Why shouldn't people live equally?

>>133590531
Why should they?

>>133590531
Because humans and individual/ small scale collective effort are not equal.

>>133590531
communist equality = people with different inherent worth get the same shit thus no one cares to have more inherent worth
get's the noggin joggin eh
sage

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>>133590531
Equality is a false god

Not proven possible.

>>133590531
Because people aren’t equal.

>>133590531
Perhaps they "should", at least in an ideal utopian world. But in this one, you have to enforce "equality" with violence and then you still don't get it (equality that is).

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>>133590531
What is equality? Is nature equal? Many (((academics))) would have you believe so, but those same (((academics))) use their naturally higher verbal IQ's to convince stupid white boys that genes cannot possibly have an effect on intelligence.

so the answer is no. all goyim will bow or die.

>>133590531
Because people arent equal
Some people are simply able to be more effective at work, and should be rewarded for doing things that somebody else couldn't do as effectively as they can

Needs should be communist.

Wants should be capitalists.

Libertarian UBI

Because they dont produce equally.

>>133590531
Because (2+0) / 2 = 1 is the formula of all social conflict

>>133590531
Anyone who believes this is possible has never had a job. There's always a few assholes who work as little as possible who don't deserve the same compensation as people who work harder

>>133590531
because they are not equal my poojeet brother

>>133590531
because people are not equal

>>133590531
Because humans are not made equal.

t. Mexican intellectual

>>133590531
People aren't equal but because of oppression of opportunity there should be a system that gives people equal chances to avoid that oppression.

>>133590531
why should a doctor be paid the same as a janitor when he had to learn much more valuable skills?

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>>133590875
>Comparing Sarajevo and Dresden
>comparing a muslim shithole to a European centre of culture
Great fucking job nigger

>>133590531
Because of the Pareto Principle.
Labor isn't equal and thus people who do more will feel cheated and work less, or simply drop out, which causes societal collapse.

You pretend to pay me, I pretend to work.

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In communism doctors and janitors don't earn the same ya focking retards. People earn according to their abilities

How fucking thick do you have to be to make those statments
>Hurr durrrr, human nature
>hurr durr, people aren't equal
If you want to criticize communism at least criticize it for something it actually stands for you retards

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refer here you dumb shit>>133597093

>>133597093
>People earn according to their abilities

You mean they get paid based on the demands of the market which they match with supply based on how scarce their skills are?
I think we already have a word for that, and it's not communism.

>>133590531
The question isn't why should they, it's how could they? and they can't so fuck off

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>>133590531
Because it doesn't work. You will always have some privileged class, in this case - top party members on local and government level. In USSR they had special shops and resorts just for themselves. Not to mention they were "allowed" much more than the plebs.

Also, equality of outcome is a shitty idea. It breeds mediocrity. "They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work".

>>133597177
>taking words out of context
I don;t know what I expected from a thick skulled fascist

The point of communism is not to make everyone equal by giving everyone the same compensation for different labour, that is just retarded. When people mention equality under communism, they refer to communism giving everyone an equal opportunity, not an equal paycheck retard

>>133597291
oh no, a picture, you really got me there, i fucking love fascism now

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>>133590531
Why the fuck be I want to stand in a bread line?

>>133590531

Why shouldnt we just put all the animals in the world into a zoo and feed them all the food they need so they never have to compete again? Would that improve nature?

>>133590531

Because of Evolution.

>>133597404
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

What did Karl Marx mean by this?

>>133590531
if you are implying that with comunism people would live equally you are a huge retard

Also a retard deserves the same oportunities as non retard? a cripled man deserve the same as a non cripple man? a drug addict deserves the same as a clean person?

>>133590531

>Why shouldn't people live equally?

Only the peasants live equally, while th elites will turn you into a fucking slave. What a douche. Communism has failed EVERY fucking time, but hey, lets try it again.

>>133597404
Isn't the point of communism - no government, everything is made by a robots and people just do nothing?
Before that point it's just socialism.

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>>133590531
I don't mind the idea, and I have great respect for the cooperation of ants and stuff, but it's just the getting to it that poses the problem. How do you make a society equal without forcing people to be equal?

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>>133596897
>Comparing Sarajevo and Dresden
It's comparing commie architecture to traditional architecture

>>133597404

You're fucking delusional.

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>>133590531
There is no such thing as "equality". Some people suck and drag society down, others excel. Communism tries to force human nature out of the equation with ideology and always fails inevitably, and can only rule through threat, intimidation, and murder.

>>133590531

it just doesn't work!

>outdated crap idea

>>133590531
people are faggots

communism without jews might work, but then again jews invented communism so I highly doubt it, seeing as fewry would be embedded within the very fabric of the ideology.

socialism within a homogenous ethno state works, as we have seen. japan could covert to socialism without much troubles imo, though the neets would be wiped off the earth. but is that a bad thing? really?

>>133590531
Because people aren't equal.
You think someone with a 160 iq and full of ambition should live the same lifestyle as an 80 iq slacker?

>>133597756
I think it can work, in limited groups. Like small religious communes where there's already accord. Giant societies as a whole has more problems.

>>133597093
>communism
>earn

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>>133597404
>the means of production belong to the state not the people, therefore everyone that triggers the state will lose their job
nice argument, m'comrade

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>>133590531
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>>133597870
Yeah it works on small scale communist communes. But at that point we're regressing to hunter gatherer style tribes.

>>133597404
le fascist xd
retard

It's impossible.

Life itself is competitive in nature, you see it in our habits and lifestyles, in animals and micoorganisms; we fight to survive, no matter how hard we suppress our innate desires of wanting more things, we will still inadvertently do things to lead us to obtaining more things.

Even if we somehow managed to find a method to let everyone live an equal life, someway, somehow, one person will find a way to cheat the system and get away with it, and when people find out about his success, more will follow his/her footsteps until it becomes a exponentially expanding chain reaction until it evolves into full-fledged corruption to the point where any solution to mitigate the problem will be impossible.

There's also almost no incentive to innovate and improve, people do not want to better a group or collective - only their individual desires; they will only help to better groups and collectives if it suits their own individual benefit. What motivation would a doctor, who has to go through eight to twelve years of schooling, have to improve himself and his methods if he gets the same amount of pay and incentives as a janitor or a fork lift driver who only needed a month or two of training?

Equal rights and everyone living a happy, fair lifestyle is just an unrealistic child's dream.
The closest thing we can get to such a dream is through compromise, but we will never get there.

Equality is a spook.

>>133598192
Marx and Engels called hunter gatherer tribes "primitive communists", so there might be a connection there.

>>133590531
Because people aren't equal and don't want be equal.

>>133597404
>communism giving everyone an equal opportunity
Are you fucking retarded, you communist swine?
Do you want me to take you on a trip through the academia, full of vermin like you, to show you what they think about 'equality of opportunity'?
They list it as one of the components of 'whiteness' - supremacist concept made by capitalist imperialist oppressors, made up to keep people subjugated,a to give its adherents an advantage in every walk of life.

Every single communist piece of shit waffles about 'equality of outcome' nowadays, so who are you trying to bullshit, cocksucker?

>>133590531
Cause beyond small communities it has to be pseudo nationalist to succeed, or even it is it falls if its too big after a few decades (USSR)

>>133590531
because it's the right thing to do

>>133590531
What the hell does "live equally" even mean?

Why would I want to "live equally" to someone else? I can do things in my life, they can do things in their life. Our lives are not the same. They can do X, I can do Y. I have no desire that we both "must" do X, or that we both "must" do Y.

>>133597438
>evolution predicated on struggle
>struggle more natural than any other theme
>people are products of evolution
>removing struggle is the best thing we can do for people
Yeah commies are retarded, especially the international ones. Holding hands and singing is literally the worst thing humanity could do for itself. National communism a la Stalin kind of had a chance, but then again it kept the most important social institutions. It was tribal and still somewhat hierarchical, what with the privilege of the political class. It's arguable that the latter was totally coincidental and just a product of corruption though. Either way, having a chance to not completely collapse is a far cry from prosperity.

Fascism and feudalism are the only 'human' government forms. Fascism externalities struggle generally and feudalism internalizes it, just not by design. But the embrace of the fight is what makes a system healthy. Stagnation is the only other alternative. All the most successful republican and democratic governments suffered from constant warfare and external threats. Top 3 western examples that come to mind are Rome, Great Britain (more of a mixed system but still) and the US, though the US isn't very old compared to the other two. It's a balance of course. The threat needs to be credible but not existential.

I'd imagine you could plausibly manufacture a more abstract problem to crusade against. Poverty doesn't inspire fear or awe, but if you could spin it the right way maybe that's how you'd unite people.

>>133599871
>I'd imagine you could plausibly manufacture a more abstract problem to crusade against.

Sure. There doesn't need to be conflict for struggle.

It would be pretty cool to have labor completely automated and just an entire society of scientists and philosophers struggling with discovery.

...of course we'd probably get so good at it, we'd wipe ourselves out somehow. Whether it would be the scientists or the philosophers that would be to blame is up for debate. Both are fairly reckless and dangerous people.

>>133600521
Survival-based conflict, I should say.

Because religion and other social/economic factors stop us from having shit like that

>>133590531
Because they don't work, think, achieve, contribute, relax, innovate, struggle, invest, anticipate, calculate, plan, or save equally either.

All you want is equal outcome. You see the rich guy in a sports car and think, "why don't *I* don't have such a car?". Because your IQ is 90 and you browse the Internet 5h a day.

He has an IQ of 130 and puts it to work.

You see the capitalist owner of a factory and think "why does he make $10'000 a month?" and you ignore the 10 year investment during which he had *no* return that *is* the factory that is now beginning to pay off, or not, if it turns out nobody wants his stuff. The worker in the meantime got his paycheck week after week, independent of success or failure.

>>133590531
the only equality ever achieved by communism is making everyone a slave to the Party

>>133597093
>In communism doctors and janitors don't earn the same ya focking retards.
In Cuba literally everyone had the same salary.

>>133601813
Except for taxi can drivers, who made far more than any doctor

>>133590531
Because not everyone is equal.

>>133590531
>Give everything to the government lmao :D
Nice equality senpai.
>Ozzie
Sage

>>133590531
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNMAp8kXWrc
30 seconds in.....

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>>133590531
Because we live in a reality that is unequal Anon. Everything in this universe exists at the expense of something else. Communism is unnatural. Regardless of what economic or social structure is imposed on us, humans form a hierarchy. Communism causes the death of millions by trying to enforce equality in an unequal world. Capitalism works better simply because it reflects reality better.

There is no ideology more dangerous to human progress than communism.

I am talented. I am hard working. I have marketable skills. Yeah, i fucked around and partied hard until I was 22 or so, but since then I have put in the hard work. I've woken up every day on a mission to improve myself. The simple reality is, some drunk, homeless fuck is not my equal. If you totally fuck up your life to where you are a homeless junkie well you have no value. If you live or die, it doesn't matter. What communism does is, it takes the wealth I have worked hard to accumulate and gives it to the homeless fuck up who has done nothing to earn it. If we live in a society like that, why the fuck should I ever try work hard?

The ultimate red pill is this, life isn't fair and it owes you nothing. You have to work hard and fight every day to get the life you feel you deserve. If you aren't comfortable in life, it's your fault. Either improve yourself or settle and be happy. Communism, however, absolves the lazy and talentless of their shortcomings and blames the successful in life for all their ills.

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the only true equality would be the law of the jungle, thus we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children, get blackpill'd

>>133590531
If this isn't bait, in all reality it cultivates laziness as putting more effort!=more reward. so all you get is a bunch of lazy retards that are starving.

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>>133590531
Communism will work only if some super intelligent computer algorithm or AI will govern us.
Computer doesn't know what is corrupcy.
Communism is built on advanced economics and it fails on fucking human nature.
We need remove human nature from communism and it will work.
For example...
Computers will redistribute cryptocurrencies between people with predefined algorithms.

Computer/AI will be a better ruler than a man,
can collect data from around the world and hit right where it's needed.

The only good communism is Titoism

Because I have shit I want to buy that someone else wouldn't want to buy. Instead of having a vote on what we both get, we individually buy what we want with the money we earn. Also it's rather arrogant that the government knows better on how to spend my money than myself.

Every "problem" from capitalism stems from that. Sure there are things everyone needs, but even those needs can be broken down into a million individual choices. What groceries I buy could be extremely different from what groceries another person buys. What dwelling I live in could be extremely different from what another person would live in. Attempting to bring equality in even these essential needs is a hopeless endeavor.

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>>133597093
>communism
>earn

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>>133590531
>Why shouldn't people live in a utopia?

At most a utopia can exist within the indeviduals of a civilization, which would take form in knowledge, skill, wisdom, willpower, discipline, and other qualities that make a person independent of the help of others.

The issue with socialism and communism is that it takes away the agency and independence of the indeviduals, and in turn makes them dependent on the government. This means that if the government ever becomes compromizes and/or completely corrupt, then the people dependent on the government will become its slaves.

All systems which forcefully support the weak on the shoulders of the strong are bound to become exploitative of the strong. Massive government control leads to massive risk of exploitation if the government no longer serves the interests of the people.

Finally, I want to add that every implementation of communism and socialism has lead to bad endings. It is far too great of a risk and should only be implemented if no other option is left ( like Nazi Germany after WW1 and Finland after WW2)

>>133607103
go back to Filozofski faggot

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>>133597093
LOOK AT THAT TRIGGERED COMMIE NIGGER
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>133590531
Because we are not equal

Why should I pay for your food?

>>133597510
>let's just forget all the books this dude wrote on the topic and use a single sentence as an argument

You got me there m8

>>133597093
It doesnt work you fucking idiot
"everyone works what he wants to"
Which would result that no fucking society would be able to sustain itself
No one would want to work at mcdonalds, no one would want to work at a sewage plant
Others say, with communism we dont need money
We all work for us, and we work together
Simple situation
You go into a bakery, and order one bread because you need something to eat for today
You take the bread and want to leave
Then some fat fucker comes in and wants to have 50 breads
What are you going to do now ?
It does not work, humans dont work like that
You have to restrict him to only be allowed to take 1 bread
Then you will have to introduce a system in which you know who came in today, and who already took 1 bread ( and this has to be done in every store )
People would start dressing up themselves, or sending in children to get them the bread
Which will result in the introduction of a currency based system
Which will again lead to capitalism
You cant have a system where everyone does what he wants, and takes what he needs
What someone needs is subjective to that person
One would say he needs 2 Litres of Coke a day, the other would say he needs 20
Then people will take more just to have enough at home, because they are lazy and think maybe there will be a shortage
So you would see people driving up with vans, loading in dozens of bottles of cola
And with the stereotypical left mentality ( lazy, messy, unreliable ) a shortage will come
And then people will get angry, because you would stand there in the morning, and ask for you daily bottle of coke, and the owner would tell you that they dont have anymore coke and it will take 2 months in order to get some coke again
And then you will look to the right, and see the fat fuck who took 20 bottles a day grinning and saying, "im glad i still have 100 litres of fresh coke at home"
Its a stupid example and my english sucks i know its just to illustrate how humans work

>>133590531
lenin was right

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>>133590531
Because life's unequal, goo look at a fucking plant or rock will yea..

Besides Stalin proved how demonic and evil it really is.

>>133590531
communism is a deathwish
>throw it out the window

BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT FUCKING EQUEL. You know it to be true but you wont admit it because then you have to accept that you have no control over your life.

YOU ARE NOTHING. YOU DON'T MATTER. MOST PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU

>>133590531
Because the weak will of many will never trump the strong will of one

>>133590531
'Reality says that State Capitalism would be a step forward for us; if we were able to bring about State Capitalism in a short time it would be a victory for us. How could they be so blind as not to see that our enemy is the small capitalist, the small owner? How could they see the chief enemy in State Capitalism? In the transition from Capitalism to Socialism our chief enemy is the small bourgeoisie, with its economic customs, habits and positions'
-Lenin

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After killing more Christians than the Holocaust.

>>133590531

Because humans are NOT equal, some are better than others. There you go, you loose /thread/