Net Neutrality is the final step towards a 100% regulated internet.

The internet is fine just as it is.

The fuck needs to be 'fixed' here?

>>133520079
1 out of 2,500+ ISPs in the USA did something we don't like 3 years ago, so let's just hand the internet over to (((bureaucrats))) who don't even know how it works. What could possibly go wrong?

it amazes me that the shills and spam bots that isp's have been pushing for the last little bit have actually tricked some people.

without net neutrality an isp can actually run an extortion game with every major website, if they don't pony up a fee the isp can make them have a "bandwidth accident" and cripple there business

>>133520079
I thought Trump wanted to move ISP regulation from the FCC to the FTC anyways.

Wanting net neutrality is some bluepill shit. You can easily identify the former CTR shills by the way they talk. If you actually voted Trump without reading all the fine print, then thank you for saving the world, but you have no right to complain about how he will go about it.

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Stop fucking SHILLING you incredulous cunts. How the fuck can you not see that repealing net neutrality is bad?

Even back in the libertarian days of /pol/ we supported net neutrality. There is nothing wrong with what we have now. Yes, there are monopolies, but how the fuck am I going to switch services in the next six months when time warner starts throttling my net?

>>133520879

this is exactly why the push NN so hard. not because it's "better for the internet", but because without NN ISPs can legally charge them for access to their networks. no company wants this. they'd rather us pony up the bills in data caps and rate hikes.

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>>133520079

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>>133520079
Also, see what nip-moot has to say right above your post. It enables an ISP to disable any website they damn well please. I can't wait to see your reactions when your favorite sites get either blocked or throttled.

These shills are unbelievable.

>>133521547
Because most of /pol/ are contrarian autists that have to do the exact opposite of everything liberals do

>>133522249
>It enables an ISP to disable any website they damn well please.

BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT MUH FREEDOM

Think of it as water. You have a water bill. As it currently sits, you are charged a flat rate. You can use the water as you see fit so long as you can keep up on your payments.

Getting rid of NN, you are now being charged for how you use your water. Want to shower, that'll be $25 extra. Want to water your garden? Another $50 on top. Drinking the water?! $150. Don't forget the base monthly fee of $60.

Where is the stopping point for them? Sure, with such a move, you could see new ISPs pop up to provide services as it currently is right now, it's only a shame that all ISPs have legal monopolies over any given area.

>>133520079
Without net neutrality the Internet will become cable. Something compact would love and why they are fighting so hard because only boomers are still buying cable

>>133520079
I would wholeheartedly embrace free market internet if I had a slate of ISPs to choose from.

Sadly, for whatever reason, that is not the case. I'm stuck with Cuntcast. And as you can imagine, I'd prefer to fuck them as opposed to giving them what they want.

>>133521851
yeah and small business owners want to stop local mafia groups to stop demands for protection money, because they are doing it in self interest doesn't mean the correct thing to do is give a mafia the legal means to extort them. holding the correct position for a reason of self preservation does not make the position any less correct; with the internet on a only sites the pay get to play standard it will stagnate as no new site can come into prevalence without a massive financial backing. This destroys any even basic concept of a free market online, for a board so intent on supporting the free market you have all jumped on a bandwagon of letting a few corporations handpick who is and isn't allowed to join the biggest market there is

>>133520287
>The internet is fine just as it is.

Exactly. And what the internet 'is' or has de facto been since its inception, is neutral. Net neutrality isn't something we're trying to pass, it's something we're trying to preserve.

>be Ivan
>hundreds of ISPs in the country
>my shitty suburbian apartment building provides me a choice of over a dozen of ISPs
>pay $8/month for unlimited 100mbps + cable TV

>be burger
>have a great variety of choice between connecting to Comcast or not having Web access at all
>expensive and unstable
>soon to be paying extra for accessing certain websites
>land of the free

>>133520287
F-fuckin-P-fuckin-B-fuckin-P
FUCK AMERICA, THEY FUCK UP EVERYTHING, THE CUNTS.

>>133522552
But don't worry, new water services are going to pop up so the free market will take care of all the problems

>>133522552
That tiered internet shit was just one idea being tossed around. Sure, it would be legal, but probably not something most companies would bother with. It's mostly reposted as much as it is for a quick scare tactic because the actual issues with net neutrality take much longer to explain.

It's similar to how /pol/ would hammer on the "Hillary is dying" point during the election, because people don't want to sit and listen to an explanation about the countless other points against her. Telling people she was unhealthy was easy to understand in a few words, so people actually listened to it.

>>133523510
>be Ivan
Literally be any non-English speaking country and ur internet will suddenly suck much less. It's almost strange. And now net neutrality is going away an its gonna suck even harder! Go burgers.

>>133520079
Honestly if net neutrality really does lead to this we can just remove it later.

I'd rather not give the jews the freedom to charge us 59.99 to use 4chan though.

>>133522552
But I pay my water bill based on usage. I pay comcast a flat fee and use as much as a please. The internet isn't just a big dump truck. It's a series of tubes!

>>133523880
>but its something most companies wouldn't bother with
How come exactly? It's free money for them, customers have no where else to go cause you fucked infrastructure in the 80s, and their customer satisfaction is already 0 so I doubt they would care. Give me one good reason why they wouldn't other than muhh free market wil fix

ISPs want to charge big content like Google, Netflix and Amazon for what it actually costs to stream and provide that content.

Big Content wants to push that cost on all consumers by forcing ISPs to charge their entire customer base for it. This essentially will mean that we as consumers end up paying more whether or not we use it.

Basically, it's a nothingburger for us and corporations would lose a pretty penny if this was passed.

>>133524676
this

>>133524676
Or we stop using big content providers.

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I'M SO GLAD (((((((((((((TRUMP)))))))))))))) APPOINTED FORMER COMCAST EMPLOYEES TO THE FCC

THIS WILL SURLY MAKE THE INTERNET GREAT AGAIN

>>133525117
Haha, n-no way, he's (((ourguy))) haha, r-remember? Haha?

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>I think Net Neutrality is a bad idea.

>>133520079
government is fucking retarded and them regulating something as chaotic as the internet is like the church trying to prevent everyone from masturbating

>>133520079
>ameritards actually are against Net Neutrality
>In the age of wireless almost ready
>they don't understand that this is a kickery to delay the free market action as far as possible

Sucks to be you, what can I have to say.

I hope the US government smashes net neutrality so all the filthy Americans are wiped off 4chan

Listen, net neutrality is great. Without it, things will be worse. But I voted for Trump because he will save the white race. I'm fine with the internet being a little worse if that is all it takes.

>>133521262
What would this entail if he did this?

We have this thread like 1000 times a day and all it is is each side calling the other jews and shills

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>>133526179
jews are angry they wont be able to ban 4chan from the internet.

>>133525117
>>133525323
Jesus Christ, you guys are so obvious

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>>133523325
Yes

>>133523819
>says the guy who lets unchecked numbers of syrians in his country.....

>>133520079
Without net neutrality 4chan dies

>>133526733
Yes, it was dead till BASED OBAMA signed in NN.

THANKS OBAMA!

>>133525956
I made the same calculation as you. But you know that without Net Neutrality sites like this would not exist and without sites like this, Trump would not even have been elected. It's a poison pill, but so was the other pill. This seems like the lesser poison, but woudn't it be great to just dodge this bullet completely?

>>133526403
If NN passes it means further regulations are gonna happen, with Jews taking even more.
If it fails, it means Jews in ISPs can legally block traffic to 4chan servers.

No matter what they win

>>133523819
you're more than welcome to create your own internet... wait aren't you guys already working on that?

>>133526815
4chan wasnt a target until recently.

before now they were throttling netflix and other normie shit.

soon enough they limit 4chan to a 0 kbps connection.

>>133520287
>Fine as it is

Not when a few shitty companies hold a major monopoly and stamp out competition offering better service than almost no service.

>>133526627
and what the fuck has that got to do with you useless cunts voting in comcast-cock-sucking-cunts like Drumpf? Just ONE fucking thing that was alright, that worked, that was more or less immune to your BS - and, you couldn't fucking leave it alone, could you?

cunts.

>>133526936
1st option is their worst option.

its like saying the 1st amendment is a regulation, it is but its a win for us.

>>133520079
Enjoy 4chan while you can because they wont be around if nn gets repealed. You think this site has the money to fork over to some giant media conglomerate to stay alive? My freind you are sorely mistaken.

>>133526733
THIS IS SINGLE HANDEDLY THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT RETARDS

>>133527034
>4chan becomes a target during Obama's administration
>Targeted by democrats

>Somehow NN, democrats love child, is saving us

>>133526733
For Americans.
Which is not a bad thing

>>133527034
>hate thinks they they throttled Netflix for the same reason they would throttle 4chan

Why are you idiots this retarded?

>>133523873
No. What will happen is that you will buy your shower spigot from your water service. Other brands of spigot will cost more or not deliver as much water.

Now here is where the analogy falls apart. The shower spigot is a physical thing. It's not exactly analogous to a channel with content. The content on a channel need be created once and then it cost nothing to deliver as many times as you want unlike a shower spigot which is a physical thing.

It's inefficient to develop the content more than once. So the ISP that can pay to produce the most content will drive the smaller providers out of business.

So the large ISPs drive independent content creators out of business by throttling them, and drive smaller ISPs out of business by having the largest content packages..

So there is LESS choice in ISPs not more without net neutrality.

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>>133526733
Then how did it exist to begin with and continue to exist now?
>2017 trusting the government
Good got

>suddenly this is a problem to libs when it's not Obama's administration doing it

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>>133524676
You pay based on the speed of your connection and your monthly download bandwidth.

If you use less (by not using streaming services) you pay less. It's simply a matter of choosing whichever plan matches the speed and data caps you need for what you use. People who use more bandwidth, pay more.

I don't see anything wrong with the system working like that.

Without net neutrality, the ISPs are able to threaten to shut down traffic to websites that can't or won't pay up.
>this is arguably a nothingburger

If ISPs just feel like pushing an agenda sometime (many are affiliated with news corporations, what makes you think they won't?), they can threaten to cut off traffic to the websites of detractors
>this is not a nothingburger

>>133520079
Honestly, if they wanted to charge off usage, businesses would be footing that expense supposedly. Since charging regular customers more would just lose customers, charging a business is more profitable

>>133527338
they fucked up, not our problem.

>>133527488
fuck off kike

Can anyone explain this thing to me? Today is the first time I heard of it, and I'm not a tech-guy.

>>133527583
>corporations will push an agenda without NN

>this is why we should give the AMERICAN FUCKING GOVERNMENT control

GENIUS

The flippidy flop psy-op tactic. You pathetic cunt.

SAGE
A
G
E

>>133527716
jews want to charge 59.99 for 4chan access so 4chan cant make their girl hillary lose again.

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>>133527695
>only rebuttal is calling someone a jew

>>133524408
>It's a series of tubes!
Jesus. It's been so long.

>>133527785
provide a source, redditor

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>>133527816
you dont have an argument either.

they can and will throttle 4chan if they want to and that nose of yours only grows bigger when you lie.

>>133527259
WITHOUT UNLIMITED IMMMIGRATION WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO SUSTAIN OUR ECONOMY

>>133522249
>It enables an ISP to disable any website they damn well please
Yeah, and the first time that happens that company is going to get fucked over so hard thanks to the court of public opinion, they'll reverse course, and no other company will do it again.

Are you so autistic you don't realize that people can still do stuff?

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The choice is either being fucked by government or being fucked by ISPs. The difference is that people can do something about the latter, good luck with the former.

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>>133520287
No it is not

Users can still freely post their thoughts without consequence, this must be stopped.

>>133527908
>they will do something they never threatened to even do!

Give me a source dumbass. Why do we seriously think Charter would be more likely to censor 4chan, than the fucking American government?

Oh, we don't, the share blue redditor shills are here in full force, pretending to be from 4chan

>>133524676
>nothingburger
kys

Can I get a quick rundown on this shit?

>>133528099
>Why do we seriously think Charter would be more likely to censor 4chan, than the fucking American government?
they throttled netflix you dumbass.

the government is forcing them to never throttle again, stay mad kike.

>>133527752
It's not control on behalf of the government, it's regulations to prevent corporations from doing what I described.

>>133528045
This.

>>133520079
>net neutrality is about regulating the internet
This is far from the truth and a made up story only republican shills are pushing. Do not fall for this tactic.

>>133527410
Hiroshima won't be able to pay the bills without ameritards clicking his porn ads.

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WHO IS MORE LIKELY TO CENSOR 4CHAN:

>government
>your ISP

>>133527985
The slow blade penetrates. Throttling makes dissonant voices irrelevant. The unthrottled mainstream media puts people to sleep.

Obscure mostly irrelevant throttled websites eventually are by default disabled unless you manually re-enable them. Maybe for a fee.

Nobody objects when because of some 'bad things' done on the free internet if it's just outlawed. Nobody uses it anyway.

>Net Neutrality is repealed
>Facebook, YouTube, Reddit, all the big websites still ran by liberals
>They continue to do things they've done in the past, hide right wing comments, manipulate trending charts to favor left wing, globalist kike opinions
>"We're sorry, our packages do not currently support 4chan"
>Oh, just look at that, conveniently the major ISPs don't actually compete and encroach on each other's areas
>It's almost as if they're not actually competing with each other because if any one of them gets larger they risk being classified as a monopoly
>Right wing opinions disappear from internet because if anything the (((people))) in charge have shown this what they do
>No Trump ever happens again
>Information spread to combat the official narrative goes back to 90s level for opposition while they are still in 2017

Anyone arguing against net neutrality is nigger-tier and openly advocating for giving over more censorship power to the same fucking globalist kikes that pol fought last year to get Trump elected. This isn't about the government controlling and censoring the net. This about the government telling ISPS that they can't censor you.

>>133520287
Fucking this. I may not trust the gov't to not spy on me, but I SURE as shit do NOT trust some private company to not give me the run-a-round trying to do all the things I currently do.

>>133528272
pretty sure its that jewish ISP over there, do you really think we've forgotten all the bullshit comcast has done?

if you morons had played a bit nicer, 90% of the population wouldnt hate the ISP's more than the government.

sorry you lost again kike.

>>133528201
THEY THROTTLED NETFLIX BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF BANDWIDTH THEY USED, NOT THEIR CONTENT. THEY SAID PAY US MORE OR NO MORE SHORTCUTS FOR YOUR SERVICE. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 4CHAN OR POLITICS.

YOU STUPID, IGNORANT, RETARDED PRICK.

FUCK.

>>133528348
t. government kike

>>133522552
You really use that much internet? Please, they're going to go after businesses first. They're the ones with the money and they essentially get charged the exact same as regular consumers, yet use hundreds of times the bandwidth.

>>133520079
I tend to agree.

I distrust big government more than corporations

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>>133528422
>THEY THROTTLED NETFLIX BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF BANDWIDTH THEY USED, NOT THEIR CONTENT.
good try shekelstein.

also, all caps is a sign of a shill whos bad at his job.

>>133528439
>You really use that much internet?
I use over several TB a month

FUCK. OFF.

>>133528045
This. What are you going to do if the federal government controls the internet through the FCC? Protest against the armed forces? Comcast has a fucking PR department with a couple of dotheads answering the phones.

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>>133528223
Yes, because the American government isn't known for abusing their power and taking a mile when given an inch

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>Nu-/pol/ loves government now.

I don't trust the government to regulate ANYTHING. Give me a reason why I should trust them to regulate the Internet

>>133528422
First they get their cut. Then they go into providing content - maybe they buy netflix (for cheap now that they can't make a profit ) and throttle hulu.

>>133528348
Good

>>133528539

>oh no, I have argument, better just call him a kike. Those nazis on there love it! I win!

>>133527985
You mean like what happened when ISPs started playing around with data caps? People were outraged at first, the companies pulled back, later on they reintroduced them except instead of a hard cap they just throttle your internet to shit once you hit the limit. There was no outrage because in the public mind the issue had already been dealt with. Now all major ISPs have these "soft caps" and in many areas they're the only option for getting online.

>>133528636
jews are against NN as well as the_donald aka jew central.

>>133521547
1. STOCK UP WITH EBIL JEW MEMES
2. B-E-G 4CHAN TO SUPPORT GOVERNMENT CENSORING OF THE INTERNET USING SAID EBIL JEW MEMES
3. CALL CORPORATIONS EVIL FOR GOOD MEASURE
4. DON'T AGREE YET? OBVIOUSLY A SHILL
5. GO TO THE KEKPARTY AT DEGENERACY HQ
6. ????
7. PROFIT

>>133528422
>THEY THROTTLED NETFLIX BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF BANDWIDTH THEY USED

Still unacceptable. It would be a nonissue if the internet kikes actually put effort into their service.

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>>133528636
Because of this imaginary scenario where ISPs will charge $1,000,000 to browse a site! Ooga booga booga!

You scared yet?

Removing NN is a good thing because it did nothing in the first place. All it did was give FCC more power on isps and allowed companies like google and netflix to fuck over these private companies. If you have both jews and libs saying to keep NN, your intuition is most likely right to say that removing it is the better deal. I know the facts why we dont need NN, but a good rule of thumb these days is that if it's something the democrats want, remove it.

>>133528723
That isn't an actual answer to my question. Why should I trust the government to regulate internet?

>>133528740
>all caps
stupid shill

>>133528636
Net neutrality can be justified as an antitrust measure.

>>133520079
Worth pointing out that they currently offload most of the regulation to private companies (Silicon Valley). Not staying in the thread to argue with shills this time.

>>133528798
>That isn't an actual answer to my question.
another shill poster, neat.

>>133528815
>antitrust

So when is it going to break up Google?

>>133528422

this. Netflix accounts for fucking 37% of all internet traffic at peak hours and they don't pay nearly enough to support all the infrastructure that requires. But I have a hard time caring because the ISP situation here is ridiculous and an obvious monopoly that should be broken up, but nobody does it.

>>133528099
>Give me a source dumbass


So far the ISPs have been caught red-handed throttling or outright blocking:

encrypted, VOIP, Netflix, streaming, torrent, newsbin packets in 2014 and before.

What exactly makes you think 4chan packets are sacred to them?

>>133528815
It really can't. Trust busting can be justified as an anti trust measure.

>>133528426
You got an argument as to why that won't happen? It literally happened last year, all of those things I mentioned, except without NN the chans won't be around to tell people it's happening. Their internet Golem turned right wing and anti globalist and they need NN repealed to control what information you access. So, and this is what none of you anti NN people have answered, in what ways will this improve internet for the consumer? There's a million arguments for NN. I have yet to see a good one for repealing it.

>>133527037
well that has nothing to do with net neutrality

>>133528045
This times 100. You can get the government to Fuck up a company, you can't do shit about the government.

>>133520079
AT&T has new channels dedicated to supporting Net Neutrality on my TV right now.
For some reason my spidey-senses are tingling.

>>133528818
Google was one of Obama's business partners during his leadership. The reasons are obvious.

>>133528272

The FCC has had NN rules and Title 2 in effect since 2015, where is this mass censorship of 4chan?

>>133528903
>>>133528426
> It literally happened last year, all of those things I mentioned, except without NN the chans won't be around to tell people it's happening.
Delusional

>>133528903
>oy veeeey! the corporations are gonna censor you!

>hand over all control to the good and reliable government!

>>133528944
>you can't do shit about the government.
we voted trump in dumbass.

if NN somehow ends up being so horrible for whatever reason we can vote him out.

too bad your shill attempts are so bad you're actually guaranteeing that NN stays.

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>>133528768
So you're literally going to support the fucking government grabbing more rights to arguably the last free speech bastion on this fucking planet, just to save jewflix and jewtube?

What in the living fuck happened to this place?

>>133520079
>lose business

To who exactly? It's not like most americans have much choice in ISP.

Cant let the market work if it's filled with local monopoly.

Don't we already have net neutrality?
I'm sure as fuck not paying extra money to visit sites like this one.

>>133528665
Cause the only way communism can win an argument is if the other side is silenced
>muh not real communism like 37x now

>>133528878
Most of that tampering was with Google owned services, mostly because Google wanted to become the next big isp, especially since they were in the hands of the government, or you can say the government was in their hands. Why are we defending google from being buttfucked by isps?

>>133520079
>anclap flag
Who created and paid for the internet.
I believe it was the US govt. And taxpayers, so in your anclapistani world where you own the shit that you pay for, the US govt. Can do whatever the fuck they like with it. If the telcos invented it, it would be a completely different story.

>>133529063
we do, jews are playing the old double cross trick.

>>133528045
NN is in effect now, how are you currently being fucked by the government exactly?

>>133529032
>NN can still win guys!

>>133528865
It may yet, and amazon too. We've been lucky to have had net neutrality as a preventative measure thusfar

Eh most of these issues are just one interest group vs another. Internet companies don't want to pay more for their sites and ISPs want to be able to charge them more. The costumer doesn't really enter the equation.

>>133529105
We're being fucked by pro-NN companies on behalf of the DNC.

>>133529190
>The costumer doesn't really enter the equation.
imagine being this retarded.

>>133528422
>>133528867


>This shitty (((argument)))

No, Netflix paid their ISPs. People who claim that they got some free-ride are full of shit or liars.

>B-But it used Comcast bandwidth

Yes, the bandwidth that Comcast's customers paid them in full for

>B-B-B-But....umm...IT CONGESTED THEIR NETWORK?

No, this was bullshit. How do I know? Netflix offered to place server boxes with all the heavy Netflix content on it within Comcast's cores for free.

Comcast refused.

>>133528809
MY KEYBOARD IS BROKEN YOU INBRED NIGGER.BESIDES, YOU REALIZE HOW INCREDIBLY EASY IT IS TO SPOT YOU FUCKERS RIGHT?

>>133529261
How many costume makers are invested in Net Neutrality, Anon? Please be honest with me

>>133529018
So you're saying Facebook didn't get exposed as manipulating the trending news shared so pro Clinton and anti Trump news numbers weren't inflated? Cause that fucking happened. Same on Twitter, disappearing hashtags and slowly sliding pot Clinton ones despite smaller numbers.

>>133529269
So if ISPs want to charge them even more they should be allowed to

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>>133522249
>trusting nip moot
>ever

>>133527259
Without NN, 4chan MIGHT be throttled by ISPs (right now, they have no reason, we use very little bandwidth, and we do not attack ISPs)

With NN, 4chan WILL be censored due to Piracy and Obscenity laws.

Without NN, if an ISP censors 4chan, YOU CAN TAKE YOUR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE, or use a VPN.

With NN, if the GOVERNMENT SHUTS DOWN 4CHAN DUE TO OBSCENITY OR PIRACY, YOU CAN DO NOTHING.
YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE.

Both solutions are flawed, but at least without NN, you have OPTIONS.

Instead of spending time fighting for NN, spend time fighting to lower the barrier of entry for NEW ISPS.

>>133529316
>MY KEYBOARD IS BROKEN
that excuse would have worked 10 years ago, im afraid your shill attempt has failed.

there's a pizzagate thread up, might wanna go shill that up too.

>>133528778
This is what I don't get... The ISPs would be charging the site (The business) to for usage and access. The average Joe Blow isn't gonna have to pay to access that site (Unless that site puts up a paywall, to cover their increased expense), they are already paying to access the internet, not run a business on it.

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>>133528564
Prove to me that net neutrality (law enforcing that ISPs treat traffic to all websites in the same manner) gives the government some power that they can abuse.

And even then, during the past two years that net neutrality has been in law, has the government abused it?

>>133529080
Yes we do. Net neutrality is what we've had since the internet has existed. Industry shills are trying to confuse people into thinking net neutrality is some scary government attempt to take control of the internet. It works wells in conservative communities like /pol/ where people are naturally suspicious of the government.

>>133529096
>Most of that tampering was with Google owned services

Wrong, Google doesn't even provide the majority of those at all.

>Why are we defending google from being buttfucked by isps

I am talking about end-point consumers of Verizon and Comcast, I literally didn't even mention Google you dishonest fucker.

>>133529252
And if you will be fucked by ISPs in addition to that, how would that be better? Those companies won't stop fucking you no matter what, you'll just add an additional dick.

Also, isn't the whole deal right now in America that there are two sides that believe in two different measures to achieve net neutrality? That one side believes in government intervention as the means to achieve it, and the other side believes that the market and competition are a better means of achieving it?

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>>133520079
Fuck off Comcast shill

>>133529337
No the other part was delusional.

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>>133529037
>So you're literally going to support the fucking government grabbing more rights to arguably the last free speech bastion on this fucking planet
No one in this entire thread has explained how they are going to do this.

Net Neutrality is currently in effect. Just what exactly has the government done to fuck 4chan and other sites over?

Go on. I'll wait.

>>133529399
dumbest shit i read today. they're not going to block anything.

>>133529399
>With NN, 4chan WILL be censored due to Piracy and Obscenity laws.
??????????????

we have those laws now, why isnt 4chan censored? LOL

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I'm confused.
Do the government already have the right to regulate the internet, or will protecting net neutrality eventually give them the right?

>>133529478
meant for
>>133529063

>>133529022
The government doesn't have control, that's the point. The government only said"The only rule is the internet is a highway and people paying for access to the highway can use any exit they want to visit any store they want." It's like if they let electric companies only support certain brands. Hope you like Sony because we don't power Samsung tvs Now! Oh, what's that? We're the only power company around?

>>133524188
>Lots of this

Burgers have 80's internet it's all old and crappy

25 euro gets me free calls sms 70meg line no cap and that's my phone lol

>>133529468
>gives the government some power that they can abuse.
FCC

>And even then, during the past two years that net neutrality has been in law, has the government abused it?

the presidential election

>>133529468
Silicon Valley has..... Massive leftwing corporate censorship which you suspiciously do not care about.

>>133520079
We are fucked no matter what.
If it passes then the Internet beco.es a giant nsa honeypot
If it fails then you get nu-internet with subscriptions and per use fees for websites.
It'll look like what cable is now.

The shitposting was fun while it lasted, I look forward to meeting you chaps in the tolerance gulag

>>133529543
they already regulate it with anti-piracy acts so thats a non-issue.

the jews just want us to pay extra for using 4chan to limit our power.

>>133528487
Trust both equally faggot, both are out to screw you.

>>133529379
>companies should be able to reneg on deals they have made

Okay.

>>133529486
I don't buy into ISP scapegoating.

>>133529627
>If it passes then the Internet beco.es a giant nsa honeypot
What do you mean becomes?

>>133529379

>Comcast should be able to shake-down any company or person they want

You would have even the ghost of an argument if:

1.Comcast's customers didn't pay them for access to the entire internet
2.The US Gov't didn't give massive tax breaks and subisidies to the ISPs specifically to not have to beg poor when innovative companies use their networks to give good services to their customers

>>133529516
Democrat

>>133529399
>With NN, 4chan WILL be censored due to Piracy and Obscenity laws.
NN has been in effect for 2 years under the Obama admin.

You're fucking stupid if you think any of that is going to happen.

>>133529627
The only real thing we can do is get local ISP competition.

This isn't backbone networks doing this. It's local ISP running monopolies to the internet backbone.

>>133529480
I say google because they were the reason that the government brought in the deal of the NN, anyway. I say deal because the isps willingly came into it if the government gave them a title 2 exemption. You know, the very thing you should be against cause it keeps the monopoly they were afraid of losing. Oh look, it's going away now and cable companies are becoming scared. I wonder why.

>>133529269
>I have no idea what I'm talking about: the post

They (((throttled))) Netflix by literally threatening to give them the same service unless they pay more. Streaming services take most of the internet and other websites suffer from it. The ISPs literally have to go out out of their way and make special arrangements for the big services, such as Netflix, so they don't get throttled from everyday use. They said give us money for it or we stop.

Then Netflix and the other Jews, ran to the government and you dick riders, along with Obama, decided to take that put in net neutrality.

You're a fucking idiot who has no idea what they're talking about.

>>133529399
>With NN, 4chan WILL be censored due to Piracy and Obscenity laws.


NN has been in effect and enforced since 2015, thanks for playing you fucking liar.

>>133520079
I do have suspicions you may be right OP. But the real question is, regulated by whom?

>>133529521
See >>133529621

Government does not censor directly, at least at this stage of the game

>>133529269
>Netflix wanted access to another businesses protected assets, for free

Are you a fucking communist? They weren't going to give Comcast any revenue. It's a simple accounting problem. If they want to use YOUR shit, even if it's just space in an office building, they gotta pay. Netflix wanted something they profit immensely from for FREE. Just like your mindless shilling.

>>133520287
To stay how it is means you support Net Neutrality. Companies are suing that the government can't protect it with that rule because it's not a public resource. So to continue protecting it, they would need to relabel the internet as a public utility. This would change nothing. Republicans and boomers are creating and misrepresenting the arguments because they can't understand computers.

The same idiot that made that comic probably has 50 extensions installed in his internet explorer and uses a coupon printer.

>>133529104
This is exactly what's going on. They're on here shilling this as a "muh free market" issue when it's not. It's blatant jewery to think allowing corporations to package up what you already pay for as a blanket service is somehow going to help you. It's like letting Duke Energy say it only supports Apple products now. Without a billionaire investor to start a rival company nobody is going to be able to use Intel or AMD now.

>>133529627
>If it fails then you get nu-internet with subscriptions and per use fees for websites.
You mean what we already have where people pay for different internet speeds. Fucking please. Right now, a lot of smaller isps are about to get full aggression. And I'm about to get a major boost in internet speed because of it. Let the competition come.

>>133528439

They're going to work out a deal with those large companies because they are important customers that have access to lawyers and time to fight it if they screw them over.

They're going to fuck over the average joe every day of the week because we small individuals with no legal representation, are too busy working to fight with them about it anyway, and they don't give a shit about us.

Everytime we have a discussion about net neutrality remind them that net neutrality is what we have RIGHT NOW.

Big cable company shills have convinced people that it's some scary new government regulation. Educate them.

>>133529687
>>133529739
If you want governnent intervention to protect Netflix, then you need to support governmenr intervention to force the First Amendment to apply to Google and Rebbit and other leftist companies.

Otherwise net neutrality goes. Fucking shill.

>>133529399
Have you fucking read the NN shit anon.
You autism is at an exceedingly high level.

>>133529997
Yeah, we've had NN for several years and the internet has been shit for several years.

Coincidence?

>>133529997
How come most pro NN shill seem to be from European cucks, who keep saying WE?

>net neutrality just means isps cant block or throttle sites for whatever reason
>this means the government will apparently control the internet and shutdown everything

can i get a quick rundown on what they meant by this?

>>133529980
>ISPs will randomly fuck people over out of spite

Seems unlikely

>>133529780
good luck trying to start an ISP, even friggin Google couldn't get past the sheer bullshit and if they can't do it who can?

>>133529863
So what you're getting at is that the government will use more of their power once net neutrality is more certain?

>>133520079

Net neutrality already exists you absolute mentally retarded fuckwits.

The people who want to get rid of it use political spin to portray net neutrality as a "new" attempt at the government regulating the internet to trick uninformed retards such as yourself into supporting the opposite of your best interest.

The net was actually founded on net neutrality and it's why the internet allows for the free and open environment it is today.

>>133520079
https://thetrichordist.com/2017/07/12/have-you-been-suckered-on-net-neutrality-debate-by-google-and-big-tech/

>>133530096
>and the internet has been shit for several years.
??????????

>>133530149
There is absolutely no reason not to let them throttle. It saves silicon valley hundreds of millions of dollars to avoid paying for fast lanes and that's how they get away with censorship.

>>133529780
This exactly. If the local ISP didn't already have a de facto monopoly then none of these fears could ever materialize.

It's monopolies that fuck up free markets kids. And government is the best monopoly going. It's the sole reason we haven't yet been able to fuck communism after a century of failure.

>>133530180
Google are the #1 guys who will be making full truck the moment NN is gone. They've only been stopped because of said regulations. What will you think happen now its going away?

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>>133530149
>it's only a little bit of regulation friend! You can trust the government!

>>133530237
Have you been sleeping under a rock? SJWs and massive left-wing censorship.

>>133529785
>I say google because they were the reason that the government brought in the deal of the NN.


Except: you are completely and utterly wrong.

NN had to be put into effect on a legal stance because of fuckery by Comcast and Verizon up to 2014.

Same thing with shifting them to Title 2 so the FCC could more actively stop them. As suggested by the judiciary that presided over the cases between Verizon and the FCC

>You know, the very thing you should be against cause it keeps the monopoly they were afraid of losing.


The Oligopoly is propped up by ISPs gobbling up eachother and nasty closed-door deals between the ISPs and local governments for exclusive service agreements.

Steamrolling NN will fix literally none of this.

>>133530194
It's possible, but I avoid claims I can't prove

>>133530308
you realize removing NN means sjw's can just obliterate a website from your ISP by crying really loud right?

fuck off retard

>>133530269
So net neutrality will eventually lead to communism?

>>133530217
Wrong it started in 2013

>>133530157

>spite

Where hell did I say that? They do it for profit clearly. That was obviously implid for non-retards. They already treat us like garbage as it is for that reason.

>>133530157
spite no, however they will nickel'n dime them for all it's worth
use a website more than 5 times a month? pay extra to prevent it from being throttled into uselessness
want to access a site unaffiliated with the ISP's, well you'll be happy to pay double for that won't you?
some website is posting criticism of the ISP's? look at that it suddenly is incapable of handling more than 1 user at the same time, how did that happen

>>133530401
I highly doubt that anon.

>>133529399
We're attacking ISPs now.

>>133530269
And the ISP bribe local and state government to protect their monopolies.

>>133520079
i can't wait to get cheaper electricity for my Exxon^^TM appliances. I'll have to throw out my Sears appliances because those use expensive electricity.

>>133529518
No, now when those major sites included on the basic package like Facebook censor right wing views nobody is going to pay the extra 10 bucks to try a competitor. With NN Facebook and Reddit and the like have to be subtle about their manipulation because theoretically anyone with a good idea can create website and steak their customers. Without NN it's going to take a significant amount of capital to launch a competitor, and most people won't even try it since they'll have to buy a while new package to even access the site.

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>>133529105
They can arrest you just for downloading an image of child porn even though it doesn't hurt anyone.

>>133530348
That fuckery you're mentioned was exactly because of Google. And also Netflix, you know that upcoming streaming service to replace TV. Again, you're defending companies like Netflix and Google. NN was not helping anyone but those two companies. It was buttfucking customers instead, especially ones who can care less about the premium services of streaming. Removing NN is the best thing that can happen in 2017 internet.

>>133520079
Fuck the internet. Fuck all of you too.

>>133529780
Good luck.
Fucking Google can't even get shit done, and satellite Internet is a meme.

>>133530025
You're a stupid faggot. You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.

>>133527037
Tell how that would change if they get precisely what they want? Do you think their monopoly would somehow weaken?

>>133530285
just saying, even a company as large as them that could abuse it as much as them was INCAPABLE of trying to compete with the ISP's because of how many artificial blocks they put in place

this isn't a free market mate, the only thing keeping them in check from abusing their absolute monopoly absolutely is laws. It's a completely fucked up situation that should be fixed but abolishing net neutrality will just cement it

>>133530475
you know you're wrong you faggot.

with NN, ISP's by law cannot do what sjw's want which is banning 4chan.

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>net neutrality gets abolished
>all the Web noobs look for a way to bypass their ISP blocks and throttling
>they find Tor

>>133530096
Not for several years, literally from day 1.

>>133530256
>There is absolutely no reason not to let them throttle.
it means isps basically control the internet

>It saves silicon valley hundreds of millions of dollars to avoid paying for fast lanes and that's how they get away with censorship.
and what do i gain from comcast making hundreds of extra millions a year by censoring the internet?

>>133530639
>this isnt a free market

It is. A lot of you are misinformed on exactly how internet is provided to the world, and are ignorant of the details of what cable companies actually are.

>>133524362
>we can just remove it later
Giving a government power is a thousand times easier than taking that power back

>he thinks net neutrality is good
Why the fuck do you guys hate Capitalism? It allows companies to be competitive.

>>133530751
>source: my ass

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>>133529802
This. It boils down to corporate interest vs corporate interest. ISPs have no interest in extorting websites/companies who have no money. They have great interest in extorting Netflix and Google, who lobbied HARD for network neutrality in response. At the end of the day, actual consumers get nothing from network neutrality because if ISPs wanted to wring money out of them they can always just raise prices and lower bandwidth limits. There's no competition, so what are you going to do?

Cable companies probably don't even give a shit about it anymore, because everyone thinking they "won" with network neutrality just further masks the fact they're getting fucked in the ass by everyone because no one's actually paying attention to the real problems involved.

>>133527985
Yeah, I'm sure the mainstream media and the general public are going to rush to the defense of 4chan.

Government already has access to anything on everything that can connect to the internet/radio/ect systems.

If you didnt already know that your every electronic footprint is being watched you are just engaging in the lie

>>133522251
Fuck you bongistan, somebody has to be there to ask the group if we are jumping off of a cliff like lemmings.

>>133529399
This isn't what net neutrality is, Jesus Christ how fucking stupid are some of you people?

Net neutrality is a simple ground rule that every website is treated fairly and the customer isn't gouged to shit. That's all it is, and by wanting this removed you are absolutely fucking insane.

>>133530475
Why? Without the principle of net neutrality, it's all too easy to imagine campaigns based on "Why does X ISP allow access to these hate sites? They have a moral obligation to block them!" And once one gives in all the others will too, because they won't want to be seen as promoting hate sites in contrast to other ISPs that block them.

>>133530642
and it would even be profitable for them
all they have to do is offer an "on demand throttle" service where third parties pay to reduce the bandwidth your site gets

it would be 100% legal and given there's in many situations virtually no competition you couldn't even switch over to another ISP

>wanting Net Neutrality
>literally communism
Fuck off you fucking communists
Get off my capitalist board

>>133530688
>comcast censoring the internet

They wont do jack shit. And better for them to censor than the SV fuckheads. Internet companies are national. SV fucks only care about their self interest. Comcast will not do anything that will upset at least 50% of their customers for the sake of some political dribble. Most of the trottling is always because of technical reasons that just cost them more money. They have every right to that.

>>133530832
>They have great interest in extorting Netflix and Google
who then pass the buck to you the consumer.

>>133530648
>all nodes are blocked by ISP

>>133530149
The first part is true - neutral content i neutral content, cannot say, this packet is Netflix, gonna send it express, or charge more (or less) for shipping that, etc.
The second part is comcast etc. FUD - who, even tho they carve themselves up a near monopoly, still want to Jew more by disabling regulations like Net Neutrality WHICH EXIST TO ENSURE THE INTERNET IS A FAIR AND NEUTRAL INFORMATIONAL, EDUCATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT TRANSPORT MEDIUM. Sticking ot the transport analogy, allowing these cunts to dismantle Net Neutrality regulation is literally letting private cos take over the highway network, and 'regulate' who goes where and what speeds and what cost, and even if they travel at all.

>>133529802
>They (((throttled))) Netflix by literally threatening to give them the same service unless they pay more


Wrong, they set the packet priority of Netflix traffic to trash. This has been conclusively proven by people with Comcast + Netflix + A VPN, who were able to get better service by simply hiding the fact that their traffic was to Netflix from Comcast.


>Streaming services take most of the internet and other websites suffer from it.

I see you have no clue how the internet works. Netflix pays a massive sum to its corporate level ISP and those with non-scumbag ISPs get service fine. Is streaming video pushing the envelope on internet connects? Yes. The ISPs were literally paid to keep up with massive tax breaks and subisidies from the '96 telecom act to keep up.

If they could not keep up or were not willing to? They should not have accepted the tax breaks and pocketed the money.

>Then Netflix and the other Jews, ran to the government and you dick riders, along with Obama, decided to take that put in net neutrality.

The FCC itself and Verizon went to court over Verizon screwing their customers in 2014. Verizon refused to stop and so the FCC codified NN and Title 2 into ISP regulation.

Oh and NN has existed as a concept long before 2015, it is just that Comcast and Verizon started fucking with it then so the FCC had to act.

But you would know that NN predates Obama by a decade at least because you know what you are talking about and I do not.

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>>133530367
Seems like fearmongering to me.
Then again, so does 'abolishing NN will literally lead to the net becoming cable'.

>>133530688
>it means isps basically control the internet
which they've done for 30+ years already

name one time an isp blocked users from content and how it turned out

>>133529399

>take your business elsewhere

There is not a lot of choice. Some areas and buildings only have access to a single provider.

ISPs are like the power company. If they treat me like shit I'm not building my own fucking coal fired generator station out back. I don't have the resources or time for that and there is no one else to buy power from so I either play ball with them or live in the dark.

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Will this affect my e-commerce store??

>>133530744
Please for the love of god
a company with the funding and knowhow like GOOGLE couldn't even begin to compete
this is nothing but a monopoly enforced by bribes, and abolishing NN would just give the ISP's more money to use on said bribes

>>133530894
>and the customer isn't gouged to shit
Then why are people still paying $60 for 2010 speeds?

>>133526936
If NN passes? We have NN now, you fuckwit.

Keep NN... anyone who thinks otherwise is a shill/cuck

All removing NN will do is give more people, with worse interests this power.

>>133530968
They can't do that, can they?

>Communism actually works: The thread

>>133531042
if it doesn't pay protection money it will be unable to compete

>>133531011
>people didn't act like kikes for 30 years
>this means they will never act like kikes.
refer to >>133530983

>>133531080
Google already is competiting and competing well. Do you seriously think they care about NN? It's against their interests considering they are wanting to become the big US isp.

>>133531093
Your terrible packages and your actual online experiences are separate.

Remove net neutrality and your slow ass loading on web pages is going to be even worse.

>>133530537
>That fuckery you're mentioned was exactly because of Google.


What the flying fuck are you talking about? Google is not involved in any of the cases of which I am speaking and you have yet to prove this conspiracy that they are.


>NN was not helping anyone but those two companies.

Oh, you are a fucking dishonest liar who is just running through talking points.

You could have said.

The one about VOIP, torrent, encryption and newsbin throttling and blocking had nothing.


NOTHING.

To do with those two companies. It was regular users being fucked by the big ISPs and you are either their lap-dog or an illiterate sod.

>>133520079
You realise the government is going to spy on you whether you have net neutrality or not. Getting rid of it imply means companies will charge you extra for the privilege.

>>133530956
>google increases ads that I'm blocking anyway
>netflix raises their fee from 12 dollars to 13

Sounds fine.

Hold on. I thought the FCC was giving the reigns of NN to the FTC, and it's going to be in their hands?

>>133520079
>1 post by this ID
Shillbot detected, remember to sage when posting here

>>133526936
NN is currently in effect you fucking retard.
It has been for 2 years.

I love when clueless retards have the loudest opinions on shit they know nothing about.

>>133521547
I think there was a shift. A realization of what 4chan can do.

4chan has pretty much always been chaotic neutral. With the creation of Anonymous as a collective, there has always been a sense of libertarianism, and the protection of freedom and critical thought. That's why you saw 4chan push so hard for NN when it first came out, and against other Internet control acts, either by corporations or government. Anonymous rallies against Scientology, Westboro Baptist Church, etc. There was casual racism, but it was all "for the lulz".

Around 2015, things changed. 4chan had a growig base of normies, and certain groups began to see the power that 4chan's collective could have when roused. People here will talk Hillary shills and Shareblue and whatever, but if you look at content posted on /pol/ and the site in general, things have been drifting right-wing for awhile now. Things that were said mostly to be contrarian (niggerfaggot, Hitler did nothing wrong) have progressed to the point where this has become a major identity to people here. Conspiracy theory shit, which might normally only be reserved to /x/, has become common core, and there are people who believe in PizzaGate, flat earth, and other nonsense.

Some of these people are retarded normies, or people coming from Stormfront. But this shift has also been coming from other places.

Take Net Neutrality. So enshrined in what 4chan is and stands for, suddenly attacked, blatant lies spread about it, and multiple threads about how the Internet providers are the good guys. Do you think Verizon, Comcast, and others forgot about 4chan, and the influence it had in the fight for Net Neutrality last time around? Having 4chan collective on your side is a powerful entity.

Same thing with Trump. Years ago, supporting someone as ridiculous as him would be unthinkable. But the board is full of shill threads, and any criticism to God Emperor is drowned out.

Powerful groups realize the weapon 4chan can become.

>>133530956
Who gives a damn? Why are you sucking up to jewflix and jewgle anyway? They are the leading left wing, sjw faggots, who wish to see America destroyed.

But no, since your faggoty anus can't dare miss one episode of Big bang Theory or be threatened to pay 2 more shekels a month to jewflix, you'll sign away more power of the internet to the American government.

>>133531255
so the government should be interventionist? they should just control everything because someone might do something wrong some indeterminate time in the future?

do you even listen to yourself?

>>133531288
>get worse

topkek. No it won't. I use to work at a cable company. They have no incentive to make internet speed lower. They literally just hate streaming services like netflix. All maintenance that happens is because of these spike of internet bandwidth from more people in one area.

>>133531352
What if you can't block ads anymore?

>>133530894
It's insanity to me the arguments against net neutrality. I can't remember the last time this came up anyone seriously debating against net neutrality. Either 4chan got overran by a bunch of old people who have 50 toolbars and blame their grandkids removing BonzaiBuddy for their computer acting shitty or they're shilling this like nothing else ever for shilled. It's insanity. This is the one thing the government got right in decades, telling ISPs they can't censor the net. Now we got people openly advocating to allow ISPs to compartmentalize and censor information and legally be able to slow down the insane innovative speed the internet has enjoyed for two decades now. There will be no more huge revolutions of incentive new websites when suddenly not only does it take an insane amount of capital to start a website but your potential userbase has to subscribe to an extra package just to sample your content.

>>133531301
>Google is not involved in any of the cases of which I am speaking
They are the ones mostly involved in those cases because I know history more than you.

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Can people who reply to my posts try to actually address my arguments and not sound like shills? Thanks

>>133530431
How do ISPs profit from randomly blocking content? That's just shooting themselves in the foot because they'll get tons of bad press and lose customers.

>>133530445
See above.

All this conspiracy theory stuff about "ISP greed" has nothing to do with actual net neutrality which is solely about saving money for Silicon Valley.

>>133530507
>Without democrat censorship everything will magically be worse
>It'll be harder to compete against Google etc. AFTER dozens of ISPs extort them for hundreds of millions of dollars

See how retarded you sound, shill?

>>133530537
This

>>133530593
Kill yourself.

>>133530642
ISPs are not magically going ban than without net neutrality you shareblue faggot.

>>133530682
Please don't post when you don't know what you're talking about.

>>133530688
>muh spooky scary ISPs

This alone is not an argument, just DNC propaganda.

>>133530895
Okay, and? We won't let them win. There's nothing stopping them from doing that already and you're retarded if you think leftists, democrat corporations, and Jews would lobby THIS hard in favor of keeping net neutrality if there's any reasonable chance of what you say working out in their favor.

I see zero chance of ISPs randomly banning websites, that's just dem propaganda.

>>133530942
Extremely this

Christ, so many shill replies, so fast, and not a single argument.

>>133531402
>Same thing with Trump. Years ago, supporting someone as ridiculous as him would be unthinkable. But the board is full of shill threads, and any criticism to God Emperor is drowned out.
>checks flag

fuck off kike, you aren't fooling anyone

>wanting commie Net Neutrality
>"MUH COMMUNISM DOESN'T WORK"
so you've finally shown your true colours /pol/

>>133531486
Same, was a technician for a major ISP here for years.

Streaming services are the fucking worst for ISPs, especially in America's aging plants.

>>133531486
Maybe if your garbage company actually invested in hardware and didn't take an autistic fucking fit when Google offered cheap fibre optic for everybody, they wouldn't be struggling with streaming because they're still using 2003 hardware.

>>133531080
>abolishing NN would just give the ISP's more money to use on said bribes
and? you didnt solve any problems with your solution either. we need the state to not have anything worth bribing for

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>>133531402
>4chan has pretty much always been chaotic netual
I'm gonna need you to back that up with some more evidence.

>>133531573
>ISPs are not magically going ban than without net neutrality you shareblue faggot.
source: my ass

>>133520079
What about the countries that don't have NN but yet still can access whatever and have fast af internet? Why is everything here always fucked.

>>133531118
>interests
PAHAAHAHAHAHAH
as if your interest magically change when you are given the ultimate power of the state

>>133531537
But Silicon Valley censoring the net is okay with you why?

Where are the "google neutrality" and "reddit neutrality" campaigns? They don't exist, oh, why? The answer is obviously because NN is a censorship campaign for those very same companies.

>>133530537

>the premium services of streaming

Perhaps if your masters had used some of their subsidies and profit to keep up on their infrastructure instead of pissing it away on executive bonuses for more fucking yachts you wouldn't have to make shitty arguments on the internet about how streaming is a (((premium))) service you goddamn cuck.

>>133531633
fiber plz

>>133531539
> I know history more than you.

>Still has yet to cite a single case while I note the big NN battles of 2014

Cool.

>>133531454\>>133531460

... The American government already has power over the internet. Did you forget who created it?

>>133531701
Burden of proof lies on you commie.

>>133531460
>they should just control everything because someone might do something wrong some indeterminate time in the future?
And you're a dumb fucking faggot that doesn't know how to read.
>>133530983
>>133530983
>>133530983
THEY DID DO SOMETHING WRONG; THAT'S WHY IT WAS PUT INTO EFFECT.

>>133531454
>NN has been in effect for 2 years
>still hasn't explained what the government has done to censor
we're done here.

Half of you retards in the thread >>133526936
don't even know that NN has been in effect for 2 YEARS.

>>133531573
Didn't read. You're a stupid kike.

>>133524188
Net neutrality is not going away, just like patriotism wasn't going away if the PATRIOT act didn't get passed.

>>133531641
no instead we need to give all that power to people with even less checks and accountability
get real

>>133531573
>How do ISPs profit from randomly blocking content?


See: The Comcast shake-down of Netflix in 2014. Netflix was coaxed into paying Comcast hard cash.

>>133531701
Yes, they did it so much before Net Neutrality!

I'm willing too sign away rights, based on unlikely what ifs!

>>133531573
>How do ISPs profit from randomly blocking content? That's just shooting themselves in the foot because they'll get tons of bad press and lose customers.
and what are those customers gonna do when their only other choice is no internet?

net neutrality already exists and the internet is fine why do you want to change that?

>>133531628
What a lot of NN pro people dont realize, and Im sure its because most of them are from not-america, is that america is huge, and it costs a lot of money to keep each datacenter maintained in every area. Thats why a lot of the big companies only support major cities because it's expensive to have to support a network as big as the US. The cable companies would love to lessen as much customer support as possible when the internet goes down, and this is the first step to putting some restraints on an age-old problem.

>>133531633
They can't invest in it because they are spending too much money fixing the shit caused by high bandwidth sites.

>>133531833
>Yes, they did it so much before Net Neutrality!
netflix you retard

we're not gonna side with you faggots after all the shit comcast has personally given me.

if you retards had thought ahead you would have won this but too bad.

>>133531520
They can try, but they don't because they know that it hurts their business more than helps. They want people watching so they can share it with others who share it with others. Eventually one of those people doesn't have an adblocker. Same reason why Microsoft doesn't try too hard against people pirating Windows. They know it's better in the long-term to have people trapped on their platform. They are companies that actually have to compete, unlike ISPs.

>>133531596
>how to convince conservatives to advocate against their own interests (net neutrality in this case)
>attach it to snarl words like communism whether it makes sense or not

Shoo shill shoo.

>>133529609
The FCC chair head is against net neutrality, I want examples of net neutrality specifically being used abusively.
The FCC is not granted power BY net neutrality, it created laws FOR net neutrality, and is now considering repealing them.
>>133529621
wow nice assumption ya got there.
Of course I'm against corporate censorship (i.e. the stuff from the election cycle), but that's not net neutrality you idiot.

That's just a completely unrelated issue, and I'm with you in regards to that issue, as well as the media propaganda, but that will not change in the slightest if net neutrality is repealed.

Corporations and government officials conspiring together for political gain is how the government censors, not net neutrality.

>>133531883
>They can't invest in it because they are spending too much money fixing the shit caused by high bandwidth sites.

Because they wasted their several billion dollar Government funds on complete garbage instead of improving their hardware.

>>133520079
Internet is fine as is, fuck off! This is my statement
Every single time someone tries to touch Internet is to censor it or support political agenda.
Fuck off off Internet!

>>133531741
>a company should totally give special privileges and spend billions of dollars on a single company that not only supports their business, but absolutely makes them spend even more money trying to maintain all the traffic

go take a networking course

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What if the Internet archive is affected?

>>133531573
a) The internet is a market place by itself, neutrality must be ensured else we lose this market.
b) ISP's are natural monopolies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly). Gov intervention is required for pretty much all of them.

Losing net neutrality is like your water utility being shut off because they don't want you to cook soup anymore.

>>133531573
>I see zero chance of ISPs randomly banning websites, that's just dem propaganda.
when content is no longer neutral, one (maybe the ONLY downside) for the ISPs is, they can no longer claim immunity from what they are transporting. And exactly how much of a leap from there to banning 'troublesome' websites do you really think thats gonna be, you fucking retard? Its already started, try getting a torrent site on a main UK ISP, etc.

>>133531811
>>133531871
Holy fuck, get a real argument or address my points.

Why is censorship by pro-NN companies okay with you, unless you're shills/commies?

>>133531831
Netflix wasn't random.

>>133531486
AT and T has finally brought fiber to my area, and every time I see those comcast kikes in my complex, I openly mock how they are going to be out on on their ass in Indianapolis.

>MUH STREAMING SERVICES
Would literally be a non issue if companies actually made an attempt to improve their shit. Fucking most of Europe has fiber while I still had 18 down shit for a year.

>>133531811
>I haven't seen the effect in 2 years, therefore it's okay

I sure love me some Federal bank, Immigration act of 1965, and those cheap house interest rates of the 90s and early 2000s!

You're a fucking idiot

>>133529406
SHILL SHILL. KEEP USING THAT WORD, MAYBE IT'LL WORK ONE DAY. MEANWHILE I'M JUST IMPRESSED WITH HOW MUCH YOU'VE BEEN POSTING IN THIS THREAD WITHOUT MAKING A SINGLE ARGUMENT. DON'T YOU HAVE ANY QUALITY GUIDELINES?

>>133531831
Why do we fucking care about netflix being shookdown?

>>133530832
ISP's want to price customers like airlines. Where businessclass/first pay for pretty much everything and the consumer essentially is a free ride. As it stands right now, it's as if business class/first class tickets were cheaper than coach. With my ISP it's $100 for a business line (With all the perks of it being registered as a business line, I can sell internet access to my neighbors like an internet cafe) While the equivalent home line is like $80 (And since it isn't a registered business line, there are no additional perks). I enjoy making a couple hundred bucks in literally free money every month selling internet access in my apartment, but this is literally abusing the system.

>>133531596
3rd time you've posted it in this thread.

We have IDs retard.

>>133531537
Tell me about it, it would be like people complaining about our Government funded Ofcom branch.

>HOW DARE THEY ENFORCE AT LEAST 3 ISPS AT ALL TIMES FOR CONSUMER CHOICE AND COMPETITION, IT'S ABSURD
>HOW DARE THEY ALLOW CONSUMERS TO LEAVE THEIR CONTRACTS WITH NO CHARGES IF THE ISP DOESN'T PROVIDE ADEQUATE SERVICE

It's fucking mad, there's no other word for it. You're arguing for the removal of a system that only exists to protect YOU.

nothing good can cone from losing net neutrality, why don't people understand that?

>>133531945
stop defending netflix like a shill

>>133528223
So it is giving that power to the government then.

>>133531402
People can't wrap their heads around this. The shilling is insanity. Net Neutrality directly contributed to Trump being elected. Pol exposed shenanigans going on by every major organization that shills for Hillary, from CNN to YouTube to Fox to all the Wikileaks reveals being nicely packaged in memes to spread to normies who won't read ten thousand emails to catch a few juicy details. It wasn't so much that POL shipped FOR Trump, it was that POL exposed every little mistake they made. Pol, a collective of people who just wanted the truth and no credit, foiled a billion dollar campaign and the hundreds of millions of dollars the media and globalist spent on her. Pol did that. The only reason they couldn't shut us up was Net Neutrality. This is getting to be a bit fucking deal. They're trying to snip our balls off.

>>133531992
>I want examples of net neutrality specifically being used abusively.
Google and Netflix are your greatest abuse cases.

>>133531573

>they'll get tons of bad press and lose customers

They already get tons of bad press and they don't lose any customers because there is little or no choice.

I don't have hundreds of ISPs to choose from, I'm lucky to have a handful at most. And if they have similar or shared interests then I'm fucked.

>>133531968
It's true tho
Supporting net neutrality is literally supporting communism itself. Just fucking let capitalists have their way and make this world a better place.

>>133531833
>before Net Neutrality

The net has always been neutral. It only became necessary to enshrine it in law a few years ago because the cable companies were about to start violating the principle the internet has run on since its creation.

>>133520079
I spend a lot of time on the internet so I was super mad at this shit but at the same time I'm 100% sure that internet is destroying humanity by making things too easy and nullifying our need to thrive, like with porn or super search results
So in a way I think that humankind would go back to much harder but happier times with the internet and eventually people will stop caring about it. I'm starting to feel that we're not the future, but just a small parenthesis of crazy freedom people will study in the future

>>133531883
>They can't invest in it because they are spending too much money fixing the shit caused by high bandwidth sites.

>time warner reported third-quarter earnings of $1.83 per share on revenue of $7.2 billion
>makes 7 billion in 3 months
>can't use some of that to upgrade hardware
Yeah right

>>133531945
Holy shit, it's like trained monkeys, just repeating the same lie.

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