How can he do this?

>>133588172
separation of powers, its how the country works, its not a dictatorship

if you want executive actions to be upheld in the court then write them so they are actually constitutional and legal

>>133588364
>separation of powers

It was a supreme court decision, dumbass.

>>133588502
On a different aspect of the EO, the supreme court STAY (no decision has been made on the executive action until this fall) has no bearing on this court decision that was just made.

>>133588587
SC left executive branch to define 'bona fide' relationships. He's going against SC ruling.

>>133588729
He's arguing that the executive branch decision is unconstitutional. If the administration doesn't like it then they'll need to fight it in the court. Sorry to break it to you but the supreme court isn't a dictator any more than trump.

Get used to it kiddo.

>>133588817
>supreme court doesn't define laws
>they're there just for show

>kiddo
wow, how much of a faggot can you get?

>>133588927
The Government’s definition of close familial relationship is not only not compelled by the Supreme Court’s June 26 decision, but contradicts it. Learn what the fuck you're talking about before you start talking.

There's still going to be a travel ban but states can alter how it's going to be implemented.

>>133588817
so your saying its ok for a state judge to have a hissy fit when ever he pleases and go against everyone that's not on the same boat as he is?
sounds like a flaw to me, more like an abusive loophole the demorats will take full use of because they lost the elections

>>133588983
Can't wait for Sessions to ride into Colorado and steamroll the fuck out of the stoners. :)

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>>133589112
>hurr durr i cant make an argument so ill make fun of colorado

>SCOTUS literally decided themselves on a very strict and blatant exemption
>this dumbass judge thinks he can expand that
holy fuck this guy needs to be disbarred

>>133589103
its okay for a federal judge to strike down actions by the executive branch that are unconstitutional like in this case

>>133589250
>very strict and blatant exemption
wrong, they left it open to interpretation by the executive branch who then took the family exemptions too far and was struck down by a federal court.

its not rocket science

>>133588364
THE CONSTITUTION LITERALLY SAYS THE PRESIDENT CAN BAR ANYONE HE WANTS AT HIS OWN DISCRETION

THE JUDICIAL BRANCH IS OVER REACHING

>>133589258
How is it unconstitutional? The powers are directly and explicitly defined in the constitution itself.

>>133588817
He's a fucking retard, SCOTUS deferred it entirely to the executive branch, it's constitutionality was never in question, this is overreach.
>SCOTUS is a dictator
Federal courts literally cannot do anything about a SCOTUS decision
2/10 made me reply

>>133588817
it's too easy to make claim a decision is "unconstitutional". lately this has been the magic word in stonewalling anything the trump administration wants to try and begin. it is much easier to claim something is unconstitutional than to prove that it is not, and so the claim is made repeatedly. i cannot understand how so many people see this happen repeatedly and justify it with the classic "bro it's just separation of powers... get used to it"

yeah get used to 8 years of leftist judges saying anything the conservative administration wants to do is unconstitutional. no shit. why is this justified? say it's unconstitutional and you have to go through the courts for a year just to prove that, as it turns out, it never was!

>>133589330
That has yet to be determined, you may believe that but until it is ruled upon in the supreme court this fall it's still up for debate.

>>133588817
/pol/ poster
>>133589103
plebbit scum

I hope you can all see the fundamental differences in these posts

>>133589360
see
>>133588983

please go away and think before typing

>>133588172
Hawaii has been solid blue for decades and has a history of corruption. Surprise?

>>133589323
>they left it open to interpretation by the executive branch
yes SCOTUS said that the executives could make the exemption, which means that the exemption is backed by SCOTUS, which means this dumbass Federal judge is overstepping his bounds.
kill yourself faggot.

send all muslim refugees to Hawaii exclusively and see how fast this faggot shuts his mouth.

>>133589434
>makes a claim about the decision but doesn't provide proof because he knows he's spewing shit
kill yourself faggot, no seriously, do this country a favor.

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>>133589258
>unconstitutional
>law passed by the Supreme Court drafted by the previous president
pick one faggot

>>133589456
leaving something open to interpretation only means they're not specifying which exemptions are legal. It doesn't mean that any exemptions are legal. Holy shit you're dumb.

>>133589424
epic shitpost

>>133588364
>separation of powers

Except your law states the POTUS can ban anyone from entering that isn't a citizen.

>>133588172
Fire all of these obama holdovers

>>133589424
>autism
heres your (you)
>Looks at flag
>Aussi
>checks out
>faggot

>>133588364
DUDE Judicial activists are le in the constitution LMAO

Judges car write legislation when their fefes are hurt because of muh separation of powers

>>133589594
Not if there is intent to infringe on the religious liberties of others. Which is why it's being fought in the supreme court and a final ruling on the matter has not yet been made and wont be made until this fall. (A stay is not a decision)

>>133588587
>federal judge makes a ruling on an EO that the supreme court is hearing a case on

This won't go well for him.

>>133589615
>he cant even remotely greentext properly

Plebbit

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>>133588817
>the president of the united states and the supreme court have no authority to determine executive order

>a useless fag judge in a worthless state has the authority to halt executive powers

Nice meme. Hawaii shouldn't even be a federated state

>>133588983
There is decades of common law about close familial relationships and uncles and fucking borthers in law are not included

>>133589639
>Judicial activists
a subjective term used by people to denegrate judges with whom they disagree with court rulings

>>133588983
Get the fuck out of here with your facts. The truth is not welcome here.

>>133589656
>Not if there is intent to infringe on the religious liberties of others

He's letting in Muslims from SA and many other countries. Hence, it's not based on religion.

If it was simply a blanker Muslim ban, sure (you'd have to show me where it says non-citizens are exempt even if it's due to such).

>>133589691
They're not hearing a case on exemptions, the 9th circuit is doing that. The SC is hearing a case on the legality of blocking a people group based on their religion.

the administration can ignore this ruling as they have a contridictory one from the higher court.

>>133589735
Epic, simply great post
Do you want a le cookie?

>>133589760
>facts

>>133588172
wow a mixed race traitor. who would have guessed? this is why we hate you mixie faggots.

>>133589770
That's the argument that will be made to the court on Trump's side no doubt, but no decision has been made on the legality of the EO as of yet.

>>133589258
This is where you fucked up.

>>133588172
Because I'm about to throw him under a bus for accusing him of objectifying people.

Travel bans are easy peasy.

Considering the wide range of differentiation because everyone IS a unique snowflake is something only doctors can do.

Maybe we need more judges who are also doctors?

>>133588172
>In rebuke of Trump

Where have I read this from our pathetic media before?

Oh, right, when they were spiking the football over these lower ankle-biting judge rulings before, the ones that got smacked down by the Supreme Court.

When will these gloating morons realize these lower judges don't have the final say?

>>133588172
tldr he can't, he's making a show for attention

>>133589927
He can and he did, the decision is in effect nation wide as of right now. How hard is that for you to understand?

If the administration doesn't like the decision then they'll have to appeal. It's due process.

>>133588172
Traitorous chink needs to disappear. Embarassing example of an Asian and a judge to boot.
T. asiananon

>>133588172
Can the norks just do us a favor and nuke hawaii?

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>>133589656
>religious liberties

The travel ban does not religious liberties of others, such liberties are only afforded to United States citizens first of all. The ban specifies mostly muslim countries because the countries are complete shit and cannot properly vet their expats, all "religions" are banned from travel to the US from these countries, even if they are Coptic Christian for example.

This is sedition, aiding and abetting terrorism, and reducing the security of the United States through the overt decree by Democrats to commit treason against the POTUS, by obstructing him or ousting him from power by any means necessary. Treason.

>>133589974
Take the L mate

Of course Hawaii doesn't care what happens here. They have a fucking ocean separating them from the mess they make here.

>>133589559
>>law passed by the Supreme Court drafted by the previous president

this is also a compelling addition to my argument i began in >>133589373. a new argument can very easily be made that this is only being called unconstitutional because of political agendas or bias that opposes the new administration.

let me try and get this straight:
>obama's administration drafts the EO
>gets passed by the SC
>trump comes into office
>because of an interpretation of some of his claims in the primary, signing off on the EO is now unconstitutional
>trump admin changes the wording of the EO so it's even more neutered, now there's 2 versions
>second version also gets overruled

how exactly is this possible? or justifiable? obama signed off on a similar EO pertaining to south american countries and it went off without a hitch.

>How can he do this?
He and the rest of the virtue signaling left are setting the bar really low come the next time there is a Democrat president.

You think Obama received a lot of grief... just you wait.

>>133590047
he's paid to post here, what do you expect.

>1 penny per post

>>133588364
>separation of powers
no
why the fuck is a judge making law??
there's no legit basis on which this judge can say "actually relatives will be able to bypass the restriction"
this is fucking bullshit
this is not a judge's role at all
i pray that every time a political judge does shit like this, trump tells ICE to be more and more aggressive in deporting people

>>133589996
okay if thats what you want to believe, sure. I'll wait for the SCOTUS to make a decision or throw it back to the lower courts.
>>133590047
What L? The only loss in this decision is for Trump and his exemptions.

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>>133588172
He can because people like the idea of Hawaii.

>tiger sharks
>star trek water cows teaching their babies how to nig it up in the ocean
>poke bowls
>dink sympathy
>the road to Hana

Hawaii is California. It's pretty in some parts, but it doesn't deserve tax dollars.

>>133589398
>may by proclamation and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens and any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants

>>133589974
No, they won't.

Trump has already rolled out enforcement of the ban, and this judge's grandstanding won't change anything. Trump will literally just ignore it.

You've lost.

>>133589879
The decision was made, and this judge is frivolously obstructing it, and in doing so is being seditious. Through the organized effort to dismantle the presidency with his Democrat's organized intent to commit treason.

>>133590144
>you've made 16 cents so far.

Who here remembers a Hawaiian anon who told all sorts of fucked up shit about Hawaiian elites and police?

>>133590190
That is not what is being argued in the SCOTUS if you knew anything about the law. The argument is that Trump was violating the religious liberties because his original intent was a total and complete ban of all Muslims entering the country. That is what is being debated, the intent behind the EO.

All refugees to Hawaii immediately. Let them have them all if that is how they want to play it.

>>133589974
They'll simply reverse it. Get pissed he's causing trouble, then possibly charge him with sedition.

>>133590211
well, i would say these judge's decisions to call the first already drafted, and second more neutered draft of the EO "unconstitutional" to be very abusive of the powers they have to obstruct truly dangerous administrations. very abusive indeed

>>133588364
Asian people fuck me off, they need to be euthanized. The only asian countries that aren't shit-holes have been strongly influenced by western culture.

Time to just offer a Travel Ban on ALL people from everywhere. 30 year total ban on immigration.

Cant discriminate if its the entire world

>>133589206
Fuck Colorado.

>>133589879

And he's not letting in anyone from those countries.

Their argument doesn't hold, and anyone can see it here.

This judge literally abusing his power, and I'm sure there'll be consequences.

>>133590193
>Trump will literally just ignore it.
Except he hasn't, the judge issued an order late Thursday, which applies nationwide. Your mental fantasies can't replace reality no matter how hard you try.

If you can find a shred of evidence that shows that Trump is disobeying a court order then I'd be glad to see it, until then keep your fantasies to yourself.

>>133588364
You dumb nigger it is constitutional, that's why the supreme court let it go through 9-0. Even that kid raping witch, Ginsburg who is vehemently anti-Trump couldn't deny that. You notice how all these rogue judges never say it's unconstitutional but rather "it violates Muslim rights" or "it targets families". Bullshit like this makes people think feels over reals and keeps people docile.

>>133590296
If they want it reversed then they'll need to appeal, no decision has come from the DOJ in regards to appealing this latest ruling though.

Trump will ignore the ruling. The DoJ will say that the judge in Hawaii has made an unconstitutional maneuver in ruling on a SCOTUS case and that they'll wait for SCOTUS and continue on as normal.

>>133590253
It's clear now that the Hawaiian judicial system is highly politicized, biased, and essentially illegitimate.

>>133589103
Exactly, democrats have vowed to make Trump's presidency as hard as possible.

Their plan is to stress him out until he makes a big mistake or can't take it anymore.

>>133590296
isn't there enough judges to take turns for appeals, like why one just one judge be sticking his thumb out so everyone can see and single him out, unless there's ulterior motives to whats going on.

>>133588172
Trump should immediately grant entry for 20k refugees and send them all to Hawaii. The butthurt would be amazing.

>>133590416
>and anyone can see it
Obviously not or it would not have gone all the way to the SCOTUS.

>>133590417
Screen capping this and posting it later when you get btfo.

I need to expand the Trump collages.

>>133589250
He was one of Obama's best buddies in college, it's no wonder he's trying to rape the country now that he's out of office.

>>133590266
while the abuse of the law of these judges is extremely difficult to fight against, this would be a very realistic solution that would make them be less trigger happy with their power. if they are truly abusing their power and claiming constitutional EOs are unconstitutional, this response would most certainly make them step back almost completely

>>133589330
He could even literally ban every single person outside of the US for his whole presidency if he felt like it.

>>133590525
good boy, work for dem pennies.

>>133589974
fuck due process. just send the cia after him and get him in line. we can make a fourth reich here if we have the will.

>>133590459
A stay means nothing to the actual legality of the EO. A decision on the EO has not been made by the SCOTUS yet until this fall.

>>133590459
Stupid fucking retarded spic

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>>133590266
Drastic, but the right idea. I don't like the idea of a bunch of savagesband morenorbless ex pats that get federal tax money, nonetheless have a Fucking voice about what is happening on the mainland.
>demote Hawaii to a fucking colony, used only for military purposes.

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Why not send the CIA and kill this faggot judge?
What the hell does Trump have them for if he doesn't use them.

>>133590525

Then they're all dumb?

It's not a blanket ban of Muslims, hence it's not discrimination.

So, they have no argument.

And that's an appeal to authority that it went so far. The judge is abusing his powers here.

>>133590265
>ANY CLASS OF ALIENS
ENTERING THE USA IS NOT A FUCKING RIGHT TO NON-CITIZENS

>>133588172
This would not be alllowd at home.

Our immigration rules are strict and punishment is severe.

We Otto all criminal trespassers.

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>>133590532
>i-i d-dont have proof to back up my claims so i'll act smug and leave the thread in shame

you're embarrassing

>>133590602
>fuck due process
>fourth reich
okay edgelord

US District Court Judge Derrick Watson is literally the same fag who made the original flawed anti-travel ban ruling in March.

His face is probably still smarting from the smackdown he received at the hands of the Supreme Court too. Hope he's ready for another one.

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>>133590700

>>133590703
out of all the arguments you have made you have not made one that responds to what i have said. why? why are you picking easy fights?

>>133590265
Intent doesn't matter. SCOTUS has ruled in the past that you can't argue intent for executive powers and must defer to the executive's explanation.
The ban also doesn't apply to citizens, so the Constitution has nothing to do with it. Foreigners have no rights.

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>>133588817

Title 8, Section 1182 of the U.S. Code

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

Justices say it’s enough to cite terrorism in declining visa applicant:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/justices-say-its-enough-to-cite-terrorism-in-declining-visa-applicant/2015/06/15/87b5247a-1370-11e5-89f3-61410da94eb1_story.html

That judge can argue all he wants, but at the end of the day it is sedition, and you are either willingly or unwillingly supporting the sedition of the President of the United States.

>>133590498
I doubt it's any deeper than obstructionist bullshit.

activist judges should be shot on sight. i dont get how you can say you are an "activist judge" and not lose your fucking job. they are fucking traitors to this country.

>>133590778
Archive or screenshot please
https://archive.is/kQBfO

>>133590265
You can't rule over "intent" considering the draft of the executive order is a separate entity. You don't get to be the gestapo when things don't work out for you.

>>133588364
>>133588587
>>133588817
>>133588983
>>133589206
>>133589258
>>133589323
>>133589398
>>133589434
>>133589561
>>133589656
>>133589735
>>133589791
>>133589879
>>133589974
>>133590144
>>133590265
>>133590417
>>133590463
>>133590525

Hi, this is Mia with ShareBlue. We seem to have lost your Paypal e-mail. You're due $0.83 (good job!) so please get in touch with HQ to work this out. Thanks.

>>133590695
Neither is infringing on the religious liberties of others. That's what the SCOTUS will decide this fall.

>>133590740
Kim you wild man you

>>133590744
>doesnt know anything about what hes talking about
>bamboozled when he doesnt get a serious reply

>>133590361
So you agree they are abusing their power. These judges will be removed soon.

>>133590675
Pretty sure CIA is barred from internal American affairs, unless the threat is coming from the outside in.

FBI would have to do that.

>>133590765
>Intent doesn't matter. SCOTUS has ruled in the past that you can't argue intent for executive powers and must defer to the executive's explanation.
if this is true then every single blocking of the orders under the pretense they are unconstitutional is extremely out of line and fruitless

>>133590838
>sucking dick for fun
>not getting sheckels like jyyr6LjF

>>133590463
If they don't bother, either they don't view it worth fighting.
However, if they've any balls, they'd force their version to show who's boss.

>>133590811
http://www.ILOVENORWAYBOTBRO.com

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>>133588364
The modern judicial branch and their powers today, aren't those defined by the constitution

>>133590838
>shitposting all thread
>picking on me for trying to contribute

stop bullying me mate

>>133590744
Sorry I'm getting a lot of replies point me to the post you want me to respond to.
>>133590778
They're not arguing the legality of that law, they're arguing the intent behind the law using what Trump's campaign intent was stated to be. (A total and complete ban on all muslims)
>>133590819
Well they obviously can and they have done that very thing which is why it's going to be argued in the supreme court this fall.
>>133590826
(You)

>>133590830

None have been infringed.

Muslims from non-threat countries are allowed in. People of all religions are banned from threat countries.

Any reasonable person can see this.

Hence, the judge is abusing his position of power and breaking the law.

>>133590830
THEY'RE NOT CITIZENS


THE EXECUTIVE ORDER NEVER BARRED THE PEOPLE OVER THEIR RELIGION YOU RETARD. GET THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AND HIGHLIGHT HOW THE ACTUAL TEXT BANS PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR MUSLIM FAITH. This is all about banning possible dangers. Lynch yourself you cuck

>>133590984
>None have been infringed.
according to your interpenetration of the executive order, but obviously many other courts and judges think differently. Due process.

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>>133588172
"Please disbar me": The Judge

>>133590970
>Sorry I'm getting a lot of replies point me to the post you want me to respond to.
this one in particular including the first argument it quotes >>133590083

>>133590970
26 cents and growing

>>133591066

So, you're going to waste millions of dollars on something that you can't win, just to throw a tantrum, when you could be using that money to help countries affected by ISIS.

Good job.

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>>133590874

>>133590893
Correct, but they'll do it anyway because they hate Trump and want America to be overrun by refugees.

>>133591090
That wasn't even directed at me, if you want me to respond to a post then please actually reply to me.
>because of an interpretation of some of his claims in the primary, signing off on the EO is now unconstitutional
Because they're arguing intent behind the law, they obviously don't believe that Obama's intent was to infringe on the religious liberties of others. By going off of what Trump's campaign intent was to "completely ban on all muslims from entering the USA" they can make the argument that his intent was to infringe on a religion. That's the argument basically.

When are we gonna toss away this old system and revolt. The time for hugs and kisses is over.

The last time a idiot on a island decided he could tell us what to do there was a revolution. We did it once and we can do it again. Just imagine all the old loyalists can be deported just like last time. Enough BSing online. Real resistance and revolution now!

UNITE THE RIGHT!

Prediction: Trump and Sessions will ignore the ruling by stating this is a SCOTUS case and that the judge from Hawaii is overreaching.
Screencap this.

>>133590997
Mitigate the terrorist travel obstacle by introducing an international immigration service?

Take the test, before you travel?

Who is going to write that test?

How do you test for terrorism?

>>133591203
If you think that the judicial system is a waste of taxpayer money then you need to elect leaders that appoint the judges that prioritize the things you think need to be prioritized. That's how shit works.

>>133590970
>they're arguing the intent behind the law using what Trump's campaign intent was stated to be. (A total and complete ban on all muslims)
Then they're ignoring a much bigger piece of evidence which is that he hasn't banned all Muslims. If his intention was to ban all Muslims, he would've banned all Muslims. So whatever he said is irrelevant.

He should ban all non-white people, though, and the Constitution gives him the power to do this, unequivocally.

>>133591310
>By going off of what Trump's campaign intent was to "completely ban on all muslims from entering the USA" they can make the argument that his intent was to infringe on a religion. That's the argument basically.

It's been ruled that EO's need to be interpreted by the words in them, and not previously stated comments, dumbass.

>now at 28 cents

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>>133588172
Trump has been out-smarted.

>>133591428
>If you think that the judicial system....
Not what he said.

>>133591424
You test for terrorism by seeing if the country supports/harbors terrorism. Saudi should be on the list but until we can steal their oil, the US and other countries are going to suck their dick.

>>133591414
>administration ignoring a court order
Quick way to impeachment is through contempt of court

>>133591066
>but obviously many other courts and judges think differently
Yet when these courts' and judges' decisions get to the Supreme Court, even the whack job anti-White lefties on the Court are over-turning the totally wrong and political decisions of the lower courts (who probably don't really think they are making the right legal decision, but feel emboldened to go outside of the law when it comes to Trump).

>>133591477
explain these demonic sevens

>>133591566
You literally don't understand how the SC is higher than some faggot in Hawaii, do you?

>>133591473
>It's been ruled that EO's need to be interpreted by the words in them, and not previously stated comments
Could a brother get a source?

>>133591473
>It's been ruled that EO's need to be interpreted by the words in them, and not previously stated comments
Okay, tell that to all the federal justices that disagree with you. I'm not the one making the decisions to strike down his executive orders.

>>133591526
By that logic, there'd still be leaks.

Are you really proposing that Saudi build their own wall and treat their refugees like women?

*takes a big deep breath before clicking post*

>>133591507
Enlighten me what exactly is a waste of taxpayer dollars in relation to this decision

>>133588502
>>133588817
>>133588927
>>133589206
>>133589250

Look at these degeneratie GOPtards arguing against states rights when it's not in their favour

>>133591595
No decision has been made in the supreme court as of yet and until that day comes you're merely speculating.

>every single post consistently btfo by a sole, knowledgeable poster
>arguments turn from people making bullshit claims because they dont know the law to bloo bloo'ing about it not being fair

These would be the first people to unequivocally support a judge from Alabama doing the same thing on the opposite end. These people are known as r*dditors

>>133591720
What does that even mean? What does that even have to do with taking their oil and cutting all ties with them?

>>133591626
The Government’s definition of close familial relationship is not only not compelled by the Supreme Court’s June 26 decision, but contradicts it.

He's not overruling the supreme court.

>>133588172
Literally okay when Obama does it. But meany old trump hurts muh fees

>>133591818
I wouldn't want to live in a country where theft is prevalent enough to cause wars.

I'd be a refugee of Saudi then, right?

How do Saudi's treat there women but to require permission before leaving their home?

You're turning me into a terrorist.

>>133591735
Wasting time calling the ban unconstitutional since it is clearly not a Muslim ban considering it does not ban several Muslim majority countries.

>>133591819
Yes he is, he's literally trying to undermine their decision. That little faggot in Hawaii and the 9th circuit have succeeded several times in stopping the EO but now that the SC let it through for now, they need to shut the fuck up.

>libtards care about intent regarding the law now when it suits them
literally nothing at all to stand on but their feelings

>>133591763
look at this faggot trying to join the thread.

>>133590740
Visitor needs passport and visa.

Or they will be tortured to vegetable

>>133591929
That's due process, you're just saying that your interpretation of the law reigns supreme and that any other interpretation is a waste of money. You're calling the judicial system a waste of money, quit beating around the bush.

>>133591566
>contempt of court
They are just following the SCOTUS ruling. All court matters don't matter until SCOTUS is done. Hawaii can't do shit and that judge would be equally in contempt of court.

>>133591310
it is incredibly hard to prove intent, so to block the already drafted order written without any intent being argued against it in the first place seems incredibly dubious to me. maybe you could make the argument if it were a new EO, but the argument itself is flimsy because of how difficult intent is to prove and how even the second, neutered draft of the bill that specifically addressed the original claims of intent STILL got cold clocked. so what exactly are the judges blocking the bills implying?

>a good EO is no longer good once a new president comes in to office to sign it
and
>claim of intent from the person signing the order, despite the difficulty in proving intent, can be made by any judge at any time to block otherwise good legislation

so the hand that signs it matters more than the paper that is being signed? this is clearly not true and yet it's happening

>>133591788
Everyone knows this judge has power vested in him to make decisions. We're arguing he made the objectively wrong decision.

US visitor to us even had passport and visa and we still Ottoed him into a coma before shipping home

>>133592044
>Calling a ban that doesn't ban all Muslims a Muslim ban
Hurr durr.

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>>133591763
Look at this retard who doesn't understand how the fucking judicial branch works.

Not that it matters since NOBODY is going to fucking Hawaii. This is a state with fiscal solvency so pathetic their rat-like people can't even afford to live anymore, they had to start discussing a UBI that they cannot possibly afford just so that they can eat.

>>133591932
>Yes he is, he's literally trying to undermine their decision.
Okay then highlight how this contradicts the June 26th stay (with citations from the stay itself and the latest court order).

>>133592044
SCOTUS reigns supreme. SCOTUS has ruled. There is no reason to listen to a hawaiian judge.

>>133592077
>All court matters don't matter
wrong, this has nothing to do with the ruling, the ban is still in effect this is only ruling on familial relationships

>>133591652
You are supporting lawlessness. You deserve to be shot.

>>133592028
RARE
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>>133591819
>33 posts by this ID
Try switching proxy and people will fall for your bait

>>133592097
>it is incredibly hard to prove intent
Unfortunately when you're recorded articulating your intent to protect the country by completely banning all muslims it's not as difficult to argue intent.

>>133592197
>SCOTUS has ruled
It has not ruled on familial relationships which this court order entails.

>>133592103
>objectively wrong decision
Hello r*ddit! If even one person expressed their concerns about this or asked him to do it then all hes doing is utilising the law to its full extent. If people care enough to support it, his decision will be struck down. Until then, he is being an American patriot by following through with due process and if you were a real patriot yourself you wouldnt stifle people who follow the law to the T but who also disagree with you politically

Basically, it's ok for the Hawaiian judge to be a dictator but not Trump.

>jyyr6LjF
Get this overdedicated trolling faggot out of here.

>>133592317
Remember when the Supreme Court saved Obamacare by ruling it constitutional because the individual mandate — the penalty people had to pay for not buying health insurance — could be considered a tax? They ruled that way despite the fact that President Obama repeatedly maintained that the mandate was not a tax. Or as one attorney on Twitter joked:

>>133592255
This is the opposite of lawlessness, if they want to argue against the Hawaiian judges order then they can appeal. That is part of the rule of law, embrace it because it works both ways like all the times the GOP did the same thing to obama.

>>133592228
Which SCOTUS said the executive can define. And it's not just familial relationships, they also opened it to all refugees that make contact with an organization here in the US, something SCOTUS explicitly wrote in their ruling that can not happen.

>>133592431
"Your Honor, the President said if you like your plan you can keep it. Clearly, many can't. Strike down the law."
"So ordered."

Are Japanese people still allowed in Hawaii?

Too soon?

>>133592445
>39 posts

I'm not a shill, guise, I swear

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>>133592313
>n-no one is falling for your arguments
I'm having more than my share of discussions.

>>133592384
Yes they did, they deferred to the executive and the executive used immigration law to define "bona-fide".

>>133592445
>same thing to Obama
Post em faggot.

>>133592431
If you don't like that decision then you should elect people to repeal it.

>>133590997
he knows.
Don't speak to leftists, they just want attention.
Let me give you an example of speaking to a leftist:

l: what is two plus two
r: 4
l: why
r: because the value of two is two ones, and four ones is four, and you count to four twice in twos from zero, so that is two twos.
l: How does that prove anything?

it doesn't matter what you say, they are not listening.
Don't EVER engage them, learn to tell who they are, and only answer LEGITIMATE questions.

>>133592630
I never said anything about not liking it. I'm just pointing out precedent, stupid.

>>133592630
That's what they are doing next week.

>>133592509
They left it open for them to define, they didn't say that any familial specifications are legal, merely that they weren't going to rule on familial relations within the stay on the 26th. That leaves it open to court challenges by the lower courts.

>>133590265
>original intent
>what he's actually doing
So if someone says something in rhetoric and attempts to do something different, it's the rhetoric that matters and not the action? Taking intent into account is one thing, making the accusation that rhetoric negates the possibility of any action that could possibly include some member of a group that was included in rhetoric is another thing. If this is truly how our judicial system is going to operate, the entire country is fucked from here on out.

>>133588817
>the supreme court isn't some kind if dictator, kiddo
>but my literallywho Hawaiian judge is

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>>133588587
>>133588817
>>133588983
>>133589206
>>133589323
>>133589258

>all this fucking sophistry

it's just so sad really at how removed from common sense the legal system has become because of fuck wits like this. Their arguments are like those russians dolls where there's a smaller and smaller one inside when you open them, except at the center instead is petty word play and flawed logic. The good people in our justice system have to dig into their disingenuous, bad faith arguments and by the time they can sufficiently prove the arguer's nothing but a lying piece of shit no one cares because they've moved on and made three new bullshit claims

If you had any moral standing you'd be ashamed of yourself

>>133588172
Cool now grandparents and uncles and in laws can come in but the ban is still in place if you can't prove to be ones legally.

I don't see how this is not desperation...

>>133590830
Religious liberty is right of US citizens you dumbo.

>>133592739
Bullshit. Trump will ignore the court and refer to SCOTUS.

It was never the intention of one state to be able to unilaterally force their rulings on other states.

That's simply a hole in the legal system that was never plugged.

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>>133590893
>if this is true then every single blocking of the orders under the pretense they are unconstitutional is extremely out of line and fruitless
yes

if it was this simple then don't you think the republicans would have done similar under obama? The amount of importance /pol/ and MSM place on liberal cuckholds REEEEEEEEing in protest of drumph is massively overblown. Now we should always treat them as a threat greater than they are, but to think this is anything but ineffectual belly aching is retarded. 2018 is going to be a crippling referendum on democrats.

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>>133588172

>>133592792
This.

>>133589791
>based on their religion

And here is where you out yourself as a know nothing faggot.

>>133592580
Point to where it says that the executive branch can define familial relationships in anyway that they want and that it will be legal. I can't find it.

>>133592625
http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/06/obama-has-lost-in-the-supreme-court-more-than-any-modern-president/

>>133592992
SCOTUS said so. So it shall be.

>>133588172 (OP)
Cool now grandparents and uncles and in laws can come in but the ban is still in place if you can't prove to be ones legally.

I don't see how this is not desperation...

>>133591637
>>133591473
I got one for both of us bro.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/408/753/case.html

>>133592695
That's your interpretation and not one that the SCOTUS held. If you don't like it become a justice and interpret it in the way you want too.

DAILY REMINDER THE BAN IS STILL IN EFFECT

>>133592770
No he isn't either, which is why the Trump admin can appeal his order if they wish. (They haven't)

>>133593011
>arguing about a state judge overreaching
>posts SCOTUS
Are you an idiot?

>>133592974
You nazis got the best merchants.

>>133593066
See>>133593056
It is precedent stupid.

LMAO WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH US WHY CAN RANDOM JUDGE BAN ANYTHING THAT SENATE/PRESIDENT PASSES?
In every normal country, only supreme court can decide if something is against the constitution, meanwhile in burgerland random chink from Hawaii has more power than President.

>>133591763
Immigration is a federal issue because it affects all states; individual states do not have borders.

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>Mfw these delusional /ptg/ morons in this thread get a dose of reality

>>133592792
>complains about sophistry
>cant make an argument
wew your projection level is off the charts, if you don't like something I said then make an argument against it

>>133592770
You're not allowed to just go A to Z like that, you have to make every little leap in logic we prepared for you!

>>133593066
What are you even arguing? Representatives are in the middle of repealing that right now. That anon did his job.

>>133592849
That's what the SCOTUS will need to decide

DAILY REMINDER THE BAN IS STILL IN EFFECT

now grandparents and uncles and in laws can come in but the ban is still in place if you can't prove to be ones legally.

I don't see how this is not desperation...

>>133592904
>Trump will be held in contempt of court
I doubt it, and this is merely fantasy speculation you're making.

>>133593088
Trump will ignore this injunction as well. Never seen a state judge actually think he can overrule SCOTUS.

DAILY REMINDER THE BAN IS STILL IN EFFECT

now grandparents and uncles and in laws can come in but the ban is still in place if you can't prove to be ones legally.

I don't see how this is not desperation

>>133593176
>accused of sophistry
>defends argument with an ad hom
you're the 5% of posts i legitimately suspect of being paid/compelled

>>133592983
That's the argument being made, if you don't agree with it that's fine and thats your right. You don't run the courts though, keep that in mind.

>>133593022
You're making the claim, you need to provide the proof on where it was said.

>50 posts by this ID

The autistic screeching is unbelievable. Is this a new lolcow like obamaleaf?

DAILY REMINDER THE BAN IS STILL IN EFFECT

now grandparents and uncles and in laws can come in but the ban is still in place if you can't prove to be ones legally.

I don't see how this is not desperation

Liberals are a joke now lol

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How long until we can start hanging kikes and their puppets?

>>133593056
This is the case. Intent doesn't matter for executive powers.

>>133592427
ding ding ding
we have a winner

>>133593116
That's about judges ruling against Obama in the same manner that they're ruling against Trump. It goes both ways, embrace it.

>>133593165
>reality
You mean the banana republic we're currently living in?

I wish we could give hawaii away

sick of these weirdo chinks

DAILY REMINDER THE BAN IS STILL IN EFFECT

Lol now grandparents and uncles and in laws can come in but the ban is still in place if you can't prove to be ones legally.

I don't see how this is not desperation

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>>133588172

The supreme court has taken up the case and has given the executive branch freedom to interpret in the mean time. This weasley, activist judge used his knowledge of the system and a pedantic reading of the text to find another way to attack an action he doesn't like. He should have deferred to the supreme court but he couldn't leave well enough alone

pieces of shit always take advantage of the legal system and have turned it into the monstrosity it is today

Times like these just gotta remember to be patient, Trump is in the White House and we knew these shit fights were going to happen

>>133593399
Whataboutism isn't a logical argument.

All you've proven is your a partisan.

>>133593145
Once again, thats your interpretation. You're interpretation simply doesn't matter, you're not a special snowflake that the courts bow to for wisdom.

Remember that the Asians are our enemies and actively work against white interests

>>133593239
>contempt of court
He actually can't be held in contempt since he's following a SCOTUS ruling. That ruling supersedes the hawaii judge.

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>>133593196
>Representatives are in the middle of repealing that right now.
>trump supporters unironically think that obamacare will be repealed

Modified maybe, but certainly not repealed.

>>133593451

DAILY REMINDER THE BAN IS STILL IN EFFECT

>>133593315
Already did. Go read the SCOTUS decision.

>>133593319
He's working hard tonight
For the People of Color
All across this land
So their grandfather can come milk White Americans, too
Get that last drop

>>133593399
SCOTUS is called the Supreme Court for a reason. Your argument is weak.

>>133593451
>special snowflake

It's so cringy when the sjw kikes try to adopt our memes and catchphrases

>>133593451
Here's more precedent
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/2575/rajah-v-mukasey/
“the most exacting level of scrutiny that we will impose on immigration legislation is rational basis review.”
Try being a little bit smarter next time.

>>133593319
see>>133592938

>>133593448
The guy that I was talking to (not you) asked me for examples of the court ruling against Obama. I provided them, what are you talking about?

>>133590970
He could literally say "no muslim" and as "any class" of alien they could pound fucking sand with the REEEEEing lower court activist judges until they get BTFO by clearly and long time addressed constitutional law.

>>133593488
>he's following a SCOTUS ruling
This order doesn't contradict the scotus ruling and until you provide proof or evidence to the contrary you might as well stop replying.

>>133593624
DAILY REMINDER THE BAN IS STILL IN EFFECT

now grandparents and uncles and in laws can come in but the ban is still in place if you can't prove to be ones legally.

I don't see how this is not desperation

As we all know, the relatives of Muslims in the US could never, ever, ever be terrorist sympathizers.

>>133593524
Nah, it'll be repealed. You're just upset that Trump won. Get over it.

>>133593451
In Mandel, the Supreme Court held that when the Executive exercises its power to make policies and rules for the exclusion of aliens on the basis of a facially legitimate and bona fide reason, the courts will not look behind the exercise of that discretion.

This is not my interpretation. This is what happened in the case itself. I am aware that reading is hard for you, but you could at least try.

>>133593531
You made the claim, you provide the proof. That's how it works when debating with adults.

>>133593530
Yes. A watered down version you utter shit eating moron

I don't care.
Let Trump suffer.
Until he keeps his promise to lock up Hillary.
I live in NY. I live in constant fear of her being out there in the woods.

>>133593601
The Hawaiian judges court order does not contradict the stay on the EO made on the 26th. No one has yet to provide proof that he contradicted the SCOTUS stay.

>>133593659
It contradicts the SCOTUS ruling. Try reading the ruling before posting.

>>133590830
Constitution is a piece of paper, the rights of this land are upheld by the mountain of gun owners otherwise we'd become like the UK: a sissy.

>>133593624
You've been saying Obama for quite awhile in here.

Do try to keep up with yourself.

>>133593608
That's fine and I'm sure the SCOTUS took all those things into account when they made their decision. I'm sorry you don't agree with it but trying to re-litigate that case with me is pretty pointless.

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Why is Israel not on the list?

>>133593721
Because grand parents uncles and in laws have to prove they are legally and be tracked?

Lol THE BAN IS STILL IN EFFECT

>>133593663
It allows refugees in above the 50k cap and makes it so organizations can play tag by calling a refugee and creating a "bona-fide" relationship so they can enter the US.

>>133593792
>Appeal to authority
Yare yare daze. Adults don't make logical fallacies.

>>133593647
You're probably right, and thats why we have a court system to work through that.

>>133588172
because the anti-Trump cucks are losing their minds, and enabling blatant judicial over-reach. fortunately, the Supreme Court can maintain sanity.

>>133593755
That would be pretty obvious if that was the case (which it isn't) to a federal judge. Cute how some NEET is talking like a legal scholar.

>>133593792
DAILY REMINDER THE BAN IS STILL IN EFFECT

>>133593705
You're the one making the claim. The burden of proof is on you.

>>133593738
>Until he keeps his promise to lock up Hillary.
He never promised to. This is the danger if internet memes. You start believing them.

>>133593659
Fuck shill, you sure are earning your precious shackles tonight.

>>133593670
I'm not upset at all, in fact I voted for Trump. The only upset people here are those that don't understand how the court system works and that this Hawaiian judge isn't bound by the June 26th stay.

>>133593823
No they can't contact them that's still not allowed m8 in the scouts wording

>>133593751
Go read the ruling. I'm not here to do your homework for you.

>>133589484
>send all muslim refugees to Hawaii exclusively and see how fast this faggot shuts his mouth.
Here is the solution. This literal fucking faggot will not be so happy when his little island paradise starts exploding with suicide bombers and tiki drinks arrive at customers' tables with complementary acid shots on the side.

>>133593936
Scotus*

>>133593818
>When we lose we win
Come on now, don't be afraid. It's ok for big boys to cry sometimes :(

>>133593928
>I voted for Trump.
You do realize that just convinces people you didn't actually vote for Trump.

>>133593697
Once again, the courts will rule on the legality this fall, not you and not me. I'm not making an argument against the EO, I am illustrating the argument that the 9th circuit was making against the Trump administration to those who don't seem to understand.

>>133593755
You made the claim, you provide the proof. Learn how to debate.

>>133593936
Did you not read the new ruling? It allows for exactly that.

DAILY REMINDER THE BAN IS STILL IN EFFECT

>>133593918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thaNhEAKF_U
He needs to keep his promise.

>>133591929
a muslim ban is constitutional

foreigners have zero rights

>>133593788
Maybe if you read the context of the discussion I was having you wouldn't interject with arguments that have nothing to do with the discussion.

>>133594048
Show me where it says they can contact them and I will show where it violates scotus ruling

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>>133594015
>You're not a trump supporter if you don't constantly lick his ass and maintain the echo chamber

>>133594029
And I was making the argument for why the 9th circuit is bucking precedent when there is absolutely no precedent for courts looking to a politician’s statements from before he or she took office, let alone campaign promises, to establish any kind of impermissible motive.

>>133593882
>obvious to an activist judge
Nah, they'll make shit up as they go along.

>>133588817
Not an amerifat, but wasn't this given the go ahead by SCOTUS? I get that there are executive and judicial branches of government but surely a hierarchy exists in which a federal judge is inferior to a supreme court justice?

>>133594075
This, it was one of the major reasons a lot of people got behind him but she's still walking free and child trafficking

>>133588172
He's a federal judge, he can do whatever the fuck he wants.

>>133592127
All city people go to hawaii for holidays, only subrural retards travel to NY for trump steaks.

>>133593839
It's not an appeal to authority, it's the law, if you want to change it then change the government either by force or by peaceful means or break the law and face the punishment. What are you trying to prove?

>>133594057
Are you 12 or something? Come on now calm down and let the big boys have a discussion in peace for once.

>>133588172
what does this little hawaii fag know about immigration anyway?

didnt the native hawaiians fight like he to keep white people out and then got fucked up the ass?

>>133593996
The ban is not still in effect?

>hey guys we got a touchdown while losing we win

>>133594182
I didn't vote for him and my tax dollars are going to pay for the fucking niggers he's bringing over. He can do whatever the fuck he wants from a coffin.

>>133593902
You made the claim that the court order was contradicting the SCOTUS ruling. You can't provide proof because you have no proof, you continue to embarrass yourself.

>>133593928
So you, you're talking about yourself. Nice introspection there.

>>133594204
DAILY REMINDER THE BAN IS STILL IN EFFECT NOTHING ABOUT THIS CHANGES THAT LOL

>>133594225
>The ban is not still in effect?
No one said that... It's still in effect just a very different type of ban.

>>133594202
Bucking precedent is not okay just because you say "I'm sure they took it into account :^)" that is an appeal to authority. Sorry.

>>133594262
He could have you locked up for life for that if you weren't anonymous you know that?

>>133593967
You make the claim, you provide the proof. You can't because there is none.

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>>133588587
If I remember right, Hawaii floated this shit as soon as the stay was ordered but they found they didn't have a leg to stand on- so I am wondering if a legal bro has any insight- thx.

>>133594119
>The judge also said that refugees who have “formal assurance” from U.S. resettlement agencies for relocation to the country — even if the refugees do not have relatives in the U.S. — cannot be prevented from entering.

>The decision means that potentially thousands of refugees who had been vetted for U.S. admission but were blocked after the government cut off most refugee admissions on Wednesday — the day the country hit a cap of 50,000 refugee admissions for the fiscal year — may now be let in.

>>133594015
I don't care whether you believe it or not.

>>133594333
Adding grand parents in laws a uncles makes it very different?

People who have no reason to be in the country are still not banned?

>>133588364
USA is a dictatorship, it just isn't people's dictatorship, it's private interest dictatorship. Private army, private interests, private money.

>>133594381
And you can't because you don't actually care. You just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

>>133594155
Well obviously a lot of judges disagree which is why the SCOTUS will decide. I'm quite sure that at least part of the EO will be deemed legal in the end.

>>133594413
You do, which is why you mentioned it to convince people you supported Trump.

Seems like your being defensive.

>>133594170
Please lock her up.
She's out there roaming.

>>133594393
They were already offered and vetted m8 no new ones can be contacted your post does not contradict anything I said

>>133594367
Probably, dead people can even vote in this country I'm sure there's no limit to what they can do.

>>133593882
You sure have a lot of faith in federal judges to never rule wrongly, a position that is easily discredited by simply looking at the fact that the Supreme Court often overturns (even unanimously) federal judges.

But hey, you called someone a NEET so you must know your shit.

>>133594043
>debate
"No you" is not a debate.

>>133594424
>Exemptions from the controversial ban should include grandparents, grandchildren, brothers-in-law, sisters-in-law, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews and cousins, according to Judge Derrick Watson's ruling.
Are you the product of some failed abortion?

>>133594164
The travel ban is still in effect, the court order is only talking about familial relations and specifying what is legal.

>>133594472
DAILY REMINDER THE BAN IS STILL IN EFFECT