shareholder, Airbus Group SE, after a probe concluded the companies deceived the government in a 2003 purchase of fighter jets.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-16/austria-says-eurofighter-deal-cost-1-2-billion-in-damages


>self-locking Nut 29000 € per piece
>o3.54 inch rubber seals 14554 € per piece
>110 Washers o1.6 inch for 123757 Euro

http://www.stern.de/digital/technik/eurofighter-streit--nach-bestechungen-hat-oesterreich-genug-7347298.html
>>133599614
>you are dependent on US
Fuck you Fritz

>>133602505
>Brits should not be discussing this subject.
Actually we should be discussing this and we will be and you know what else? We're going to stop you from arming up..

So suck on it, suck deep and slow and savour every bit of my throbbing british cock you little bitch slut.

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>>133598979
Don't you all Euro faggots participate in Joint Strike Fighter program? Soon everybody will be flying F-35's and countries outside of program probably will join it too. Why do you worry so much? Father US will take care of you.

>>133598979
Just another German scam to force something on EU countries and feed their industry and budget exploiting others.

>>133602548
Who you again? You guys even have an army?

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>>133598979
Of course you'd want that (((Kraut)))

>>133600727
>We don't want the EU to have a military PERIOD
>American flag

We know America hates a strong Europe. You do not have to remind us all the time.

>>133602548

kek fucked with you once, can do it all the way again, just for the fun

>>133602551

It looks great, still a shit load of problems, specially the engines and probably not useable as they thought, so they think about to buy some c-130 kek

>>133598979

If the EU is accepting of anybody, why do they need an army?

>>133600851
We never asked you to join the EU, Croatia. Never. Now to do not pretend you joined against your will just 2 years ago.

>>133602645
>Joins the Eurovision
>Thinks it's the EU
Keep your beak out of this fight you little shit, when we need your pathetic "men" to be cannon fodder again, we'll call on you.

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>>133602309
I know that m8 i'm just saying it was the reason he stopped cause he saw what happened in ww1 and he went 'lol no thx'

>>133600658

so pure, so innocent, so selfless

but who, who?

Hans, Hans, Hans!

The EU is Germany's 3rd attempt to conquer Europe, albeit this time through diplomacy and economics instead of the usual brutal military conquest and occupation.

>>133602551

Cheese cock? WTF is cheese cock?

>>133598979
Russian planes ain't that shit though.

>>133602680
We ripped you apart twice and we will do it a third time and a fourth time and a fifth time and as many fucking times as it takes to ensure that you my little doggy, you learn your fucking place.

>>133598979
Norwegian F-16s... nice

>>133602744
This Hebrew friend knows what's up.

>>133602175
They want their 4th reich. Btw how is it in Norway going when it comes to the EU? Our Swiss politicans try to pass a law so that Switzerland has to automatically adopt EU right in many areas and the best thing is the EU will be able to enforces sanctions on us if we're not willing to adopt some rights....oh well our politicans call it not sanctions but "Ausgleichungsmassnahmen" meaning
compensatory measures.
So yeah, i don't know how things are going on your end but things look pretty bad in Switzerland

>>133601301
>It's called America.
There are 12 American fighter jets deployed to Germany. 12. They are all F-16s. They are on rotation for the Syrian shitwar.

Ok lad, whatever you want to believe.

>>133602778
kek how much F35s you buy now?
50? 52?

And some P8s ...

oh boys that breaks your neck

Oh look it's a fucking kraut jerking off to EU army.

>>133602744
>>133602812

geopolitics says political organisms have a tendency to want to secure and control its near area.

>>133598979
The EU needs to be disbanded

>>133598979
Having such a military power would lead to you guys taking everything over. But this time as the far left

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>>133598979
Get a load of this fucking nazi.

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>>133602551
>one cunt wolf pack

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>>133602680
i don't think there's any Herc replacement in the pipeline and no more C-17s left so it could become bigger over time once the issues are fixed

>>133599241
damn that was savage

>>133602751
It's what people with unmutilated penises get if they don't wash their dick properly.

>>133603089
we had the c-160 for over 40 - 50 years

>> france - ger cooperation btw

was a very good AC, like a tractor but could handle the shit.

I must admit I recently saw my first live C-17 fucking nice AC

>>133600483
Almost alone against the world and they almost won..

>>133598979
Merkel plz go.

>>133599510
>Not if it is well funded.

So it will remain a disaster. Fuck off to /k/ you idiot child. The EU needs money for rapefugee gibs and faces zero military threats from anyone.

The only reason it buys equipment is to tag along on UN missions it still requires US airlift to accomplish.

You prove you are yung and therefore stupid because you count fighters and ignore power projection. Oh, wait, so do the rest of the EUrotards?

Tankers, C4ISR, and airlift make a modern air force.

You have no wars to fight and every Euro you piss away on toys is less for your infrastructure your new brown masters need.

The problem these days is

1. No more experience in wars or conflicts

2. bureaucracy, costs so much money, that on the end there is nothing left for the material (best modern example is Norway by the way)
compared to Finland, Norway has more officers and less material than Finland and is much more expensive

>>133598979
the germans contribute cargo bays that can be used to import shit skins

the french contribute a landing computer that can receive directions from enemy control centers in order to make surrendering more efficient.

>>133601114
>I like to think that Hitler spared them at Dunkirk because he thought the English would come around.

You are fucking stupid. Piss on what you would LIKE to think. "Meyer" Goring said the Luftwaffe could destroy the evacuation without ground forces. Meanwhile the Wehrmacht generals wanted to consolidate to avoid a breakout.

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>>133603663

>>133602247
never to be on par with the US.

Europe already has NATO for defense, and it worked fine to contain the Soviets.

An EU military won't be defensive, so why hand Germany the command structure? It's a plot to crush Bong and French defense industries in behalf of Germany.

>>133599156
That plane works great for kebab removal, the only application I can think of when it comes to the eternal kraut(istan)

God I fucking hate German posters, they are literally all EU cucks.

We should have wiped them from the face of the fucking earth when we had the chance but noooooo, Roosevelt wouldn't share the toys.

Churchill wanted to drop a nuke on Berlin, it would have fixed Europe.

>>133598979
I don't want to fight wars for other EU countries.

>>133604562
>Churchill wanted to drop a nuke on Berlin, it would have fixed Europe.
If Hitler would have won Europe would not be in this mess. Live in your illusion while Europe gets killed slowly.

>>133602624
>Don't you all Euro faggots participate in Joint Strike Fighter program?

Not really, it is an expensive meme fighter. It was designed back in 1998 and 20 years later, it still is only minimally operational. Only Brits (who are not European), Norwegians (who are essentially our Arab oilnegroes), the Dutch (who always do what the Brits say to piss Germany off) and the Danes (who are just weird) fly the shitty F-35 here.

Oh and Italians... but they are so poor, they can only afford a few dozen.

>>133598979
Germany is more of a threat to Europe than Russia.

So, what is the final solution to the german question?

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>>133602619
>We're going to stop you from arming up.

Last I checked you just fell over without a fight at the first day of Brexit negotiations with the EU.

You can't even stop negroes entering your country illegally through France.

>>133602568
>V4's air resource
What air resources are you talking about? The V4 are dirt poor. They are the Mexico of Europe. We get their hookers, criminals and lowly paid workers.

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>>133598979

>>133604709
>he ACTUALLY BELIEVES Hitler would have been a good leader

Lmao that autistic, drugged up sperg couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery.

For a man who believed that only the superior race could prevail it was pretty funny to see his army of aryans get anally destroyed by a bunch of inbred slavs fighting with outdated weapons and shovels.

All you people know is how to destroy, for that reason you must be destroyed. Thankfully you're doing that yourself without any of our help.

Kill yourself now, die with dignity.

>>133604882
>So, what is the final solution to the german question?
A united federal Europe with an elected European president (elected by number of votes).

>>133598979
The reason we don't want unified anything because nobody trusts you fuckers.

I'd be totally down with a united EU army if German leadership weren't literal whores of Satan.

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>>133604985
>Still believing the muuuh Hitler race supremacy myth
>Le Based Soviets have beaten germany on their own xDDD
>Reddit spacing

I can not wait to slaughter lolbetarians like you.

>>133605035
We need to round up all of you fucks and export you to turkey.

>>133605138
>We need to round up all of you fucks and export you to turkey.

Croatia again. How many people voted to join the EU in your country? You can't even claim that you didn't know what you got yourself into, as you literally joined yesterday.

Unified EU

Its not about states inside the EU anymore, its all about business. All the regulations done for the EU was only to make it easier to do business within the EU. Every decision that is made, comes direct from EU lobbyists.

FFS people get your shit together!

>>133605035
>A united federal Europe with an elected European president (elected by number of votes).
Yes Goy all of Europe or even the whole world controlled by a few people is the best for everyone. Everything will be (((democratic))).

>>133605116
He also said the British Empire was great and admired the British people.

He then completely changed his opinion and sperged out because we wouldn't work with him. The man was all over the place, probably off his tits on amphetamines, he didn't know what was going on.

Enjoy

The

Reddit

Spacing

You'll grow up one day and get out of the edgy Hitler phase.

>>133605196
Touche. That's what happens when all of media is owned by ((foreign conglomerates))

>create unified european army
>now need approval from 26 other countries to secure uranium deposits
how about no

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>>133605296
>He then completely changed his opinion and sperged out because we wouldn't work with him.
You had a chance with Mosley but threw it away for the kike puppet Chuchill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vMypCinkRk
>Believing the drug myth
Reddit was a mistake

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>>133598979
>German controlled EU military
What are you gonna force all the other countries to use Broomstick's as their standard issue rifle as well?

>>133598979
Pull the other one, you just want a the military power to step on member states that disobey.

>>133605480
we already bought all country's that disobey

look we do it like the jews now

>>133605418
Yeah that's the other thing.
Germans aren't really concerned with military capability as nothing would make them happier than being conquered by hairy manly mustachioed Turkmen.
They want a unified army so that they can sell their Mattel tier shit.

>>133602373
If it's so capable, then why are it's only notable export successes due to bribery?

>>133598979
>Dutchland

Give back the bicycle Hans, you are drunk.

>>133605554
>>133605418

>> Use monkey countrys to join EU and army
>> Buy cheap ass plastic rifle
>> let others die for your war

I cant see any problems here.

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Finnish Air Force WW2, Fiat G52 with a ratio victory/loss of 33/1.

No, thank you.

>>133605662
You're thinking of finngolia. Patria and nokia, bro. No matter how much ((they)) constantly rate them with really low corruption index.

lmao yuropes are pathetic!

>>133602373
>Even stinking Brazil wants it.
Nevermind that every pilot was rooting for the Rafale

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>>133598979
>Russian stealth bombers
hey bnd, why dont you clutch your pearls a little harder

>EU is a fascist political system, and we need to make sure it has weapons

I've got no skin in the game here. but I'm not wrong, and its kinda hard to justify.

Ofcourse, united Europan army.
And who would be in lead? Ofcourse a kraut.

No thanks.

>>133600071
What language do you think they speak during joint training ops?
Most young people here speak English on a communicable level, and
airforce pilots aren't the bottom of the barrel.
Still, I do not think a single EU military is a good idea as it will be the same as it was in the Soviet Union:
Our guys will get sent to Spain or somewhere equally far, while a bunch of Frenchmen/Germans get deployed here.
You claim increased security, I claim that it makes easier to pull out military assets out of "undefendable" Baltics.
OP is right that Baltics individually are too small for Jet fighters. We could try making a Baltic Airforce, but I feel that it won't work.
The option I see that best benefits Baltics is giving money(Fuel, ammo, maintenance) to Poland for them to guard our airspace, as they at least are are interested in trying to stop a hypothetical advance as fast as possible.

>>133598979
Another alliance, the EU, NATO? For what purpose? Bulling Russia.

No thanks.

>>133598979
Your idea is sound on paper but the problem is that the union is dominated politically and economically by Germany and their willingness to defend the continent is questionable at best.

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>>133598979
ah I see, Europeans aren't afraid enough of terror after they even imported millions of terrorists. but they still managed to cuck the UK harder then anywhere else on earth, what kind of post orwelian nightmare can we expect from the EU after these people fear legitimately fear a terrorist attack on the way to work? what kind of madness can the government pursue? it will be interesting to see, from the outside... I hope.

And what would be a purpose of such army?

To not let countries leave great German dominated (((democratic))) union. Yeah no we have our expiriences with allies helping us out from evil regime in 1968 and we don't want that shit to happen again.

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>>133598979
>giving the EU power over military hardware so they can flex at the UK and bully France into staying.

>>133602505
>Britain should not be discussing Germany assembling a military superpower on its doorstep

>>133598979
Had you just deported all non-Europeans from your country and from Europe, then maybe more countries would be willing to have a military with you.

Especially now that you would literally use this miltitary to force mass immigration on weaker countries.

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>>133598979
>developing new eurofighter to replace the current ones
>mfw we're still flying MiG-21's

>>133602848
those 12 jets could destroy your entire military faggot

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>>133598979
>eurofighter
the joke is real

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>>133605249
If your people are stupid enough to buy into German propaganda, then it is fate that your country ends up in the new European Federation.

Also, we received about 250,000 Croats since you joined the EU. Some parts of your country must now be visibly empty.

http://www.total-croatia-news.com/lifestyle/19807-parents-cried-when-i-was-leaving-for-germany-they-knew-i-would-not-return-soon

“I came to Germany, but I did not have any support. There was a lot of tears, a lot of weeping, but I was fortunate to live with my aunt for the first year. I met a German guy with whom I currently live in the beautiful village of Hübingen near the town of Montabaur. He is a wonderful man; I am like a daughter to him. When I was leaving now for Croatia, they said ‘Go home, but come home again.’ I see how much Germans are willing to help. I think Croats do not like Germans because they believe that they are cold, but they are just reserved, they love their privacy. But they also love life, food, travel, and long walks in nature,” explains Ivana and adds that Germans mature very early, so they leave their parents at age 20. By age 30, they like to have their own home and a car, and by the age of 50, they organise their lives so they can start travelling. She has noticed that many couples do not have children, perhaps because they like a less stressful life.

“The system in Germany works, it protects the worker. Every month I get 200 euros for a baby. If you are a single parent, you get an additional 180 euros from the state. It is also impossible for a parent to avoid paying the child's subsistence. The only problem is the high price of apartments. In the village where I live, apartments are 450-500 euros a month. I think I would never have succeeded in Germany if I did not have met Peter,” she says.

>>133606600
>those 12 jets could destroy your entire military faggot
They can't even take off with our permission. Also, if we shout down the burger deliver service to American bases, they starve to death within 24 hours.

>>133606038
>Your idea is sound on paper but the problem is that the union is dominated politically and economically by Germany and their willingness to defend the continent is questionable at best.

Germany is willing and capable of defending Europe.

The problem are the Greeks, Bulgarians and Italians who let in all the illegals. If you look on a map, Germany is very far away from the entry points of the illegals.

We are paying billions to 3rd world countries so that they keep the illegals away... just because countries like Greece are incapable of protecting their borders.

>>133606692
>They can't even take off with our permission.
yes, because that would be such an issue were a conflict to start. And those bases are stocked with months worth of food.
>t. armyfag

>>133606692
>they cant take off without out permission

hehe, they ask you to sign a bit of paper everytime they take off so you don't feel as much like cucks, what you don't know is the paper is a formality and the guy signing it, if he ever stopped, they would replace him with a swede to show you what a cuck really looks like

>>133606834
>incapable of protecting their borders
You mean not allowed and punished if they do.

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>>133605696
I am shocked, shocked by the ignorance portrayed by the Dutch on this board.

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>>133598979
>Eternal Krauts
When will you understand EU doesn't exist out of your perverted fantasies ?

There's only nations. And the only good thing that could happens is the invasion by us of your country. And we make it again.

>>133606936
>You mean not allowed and punished if they do.
Not by us. Italy was fined 15,000 euros by the ECHR because they didn't follow procedures for pushbacks in 2012. The ECHR is not part of the EU and 15k is ridiculously cheap. Most countries regularly ignore the shithole that is the ECHR.

>>133606868
>And those bases are stocked with months worth of food.
Not burgers.

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>>133604806
>F-35
>shitty

Nice meme mate. Sorry, but this fighter is the face of future air combat and the pinnacle of the US engineering. I still can't believe they actually are letting anybody but them to use that plane, it's such a generous gift of cutting edge tech, but you all just vehemently shit on it and reject it? WTF? You really don't deserve to the US allies.

It's like you want to get rolled over by Russia or something.

Before anybody will start sperging about aerodynamics, DOGFIGHTING is a dead meme. Now it decided by who have the best radars, countermeasures, jammers and rockets.

>>133607135
>and the pinnacle of the US engineering
It is more a lemon than a pineapple.

Today's Germany is a threat to humanity and we should wipe them out.

>>133607285
There's a short list of countries that can develop a fighter worth a damn, Hans, and you aren't on it.

>>133599156
This is bullshit, but I believe it.

>>133599748
>Underrated post

>>133607494
They still use it. It's modernised and it wasnt a bad airplane after all.

Althought the poles have more jets in active service than Germans. Mostly F16s

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>>133607135
>DOGFIGHTING is a dead meme
Every single time someone has said this, they've been proven wrong.

>>133607285
The problem is that we let too many cooks in the kitchen. It should have been a 100% American in-house project with none of the bullshit European (((advisers))) being involved. You guys haven't fought a war in nearly a century, the fuck do you know about it?

>>133607494
I believe the syrian jet the US shot down in syria was a SU-22

>>133599080
>containment army
I think you mean recruitment program. Guaranteed with in 5 years, Goymany/the (((EU))) will start offering migrants citizenship for military service. The Jews want a solid base of trained radicalized Muslims to kill the goyim.

>>133604985
>Inbred slavs

>First cantilever monoplane with retractable undercarriage
>First functional and combat effective rocket artillery system
>Stronk Tanks that outnumbered mechanically potatoed German shitheaps 5 to 1
>First satellite in orbit
>First man in space

Whatever faggot, your brain is spent after the effort it takes a tailles inbred jew owned monkey like you to stir your fucking tea in the morning.

Go back to worshipping reality tv and the swedes you feckless, chinless cunt.

>>133607062
>Not by us
Not openly. And, all criticisms you have should be directed at your glorious leader. She invited them in the first place.

>>133599156
which are used for training and Aerobatics, they are simply cheaper and sturdier than any "training" jets which are utter shit and a money hole.

>>133607922
>Not openly.
Again, not by us.

>>133607922
>And, all criticisms you have should be directed at your glorious leader. She invited them in the first place.
She invited no one. You are talking about August 2015. A million were let through by Italy and Greece and Bulgaria between 2012 and August 2015 already.

Also, if you believe your neighbor somehow indirectly invites people to a party at your house, are you somehow obliged to open the door for all the negroes who come to the non-existing party?

Interestingly enough, Italy has to take care of most of the illegals it lets in.

>>133608386
>Also, if you believe your neighbor somehow indirectly invites people to a party at your house, are you somehow obliged to open the door for all the negroes who come to the non-existing party?
No. You tape a note to your door with that neighbor's address aka let them through to germany and sweidstan

>>133607670
>Althought the poles have more jets in active service than Germans. Mostly F16s

Germany
125 Typhoon (plus 18 on order)
35 T-38 trainers
85 Tornados

vs.

Poland
48 F-16s
12 MiG29s
18 SU-22s

Germany's military budget is 40 billion euros with a target of 65 billion euros in 2025 (close to 2% as per the Wales NATO agreement of 2014). We also subsidize other EU countries with 30 billion each year, which e.g. pays for Poland's military.

Poland gets 15 billion euro each year from the EU. It's military budget is around 8 billion euro in 2017.

You can't even compare these militaries. Poland is way below the German capabilities.

>>133607414
>There's a short list of countries that can develop a fighter worth a damn, Hans, and you aren't on it.

Sweden is on it, idiot. Even Japan and South Korea.

Unlike America, we have a functioning high tech manufacturing base. This is why we can develop a fighter jet within a reasonable timeframe and budget... and you are stuck with the F-35... 20 years into the program, you got 70 "operational" F-35s at 9 times the original cost projection.

>>133608317
>cheaper and sturdier than any "training" jets
The T-38 is used by Americans to train jet pilots for a reason. Germany uses it too.

We had MiG-29s from the GDR... we gifted them all to America for target practice, because they were such shit fighters.

>>133608823
>Unlike America, we have a functioning high tech manufacturing base.
Doesnt matter, your people will never support it, post-ww2 indoctrination has given you and japan a case of Gun Shy honestly...I'm not saying that means you're gonna get genocided tomorrow or some meme shit, but it does mean your average german has NO will for that development, and no pride in it if it succeeded

>>133608514
>No. You tape a note to your door with that neighbor's address aka let them through to germany and sweidstan
And I just said, Italy is taking care of most of the 600,000 illegals it let into the EU in the last 4 years. Funny, isn't it?

Also, of the illegals that come into Italy, most want to go on to France and the UK, not so much Germany. We have literally no Nigerian or Guinean or Niger community, France and the UK have. Look it up.

>>133607135
>A Russian defending probably the worst plane US has made so far

>>133609043
>Doesnt matter, your people will never support it

Unlike Americans, our people have no say in military things. What Merkel says goes. You vote for Merkel, not fighter jets.

>>133608823
>Sweden
The Gripen is a piece of garbage, only corrupt 3rd world shitholes have ordered it so far and I don't see this changing.
>This is why we can develop a fighter jet within a reasonable timeframe and budget
Lol, none of the "European" aircraft projects have been anywhere close to competently handled. The EF-2000 can't do ground attack and was hamstrung by every nation wanting their own slice of the pie, dragging out development and setting the project back years after the British had done most of the work already.

>>133609269
>The Gripen is a piece of garbage, only corrupt 3rd world shitholes have ordered it so far and I don't see this changing.

It is still in use and actually on par with the F-35 in terms of sales abroad. Funny, isn't it?

>>133609269
>Lol, none of the "European" aircraft projects have been anywhere close to competently handled.
And yet, we got aircraft projects and a high tech sector. When did America order the last jet program? Looks to me to be the F-35 in the mid-90s and we all know what happened.

>>133607135
>DOGFIGHTING is a dead meme
>"I don't know shit about modern warfare: The Post."

>>133607733
>Every single time someone has said this, they've been proven wrong.
But have they possessed such a range of sophisticated ECM, radars and precise missiles? Literally every recent shotdown was by beyond visual range. Hell, remember how Turkey shot down Su-24, they launched missile around 5-7 kilometres away from the target and squarely hit it.

>>133609524
>It is still in use and actually on par with the F-35 in terms of sales abroad. Funny, isn't it?
No, It isn't. The F-35 has been ordered by 11 countries so far ( And a few more like Belgium and Canada that will likely end up buying them despite opening up competitions to other countries). 5 Export nations for the Gripen. And most of these are third world shitholes that SAAB paid off.

>And yet, we got aircraft projects and a high tech sector. When did America order the last jet program? Looks to me to be the F-35 in the mid-90s and we all know what happened.
We have at least three in development now. You have work copied over from the Brits which you actively made worse.

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>>133609582
>Literally every recent shotdown was by beyond visual range

most of "modern" air-to-air kills were some F-16/F-22 vs MiG-15 in some fucking desert

>Su-24

It's a bomber. That Sukhoi couldnt do shit anyway against interceptor.


But I thing you're trolling with retardness.

>>133610180
my phone betrayed me
fucking reddit spacing

>>133610222
Use clover, you dumb Slav.

>>133610180
See, even old gen already plays by new rules. 5th gen will be even more tilted toward that.

What difference would make if it was Su-35 instead of Su-24M? Some impressive air show manoeuvre that will shake-off missile from its tail or something? And then it will boost to sanic levels, close up with roach F-16 and shoot them down from the cannon? No, it will just fire a missile and fuck off back to base.

>>133607135
>dogfighting is a dead meme

do you unironically believe war is elegant?

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>>133610062
>No, It isn't. The F-35 has been ordered by 11 countries so far ( And a few more like Belgium and Canada that will likely end up buying them despite opening up competitions to other countries). 5 Export nations for the Gripen. And most of these are third world shitholes that SAAB paid off.

Look at the stats.

F-35:
138 UK
90 Italy
37 Dutchland
72 Australia
0 Canada
27 Denmark
52 Norway
100 Turkey
75 Israel (paid for by America)
12 Singapore
42 Japan
40 South Korea

Then we look at the Gripen
108 Brazil
14 Czechia
14 Hungary
26 South Africa
18 Thailand

Now let's look at competitions the Gripen entered:
Poland - the Polish defense vice-minister said the Gripen was the best option, but the F-16 was pushed on Poland for political reasons

Norway: the Gripen was considered the most suitable option for Norway from a military and budget perspective, but political pressure on Norway from the US made it go for the F-35

Dutchland: On 13 January 2009, NRC Handelsblad claimed that, according to Swedish sources, Saab had offered to deliver 85 Gripens for €4.8 billion to the Dutch Air Force, about 3 billion euro cheaper than budgeted for the 37 F-35.

Austria is now evaluating the Gripen again... after bribery accusations for the Typhoon 15 years ago - the Gripen outperformed the Typhoon and the F-16 during the early 2000s selection. For Switzerland, the Gripen is a favorite in its renewal of its arsenal.

Slovakia is about to replace its MiGs with Gripen. Indonesia and Phillipines are looking to buy Gripen. India is still a potential customer after the Rafale is now considered too expensive for India. Finland is looking into the Gripen for 2021 decision. Croatia is looking into the Gripen to replace its 1950s style MiG21s. Bulgaria is looking into the Gripen. Colombia too.

If there is one fighter jet which is an absolute export hit, it is the Gripen. The F-35 is pretty much too expensive and too shitty for most airforces.

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>>133610891
>What difference would make if it was Su-35 instead of Su-24M?

In THAT situation - no difference. They just didnt expect that attack - there was no war with Turkey, and both countries were against ISIS.

But in wartime maneuverability is big deal. See, Buk missile has 75kg warhead and it require explosion not further than 6m away from jet to destroy it.
US AIM-120 has 15-17kg warhead. Now do the math - it requires almost direct hit. You can dodge incomming missile even if opposit jet is stealthy as fuck. Not fact that you will make it, but chance is pretty fucking high. Proved by Afghan (by soviet pilots agains stingers) Vietnam (by US AF against S-75)

>boost to sanic levels, close up with roach F-16 and shoot them down from the cannon?
>close range means cannon range

No, close range is about 10km, when you can use missiles with heatseeker. They couldnt be detected by opposite jet. And yeah, you also can use cannon, but that's pretty hardcore.

>>133611615
No, it's natural for war to be somewhat chaotic, especially when there are lots of figures moving around. But I also believe that modern weaponry is too destructive and effective when they are unleashed in their full potential.

>>133611754
You said the F-35 and Gripen are "on par". How the fuck does outselling the Gripen over 3 to 1 make it "on par", even by your inaccurate numbers?

>>133609172
>implying Merkel will do it if the people dont want it when shes that big of a fence rider with no real vision
Your view of Mama Merkel rebuilding your power is comical beyond all belief...when you can present a fiery Hitler-esque leader again, I'll believe it

>>133612528
He's implying those sales are coming from ((())) related pressure

Maybe they are? Either way, Merkel is 0% likely to lift one finger towards actually doing the OP so its not relevant until you guys get real leadership again

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>>133612933
>>133613200
>back2back

wew

>>133598979

eurofigther ? hahahahaha

>>133612933
Mama Merkel committed to 2% of GDP by 2025 and she is doing everything she can to get there. Fighter jets, drone programs, new tanks, new rifles, an increase by 20% of troop levels etc.

>>133601301
So just another oppressor for actual white countries? Fuck off, mutt.

>>133598979

go read some real geopolitical papers from thukidides dear hans

nobody will fight for EU

we prefer surrender to enemy than fight your war, Hans

>>133600071
Why the frogs hate english so much?

>>133603059
Fuck off furfag.

Name a single joint project that isn't utter shit

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>they don't fly burger

>>133598979
EU countries should completely dismantle their militaries immediately so the muzzies will have nothing when they eventually take over the EU.

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>>133598979
Why have that when you can have SAAB 39 Griffin?

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>>133611754
>75 Israel (paid for by America)
the fuck, why?

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>>133614960
>Name a single joint project that isn't utter shit
The MILAN was a good project. Jointly funded by Germany and France.

>>133615459
In case you missed the memo, USA is a colony run by Israel.

>>133614372
2% of GDP is still gonna be really small relatively compared to America at our 3ish% because of the macrosize of our economy

I'm sure your argument will invoke efficiency (and rightfully so, thats a german thing), but none of that matters to America, we solve all of our problems by just throwing endless amounts of money at it, its literally how we shaped (i wont say won and invoke that debate) WW1 and 2
>throw endless amounts of money at the conflict until the Germans are weakened and then just zerg rush the shit out of them)

So it shouldn't be a surprise we do that now for everything from guns to fighters

>>133615832
>2% of GDP is still gonna be really small relatively compared to America at our 3ish% because of the macrosize of our economy

We do not have to pay for Israel, so it is quite a lot. If France also pays 2% and Italy too, then it is quite something.

>>133602817
Norway has voted no twice to join EU. I dont think there Will be a 3rd vote but there Are rumours the socialists wants to do a 3rd vote.

Farmers in Norway Are millionaires and thy Are the biggest group fighting against EU. Without them we would be piss poor EU shit country.

With the oil prices plummeting i fear there Will be discussions about EU again. But i am confident Norwegians Will vote no again if there is ever a 3rd vote.

>>133606834
If Germany doesn't want the migrants, why does it give generous amounts of welfare to them, thus encouraging more of them to come? Why not spend that money to secure your borders like some Eastern European countries have?

>>133598979
become a country or don't stop fucking pussy-footing around you European faggots. It's taken about fifteen years for Germany to stand up to its natural leadership role in your Union, and you're still not grasping it

>>133616217
>If Germany doesn't want the migrants, why does it give generous amounts of welfare to them, thus encouraging more of them to come?

Because international law governing refugees and people from warzones says you have to give the exact same goodies you give to your own citizens to those people.

This was drafted by Americans after WW2 and Germany was pressured to adopt these laws. They were supposed to lure people over to Germany from the Soviet Union.

>>133616217
>Why not spend that money to secure your borders like some Eastern European countries have?

We pay 30 billion to Southern and Eastern European countries. That amount of money was, among other things, supposed to make sure that they secure the borders and process all illegals' asylum requests. For 20 years the system worked, then Greece went bankrupt and France, the UK and the US bombed Gaddafi. Now we are in the shit we are in.

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>>133599156
Germany flew the MiG-29 for the longest time, your point?

>>133614960
Embraer KC-390

>>133616446
>Germany flew the MiG-29 for the longest time, your point?
>longest time...
>gifted to Poland for 1 Euro... the "superior" Polish airforce is still using them...
East Germany (DDR) bought 20 MiG-29A and 4 MiG-29UB two seaters just before the all of the Berlin Wall, for the Luftstreitkräfte der NVA (East German Air Force). They entered service in 1988 and 1989. After the German reunification in October 1990 these MiGs were integrated into the Luftwaffe, made NATO-compatible and stationed on Laage Fliegerhorst, with Luftwaffe Jagdgeschwader JG73 “Steinhoff”.

It soon turned out that claims of the MiG-29 being superior to Western fighter jets in some areas were right – for example the Helmet Mounted Weapons Sight (HMS) – a technology the US Air Force and Navy didn’t have operational before 2003 – or the dogfight capability and manoeuvrability, especially at slow speed. The MiG-29 demonstrated it’s ability impressively during joint US – German dissimilar air combat training. But we’ll have a closer look at that below.

In 2003 22 MiG-29s were sold to the Polish Air Force for a symbolic 1 EUR per Fulcrum, 14 were taken into service with the 41. elt after an overhauled. Of the remaining two German MiGs, one had crashed after a pilot’s fault, and one (the 29+03) is on display at Laage-Rostock airport.

>>133598979
arent you bored with promoting the european army mohamad?

>>133615961
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Check the numbers, even if Italy and France got behind it (lol at that notion)

You'd get up to what, maybe 125-175 billion a year? And all the added cost from the joint EU bureaucracy (dont even tell me it wont exist)

We're at 600 billion a year, even if 50% was PURE waste, it'd still be almost double, but hey it might be enough to make you formidable

Good luck getting "I AM JUPITER" Macron to agree to that without putting him in the drivers seat
>tfw to be powerful again Germans will have to get cucked by the French
What an ironic turn of events

>>133598979
Yeah, the last time we gave our army into your hands to command them worked really well...

Germans should be limited to knives and sticks when it comes to army. Stop pushing your Führerin's new plans

>>133616445
>international law governing refugees
The international laws that force Germany into such a self-destructive situation should be ignored. Following a laws that ensure your own destruction is just stupid.

>>133616817
>You'd get up to what, maybe 125-175 billion a year?
The Eurozone GDP is 13 trillion dollars. 2% of that is 260 billion.

Enough for me, I guess. We don't need 5000 nukes on ICBMs or 10 nuclear aircraft carriers. 1000 nukes on ICBMS and 4 nuclear aircraft carriers are fine.

>>133617129
>The international laws that force Germany into such a self-destructive situation should be ignored. Following a laws that ensure your own destruction is just stupid.

Dude, you didn't ignore international laws when the Cubans kept on coming. You let them all in. Now look at Southern Florida.

>>133604970
>They are the Mexico of Europe
Chill out, Chill out, Spain is the official Mexico of Europe.

>>133598979
Europe has far bigger problems on the ground than in the air.

>>133617483
>Chill out, Chill out, Spain is the official Mexico of Europe.

I haven't seen a Spanish hooker here in Germany... ever. And Spanish criminals in Germany? Nada, nothing. The Spaniards we get are typically college grads who want to earn some money for a few years in Germany, then return to Spain to go on living their laid back lives.

>>133617316
At least the Cubans that came here were vehemently anti-communist and hard working.

The Hatians on the other hand...

>>133617512
>Europe has far bigger problems on the ground than in the air.
I do not think so.

Europe has a shitton of tanks and armored personnel cars. And quite a large number of infantry soldiers and equipment, artillery etc.

But we got no cohesive airforce.

We also got no cohesive navy or marines, which is the second problem we face. Germany needs to start an aircraft carrier building program to base the new jet fighters on.

>>133617633
You still took them in and didn't deport them back.

At least we are trying to deport our illegals. But it is real hard. The African countries do not want their citizens back, as they send a shitton of money back to their relatives. And Afghanistan cooperates, but it is still hard to send them down there. Iraq and Syria will be interesting deportation destinations once ISIS is defeated. Unfortunately, our government hates Assad for no reason.

>>133602544
>worked well
>oh we leveled your second biggest city for your own good, you should be thankful :)
germans are so fucking stupid

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>Nearly 40% of the EU airforce is Russian or American made.
So only 40% of the "EU" airforce is worth anything, huh?

>>133598979
Wouldn't it be better to have a Unified World Air Force For Earth? The Counsil could eliminate terrorists, rebels and dissidents faster and with less resources than ever before. UWAFFE will keep the weak safe and spread peace world wide.

>>133600727
>Not all f the EU, just Germany. Drop a nuke on Brussels
Brussels isn't in Germany

but drop a nuke on them too, fuck the EU and fuck the kraut who started this thread

AFAIK Germany and France are going toward an unified Air force

t. working in FAF

>>133604905
Just a moment ago I found a 50year old newspaper where they criticized reducing the Bundeswehr to just 400.000 from 460.000 troops.

How the Zeitgeist changes, damn.

>>133623214
It's the hormones from the chicken and russian rapebabies. You remember how the 1st gen in germany after ww2 was, on average' 4 inches taller?

>>133598979

We won't provide our superior airplane technology to your shitty engineers

Remember when Germany used to be the leading in aviation? Remember when Germany used to be the first nation with a jet engine aircraft?

It's sad that a country like fucking Japan is producing a fifth generation fighter jet when it doesn't even have an army. Yet, Yurup dumps millions of shekels to infidels fighting against them at HOME!

>>133598979
hang yourself

>>133623214
200 attack drones are worth more than 200,000 infantry troopers. Let us build the attack drones.

>>133598979

>Not having a unified EU airforce is one of the most stupid things

Do you know why it should not be unified? Because it will be controlled by unaccountable Eurocrats who will start unnecessary wars and do more harm and also intimidate any EU country that doesn't follow their orders.

Each European country should manage their own army and air force and work together only when necessary.

Also EU airforce = German controlled puppet. So very bad idea.

>>133599510
>Not if it is well funded.
Literally Saudi level thinking.

>>133624581
You gotta show me the attack drones that can hold an area and control civilian populations on their own.

>>133598979
DUCTH and GERMANS are already preparing an homogenization of their forces

>>133598979
Hurry up and save the sweeds

>>133599156
Looks pretty stronk to me.

>>133598979
what was the point of the eurofighter? to suck up as much money as possible?

>>133625180
Using the RAFALE without relying on the FRENCH

But it's to late for a futur EUROPEAN fighter because the F35 is killing the market here

>>133598979
The EU is breaking up. There's a new EU forming and its getting all new modern equipment and doesn't have to take refugees. Multiple Countries are considering sending their migrants to Germany and steering new arrivals there as well.

>>133599623
But they do. 70% of hardware comes from US. Now some EU countries are increasing military spending, and where do those $ go? That's right, to US.

>>133598979
fuckk off EU shill cunt kill yourself

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>>133607135
Are you the same dude from /k/ who will defend this meme plane to the last comment?
It's a flying Turkey
Jack of all trades,master of none
https://youtu.be/DqaYI5VWkgE

>>133626345
supermaneuverability does not achieve much in modern air warfare senpai- any maneuver over 10g blacks out the pilot for the most part and sidewinders pull 50+gs now so it doesn't really help.

>>133607135
>0.1 usd has been deposited into your account

>>133600727
>this entire post

>>133598979

I met a poo-in-the-loo bragging about how he is working on the Euro-fighter as an Engineer (poor cheap imported 3rd world labor). The guy couldn't even figure out how to navigate the Munich Subway system...Good luck with that new fighter! kek

>>133600071
dutch ofcourse

>>133617241
Again, pretending the outer reaches of the euro zone will happily march under Mama Merkel the way you said your people would unconditionally, is pretty meme-tier hilarious

I doubt Italy would even go to 2% for you unless you promised to use said EU army to end the migrants once and for all

>>133625917
Yup, and all those "sales" to Israel we pay for? They go right back into our pocket anyway just about...its literally America buying its own shit to give away

>>133603089
>i don't think there's any Herc replacement in the pipeline
There's probably no point. It does a bunch of jobs and it does them well, like a Ford Transit of the skies.

>>133598979
Fuck off EU shill
Why is it always Germans? It's like you're trying to construct a new fourth reich using Jew tactics

>>133607733
Because it was often said back before the days of guided missiles and the silly amount of computers and sensors modern aircraft had. Before you go citing the USAF in Vietnam, go look at how well the Navy did with missiles. The USAF ended up copying the navy to unfuck its fighters.

>>133612144
Manpads and S-75s aren't the same as an A2a missile. The latest AIM-9 can pull 60Gs in a turn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g4_jzqBJnA
Check this out

>>133598979
I'd rather uncuck sweden and have a nordic defense. Finland took down Russia, with barely any help, just 10 000 swedes that volountered.

>>133598979
28, faggot

>>133631129
That's not how it works, dumb ass.
We spend millions, sometimes billions on these jets, send them to Israel, and then inflate our own god damned economy to pay for it.

Shut up.

>>133598979
You mean states. 27 states in the United States of Europe or the 4th Reich which ever is more easy for you to understand. Something tells me that state amount will get smaller in the next five years.

Ignoring the logistic nightmare as well. A common language is needed for an EU (USE) army or 24 hour translation team for military operations.

World Powers are America, Russia and China

everyone else will be crushed by the big three

We have the two largest air forces in the world, suck it cucks.

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>>133633097
Not so fast, Fritz!

>>133633451
>You mean states.
I mean countries. Just as the UK is made up of 4 countries, the EU is made up of 27 countries.

>>133599510
>Not if it is well funded.
Fuck off. You're not getting any more of our money Hans. Pay denbts.

>>133598979
Fucking off Merkel

>>133598979
No it's not