what does /pol/ think about Buddhism

>>133542142
Interesting.
Meditation would help 99% of /pol/ resolve their 'issues' but then again, so would a good mental health clinic.

>>133542142
Before I started to learn about Buddhism, mountains were mountains and waters were waters. When I started to learn about Buddhism, mountains were no longer mountains and waters were no longer waters. Now that I have learned Buddhism, mountains are once again mountains and waters are once again waters.

>>133542142
If anyone tells you fire is light, pay no attenton. When two theives meet, they need no introduction. they recognise each other without question.

so close, yet so far away...
being at "one-ness" with the universe is awesome.
trying to do that by escaping all the bad things (like pain and anger) is the obvious failure.

take it all in, either succumb or overcome. if you fail, try again. THAT should be buddhism.

>>133542142
Buddha was right when he said
>Anger is like a hot stone you pick up with the intent to hurt someone. You end up only hurting yourself.

>>133542142
Buddhism is one of the best religions (or lifestyle) you can have.

it's ok but a bit antiquated. we got psychedelics which pretty much give you the same shit although i guess it's like maybe they are illegals in places so until magic mushrooms are as legal as weed just meditate or break the law and get raped by a nigger, nigger.

yeah it's ok i guess it's no scientology though tom cruise can literally fly have you seen it?

hahahahahahahahahahahahah i'm not a robot

>>133542142
based, Budha had blue eyes

>>133542142

It's pretty based.

English materials could use some modernization, though. Preferably by someone that isn't a hippy for a change. Japan and Korea have material written by more recent monks that suits the modern era more.

The west has basically developed some hindu/buddhist because they focus entirely on the roots when buddhism is something meant to be continually developed.

>>133543704
you need to do more than read the back of a Buddhist book before you try to refute it

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>>133544798
thanks, Jesus

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>>133542142
>Mother dies of cancer, on her final day she passes away utterly terrified of dying
>This in turns scares the shit out of me so I meditate for 2 years because I don't want to die scared
>Nothing for those 2 years, then I have one incredible moment where the world is no longer inherently threatening to me
>That fades away of course, can't experience it again
>Get disappointed and stop meditating

I should start again. Buddhism is great if you use what's useful and discard the rest. I doubt Gautama Buddha himself would object to a foreigner not worrying about the culture-centric gods and demons that get wrapped up in the goofier vehicles.

>>133546849

Guatama Buddha was atheistic to begin with. He found value in the stories, but he didn't believe in worshipping something we couldn't prove the existence of.

It sounds like your main problem was practice with a goal instead of practicing just to practice.

Kind of like weightlifting. You get less discouraged if you don't have a specific goal and timeframe in mind.

>>133542142
Has been helping me deal with my Catholic brainwashing. I'm always in a constant struggle with my brain. Every time I do something non Catholic like, I lose it and my brain says, "Thats Satan talking!" I can't stand it. Buddhism helps.

>>133547356

Check out Meister Eckhart's (not Eckhart Tolle) writings. It might help bridge that Catholic>vaguely Buddhist gap

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After having studied it for years I can honestly say its not compatible with the ideals of the White Nation State, and specifically what is necessary to make that happen in the long run. If you are a typical libshit and just want to stare at a wall all day and don't care about the world around you, sure meditate all day. If however you want to see change in the world, buddhism isn't the path.

Nice religion. They are the only ones actively fighting the Muslim threat nowadays

>>133542142
the middle way is the only way

Buddhism and Taoism (and I suspect eastern spirituality in general) seem to be a lot better than the abrahamic bunch. I'm still not a fan of the belief in supernatural things, but they 1. Don't practice violent conversion of non-believers 2. Do practice healthy habits like meditation and the idea of life being a balance of order and chaos

>>133549105
then what is

>>133542142
It has much to teach humanity.

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>>133546849
Yeah, nothing should be taken on blind faith

And as for the cultural thing, definitely. All of the 'method' aspects of Buddhist teaching are kind of filtered through the host culture in a way that's suitable for the people listening

Of course, the teaching on absolute truth are not filtered through any cultures

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>>133547356
and Thomas Merton

>>133549105
>If however you want to see change in the world, buddhism isn't the path.
haha if only you could understand the irony of that statement

>>133547356
the distraction is satan talking. don't hold to "Catholic dogma". When it comes up again, just point out the fact that peods are running around in the damn catholic church and that's you you need to leave it behind for actual truth from God's Word, not some lying man pretending to ursurp authority and Glory that doesn't belong to him. You'll get past it anon. Keep trying.

>>133546849
Terribly sorry to hear that anon. If meditation makes the fear go away, then do that. The more you practice meditation, the easier it becomes.

>>133549105
Why would you want to change the world? You don't have that kind of time, focus on yourself. If you truly want to change the world, the only solution is to get into biological science, figure out the dying of old age problem, and then start thinking about ideologies. If you intend to change the world by going around and convincing humanity, you're hysterically underbudgeted when it comes to time, regardless of whether your ideology is buddhism or something else.

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>>133549541
White Nationalism needs rallying points. Buddhism won't provide that. Paganism and Xtianity already have, in their spiritual foundations, points people can leverage to create the change necessary in the world, and unite people. Buddhism *can* unite people, but in the west especially it unites people to sit around and do nothing, which they consider a virtue. If you are really interested I would suggest only studying Buddhism in so far as is necessary to pass a college level class on world religions, no more than that. So the 4 Noble Truths, the 8 Fold Path, the 3 poisons, the 3 baskets, and then the 4 ancient schools of buddhism and why the Madyamika Prasangika (middle-way) is the current accepted train of thought.

>>133542142
Worships Buddha who talks about self-disciplin and weighs 300+ pund
Give me a fucking break!

Very based.

>>133542862
Doesn't meditation seem pretty unnatural to you? That is my biggest reservation about meditation. Also seems all the westerners that jump on with Buddhism are Jews (google Jewbu) of pussy liberals. There is a distinct lack of good role models in Buddhism, imho.

>>133550435
White Nationalism isn't even a term that makes sense. Are you rallying around your whiteness or your nation? If you're doing it to oppose the hordes of islamic bullshit, counter their fiction with science and their angry/victimized feelings with rationality. You are superior because of your culture, not because of your skin color or the borders of your nation. Don't be silly.

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>>133550435
>Xtianity
didn't see that coming....
>>133550667
that's budai, not buddha

>>133551179
Meditation is about self-improvement, and yes, it is unnatural. Just as unnatural as not giving in to the enticing meal of a huge burger with fries and soda. Being able to control yourself and sacrifice pleasure in the now in order to gain more pleasure in the future is what makes us different and better than the other animals. Meditation is exactly that. You sacrifice 5-20 minutes of your time every day in order to learn to control, tolerate and maybe even slightly reduce your constant emotional turmoil, and then you can use that to act rationally in situations where you really really feel like acting emotionally, but where acting emotionally is a bad thing in the long term.

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The 'religious' aspects are of course ridiculous and wrong, and the ethical system leaves much to be desired with the exception of the concept of "sila".

The real innovation of Buddhism was a completely amoral areligious askesis, as well as much of its metaphysical and epistemological ideas.

It took the West centuries to abandon Plato's "essence" bullshit in favor of a model closer to anatta. So much of western philosophy is arguing about things that don't even exist, all because we took the idea of Forms and Real Universals at face value.

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Anyway just a few more cents to kick into this conversation - If you are still interested in buddhism and are reading this thread - Go read the Heart Sutra - and don't even try to understand what you just read, just google the explanations from high level teachers and Lamas. That is, the most condensed version of all of Buddhist teachings, which when properly applied, is all the entirety of all Buddhist teachings.

Some cool chants I found a while ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkRuARu9f0w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnxMDdfHB0Q

Enjoy

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>>133542142
>what does /pol/ think about Buddhism
Despite the meditative memes that the ignorant, "New Age" West perpetuate, Buddhism [too] is comprised mostly of baby blood elixir-of-youth exsanguinating faggots, diddlers, genocidal murderers and betas that cannot operate in wider society--thus hermetically seal themselves away.

>kill counts do not include likes of Shintoism (e.g., nips / WW2) -- a derivative of Buddhism -- or Genghis Kahn's "10%" of the contemporaneous world's population

>>133549105

Which type did you look into?

If everyone improved themselves then the world would change for the better. The idea is to improve your cog in the world clock.

>>133542142
They hate mudslimes too, so they're based in my book
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHrIqaI6YM

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>>133552566

Specifically Tibetan buddhism, with an emphasis on the Gelug linage of teachers. But I encorporated many other teachers from different traditions such as Ticht Naht Hahn and The eleventh Mindrolling Trichen, Trichen Jurme Kunzang Wangyal, which is AFAIK was Dzogchen which is a type of Tibetan Zen more or less.

Another video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOK8f7ZymDI

>>133551609
>The 'religious' aspects are of course ridiculous and wrong
Be skeptical but don't be so quick to throw them out, like Jordan Peterson says- mythologies hold a lot of truth

>>133551708
Gate gate paragate, parasamgate bodhi svaha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rA98liOZ4

>>133553058
That's exactly the point he was making. The religious aspects are of course ridiculous and wrong. The ethical or moral ones are worth looking into, however.

>>133552998

I would say to check out Thervadic or other branches of Mahayana besides tibetan.

I'm a fan of soto zen myself. It's more about finding an understanding and acceptance.

>>133551708
that first chant...

If you haven't seen this movie, I recommend it
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdB-B4s3gVM

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>>133553348
holy shit. LOL this is great!

damn /pol/ you never cease to amaze m

>>133551965
shintoism is not an offshoot of buddhism

>>133553458
>The religious aspects are of course ridiculous and wrong
huh? that's opposite of what I'm saying, but you're implying it's the same...

what do you mean 'religious'

>>133553058
>>133553458
Actually its not the moral, its the metaphysical.

Concepts like anatta, dukkha, and the Buddha's separation between askesis and morality as distinctly different concepts are interesting.

The morality [with the exception of the idea of sila] is pretty cucky.

>"Homosexual behavior, especially, is behavior that will put an end to nations and humanity. What does it mean by putting an end to nations? Someone who practices homosexuality will not care about their country, so that country will disintegrate. Homosexuals do not procreate, so the human race will vanish! This kind of behavior is forbidden by national law, universal law, and natural law. Those who do will fall into the hells no matter who they are. Every one of us must know this.

>People cannot be oblivious to the basic responsibilities of human beings, otherwise we cannot even compare to animals. Notice how animals do not engage in homosexual behavior. Some may argue that same-sex lab rats practice homosexuality, but that is because you force these rats. Has anyone confined you so that you are only with those of your sex and make you practice homosexuality? This kind of behavior defies creation; it is wrong. Cultivators must be normal and not psychologically deranged."
>-Chan Master Hsuen Hua


pretty red pilled

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>>133553510

DAMN-- Blocked in my country
what is the name of it?
Spring Summer Fall Winter and Spring?
>>133553506
I do enjoy the cultural aspects and Theravada is great. I don't have a preference and haven't studied in a long time. I do feel I have a decent grasp on the basics. Some of the Tibetan stuff like the Tantra was pretty far out and I didn't relate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v6y-pKDCFQ

>>133553893
sila IS 'morality', what other types are you referring to

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not as based as Daoism

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>>133542862
I was an active meditator for over fifteen years and let me tell you one thing: no amount of meditation could fix Canada.

>>133554011
>what is the name of it?
>Spring Summer Fall Winter and Spring?
Yeah

how about this one
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DedMgHTnbsY

>"The Jews are a parasitic people who are not indigenous" - D. T. Suzuki

based zennist

>>133554011
also, Tantra isn't to be stidied without a proper grounding in the foundations and without a qualified Teacher who you trust

>>133551601
Food for thought. Thanks, Sven.

>>133554157
investigate chinese zen, it's a syncretic amalgam of taoism and buddhism. sans taoist superstition.

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>>133554346
>Spring Summer Fall Winter and Spring

Its blocked but i will find it, maybe even find a torrent. It looks good mate. Cheers.

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>>133546553
Kikes tried to shitskin Jesus
Kikes tried to shitskin Akhenathen
Kikes tried to shitskin Mozart
Nice try kike.

>>133554011

Tantra is exactly why I couldn't do Tibetan. I appreciate that East Asia's schools are more philosophy and thought based that South Asia's.

>>133554645
>sans taoist superstition
but that's the part I like. thanks though, I'll give it a look

They first need to learn to pronounce it correctly.

>>133551601
> self examination and self awareness is unnatural
>t. swede

checks out

S'cool.

>>133554207
Repulsive.

I hate my country.

Buddhism is a miserable heterodox antimetaphysical doctrine. Fuck it.

>>133551708
vajracchedika prajnaparamita sutra is better than prajnaparamitahrdaya sutra just fyi

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>>133551601
This is exactly what I always thought meditation was about

>>133554528
Ya that is absolutely true. I never got very far into it and quit because I didn't have a teacher. It's doubtful I will follow that path again. >>133553510
I found a couple of torrents. I will probably force my gf to watch it with me
>tfw gf exists

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>>133554987
It has been long known that nignogs cannot into the universal oneness of non-duality. For even Confucious say. The nignog will blame his rice today for his hunger tomorrow.

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Absolutely beautiful...

https://youtu.be/S69Odyq2dXk

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Mongolian master of Kalachakra is here. Ask your questions.

>>133542142
Buddhism is the practices a series of brave anons who reached a realm beyond order and chaos and came back to shitpost in this timeline.

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>>133555285
The diamond cutter sutra better than the heart sutra? WTH nahhh bro. 1000 YEARS GULAG FOR YOU.
Actually JK I can't really argue that because I never read the diamond cutter sutra only the heart sutra. I don't have much if any experience with the diamond cutter.

>>133555953
Diamond cutter is dope dude, when u get gud it turns ur benis into a literal diamond cutter.

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>>133555850
I never really got far into the Kalachakra and actually have forgotten most of it. Isn't something to do with time?

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MODMODMOD
>I'm losing my goyim

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To anyone who is still reading this bread,
ok to be honest there is a part of buddhism that I think is EXTREMELY applicable to your every day life and especially when you are at work, and that is the art of Mindfulness. There are all kinds of buddhist teachings about mindfulness but is so helpful in the art of sales. Even though I don't work in sales (i work in IT) i have to sell ideas to people and in order to do that I have to remain calm and attentive, and utilize reflective types of listening. It helps in all interpersonal relationships as well. Just food for thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkoOCw_tp1I

>>133542142
http://www.bibleprobe.com/buddhatoldofjesus.htm

>>133556099
fucking this. i slayed hella white bitches reciting lines from the diamond sutra. gotta be in sanskrit though bitches don't like no weak ass english speaking nigga

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>>133542142
If all desire leads to pain then isn't the desire to not have pain a desire in of itself?

>>133555850
What do you think of tantra? I have a cousin who claims that it ruined his health.

>>133557111
This is hilariously fake. Protestantism was a mistake.

>>133542142
chink heresy.

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>>133551180
Getting real sick and tired of your shit, Swedistan.

>>133554830
Why do you think that natural necessarily means good? Living in skyscrapers, not raping people you want to fuck etc. are also unnatural things, but I think it's a pretty good thing that we do those things.

That being said, people these days would probably be happier if they were a little bit more in tune with their primitive side. Training martial arts once a week and making it a point to have consensual sex that a third party onlooker would interpret as rape are both things I fully encourage.

>>133554704
It's the same thing as designer babies.
If god send his son to earth why would he make his skin sandnigger colored?

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>>133557484
welcome to bhuddism lesson one pleb.

Bhuddism is a good set of tools but it won't give you any meaning.

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>>133542142
I like Buddhism but dislike most western Buddhists I've met. They seem like LARPers.

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>>133553348
That's like finding the grind core CD collection of Gandhi...

>>133558436
>Bhuddism is a good set of tools
For what? Its philosophy posits the problems.

>>133558024
I would like to get rid of all government funding of churches, synagogues and mosques, and encourge a culture where we openly ridicule people who believe in such fairy tales. Isn't that good enough for you?

Seriously, it's fine to Santa-shame people. Why can't I fat-shame or Islam-shame them?

It' not the sort of religion that would contribute to building a strong society. Buddhism doesn't posit any sort of creation. The universe is said to be eternal, without beginning or purpose, and never having been created, it has no creator. From this view, the universe is a supreme mystery, inconsistent, unpredictable, and (perhaps) arbitrary. For those holding this view, the only paths to wisdom are meditation or inspiration--there being nothing to reason about. But if the universe was created in accord with rational rules by a perfect, rational creator, then it ought to yield its secrets to reason and observation. Hence, the scientific truism that nature is a book that is meant to be read.

The source of the western worlds ingenuity is their belief in a creator God. Without this belief we end up living like Indians.

>>133558151
>rape is natural
>fantasises about cuckolding
it writes itself

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>>133557738
I do not think about it, I directly practice it. Well, first of all tantra is a quite dangerous path (if we are talking about high levels). I do not know what your cousin practiced, but a gradual practice with initiation from the guru and his instructions in very rare cases can cause some harm to your health.

>>133558792
He says he just read some techniques out of a book and tried them himself. I believe him about the problems desu, he has digestive issues, can't sleep half the time, etc

Any thing I can do to help him?

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>>133557484
Yeah, so let go of that desire aswell? Like, duuude, chill the fuck out man! It's just pain and death, man. Like YOU are disturbing the cancer, man.

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>>133553893
>the morality [with the exception of the idea of sila] is pretty cucky
True. Guhyasamaja-tantra categorically states that a Buddhist tantrist can kill any animal, lie, steal, commit adultery, etc., that any meat, including human, can eat. And the goal of Guhyasamaja-tantra is the rapid attainment of the state of the Buddha. The same goes for the other tantras, as well as dzogchen and vajrayana as a whole. What motivates this position? The adept of powerful non-dual teachings bears in himself a positive mystical and magical power acting on the living entities spiritually. The adept ennobles the environment and improves the karma of people and animals that have come into contact with him. From the transfer of grace, teaching, to the punishment of the unworthy, and the intersection with people in everyday routine situations. The more meat the adept eats, the more animals come into contact with his life, improving their karmic rebirths. The more human beings encounter an adept - in everyday life or in special situations - the more people improve their karma.

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>>133558665
I don't give a shit, if the border hopping, 70 IQ mongrel believes in one semitic religion or another.

>>133558453
>They seem like LARPers.
Every religion looks weird when its being practiced by people you don't think should be doing it. It's why Chinese and African Christians look weird.

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>>133559083
Take this idiot to the doctor.

>>133559632
Already have. Doctors don't know what's wrong.

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OM MANI PADME OM

>>133559632
That's the god of death, isn't it?

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>>133559710
Then I can not help you, I do not even know what was he practicing.

>>133558774
>It' not the sort of religion...
Buddhism doesn't posit that at all. Buddhism posits that the world is indeed rational and has a natural hierarchy. It's just that for the purposes of achieving enlightenment, dwelling on this is useless. The mechanisms by which reality works are rational and understandable but an understanding of these isn't necessary for achieving enlightenment (See: Green Lumber Fallacy). Hell, the Buddha not only told this to his disciples but outright told them to use

>reason and observation

to find the best ways of achieving enlightenment and to use said reason and observation to find out for themselves whether or not his words were correct. Buddhism doesn't posit a creator or creation because it's unnecessary. Buddhism is about alleviating suffering, not explaining the world. Every Buddhist on Earth has a creation myth, it just leeches off of the pre-exisitng pagan creation myths. Japanese Buddhists just use the Shinto creation myth. Why? It doesn't matter in the slightest what created things. Evolution, Yahweh and the Garden of Eden, Prometheus, doesn't matter. These things don't change how the alleviation of suffering comes about.

>The source of the western worlds ingenuity is their belief in a creator God. Without this belief we end up living like Indians.
Muslims and Jews were Abrahamic Monotheists. Look how they turned out. Hell, Ethiopians were Christian. What made the West a scientific giant was ourselves. It had absolutely nothing to do with religion.

>>133542142
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>>133559968
Third eye shit
also something with a mirror

>>133560157
Jacking off in front of it?

>>133559968
I might go to mongolia
can I meet you

>>133542142
You can have my non-attachment when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

>>133560243
lol i don't think so

>>133560065
people seem to forget that at its core, buddhism isn't about explaining anything. it's core purpose is about alleviating suffering. there are many methods to achieve that. when buddhism reached china and later tibet it merged with the local religions of those areas and yeah, it took ons ometing more about trying to "explain" or "understand" reality, now it's reached the west people are trying to link it with quantum physics or whatever to try and "understand" reality from a western perspective. but understanding anything about so called reality wont do anything to help you with your suffering.

>>133542142
That I'd sooner convert to Buddhism than to Islam.

>>133560423
when you masterbate you're really jacking off to your own pleasure so in reality you're a self faggot

>>133560764
ya that's why i quit
3 months nofap so far tbqh

>>133560423
Well, to find out, if buddhism is something for you, I have a small analogy. Imagine you are doing something, let's call it meditation. And the better you get at it, the more it feels like you are DIEING! And when you want to stop and get worried and go over to talk to the monk and you tell him that you are DIEING, he replies: "GREAT!! That's exactly what we are doing here! And everything that's dieing deserves to die."

>>133560065

What does it mean to reason and observe to find out if things are true for themselves? I'm talking about scientific progress. You can wax all you want about how "reasonable" your faith is but that's not even in the realm of what I'm talking about. Think of it like this, science requires certain philosophical suppositions like the universe being consistent in order for it to work. What is in Buddhism that makes you think the world is a rational and ordered place that is consistent, that the laws of physics won't somebody change? Without a rational creator I don't think it's possible to have this view.

The difference between Christian monotheism and Muslim monotheism is that Muslims don't believe in a rational creator, at least most of them. They literally believe that the world is not rational and that God can operate against logic and upend the laws of physics so they have no real motivation to engage in science. The problem with the Jews is that throughout most of history they have been too scattered. If you look at them today they're settled and they make amazing scientific progress.

>>133560851
sounds extremely painful

>>133542142

Wrong.

>>133560568
I think this comes from Abrahamic myth's totalitarian and all encompassing nature and people in the West simply having no other reference point; Christianity (and Islam and Judaism) are intellectually totalitarian so every other religion must be too. The East never had this problem. Who is to say how creation occurred? Far better to understand how to live in this life than to try and dwell on the next or what came before it. The Greeks and Romans knew this. There are many Greek creation myths. Does it really matter which is right?

Then Christianity came along. People blame Plato, but really, the problem stems from Ezra codifying Yahwism under the patronage of the Persian Emperor Ataxarxes (so as to solidfy Persian control over the Levant by propping up Israel). Even then, that problem comes from Zoroaster several hundred years prior.

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>>133559958
Not really, this is Yamantaka.
>>133560157
Well, this is generally some hinduism shit. Besides "New Age", so, your cousin deserves what happened to him.
>>133560279
Then give me your contacts.

>>133561232
>Well, this is generally some hinduism shit. Besides "New Age", so, your cousin deserves what happened to him.
You sound enlightened

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>>133561019
4U

Theravada is usually lambasted as being soft by the Zen people. I did lots of Zazen. Usually set my timer to 40 minutes. One night I forgot it. And I sat and sat and sat, until it hurt, until it burned, until it REALLY hurt, until the pain was killing me. When you think I CANNOT possible sit five minutes longer, because that WILL kill me and then you sit through it. And indeed killing it did, killed/dissolved the ego. Dieing into the timeless space of non-duality.

But even today it seems weird to me that what's supposed to be the most natural and authentic state, the reality of you/non-you, can only be achieved after great lengths of practice or outstanding situations. Meanwhile nine billion people experience themselves as those little ego machines 99.9% of the time. And THAT is the illusion.

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>>133559958
Oh no, wrong, this is Mahakala. I do not really understand the buryat's mysteries, it's their local shit.

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>>133542142
Most based religion

>>133560979
>What is in Buddhism that makes you think the world is a rational and ordered place that is consistent, that the laws of physics won't somebody change?
Well, for one, the fact that up until Buddhism came to the West there wasn't a single Buddhist tradition in the world that didn't have a creation myth. Indeed, even Western Buddhists who are atheists adhere to the theory of evolution and planetary formation so we could, via a roundabout way, say there STILL isn't a single Buddhist alive who DOESN'T posit some means of creation.

>Without a rational creator I don't think it's possible to have this view.
Sure it is. Hell, if anything a creator makes it impossible to have this view. Whose to say the creator doesn't suddenly change his mind on how things work? That's, as you point out, exactly the problem Muslims have. The reason the West flourished in the sciences is because we held onto (or rather, rediscovered) the pre-Christian notion of a rational universe that works under certain principles. Why does the universe operate consistently? Because it does. Does it matter why as long as it does?

I don't think you're properly understanding just what Buddhism IS. It's not like Abrahamic religions. It is solely - and I do mean SOLELY - a method of alleviating suffering. That's it. It doesn't posit creation because that's IRRELEVANT. Why doesn't Biology explain why the Earth orbits the Sun? Because that's not the job of Biology. We as humans make tools both to serve our physical needs as well as our spiritual and mental needs. Buddhism is solely concerned with alleviating suffering and that is it. In the East, other spiritual tools are used to posit creation. In Greco-Bactira the Greek Buddhists maintained their traditional myths about creation. In Japan they use their Shinto myths. In China, the numerous Chinese creation myths.

>>133561672
those patterns remind me of dmt

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>>133561681
>tfw too intelligent to play the game whose first role is to pretend it's not a game

>>133561498
>But even today it seems weird to me that what's supposed to be the most natural and authentic state, the reality of you/non-you, can only be achieved after great lengths of practice or outstanding situations. Meanwhile nine billion people experience themselves as those little ego machines 99.9% of the time. And THAT is the illusion.
Yeah, that's why I don't buy it. Buddhism has always seemed to me a sort of self-hypnotism for people whom life has wearied out.

>>133559545
Perhaps though I've never thought Christian Africans looked odd but that probably because I grew up in the black belt of Alabama where there are tons of blacks and most are Christian. The Christian congregations I saw in Tanzania didn't seem all that different than the ones in Demopolis, Alabama.

>>133561795
what's the zennist creation myth? i've read many zen texts but not once have they talked about the cretaion of the universe.

>>133559083
Take him to a proper Tibetan Buddhist centre and explain the situation, ask them for their advice

>>133561795
>Whose to say the creator doesn't suddenly change his mind on how things work?

It's crystal clear from this alone that you're either not reading what I'm saying or you're completely out of your depth. I can't have a conversation with you.

>>133553986
I mean I've seen a dog fuck another male dog and I've heard penguins have gay encounters too. Although I don't know if there has even been an animal that is 100% gay like our gays are.

>>133562098
>proper
Where to find one of those? Seems like something that wouldn't be located near me.

>>133561880
No. It's not self-hypnotism. Absolutely the contrary. But your interpretation is archtypical of people who only perceive it from the outside.

Maybe you should try it, if only to test it for yourself what it's truly about. - Just not Tantra.

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>>133560065
Buddhism seems reasonable when it comes to science, though there are some sects that are rather dogmatic about things science disproves.

>>133562192
anon, a male having sex with another male doesn't make them gay.

>>133562008
>what's the zennist creation myth? i've read many zen texts but not once have they talked about the cretaion of the universe.
That's exactly the point: Zen doesn't NEED a creation myth. Why does creation matter as long as it's been created? Why does it have to be created at all as long as it exists?

The Earth orbits around the sun. Does Biology NEED to explain it as long as it occurs? No, it's outside the point of biology. Biology was made to explain life, not planetary motion. Buddhism was made to alleviate suffering, not explain creation.

The Chinese themselves have SEVERAL creation myths (Compare the Greeks having a number of myths about how humans were made).

>>133561997
And why don't African Christians look weird? Because you're familiar with them. If you came from a community full of White people practicing Buddhism, you wouldn't think they'd look weird. But if you were born in Japan, you'd think a Japanese man practicing Christianity looked odd.

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>>133542142
Fuck buddhism
Now I hear trees fall in the forest even when I'm not there. This is annoying as hell. I want my peace of mind back.

>>133542142
Nice and peaceful religion, hardly ever causes any problems, the meditation stuff seems neat, and reincarnation sounds like a pretty good deal.

>>133561795
>>133562392
>Well, for one, the fact that up until Buddhism came to the West there wasn't a single Buddhist tradition in the world that didn't have a creation myth.
you said all buddhists have a creation myth. what's the zennist creation myth?
>The Chinese themselves have SEVERAL creation myths
buddhist creation myths? just tell me what they are

>>133560568
>but understanding anything about so called reality wont do anything to help you with your suffering.
this isn't true

in order to alleviate suffering ultimately you have to understand the teachings of emptiness which cut through ordinary perceptions

>>133562359
Buddhists are people too, and many are quite ignorant. The fact that the Buddha said to be rational and empirical

>>133562105
You agreed with me about this being a problem in the Islamic world. If anything, YOU are the one whose out of their depth given that you think that Buddhists don't have creation myths and fundamentally misunderstand what Buddhism IS.

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>>133562359
Meh. Sam Harris and that French biochemist translator of the Dalai Lama whose name I cannot remember really did try to force that meme. But in actuality a lot of buddhists can be dogmatic and a few poor Christians can be open minded and investigative. Depends on the quality individual for the most part.

>>133560354
(You)

>>133562332
That's the problem with this sort of knowledge. You can only judge from the present phenomena, but there's no reason to suppose that your phenomena have moved you closer to the truth. Every philosophical system runs into this problem, and they invariably end up turning the world into the self or the self into the world.

>>133562619
>zenist
Zen does not have a creation myth. Japanese Buddhists, however, has a myth about heaven slowly building up above an endless water, gods coalescing, and then them ultimately pulling Japan out of the endless sea and making humans.

>>133562894
Buddhism does neither. I could say now my experience was that it was like a curtain being lifted and that there was no ego there that had reality which could have divided me and the world. And that the flow of cause and effect was total. But I really do think you have to test it yourself.

Not sure, if it's more advantageous today since it got so crowded with neuro-science and fMRIs and all the rest of it. - There are a million more opportunities for distraction. Pretty much like with the internet.

>>133563079
I should note that this is the Shinto myth, as Buddhism again does not need a creation myth, it just takes the creation myth from whatever religion it is syncreticizing with.

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Sakyamuni Buddha was a true Aryan, a prince of a Scythian tribe that went to India as part of the Aryan Invasion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka

>>133562664
we can alleviate our suffering by understanding the emptiness in our own beings. but what i refer to is perhaps like an understanding of the first law of thermodynamics. even if i can conceive of this non-permanence i still attach to things which are essentially my own creation, and thus i suffer in perpetuity.

>>133562310
where is that?

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>>133563515
WE

>>133563606
so physics is trying to understand reality, but not trying to alleviate suffering. buddhism is trying to alleviate suffering.

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>>133563606
Dude! How is pain even real! Just like, dissolve your ego, man! There's nothing there that could suffer LMAO!

>>133563637
LA

>>133564107
The city that's 20% huwhite?

>>133564204
Shut the fuck up goy, your ego is dissolved. You don't care about race

>>133564107
There will be loads of big Tibetan Buddhist centres around LA of the main lineages

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I have a vnese gf who claims to be a buddhist but it must be a different type or something. Every buddhism i've read about is about buddha and meditation and not so much prayer or religion but a mental way to deal with material desires and suffering. It can be compatable with just about every religion it seems like.

Her buddhism is different. It's hard for me to get information from her because she's only spoken english for about 3 years and religious vocabulary is not something she knows; I've had to teach her stuff like "priest" "shrine" "temple" "church" etc; and she's never had formal teaching about her religion. She does not focus on Buddha so much as something called her "Godmother" whom she prays to. She does not meditate and can only pray at her temple. Buddhists praying at all through me off quite a bit. She does pray to Buddha as well, but there are many different buddhas, sort of like hinduism i think.

Does this type of buddhism sound familiar to any anons? Can somebody point me to a book or site I can read about it? From what she's told me they have no holy book I can read through. It's completely different that the buddhism I previously knew. It's a legit religion, not a mode of thought or meditation.

>>133564391
>>133564391
Yeah, but I'm assuming any buddhist organization in LA is going to be a meme convention

>>133564310
Yeah, well, it's sadly true. You can't escape politics anymore. At all. I was so fed up with all of it. Just wanted to chill with some Ajahn Brahm videos. He's a huwhite boomer liberal who went to Cambridge and shills for multi-cultrualism btw. And he just one moment goes on on how STUPID Trump is and the human race. And everybody laughs the smug liberal laughter. That was the moment when I probably finally realized: there are no enlightened masters, only people. And everything is evil charade, or self-delusion.

>>133564658
So you don't believe in race? Well if Buddhism isnt a set of beliefs but rather alleviating suffering in theory every Buddhist is different.

>>133564509
Sounds like an offshoot of the nichiren sect. Folks believe only reciting the heart sutra, or merely it's name over and over again, will enlighten them. And there also comes prayer into the game there.

>>133564599
nah, don't assume that, I get the impression there are good teachers in most big cities in America these days

maybe you have to travel a bit to find someone who is more experienced but there'll be centres that can point you in the right direction

>http://fpmt.org/centers/usa/#ca

>>133564509
she might be talking about guanyin or avalokiteshvara boddhisattva, the bodhisattva of compassion. many east asian buddhist revere this buddha and will "pray" to give them blessings.

>>133565006
I do not BELIEVE in race. I KNOW for a fact it's a reality.

I also prefer the term "the question of ethnicity and IQ"

>>133565271
That too, but there's a theory that the boddhisattva only really came into buddhism as an ideal when it got into contact with/cucked by Jewdeo-Christianity.

420 DUDE BLAZE IT FAGITZ

>>133564658
there was a big schism in thai theravada a few years ago where the OG thai monastics would not ordain women but the new leftist western buddhists didn't agree with it so they kind of split up. ajahn brahm was at the centre of this.

>>133565474
bodhisattvas go all the way back to the start. have you even read the avatamsaka sutra?

>>133542862
fpbp

>>133563667
WUZ BUDDHAZ N SHEEIT

Fo realz, though. The veracity of the Aryan Invasion Theory has pretty much been firmly established by recent phylogenetic studies showing that R1a-Z645, the ancestral clade of R1a-Z93 (the only clade of R1a in South Asia and is the predominant paternal haplogroup in upper caste Indians), was found in Late Neolithic remains in Lithuania and Poland. It's also ancestral to other subclades distributed across Northern, Eastern, and Central Europe. Aryans spread from the East Baltic into both South Asia and Europe.

It's pretty based

>Live minimally
>Be respectful
>Meditation
>no mandate to convert or force others
>against materialism, vanity, lust, etc
>No "higher being", the Buddha only provided lessons through an enlightened state, he never claimed to be a Devine entity, or that there is a governing one
>Not very centralized
>Actually integrates into society

Though I am not a believer in the spiritual, I still practice Buddhism as a methodology to my life, and actively meditate. It's brought me a lot of peace.

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>>133565193
I'm just googling so my knowledge is limited but that may seem more based in japan? she grew up in vietnam for her whole life and I don't know how prevalent it is there?

>>133565271
I'm really not sure, but pic related is the"godmother" she prays to

>>133565586
That's true. For all the lengths we go into meming the Jews, our boomer liberals can be literal (((international elements))) aswell. And after coming to /pol/ for a while I couldn't think, how this fucking white boomer had nothing better to do than to go and tell the Thais and Theravadas how to handle their traditions and values. Like he knows better than all of them. And it's not just that one issue. There's a lot of it.

Also: there is that ONE "Zen crusader" who is trying to guilt trip the nips about zen and war. It's yet again another white European, Brian Victoria. Pure fanatic. - There's something very defunct with whites. Seriously.

>>133542142
It's a only good religion. You guys must believe it.

>>133565768
I haven't. Still, they weren't regarded as higher than the buddha who went to find enlightenment for himself.

>>133565865
that's guanyin,

>>133565193
sounds like Caodaism, a Vietnamese mishmash of different sects.

Generally speaking, the Buddhism of the masses more resembles a devotional religion than an ascetic path. All the same, such practices (chanting, etc) have their place provided they are being done correctly and with correct understanding.

>>133566012
no one thinks bodhisattvas are higher than the buddha. they lay out the path for for people to acheive liberation

>>133565865
if you want to talk to her about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalokite%C5%9Bvara

>>133542142
It can literally bring you all that which you wish to experience through drugs.

But it's way harder than taking a pill

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>>133564509
Vietnamese? Probably Pure Land Buddhism / Amitaba

>>133566281
As I said: they do, sometimes. I've encountered it myself. That idea of noble self-sacrifice at the expense of your own, translated into buddhist hierarchy. That's a Christian thing imposed on buddhism. More directly than the Zen monks marrying as a result of the meiji restauration and the traditionalist shogunate getting cucked by burgerman and his black ship.

It can make you withstand freezing temperatures for hours. Some time ago i saw a documentary about tibetan monks that literally can increase their body temperature by meditating, sick shit.

I think that you can access and change every part of your body through meditation.

>>133566608
>That's a Christian thing imposed on buddhism
you're a retard. bodhisattva vows go back thousands of years before christianity was even a thing.

>>133546849
I really hope you didn't just meditate 15min/day like a faggot.

Do one hour at least. Also try meditating in complete darkness when there is complete silence. This will work way faster. (You don't need a special room, just do it at night, change your sleeping scedule for a few weeks if you can)

That small feeling you had is only the beginning.

>>133542142
Daily reminder: Zen Buddhism is literally the Mormonism of Buddhism with all of it's alternate history and bizarre beliefs. It's fucking hilarious watching all these cumskins follow Zen Buddhism. Imagine a bunch of Asians walking around in cowboy hats and I LOVE NY t-shirts and thinking that they know about America. That's how ridiculous white Zen Buddhists look.

t. Theravada Buddhist

Monks go round spouting mostly nonsense, can't feed themselves so the poor as shit people in the community have to feed them.
Like all religions it's pretty much just anti-progressive. Accept life for what it is not how we can better it.
That was my take on it when travelling in SEA. At least there doesn't seem to be rampant pedophilia, like most of the others

>>133566940
>Accept life for what it is
that's exactly the teaching of Buddhism

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>>133566841
For the milionth time: regarding the bodhisattva as HIGHER and the concept I explained is inherently Christian.

>>133566932
I agree with you about one thing: you do sound like the average Theravada buddhist I encountered.

>>133554207
Wtf

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>>133566932
Buddhism and Zen Buddhism was invented by 2 Aryan north Indians your a moron in every way.

>>133562749
Mattheiu Ricard, I believe.

>>133550435
>choosing your metaphysical understanding of the universe based around your pre-existing political beliefs
This is one of the dumbest alt-right memes.

>>133563079
>Zen does not have a creation myth.
thank you. close the door on your way out.

>>133562749
And there are situations such as the one in Myanmar where three people were sent to prison for making an online advertisement that showed Buddha wearing headphones, which was considered sacrilegious. Doubt many Buddhist would find such punishment appropriate but that particular sect does. Just part of being humans.

>>133569974
it's what happens when get the state involved. all of the horrible things which happened in buddhist majority countries were a result of state involvement, not because of the tenets of the religion.

>>133570129
Likely true. Mixing the power of the state and the power of religion together is usually a nasty situation.

>>133542142
Practicing taoism is the real red pill.

>>133571281
i see what you did there...

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>>133542142
>

Buddha: "If you're so smart why can't you stop thinking, hmm?"

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Been Buddhist for 20 years it is the ultimate red pill

The Sutra on Totality

Monks, I will teach you the totality of life. Listen, attend carefully to it and I will speak.

What, monks, is totality ?

It is just the eye
with the objects of sight,
the ear with the objects of hearing,
the nose with the objects of smell,
the tongue with the objects of taste,
the body with the objects of touch
and the mind with the objects of cognition.

This, monks, is called totality.

Now, if anyone were to say, “Aside from this explanation of totality, I will preach another totality,” that person would be speaking empty words, and being questioned would not be able to answer. Why is this ? Because that person is talking about something outside of all possible knowledge.

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"Although there is a sharp distinction between authentically Buddhist values and those of contemporary society, a troublingly large proportion of Western Buddhists seem not to have noticed this. As a result, they unquestioningly accept our dominant political and ethical paradigms. Anyone who needs any confirmation of this last point need only look at the major Buddhist journals on sale today or visit most Buddhist centres attended by Westerners. I have even heard some individuals, who are known as teachers in the USA, declare that Buddha’s account of suffering is incomplete and that its deficiencies must be made up for by accepting the superior analyses proffered by political ideology. While one might expect this from a non-Buddhist, one has to ask how such a person can take themselves seriously as a Buddhist, let alone as a teacher of Buddhism. "

>>133573323
Trendies will be trendies. I've met "Buddhists" irl that believe wishful thinking and positive thought alone will bend the will of other people and the whole universe in their favor. We can't expect everyone to get it right all of the time.

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Buddhism is nice, but for all it's talk it is less about building a good society and helping others realistically than it is being happy with whatever and making the motions of helping with good intentions. It's also suicide in a society with niggers and mudshit.

It's a nice religion, but is not going to last in a world of turmoils.

The white religion should be simple: philosophy, with a Greek base, and ancestor worship for spiritual and esoteric connection to our people and ancestors. Set up a small altar with pictures of your dead parents and grandparents, and some candles and such. Pray to them. Meditate on things(meditation is an older word than Buddhism, read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius)

>>133542142
Another retard cunt named Budha who thought copying a religion(Hindu) was a good idea.
Fuck off all you cunt religious people.

>>133574307
>Do what?
Poo.
>but where?
In loo.

>>133574192
>the white religion should be simple: literally chinese confucianism

>>133574428
FUck you your mother was a whore who got blakcked and proabbly had 10 bfs before your cuck father put you in her vagina. Eat shit

>>133575374
Is this what Hinduism looks like? No thanks, India. Happy pooping my friend.

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>>133551179
>Doesn't meditation seem pretty unnatural to you?
No. The human brain needs some sort of "maintenance". TV, internet and other garbage is really taxing on us. We're starting to degrade. We're impulsive, thoughtless and angry.

Also, explain exactly why you think it's "unnatural" that's a very exact word you're using and I want to know what your full meaning is.

>Also seems all the westerners that jump on with Buddhism are Jews (google Jewbu) of pussy liberals. There is a distinct lack of good role models in Buddhism, imho.
People in the West don't know shit about Buddhism. They think if they buy a Buddha head at Pier1 they are a Buddhist now. Also "a lack of role models" is very Buddhist. It's not about worshiping or idolizing any individuals.

>>133575816
Accept your mother was whore then you shall see your life blossom.

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>>133574735
More like the house shrine in Roman or Greek or Egyptian times.

Or literally every civilization in the world which hadn't gotten kiked into Oblivion. Ancestor worship is the world wide base religion. Rather than pray to some Israeli tribal god you pray to your own ancestors and people. And chinks and abbos and everyone else does the same.

You foster a connection to your history, your family, your race, your culture, your place in the world, your duties, your honor, and your legacy.
It is the only redpilled spirituality.

>>133575816
How sad you don't look inside of you and are always interested in outside world. You see all the problems outside me not pooing in loo is what you see but you don't see that your society is shit. You failed to preserve your religion. You have put virgin mary down the toilet. You failed to control your women and look what are you now.

>>133575374
>Eat shit
Shit is pretty much the focus of Indians, huh? Look like shit, smell like shit, talk shit, shit everywhere like savages...do you know how good you had it when the English ruled you?

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>>133549744
>bhikshu
>Sanskrit
disgusting. You know the real language of the Buddha was Pali? Traditions that use Sanskrit are anachronistic. They're just trying to seem older than they are

>>133542142
Just another religion that has made zero progress in the last 2,000 years.

>>133550667
>Worships Buddha
No one worships Buddah.

>>133575917
>Also, explain exactly why you think it's "unnatural"
Just that we are a prey animal, and spending all that time with your eyes shut seems at odd with continuing to see the sun rise. Although, as I understand it, meditation is the training of attention while maintaining peripheral awareness, so you wouldn't be 'switched off' or anything.
> Also "a lack of role models" is very Buddhist. It's not about worshiping or idolizing any individuals.
Perhaps I worded that poorly. Lack of teachers that instill confidence would maybe be my point. Everything is for sale here, and it seems many of these teachers or examples don't want to make many waves. I don't really know what am I talking about; it is just my interpretation of what little I have been exposed to.

>>133576231
I see all of these things that you've listed. On an individual level it is absolutely impossible for me to change the actions other men and women have made in the past, and the actions other men and women are making right now. The desire and expectation to see a perfect world that serves your individual ideals is driving you mad my friend. You would do well to start by improving yourself first and foremost, as that is something you are actually very capable of doing.

>>133576840
thanks not impressed you are still not concentrating enough a disciplined muslim is better than a disoriented pride mouth

>>133576639
he looks at the finger mistaking it for the moon.
better luck next life, icchantika.

>>133576811
>Lack of teachers that instill confidence would maybe be my point
there are many, many, MANY historic Buddhist scholars. What you are probably experiencing is that it doesn't translate well to the West.

Again, we have a lot of stupid women who decorate their whorepads with Buddha heads, and that's as far as Buddhism penetrates the culture.

>>133542142
Buddhism + Sinto is the best.
Japanese takes the way.

>>133577620
I agree. I really like the way the Japanese handle that part of their culture.

I've been to many temples and shrines in Japan.

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Meditation in a temple can be comfy as fuck though

>>133576811
>Just that we are a prey animal, and spending all that time with your eyes shut seems at odd with continuing to see the sun rise. Although, as I understand it, meditation is the training of attention while maintaining peripheral awareness, so you wouldn't be 'switched off' or anything.
I think humans need something like meditation and "discovering" it is a lucky break. While we are predators, predation isn't exactly a full-time job. We don't need to spend all of out free time hunting either now or in the stone age. We had idle time and very unusual brains that did lots of thinking.

Meditation allows the brain to relax and contemplate. Being human is very bothersome. We make it so much harder for ourselves than things need to be.

>>133577121
You believe you know a lot about me off of no actual substance. Disoriented? Prideful? These are not things that can always be properly sensed through simple text on an anonymous messaging board. I'm just writing and making statements here.

I've been toying with starting a new religion called Yellow Shariah. It's basically Islam except with Buddha instead of Allah. Also, you can eat pork.

Basically, you get all the benefits of Islam (religious fervor, intolerance of degeneracy, women get put in their place) and none of the drawbacks (worshipping a goatfucker, not being able to eat delicious pork).

What do you guys think?

>>133579210
I think you should go play in traffic.

>>133579210
I think this is a product of autism.

>>133566940
>At least there doesn't seem to be rampant pedophilia
that's where you're wrong, kiddo. Molymeme talks about it in a video about the Dalai Lama

>>133579210
sounds like hitlerism. which is good. I approve

>>133576219
this man knows.

the rest of you can read Fustel de Coulanges classic study:
https://socserv2.socsci.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/fustel/AncientCity.pdf

>>133576639
you know that's bullshit, right?
talk about buying wholesale into makey-uppy historiography and sectarian nonsense.

>>133579210

I strangely approve. It's just fucked up enough that people will flock to it in droves.

Make sure you throw the whole Scientology money angle in, too, though. Gotta feed the shamans, as it were.

>>133577287
Why would you not choose the original though?

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>>133542142
they burn in hell

>>133581219
why?

>>133542142
Atheism for people that like statues and being a moderate faggot.

>>133580817
>original...
>implying there weren't Buddhas prior to Sakyamuni
>implying the Buddha wasn't enlightened by recollecting the teachings he received in previous lives
>implying anything other than Vinaya might be construed as the original teaching of Sakyamuni himself
>implying late 19th-century Burmese-Thai inventions date back to 1000 BC

you need to either do more study and stop hanging around with your little hinayana fundamentalist friends, or give up shitposting on anonymous pastaboards.
Choose one.

>>133549811
Thomas Merton is my nigga.

>>133580143
It is not bullshit. Sanskrit was already a fossilized language at the time of the Buddha. Why the fuck would he preach in a classical, prestigious, HINDU liturgical language? It would be like the Book of Mormon being written in Latin.

>>133581397
>implying were other Buddhas with ZERO evidence
>believing in literal reincarnation with ZERO evidence
>strawmanning 1000 BC when "Gautama Buddha (c. 563 BCE/480 BCE – c. 483 BCE/400 BCE)"

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>>133542142

>>133549502
Of course a Swedish cuck would say that.

>>133542142
>Walks into a pizza place.
>"can you make me one with everything?"

>>133554207
Yea I can't even comprehend this, and I know that this is coming to burgerland very soon.(If it hasn't already).

>>133581397
btw I have no Buddhist friends. I became this way on my own

>>133582689
"We're already one with everything, sir."

>>133581789
>doesn't know what Prakrits are.
OK...
>>133582117
there are suttas that mention previous Buddhas. >In the Pali Canon.
>Oops...
>doesn't believe in reincarnation yet calls itself Buddhist.
Right...
as for the dates, there are various traditions, the 1k figure was just an approximation, just like all the crap you've posted here, so I'm sure you wouldn't mind...

>>133585650
Where in the Pali Canon are other Buddhas mentioned?

>>133585650
And the Mahayana scriptures are not written in any Prakrit, friend

>>133542142
from my point of view you guys are wrong, but ok
t. Christian

>>133543055

Best post

>>133586951
strawman: no one claimed mentioned Mahayana scriptures were written in Prakrit, or being "original" in the historicist sense that you seem set upon. (only one interpretation among many possible.)

>>133586763
who is Dipamkara then?
Quote=Malcom: "If you read the Majjihma Nikaya, there is a sutra there where the Buddha gives an account of his awakening, describing in some detail that he recalled the view of dependent origination in the recollection of his myriad past lives, with which he attained buddhahood."
Source= https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=102

>>133587912
sorry, full link is https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=25902

>>133542142
>what does /pol/ think about Buddhism

The quest for non-attachment serves one well in overcoming mind control techniques and technologies.

>>133587912
What other interpretation could there possibly be of "original"???
Then what do Prakrits have to do with anything? Dipankara is a hallucination/metaphor/allegory. Not a historical person.

>>133588716
Yes, you're right. Are these the only things you are after?

>>133588823
your ignorance and attachmentto mere historicism is rather sad, and I don't mean that in a condescending way. It's symptomatic of the ravages of so-called protestant Buddhism, the worst thing to happen since the Muslims invaded India. Or the Communists.

Read the posts by Malcolm "Lordman", who incidentally, is an Acarya, if that means anything to you.

>>133589132
>Read the posts by Malcolm "Lordman", who incidentally, is an Acarya, if that means anything to you.
>How could there be an "original" Buddhism? I have read somewhere many years ago that existence of Kanakamuni's disciples was reported during the time of Gautama. Then there is Buddha's metaphor of discovering an ancient, forgotten city in the jungle...
Is this supposed to be convincing? It sounds like he knows his version of Buddhism is far from the original, so if he isn't following the original, then no one is!
Also the rest of your post is just ad hominem

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>>133542142
Interesting, this was last posted a month and a day ago. Also, a few hours later, the custom flags were brought back. What sorcery is this?

>>133551965
Source on the data

Also genghis was a tengriist not a buddhist u scrub

>>133589774
>What sorcery is this?
Autism

>>133551965
At the risk of sounding like a muslim, Buddhists would never kill a bunch of innocent people, as the Buddha really really really preached against violence.

>>133590102
The file name is the same, too, someone is having fun with this...

>>133589738
I think you're missing the point: you're taking a very literal, very human, very historical view of something that goes beyond these limits.

Theravadan claims to antiquity may be true in terms of ordination, in terms of pretty much anything else they are extremely dubious and in many cases demonstrably false (meditation, notably, both in Burma and Sri Lanka).

>>133590182
no
true
scotsman

>>133547305
Teach me based gook.

>>133551196
Budai isn't buddha

>>133590263
>something that goes beyond these limits
What does that even mean?
>demonstrably false (meditation, notably, both in Burma and Sri Lanka).
links pls

>>133542142
Hinduism for Plebs

>>133590424
Links? Please google yourself Ajahn Mun's lineage (Thailand) and the Goenka lineage, among others, but here's a start.
https://www.anthro.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/anthro/documents/media/jaso21_2_1990_113_128.pdf
https://vividness.live/2011/07/07/theravada-reinvents-meditation/

>>133590424
>>something that goes beyond these limits
you're assuming Buddhadharma is bound by conventional archeology or textual studies.

>It isn't.

I am guessing that you do not belong to any regular school of Buddhism, otherwise you would not be speaking the way you are now.

>>133590267
I don't think it's a logical fallacy to say that people who go against major teachings of a religion can't be considered of that religion. Of course, religions tend to have a clusterfuck of unintegrated and contradicting ideas, which is why they split into a bunch of sects with scholars disagreeing on everything. As far a violence in Buddhism goes though, a "Buddhist murderer" makes as much sense as a "muslim atheist."

>>133590635
What do you think of Vipassana?

>>133590921
gesundheit

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>>133542142
one of the biggest collection of homosexuals outside of the roman catholic church

>>133590796
>Buddhadharma isn't bound by conventional archeology or textual studies.
What did he mean by this?

>>133590814
we've already had this conversation recently, you need to read up on this problematic issue, and can begin with the crap wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence and follow that up with these 2 books (available on Libgen, lest we forget) Buddhist and Warfare and Buddhism Violence.

>>133591293
doh, got the conjunctions tarded up: "Buddhist Warfare" and "Buddhism and Violence"

>>133590921
It's alright the goenka fellow is kind of sketchy but as most of their text is online you can learn it yourself it certainly helps with concentration

>>133543704
>i don't understand even the fundamentals of Buddhism
>let me tell you what Buddhism should be

>>133591293
>>133591363
Thanks for the references.

The part that doesn't make sense to me is prohibiting people from working in the area of weapons, I mean, how are we supposed to defend ourselves from evil people if we don't have good weaponsmiths? This would have been a valid point in the Buddha's day as much as today.

From
my
cold
dead
hands

>>133591514
Thanks, Goenka seems to be all over it even though it's supposedly an ancient practice that he just "reintroduced" (whatever that means), however I am still very interested. I just don't want to get burned out by following too many false paths.

>>133591881
this is also a bit tricky. Naturally, there will always be butchers, prostitutes, drug dealers and other unscrupulous types around, whether legal or illegal, but for a practitioner it is best to avoid these occupations if at all possible.

The question of warfare and weaponry is of course debatable, just look at the materials we linked to just now.

Also, some doctrines, like that of killing icchantikas being blameless, do not seem to have taken off anywhere really (Japanese WW2 era Buddhists used a different explanation as I recall).

>>133593007
Thanks for taking the time to answer.

>>133542142
I'm a Deist, but Buddhism is my favorite of the major world religions.

>>133592161
with respect this whole "reinvention" of tradition, it's something one comes across in pretty much each and every single school of Buddhism, despite what they say, whether Theravada, Chinese, Japanese, Tibetan, etc. But that doesn't matter. The important thing is to find a good teacher and a good practice that fits you and to stick to that. You can't go wrong with Anapansati breathing meditation (all schools use it, but there are differing explanations). Give that a concentrated shot and see how you go.

>>133593706
Thanks for the tip, anon, I really appreciate it. I like how I can get the real low-down on /pol/ because in "real life" everyone is too polite and politically correct.

>>133594336
you're welcome. Some people respond better to guided meditations than book instructions so here's a bunch I put together from a few different teachers, all more or less the same - breathing, mindfulness, body scan, etc. Give them all a try for a few weeks and see what clicks, then stick with that for a few months. http://www.mediafire.com/file/9avnnk9e5180bon/Meditation.zip
>inb4 "don't open the zip file" fags get started.
Also, this rather short PDF is quite clear and helpful: http://www.meditationexpert.com/ebok/howtomeditate.pdf

>>133594873
Thanks, I got the recordings.

You know Mindah-Lee Kumar (The Enthusiastic Buddhist)? I don't want to link to her here to risk a flood of "14/88 whole milk" on her channel. She tries explaining the concepts to beginners, I believe she's in the Tibetan school, now she's trying to put together an online community and charging money for it, not everyone is happy about that.

>>133542142
Which resources do the Buddhists of /pol/ recommend?

>>133595676
never heard of her. But on the topic of money, it's something many so-called western Buddhists don't want to face since they think, crypto hippies that they are, that anything "spiritual" ought to be free. They don't seem to understand that monks and nuns are literally beggars (bhikku means precisely that), bar the Japanese (another story) and one class of Tibetans (and some Nepalese).

But then, people seem averse to even donating for free resources as a gesture, look at the uproar about J. Peterson earlier. This is a major problem I think.

>>133595871
try the guided meditations I linked to earlier. As for reading materials, both the little Oxford Short Introductions to Buddha and Buddhism are decent enough and brief at that, so once you have an idea of what interests you, you can zoom in on that (history, doctrine, theory, practice, different schools etc.) Good overall but fairly academic reads would be Gethin's Foundations and Harvey's Introduction. Also Paul Williams' books, the History of Indian Buddhism and Foundations of Mahayana standing out. These are serious works by the way.

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>>133595995
>crypto hippies that they are, that anything "spiritual" ought to be free
kek that's exactly what seems to be going on in the comments section

I was surprised considering that she's just providing a service, should barbers give haircuts for free and pick their money off the money-tree?

>look at the uproar about J. Peterson earlier
Yes, people automatically think someone's an opportunist, regardless of how much value they contribute, meanwhile every time a female "alt-right" e-celeb shakes her tits and uploads a video there's a front-page thread about it...

>>133596134
Thanks a lot, anon.