Brit/pol/ - Andrew Neil Edition

BBC news interviewing gay Muslim who shared gay Muslim wedding photos, he received death threats over the photos.

>>133598632
Point out a single point that is wrong. Everyone knows the poltical spectrum is a massive oversimplification on a very fluid state of thought.

Reminder that 2016 was the Goldilocks year for right-wing populism

If Brexit and Trump were any earlier, then the anger would not have manifested itself enough to secure a win

Any later, and the tidal wave of immigration and leftism would have been too much

There's no more hope, not democratically speaking.

>>133598659
Was there any Imam present at the wedding? Fail to see how they could have called it a Muslim wedding when Islam is more opposed to homosexuality than Christianity is.

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>>133598659
When do you think they'll be thrown off the Shard together?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4692644/First-gay-Muslim-married-couple-reveal-abuse-wedding.html

the axes in this are what is right

the socialists have tried to skew it by inventing terms like "progressivism " and ideas like other spectrums etc but this is genuinely the accurate one

>>133598893
>>133598720

>>133598815
it's all a gradual build up, there is no "perfect year" to do it. the worse it gets, the more people will be inclined to revolt

>>133598815
>implying brexit is inherently right-wing
>implying it's not going to get co-opted and turned into a GLOBAL BRITAIN neoliberal wet dream

>implying Trump has done or will do anything actually conservative

>>133598815
the issue with a statement like this is that it encourages us to be complacent and expect things to go the right way because "it's manifested itself" etc

it kinda undermines the extreme hard work everyone put in to getting the ball rolling

however the premise that it was a good time to do it is true

>>133598893
If you live in a traditionally liberal society and it is introducing authoritive laws you disagree with, then you are a liberal conservative.

>>133599073
you'd be a democratic liberal

are you retarded?

>>133598815
around 40% of labour voters voted for brexit

>>133598659
Islam is a totally integrated religion that has changed to fit the modern day and you're racist for pointing that out

>>133598984
>free trade means free movement

Literally only in the EU lad

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>>133599073
>then you are a liberal conservative.

>>133599073
clearly you've had too much of the old stuff last night eddie, time to hop off your phone

>>133598938
>the worse it gets, the more people will be inclined to revolt
Yeah, it happened last year

>>133598984
They might not end up being right-wing but they were essentially nationalistic - which is perhaps what is finished, rather than 'rightism'

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>>133598984
>implying Trump has done or will do anything actually conservative

uh

>>133599107
35% of SNP voters as well. It's not a left vs right issue, despite what the BBC lead you to believe.

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>>133598454
Don't feed the tripcunts, lads. It only brings more.

>>133599185
>>133599159
>>133599106
Conservative is someone who wishes to conserve.
Is brit/pol/ really this fucking retarded? Fucking look at the word you morons.

>>133599220
>Not using anonymous mode on your plugin

Pleb.

>>133599107
Next time I post it (and I fucking will) I'll change it to nationalism rather than right-wing populism

2016 was the goldilocks year for nationalistic voting

Just look at the response to terror attacks this year - 2017 is a fucking disgrace in comparison and it will only get worse

>>133599220
Can't do that from the phone.

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>>133599268
you misunderstand conservatism

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>>133599268

>>133599364
forgot my hat

>>133598454
AGAIN you got the sixth and seventh link the wrong way round

FUCKING MONG

>>133599364
It's conservation of traditional values.
If your states traditional values are libertarian then those are the values you wish to conserve.
Why am I having to teach UK flags how to speak English?

>>133599401
Bit rude tbqh fampai

>>133599450
that's traditional conservatism

>>133599401
No one reads that shit anyway

>>133599450
aka traditionalism

>>133599493
Conservatism is about conservation.
Can you at least address the points in my categorisation post and not just post a fucking political spectrum image and say I'm wrong with not further elaboration.

>>133598893
Not happy about agreeing with >smeggie but the idea that political philosophy can accurately be described with only two axes is ridiculous for several reasons
The social left/right does not in all cases properly align with social liberalism/conservatism
The economic left is not the same as economic liberalism and 'economic conservatism' in the true sense is functionally dead, and furthermore the two do not perfectly align with planned vs. market economy
Even if you managed to roll the above into only two axes you're still not accounting for nationalism/internationalism or distinctions between centralised or devolved governance or regional nationalism

idea: political alignment based on the colours from Magic: the Gathering

>>133599587

>>133599450
>If your states traditional values are libertarian then those are the values you wish to conserve.
you fundamentally misunderstand the depth of conservatism, you think it's simply "keeping what your country believes in going"

>>133599625
it's obviously not a substitute for a manifesto but it's definitely decent enough for plotting policies and parties (based on the majority of their policies)
do you have an alternative?

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>>133599625
here this is a good example

>>133599625
Add to that the fact that most of the words you use to describe the axes don't mean what they used to

>>133600053
>left right axis
Shouldn't it be something to do with social values or economics

>>133599973
That's not what I said at all, I said people fail to qualify what it is they're conserving, I merely gave traditional values of the state as an example.
Conservative means someone who wishes to conserve something, but nobody ever bothers to qualify in the politicl world, so the word has lost meaning.
Parties such as the Conservative party have been associated with free market in modern history and as such free market has been incorrectly associated with conservatism despite the obvious fact that free market is almost always destructive to the conservation of a current state.

>>133600053
>Unironically using poltical spectrum images as his entire argument
Starting to lose interest.

>>133600053
this is a ridiculous chart

>>133600053
coming across a bit degenerate here, you need to have social values and your economic values. not just im "x" or "y"

>>133600211
Again
>Conservative means someone who wishes to conserve something
is wrong

>>133600291
i'm sure you'll keep replying, faggot

>>133600312
yes, having looked further it mislabels a few things (free market liberalism) but this is part of the disinfo the left has been pushing for years

it goes like this

authoritarian
liberal - conservative
libertarian

>>133600053
Left and right is functionally meaningless today and is only used in terms of "people I don't like".
IIRC it originates from French parliament where the commons sat on the left and the Lords sat on the right, so social policy of wealth distribution that helped the common man became associated with the left of the house and wealth protection became associated with the right of the house.
Now day chopping your dick off is considered left and having a uniform fetish is considered right.
It's fucking retarded and you've destroyed all credibility in your own argument by showing your belief foundation.

>>133600495
I'll list your arguments here
>You're wrong
>faggot

I guess you win.

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BASED SARGON OF AKKAD SUPPORTS MOGG FOR PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJpiRF-qw8A

#MOGGMENTUM

>>133600509
but that's literally proven wrong by anyone looking at any politics in any real system
the left / right dichotomy is very real and very accurate
where left is liberal and right is conservative
what varies is their implementation techniques, authoritarian to libertarian
and all of this is a spectrum
it's not that hard

BAN ASSAULT BLEACH
based tories
ow I just stubbed my toe
WE NEED SKIRTING BOARD REGULATIONS

>>133600704
Ur wrong
Fagit
[spoiler]did I win?[/spoiler]

>>133600636
fuck off sargon you cuck

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>>133600758
alright lad take some deep breaths

>>133598454
>No link about the Repeal Bill

The absolute state of this board.

The Prime Minister has finally released the Repeal Bill which means we can remove all EU laws from our nation and not be overruled by an EU court, and there is no link on this board.

The state of brit/pol/

>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39266723

Include this link in next thread, you twits

>its an Eddie loses his shit thread

getting bored of these

>>133600864
the links have been shit for weeks

i'm starting to think the people making the threads are omitting worthwhile stories and news sources deliberately

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>>133600873
another classic, losing his argument so starts spouting garbage. surprised he hasn't thrown his anonymong out yet

>>133599450

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-c_conservative

Traditional values - for better or for worse - change and adapt over time or in face of new information.

>>133601004
I think it is more to do with the fact that this isn't actually a political board, it is just a shitfest with kiddy-tier politics again.

>>133600704
You're using the American meaning of 'liberal'. Stop it.

>>133601360
that's the accurate term mate, i think you're mistaking liberal with libertarian

Why is Eddie so fucking stupid?

>>133600704

I agree with this UP TO A POINT. An dthat point is when it gets prefixed with "far" or "hard". At most, realistcally, most people would be left or right LEANING.

For those unfamiliar with the TDF but express some passing interest, today's stage is going to be fucking insane, it's only 64 miles long, team sky has been caught off guard because Froome is now in 2nd place, and the organisers have put not 1, not 2, but 3 fucking mountains for them to climb in the stage.

It starts at about 1330 on itv4

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>>133600830
Did I do it wrong? I'm only following your example. Do I have to post meaningless poltical spectrum images at the same time?

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>>133598659

>mfw Islam is now being subjected to the same hypercritical scepticism that has been thrown at Christianity for two millennia and is being torn apart

>>133601491
That would be racist and bigoted you intolerant nazi.

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>>133601481
>Not waching Federer at Wimby

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>>133601459
yes there's no such thing as "extreme" liberal/conservative - more lefty disinfo to muddy everything up (something the left does best)

>>133601489
i thought you were taking deep breaths instead you were working on this, c'mon man

>>133601481
hahaha.. is this golf?

>>133601432
He's well read, smart, has served in the armed forces detecting bombs and actually has a job. You may not like him but he is probably better than you.

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>>133601554
>>133601585

>>133601585
I'm trying to learn how to better my argument methods by following your example.
I used to base my argument on knowledge and logical thought, but you've BTFO me by just stating I'm wrong and calling me a faggot.
Teach me.

>>133601491
Hopefully the Muslims will realise resistance is futile and all fuck off back to the middle east/pakistan where they can practice their luddite death cult as Muhammed intended

>>133601668
1) don't be wrong
2) don't be a faggot

could you be any slower?

>>133601692

wft I love secularism now

>>133601744
But I wasn't wrong and I'm not a faggot, but you still completely destroyed me. Do I need to start a /pol/ inforgraphic folder?

>>133601407
No. Liberal, in Britain, is traditionally an economic term, when you are clearly using it in a social sense. Using liberal, when speaking socially, is the worst kind of Americanisation,

>>133601612
>armed forces

For the British Army? I knew he was a cuck.

>>133598875
>I still believe I can be gay and muslim
so he has learnt nothing

>>133601849
This tbqh, Powell considered himself a liberal.

>77 replies

>18 by tripfaggot 1
>12 by tripfaggot 2
>4 by tripfaggot 3
>3 by tripfaggot 4
>1 by tripfaggot 5

Steerpike, as of this response you are the least faggoty of all the faggots. Congratulations.

theoretically, if I were to be chucked out of my house what would I do?
>tfw can't live in the wilderness

>>133601849
liberal is a socioeconomic term, so is conservative

>>133601809
you're the one who got hopped up on being wrong and being a faggot instead of responding to my argument

>>133601995
walk into a benefits office and walk out with a free house and about £100 a fortnight

>>133601612

>has served in the armed forces detecting bombs and actually has a job

>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

>>133601995
Where do you live? If you're <25 and in Scotland it's pretty easy to get into a hostel by telling the council you're homeless and if you're not a junkie a housing association will probably approach you pretty quickly. Not to sure how it works in England because England doesn't have a far richer country paying all its gibs.

>I want to see Dunkirk
>Looks like an actually decent Hollywood film for a change
>Can't get it out of my head that we fought on the wrong side and the sacrifices our men made were for nothing more than the financiers of international Jewry

>>133602145
Are you Scottish?

>>133602033
>my argument
How can I argue against such a post as perfect as this >>133600495.

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>>133601849
But the meaning of the word has changed now, just as the swastika is no longer associated with Buddhism, just accept it. Most people who call them selves liberals now will almost exclusively support gay marriage and multi-culturalism.

>>133602221
oh eddie will you shut the fuck up, honestly fuck off from this thread youre embarrassing yoruself

>>133602221
my final post was >>133600704
and you went off on one about being a faggot and being wrong only to return 5 minutes later with a crudley drawn spectrum of you being based and right and me being wrong and a faggot

>>133601917
Powell was liberal, but his quite interesting economic ideas were shunned and ignored when Thatcher fucked up this nation and claimed her economic theories were based on Powell's.

>>133602033
>socioeconomic
No. Liberal is a purely economic term that has been transformed into a social term because of the Americanisation of this nation.

>>133602198
I was born there but left very young, moved back for the last few years of secondary school and left again, then moved back again for a couple of years in 2012. In England now, my family is English.

>>133601491
>Christian-Muslim anti-faggot alliance when?

>>133601990
(Poor) quality over quantity
Also I'm phoneposting from work and I have actual work to be doing

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>>133601881
>I still believe I can be gay and muslim
It's like those "feminist" muslim converts. It boggles the mind.

>Visa declares war on cash with plan to pay British businesses to ban coins and notes
>Only defense is a Christian politician who named his son after a pope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lknW2mzXMMY
You ready for the mark of the beast?

>>133602326
Do you have any sources for that one?

I'm pretty certain the muddying of the terms has come from the socialisation of this country and that the American (international, not american) definitions of these terms are more accurate. Or do you just blame America because you dislike the States?

>>133602331
What school did you go to? Forgive me for being nosey :)

>>133602463
I blame America because liberal first became a social term in America, and then it became a social term here after America began to dominate the media and political world.

>>133602326
The Conservative party was far more concerned with cheap votes than economic principle. Powell seemed to portray an anarcho capitalist outlook in his economic debates (almost always when he was in a position that had nothing to do with economics and often against his own party) but did say he supported the NHS, but during his time as health minister he capped or reduced staff wages, can't remember which, which kind of indicates to me he wanted a very reduced but still active NHS.
>>133602301
Yeah, but I tried to salvage my logical and knowledge argument from the jaws of defeat by emulating you. It didn't work obviously, but in future I'll do better.

>>133602499
I went to like, 11.

>>133602620
>ask for sources
>get none
I think you're talking out of your arse, these are globally accepted political terms for certain ideologies.

>>133602667
Right. I remember a redpilled Anglo I was pals with at my school...

>>133602706
>Liberalism can be traced back to John Locke. Locke was a 17th century English philosopher and political theorist. Locke's the Two Treatises of Government is considered to be the first exposition of liberalism. ... The 19th century and the Industrial Revolution brought tension among liberals

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>>133602852
ooo it feels good

>>133602749
It wasn't me, I was a gommie retard who said he would vote libdems because everyone is shit.

>>133602033
>liberal is a socioeconomic term
Yeah nah you're talking bollocks
It may be both a social term and an economic term but the conflation of the two as if the economically liberal and the socially liberal are somehow inherently similar is fucking nonsense
Also you can't just throw the word 'socioeconomic' around in dubious context, it has quite specific applications and means literally nothing outside of those applications

>>133602627
>but did say he supported the NHS, but during his time as health minister he capped or reduced staff wages, can't remember which, which kind of indicates to me he wanted a very reduced but still active NHS.

He might have just been following party line.

Morning lads.

Nothing planned for today, might get the bus down to my Nanas.

>>133602916
Haha, fair enough.

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>>133602939
>socioeconomic
>relating to or concerned with the interaction of social and economic factors
>????

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>>133602852
>liberalism can be traced back to the 17th C
Ur rong
Fagit

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>>133603092
hey man tell that to John Locke

>>133602943
>Powell
>flowing party line
He was thrown out/left the cabinet twice, refused cabinet positions by multiple PMs and ultimately thrown out of the party for doing precisely the opposite.

>>133603069
>thinking this is at all relevant to what you were saying
Even by tripcunt standards you are obstinately stupid
Social liberalism is not the same as economic liberalism and 'liberalism' as a blanket term has absolutely nothing to do with real world interaction between the two, you're thinking of the economic justice movement which is not at all economically liberal and is only socially liberal in the context of social justice
When you use big words without knowing what you're actually saying you just make yourself look like a fucking mong lad

I suppose I shouldn't expect anything more from someone who cites wikipedia commentary as a source and thinks liberalism as a precept has only existed since it was codified as a school of political thought, as if it was dreamt up as a theoretical project like Marxism was

Is it too late for us lads?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/14/teenager-arrested-five-acid-attacks-london-90-minute-period/

Another succession of acid attacks perpetrated by teenagers trying to steal mopeds. Does anyone know how many acid attacks occurred in 1952? or 1976? 1986?

According to the Met, in 2012 there were 162, in 2016 there were 454.

>>133603759
Lad, don't argue with him. He is a master debater.

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>>133603809

All the more reason to avoid London like the plague.

All the multi-culti doing wonders for tourism.

>>133603759
>When you use big words without knowing what you're actually saying you just make yourself look like a fucking mong lad
>obstinately stupid

>cites wikipedia commentary
when?

Liberalism is a blanket term, stop pretending it isn't. Just like Conservatism is a blanket term. We then add further descriptive terms to determine what forms of liberalism/conservatism we are talking about. Both are socioeconomic. Some examples: Democratic liberalism, traditionalist conservatism, social liberalism, authoritarian conservatism etc.

>>133604117
You're just mad because you write a paragraph for me and I dispute it with less than a sentence.

>>133603809
>Starkey.jpg
The whites have become paki

>>133604379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq2bs8M9HM

posting this for clarity and because it's very accurate and should be seen

>>133602173

There aren't any token ethnic minorities in it (at least, not in the trailer) so it's probably worth seeing even if you think we were on the wrong side

>>133604300
Ur rong
Fagit

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>>133604633

>>133598823
They had to do it at a registry office because no mosque would do it

>>133598454
INVADERS OUT

>>133600053
>Liberalism
>In the top 2 boxes

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>>133601295
That's not small c conservatism. Burke espoused that idea right from the get go.

>>133604818
Lad don't! He'll destroy you!

>>133604818
>Yes
>I agree

>>133604300
>Liberalism is a blanket term
The corpse of Charles Kennedy disagrees with you

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If a person of British nationality, hypothetically, acquired a small canister of CS gas for the purpose of self-protection; and if that person used said CS gas in a genuine incident of self-defence (not goading anyone or provoking anybody)......what sort of legal repercussions could you expect (no prior convictions or involvement with police etc)??????

>>133604300
>>cites wikipedia commentary
>when?
Explain how >>133602852 is anything other than a paraphrasing of wikipedia articles on liberalism and British liberalism.

>Liberalism is a blanket term, stop pretending it isn't
I literally never claimed it wasn't, I openly acknowledged that it exists as a blanket term and pointed out that your understanding of it is fundamentally wrong
>capitalising conservatism in the context of political philosophy
Loving Every Laugh

>socioeconomic
There's that word again, being used where it's not in the least bit appropriate

>>133604898
you're embarrassing yourself edward.

>>133600053
you're severely handicapped, son

>>133604964
I've already lost all credibility when he destroyed my argument by saying "your wrong", I'm trying to protect others from making the same mistake.

>All this talk of -ism and schisms
>Not realising we live under Corporatism

ISHYGDDT

>>133605054
you're just being pedantic now, kids not even replying to you anymore. stop the salt and forget about your pathetic argument

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Who /EnglishBreakfast/ here?

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>Liberalism is a blanket term
>This book hasn't been triggering social liberals since 2003
>This book's authors haven't been busy removing leaders of their party for being the wrong kind of liberal

>>133605054
>implying you had credibility in the first place
Good joke

I think the lad's handicapped desu, he's certainly never studied political theory outside of Stefan Molyneux videos and wikipedia

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>>133604946
bump for this

>>133604942
corpses can't disagree with anybody

>>133604898
you are like a little baby

>>133604953
Wikipedia articles aren't Wikipedia commentary
>'liberalism' as a blanket term has absolutely nothing to do with real world interaction between the two
it literally does, it's a blanket term for a socioeconomic (relating to both social and economic) ideology
>getting anal about capitalising of nouns that are titles

>>133605164
>reclaiming liberalism
>this isn't a blanket term

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>>133598659

pic related is who sent them

>>133605131
I'm just adhering to my trips namesake.

>>133605054
QQ

>>133599300
Enable desktop view, then navigate to the correct area, input the data, save the cookie, switch back to mobile view

>>133604946
it's a crime straight up friend

>>133605337
>qq
what is this? 2006?

>>133604379
True. Where is our nationalist movement lads? We have Farage and Tommy but for various reasons, neither strikes a chord with most of the underclasses.
Britain First are a joke organisation, with idiots spouting stupidity (for the most part) and UKIP have a stupid name with no relevance apart from being where /arenige/ came from. When I look back at the BNP in the Griffin years when they had widespread support, a party or politician saying the same things now would likely do much better given the feeling in this country towards immigration and our loss of values. When the minorities come out to shout about the peace of Islam, they would make even greater fools of themselves than they do now. It would be national. The normies would know, perhaps we could get our country back.

tl;dr Why is there no-one to vote for.

>>133604946
1m year sin jail

>>133605476
this nation prides itself on having brilliant political theorists and campaigners

and having none of them be electable

>>133605260
>corpses can't disagree with anybody
Alright the political corpse of Tim Farron disagrees with you
>>133605260
>What is a short, eye catching title
Also not an argument

>>133605476
>We have Farage and Tommy but for various reasons, neither strikes a chord with most of the underclasses.
That's not true, Farage got fucked by FPTP

>>133605586
are you going to elaborate on how he disagrees with me or will i have to find out myself and then come back and blow you the fuck out?

>not an argument
>his entire post is not an argument

are you still mad at me for saying you denied affirmative action in this country because you are black?

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>>133605260
>Wikipedia articles aren't Wikipedia commentary
I hate to break it to you but the entirety of wikipedia is commentary, with the possible exception of page bibliographies

>socioeconomic (relating to both social and economic) ideology
It's just occurred to me that you're using 'socioeconomic' as an interchangeable stand-in for 'political'
You really are a bit thick aren't you pal

>>getting anal about capitalising of nouns that are titles
>not understanding that there is a significant and relevant difference between conservatism and Conservatism
Should've pretended it was a typo lad you'd have looked less retarded

>>133605432
how much yime could joe bloggs with no prior criminal convictions expect?

Fucking angry about all these cunts who aren't mentioning why there are so many acid attacks now and why it's geographically centralised

>>133605476
A better question is why is there an underclass in the first place

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>>133605841
>difference between conservatism and Conservatism
What?

Was TW any good yesterday?

>>133605476
People are fucking stupid and complacent
Their grandchildren will be dying from muslim car bombs and voting Labour

>>133605917
Loss of industrial jobs to automation and the 3rd world and importing millions of immigrants to do all the other low paid/manual pleb tier jobs

>>133605917
It's a necessity of a free country where people are not equal and don't have equal value. The alternative is communism

>>133606064
Good point, but who's more to blame for loss of Industry, The Politicians or the Corporations?

>>133605841
I hate to break it to you but only the left complain about wikipedia not being trustworthy, anyone can edit but it is highly monitored and there are sources for everything written, name one thing I took from wikipedia that turned out to be incorrect. You can't because all I took was the line about the creation of liberalism by John Locke, which is fact.

Here's the definition of socioeconomic for you, I have given it you once before but maybe you missed it:
relating to or concerned with the interaction of social and economic factors.

The difference between conservatism and Conservatism is again another thing that only the left care about, mostly in this country (where they use the term small c conservative to separate them from the Conservative Party) anyone who isn't a bleeding heart liberal faggot wouldn't have jumped on the size of the letter C like you did, you should've ignored it and you would have looked less retarded.

>>133605879
Up to 10 years but you'd probably just be fined and given community service or given a suspended sentence.

>>133606171
I agree with the unequal value part, but all people have equal potential

If you add milk or sugar to your coffee your probably a woofter tbqh

>>133606373
i add coffee to my milk and sugar

>>133598454
>Illegal immigrants able to enter Britain unchallenged because there are no checks at half of small ports
You realise this means that it'd be a cakewalk to secretly import arms though most of these ports right

Right?

>>133606348
I don't believe that

>>133605796
Because they lost their fucking jobs over it. Sorry for thinking you would know the most basic of politics on a politics board
>are you still mad at me for saying you denied affirmative action in this country because you are black?
Not an argument

>>133606533
>Illegal immigrants able to enter Britain unchallenged because there are no checks at half of small ports
Sounds like bullocks anyway tbqh

>>133605879
Sentenced to 2 years, out in a month and fined a grand. They'll probably want to make an example of him as well to dissuade everyone else from defending themselves with these kinds of devices. So expect a heavy handed punishment. If the general consensus is that sentencing him will stir up anti-immigrant sentiments with the public then he might get off with a verbal warning.

>danish girl stopping her own rape with pepper spray fined £50
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418751/Danish-17-year-old-girl-used-pepper-spray-fight-rapist-near-migrant-asylum-centre-told-prosecuted-carrying-weapon.html

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>>133606556
>Farron would disagree with your statement that Liberalism is a blanket term because he lost his job over it.
That's not true.

>are you still mad at me for saying you denied affirmative action in this country because you are black?
>Not an argument.
Correct, it was a question.

I bet Amber Rudd smokes crack

>>133606018
Stupid and complacent point. You suggest they should have voted Tory? A party with the exact same immigration policy? A party who mostyly campaigned against brexit?
Understand the point of the post. The tories and labour are two sides of the same shit-coin where immigration is not an issue.
The alternatives (UKIP, BF etc.) have almost zero credibility.
Again, I ask, why is there no-one to vote for?

>>133606704
I'd let her smoke my crackpipe if you get my drift.

>>133605879
>>133606641
you wouldn't get the same treatment as a foreign girl trying to stop herself being raped (who still got fined jesus christ)

>>133606637
I really wouldn't be surprised. Even truckers coming over Dover way say half the time they turn out to have illegals in the back they didn't know about, the border service just lets them run off into England

Who checks you're not carrying illegals when you pull into port of a small fishing village?

>>133603809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41LRTWJttts

>buy boat
>sail to libya
>charge africans everything they have to be transported to europe
>transport them to one of the islands in the med instead
>????
>profit in various ways

>>133606711
You're pretty fucking stupid if you think criticising Labour means I support Tory. You're part of the problem to be honest

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>>133606711
tfw it's more easy to get a party to change its political views dramatically than to elect a party that agrees with the majority of the people

>>133603809
Probably disgruntled white youth angry at our multiracial society we are lucky to have

#killallwhitemen

>>133606373
>drinking coffee

queer cunt

>>133606192
Difficult to say really. Corporations will choose to move production where it can be done cheaper, but you could argue that politicians could do more to encourage them to keep the jobs in the country.
It seems to be an inevitable aspect of globalisation. It could even be a cyclical process - our manufacturing went to the east, now China has a growing middle class and their manufacturing is starting to go to Africa.
By the time Africa has a middle class, we might be poor enough that the industry would come back here and the cycle could begin again.

>>133606684
>That's not true
Why did he lose his job then bigman?
>Correct, it was a question
A question that has nothing to do with the discussion
>>133606966
>NGO's pick them up anyway

>>133606267
That's a nice story but maybe we should recap how this actually went
You were asked for a source, quoted wikipedia without providing citation and when called out on it you've gone on a little rant about THE LEFT as if you're in a position to discredit the widely held belief that wikipedia is not considered a valid source by anyone with a functioning brain stem

You can copy/paste the definition of 'socioeconomic' as many times as you like, it doesn't change the fact that you've been using it to mean whatever the hell you want it to mean (as I said, it later became obvious you were using it as a stand-in for 'political' but I digress)

In case you weren't aware, we are in a British politics thread and are both posting from the United Kingdom. Therefore the distinction between conservatism and Conservatism is an important one. Pretending it's not because you feel a bit silly isn't going to help you. As an aside, it's not 'bleeding heart liberals' who consider the difference important. In fact they're fairly likely to deliberately conflate the two. It's most important to conservatives, for what I would expect are obvious reasons.

>>133606969
I asked what was the point in voting tory or labour when both have the same policy on immigration. Immigration is the most important issue for most Britons. The question remains, why do we have no remotely credible, national party to vote for? This is my question, thank you for wasting my time explaining this to you, retard.

>>133607164
>not drinking a strong black coffee to stay awake
What are you, well-rested and motivated?

>>133607402
I already answered your question you insufferable mong. They're stupid and complacent, and if you're the kind of brain that's working on this stuff, no fucking wonder

>>133606267
>isn't an 18th century French Republican
>think left and right are defined poltical factions
Ur rong
Fagit

>>133607182
We'll definitely have the minorities for it by then

>>133606548
I'm not saying you can take the average man off the street and train him to run as fast as Usain Bolt, but I am saying that if the average "person" puts enough hard work and effort into anything (say sprinting) then they can be in that percentile that is considered good and reap the rewards that come from that.

For me that's what sets apart the underclass, they don't believe in this and will vote for whovever guarantees the continuation and strengthening of the Welfare State. They're even against the one thing that could catapult they're class status in one Generation (Grammar Schools).

>>133607184
>bigman
I don't speak your tongue friend. He didn't lose his job for saying liberalism is a blanket term and the onus is on you to supply evidence to back up your claims.

>>133607184
I detected your hostility and wondered if it had anything to do with you being mad at me for saying you deny the existence of affirmative action in this country because you are black.

>>133607184
Yes, the NGO's are doing the same thing, charging them for transport across the med, may as well get in and scoop some profit.

>>133607318
I didn't think the citation was required as it literally comes up when you google Liberalism, you're upset because you said Liberalism (as it is understood today) was invented by the Americans because of your hatred for them.

I used the term socioeconomic in accordance with its definition, show me where I didn't.

There is no such thing as "Conservatism" as you mean it, there is conservatism/Conservatism and then there is the Conservative Party. Only the left try to conflate Conservative Party policy with Conservatism.

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Do you lads think the brexit bill will get through parliament? or is there too strong a remainer presence.

>>133607087
Yeah, I see this is the second biggest problem in our society after immigration. Depressing that both of these problems come from the same source.

>>133607519
Ok I thought you were saying "equal potential" as in everyone can become a neurosurgeon which clearly most simply don't have the aptitude for

>>133607673
I want to tell you no because we'll never get our sovereignty back, but "brexit" is such a nebulously retarded word it's almost impossible to argue against it.

>>133607681
If you had any evidence to support your claim you'd no doubt be shoving it down my throat. Go ahead, I'll wait.


>>133607673
If they could've stopped Brexit via parliamentary vote they would've done it during the last parliamentary votes. As long as the whipped Tories stay in line (looking at you Hannan) it will pass no problem thanks to the Pro-Brexit Labour MPs and the DUP.

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>>133607852

>>133607570
>He didn't lose his job for saying liberalism is a blanket term
Why are you being so deliberately thick?

>>133607880
>>133607852
>>133607872

>>133607182
Its like the egg and the chicken. I think it was the Corporations that rolled the first ball. As soon as a Business becomes a Multi National and outgrows it's home country, it will begin to put pressure on its Government and other Governments (USA im looking at you) to pursue a Multi National Agenda.

>>133607852
>If you had any evidence to support your claim you'd no doubt be shoving it down my throat
Why the fuck would the party announce stabbing their leader in the back for following the wrong kind of liberalism?

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>>133608000
>wrong kind of liberalism
>liberalism is not a blanket term
who's side are you even on?

>>133607829
Shit response to be absolutely honest senpai.

>>133607852
Yeah thats my thoughts, im just worried if labour put a whip in if the tories dont follow the 6 points or whatever, and tory rebels like soubry.

>>133608058
It's clearly not a blanket term if leaders get stabbed in the back for following the wrong branch of it. Different types of liberalism can be distinctly different from each other, but I wouldn't expect the most politically illiterate person on the whole of this American filled website to know that

>>133608159
Brexit is just a media buzzword lad, functionally we will still be subservient to EU code and (((international law)))

>>133608159
If parliament rebels against the will of the people then it just proves itself pointless.

It would trigger a collapse in the political system.

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>>133608159
By my calculations even if every remainer Conservative voted against it. It would still pass thanks to Labour and DUP. The more the Left try to scare leavers over the bill, the stronger the leavers in parliament become.

>>133608255
>not a blanket term
>following the wrong branch
>Different types of liberalism

>>133608349
They won't openly rebel, they'll dissolve enough treaties to satisfy the layman then continue to legislate laws that derive their primary legislation and authority from EU code.

>>133607570
>you said Liberalism (as it is understood today) was invented by the Americans because of your hatred for them.
I said nothing of the sort, and had you asked I probably would've referred you to classical Greece as the source of early liberalism. Kindly don't pretend that I and another anon are the same person simply for the convenience of your 'argument'.

>I used the term socioeconomic in accordance with its definition, show me where I didn't.
>>133602033
>liberal is a socioeconomic term, so is conservative
>>133604300
>socioeconomic [...] ideology
It appears as though you've fundamentally misinterpreted your own cited definition

>There is no such thing as "Conservatism" as you mean it, there is conservatism/Conservatism and then there is the Conservative Party.
Oh you're just being disingenuous with language. Have fun with that

>>133608407
Hopefully thats the case but i feel it might be very close.

>>133608407
You are the /pol/ equivalent of a Question Time heckler who shouts 'You're all the same' with a panel of Suzanne Evans, Nick Clegg, Mogg, Russell Brand, and Diane Abbot

>>133608349
Maybe before the GE yeah it would have but at this point I disagree. Tbh most people on the Leave side have been so Demoralised by the constant media process of Anti-Brexit Rhetoric that they would probably just accept it

>>133608407
>the EU can be removed from national law with a single bill
Kek, I'm glad you put on a trip. You're my favourite poster.

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Remove Acid

>>133608542
I can't believe you were right about something. He really is a rump of a person

>>133604946

few months suspended sentence minimum

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Heading into Birmingham city centre later today lads.

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>this is a funeral service in modern Britain
And people say the collapse of our society isn't hilarious.

>>133608768
I'm coming to find you

>>133608925
Did the dead guy request this?

>>133608505
My mistake was fairly certain you were the yank one. You were the one who got hopped up about Wikipedia being (or not being) an okay place to find where the concept of Liberalism came from. (Hence why I thought you were the yank poster)

Both those cases are in accordance with the definition of socioeconomic.
And your last line is proof that you're part of the lefty reddit refugees that came here post-media coverage.

>>133608538
>not an argument

>>133608542
The great repeal bill copies all of EU law into British law, I said nothing of it "removing the EU".

You and your shill gang are thoroughly rustled, keep it coming.

>>133609136
I'd imagine so, being a child.
Irrelevant as a funeral is a religious ceremony.

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>>133608768
My condolences anon, best of luck

>>133609240
I don't think you understand how delighted legislation works.

>>133609312
Delegated*

>>133608925
Spider-Man best costume

>>133608925
>>133609136
Its a fucking 6 year old kid he will of loved them. eddie tripfags are usually shit cunts but you take the fucking cake.

>>133609312
>change the subject
or you could respond to the point in hand, buddy

>>133609383

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>>133608925
get me funeral Harley, Stat

>>133609454
Delegated legislation requires primary legislation to find authority. That primary legislation is EU law, not national law, national law is the delegated legislation.
You clearly have no fucking idea what you're talking about if you think I was change the subject.

>>133609383
It's irrelevant, it's a religious ceremony.

>>133609621
the repeal bill isn't secondary mate, it's primary.

the amendments will be secondary.

>>133604946
>CS gas
It classifies a noxious liquid, even if it is for self defense it is the fact you owned an illicit substance so depending on the damage done with it

s5(1)(b) punishment; (a) Summary 6 months or a fine of the statutory maximum, or both (b) on indictment 10 years or a fine or both.

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>>133609106
I'll be the autistic looking guy

>>133604946
the only legal thing you can use in self-defence is a rape alarm
even if you picked up a rock you're facing jail time

>>133608925

>You will never fuck a spider girl/wonder woman/supergirl/bat girl slag after a child's funeral

Why even live?

>>133609678
well i tell you what, how about you kill yourself and have your "religious ceremony". And fyi these characters wont have gone into the actual church for the ceremony you spacker.

hello Bongfriends, i came from Poland to open business here in Great Britain.
Do you hate me?
Because i like you guys

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>>133609858
>beat perp to death using rape alarm
>get off with no charge

>>133609240
Yes it is, but you are too thick to understand the hidden meaning in the sentence.
>>133609803
I guessed

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>>133610000
>called thick by an african
today is a good day

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Leave.eu are pretty fucking savage

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You'd expect Guardian writers to have actual standards. Or maybe you wouldn't nowadays.

>>133609992
go back

>>133609739
>the repeal bill isn't secondary mate, it's primary.
Of course it is, I never claimed otherwise you fucking retard.
I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about...
Do you know what primary and secondary legislation is?

Primary legislation grants certain law making powers to delighted bodies, those delegated bodies then that body will legislate in accordance to the primary legislation. The problem is that thousands upon thousands of statutory instruments are present within out national law that found their primary authority from EU code.

>>133609992
no fuck off

>>133610138
Not an argument.

>>133610175

>Guardian writers
>Standards

Incompatible terms

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>>133610175
eye-wateringly brilliant...

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>>133609950
Well I never even mentioned church, but while you're pulling bollocks from your arse, I may as well BTFO it.

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>>133610167
haha holy shit

>>133610205
>The problem is that thousands upon thousands of statutory instruments are present within out national law that found their primary authority from EU code.
name some

>>133610181
>>133610214
That's really rude guys :^(
I'm not even opening a polish shop

>>133609240
>Both those cases are in accordance with the definition of socioeconomic.
No, they're really not. You have interpreted 'relating to or concerned with the interaction of social and economic factors' to mean 'literally anything to do with social policy, economic policy or instances in which the two overlap'. This is an inaccurate interpretation. Socioeconomics is a fairly specific field that is only partially related to government policy and political philosophy, and is far more concerned with naturally occurring economic and geographical factors and their interactions and formative effects on cultures, politics and local development. 'Socioeconomic ideology' is not an accepted term for anything at all, it's like saying 'meteorological ideology' or 'biological ideology'. Socioeconomic factors may influence the formation of political ideology but shoving the two words together means literally nothing, and certainly doesn't create some great category of political belief systems that can adequately describe 'liberalism' and 'conservatism'.

>your last line is proof that you're part of the lefty reddit refugees that came here post-media coverage
This is a really shitty attempt at ad hominem, it's not even close to accurate and the idea that you could in any way determine my political inclinations from this discussion is laughable

>>133610175
What's funny is seeing the French think Daft Punk are a French band despite producing all their music in the US.

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>>133609383

one born every minute. Your as bad as normie faggots on facebook.

>>133610372

Finally got through TW....
Jesus, that last faggot interview,
I wish Michael would have walked over and just punched that prat really fucking hard...

>>133610372
Do you have any idea how our legal system works?
https://cemarking.net/eu-ce-marking-directives/

>>133610465
Don't go full retard

>>133610552
>Pharrel Williams is now French

Uncensored

https://twitter.com/RealNangerz/status/885656357898268672

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>>133610436
Socioeconomics is a science.
Socioeconomic is a descriptive term.
Liberalism and Conservatism are socioeconomic belief systems.

The rest of your post is pure waffle and I have successfully determined your political inclinations. Also, you argue like a redditor.

>>133610525
>Asks you to name some
>You don't

>>133610515
Did that beeb shit work for you? I'll link it to others next time if it did. Haha he took all the anger out on those maracas.

>>133610881
Fucking hell lad, I provided you a link to EU directives. You're falling apart. I don't know why I engage with you as if you have any thought process above that of a potato.

>>133610839
It's usually done using a strong base so I don't know they call it acid attacks. Getting some acid in there would neutralise it.

>>133610839
He looks completely unhurt. Taqiyya?

>>133610985
Alkaline attack?

>>133610982
The CE directives will be moot after the great repeal bill is passed. You've got yourself worked up in a tizzy over something you don't need to be in a tizzy about.

>>133610985
Acid is scarier sounding (media)
and people are stupid (public)

>>133611089
You have literally no idea how the law works do you?
Like none whatsoever? How can I explain a car to someone who can't grasp the wheel. For fucks sake lad.

>>133611008
Probably hydrochloric acid, will burn if you leave it on a while, but it will usually just irritate for a while and is hardly damaging.Unless its in your eyes of course

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>>133598454
Once again public opinion completely trumps SJW policy, yet the language policing continues.

>>133610796
He's not in the band
(You)

did any of you anons get a webm/video of last nights BBC report on the migrants?

>>133610881
>Socioeconomics is a science.
>Socioeconomic is a descriptive term.
You don't have the first fucking clue what you're talking about. Pedantry requires at least a basic understanding of the distinctions you're trying to be anal about.
>Liberalism and Conservatism are socioeconomic belief systems.
There is no such thing as a 'socioeconomic belief system'. Stop making up phrases that sound 'sort of appropriate'.
>The rest of your post is pure waffle
You not understanding something does not make it 'pure waffle'. If you have reading difficulties, you're welcome to point out which parts you're struggling with and I'll hold your hand through them.
>I have successfully determined your political inclinations
In that case, kindly explain to me what they are
>Also, you argue like a redditor
I find that very difficult to believe, but as I do not use reddit I can't know for certain otherwise so I'll take your word for it

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>>133611234
>gets proven wrong, again
>resorts to insults, again
oh eddie just have a ciggie or something

>>133611340
>Songs in French: 0

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>>133611266
and the telegraph

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>>133611368
The only point you actually made there was
>There is no such thing as a 'socioeconomic belief system'
Which is not true, a 'socioeconomic belief system' is a belief system situated around social and economic factors, examples would be: Liberalism and Conservatism.

>>133611584
>videos in france: 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoBP24I2lwA

everyone on the left is always so depressed deep down have you ever seen a left winger smile?? Corbyn always looks like he's gonna cry

>>133611674
By your logic they're Japanese because all the videos for Discovery were done in anime.

>>133611584
This must mean Abdul down the road is British because he speaks English, eh?

>>133611089
>The CE directives will be moot after the great repeal bill is passed
Holy shit you're actually retarded aren't you
The 'great repeal bill' will not make CE directives 'moot', it copy/pastes 40 years of European law into British law with a view to potentially repealing or amending it in future
Do you actually have any understanding or politics, political philosophy, current affairs or British law at all? You do realise this is a British general thread on a politics board, right?

>>133611701
it comes from being entirely envious of what others have that you do not

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>>133611701
90% of the people here are right wing and also depressed lad.