Family in San Francisco Earning $138k a Year Qualifies for Housing

> He doesn't understand how Capitalism works

For all the praise that this system gets, this board sure does hate it when they figure out they have no valuable work skills to use in a competitive market. Pick up your nearest economics book and turn to the supply and demand chapter and maybe you'll finally figure out why you have no spending power.

>>133565867
>the supply and demand chapter
It's not just that. People are dumb and are willing to pay the price. They could just move to a cheaper city in the area, but they don't. It's the same thing for every major city.

artificially low supply
they don't allow construction of housing

>>133566119
I would argue that you're simply describing the "demand" side of that term. "Demand" is not inherently logical, nor is logic a prerequisite.
Economists lament constantly that humans are fickle and irrational actors. It's why econometrics at the phd level is insanely difficult; how do you solve for infinite human variables, hell how do you even quantify them?

>>133566222
Frisco doesn't really have anywhere to build anything, only the suburbs which has plenty of affordable housing even immediately outside of frisco.

>>133566222
>dingdingding

>>133564142

Psssh have you been to the Bay nigger? Besides all the crusties and pieces of shit roaming the streets the peninsula is beautiful and the some of the properties out there look pretty fuckin sweet.

That and it's a fucking city yo wtf?

Why the fuck should some rednecks in Kentucky subsidize some faggots who want to live near the ocean in 70degree sunny weather.

>>133566316
nothing wrong with the 'burbs, but that's not hip enough for millennials

>>133564142
The real question is why the fuck would anyone want to live in that liberal cesspool?

It's nice to visit once, but fuck living there.

This shit is happening everywhere
Zoning laws and foreign ownership of homes and buildings is driving the cost of rent and houses up
Look at NYC, Seattle, Boston and LA. Students with tens of thousands in debt will be paying $1500 a month to live in a 100 sq ft apartment

>>133566316
Most cities that had this problem demolished old low-density housing to build tower blocks for the poor.

>>133565867
>housing subsidies
>supply and demand

>>133566316
burbs still aint cheap
its all a shithole
fuck califagya

>>133566119
>its not demand, its just demand

>>133566315
Eh, there is an equilibrium in the supply/demand elasticity. But yeah, it's not necessarily logical, some will pay way over price for something and others wouldn't consider it unless they were getting a deal.

>>133564142
that apartment actually looks like it's worth $4000 a month, plus it's in a popular location.

>>133566119
People who want a high paying job usually need to move to a city. It's not about being stupid or smart, it's about necessity for the growing urban liberal elite.

>>133566556
if someone will pay it than that is the fair market price

>>133566514
It's more like inflation pre-fed and inflation afterwards. What should be and what actually is.

>>133566381
>70degree sunny weather
>San Francisco

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I live in SF. Pay $2900 a month for a 1 bedroom. It's expensive as fuck but I love living here. You can't beat the food. Pic related is my apartment

>>133564142
Part of the problem is that we're not building or developing any new cities in America, all the jobs are staying in the same places and we're just jewing up the rent.
I know there are certain cities that are growing right now (because of ex-Californians sorry guys) and will likely become the next tier in American cities, like Austin and Salt Lake. But still, more cities need to invest, develop, and pursue businesses imo.

>>133564142

>138K in frisco

Hopefully they're on foodstamps too.

>>133566718
What can you do in SF that you can't do in Austin?

>>133566556
Oh I realize I hyper simplified it, but for all intents and purposes, human economic actors have proven they aren't rational time and time again, although hell, even the term "rational" is up for debate. Is wanting to live in a busy city with lots of economic opportunity "irrational"? Is choosing a $5k a month loft when you make $55k a year and have 6 roommates "irrational" if you enjoy the comfort and are healthier due to the gym access and security guard?
Sounds like you could explain this a lot better than I ever could, my larger point was that value, cost, all these things are very subjective.

>>133566489
Which destroys the sense of community not to mention the charm and appeal of the city.

SanFranfag here. Housing is expensive but not that expensive. You can find a great private room for $1500 or live with a roommate in a nice unit for $750. Again, expensive, but certainly not as much as that clickbait would make you think, especially when minimum wage is $14 and there's a ton of jobs around.

>>133566316
even Oakland isn't cheap anymore. You're half way to Sacramento before you find something "affordable"

>>133566821
You can do many of the things you can do in SF, but there are fewer opportunities for those things in cities like Austin. SF has silicon valley right nearby. Anyway, isn't Austin getting pretty expensive as well?

>>133566871
>a great private room

>>133566735
Does it still smell like pee?

>>133566871

Bro, a 6x8 cardboard box in a corner is not a nice place

>>133566735
I've been to SF last year
Aside from the beautiful scenery the place was flooded with homeless. We have a homeless problem in Seattle but that looked minscual compared to the tent cities in SF
I saw one guy throwing pennies at a homeless guy talking to himself

I went to college in SF, and it honestly made me love small-town America.

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>>133565867
>Government enforces low supply by preventing development.

This isn't capitalism's fault, its the government's.

>>133566735
In less than 5 years, if you saved as much as that every month, you would have 20% down on this place: https://www.zillow.com/savedhomes/for_sale/106829415_zpid/1_pnd/44.633482,-84.721069,39.159882,-94.564819_rect/6_zm/1_rs/1_fr/

Even at their full asking price the mortgage is still less than what you pay in rent. Not to mention you could easily rent like half that bitch out and cover most expenses.

San Fran is retarded dude

>>133566975
By great I mean within walking distance of popular streets, your job, etc. You can live in a house with friends in Daly City or whatever and just do a 45 - 60 min commute to downtown and will have your own room for $900. Most young people have roommates here.

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>>133566931
>3 beds 1 bath 1,024 sqft
>$150,000

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6916-Pondsdale-Ln-Austin-TX-78724/58301486_zpid/

>>133566718
Not necessarily. Lived in NYC for a few years, bunch of the ones with good jobs came over from Jersey or LI.

>>133566727
lmao, no. What I sell you something for is not the fair market price, but what you're willing to pay. For example, nobody pays the same price for a car. But what's the fair market value in that case? Whatever the Kelley Blue book says?

>>133567254
Government exists to manage the movement and security of capital. The government vs business dichotomy is pushed by the kikes to confuse the population and split it into two camps as a divide and conquer technique. It also functions as a divide and conquer method for your brain when you see the government and business as separate and competing entities.

>>133566119
>the supply and demand chapter
I think we ALL remember the supply and demand chapter right goys?

>>133567379
wtf I want to move to texas now

>>133567308
Who wants a roommate?
How are you going to start a family?

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>4k a month
>apartment

>>133567556
Start it with the roommate.

>>133567401
>What I sell you something for is not the fair market price, but what you're willing to pay
If someone is willing to pay it its the market price
It might not stay that price for long but right then it is

>>133566735
>tfw you can rent a luxury apartment in Texas with 2 beds for around 1k, and it comes with its own kitchen, living room, and master bathroom

Wew, the Jews really brainwashed ya. Then again, California is filled with fags, atheists, and liberals.

>>133567304
Oops sorry: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1355-Lemond-Rd-Owatonna-MN-55060/106829415_zpid/

That's just one place in the midwest too. I'm a metrofag also, and after killing some of my spending habits and squirreling away the mad amounts of money I'm making on an entry level job, I'm slowly realizing that I could live like a king almost anywhere else in the country.

I'll take privacy and heftier cash flow with cheaper cost of living over an Avocado-themed breakfast restaurant any day of the week, but that's just me

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>How small is too small? Inside the 28 sq ft, $500-month 'pod' an illustrator built into his friend's San Francisco apartment
>Peter Berkowitz, 25, constructed a tiny bedroom pod in the living room of his friend's San Francisco apartment
>One bedroom apartments in the city rent for $3,500 per month compared to his $508 per month to live in a pod
>The pod is equipped with a fold-down desk, cushioned backboard that's slanted and LED lights for reading
>He believes pods can provide a 'needed fix' for people who want to add a bedroom to apartments without rent rising
>His eight-foot-long pod is also equipped with a sliding door and has room to store his books and clothing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3511431/Inside-eight-foot-bedroom-pod-built-San-Francisco-apartment-s-equipped-sliding-door-LED-lights.html

>>133567552
stay out

How about not living in overpriced shitty cities?

>>133567498

the goverment is a net negative on the economy

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>>133567379
Man all those fucks moving to austin fucked it up
Texas used to be dirt ass cheap for the whole state but property tax is insane

>>133567715
As Archie Bunker said of California, "All the fruits are a little nutty and all the nuts are a little fruity."

>>133567825
NOW THIS IS POD RACING!

>>133567688
>If someone is willing to pay it its the market price.
I agree with you there. As long as we agree that it's not necessarily a fair price.

>>133566855
>and security guard
u mad I live in a major city and I live in my own floor of a house for $800/m with a modest back yard and I sleep with the door open?

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>>133565867
>thread about government subsidies and welfare
>talks about capitalism

kill thyself

>>133566316
>Frisco
neck yourself

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>>133567379
The south is so underrated
Rate mine:
3 beds, 2 baths, 1525 sq ft
0.25 acres
$124,900.00

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/109-Talmadge-Pl-Hot-Springs-AR-71913/76161727_zpid/

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>>133566735

Going to be a eternal renter than buy a house or condo

>>133568117
what does fairness have to do with anything?
you dont like the market price dont buy it?

>>133567759
Its nice but not 750k nice in the midwest

>>133568185
How many hookers did Clinton fuck in it?

>Renting and housing gastronomically expensive
>Sanctuary state that receives over 100000 illegals a year
>High poverty and homeless rate

I swear sooner or later California will turn into the dystopia from Soylent Green

>>133568004
Great find. This is amazing.

>>133568221
>that is the fair market price >>133566727
You're the one who talked about a fair market price.

>>133568004
there is almost certainly something very wrong with that house that isnt pictured senpai

>>133568359
Meant for >>133568208

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>>133568315
San Diegofag here
It already is

>>133568185
are there a lot of spics in your neck of TN? I see more than I care to, disgusted on a daily basis.

>>133567379
That area is ful if the dirtiest Mexicans you've ever seen. Property taxes on that will also run you a cool 6 grand a year- seriously .

>>133568359
OK what is unfair about it?

>>133568221
Of course not. I'm sure the actual offer is well below the asking price--people get scared when they see housing prices because they don't know how to negotiate.

>>133568004
>tfw my parents old house in a bad California neighborhood was worth 3x that in 2008

>>133565867
This has nothing to do with supply and demand. The jewish have produced a business environment in major cities such as SF and NYV based primarily on services. These are not actual real jobs. Things like consulting and managing and support and all this phony shit. Sure you have coders and techie types but all they do is create tools to support this services bullshit industry. It's one giant pyramid scheme to launder money and waste valuable resources. This is a product of ashkenazi culture and stands to reason why we should seriously consider exterminating their race in the US

>>133568406
i hate sd. they also congregate heavily around the library, courthouses, and storage units. no bridge is safe

>captcha: choose all the apartment buildings

http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-nsw-mosman-125819518

TWO
POINT
TWO
MILLION
DOLLARS

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>>133568696
Well atleast they cleared them all out of Coronado

>>133568507
There's a difference between the market price and the fair market price is all. The disctinction needs to be made.
If someone is willing to pay a certain price, it is the market price, but not necessarily a fair market price.

>>133568689
This. And to a lesser extent, the State governments are HIGHLY to blame for alloweing foreign ownership of properties and landlords who lord over MULTIPLE buildings.

The realestate market is almost as sketchy as Big Pharma, except they don't assassinate all-natural doctors and instead invite in more homeless because they own all the property in the city and rent them out to boomers from Florida.

>>133566381
this. Let the free market fix it. SF is at cap.

>>133568689
this desu. i work a "makework" administrative job under contract and garner obscene amounts of money for what i do. the guy above me makes 83k/year with no prior experience in government and nothing but a ba in history.

we only exist at the facility we work in to secure a contract with the gov't for our employer. it's literally a money grab. they make no bones about it.

>>133564142
>What causes a jewing of this proportion?
Capitalism.

>>133568793
people shit so hard on the island but it's beautiful and the nogs/spics are few and far between, often are military and just there to drink

unfortunately the chinese bought up the hotel del coronado and things will likely be going downhill from here

>>133566461
>foreign ownership of homes and buildings
This right here should be illegal. It killed canada.

Jews, boomers, and chinks. All you need to know.

>>133568780
I've never understood this. Why is austrailia so expensive? It seem like you have tons of land

2.2 mill could get you oceanview property in some California towns

>>133566862
Nothing says a good ol' sense of community like a block of vacant properties owned by foreign investors for astronomically obscene prices.

But hey, keep it up, bud! I'm sure your first year sociology professor loved your paper on trotskyism.

>>133567825
> 500/mo to live in an indoor cuckshed
wow, that's way better then owning property; what have I been doing?

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>>133569083
>island

>bought up the hotel del coronado
fuck the del
I wish that jew Alessio burnt it down for insurance money like he did with his dog track

Homeowners are lobbying hard against new development (because it would lower property value), so there is a housing shortage. It's been discussed at large all over media. On the one hand, this preserves the city landscape, on the other hand you get crazy high rent prices.

>>133569277
A block of busted vacant old properties does a lot less than a hive of 8000 imports.

>>133569194
we have tons of land, but most of it is desert or plains. most people live within 50 km of the ocean.

the high housing prices are really just the result of our version of your subprime housing market.

the federal government doesn't want any new cities to be created, and it wants to bring in 300,000 people every year (into a country with 24.3 million people), so we have a natural pressure on housing demand. our big 4 banks are pressing hard on the housing market. i believe in some areas (sydney, melbourne) we have a 15-20% year on year increase in housing prices.

everything is going to go to shit, soon. just 2 weeks ago all electricity retailers hiked electricity prices, by 20% in some states. perth is already in the middle of a massive housing collapse. some people there are on the hook for 4 mortgages at once.

>>133569551
>a hive of 8000 imports.
You're misunderstanding. No one lives there. They're empty.

>>133564142
The Federal Reserve. Low interest rates have pushed all the capital to silicon valley.

>>133569598
thats insane.
>the federal government doesn't want any new cities to be created
why tho

>>133568185
I hate your cabinets

>>133569639
They're just getting started in my city. But city population has been on the rise, and the demographic and hence cultural shift is obvious.

>>133568780
I'd give Claudia 12 hours ifyaknowwhatimean?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrwmA0zAaNY

>>133564142
Chinese money laundering and Jew boomer landlords.

>>133568315
Don't forget Cuckservative Jesus Ronald Reagan managed to somehow make commiefornia even worse with his stunning incompetence of gutting the mental health industry. We used to be able to fucking put our crazies away where they belong, ever since his retarded pseudoconservative faggotry, they have nowhere to go, so they just prowl the fucking streets as beggars.

California is an interesting scenario in which both liberal and conservative politicians are entirely fucking useless and should just end themselves, for the good of the country.

>>133567715
>>133567304
>>133568204
Except this is where the good jobs are. I'll be a millionaire by 30 (seriously) so once I make my money I can bounce and get cheaper housing

>>133567041
There are a ton of homeless but they're good people if you treat them like people
>>133567005
Yes my street does

>>133569817
>They're just getting started in my city.
RIP your city.

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>>133569698
we can't even keep a prime minister in power for more than 3 years, the federal government does not have the power or unity to finance the development of a new city. the state governments are either extremely poor and fucked (WA, SA) or extremely rich and smug (NSW, VIC), and none of them want to finance a new city.

i doubt turnbull will be in power by the end of this year. we'll probably have abbott back. maybe then he can stop the planes instead of the boats.

>>133567825
Is this guy real? He constructed his box so his (((friend))) could rent it to him?
I'll keep my 4 1/2 pieces, 10y old appartement for 650$. thank you. I make 25$/h, 1hour from Québec if you wonder in what hellhole I live in.

>>133569904
Well, let's make a deal, shall we? We cut regulations and welfare, we'll give you back mental health investment. Deal?

>>133565867
>t. NEET economist
There are 800k people in SF county. This makes San Francisco not even in the top 20 in population density. Yet, it is more expensive than NYC. It is not a problem of supply and demand unless the supply is artificially kept low, fulfilling my "What causes a jewing of this proportion" question.

>>133566871
A room. How do you buy A room?

>>133570182
If you go on craigslist for instance it's not unusual to see an ad for a room for rent, particularly if it's near a university or some other situation where it's interesting due to demand vs. some guy subletting or buying a property and then paying the mortgage by renting extra rooms.

>>133566735
My master bedroom is the size of your apartment holy shit.

>>133570504
it's the price for living in NYC or SF

>>133570504
Maybe but except for the small kitchen I don't even notice. Why do you need that much space?

>>133568386
It's probably in the middle of a nigger warzone.

I live near Detroit, and there are tons of beautiful old mansions in the city proper that you can buy for a song, because you're surrounded by niggers.

>>133566461

The libshit human cockroaches will flee the cities or be financially crushed. More so when federal subsidizing of state income tax stops.

They will have to go take the jobs the illegals left and actually see how the other half lives instead of couch surfing off their parents or pederasty from their gay roommates or e-panhandling through patreon and indie shovelware.

Red wave will be permanent after an initial blue dilution when they first get off the bus in front of a Pennsylvania or similar industry job and experience their very first day of real work.

>>133566871
>a room
>for $1500

>>133570744
It is like living on fucking Manhattan.

>>133569904
Regan saw that asylums are not necessary when the entire population is already batshit crazy anyways

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>>133566894
>half way to Sacramento
>tfw my hometown is exactly halfway to Sacramento
It used to be a decent, sleepy commuter city, then got progressively worse. By the mid to late 80s it was infested with ghettos. Now it is a shithole with pockets of decent neighborhoods surrounded by section 8 apartment complexes and illegals. The housig fiasco in SF has caused a ripple effect pushing the trash further and further out until they hit my city, where they stop and metastatize. RIP

>>133570690
>Why do you need that much space?
why do i need a stove? a microwave will keep me fed. why do i need coffee? water and willpower will do the job. why do i need bakery bread? i might as well just eat sawdust bricks. why do i need a car? i might as well just sit in a room for the rest of my life without ever going out.

do you faggots not understand that maybe having something better than what you have right now could be a good thing?

>>133569973
>finance the development of a new city.
the fact that that's not how cities are built is your first problem

>>133566821
You can find a trap off the street and fuck it without being judged

I would like to thank CA liberals for voting against their ideology by shooting down affordable housing ballot measures for poor people. Loving every minute of CA.

>>133565867
>>133566770
It is literally supply and demand and it is literally caused by government building regulations

>>133571327
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra#Decisions_to_start_and_locate_a_capital

>>133566770
Why is this anyway? Wouldn't it be fucking great to just build up a Midwest white city into a real destination city like they did 100+ years ago with Chicago and Detroit. You take some nothing town like Cedar Rapids, IA which is all white, and move some big companies there, do some big development projects and let the migration happen. And naturally it would be all whites coming in for the white collar jobs. We could actually have a metropolitan city that isn't utterly infested by subhuman brown scum.

I live in san Francisco. For it to make sense you need a salary and bonus pay of around $300,000. If you make less than that I would live somewhere else.

>>133568004
Ok, I admit I live in the SF Bay Area so that price of $150K is cheap to me. How much cheaper was Austin (and Texas in general) before people started flooding in?

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>>133571323
But I love my apartment. It beautiful and made with a high level of craftsmanship you don't see very often anymore. Also I don't need much space become not home that often. The only time it's an annoyance is when I have parties. You sound jealous

>>133571478
>Although Canberra is the capital and seat of government, many federal government ministries have secondary seats in Sydney, as does the Governor-General and the Prime Minister.
>cuckberra

>>133571404
Affordable housing measures and section 8 projects and rent control make it worse.

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>>133571822

>>133566821

> not suffer from cedar
> not sweat your balls off when you walk outside for 2 minutes

>>133571601
what, no ooga booga cheap labor? Who's going to clean be the janitors and retail workers? You're not seriously suggesting we'd want our own children to be doing the entry level jobs and then have economic mobility from there?

Goyim aren't allowed to have that kind of prosperty or to build families and communities, let alone ones that don't embrace and encourage diversity. No, you goy. Competition is not allowed.

>>133571834
>renting
>posts a closet

No one is jealous

>>133568386

The rest of Ohio isn't in the photo

>>133571834
>being this delusional
lol

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>>133566735
$2,800 for a nice-ish studio where I live in the city. SF is a shithole and I can't wait to move in a few months. Fucking tired of dealing with innumerable violent crackheads. Lived in LA and NYC and the problem doesn't even compare in those places. SF is the biggest scam. Only a delusional person could convince themselves it's not shit here. Hope the Koreans nuke this city to the ground holy shit.

>>133571672
California was a mistake.

>>133571834
Erm, is there a kitchen at the other end of the main room I hope?

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>>133571822

I live very close to S.F. Wife and I make 400k ish a year and we are middle class here; truly in the very middle and on a daily basis we comment to rack other how insanely expensive it is to live here.

SFfag here. will give slow walkup.
>be me
>family income of 6 figures
>still in poor neighborhood
>no rent under 2k a month even in shittiest areas
>leftie retards living off parents money keep voting for subsidies and rent control
>developers only build high end apartments
>subsidies artificially inflates rent
>lefties do more of same
>only extremely wealthy can afford to send kids to college due to same shit
>wealth gap grows
>rich lefties keep flooding state
>poor people keep getting forced out of the bay
>am programmerfag, so I'll probably be here my whole life

send help

>>133567379
>off of Loyola

Heart of nigger land my friend, not yet touched by gentrification. I have a jobsite down the road from there and would not be a house here for even that cheap

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Ever notice how the rents are only high as fuck in sanctuary cities? It's cos 50 illegals can easily chip in $80 bucks for a $4000 1 bedroom apartment they all live in.

Jews love it.

Kek.

>>133570690
Because I like to sleep on my king sized bed and have 5 ft on either side so we can stretch when we wake up. Then my wife will take a shower while I brew some coffee and I'll relax with my coffee on couch at the foot of my bed and watch some morning (((news))).

>>133564142
Keeping the pajeets on the short leash.

>>133571284
t. vacavillefag
RIP my dude.
>>133566871
t. scumfuck who moved to the bay for techwork. You're the reason this place is shit.

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>>133572373
Of course silly
>>133572315
I really hope you're not paying that for a studio or you're just an idiot also I've been here for years and never had to deal with any violence. My best bet is you don't live in SF
>>133572153
k

>>133572862
END SANCTUARY CITIES NOW.... Rent will drop. Guaranteed.

>>133572864
I have a queen which is plenty of space for me and the gf. And a couch right across the room.
>owning a TV
Sounds like you're from a flyover

>>133573060
Even worse, Fairfield. Vacaville is still holding out against the hordes due mainly to strict policing and tight controls on section 8. It will eventually fall too.

>>133573101
Commiefornia is too liberal and now overflowing with illegals for that to happen

For it to fix itself it will have to naturally collapse

>>133573074
Aright, that's a comfy little 1br if you live alone and never really do anything there but eat, sleep, and sit.

But for $2900/mo? Madness.

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>build the most inefficient housing possible
>make it illegal to replace it with high-density condos or mid-rise apartments
>W-why does it cost so much?

>>133566316
bull fucking shit
NYMBYs motherfucker
you can build upwards
the city doesn't want to

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>>133566316
Definitely supply, dunno if $15M for a house meets your definition of "affordable."

http://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/9-Woodside-Way-Ross-Lowell-Strauss-home-real-estat-11283419.php

I do miss Marin, though.

>>133566222
is the correct answer

>>133566316
Yeah they do they just don't want to build a bunch of skyscrapers in established residential areas even if they could already tolerate a much higher density than townhouses or single family homes. Rich people would protest. We have a similar issue here in D.C. with our height restriction law. It keeps residential development out of central areas at the behest of the wealthy to the chagrin of the poorer classes.

There is too small a supply of high density housing in areas located near central work locations.

>>133573280
Sucks dude. What's even worse is when this bubble bursts the whole place is going to go to shit faster than we could imagine. Next major earthquake is going to absolutely fucking trash this place, and I have a hard time feeling sorry for all the rich yuppies who will die in the process.

I see you're posting form Japland. So, I'm either sorry you're a weeb or I'm sorry about the camps.

>>133564142
Want a redpill? As the world population increases the power of land owners also increases, why do you think all the land owners in Britain during the middle ages were Lords? Britain is an island with limited land and a high population to land ratio and thus the land owners gain even more power, this is especially true when the population starts getting more urbanized which it is currently basically across the planet. Landowners being powerful is not a new thing and was one of the cornerstones of taking control over the country. As long as people allow themselves to get cucked by housing and don't actually start making labor cheap again with DIY knowhow and true American spirit and elbow grease then, you will continue to live miserably under your pseudo Lords in CuckFrancisco

>>133573533
this
I really dont get why govt makes it so difficult for apartment buildings to be made
the only reason I can think of is that they have their hands in the property market also

>>133566316
>frisco
kill yourself faggot

>>133573353
I live/split rent with my gf of 7 years so we don't mind living in close quarters. It's really a great apartment as long as you're not a shut in NEET

>>133573653
>rich kid of the east-coast transplants
Fuck off back to Philly, loser.

>>133566461
> $1500 month
> 100 sqft
HAHAHAHAHAHA
here that gets you a room, sharing the unit with other 3 people, so your sqft are way less than that. and you have to interact with the fuckfaces
if you want privacy, start at $3500

>>133573589
Earthquakes, dummy. Earthquakes on hills.

>>133573226
Yeah no shit I'm from a 'flyover'. I'm buying a 3600 square foot house and mortgage + taxes is $1650 a month.

Have fun living next to a pack of homeless fags shitting in the street though. Don't have that out here.

>>133573768
The municipal zoning board, specifically.
If you agree to sell your land to one of their friends, they'll approve the rezoning authorization to an apartment building, or from farmland to residential.
Otherwise they will not do it.

>>133573946
you are an idiot
there are plenty of areas where you can build upwards
have you been to the old downtown bus station?

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>>133573983
I can sense the insecurity through the internet.
I sincerely hope you the best of luck n your life, hopefully one day you'll come visit and see how wrong it is to blindly hate things you know nothing about
Also go Raiders. TYBC

My wife and I live in UES Manhattan.
We pay $2,200/month for a ~550 sq ft 1 bed room apartment.

>>133574366
>f-fly-flyover
>YOU'RE INSECURE!
>[favorite team something cliched cheer]

>>133565867
t. boomer

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>>133574635
k

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>tfw you bought a 2000sq foot house and have $300 a month minimum payment and you're about to pay off the mortgage in a couple of months because you paid it all off before escrow ran out

>>133572767
Research Triangle Park, Raleigh, NC

>>133574273
You fail to understand the key issue. The problem isn't just lack of housing, it's also the fact that anything a developer would bother building is going to be high end because of the retarded rent-control we have here. Nobody would bother building low or middle income housing here. Even if they did, that shit would turn into a roach infested hellhole because of the subsidies for illegals and hoodrats. We have more fundamental problems in this city than "not enough houses".

Also, there might be a few places we can build up, but SF isn't going to be tokyo 2.0 any time soon.

>>133574635
I've been to flyover states. They're dull as hell and super white. I'm torn about how I feel about them. The people are very nice, but there's nothing to do other than jerk off about how the local highschool football team beat the other local highschool football team.

>>133574768
you should floss more, but good on you

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>>133574838

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>>133574948

> ITT: people who haven't looked at a map of the bay area to realize how convenient living in San Francisco is
> people who don't realize how much room there is in Silicon Valley and San Jose, yet the housing is even more insane than SF
> people who don't realize how inconvenient Marin is
> people who don't realize how black Oakland and the TL is

>>133573946
From your mouth to the gods' ears.
Just one good big quake would send all these fuckers screaming out of here.
California for Californians.

>>133567715
you dont get our SF pays though ;)

>>133575089
Wtf is the TL?

>>133564142
China!

>>133575482
Tenderloin, a neighborhood in SF that's super poor/full of homeless. Good food though

>>133566119
While true for some places you can't find a cheaper city near SF. I lived in Santa Rosa and had a five hour round trip commute to SF every day. Longer if I took the bus. And my one bedroom apartment was $1975.

When I grew up there in the late 80s to 90s Santa Rosa was basically a crack den with sub $300 rents. Shit is bad, glad I moved north and got out of the tech industry.

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>>133566871
>minimum wage is $14 and there's a ton of jobs around
Is this today's SanFag version of "Let them eat cake?"

"Let them rent in the Outer Sunset."

>>133575591
7th generation Oakland here: never heard the Tenderloin called the TL.

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>>133575892
k
idk what that's supposed to mean

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>>133576007
Just, I dunno. Are you like a realtor or something?
They always create these weird names for neighborhoods.

>>133576136
no I'm not even the guy who said TL originally I was just guessing for him bc idk what else it would be. I do live in the TL though ;)

>>133564142
I live 15 minutes from the new Apple HQ
Housing prices are high because of the companies but also because chinese real estate investors buy up all the property
People go homeless while the chinese keep their investment homes empty
I'm not communist but this shit is infuriating

San fran have laws against construction. They don't approve any dense housing and almost all new construction is low density luxury. They also have shit transit infrastructure.

Basically San fran is a shithole of it's own government's making. They zoned off most of the area so it can only be low density luxury housing. They also stop any new construction and it takes 3+ years to get approval. Any apartments/dense housing gets fucked by "muh view" lawsuits and such.

The only free market movement is out of san fran and into other cities like Austin or north to oregon/washington.

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>>133576265
pls don't call us san fran, it's almost as bad as frisco or cali

t. Native San Franciscan

>>133576261
wrong, you're just fucking stupid and made up that reason off the top of your dumb fucking head.

>>133575567
idiot

>>133575089
idiot

>>133564142
gentrification bruv

>>133576388
>>133576388
dont give a fuck, fuck you, fuck san franshit

the reason of the high housing prices is understood. It's not a secret.

1. Shitty transit infrastructure
2. Zoning laws preventing building of high density housing
3. Regulation of any new development, not allowed to build new shit anywhere and every place is historical.

This is all well documented and understood.

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>>133576559
k

>>133576398
No, the Chinese are buying all cash & over asking price all over the Bay Area.
This is a proven fact.

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>>133566871
>$750 for a unit
>$14 minimum wage

Meanwhile in the southeast
>only ~$7.50 minimum wage
>but a decent unit in an urban area with roommates: $350

So our minimum wage is over half of Cali's, but our cost of living is (roughly) less than half. Also:

>tons of jobs
pic related

>>133576388
>native san franciscan
>supports the raiders
why?
why not 49ers?

>>133576559
Bullshit

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>>133576607
zoning height map, yellow = can't be higher.

they zoned out the whole city and new construction faces longest in country delay from start to approval.

California is a fucking mess of a government.

>>133576660
I was gonna say

>>133576643
It doesn't mean shit. You are literally fucking retarded and so is anyone with the "china" argument on home prices.

It's the dumb white trash low IQ argument on this subject, fuck off.

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>>133566461
The entire bay area is in a housing bubble. People are paying way over the asking price on homes all over South and East bay.

>>133576749
Fuck off.
We're full.

>>133576708
Which part fuckface?

>>133576833
full of poverty, highest in country

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>>133576660
Fuck the 49ers bruv
my dad was a Raiders fan is why though
>>133576749
Hey I'm in district 5!

>>133576817
t. Chinese multi-millionaire mega property owner

>>133576749
>posts pic of just san francisco
>implying the housing crisis is only in the city and not in the area around it
Look at the whole bay area dipshit

>>133576852
The part where bullshit studies paid for by developers & realtors tell us we *have* to build mega buildings for whoever wants to live here

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>>133565867
You're an economically illiterate retard. Stop pretending as though you aren't.

>>133576907
>full of poverty
>god forbid we should build affordable housing

>>133566931
All I need to find work are hospitals or a Walgreens.

Don't have to deal with big cities.

san francisco needs to be leveled by another earthquake so they can fucking build enough fucking housing

>>133566735
>$2900 for that garbage
lmfao. SF is such a shithole. The weather is the only redeeming quality.

>>133577235
>yes, the solution to ending poverty is to support more of it

>>133577337
>San Francisco needs another earthquake so non-native pussies will fuck off
Ftfy

>>133566316
The suburbs of San Francisco are so expensive

>>133577006
The housing crisis also has to do with transit.. I've already said it's a lot of different factors. The local government doesn't address any of the problems because they get democrat party carte blanche and homeowners love them for driving up their prices.

>>133577099
it's well studied in all sorts of cities, vancouver etc. Look up studies on Chinese home prices/transit infrastructure too.

>>133577400
or make housing cheap i remember what it was 1200 for a 1 bed in san francisco in 2005?

>>133577400
>Yes, the solution to ending poverty is luxury condos

>>133577472
*waves magic wand*
There. Trust me, I'm an economist.

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>>133577341
lets see your place anon

>>133577526
Sounds more like it.

>>133577467
>Believing (((studies)))
I think you have to go back.

Again a common pattern in all high cost crazy price cities

1. huge time to get approval for any new construction
2. Limits on height of buildings/hard regulations on building high density
3. Horrible Transit times into city and insane congestion / failed or horrible infrastructure

San Fran features every single variable that leads to insane home prices. Couple that with the fact voters / home owners love the increase in prices because they make money off it.

The only solution to San Fran is to not live in San fran or around it.

>>133566461
I really hate that we sell property to non citizens. That's too far for me. The Chinese killed my hometown. 300k homes now approaching a million, and sitting empty. Also because it isn't widespread yet, lots of Americans don't know about the yellow peril

>>133577467
The local government doesnt address any of the problems
like the chinese investors

>>133577646
>buying empty houses is peril

>>133577538
point is people could afford it even if it was expensive nowadays theyre forcing people out pricing everyone that isnt rich right out of the cities and this isnt just san francisco its spreading. denver is at the sf 2005 prices

>>133577691
Even if you stopped chinese investment literally nothing would change in San Fran you dumb fuck.

>>133577715
You can't into economics or common sense

If housing prices go up, people build more housing. The way this gets disrupted is if there is literally no more space (island), and the transit sucks.

Literally, the housing price shit is always artificial. You can easily go to places with better housing prices due to better city management/infrastructure and that is how you solve these problems.

>>133566735

Your place looks dope, I dig the brick wall look.

Campbell here.

>>133577715
Shit happens bud. You can rig the conditions that lead to such a trend, but you can't just go in and defy reality.

>>133577905
then i hope a earthquake levels san francisco so they can build denser what the fuck kind of autism do you possess where a whole major city is only rich residents

>>133564142

Bayfag here:

The city government doesn't (or refuses to) understand supply and demand.
The tech industry is flooding the market with highly paid workers.
Chinks are eating up all the real estate, further driving up prices.
San Francisco itself is surrounded by water on three sides.

All of his combined and you have the perfect storm for a housing crisis.

>>133577708
Best part is they're buying up our country because we're giving our putting ourselves into poverty by selling them the debt they can use to recycle to buy what we can't afford.

It's all a massive asset transfer by the Jews.

>>133572862
this. my old apartment place got taken over by illegals, like 8 people stacked in a two bedroom, jumped up from like 680 to 1000 a month. In a couple years. fuck that.

>>133568185
Ugly cookie cutter home with hideous tiles and cabinets and Sheetrock, but it's big and good price. 0/10 and 10/10 simultaneously

>>133578064
Because everyone who votes, is rich, and don't like poor people. Hence they zoned every single inch of San Francisco so nothing new could be build except luxury housing. You literally have to move, there is no other "winning" solution.

>>133577765
It would help in a lot of places. Chinks are fucking shit up bad

>>133578136
Buying up houses in soon to be Mexico California isn't a big deal. Housing is less important than actual sources of income and production.

>>133578307
theyre not really rich if they only live in one city they can fuck off with that shit

>>133564142
>What causes a jewing of this proportion?

Supply and demand. SF has a culture AGAINST development (i.e. """gentrification""") and a booming economy that's constantly adding jobs.

It's basic economics that these commies cannot understand.

>>133578405
They've already got our production. Why give them our land as well?

It's the end stages of an empire when it survives not by plundering others but by inviting others to plunder itself.

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>>133571822
My parents purchased their house in 2003 for $250k. The house is now worth close to $600k. Austin has changed for the worse, unfortunately. I want all these faggots and cucks to get the fuck out of my hometown.

>>133577708
Go drink chink cum, you fag. I thought you Southern fruitcakes cared about this country. You like Chinese pushing Americans out of housing? You like them buying citizenship and flooding schools and jobs?
>buh buh but muh based asian bros and qt Asian babes,
Sorry but they don't like you and love to take our top jobs. You wouldn't know cuz they don't like your neck of the woods yet. They come for the money and create separate societies

>>133578610
kek sxsw fucked austin nashville is hoping for the same shit

>>133578405
You're just an Asian picking that flag. You don't trick anyone. Go back to r/asianmasculinity

>>133578610
333k from inflation alone, it's an alright increase.

Housing really just needs new building technologies and innovations that makes it cheaper combined with better transit tech.

Humanity in general aside from a few countries (china) is terrible at infrastructure.

>>133566735

Looks like the set for a gay porn sitcom.

>>133578722
Wait... are we being colonized?
Because this sounds like we're being colonized

>>133578722
Right on, Bay Area bro

>>133577341
I think the exposed brick looks nice.

>>133578722
>>133578884
lol

If Cali gov cared about affordability they wouldn't have the toughest new residential construction regulations in country.

You have about 10 problems before chinese money matters.

>>133578915
t. Chink

>>133578915
this is how shit needs to be built
>build light rail 1st
>roads 2nd
>houses
>shops
>apartments

too bad burgers were so god damn autistic about driving instead

>>133578964
Yes.

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>>133564142
>What causes a jewing of this proportion?
Must be the low crime

>>133579093
>build light rail first
>build
>first
>light rail

Honey! Get the kids we're going on the new light rail to have a picnic at the abandoned station and see if we can't watch them bulldoze some trees!

>>133579093
You play a lot of city builders don't you

>>133579285
fuck your kids the light rail is what made americas first cities but gm effecgively brainwashed your parents and yourself into thinking its outdated

>>133579415
Pretty sure that was more like horse & cart.

>>133579371
it makes more sense because the light rail would be designed with gradual curves and everything just built around it if it was already there first. seeing the ones in europe theres a lot of tight bends from following the ancient layouts of cities so a 10 mile ride takes like 40 mins

>>133579093
Wrong. The underground infrastructure is the most expensive. Roads/rail just need to be properly planned so that you have room and space for them in the future.

why dont they build commie blocks close the jobs I mean what kind of pollution you are going to have if all you got is services and programmers. It dont even need to be an ugly firehazard.

>>133579552
There's nothing to stop you from planning more carefully for continued growth. You don't have to build it first and then demand the city get built according to your utopia master plan.

>>133579662
nimbys like the cunts san francisco has thatll just vote against it

>>133579635
They have "protect the view" laws and lawsuits.

You can't build shit, if you try to build higher you will get assfucked by a million gay libtards.

>>133576265
THIS. Only it's nore like a 10+ year wait time. I can't wait to leave this area.

>>133579635
They do. Ever seen one of Google's new Agenda 21 research lab units? It's the upgraded version of the old coal mining town. It's just that getting payed in company script and having to spend it in the company store isn't as strict or obvious.

>>133579732
Well I don't know who wants to life in SF anyway. It's a hellhole. Why are you such a control freak?

>>133579868
because i live in the damn south. id live in sf if i could fucking afford it im not living in oakland

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Why don;t they just move to San Bruno, Daly city, City of Industry, Oakland, or san mateo??

BART goes to all of these places

Let me just reiterate. San Fransisco is meant to be this way. It's by design. The way to avoid it is to not live in San Fransisco. The quality of life in the city is fucking horrible as well. It's just a big name brand that people are attracted to but there is no real substance to it or anything special. Weather is nice but it's the same all over west coast.

>>133579093
SF already has light rail and the bay area has Caltrain, SMART, etc. Not solving anything except as another answer to "hmm where can I get high and panhandle today?".

The roads are complete shit but it's not the roads themselves, it's entitled people coupled with poor inter-departmental bureaucracy. When CalTrans repaves a road, guess what happens after the tar goes down? Think they paint it? Wrong, they have to subcontract out another department to do that thanks to the state government. So you get a paved road with absolutely no lane markings for weeks, sometimes months, before someone dies and complains enough for them to hand over the cash.

The sad thing is the Bay Area has a pretty healthy mix of people who like driving and people who like public transportation. It's the politicians who have continually passed the buck who shit the bed so hard that they can't make that work.

>>133579786
It's 3 years+ in Vancouver. I think San Fran is similar but that's for luxury low density housing. High density housing will never get approved or goes against zoning.

>>133579786
Seriously? Fuck off. How do yo think Austin was fucking RUINED. ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT CALIFORNIANS MOVING TO AUSTIN is less niggers and spiccs. But not anymore

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>>133574830

>You fail to understand the key issue. The problem isn't just lack of housing, it's also the fact that anything a developer would bother building is going to be high end because of the retarded rent-control we have here.

This is very true. The issue is not just supply, but the fact that the cities and state tax the living shit out of middle class residents, and then give that money to poor residents to take up space. Rich get taxed also but have the money and clout to still get housing.

Pic related, rent control has unnaturally altered the market, where affordable middle income apartments that don't require a lottery simply don't exist.

>>133579982
Well buy up properties to build your light rail on, buy the government to rezone it for you, buy the light rail, and then I guess with even fewer houses in SF it'll be more to your liking.

You can make $110k after a 6 week coding course so whatever.

Poorfags and retarded bitchcing ITT

>>133573074
You cannot find that for in SF for what you pay anymore. I promise. I've been apartment hunting the last couple weeks.

>>133580023
who the fuck thought it was a good idea to build a fucking grid of steep hilly terrain? thats the most retarded shit ever your roads are shit because theres no way to properly maintain it when the grade is god awfully steep

>>133566119
Traffic. Hours and hours of traffic.

>>133580023
I get chills whenever I think of checking how the California High Speed Rail project is coming along. I'm afraid to even look it up it's going to be so shockingly behind schedule and above budget.

I remember just laughing thinking about it years ago and reading the issues. I think they have gone through multiple leaders on the project because they all see it as career ending.

California government is worse than Brazil government. It pisses me off to know all the celebs and californian citizens are fucking mad about Trump, when their own state can't build a a fucking ROAD.

>>133564142
For years SF City government has controlled housing development to artificially low levels. Also, I love SF, but it's losing it's culture fast. It's becoming a boring city filled with boring young tech employees. SF won't be the same anymore. I can't wait for another dotcom burst, seriously.

>>133568386
It's in Ohio, that's the problem

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>>133576817
As a Chinese you might not be well versed in American geography and history outside of real estate bubble areas, but you should at least try to use a better flag for your slurs.

>>133580158
Road grades are pretty easy to handle to be honest. A grid makes sense as it maximizes space, but nothing else about the city layout makes sense unless you want to keep a city exactly one way for as long as possible. Which is the point, both for tourism and for city-level wealth exploitation.

>the city of san francisco has impeded new housing developments
>this limits future supply and heightens the price of available units
>prices skyrocket due to scarcity
>people blame capitalism for this

ok

>>133580273

High speed rail in California will probably never be finished. You'll have a route from Fresno to Bakersfield, and that's probably it.

>>133580310
you beat me to it.
you just nailed the problem.
only morons blame capitalism for government induced problems.

>>133580376
with major city traffic its not the ideal solution to have cars brake going down a steep grade you get those fucking grooves in the road from where the road surface constantly buckles

>>133579752
Yes we do.
So fuck off, we're full.

>>133580407
Well it wasn't Russia's fault, was it? Huh? So obviously we see yet again that Capitalism has failed us, and it's time to think about new things.

What if all the houses in SF were free?

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>>133580411
>You'll have a route from Fresno to Bakersfield, and that's probably it
But that's pretty much all they need, isn't it?

>>133580062
Take a deep breaths and try again. I have no clue what you're trying to say.

>>133580407
yes, the leftists actually blame capitalism for San Fran's problems meanwhile the local governments are in complete control of housing regulations.

if it was opened to a free market, literally every gay ass hippie building would be demolished in a week for new high rise apartment units

>>133580273
It's awful. I've enjoyed watching the SMART passage in the North Bay, which was approved and started sucking taxes from me over a decade ago and only just started getting built.

The original line was from Larkspur ferry building all the way north to Cloverdale. Now it's just from San Rafael to Santa Rosa with about half the planned stops. And it's already a year behind schedule and ridiculously overbudget. Not to mention they ALREADY HAD A FUCKING RAIL LINE EXISTING THERE and only had to slap some trains on it. They even built the new stations with bargain bin aluminum railings and concrete slabs. Looks like shit and will make traffic even worse.

>>133580411
Wait, a california infrastructure project is a complete waste of money?

Next you will tell me they built desalination plants that cost 10000x more per gallon of water versus just not growing as many plants.

You will tell me they could have paid farmers to farm less and saved 99% of the money versus desalination plants?

WOW, california is a retarded state that can't do basic math, this is breaking news.

>>133572315
I'm visiting SF for a week for work and I've had the same impression. Homeless nogs crawling around fucking everywhere, drinking liquor at 7am, drugs, everything. Sleeping outside of expensive stores. What the fuck is wrong with this place?

>>133580524
I have no problem with it. It's just important retards and low IQ libtards/conservatards understand why

>>133572767
>>am programmerfag, so I'll probably be here my whole life

that's bullshit. get a remote job, there's tons of them. you need to get out of this shit hole.

>>133580777
liberals. It's not meant to be a functioning city. It's meant to be a status symbol. Unfortunately they decide to make it a place with lots of tech jobs when it shouldn't be. They should move them all to lower cost areas.

I live in Northern California. I have a great distaste for and distrust of anyone from Southern California and the Bay Area because they pull this shit and it fucks things up for my neck of the woods, and then they come here to where it's conservative and spread their propaganda. I'd like to either see SoCal and Bay Area have their swamps drained or I would like to see NorCal get to be it's own state. Virginia and Carolina got to become multiple states, why can't the red counties in California become one too? It would hurt the blue counties and it would help you all in the long run by giving you another red state.

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>>133580115
>You can make $110k after a 6 week coding course so whatever.

>>133580952
I work in tech but I work remotely. it's one of the very few jobs where it doesn't matter where the fuck you live. that there's a bunch of tech yuppies stepping on each other to live here just astounds me.

>>133578137
they are trying to force them out by increasing the rent

>>133580952
We have blue collar work in spades up here but there is little of anything white collar up here which isn't a bank or a teaching position. Please send more techies to NorCal.

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Infrastructure thread now

Current plans are 1+ year behind schedule on this HSR

Look at California HSR initial plans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_California_High-Speed_Rail#Construction

By 2018: The Initial Construction Segment (ICS) is to be completed — 130 miles (210 km) — Merced to Bakersfield.
Provide faster service on the Amtrak San Joaquin train in the southern and central parts of the Central Valley, connecting with BNSF tracks at the north end.

>>133581495
>Infrastructure thread now
It's past the bump limit already. gj on your thread infrastructure planning.

>>133581082
1. Bay Area is Nor Cal
2. No one gives a fuck about your paranoia
3. So Calers and Bay Areans go up there for Chico State and leave
4. Fuck you

That is all

>>133577116
T R I G G E R R E D

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>>133581644
You guys are mean. Please consider not doing that. You don't know who I'm in touch with.

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>>133580115
>>133581148
6 weeks is too long?

>>133581082
Jefferson when, brother?